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135 Responses to NYC Community Board OKs Ground Zero Mosque Plans

  1. Profile photo of JUGGALETTEx0
    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    June 2, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Link: NYC Community Board OKs Ground Zero Mosque Plans - WTF... Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum?
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 6:12 am
    Ironic because last month 3000 Muslims rioted in Egypt because of a Catholic church being built there. link here
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    raikun12 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 6:14 am
    It`s sad that the media has spun this image of the Islamic religious tradition as being controlled by these fringe movements such as Al Queda. By giving these fringe groups all the attention we are fueling the fires of terrorism. If we were to turn the clock back 15 years, very few people would have known such names as Osama bin Laden. putting up an Osama statue would be like the comparison made in the link description, but not a mosque.
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    paddyboom Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2010 at 6:17 am
    jesus christ, are you retarded? it`s not `that`s like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum`, it`s more like letting german people go to the holocaust museum. we`re in a war on terror, not a war on islam.
    FLAME WAR! ACTIVATE!
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Juggalette, I really hope your title for the link was changed...
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:37 am
    It`s a mosque, not a terrorist training center.

    Then again, so many Americans think that`s the same thing. How sad...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:39 am
    Well that mosque isn`t gonna be there long. I can already see the New Yorkers making Molotovs.
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    Doiknowyou Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:40 am
    I`m with paddyboom on this one
  9. Profile photo of JUGGALETTEx0
    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:42 am
    @rainbow farts i saw something in the comments o the link and i couldn`t think of anything so i just wrote that hoping they would change it because i couldn`t think of anything clever myself....i never really knew the link description was used as the caption.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:44 am
    I think its in their own best interest to just sell the property and decide on a better location. With all the attention its getting, there`s high risk for protesting outside, vandalism, and threat to anyone visiting (islamic or otherwise).
    Kinda arrogant to put your own people at risk for a belie...ohwait. nvm. carry on.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:45 am
    Hello monument to terrorism.

    What would happen if The Vatican Army blew up a Mosque and built a Catholic Church in it`s place.

    That drater would get ripped!
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:48 am
    well it`s not going to be like literally right on it but right next to it....but still it`s retarded.
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:50 am
    "Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum?"

    No. Not even remotely. Unless you`re dumb enough to think that ALL Muslims are terrorists bent on jihad. As a New Yorker who walked past the ruins on 9/11 and knew people who died, I don`t have a problem with this. But then, I`m not a moron.

    FLAME ON!
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:50 am
    This is a huge moral victory for the radical Islam.

    Perhaps they can use it as a recruiting center, maybe even have a training camp inside!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:53 am
    LOL @ Michaelbored for not seeing the bigger picture.

    So you are saying that there will never be 1 single Muslim who believes in jihad that goes through that mosque?

    1 is too many. Have you read the Quran? It preaches to destroy all who are not Muslims. All who believe Jesus was the son of God. Basically it preaches kill all those who oppose them spiritually.
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Baelzar, stop be an ignorant fool. You too, AburnJunky.

    Making statements such as that are akin to me saying "Watch out! All those catholics are pedophiles! They better not build that church next to that molested child`s house!"
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:59 am
    Quran 4:89: “They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

    Quran 8:12: “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;”

    Quran 2:191: “… kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …”

    Quran 22:19-22: “… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods.”

    Quran 8:12: “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate
  18. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:00 am
    Line the foundation of the mosque with explosives. Then, if they fu*k-up even once <BOOM> no more mosque.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:00 am
    them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.’”

    Quran 8:7: “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

    Quran 8:59: “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

    Quran 8:60: “Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you.”

    Quran 9.29&#8243; “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Quran 47:4: “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers” and, after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.”

    Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): “Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: ‘The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.’”

    Quran 9:5: “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:01 am
    so it`s like a "Bigots say the Darnedest Things" sort of satire since it`s just repeating what someone in the comments said right...right?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Sura 3:151: “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!”

    Sura 8:60: “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly.”

    Tabari IX:113: “Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran.”
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
    auburnjunky, got a goddam point? Care to get to it?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
    Tabari I:280: “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”

    Ishaq:327: “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
  25. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:03 am
    That is my point.

    The muslim religion is peaceful? Read a book, read a book.
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    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:05 am
    I think this is a good idea.
    Islam wasn`t responsible for 9/11.
    Insane, fanatical terrorists were responsible for 9/11
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:08 am
    The muslim religion is peaceful? Read a book, read a book.
    auburnjunky, you must be forgetting those unfriendly verses from your OWN book telling believers to kill anyone, even their own family, if they "try to lead you to other gods."
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:09 am
    @tainteddeity:

    Have you even read the Quran?

    There`s some passages below for you.
  29. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:10 am
    @pooptart:

    I believe that was in the Old Testament, which is nullified in the New Testament.

    Plus, we are talking about Muslims, not Christians or Jews. Don`t say "You did it why can`t they nyah nyah."
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:12 am
    To quash one`s religion would be Unamerican, Auburn. The first amendment establishes that way back when.

    There`s a number of violent verses in many other religions. Hell, look at the bible!

    Luke 19:27 - "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

    Deuteronomy 13:13-16 - "that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It
  31. Profile photo of Pooptart19
    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:13 am
    I believe that was in the Old Testament, which is nullified in the New Testament.
    *facepalm*

    Oh riiiiiiiight, auburnjunky. So do you still follow the Ten Commandments from the OT? This "But that was the OLD Testament" is pure horsesh*t and you know it. Too bad Jesus also said he did not come about to change any law. You lose, auburnjunky.
  32. Profile photo of JUGGALETTEx0
    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:13 am
    @ auburn i <3 you
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:16 am
    That is unbelievable.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:17 am
    I don`t follow the ten commandments. I follow Jesus for he is the law.

    That`s why he died on the cross.

    I know I may sound like an idiot to all of you, but in the Bible it says to follow Jesus, and that he died to take the burdens of the old laws off our backs. We are to believe in him for he is love.

    That`s the last thing we (Christians) are told to do as far as believing goes. Believe in Jesus and you will be saved.

    Nowhere after that does it say follow the commandments. Nowhere after that does it say do what Abraham did.

    Now. Compare this, to those passages in the Quran I gave you.

    Also, I thought I said this was a discussion about the Quran, and not the bible. No kiddie nyah nyah please.
  35. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:20 am
    LOL I said Jesus is the law, and I immediately thought on Judge Dredd.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:20 am
    auburnjunky, please keep typing. Show everyone just how dumb you are.
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:20 am
    `Luke 19:27 - "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." `

    Context-finding fail. Christ was here telling a parable about a rich man and this quote was what the rich man in the story said.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:24 am
    @pooptart:

    You are the only one who has said anything to contradict me thus far, and it was just a schoolkid argument.

    Why don`t you drop it, unless you are gonna come with something worth a damn to refute my statements AS FAR AS THE QURAN AND MUSLIMS GO.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:29 am
    auburn
    And why can`t the bible be brought into the discussion? You`re pointing out parts of the Quran that could be outdated, as you say the Old Testament is outdated. You aren`t Muslim so I doubt you know for sure. And everyone else is just pointing out that, in the Old and New Testament there are unsavory verses. Should we judge all Christians based on the crusades and inquisition?
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:31 am
    I like the protest that it is "building over a Christian cemetery"... because of course no Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, Muslims, or any other non-Christians were killed at the Twin Towers on 9/11.
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    dreadqueen00 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:33 am
    Are you kidding with that caption? Al Qaeda terrorists were responsible for 9-11 and are a specific minority of Muslims. Nazis were a specific minority of Germans. All Germans were not Nazis, nor are all Muslims terrorists. A mosque is a center of worship for ALL Muslims--not an Al Qaeda monument. Ridiculous.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:42 am
    This would be acceptable if the mosque was built in the shape of a cartoon image of Muhammed flipping off the mideast. But it is not and therefore is wrong. In fact no religious anything should be at ground zero because it signifies a win for religion. I bet the people who died that day could confirm that praying is a waste of time.
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    Kneller Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:47 am
    Misleading tag line. The mosque isn`t being built *at* Ground Zero. It`s being built *near* it. Major difference. There`s nothing at all wrong with it.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:48 am
    madest, I sort of agree with you. While I see how they`re trying to say building a mosque would be a step towards diversity I think it`s best not to step on anyone`s toes in a situation like this. Even though I know there`s a difference between al qaeda and the remaining Muslim population let`s just build a nice memorial in honor of people who lost their lives sans any religion.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:49 am
    Always something.
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:52 am
    Yes, you`re right, Seastone. Thanks for clarifying that one for me.

    And Madest, I think you and I have the same belief here, so I just wanted to give you a proverbial pat on the back.

    Auburn, I`m sorry I threw some hateful words your way, and I also apologize if I stepped on your religious beliefs too harshly. In my religion, that would be nothing short of blasphemy.
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    agentsarahja Female 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    Seriously? It`s not like the Muslim`s imaginary friend is any worse or better than the Christian`s imaginary friend. Who cares.
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    naz2k55 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    all i cna say to these arguements is that im muslim, my family muslim, most my firends are muslim and no one i know is an extremeist, or promotes violencei n any wya, and the fact is 99% of the muslims out there are like me, me and my father are doctors were out there saving lives, yet the amount of crap i seem to be hearing is just depressing.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    ". . . the real terrorists will see it as a win on their side." Who cares how the terrorists see it? Let them bask in their "victory;" maybe it would make them complacent enough to pause their plotting. We should worry more about how the civilized world reacts. I, for one, hope this will serve as a symbol that the US is still a beacon of freedom. It damn well better.

    By the way, why do Christians keep ignoring the "turn the other cheek" directive? I`ll tell you why -- it`s because meekness only works when you`re the underdog. But don`t worry; just a few more wars and China will knock us off the hill.

    I have another idea: confiscate all poppies in Afghanistan, refine it all into heroin, then deliver it to Al Qaeda (perhaps via horse-zookas). Junkies don`t shoot straight.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    @naz2k:

    Okay. I respect your choice of religion and I can respect that MOST (99%) of Muslims are peaceful.

    I have worked for, and have employed Muslims, and they are some of the best people, and best workers ever (with the exception of Ramadan j/k).

    I must ask you though, to go back and read the verses from your book I posted. Are these what Muslims believe? Is the Quran infallible? I as a Christian believe that the bible IS NOT the word of God and that it has been interpreted by man, and perverted by man. Do you feel the same of your Quran?
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Um.. its not like a bomb manufacturing plant. They have as many rights as the stupid ass Christians who insist on dumping their churches all over the middle east when they are clearly not wanted...
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    naz2k55 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    @ auburnjunky - the Quran was written a very long time ago, things were undoubtedly diffrent back in those days, you know that? Back then things were savage with diffrent tribes in the middle east, was a crazy place. Nowadays we interpret the good things about the Quran, and use it in everyday life. Afterall its a good book to live by with the exceptions of some sentences but you can say that about any of the holy scriptures, its just fact
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    @mcfudge:

    I challenge you to find a Christian church in any of the following countries.

    Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria.....

    If you find one, it will be burned to the ground by week`s end, so it doesn`t count.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    I can appreciate that naz. Thanks for replying.

    I`m not here to condemn religion, but some of the stuff in that book is totally scary. It isn`t even ambiguous.

    That, and the fact that some Imams publicly preach some of the bad points. The Pope doesn`t even preach the old testament.
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    jofo Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    I`m sure there were a lot of muslims killed in the 9/11 disaster as well. It`s about putting up a mosque, not an Osama BL statue ffs.
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    Hemtroll Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    I see two problems with this.

    One, it seems kind of disrespectful putting up any kind of religious symbolism really close to Ground Zero, it feels like that should be neutral grounds because I`m sure there were people of all beliefs in the towers.

    Two, it, like every other religious thing, brings out all the nutjobs who think all muslims/christians/jews are fanatical nuts.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    I think it`s more like that giant cross at Aushwitz. Well intentioned, but ultimately divisive.
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    naz2k55 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    btw there are churches in Syria, Jordan and Iran, not sure about the other 2 thought, becuae if there were, doubt there is now!
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    Hemtroll Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    "I challenge you to find a Christian church in any of the following countries.
    Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria.....
    If you find one, it will be burned to the ground by week`s end, so it doesn`t count."

    The difference here is that all those countries you listed are super strict about religion and largely lack democracy and freedom of speech. America is a democratic western state so it doesn`t even compare.

    The bible has some messed up passages too, every religious book that was written thousands of years ago when religion was law is bound to have stuff that doesn`t make sense today, it`s up to the people to interpret it the way they want to.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    @xiquiripat:

    The cross at Aushwitz is different. Christians gave their lives to save and defend the Jews that were being killed there.

    The Muslims that committed the acts at WTC believe all non Muslims should die, period.

    See the difference?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    @naz and hemtroll:

    I was responding to this:

    "They have as many rights as the stupid ass Christians who insist on dumping their churches all over the middle east when they are clearly not wanted..."
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    I don`t see how this helps the Muslim community - it just aggravates the situation IMO. I think they should have gone with something neutral, like a Starbucks.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    @oystah:

    There`s something we can all worship.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    Oystah
    I`m in favor of a Starbucks! And maybe a pizzeria, yum!
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    xScalawag Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    That mosque that is going up is two blocks away from Ground Zero. They are building it in an attempt to turn something very tragic into something positive; amplifying the silent voice of the majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism and extremist ideologies. It will counter the extremist momentum. By the way, American Muslims also got killed on 9/11. I understand the anger and bitterness, but it only generates more hatred. ...Just sayin. :)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Don`t say just sayin` at the end of posts. It makes your opinion seem trollish.

    Just sayin` hehehe.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Hmm...
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    xScalawag Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    @auburnjunky

    Haha, sorry. I just put it cause I`m not looking to get into an argument with anyone, I just wanted to say my opinion. A lot of people get really pissed off on the internet, and I try to stay away from it as much as possible, which is why I rarely post.
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    NDLOgan Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Wow... just... wow.
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    donthaveone Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    A son and his dad are taking a walk in New York on a beautiful spring day in 2021.

    They stroll down to where "ground zero" was 20 years earlier.

    "Son, this is where the World Trade Center used to be",- the dad says to his young son.

    The son replies "Dad, what was the World Trade Center?"

    Dad answers: "This is where Muslims crashed the planes into the 2 World Trade Center office buildings".

    The young son asks: "Dad, what were the Muslims?"

    :)
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    @donthaveone - Sooooo....suggesting we exterminate them all?

    Allow me to suggest you get crackin`. See how well that works out for you.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Timothy McVey was raised catholic, so are they saying there should be no catholic churches in downtown Oklahoma City?

    All religions suck in my view, but let them build the damn mosque.... so we know where they are! mwahahahahahahaha
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    @xiquiripat:

    "The cross at Aushwitz is different. Christians gave their lives to save and defend the Jews that were being killed there.

    The Muslims that committed the acts at WTC believe all non Muslims should die, period.

    See the difference?"

    I said they were similar, not the same. But the Jews didn`t exactly appreciate having a giant cross dominating a place where more way more Jews died than Christains despite some of them undoubtedly being heroic defenders of Jews. (It started a riot between Jews and Polish Catholics). And I doubt that the people of New York will appreciate having a Mosque too close to the WTC memorial though they might appreciate the sentiment of reconciliation. I think that in general religious memorials tend to be more divisive than secular national ones.
  74. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    They should be thinking more about how the friends and family of the victims are going to feel about this, rather than some far-reaching, idealistic dreams of ending religious prejudice. I also don`t think this is going to have that desired effect.

    Personally I think they should build four towers, using the same plans, and put a memorial in the center. It would send a clear message: take down two of our buildings, and four will rise in their place.
  75. Profile photo of MichaelBored
    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    @auburnjunky:

    "LOL @ Michaelbored for not seeing the bigger picture."

    And by "bigger picture" you mean your paranoid bigotry. You are correct. I don`t see eye to eye with your paranoid bigotry.

    "So you are saying that there will never be 1 single Muslim who believes in jihad that goes through that mosque?"

    No. I didn`t say anything like that. But if one DOES go through that mosque that believes in jihad, I believe that someone there will be able to enlighten him/her as to the error of their ways.

    "Have you read the Quran? It preaches to destroy all who are not Muslims..."

    Yeah, see, this is why I don`t hold literally to books written by people who thought the world was flat.

    2nd Book of Chronicles 15:12-13: "...but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman."

    So your point is...?
  76. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    @Michaelbored:

    People that believe the bible, also believe that Jesus died to save us from those laws.

    Read the rest of my posts so I don`t have to explain myself again.

    Also, I thought this article was about a Mosque. That`s why I brought up the Quran.

    Why that automatically prompts some people to automatically bring up the Bible (which I do not believe is the word of God by the way. It was written by man, therefore fallible) escapes me.
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    MrBowserPuff Male 13-17
    275 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    Anyone else find the caption a bit racist? Not all Muslims are terrorists...
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    Hellioness Female 18-29
    133 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Old news...but still pisses me off.
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    Hellioness Female 18-29
    133 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    @Donthaveone LOVE IT!!!
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    Really, this is a terrible idea.

    I mean, it`s not like no innocent muslims or buddhists or hindus or etc. died in 9/11, because I`m sure there were quite a few, but when terrorists acting in the name of Islam kill people and you propose an Islamic Worship Center as a memorial...

    I have nothing against Islam, but that`s a terrible idea.

    This entire thing is political dogma. As a quasi-political person I depise American Political Dogma. I could hear the insincereness dripping out of this...

    If this is public funding it should be a secular monument. No matter what religion. Some religious things in it? Maybe. A monument of religion? No.
  81. Profile photo of MichaelBored
    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    @auburnjunky:

    I`ve read enough of your posts over time to know that reading more will not only fail to enlighten me, but it`s dinner time soon, and I don`t want to lose my appetite.

    You think the mosque is a bad idea based on the beliefs of a crazy few and the words of a book that some believe is the word of God, yet was written by man, therefore fallible. I bring up the Bible because, if you want to, you can selectively quote the TV Guide to make someone look bad.

    You`re just looking to justify your bigotry. That`s what bigots do.
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    AmigoNY Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    One question: WHY?
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    umm... so in this article it says that the people building the mosque had already purchased the building/land the mosque is to be constructed on, and it`s actually a few miles from ground zero... not ON it. i mean jeez that really would be a slap in the face. but they can`t build something that they have already purchased because it is NEAR a site that was ravaged by extremists of the same religion? and since when did there have to be board meetings to determine what citizens of this country can build on their own property? i understand being sensitive to the attacks but i think people are flippin out over nothing here, it`s like any church being constructed.
  84. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    MichaelBored: You haven`t experienced `Paranoid Bigotry` until you`ve lived under sharia (Islamic) law. It is the most backward, Sexist, Intolerant, And oppressive legal system in the world.

    In Iran, They`d bury you up to your neck and then stone you to death for your liberalness.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    Bad Idea.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3291 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    "WTF... Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum?"

    No. All Nazi`s were evil, Jew hating people. That`s part of what being a Nazi was. Not all Muslims are terrorists. That`s what the people are trying to say by putting this mosque there. They are trying to say that they are peaceful people who understand how wrong it was.

    That being said, I still think it`s a dead wrong idea.
  87. Profile photo of skypirate
    skypirate Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    ` since when did there have to be board meetings to determine what citizens of this country can build on their own property?`

    its called zoning laws, you have to have a permit approved by the city. and its nothing new
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    i think people loose sight of important things when they try and be to politically correct.
  89. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    it`s actually a few miles from ground zero..

    Two blocks does not equal a few miles.

    it`s like any church being constructed.

    I seriously doubt you`re that obtuse.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    This is a deliberate insult.

    The kind that will have the "death to America" crowd dancing in the streets.

    Don`t be naïve, or deliberately obtuse. This is not a good thing.
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    Why not just build a runway, so that any suicide bomber who tries again makes a text book landing?
  92. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    i think people loose sight of important things when they try and be to politically correct.

    I think that sums up what is going on here perfectly.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    So has IAB become hyper anti-muslim lately?
  94. Profile photo of mal_BB
    mal_BB Male 18-29
    1231 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Not hyper anti-Muslim, just hyper anti Muslim extremists, which is perfectly understandable. Trouble is, this is a double edged sword; yes it will offend people, but one must look at the bigger picture. America must be the `better man`- to show tolerance to all other religions, even those which may be linked to people who want to harm a nation, is a wonderful thing. This is one thing extremists will never be able to do; its simply not in their nature. By shaking hands with the peaceful Muslims, you`re actually sticking 2 fingers up at any radical extremists. There are mosques all over London- need i say more?
  95. Profile photo of aseirinn
    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    IAB original post- `WTF... Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum? `

    What kind of F u c k i n g idiot came up with this tag line?..what a twat!..Firstly chief, despite what you may think not all the people that died there were American,and yes some that died were muslim, idiot!

    your childish attempt at equating america as downtrodden jews and all muslims as jackbooted nazis falls very far from the mark...has it dawned on you that the opposite may be the case...get back to you tv before you miss anymore of your window on the world, FOX NEWS!
  96. Profile photo of motownc
    motownc Male 30-39
    219 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    So little understanding. Don`t people appreciate that groups like al quaeda don`t perform their terrorist acts in the name of islam, they carry out these atrocities in spite of Islam. It`s like saying that the Ku Klux Klan represent Christians. The Nazi`s thought they had the christian god on their side when they tried to destroy the jews. Would you want other nationalities to think these people represent you and judge you by their standards?
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    A VERY FEW psycho men hijacked planes and crashed them. Yes it was a f`ing tragedy. So you go and blame every muslim in the world and paint them all with the Terrorist brush. Shame on you for doing so! Why not blame every male in the world, or everyone with a beard? It makes just as much sense.

    This mosque is NEAR the site, not on it, and the muslims have just as much right to build their churches as any other religion. Get over it, and anyone who says they don`t is just a racist redneck.
  98. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    These people are not here to bring Shariah law. They are here to worship Islam as they see fit, like the Christian pilgrims of the Mayflower.
  99. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    Lionhart2:

    "Many said they were not opposed to a mosque — just not one that`s two blocks from ground zero."

    New York is our largest city, with plenty of places to build a mosque. Do they have a right to build it there? Yes. Is it a poor choice of location? I think it is.

    Off topic, I miss your old avatar. It reminded me a lot of Lion king.
  100. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    I think the definition of ground zero is critical to this debate. According to wikipedia (shut up) it is the point directly beneath an explosion. To me this means the twin towers. Those towers, when they collapsed, did damage to structures well within a two block radius so the location they are choosing to build this mosque is still on the location of the incident.

    How far from ground zero would be an acceptable location, I am sure, is a subjective matter, but I still think it would be more appropriate and considerate of those close to the victims of 9/11 if they kept the mosque at a good distance from the whole disaster site.
  101. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    Lionhart2: Why don`t you do a little reading about what organization is funding this mosque and why.

    $4.85 million in cash was paid for the property, It is reported that the funding came from Saudi Arabia, Malaysia and Iran, the leading promoters of Islamic jihad around the world. They plan to inaugurate this 15 story Mosque on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Manhattan alone already has 17 mosques, This one is not needed.
    It`s sole purpose is to be a thorn on Ground Zero.
  102. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    Crakrjak:

    You have to acknowledge that jump from a whole country to a select group of fundamentalist Muslims. However, I have to wonder why they would choose that particular location to build a mosque. They most certainly are not taking into consideration the feelings of the families and friends of 9/11 victims.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    NO this isn`t the same thing as putting a "nazi statue" at a holocaust museum.

    1) Ground zero is not some kind of Christian memorial. Hundreds of non-Christians died that day, including Muslims.
    2) These people OWN that land. They don`t even need the permission of the community board. The government has nothing to do with this.
    3) It`s near ground zero, not on it.

    People thinking that Christians have some kind of ownership of 9/11 are pathetic.
  104. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    @CrakrJak

    Listen to yourself. "Manhattan alone already has 17 mosques, This one is not needed."

    I bet Manhattan has a lot more than 17 Christian churches, but I don`t see anyone objecting to another one being built.
  105. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    According to a Pew 2007 survey 167259 Muslims live in NYC, Which has a population of over 8 million. That would mean 2% of the total NYC population is muslim. Compared with, 37% are Catholic, 20% are Jewish, 8% are Protestant, & 17$ are not affiliated. So yes, There would necessarily be more churches.

    568762 Catholics live in Manhattan with 96 Roman Catholic churches, That`s 6182 Catholics per Catholic church. 2% of Manhattan`s population is 30743, That estimates Manhattan`s muslim population. With 17 mosques that`s 1808 muslims per mosque. That`s well below the believer to church ratio of Catholics.

  106. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    I believe I`ve given sufficient data to prove my point that the `Ground Zero` mosque is not needed.
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    najamesk1 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    great way to boost the terrorists ego...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    Still waiting for you to bring something without bringing up the bible, michaelbored.
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    sugarhyped Female 18-29
    329 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    its not ON ground zero. its a couple blocks away
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    @michaelbored:

    The reason I say so, is because we are, after all, talking about a mosque, and not a church.
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    evilmonkey Male 18-29
    143 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Um..no..no it isn`t subtard
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
    559 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    Build something useful instead. Mohammed was a pedophile. He deserved death, not worship. Religion does not save humans, it enslaves them.
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    SamVimes Male 30-39
    619 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:49 pm
    Thank you Mal_BB. I couldn`t have said it better myself (though I would have made it just one finger so that more Americans would know what you meant).
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    VirtualParty Male 18-29
    787 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    No no no no nonononononononononono FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
  115. Profile photo of Loveabye
    Loveabye Female 18-29
    163 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 8:55 pm
    Though it isn`t on ground zero, just near it, it just feels wrong.
  116. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    a1buther and the FIRST comment FTW!
    With this link as the winning score!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    @Lionhart2 it seems that you`ve fallen prey to the notion that 17<96. In fact that`s not an issue, what IS an issue is per capita, as CrakrJak has said and backed up.
    The fact is that in the mind of the (radical) Muslim, 1 Catholic Church = too many.
    It is so obvious that the radicals of Islam are using our own weaknesses against us, and laughing as they do so.
    Islam has a long history of destroying infidel holy sites and building Mosques on top of them. This is the exact same thing.
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    axeman929 Male 30-39
    195 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Really, will they be having a festival there on 9/11.
  119. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    5Cats and CrakrJak, I`ve always enjoyed what you have to say, but you`re forgetting one BIG thing: the First Amendment GUARANTEES freedom of religion. Not freedom IF they worship the same as us. Freedom for ANYone. Whatever the `motives` you have to ask: if this was a Christian church, would anyone object? If the answer is `no` then you`re being biased against them because of their religion, end of story.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    If the answer is `no`
    The answer is Yes, what now?
  121. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33147 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    @Lionhart2 you make a HUGE assumption: that if Christians raised a temple on Muslim Holy Ground that we`d be OK with that.
    idk about Crakr but I would NOT be OK! But there IS NO equivilant Muslim site, because Christians haven`t made a habit of killing Muslims for some 400 years or more.
    AGAIN you`re applying Western morality to Islamic actions. This is FAIL and always will be. You CANNOT judge the actions of another culture/religion by YOUR standards. That actually is racisism, eh?
    Not that you`re a racist, I like you too :) but really, it`s a trap to think Radical Islamists are in any way motivated by `human` drives.
  122. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 11:33 pm
    In answer to the original post about `like putting a nazi statue at the Holocaust Museum", no, it`d be more akin of being offended at a German statue (not a nazi statue) because not all Germans were nazis, in the same way that not all Muslims are terrorists. Just because those who attacked the WTC were Muslims doesnt mean all Muslims are like that. Same applies for them being men, having beards, being able bodied etc.
  123. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 3, 2010 at 11:47 pm
    Lionhart2: I`d be more tolerant of muslims if they didn`t blow up statues of buddha (in afghanistan), Force people to convert to their religion, Treat women like poo, Stone people to death for owning a bible, Honor killing their own relatives for converting to Christianity, And Spreading hate of Judaism like the Nazis.
  124. Profile photo of aseirinn
    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 2:32 am
    IAB original post- `WTF... Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum? `

    What kind of F u c k i n g idiot came up with this tag line?..what a twat!..Firstly chief, despite what you may think not all the people that died there were American,and yes some that died were muslim, idiot!

    your childish attempt at equating america as downtrodden jews and all muslims as jackbooted nazis falls very far from the mark...has it dawned on you that the opposite may be the case...get back to you tv before you miss anymore of your window on the world, FOX NEWS!
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    PENtrap Male 18-29
    199 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 3:02 am
    look, it went 29/1.. doesn’t that say what NYC wants...
    and to the caption.. no
  126. Profile photo of RossWebb89
    RossWebb89 Male 18-29
    26 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 5:15 am
    and once again religion is causing arguments what a shocker!
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    aa1986 Male 18-29
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    June 4, 2010 at 6:23 am
    Either way, it`s kind of F`ed up. No, not all Muslims are terrorist. But (based on the information/report) Muslims did attack the twin towers. So, that`s F`ed up. America, all of America, is just f`ed up. I`m sorry to generalize it, but this is why I`m going Walden on you bitches in a few years. My house, no one else for miles. AHH. PEACE!
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    xXKaryXx Female 13-17
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    June 4, 2010 at 8:37 am
    ......... no comment
  129. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 4, 2010 at 10:43 am
    NIMBY!
  130. Profile photo of TokioKoos
    TokioKoos Female 18-29
    412 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    > WTF... Isn`t that like putting a Nazi statue at the holocaust museum?

    If most of the nazi`s were actually very peace-loving...
  131. Profile photo of MichaelBored
    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    @CrakrJak: True. But you may have noticed we don`t live in Iran, or under Islamic law. We live in a free society, where freedom of religion is valued. ALL religions (or none, if that`s what floats your boat).

    I have noticed, however, that people like you and auburnjunky seem to be just hunky-dory if we started institutionalizing your prejudice against Muslims. Which would bring us a lot closer to the kind of behavior you find so offensive in others.

    Paranoid bigotry? Your soaking in it.
  132. Profile photo of MichaelBored
    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Sorry, auburnjunky. I thought I made it clear I was ignoring you, as you have nothing reasonable to add to the conversation.

    But since I`m checking back in, let me respond to your last comment, "NIMBY!"

    It`s NOT in your back yard. It`s in MINE.
  133. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    The United States is my backyard sir, as I care about my fellow countrymen.

    Just like a socialist lib. You don`t agree with my views, so I have nothing to add, even though I have already stated that I respect yours.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2010 at 5:11 am
    This guy says it best.
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    June 7, 2010 at 9:44 am
    Auburnjunky - With all due respect, that`s BS. I went back and re-read all your posts to me. At no point do you say anything like you respect my point of view. In fact, by the content of your posts and the point you`re making, it`s pretty clear you DON`T respect my point - which is that it`s stupid to lump all Muslims together in the same "terrorist" pigeonhole based on the actions of a crazy few. That you go and add on with the "socialist" tag pretty much underlines that. Typical behavior for a wingnut, but it`s to be expected.

    And you may care about your fellow countrymen, as long as they`re of your tribe. American Muslims? It`s pretty obvious you don`t care much for them at all. And of course you`ve NEVER said anything bad about people who live in NYC, right?

    You want to try to justify your bigotry. I don`t accept that. So, yeah, I don`t think you have anything reasonable to add. And no, I don`t respect you either. At least we can agree on that

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