Obama To Be Given Right To Shut Down Internet?

Submitted by: Fancys_Asst 7 years ago in
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287695/Obama-given-right-shut-internet-kill-switch.html

Obama will be given the power to shut down the Internet with a "kill switch" in a new law being proposed in the US. WTF?
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Male 422
That would just be stupid...shutting down the US market (which relies on the internet) would just be worse than...oh i don`t know...leaving a helpful serivce up and running?
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Male 111
America can read, yes? Obama has nothing to do with this bill, Lieberman does.
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Male 207
"...On the 4th day he took over healthcare. On the 5th day he took over the auto industry. On the 6th day he took over the internet. On the 7th day he rested."
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Male 312
Dictatorship and Communism mixed with a little Democracy for flavor.
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Male 102
Oh...BTW, just another reason to start possibly using Tor
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Male 102
"Big Brother will do as they please."
Big Brother is bs, people -.-

"any company ... that also `relies on` the Internet, the telephone system, or any other component of the U.S. `information infrastructure` would be subject to command by a new National Centre for Cybersecurity and Communications (NCCC)"
So...The way I read it...They must mean every single company in the United States, right? Even if it WAS possible, shutting down that many companies would drat up the nation more than any terrorist attack, short of nuclear attacks.
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Male 516
Hahaha... haha... ha... shut down the internet... Oh, that`s a good one.
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Male 1,451
People don`t really understand how the internet works. It`s not one box somewhere that everyone accesses.
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Male 177
"OH HELL NAW!!!"

My thoughts exactly.
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Female 2,927
OH HELL NAW!!!
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Male 2,690
Stupidest law proposed in his presidency thus far.
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Male 52
DAMN YOU LIEBERMAN!
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Male 2,121
Lol, Daily Mail sensationalising stuff again...

Okay, if this really did happen then companies like Google would move away from America. The "kill switch" would still stop most Americans from accessing the internet, but the rest of the world would carry on like normal.

Also, a cyber attack would cripple America? How much worse could it be than shutting down the net? You`d just end up doing the terrorist`s DOSing for them.
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Male 6,693
Big Brother will do as they please.
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Male 774
davymid

More than anything. ^o^
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Male 336
Haha, wow we are drated up now. It`s about time for a revolution methinks.
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Male 7,378
What right have you lost under Obama TKD_Master? I bet you can`t name 1. Just another Limbaugh lovin douche that cries because his party isn`t in charge. Waahh waaahh! Deal with it crybaby.
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Male 2,159
This is a joke. You`re all believing the Daily Mail? You may as well believe The Onion. I actually thought it was an Onion article for quite a while...
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Male 798
@Curlyback:

Learn2read
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Male 7
"wait..i forgot...we Americans don`t really have many rights left. This is about as good as taking away `freedom of the presses`."

I agree. The internet is our last stand (if any) of freedom of speech and media... Nothing left after this except word of mouth.
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Male 4,793
"constitutionally take my rights away and throw me in prison for `being a terrorist`"

wait..i forgot...we Americans don`t really have many rights left. This is about as good as taking away `freedom of the presses`.
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Male 4,793
God I want to say something about Obama `accidentally` dying right now, but I don`t want the presidential goon-squad to come and somehow constitutionally take my rights away and throw me in prison for `being a terrorist`
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Male 7
"The article keeps talking about how this is to protect "Cyber security" yet in the same breadth say that the access would be cut from Google, Yahoo, and YouTube. So my question is, what does Google, Yahoo, and YouTube have to do with "Cyber Security"? Did No one think to ask this?"

Look who these companies own and how much traffic goes through these sites everyday. Google, Yahoo and Youtube MAKES America (not to mention a lot more major companies). So to have a tighter grip on our freedoms, they take hold of the bigger men first. Oh, and not to mention if an "emergency" did happen, how easy it would be to manipulate those sites when you control them 100%... Scary.
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Male 1,116
"!?!?!? The internet is global thing, why should the US get to control it?? You`re only one country!! Think about the rest of the world for once goddamn it!! You can`t have control of everything! AAAAHH this is why people hate your arrogant country...."

Calm down dude. It would only give him the power to shut down the internet in the US, not the whole fu*king WORLD. and i agree with belunan about learning to seperate the citizens of the U.S from our non-nice individual politicians and policies. Well said.
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Male 12,138
Goalie, and everyone else, click on Salted`s link below my post. Might explain a bit why they`d try to put a crock on Obama. Satirical comedy based on facts is always better than cold representation of facts. Salted did it much better that I was ever trying to do.

*takes Salted quietly by the shoulder to one side, and asks him if he wants a job*
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Male 1,505
"!?!?!? The internet is global thing, why should the US get to control it?? You`re only one country!! Think about the rest of the world for once goddamn it!! You can`t have control of everything! AAAAHH this is why people hate your arrogant country...."

No, people hate our country because they don`t understand that our politicians get elected on promises of doing what the people want only to break those promises and piss off the whole planet. When you think of the US, learn to separate the US people from the US government and try to remember that our government does whatever the hell it wants in spite of the people`s wishes. Case in point from the article:

"the US Government would effectively seize control of access to the internet"

Do you really believe the people of the US back this? Use your brain.
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Male 774
The article keeps talking about how this is to protect "Cyber security" yet in the same breadth say that the access would be cut from Google, Yahoo, and YouTube. So my question is, what does Google, Yahoo, and YouTube have to do with "Cyber Security"? Did No one think to ask this?

Also, this must be true because I read it in the daily mail.
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Male 12,138
vv Yeah GJ, this article is deliberately misleading in its wording... I must apologise on behalf of certain sections of the British media. The Daily Mail is a right-wing tabloid newspaper. It`s renowned for it`s rabble-rousing on conservative issues such as fearmongering about immigration control (we`re being over-run by dirty foreigners who are stealing all our jobs!), they staunchly support the British Conservative Party, ran the disturbing headline a while back of ""Abortion hope after `gay genes` finding", and even incurred a record number of complaints to the Press Complaints Commission on charges of homophobia in October. Historically, back in WWII days, they even ran a headline "HURRAH FOR THE BLACKSHIRTS!" (Fascist paramilitary groups in Italy at the time), and also referred to Hitler`s "sturdy young Nazis". THAT tells you a little bit about how right-wing it is.

Thought the media context might be useful here.
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Female 55
I`d like to point out that Dailymail.co.uk aka Mail online which is kinda comparable to an online supermarket tabloid.
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Male 4,014
BTW CurlyJoe - is that a deepfried hotdog-on-a-stick in your profile pic? Because that, sir, is the stuff of positive international relations!
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Male 4,014
"AAAAHH this is why people hate your arrogant country...."

Is it that, or is it ignorance of our political system? Also, do they not speak English in Australia? What I mean is this line from the Article:

"While the US Government would not be able to control the internet in other countries..."

Did you read the article before saying you hate America?

Now perhaps foreigners don`t understand our Bicameral system very well, which is understandable. (Parliamentary system is just as foreign to us).

Over here, any Senator or Representative can propose a "bill," which is a proposed law, on really anything they want. Happens all the time - tons of bills are proposed, a huge majority of which don`t go anywhere.

So ONE Senator Liberman proposed this bill - thats IT. Its not a law, its not going anywhere, it has zero chance of ever making it out of committee.

But I`m stupid, this is IAB, I expect too much
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Male 222
!?!?!? The internet is global thing, why should the US get to control it?? You`re only one country!! Think about the rest of the world for once goddamn it!! You can`t have control of everything! AAAAHH this is why people hate your arrogant country....
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Male 4,014
FUN FACTS -

The U.S. Navy has more nuclear powered submarines (57) than the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED!

The U.S. Army National Guard is itself larger than ALL of the French Armed Forces (all branches).

We spend more $$$ on Ammunition than the entire defense budgets of Bahrain, Lebanon, and El Salvador combined.

Our defense Budget is $696,268,000,000 (in 2008), the largest in the entire world, and is more than the next 15 (or so) countries spend on defense combined.

Thanks Taxes! Thanks Democrats and Republicans, as it was BOTH of you who are responsible for our current global military dominance! USA! USA!
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Male 649
This is old news, I read about this shortly after he took office
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Male 325
read the comments at the bottom of it. He didnt ask for that power. Lieberman did.
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Male 4,014
BTW - it deserves repeating - OBAMA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL. Nothing. This title needlessly links this to Obama, clearly baiting the righties on here.

Obama has Nothing to do with it. Didn`t write it, didn`t propose it, nothing to do with it.
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Male 4,014
"Obama can`t be trusted with a golf club let alone an internet kill switch."

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, and they are all full of $hit.

Having read the fear and paranoia that grips many on the right, I just don`t understand what people are so afraid of. I mean, Democrats have run this country (successfully) for 100+ years - a Democratic President won WWII - Republicans have run the country well also.

People get so hyperbolic about losing "our country," when that country was BUILT by people using the very ideologies people like CrakrJak now decry.

The right has worked itself into a froth and somehow convinced itself that Democrats are not just a political party they disagree with, but actually and actively are ENEMIES of the American people (ignoring all too convieniently that they were ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.)

CrakrJak - I`ll see you in the secret dissident concentration camps Obama setup.
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Male 294
He doesn`t have the power yet, and I doubt he`ll ever get, and normally I would say it wouldn`t hold in court, but the Roberts` court is the most horrible court ever seen when it comes to securing citizen liberties.

It`s a stupid idea, especially when, in the event of a cyber attack, the affected parties can just shut down their services on THEIR side. It`s a wire, it can be unplugged, there is no need to force someone to take action against their will.
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Female 1,589
Well that`s just bull. Why should the president of the US be the one to decide when it is needed for the internet to be shut down? Unless I didn`t read enough of it, and only internet access to the US is the one being shut off. But if not, then I think all of the world`s leaders should be able to do this as well.
The United States does not control the world, no matter how much of an ego they have, kthanx.
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Male 311
lol so.. Obama wants to have control of the internet for the US..wut?
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Male 10,855
What kill switch would`ve stopped that leak madest?
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Male 10,855
I understand the threat this switch is designed to address, but this is not the way to do it. There, however, are much better and discrete countermeasures we can employ rather than just shutting off the internet.
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Male 955
oh please, the right winged sheep in this post are hilarious, keep it up, how about you research this, before you keep going out and saying this is Obama`s doing. This is nothing like the Patriot Act that allowed the President, Bush at the time, to wiretap and invade your privacy left and right without your knowledge and without a warrant. Even if this bill gets passed you people act like Obama is going to hit the button all the time, which is far from how the Patriot Act was implemented
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Female 317
i wish people would stop posting from the daily mail.
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Male 2,004
correct me if i`m wrong... but hasn`t something similar been posted before?
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Male 55
Also, how will we know that the internet`s been hacked (is it even possible to hack the whole internet?) if he turns it off? Should we just accept his word for it?

WAKE UP, PEOPLE. TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
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Female 21
1. This would not happen.
2. If it did (in neverland) Obama would never use it. He is not a fascist ass-hole.
3. Joe Lieberman is the one who proposed this, soooo, are we really that surprised?
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Male 55
I mean, anyone watching the news could`ve seen this coming. Anyone notice how, right after the health care bill was "passed" (i.e. pushed through congress and the house "for our own good") and people started questioning it, suddenly our idiot president was all about nuclear disarmament? Also, anyone notice that schools have been closing at an alarming rate in this country? And, when asked why, we are always met with the answer "funding reappropriation"?

This whole administration exists for the sole purpose of the disarming of and eventual control and enslavement of the American people by the corporate regime, headed by the puppet we so idiotically elected.

Great job, America.
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Male 7,378
Whats there to trust? If he uses his new found power there would be such a national outcry, he`d have it back on in no time. I don`t see this as a threat to anybodies freedom. Nor is it a threat to anybodies rights. As BP has shown us, a kill switch may come in useful someday.
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Male 30
this is disgusting. the end is nigh.
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Male 12,138
lol @ Winter - like your style!
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Male 322
stop big brother!
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Male 716
I would secede.
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Male 976
"Obama can`t be trusted with a gulf coast let alone an internet kill switch."

Fixed it CrakrJak.
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Female 2,289
OH NOESS
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Male 321
hell yeah bloodwrage!!
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak
I wouldn`t trust ANY president with this power.
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Male 17,511
Obama can`t be trusted with a golf club let alone an internet kill switch.
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Male 5,189
My Porn!

..I mean internet Nooo! lol
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Female 735
thats poo.
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Male 877
...imagnie if you said this 3, 4 yrs ago...why you`d be branded a `conspirisy theorist` and laughed at?...
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Male 152
Lieberman tried to ban Cannibal Corpse. He deserves to be tortured by Corpsegrinder.
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Male 3,482
If they`re so terrified of an attack on US government properties and/or major economy spots, then have a killswitch to stop outside communication towards those locations...

I`m not normally a conspiracy nut or anything, but THIS I will admit to being a bunch of BS that`s just meant to give the govt. more control...
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Male 7,378
@AJ, Lieberman is late 60`s? Early 70`s and you trust his knowledge on technical issues such as these? You do remember Ted Stevens calling the internet a "series of tubes" don`t you? Joe doesn`t have the expertise to know factually what he`s talking about. I wouldn`t be surprised if he couldn`t check e-mail.
@Skine you are right. There`s nothing worse than a politician more concerned with keeping his job than the principles he stands for.
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Male 756
if it does i would just like to say this: its been a pleasure knowing all of you, peace my homeslices.
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Male 719
The one saving grace about Al Gore not being elected president is that Joe Lieberman wasn`t elected VP.

The guy is simply a douche who paints himself a Dem in order to get votes.
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Male 180
P.S. The Republicans who were kicked out of the House & Senate weren`t conservatives either - they voted for every pile of debt and gov`t control that came through because of party loyalty. Which is why they got voted out. So, to say "tea partiers" didn`t object isn`t wholly correct.
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Male 180
The Republican party lost the house and senate in 2002, so "10 years of Republican congress" is incorrect. Bush was no conservative, although he made enough "conservative" moves early on to placate and silence libertarians and constitutional conservatives. By the banker bailout of 2008, they were finally done with him. Besides, the alternatives were worse (just like in `08).

There is legislation to give the U.S. executive branch with direct control over the internet. It is now law that the executive branch will have control over our lifestyle choices (health care). B.O. will push "climate change" legislation, which will give executive control over what we drive & live in.

And yes, they can do that. They`ve been doing it. We`re heading into a dictatorship, but no one cares as long as there`s cheap food, electronic gadgets, and abortions.
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Male 1,231
1st of all, this link leads to the daily mail website (MeinKampf.com), They scaremonger and gossip- that is all.
Secondly, the internet exists all over the world- The law would mean no traffic within america, but no one man would ba able to have the power to stop world wide traffic- that would be largely impossible- Not sure the UN would agree on that...
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Male 8,300
Oh great, so whenever Michelle gets all testy from that time on month, Obama can kill ALL our sex lives???
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Male 1,625
Never gonna happen. Its an infringment of the freedom of information act. We`re not korea or china, its not gonna happen.
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Male 85
"...didn`t this happen in China? You know...a COMMUNIST country?" China is no longer communist they use the the idia of marxism to passify the masses and create and ecuse for toliterinsim.
And weather they ever were is up to debte.
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Female 448
...didn`t this happen in China? You know...a COMMUNIST country?
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Male 1,403
It must be true `cause I read it in the Daily Mail...
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Male 12
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Ben Franklin
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Male 85
I whould not use the mail to wipe my ass.
They supportes Hitler befor the war you know.
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Male 378
This has been rolling around the internet for several years. Obama was singled out recently as the one with the kill switch. Before him, it just said president or talked about the creation of an internet czar. I think snopes did an article about it.
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Male 48
Non- Americans: Help me out. Is this a Rupert Murdoch paper? I saw the same story on Fox news (parodied on Jon Stewart last night).
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

Just a little tired of being singled out for everything Bush did.
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Male 914
big brother keeps on getting bigger
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Male 4,014
" pro marijuana"

I think the country should rally behind THAT
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Male 4,014
AJ - I know, I`m generalizing here.
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Male 4,014
I`m just amused that "conservatives" and the "tea party" finally stood up for their "conservative" principles - oh boy howdy are the pissed off! - BUT only AFTER Democrats took power.

10 Years of Republican Congress, 8 Years of Bush - But only NOW do they speak up! And they are so mad we don`t believe their "conservative principles" are genuine, when they only time they stand up for them is when Obama is in office.
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Male 122
I read this through a CNN report yesterday. Does that do anything for it`s credibility?
Either way get your head out of your arses people. This link wasn`t meant to spark a flame war between the left and right. It was made to make you aware.
This bill, if passed, would give the president power to kill the internet, our main source of information and communication now. Can you imagine the potential for abuse of this power. Even if Obama doesn`t abuse it, who`s to say that the next president won`t, or the next one, or the one after that?
The internet has given the power back to the people to get real information in a quick manner.
Joe Lieberman justifies his bill by saying that China can do it, we should be able to to. China! A country known for it`s lack of free speech.
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Male 10,338
I didn`t vote for Bush either time BTW.

Gore first, Kerry second.

Two wasted votes I know.
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Male 10,338
Look man. I am not "conservative" per se.

I am a FISCALLY conservative Libertarian.

Don`t argue with me just for the sake of it.

I am:

Pro Choice, Pro gay rights, pro marijuana, etc.

Just because I have some conservative beliefs, doesn`t mean I`m a card carrying member of the GOP.
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Male 4,014
"Bush`s "patriot act" was not conservative. He was a moderate and you know it."

Oh, thats right, I forgot that the deafening sound of "conservatives" protesting government intrusion into people`s private lives was drown out by the clicks of them VOTING FOR IT.

Just like the screams of protests from Conservatives over ballooning government spending under Bush were drown out by the sounds of them GLEEFULLY VOTING FOR HIM A SECOND TIME.
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

Bush`s "patriot act" was not conservative. He was a moderate and you know it.

The GOP in the senate and house voted on it according to party lines. That`s exactly why they won`t win re-election either.
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Female 525
Learn to read the article folks--Joe Lieberman is the one who created the bill and the bill has not even been passed yet. Obama hasn`t approved it. I have a feeling he will actually veto the bill.
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Male 106
@goaliejerry
Fair enough, I think everyone with half a brain hates Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
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Male 10,338
My question is this.

Whether or not it`s a good idea, am I going to have to keep paying my internet bill if it is shut off?

I mean, they still charge you for power if the electricity is out. Still charge you for cable if it is out.

That may be my biggest complaint lol.
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Male 15,510
Meh, that law will not pass anyways
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Male 4,014
"valued the goals toward which those measures worked."

Ahh yes, the old "I`m afraid so lets throw our constitution out the window to spy on Americans. Because it they aren`t doing anything wrong they have nothing to hide."

Conservative "principles" at work.
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Male 4,014
"Being a douchebag isn`t solely the domain of conservatives."

No, thats true, but to clarify, I was more thinking of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, et. al. They are, in fact, giant douchebags.

I wasn`t calling AJ a douche, but I see now it may have looked that way.
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Female 13
jamie,

I did support all of those bills- not ONLY because they were republican proposals but because I do possess a free-thinking brain and decided that I valued the goals toward which those measures worked.

It would be completely unfair to accuse all republicans of supporting conservative legislation SIMPLY because they happened to be drafted by the Republican party. But, since you seem to be doing that, might I bring up a few similar patterns observed by democrats? How would you feel if I stated the only reason Obama was elected was because of his image and party label? Now, just because you don`t see any logic or positive aspects of those measures you brought does not mean that they are completely ludicrous and that others have no logical reason for supporting them other than party line. both sides of the political spectrum, however, of guilty doing just what you accused me of doing.
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Male 1,370
There will be RIOTS if he shuts off the internet.
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Male 637
"further proof that democrats do not know what is best for us (despite what they may tell us...)

and silly me, thinking that my days of being told to get off the internet and do something useful by my parents were over when I graduate high school... 2010 can`t come too soon."

This is only proof of one man with a badly formed idea. Political party is irrelevant, as both sides have had pretty silly ideas, and both sides have formerly been effective at some point or another. But there`s no use in stopping a party-war. Seems to be all that it ends up being when a political issue comes up. Regardless, the article was weird. Why shut down the whole national system instead of shutting down the probable targets?
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Male 2,229
The workings of a totalitarian take over playing out in the open, just like the 1930`s, Germany. But instead of some elected charisma type taking over, it`ll be a military general, backed by the military industrial complex that`ll take over. And the great Imperial Republic of the United States is going to allow it to come to pass. Or worst yet WANT it to happen. The very democracy that the people hold dear has been gutted since the beginning of this century, and one of the biggest violators of it owe laws and international law. The citizens of the US have been slowly numbed to the lose of their liberty, in the name of "security". Soon, very soon, you`ll have neither...
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Male 203
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy... The loss of Liberty at home, is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad."
~James Madison~
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Male 106
@AbiElectric
I think the confusion here is that in this case "Pull the plug on the internet" means "force U.S. internet service providers to stop providing service to U.S. residents".
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Male 2,344
wtdog,

I am sure you protested just as loudly about the creation of homeland security, the patriot act, national letters and warrentless wiretapping right...

no of ccourse you didnt cus that was YOUR party and anything they do is good right...right...moron
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Male 114
This "hot button internet kill switch" is simply to get all ISPs (ATT, Comcast, Sprint, etc) to shut off their gateways. All local intranets will continue to function, just the public connections will be turned off.

This action is already in place with major companies that get hacked or hit with DoS (denial of service) attacks. It`s not as enormous as everyone thinks it is.

If the DoJ or HSA was hacked and all documents were moving throughout the internet, I`d think that`s something that would need to be halted in a hurry.

Anyway, I`m seeing some good arguments on both sides yet I`m still feeling there could be a need for it.
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Male 2,344
vikingguy, I am sure being stupid is tough and all but please do try and understand...

this proposal is about shutting down the internet in the US not the world you mor-tard (that`s when you are so moronic you become a retard).

oh and umm, you`re not a viking simply because you are from Norway assclown...
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Female 171
auburnjunky, I guess you also don`t realise that the US isn`t the only country that uses the internet? Why should he be able to pull the plug on the internet in a NATIONAL emergency.

I`m pretty sure that that was what vikingguy wanted to say and you just basically proved his point.
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Female 13
further proof that democrats do not know what is best for us (despite what they may tell us...)

and silly me, thinking that my days of being told to get off the internet and do something useful by my parents were over when I graduate high school... 2010 can`t come too soon.
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Male 10,338
I would hate it if we "loss billions of dollar".
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Male 3,076
He`s going to butt drat the US economy if he makes the " switch" and they will loss billions of dollar, USA USA USA -.-
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Male 397
Yeah cuz when the enemy can`t use google, they`re drated.
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Male 10,338
"It would piss off the voters and they would never get re-elected."

*cough*healthcare bill*cough*
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Male 10,338
What`s that have to do with this vikinguy?
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Male 486
1. This is from the Daily Mail, which is one of the most unreliable news sources available. Half of their articles are complete BS.

2. It`s just being proposed - that doesn`t mean it`s going to pass. Trust me, most Congress members would never vote for this. It would piss off the voters and they would never get re-elected.
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Male 2,160
once again the US forgetting its on earth and not the other way around...
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Male 10,338
I also believe gays should have the right to be married, but I hate gays don`t I?
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Male 10,338
Thank you buscompany.

Now they will go after you lol.
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Male 106
I totally disagree with auburnjunky`s belief that seeking more control is solely the domain of liberals, but it`s not like he was exactly rude about it. I don`t get why everytime someone says that they`re conservative people have to accuse them of hating gays and being "frickin douchebags". Being a douchebag isn`t solely the domain of conservatives.
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Male 114
None-the-less, nobody (accept Al-Queda) had a clue that passenger planes could be used as missiles because of 9/11...in fact, passengers were told to abide by the terrorists` requests prior to that date. Today? We all think differently and wish we had that mentality on that day.

Having a "shut off switch" in place to me continues to make sense. I don`t look at it as an abuse (yet), however, if this is only the beginning of incremental controls then I could see this as a lapse in judgement. (we see this every day with Big Brother)

I`m still onside with it though...regardless that Lieberman is fronting this. Hindsite is always best 20/20.

I`ll also say that it may not be something that would get passed anyway. There`s an overwhelming majority that is against this bill (publicly).
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Male 12,138
Well, since Al Gore invented it, it seems only fair that Barry should have the right to shut it down at any time.
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Male 10,338
I think it means US access.
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Male 697
correct me if im wrong but if im in the UK and he `kills the internet` could i not still access UK servers with my UK isp?
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Male 10,338
That movie, "Speech From Lieberman". Have you seen it?
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Male 7,378
Oh really AJ? What movie did you get that from?
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Male 10,338
@volsunga:

I think if they do this, it needs to be segmented.

If there was an attack on our economy over the internet, they could crush it in 1 second and we would be none the wiser. It would take years to recover from.
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Male 10,338
What I do disagree with, is him focusing on alternate energy, rather than focusing on capping the spill.

MSNBC themselves raked him over the coals for that one. Remember his oval office speech?
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Male 10,338
Goaliejerry, I haven`t said a word about any of that. What`s Obama gonna do, get out there and clean it up himself?

He`s doing all he can about the spill.
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Male 1,547
What sort of national emergency would require "killing" the internet? The United States has more servers than any other country. You`d have to successfully ddos them all to hurt the infrastructure. There simply is not enough computing power to do so. Other forms of "cyber attacks" would be nothing more than stealing important peoples` passwords and gaining access to "secure" systems. In the latter case, you only need to shut down the local network while you isolate the breach and change passwords. There is no possible reason to "Shut down the internet". Also, this is Lieberman, not Obama pushing this.
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Male 114
I am completely missing the mark on this by everyone`s negative response? To what degree of this "kill switch" are you thinking of? If the next 9/11 is performed using the cyber highways, wouldn`t you want that "kill switch" in place?

Educate me, please!
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Male 4,014
AJ - your forthright certitude at times makes me think you`re a complete troll, because I have a hard time believing a reasonable mind can string together so much inconsistent drivel.

But then I look at the GOP crying about Obama "taking over our lives," then crying about Obama NOT DOING ENOUGH about the oil spill, THEN CRYING ABOUT OBAMA CONVINCING BP TO PONY UP $20 Billion as a "shakedown" - WHEN THEY WERE JUST F*CKING CRYING THAT HE WASn`T DOING ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!#@[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]!!!!!!!!

The American right talks a lot of illogical BS, but what it all boils down to is they seek power, thats it, consistency doesn`t matter, just winning power back by any means necessary.

So no matter what Obama does, its wrong, EVEN IF THEY PREVIOUSLY AGREED WITH IT.
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Male 10,338
I love politics in America.

"You don`t believe in what I say?! I`ll call you names, and you don`t get to play on the see saw!"
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Male 4,014
"Also, since when was "liberal" an insult?"

Oh man, you have no idea the fricken douchebags we have on the right in America....no idea
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Male 10,338
"started Gitmo"

Really? Bush opened Guantanamo Bay?

I hated Bush, so don`t use his stupid ass against me. He was just as progressive as Obama, AND LIEberman.
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Male 4,014
Yeah - "control" - but conservatives don`t want "control," do they? Oh they`re fine telling Mr. Schiavo that he cannot pull the plug on his brain-dead wife because GOD says its bad for some reason, or telling homosexuals that their lifestyle is unnatural and undeserving of protection against discrimination, or warrantlessly wiretapping America citizens in violation of the constitution, or seeking the right to demand US citizens produce "papers" upon request of law enforcement again in violation of the constitution...

Oh, but of course, its only liberals who want "control." *sigh*

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Male 6,737
Also, since when was "liberal" an insult?
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Male 4,807


Awesome... Finally the US of A will have more power !!
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Male 6,737
"The Daily Mail? Seriously? I`d sooner take the word of a crazy homeless guy that smells like peppermint schnapps and urine."

It amuses me that even some US citizens know of the Daily Mail`s repute. I wouldn`t believe it until I see it in a more credible form.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Liberal.

Lieberman wants what every other progressive wants (including Barry), control.[/quote]
Yeah, auburnjunky. Because Bush never wanted more control, oh golly no.

Get your empty head out of your ass, please. Well, unless you want us to continue to make fun of you.
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Male 2,344
auburnjunky,

you really need to read some recent history before blaming liberals for wanting control sparky.

first off, liberman is NOT a liberal, he is considered a moderate WHO IS VERY PRO-IRAQ WAR, or did you miss his whole fall out with the democratic party?

secondly, it was BUSH et al that started the patriot act, homeland security, national letters (that give the president total power) and started Gitmo (where there are no rights at all of anyone kept there) and used WARRANTLESS WIRE TAPPING...

so, you may just want to back away from that high horse now that you can plainly see that the republicans start the power grab in the worse way possible...oh I know, you can justify all those things I`m sure, but bottom line is the repubs tried to take total control and barely failed while bush was in office.
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Male 25,416
Well i guess IAB will be no more now!
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Male 2,344
I hate journalist...this law isn`t about giving OBAMA that power, it is about giving whatever PRESIDENT is in power that ability.

it is BS to be sure and it was proposed by former presidential candidate Joe Liebermann

Not Obama

oh and this is a real proposal going into congress at this time.
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Male 10,338
"Lieberman proposed this law"

Liberal.

Lieberman wants what every other progressive wants (including Barry), control.
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Female 3,574
well, I am against that.
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Male 4,014
This is GROSSLY misleading. Lieberman proposed this law - which is laughably ignorant of technical reality.

But sure, go ahead, attribute it to Obama, he`s responsible for EVERYTHING that goes bad, right?
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Male 2,440
The Daily Mail? Seriously? I`d sooner take the word of a crazy homeless guy that smells like peppermint schnapps and urine.
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Male 10,338
Oh hells to tha no!
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Male 167
In case of a national emergency, you`d better have some old Hustler`s around somewhere.
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Female 1,780
Link: Obama To Be Given Right To Shut Down Internet? [Rate Link] - Obama will be given the power to shut down the Internet with a `kill switch` in a new law being proposed in the US. WTF?
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