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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Link: NYers Still Opposed To Ground Zero Mosque - Wait a minute, no one said logic would be introduced into this argument!
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    Miquaight Female 18-29
    129 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Hmm!
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    I say build it. I do think it`s kinda in poor taste to build it there, but at least if we do built it there we will piss off some conservatives, and that`s worth ANYTHING.
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    TheNineXXX Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    Two wrongs don`t make a right!
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Let the debate begging
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Hahaha. Win.
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Fail.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    You know nothing about Islam, do you fancylad?
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    jesseg Male 13-17
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Not funny.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    dax2009.. "You know nothing about Islam, do you fancylad?"

    That`s a pretty vague comment
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    Tidbit Female 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    hmmmm.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    well...this is gonna turn into one big gangfcuk of a flame war.
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    ingrateful Male 13-17
    415 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    Makes so much god damn sense doesnt it?
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    K3vin Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    inb4 poostorm
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    some Americans want the mosque, none of the indains wanted churches...thats the difference in the situations. its not about whats being proposed or where, but rather who is accepting it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    Nah. No flames.

    This cartoon is just too stupid for flames.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Well just one.

    America was never "Indian Land".

    They didn`t believe in land ownership. They didn`t own this.

    Colonists "Settled" here. We never "Conquered" anything.
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    donthaveone Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    "Two wrongs don`t make a right!"

    No but three "LEFTS" do.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    I`m not christian and I think it`s a bad idea. The terrorists were screaming allah akbar just before the planes hit, and now those words will be constantly repeated at the site. It doesn`t take a rocket scientist to see how that would be distasteful to some people, regardless of their religious affiliations.
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Did Daniel Clowes illustrate this? This looks a lot like his work in 20th Century Eightball.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    Gangfcuk flamewar here it comes!

    I`m Native American, so I`ll speak on behalf of my side of the flame. Anyway...drat Islam.
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    addler Male 13-17
    778 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    ahahahaha stupid native americans.... or whatever they like to be called these days

    one day they will learn, if you`re weak you tend not to be able to hold on to land for too long
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
    496 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Why can`t people have any understanding or compassion for victims of 9-11? I understand the desire to promote understanding between faiths, but is building a mosque right across from the WTC- which would offend some 9-11 survivors- really a necessary means to acheive that end? 9-11 survivors have suffered enough already; why do something that unnecessarily compounds their suffering? How about some understanding about what it`s like to experience terrorists ram a plane into your office building? Certainly portraying them as ignorant blowhards, as this cartoon does, is tasteless to say the least.
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    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
    876 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    I wonder if the families of Muslims killed in the 9-11 attacks are also offended...
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    sprinkies Female 18-29
    172 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    as a new yorker. if they open a mosque I will be furious.

    yes, back in the day colonial americans were effing pricks. we know that.

    two wrongs dont make a right.
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    OmgZelda Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    ahahahaha stupid native americans.... or whatever they like to be called these days

    one day they will learn, if you`re weak you tend not to be able to hold on to land for too long

    ---

    When you graduate high school you`re allowed to have an opinion. Until then, leave the interwebz.
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:04 pm
    Matt Bors is a frickin` idiot.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    Here is a clip of the wife of the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Daisy Khan talking with Fox News (I know, shut up) about the intended mosque. In it she says that she views this mosque as a blow to fundamentalist muslims everywhere.....and I wish someone could explain how building a mosque by the buildings they destroyed would be bad for Islamic terrorists.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Brassbull
    Male, 30-39, Southern US
    512 Posts Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:42:43 PM
    I`m not christian and I think it`s a bad idea. The terrorists were screaming allah akbar just before the planes hit, and now those words will be constantly repeated at the site. It doesn`t take a rocket scientist to see how that would be distasteful to some people, regardless of their religious affiliations.



    imagine the humiliation they suffer everyday in iraq and afganistan...remember, the afgans have now been invaded twice...there are american muslims also, as in its theyre country too...by not allowing it arent you telling muslims, all muslims that they can never be accepted as true blue americans?..as was done to blacks and mexicans in the past and some would argue sitll goes on?
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    I didn`t have a problem with it until they were going to open it on 9-11. Obvious trolling is obvious.
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    dudeman1st Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    Yah um, whites had superior tech (guns), biological warfare (smallpox), unlimited supply of invaders from Europe, and betrayed every treaty. AND it took whites *400* years to "conquer" America (1492-1900). You, weak troll, need to open a history book.

    "ahahahaha stupid native americans.... or whatever they like to be called these days one day they will learn, if you`re weak you tend not to be able to hold on to land for too long"
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    Rman1201 Male 18-29
    247 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    I think it would be better to go with the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades as a display of Christian brutality - therefore no churches virtually anywhere.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    SO true
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    no comment!
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    "colonial americans were effing pricks"

    hey, don`t blame this on the americans. the majority of the people who defamed indian (native american) land were europeans who called themselves american. even Thomas Jefferson (who bought the louisiana purchase and sent lewis and clark to california) was born in virginia but it was still english colonies...
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    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    "I wish someone could explain how building a mosque by the buildings they destroyed would be bad for Islamic terrorists. "

    By demonstrating that fundamentalists do not have a monopoly in Islam.

    There are Christian terrorists right here in the U.S.A., from the Klan to the folks who blow up abortion clinics and murder medical staff who perform abortions.

    We could bar Christian churches from "inappropriate" neighborhoods, or

    we could recognize that the terrorists of any faith do not represent anyone other than themselves.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
    678 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    WTC bombing was like soooooo yesterday. Get over it like pearl harbor America. They have great sushi in Hawaii!
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
    496 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Good point aseirinn. Do you think it`d be appropriate to put up a church close to a site associated with Muslim humiliation in Iraq or Afghanistan to promote understanding between our people? Let`s go put up a giant cathedral across the street from Abu Ghraib. What do you think Iraqis would think of that?
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    imagine the humiliation they suffer everyday in iraq and afganistan

    The humiliation that who suffers? Terrorists? They`re not humiliated. In some cases they are aided by friends, relatives, and supporters, and in other cases they scare the natives into submission.

    remember, the afgans have now been invaded twice

    The Afghans were invaded four times, first by Alexander the Great, then the British, then the russians, then us. What is your point here?

    there are american muslims also, as in its theyre country too.

    Woah, I never said they didn`t have a right to build a mosque there, I said it is inappropriate to do so and, to me, shows what little concern they have for other people when praising their god. I`ve heard several explanations for why they are choosing this particular site, and none of them make any sense.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    By demonstrating that fundamentalists do not have a monopoly in Islam.

    You`re assuming that is how they would interpret a mosque being built there. News flash: Radical Islam does not Buy into American Liberal Agenda/Paradigm

    we could recognize that the terrorists of any faith do not represent anyone other than themselves.

    Well until you get everyone to that consensus maybe it would be more diplomatic to build a mosque in a another location that is more acceptable to people who lost friends and family there.
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    Skim Female 13-17
    250 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    I don`t get it lololol
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    "AND it took whites *400* years to "conquer" America (1492-1900)."

    the originally weren`t trying to "conquer" america, they were trading technology and other things until the kings got greedy and wanted the stuff ON/IN the land. when the english wanted the land they `conquered` it in <250 years (1605-1850).

    if you really want to get technical, it took the `whites` MUCH MUCH longer to discover and then conquer america. the Vikings were settled in Greenland and Eastern Canada since the 11th century; so more like 800-900 years
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
    988 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    Iunno about the rest of you, but building a mosque there would be a sign of tolerance and forgiveness, just like the bible teach-
    *sigh*
    Forget I said anything.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    er k. I agree?
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    Fine with me - no churches near Wounded Knee or places like that, either. Sounds like a good idea.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Brassbull
    Male, 30-39, Southern US
    516 Posts Tuesday, June 8, 2010 3:32:01 PM
    By demonstrating that fundamentalists do not have a monopoly in Islam.


    You`re assuming that is how they would interpret a mosque being built there. News flash: Radical Islam does not Buy into American Liberal Agenda/Paradigm


    does anyone actually use this word `paradigm`?...or is it only the pretentious among us...?...i got it when you said `agenda`
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    addler, "ahahahaha stupid native americans.... or whatever they like to be called these days

    one day they will learn, if you`re weak you tend not to be able to hold on to land for too long"

    As a Cherokee, we trusted the whites, gave them food, taught them how to survive in America, and stood our ground for over 400 years, while the whites had superior technology, and still struggled to live in our land. What did we get in return? Disrespect, lies, and treachery. We got our women raped, our land raped, and our culture raped.

    By far, my people are not weak, not have they ever been weak. It is people like you are are weak, both in spirit and mind. I wager you are also physically fragile, and just don`t know it yet.

    Learn to read and write for starters, then maybe you can make an opinion everyone doesn`t think is ignorant.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    How about this though on the Mosque debate:

    As an American, I don`t want to honor the terrorists and dishonor the people who died and suffered by supporting something from their culture. I say no to the Mosque based on that principal, has nothing to do with religion really.

    Build a memorial there. A non-religious building, that states thus: Our fellow Americans died at the hands of terrorists here; we shall not forget.

    By doing this you say to all religions, we will never again tolerate bigotry and hate.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    A mosque there would be a magnet for extremism. If you were a Muslim who hates the USA and wants to destroy it and make a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy, where better to worship than in the place of your greatest triumph over your enemies?

    If they do build a religious building there, it should be combined synagogue, church and mosque. *That* would be a religious symbol of peace. Or even go a stage further and have a general religion building.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    Instead of building churches, mosques and synagogues, why not build community centres?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    WHAT?! So, what it`s drating okay to build a church there, but not a mosque?! As if those few terrorists represent all of Islam? This country is about freedom of religion. It`s a central tenant. You censor that, may as well just censor everything. As such, I say no churches of ANY kind near ground zero. How`s that? Oh, no? We can have churches of all kinds, just no mosques? Idiots. :-(
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    I agree, why do they have to build something religious there? Something that was useful for everyone would be nice ...
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Thank you! The fact that this country was essentially founded on "Divine providence" is insane. The rape and murder of other nations is inexcusable, so before you tell me and my people to go back where we came from, news flash. We were here first.
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Yay, moral relativism is fun!
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    so elkingo...how you doin ;-)
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    i didn`t get it at all
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Aseirinn:..and I got it when you said Brassbull. No need to take up that much space spelling out my sex, age, region, # of posts, etc. Just a name or the quote works fine here.

    I wasn`t sure which word would have worked better; they`re not synonyms, so I went with both. Are you more annoyed by that or because I corrected you on your spelling and history? There is no f*cking way you are 70 years old or more.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1684 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    I still don`t want a mosque there. And the reason I don`t doesn`t even have to do with religion in any way. Its pretty much what elk said. I also think it deserves something better. Like a memorial. But not a mosque (nor any other kind of place of worship)

    Oh. And the fact that they choose to open it on 9/11 just seems pretty insulting to me as well. Out of all the 365 days of the year, why did they pick that one?
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    @Elmustache When were you born? Maybe I was here first! You ever think of that?! J/K

    Seriously though I don`t think it matters who`s ancestors where here first. I didn`t ask to be born here.

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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    @Notthatbored: haha ;) No it really isn`t but tangents are fun arent they?
    It just the ol` "America wasnt founded on islam! rabble, rabble, rabble" arguement. The point is we have to look backwards before we can judge. How many native americans were killed, relocated, exploited, etc for gain? To them, the invading whites were comparable to "terrorists". So to throw around the word so freely with complete disregard for our own sordid past is a gross mistake.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    oh mosque. for some reason i kept reading memorial. i dont know how, but i just did, ok?
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    Agreed. Agreed. People love to say that this country was founded on Christianity and not any other religion. But what does it matter if this country was founded on Christianity, if none of us were alive back then to have a vote in it?! We`re alive and here now and we get a gosh darned vote! :-)

    Although I still dislike the idea of a Mosque being built on ground zero, go figure.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Brassbull
    Male, 30-39, Southern US
    516 Posts Tuesday, June 8, 2010 3:32:01 PM
    By demonstrating that fundamentalists do not have a monopoly in Islam.


    You`re assuming that is how they would interpret a mosque being built there. News flash: Radical Islam does not Buy into American Liberal Agenda/Paradigm


    does anyone actually use this word `paradigm`?...or is it only the pretentious among us...?...i got it when you said `agenda`
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    TNoussis Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    So the pioneers hundred of years ago were EXACTLY the same as muslim extremists, right? Is that what im missing? Okay, NOW this comic has a valid point.
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    Buck176 Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    I`m tired of hearing about Native Americans every time someone mentions foreign influence in the U.S. There was a battle for this land and the Christians won. Get over it. It doesn`t matter how they won, if they cheated, or anything else. The Native American (which is a racist term by the way) argument is an irrelevant one.
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    Blandino123 Male 13-17
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    sooo true
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    "I`m tired of hearing about Native Americans every time someone mentions foreign influence in the U.S. There was a battle for this land and the Christians won. Get over it. It doesn`t matter how they won, if they cheated, or anything else. The Native American (which is a racist term by the way) argument is an irrelevant one. "

    Just in! History is now irrelevant.
  68. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2275 posts
    June 8, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    "So the pioneers hundred of years ago were EXACTLY the same as muslim extremists, right? Is that what im missing? Okay, NOW this comic has a valid point."

    They were better. They took 110 million to 2 million. That would be like 9/11 by a factor of 55,000.
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    howlingwolf Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    "Iunno about the rest of you, but building a mosque there would be a sign of tolerance and forgiveness, just like the bible teach-
    *sigh*
    Forget I said anything."

    That`s right, you almost forgot the crowd you`re talking to. Don`t try to teach us IAB`ers about tolerance of other religions, we won`t stand for it (puts on big grin and stands there).
  70. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    It would be like you woke up one day and nearly everyone in your town was dead. The population density would go from 350 to 15 million. So imagine 98% of your population decimated.

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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    Religion is dumb.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    I LOVE that the main argument coming from Americans when it comes to Israel and Native Americans seems to be "We had a fight and WON! Therefore we get it all!"

    So you`re suggesting Arabs just need to up the violence? That`s the problem? Not enough violence?

    Genuinely that`s the argument you`re making? Or is it that you just haven`t realized that`s your argument?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    I think a mosque close to ground zero is a really bad idea. In fact, I think any religious memorial close to ground zero is a bad idea. It should be a national secular monument that all americans can participate emotionally in, any religious memorial close to ground zero will probably create a divisive community. I`m not opposed to the idea of building a
    site that "would help `bridge the great divide` between Muslims and the rest of America" as the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said. But Ground Zero has got to be the worst place for such a site. Ground Zero is defined by the actions of a radical subset of an entire culture and too infused with emotional resonance to engage critically with the merits (and demerits) of the culture that produced the ones who commited the crime in a fair and balanced manner. If it is built at Ground Zero it will always be tainted by the events that happend there and will be counter-productive for any attempt by muslims and non-muslims to interact i
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    pandabear21 Female 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    "Oh. And the fact that they choose to open it on 9/11 just seems pretty insulting to me as well. Out of all the 365 days of the year, why did they pick that one?"

    well it is ground zero so that might have something to do with it... not saying that i agree with it or anything, but that kinda seems like a duh...
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    Oh! I thought the Mosque was being built on ground zero, as in some Muslim prayer room or something was going to be in the new tower somewhere.

    It`s just being built near the site? I don`t get the problem at all then. Are there not Muslims in the area who would be using it?
  76. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    continued: in a socially constructive manner. That kind of place should be built on emotionally neutral ground where rational interaction and debate can take place divested of intense emotional reactions that cloud understanding and cooperation. Just my two cents. I don`t even live there.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    FFS. Actually reading more on this:

    1: It is two blocks away.
    2: It is already used for prayers, they`re just expanding it and turning it into a proper Mosque.

    Meh, this debate is pretty much over.
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    ThatGuyChris Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    It`s just going to be a little thing nearby the site... People complain about it like they`re putting it there to insult the people who died there.. What about all the innocent Muslim people who died during the 9/11 attacks?

    And yeah, there were drating plenty of them, just because most of them were Christian doesn`t mean a mosque shouldn`t be allowed to be built.

    I`m personally against ANY religious poo being built pretty much anywhere, but this is a bit drated up, if someone said a Christian/Catholic church was being built NEARBY not a soul would complain. But because its a religion that`s getting drated over by extremists its horrible and should not be built...

    Funniest thing is, people are extremely quick to forget all the drated up poo that Christianity did throughout history... All their poo should mean no churches should be built anywhere by their logic..
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    Like it or not, terrorism works. They got the Gazza strip didn`t they?
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    yeah... i`m pretty sure 100 times more muslims have been killed by terrorists than american. if the site is designed to be against terrorism then why can`t they have their mosque there?
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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    @panda bear
    *facepalm*
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:30 pm
    Gerry1of1:

    "Like it or not, terrorism works. They got the Gazza strip didn`t they?"

    Yes it does work, it got Israel all of Israel. See Lehi, Irgun, and Haganah all joined in armed struggle against the British rule of 92% Arab land while the British were trying to find a solution between the Arabs and Jews.

    They used car bombs, roadside bombs, and hidden bombs. Sound familiar?

    Furthermore, by Israel`s own criteria, the Palestinians do not control the Gaza strip. By Israel`s own admission several of them are considered terrorist groups. That didn`t stop the government handing out awards memorials and recognition to them in the 80s.

    drat, you don`t have to be Einstein to see that. (Though he totally did.)
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    Well, they can`t build ON ground zero, and this is as close as anyone can get. The property was purchased on September, 2009 and "city officials say the current building, constructed between 1857 and 1858 in the Italian Renaissance palazzo style, is historically and architecturally significant" and may not be authorized to be torn down. The building will be demolished and a new 13 story mega-mosque/cultural center erected in its` place.

    It overlooks the destruction site from 9/11 and is named after the Great Cordoba Mosque which represent the peak of Islamic dominance in Spain. This is just packed with tastefulness!
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    hmm...i can see both sides here. it does seem kinda of disrespectful, even thought those people who will be using this building had nothing to with it...but it was already there? is that whats being said? i dont see why they cant expand. new york has a super diverse culture of its own, and there are plenty of muslims there, so they should have a place to go.

    ifit wasnt already there though, i dont see why they cant compromise something. mosque arent really unattractive buildings either, they are kept rather clean, whcih would be crazy for new york. i dont really remember a clean building last time i went there..there were scaffolds everywhere. the city looked dumpy
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    Wow, this cartoon justifies doing wrong things forever by using gross misinformation of past wrongs. Because we all know it was priests, nuns and missionaries that took land from native Americans and killed them. There wasn`t a single corrupt government official who had anything to do with that! Why, hell, they should just build the damn mosque ON the old Twin Towers site shouldn`t they? That show those bastards right wouldn`t it? Because, you know, Christians did bad things to native Americans over a hundred years ago. I guess that`s why Israel deserves to be wiped off the map also, huh? Because they attacked the natives in the promised land over 3,000 years ago! Because we ALL know two wrongs make a right. Thanks for this incredibly insightful cartoon on why doing bad things is justified by past wrong doings(This comment was brought to you by the letter `S` for Sarcasm).
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    brutalnewt Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    I was always told that one of the founding principles of America was religious freedom. As long as they`re not doing anything illegal, they can build a mosque wherever they want and open it whenever they want; that`s the right of any American.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    @brutalnewt: It`s also the right of any American to go tell a perfect stranger, to "go f*** themselves". But, that isn`t very respectful is it?
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    mattriesel Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 10:45 pm
    If extremists successfully defeat Americans as the Europeans did the Indians, then they can build their mosques near our sacred "sites"
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    TGPZarquon Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    While I have no issue whatsoever with peaceful Muslims, the issue is that the attacks were carried out by fanatic Muslims, (no conspiracy theories, please) so the families of those who died there just might not want a symbol of what their loved ones were murdered for nearby.

    There is also the question of immediacy. Ten years haven`t even passed. You cannot compare the emotional reactions of people whose lives were affected or ruined by the attacks to those who are descendants of events that happened 150-400 years ago. Every country throughout history has conquered or subdued another race or nation at some point. Does blame go back and forth throughout the world ranging all the way back to biblical times, or is it just in America (whose sins of Native American conquest and slavery were begun by our European colonist forefathers) that history can never be forgiven?
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    Kadinsky Male 18-29
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    June 8, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    Islam didn`t destroy the TT; that was terrorism. Learn the difference, come back, apologize.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    June 8, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Soooo... is it right or is it wrong? Cuz if it`s wrong then they shouldn`t build the Mosque, right? If it`s right then it`s okay to build churches near sites of native americans?
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    Molehouse Male 13-17
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    June 8, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    9/11: Seriously guys, it`s a war, that`s how this stuff works. The American army goes storming across some country bombing cities, killing people at weddings and generally pissing on the collective bonfire. In retaliation your enemies attack you, except they just destroyed a few buildings. And whilst this is sad, I think it surprised a lot of people when they found they weren`t `untouchable`.

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    BBQ Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 1:25 am
    @mattriesel
    The only religion of extremists is hate. Be it Muslim-, Christian-, sports- or anything else extremists.

    TGPZarquon does present a very valid point, that enough time hasn`t passed.
    On the other hand, Americans have to learn to distinguish between extremists and everyone else, no matter the religion.
    Building a mosque on ground zero might be a tool in starting a very necessary discussion.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 2:32 am
    So, again, RELIGIONS ARE RETARDED! And usually, i find that religious people are ignorant. (not ALL of them of course, but of the lot that i`ve met, a lot of them are very ignorant.) Which is why I did the intelligent thing and created my own belief system, just for myself.
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    June 9, 2010 at 2:52 am
    TGPZarquon

    I know that this is probably not the correct forum for saying so, but you have one of the greatest screen names around. Frankly, though, seeing that you have returned makes me wonder just how much time we have left.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 5:09 am
    As long as we can open a Star-Bucks inside of the Hagia Sophia.
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    Django Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 5:11 am
    We are the great human experiment. I just hope common sense and logic will, one day, prevail. Pointless optimism, I`m sure.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 5:42 am
    Comparing Muslims to American Indians is apples to oranges.

    Comparing the crusades and the Spanish inquisition to Muslims is apples to oranges.

    Agree or not, putting a mosque this close to ground zero and opening it on 9-11 is asking for religious intolerance, period. It`s hate baiting.

    They seem to be doing this to attract hatred, to garner sympathy for their own cause.

    There`s already a Mosque on Manhattan. It is sufficient. There`s no reason for another.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 6:19 am
    Auburn:
    "Comparing Muslims to Native Americans"
    Wrong way round.

    "this close to ground zero"
    2 blocks away is fine.

    "They seem to be doing this to attract hatred"
    Or, if you didn`t immediately assume the worst because of your prejudices, quite clearly, the opposite. (Link includes statements from the board that approved it, and the organizers.

    "There`s already a Mosque on Manhattan. It is sufficient. There`s no reason for another."
    The building was bought, originally, to accommodate OVERFLOW WORSHIPPERS from the previous Mosque. That is the opposite of the definition of sufficient.

    Guardingnome:
    "As long as we can open a Star-Bucks inside of the Hagia Sophia."
    There is a Starbucks < 300ft from Hagia Sophia. 1 Block away.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:04 am
    Come to me with something other than ABC sir.

    That`s almost like using MSNBC, or me using FOX lol.

    It`s already been proven that NYC has more than enough Mosques, so I am not going to repeat what has already been said. It`s up to you to read all the responses, or pay attention the first time.

    I know people are stupid. While I personally don`t have a problem with the mosque going up per se, I do know that going up that close to the WTC site, and going up on that date, will attract people of a horrible sort. That`s why I say it`s hate baiting. Regardless of how they explain that 9-11 is a good day to open the mosque, it`s still the wrong day. That would be like a white man marching through a ghetto saying "Good riddance!" over and over on MLK day.
    I was trying to find an exact number of Muslims in NYC. I found out there are 38 mosques in NYC, with 20 of them being on the Manhattan isle itself. I also found
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    TheNineXXX Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:06 am
    Ad hominem tu quoque.
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    samidoll Female 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:06 am
    stupid. they are not comparing native americans to muslims. they are comparing them to americans who are opposed to muslims. if anything, they are comparing the muslims with the christians. somebody didn`t do well on reading comprehension on their SATs i bet.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:07 am
    this http://tinyurl.com/2bbdyka

    I said I didn`t really have a problem with a mosque there, but now I do. Read that.

    Also, people are comparing this to American Indians (not native Americans as you put it. There are no native Americans, as a human has never evolved on this continent. No one that has ever been here has been "native"). The Settlers never "conquered" this land. The first European Americans settled here. They didn`t take a thing from anyone. American Indians didn`t believe in land ownership. How could the settlers take something that wasn`t owned?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:08 am
    I`m talking about others in the discussion samidoll.
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    theend81 Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:17 am
    It is in bad taste, and that is it. Especially when you take into consideration that it will be called Cordoba House, which was one of the main Islamic cities/capitals in Spain when they took it from the Spaniards.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:21 am
    Now thats just funny. The never ending cycle.
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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:22 am
    Don`t build churches or mosques, ultimately eveyone wins.
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    RexBanner Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:34 am
    @Baalthazaq


    1: It is two blocks away.
    2: It is already used for prayers, they`re just expanding it and turning it into a proper Mosque.

    Meh, this debate is pretty much over.

    `I love you so much right now :)`
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 7:42 am
    @rexbanner:

    So why don`t you drat him then?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 9, 2010 at 8:23 am
    AJ, You keep saying: "American Indians didn`t believe in land ownership".
    Clearly you don`t know what you`re talking about. The fact is Indians had no concept of land ownership. The had no literal translation in any of their dialects. Not understanding and not "believing" are two entirely different things.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 8:59 am
    Why do they want to open it up on 9-11-11 then that`s just picking a fight.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 9:15 am
    So they didn`t understand.

    Should have I guess.
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    June 9, 2010 at 10:21 am
    madest
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    AJ, You keep saying: "American Indians didn`t believe in land ownership".
    Clearly you don`t know what you`re talking about. The fact is Indians had no concept of land ownership. The had no literal translation in any of their dialects. Not understanding and not "believing" are two entirely different things.
    -----------------------------
    ^^This.

    Considering they fought, collectively, for hundreds of years to keep their land, and that their race almost went extinct in the process, I`m pretty damn sure they wanted to keep it.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    June 9, 2010 at 10:24 am
    I agree with McGovern - it`s just so instigating. A good compromise would be a 7-Eleven.
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    Khalfani Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 10:28 am
    So Im guessing they assume that Muslims weren`t in the Towers too eh?
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    cousinrayray Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 10:48 am
    why does it have to be Jesus vs. Islam? This idiot artist is just on the opposite end of the spectrum from the characters in the first 2 panels
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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 11:54 am
    i was having the same conversation in my chiropractic office
    why so against it, and why blame everybody for selective actions of few, plus forgiveness and understanding is the only thing that can end all wars, and as we all know that will never happen, as a new yorker, i say let them build a mosque to show that even tho they can hate us, we dont have to hate them, plus i have not heard of any mosques being blown up lately, so maybe this will prevent future attacks, right?
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    KidGixxer Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    I get it the artist made the Americans fat to expand on a stereotype.

    what I do not get is why are the Indians not drunk?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    @sumrandom:

    Unless they use the mosque to hide the attack. They could build up tons of explosives in there, or perhaps a dirty bomb, and detonate it without warning.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    @khalfani:

    23 Muslims died in the WTC attack. 1/3 of 1%.
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    util Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Promoting tolerance and understanding on the web is like trying to swim in an ocean of peanut butter trolls.
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    amen to that util
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    "Promoting tolerance and understanding"

    Try promoting it to Muslim Extremists.
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    Luke139 Male 13-17
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    June 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    This isn`t directed at Banksy`s new I <3 NY piece is it? Just wonderding...
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    Luke139 Male 13-17
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    June 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    wondering**
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    lordtyusa Male 30-39
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    June 9, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Ow ow ow!!! The amount of logical fallacies here HURTS! It`s not about Christianity. It`s about Islam. Any terrorist acts committed by Christianity are irrelevant to the topic. This is about Muslim extremists killing thousands of innocent people, not to spread their faith, but to kill the infidel (which is all of you on here btw...unless you yourself are Muslim). And so now I`m to be chastized and made to feel guilty because I don`t feel the need to advocate senseless violence all for the sake of being politically correct and tolerant?! Give me a break. It`s tacky and disrespectful to try and justify the murder of these people, which is what you are doing when you defend the building of a structure that represents the cause of these specific horrible acts. While we are at it, lets build a pro-American museum in the heart of Hiroshima, or a Hitler statue over where a concentration camp once was! We`ll just label anyone who disagrees with said structure as intolerant.
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    defiythelie Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    If they build this they do realize it will be bombed or a shooting will take place dont they?
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    lordtyusa: First of all, terrorist acts are committed by people, not religions. There are Muslims that hate Western culture, but Islam as a whole does not teach that the West is bad and needs to be destroyed. Get it straight.

    Second, how exactly is an atrocity committed by Christians different than one committed by Muslims? It`s completely relevant that Christians killed people here and then built churches. Your own people did it, and now you oppose it happening with other people.

    For the record, I oppose the mosque, too. I think you`re correct that it`s tacky and disrespectful. I just wanted you to know people are tired of Christians acting all high and mighty like different rules apply to them.
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    longhornsfan Male 18-29
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    June 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    jesus died lol
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    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2010 at 12:56 am
    As well as Christians killing natives etc., didn`t God "`himself`" kill lots of people in the bible?

    @lordtyusa, you mentioned Hitler (sort of). It`s inevitable that someone does that in an web argument, but I found that funny.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2010 at 4:58 am
    Auburn,

    I absolutely, 100% support the attempt to break the blockade punishing civilians without merit, and giving terrorists an even easier target for Israel.

    The US government`s generals agree with me, the economist agrees with me, Stratfor agrees with me, the FT agrees with me.

    The idea that trying to deliver aid to a besieged people is "hating democracy" is utterly absurd, and this does not make all of those publications and experts "democracy haters". It is equally absurd to call Rauf part of "violent clashes".

    You criticize my use of ABC then go and get "The Voice of the Orthodox Jewish Community" as a source on his position on aid to Palestine?

    Perhaps I misunderstood, did you want LESS reliable sources than ABC? Was that your complaint?

    You have not addressed my points.
    I have so far addressed all of yours.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2010 at 5:06 am
    When I say you have not addressed my points, allow me to be clear. This is now going to fall off tail of threads I continue to follow.

    Anyone wishing to read our interaction can do so. Feel free to make closing arguments, I believe all my points have been made and anything you have to say further will be answered just as well by any of my previous comments.

    Also, the reason Rex does not "drat" me is because where we come from, we can love people without drating them. I`d say "like say a mother or brother", but given your general demeanor I`m guessing your opinion on that similarly might come from the same Banjo school you get the rest of your information from.
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    kinky_afr0 Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    hehe internet
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    jesbur Male 18-29
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    June 10, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    im sorry i dont give a damn about religion but those terrorist bastards have no right!!
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    Skyeofgreen Female 18-29
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    June 11, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    BALLTHAZAQ- this is a place for not smart stuff, its IAB, so stop it
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    Pancake57 Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2010 at 10:05 am
    Christians murdered American Indians in the name of Jesus?

    When?
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2010 at 10:44 am
    Good question, Pancake. They didn`t. They might have killed Natives, but not in the name of religion. This cartoon, though mildly clever, relies on false premises.

    I don`t think people should be offended at all by building a mosque near Ground-Zero. It would show the world that were the bigger people and almost be a slap in the face to terrorists and other people who don`t like us.
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    miraclewik Female 18-29
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    June 12, 2010 at 11:00 am
    Pancake, try googling the aztecs. Murdered by catholicism.
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    BJT Male 13-17
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    June 17, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    http://protecttherepublic.lefora.com/2010/06/10/ground-zero-mosque/#post4

    Guys, please read what I had to say on the issue that I wrote on another forum.
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