Global Warming: Still Think It`s A Myth? [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Funny

"See! See! I told you!"
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Male 112
That hunk of ice looks like a mushroom cloud.
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Male 17,511
Puddingbrood: You obviously haven`t even looked at either of them, They are highly scientific with referenced sources to peer reviewed & published science. I suggest you stick to the sandbox, Because you`re not mentally out of diapers yet.
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Male 75
CrakrJak, you`re linking us those unreliable websites because there are no scientific websites that don`t support the global warming theory. Except if you count the biased articles from newspapers in the US.
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Male 165
Wohoo.. ur kids gonna love their time in the college when they freezing lyk dinosaurs ^.^
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Male 719
A good rule of thumb: If somebody uses the word "Darwinism," then they don`t understand evolution or how it works.
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Female 109
xKiesix: I don`t think you understand the concept of Darwinism, don`t throw about big words and think it gets you credibility.
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Male 12,138
[quote]I will continue driving my car to work and my kids to school and NOT pay the extra 50 cents a month to recycle cause I`m saving money for them to go to college. [/quote]
Wow.... just wow.
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Male 17
Not a myth. A religion. Of the Left.
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Male 425
I don`t think you should use the word Darwinsim; you clearly don`t understand what it means.
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Female 448
Also, climate change is a natural occurrence anyways. Dinosaurs, mammoths, and the likes faced the hardship of climate change and eventually died out because it`s called "Darwinism". I believe most liberals agree with that statement, which makes me wonder why they cry like little girls every time they see it in action.
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Female 448
madduck...if you really think so, you might want to consider lifting yourself off the face of the earth. It`s probably better for everyone involved.

I, on the other hand, still have a job and will continue to not care about what annoying middle-aged hippies say. Really, do you even have kids? Or a significant other for that matter? And no, trees are not included.

No matter what you claim is fact (without any references mind you), I will continue driving my car to work and my kids to school and NOT pay the extra 50 cents a month to recycle cause I`m saving money for them to go to college.
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Male 425
[i]"Scientists do agree on most important aspects and tend to accept the most probable theories as such, but are far from being all-agreeing."[/i]

That depends what statement you are applying it to. If it is to the statements "climate change is occurring" and "man made greenhouse gas emissions are a significant contributor to this", then there is overwhelming scientific support for these statements, and no credible refutation. There are granted many issues that don`t have everyone agreeing (e.g. albedo effects identified in the IPCC 4th assessment). However for the above two statements there is strong evidence and agreement across the scientific community.

[i]Also there are a lot of largely unsupported hypotheses, that are perfectly valid logically, but have no way to be proven, so they just stand as ideas to be further (dis)prooven later.[/i]

I`m not sure what you`re thinking of here. Could you give an example?
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Female 8,111
Oh dear God- it is not warming / Cooling or painting sodding pink. It is human driven climate change. The science is there, we are buggering up rather fast, we need to stop. We have no right to destroy the planet we live on - our children might be needing it. We are an inconsequential species the earth can do without- we should not spoil it for others.
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Female 1,048
Has global warming overtaken religion as the newest contentious issue?? Believers vs non-believers???
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Male 193
I largely disagree on the 99% consensus part.
Scientists do agree on most important aspects and tend to accept the most probable theories as such, but are far from being all-agreeing.
Also there are a lot of largely unsupported hypotheses, that are perfectly valid logically, but have no way to be proven, so they just stand as ideas to be further (dis)prooven later.
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Male 425
"48% of Americans now believe that the seriousness of global warming is generally exaggerated, up from 41% in 2009 and 31% in 1997, when Gallup first asked the question. - Gallup 2010"

Surprising as it may seem, scientific fact is not based upon opinion polls. The average American is not a scientist, and tends to rely on the media for their knowledge (or as we have seen in this thread, empirical and local observations that ignore the global science and come to horrible conclusions).

Hell, the blame mostly lies with the picture painted in the media; i.e. "one expert says this, the other disagrees," rather than the fact that 99% of the science is consensus and it is 1% of radicals/sceptics/doubters are painted as having an equal ranking and equal scientific pedigree in the argument.
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Male 193
Lol it`s not "damage" when it`s an enviormental cycle, that has nothing to do with human activity.
Also if there are consequences - bear in mind that change in temperature is pretty slow, so if we eventually manage to find conclusive evidence it won`t be too late to react.
"Global Warming" is a hippie scam, having no scientific background whatsoever and being not very different from 2012 and The Mother Goddess garbage. I absolutely refuse to give a crap about it.
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Male 17,511
davymid: What I abhor is the scaremongering `The sky is falling` rhetoric that has been ingrained in the environmental movement since it`s inception. Sorry but I`ve heard a lot of these scares in my lifetime and none have come true, or will. Fear motivates people to do irrational things in haste. The recent `swine flu` scare is a good example, And it fizzled like a bad fart.

It has been far warmer in the past and that warmth was beneficial to mankind because it opened up more arable land and the plants grew faster. The polar bears lived through that period just fine, and so did other species.

Eventually you will see the `chicken little` predictions were false, Our children have nothing to fear but fear itself.
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Male 12,138
Crakr, you keep telling yourself whatever it is that helps you sleep at night. Doesn`t matter anyways, by the time the Arctic has an ice-free summer you`ll be an old man, who has already done your damage.

I feel sorry for my kid who is going to inherit this f*ck up, and I feel sorrier that I`m going to have to explain to her that I knew some of these guys who said it wasn`t happening.
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Male 17,511
davymid: So you attack a website`s owners, But ignore the peer reviewed science of Craig Loehle.

Should I then go and list the people funding the AGW farce ? The same people that would rake in billions from `cap & trade` legislation ? You believe they are totally unbiased and free of taint ?

48% of Americans now believe that the seriousness of global warming is generally exaggerated, up from 41% in 2009 and 31% in 1997, when Gallup first asked the question. - Gallup 2010

Out of 21 `Top Priorities` Global Warming came in dead last with only 28%. - Pew 2010

The facade has cracked and more and more people are realizing AGW is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

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Male 12,138
From their website, they have four staff members. A Chairman (Craig D. Idso), a President (Sherwood B. Idso... hint- he`s the dad), a Vice President (Keith E. Idso) and the secretarial help is one Julene M. Idso. Talk about a family business. It`s like the Von Trapps on speed.

Again, you`ll respectfully understand my sentiment of listening to the international scientific community over one American family (having said that, the Idsos have done pretty well from their business venture, ExxonMobil alone gave them 90,000 bucks. Not bad for a day`s bullsh*tting, for a family business).

Once again, I`ll choose to ignore your misinformed pseudoscientific diatribe, while watching the boats set sail from Newfoundland to the now-open North-West Passage. As I said before, stick to politics. You`re good at that. Leave the science to the scientists.
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Male 12,138
Damn, I said I was done and you went and baited me Crakr. Alright, let`s (t)roll.

The link you posted was from a site called "ScienceSkeptical". That, by itself, should raise a few alarm bells even among the most intellectually disadvantaged. One pauses to think if they`re skeptical about science when they drop by the doc`s to get their antibiotics, or if their skepticism of science precludes them from having a website on the intertubes.

Moving on from that, the original post is from "CO2 Science". Nice website. They`ve even manufactured a "Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change" which all sounds swell.
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Male 17,511
Mann’s “hockey stick” reconstruction fails without the inclusion of the unique bristlecone pine tree ring series.



Forestry expert and mathematical ecologist Craig Loehle published a reconstruction restoring the Medieval Warm Period and which suggests that our thermometer records are based in the coldest period of the last 2,000 years, relative to which we are warming. In this study, eighteen 2000-year-long series were obtained that were not based on tree ring data. It was reconstructed from a variety of sources, including ice cores and sediment.
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Male 17,511
Davy: So your claim is that the medieval warm period is merely a `European` artifact ?

Then why does it show up `Globally` ? Global Medieval Warm Period

Face it Davy, Mann lied and he was caught.
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Male 12,138
What they DON`T say is that the first graph is for EUROPE ONLY. The second graph is for THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE OF THE PLANET. The latter is not an evolution of the former (evolution, there`s another thing you think is a lie), it`s a completely different dataset. Needless to say, the lower graph is entirely more relevant on a global scale. I also checked out the author of that article - his background is in Hygiene and Law.

Forgive me if I end this debate here, I`m spent. You keep on getting your information from right-wing political websites, I`ll choose to instead get my information from the international peer-reviewed published scientific literature in respected journals.
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Male 12,138
Anyways, out of respect, I had a read. The main gist of the article is how the IPCC lied to us, because we went from this:



Then (quoting your link here) they go on to say:

"But by the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (TAR) in 2001, things had changed somewhat.

Mann, the lead author of the TAR chapter entitled, “Observed Climate Variability and Change”, was able to prominently feature his revision of climate history in which the Medieval Warm Period vanished to make current temperatures warming seem unprecedented."

They then show this graph:

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Male 12,138
Alright Crakr. I normally wouldn`t even bother reading an article posted on a website with (amusing but predictable) links to "The Cap and Trade Death Clock", an advert showing Obama wearing a medical smock with a cross through it, the "Green Hell" Blog, and the National Association of Gun Rights. I wonder where this one`s going, hmmm? If I say predicable, see my list back on page 5 here.
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Male 17,511
Here is more information on how Micheal Mann and others invented the `hockey stick` graphs

Warning Science Content
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Male 17,511
davymid: Yeah, Global... As in the 4 trees that Mann cherry picked to misrepresent the actual data. Nice try but I`ve done my research on this.
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Male 35
"And I share the sentiment about Al Gore"

Well at least we agree on that.
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Male 35
@medieval, the Medieval warm period happened because they cut down shed loads of trees and burned them. There is no denying Greenhouse effect and how Man can influence it. My issue is I don`t believe this one is down to us. We are a Pearl flying erratically through space around a Fusion Reactor, it is bound to have way more effect on things than a bunch of prats driving cars n breathing. I think it is a money making gimmik, a TAX con. They want to reduce Co2, replant the rainforests, it`s worth every penny and helps man n beast.
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Male 12,138
Cats, your speaker is using European data only. Same message as to CJ below. As to why and how it happened, global temperature fluctuations happen all the time (today I was watching a well drilling through warm-water coral limestones into glacial tillite - I know). What is unprecedented now is the RATE of climate change. We`ve never seen it before, never in the geological record (except at the K-T boundary). And this rapid rise coincides exactly with the industrial revolution.

And I share the sentiment about Al Gore. Frankly I wish he`d never gotten involved in the bloody issue, politicians should stick to politics.
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Male 12,138
[quote]davymid: Since your graph `conveniently` omits both the medieval warm period and the little ice age, You shouldn`t go throwing `ignorance of the long-term scientific data` charge around. [/quote]
Ah, Crakr, the art of cherry-picking once again. You climate change deniers are getting good at this, whether it`s being selective with years or areal coverage.

See those key words on your graph "In Europe"? Global warming is a global phenomenon (of which Europe make up less than 7% of the total area). The clue`s in the name. Here`s the IPCC global temperature data.

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Female 525
Holy hell! Davy is a scientist? Here I thought he was an 18-year-old playing Xbox when not on IAB. Who woulda thunk it...
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Male 41,079
I`ve posted this Video a few times now, but cannot recall davymid ever responding about it, or explaining the medieval warm period, how and why that happened?
Probably davymid called the speaker`s credentials into question, but what about the data? BTW does Al Gore have a PHD? I know he invented the internets and all, lolz!
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Male 35
Talked so much I ran out of letters, LOL. You need to take what you know, and get in contact with the likes of Monkton and Jones and set them straight, no joke, if they are scare mongering for personal profit, then someone needs to stand up and tell them.
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Male 35
This is where I have issues with the Oil companies. They do nothing, putting the price of a litre of petrol helps the Oil companies make more money, helps the environment in no way. I have the same job I had 10 years ago, I do the same journey, I wast the same levels of petrol, I pollute the environment to the same levels, all I do is pay more £ to do it, what are the Oil companies doing to get rid of Fossil Fuel dependence? Saying they are to blame does nothing, except make huge profits. Public transport is going down the pan, the road systems aren`t being developed to increase flow (High gears, less waste) I don`t see anything like the creative flow of alternatives and preventatives that should be here if this is the catastrophe we are led to believe it is. In fact, to say they have dragged their heels over three decades is an understatement.
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Male 17,511
davymid: Since your graph `conveniently` omits both the medieval warm period and the little ice age, You shouldn`t go throwing `ignorance of the long-term scientific data` charge around.

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Male 12,138
Buxton, I don`t mind you asking at all. I`m a geologist with a PhD (in large part) in palaeoecology. I`ve been working in oil & gas exploration for the past 7 years or so, much of it with Shell. Apart from looking for new hydrocarbon deposits, I was a prominent member of their CCS division (carbon capture and sequestration), because, you know, oil companies think man-made climate change is a big deal and are spending billions trying to minimise the damage. Which should set some alarm bells ringing... if OIL COMPANIES of all people are holding their hands up to man-made climate change, then I for one (were I outside the bubble) would be sitting up and taking notice...

[quote] for every graph showing it is getting hotter there is a graph to show the opposite[/quote]
Not the case. Crakrjak`s graphs are real, they really are. They fit into the little green line on my graph which is the last 10 years or so. Crakr`s presented data sit within my presented data.
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Male 35
Davymid, if you don`t mind me asking, and feel free to say no. What are you in terms of Science and where do you work/study and what areas of climate change are you involved in? Or who do you know, that you have 100% faith in their integrity as a Climate advocate?
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Male 35
@CrakrJak, that is the problem, for every graph showing it is getting hotter there is a graph to show the opposite, Polar Bear communities, average temps.......and on and on and on. So who do you believe. There is only so long you can believe mainstream Science, with no result to say they are right. Sea levels aren`t rising, coastlines aren`t vanishing, the Summers are no hotter and drier nor are the Winters colder and wetter. At some point people have to start thinking "This could be what the crackpots say it is" Global Tax! Once the UK Coast Lines vanish under water, once the Thames Barrier is in place 24/7 and once I have a tan 10 months a year, I am on here saying "I am a Moron that knew nothing and we are doomed" until then.......I reserve my right to seek alternative theories.
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Male 12,138
[quote]It has been getting colder, Quit denying that fact. [/quote]
I see that I`m clearly not getting through. Your graphs conveniently start at 1998. I refer you my my "little green line" graph below.

The data you present is at best an ignorance of the long-term scientific data, at worst a deliberate outright misrepresention. A lie.
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Male 35
The voice of science has been lost because far too many of them have no integrity. And you should care what Al Gore says, he is the front man, the haircut, the suit and the smile. He and his kind are the guys that sway public opinion, not the guy that spends half his life plotting graphs. And if he lies, the majority believe it. If you know it is true, get a website and get the word out. Be the Scientist that brings back the voice. This is what we need, people interested in facts not grants.
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Female 4,376
YAY CUTE BEAR
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Male 17,511




It has been getting colder, Quit denying that fact.

Davy: It`s been a lot hotter in the past and a lot cooler too. The medieval warm period helped spur the renaissance and pull the western world out of the dark ages.
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Male 12,138
Buxton, with due respect, I couldn`t give a monkey`s about Al Gore, or any other politicial. As I said before, I`m a scientist, I listen to scientific evidence, nothing more, nothing less. It`s a real shame that the voice of science has been lost/hijacked amongst the political hubris.
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Male 35
See, but you post NASA data, if this is a lie, then NASA are going to be a major contributor to the lie. I don`t buy into any of the data, I go off what I see going on around me. The weather pattern of the UK haven`t changed, it isn`t getting Hotter or Colder, it just cycles. Now if a bozo like me, with no Science training has already figured this out before I`d heard of any of these people, is it just a fluke? Like I said, if you take the mainstream stance, fine, I aint trying to change your mind, and if your right, then this lot will be found out for the nutcases they are, and if not, watch half your wage fly down the shi**er whilst the Al Gores of this world make Billions, have a Carbon Footprint that dwarfs the rest of us and buy Beach front houses.
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Male 10,338
All I know is this post is about polar bears and their population is growing, soooooo.
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Male 35
@davymid, sorry, I read that back and it sounds like I am getting a bit agro with you, I am not. I just want people to keep an open mind. I don`t believe in man made Global Warming, I think it is a TAX con, mainly cos I already figured it out before I had ever heard of a Monkton or a Jones, they confirmed what I already suspected. But if you wanna go with the mainstream view, only one of us will end up with Egg on our faces. I just wish, if it is true, they would do more than hiking Petrol prices, we all still do the same journeys and pump out the same fumes, just pay more to do it.
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Male 12,138
I won`t bother going into his lack of geological understanding of volcanogenic feedback systems in "snowball earth" conditions in geological past, or the phenomenal rate of climate change since the industrial revolution which is unprecidented in earth`s geological history. I`ll even brush over his pointing to the AREAL EXTENT of the north polar ice-cap as being relatively constant over the last few years, while completely ignoring the THICKNESS and therefore overall volume of ice at the pole, which is decreasing precipititously.
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Male 12,138
I’m not just saying that, either. The Associated Press just finished conducting an interesting test in which they gave global temperature trend data to four different statisticians. In order to remove the possibility of biased judging, they didn’t tell the statisticians it was temperature data; they removed temperature unit labels, just leaving the numbers themselves in a trend over time. The results of this “blind” analysis?

"Statisticians who analyzed the data found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set. The ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880... If you look at the data and cherry pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect", said John Grego, Professor of Statistics at the U of South Carolina. "It is deceptive to say there is Global Cooling".
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Male 12,138
As an example, to pick up on just ONE of his bullsh*t claims, Monckton states that Global Warming is false as there has been a "global cooling" trend over the last 10 years. That`s actually true, if you pick your data carefully enough. From NASA`s Goddard Institute:



See the little green line? Global Cooling! How carefully do you have to pick your dots to make “global cooling” appear? Very carefully indeed. This line connects 1998 and 2008. But if you connect 1998 and 2007, you’ll get a flat line. And if you go back to 1997, you get global warming all over again. 1998 is a very important year for global warming denial, since it is an outlier and therefore allows all sorts of line drawing that wouldn’t otherwise be possible. But no matter how many little green lines you draw, you just can’t counter the larger trend of global warming.
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Male 12,138
vv Buxton, I have watched it actually. In return, I ask you to watch THIS and THIS.

Just about everything he claims is bull. Bear in mind he`s not privy to some secret knowledge. It`s all about how one INTERPRETS those data. Which is where scientific training is entirely relevant. Bear in mind here that Monckton has zero.
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Female 2,927
poor bear
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Male 35
No I don`t, the "So Called" pros have already been caught out lying to us! I said don`t take it as law and keep an open mind and Gov DO lie. I will also assume you haven`t watched it and so know who he is (you haven`t had time to watch it) Being a Pro Scientist means nothing, absolutely nothing, all that matters is what side you take and your position. You are telling me a PHD means you wont lie for cash? Humans are Humans. They are greedy and liars. Well we shall see who is right, so far I see no difference in yearly Cycles, they are Wet/Cold then Hot/Dry. I don`t need a lab or a white, I just lived through it.
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Male 12,138
Monckton is a snake-oil salesman at best, or at worst, a complete kook. Ironically enough, he has been spouting recently that he has discovered a cure for AIDS, and also multiple sclerosis, the flu, and even the common cold. I mean really, you couldn`t make this stuff up.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Watch all five parts, I am not saying this guy is law, I aint saying believe every word he says, but set aside a bit of time, and just listen, and keep an open mind. [/quote]

As a professional scientist, it`s generally good practice to ascertain the scientific credentials of one espousing a theory, especially if that theory flies in the face of the vast amount of mainstream science. If that person`s scientific credentials are sound, then maybe they`re worth listening to, which can makea fundamental step-change in the way we think of science. This is how science works.

Monckton`s qualifications? A BA in Classics, and an MA in Journalism. Now, you`ll forgive me if I take the word of thousands of PhD Climatologists over a media hack with absolutely zero education in science. Must try harder mate, if you want people to take you seriously.
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Female 497
Awww. This saddens me immensely D`=
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Male 35
Can you truncate links? Add /watch?v=JBQYlIikLBM after Youtube.com

Watch all five parts, I am not saying this guy is law, I aint saying believe every word he says, but set aside a bit of time, and just listen, and keep an open mind. Cos Governments DO have a tendency to lie! And pay attention to the part where he says he talks for free and Al Gore charges hundreds of thousands, not the attitude of a man that cares in my opinion.
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Female 1,435
thats not a ice block hes on its a jet blast of water and hes floating on top of it. duh
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Male 2,893
GLOBAL WARMING IS STILL A MYTH!!
That polar bear should evolve and build a boat.
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Male 35
People still buying into Global Warming, sorry Climate Change as they now call it, or, seasons as they used to be known. Yeah, Al Gore is so worried about sea levels rising he just bought a house on the beach, to add to his already gigantic carbon footprint he already has from his other houses. Get a grip people before they tax the Hell out of you in the name of fantasy. And you can find as many studies saying Polar Bear groups have increased over the last 30 years as say they have dropped. In the same way you can`t find any new on coastlines that have flooded due to all the ice that has melted over the last 30 years. This years Polar Thaw happened later than it has ever happened before on the back of one of the harshest Winters on record, but then, it`s all Climate Change, Hot, Cold, Wet, Dry, Still, Windy........TAX TAX TAX TAX!
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Male 537
OMG! Polar bears and ice!!! Someone, quick! Make a global warming comment! Call Rush Limbah! Call Al Gore!!

Idiots... why do you allow yourselves to be trolled by IAB?
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Male 84
poor inoccent polar bear, hes probably scared of the photogrpher
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Male 39
@hammerdrop:
no i am not an expert on polar bear populations, but if you had actually read what i`d written, it is that POLAR BEARS ARE MERELY BEING USED AS A SIGN OF GLOBAL WARMING. global warming is man made and is happening - polar bear populations are related in some aspect to this, but i really don`t think that they are the main reason why we need to help reverse the effects of climate change.

this thread drating depresses me. so many stupid people.
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Male 10,338
@froggy buster:

If nature wants to flood NYC, NYC will flood. Regardless if we do nothing, or if we voluntarily go back to the stone age.
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Male 14
What`s really sad is that people don`t understand the basic concept that polar bears can swim, and when they stop swimming, they float.
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Male 8
And this is all that remains of the arctic
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Male 6
Iceshroom.
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Male 806
crap i missed announcing my 600th post because im that awesome i can do that so.....


HOORAY FOR 600 POSTS!
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Male 806
awwww :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
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Male 122
What people don`t understand is that the climate is changing, and unless we act we *could* be making it so much worse. Let`s see, which is better.... spending a little bit of GDP, or watching NY get flooded. Which would cost more than the amount of money spent if we acted now. It is a stupid American gung ho moronic attitude to to think that it is unnecessary to take precautions now. In hockey, do you put all of your players in thier half, because they `might not` score? No! So get a grip you yankee scum. (note that not all yankees are scum ;-p)
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Male 191
also everyones comment aside in this picture it shows a Polar Bear on ice. Everyone does realize that we are at the end of the last ice age right?
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Female 72
"OH poo."
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Female 40
he wins king of the mountain
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Female 434
Also who`s to say the climate change is man made? What about the facts that all the crap we`ve spewn into the air is but a drop in the bucket compared to what a volcano can do in 5 minutes. Did people forget there was a global cooling 30-40 years ago, now a global warming and then when they got caught in their own BS they changed it to Global Climate change?
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Female 434
I`m so sick of pictures of polar bears appearing abandoned as proof of global warming. They actually can swim pretty far when looking for food.
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Male 1,929
To be honest I was just flicking through, but I`m so offended at the notion that one picture proves anything that i`m going to have to comment and say so.
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Male 820
"Again, i reiterate that the IPCC 4th assessment report could not use stronger scientific language to state man made climate change is occurring."
Bought and paid for.
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Male 10,338
Things humans do that can affect the weather:

All fart at once.
All use a full can of hairspray, at once.
Detonate all nuclear weapons, at once.
See the pattern?

Things humans can do that do not affect the weather:

Live normally!
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Male 10,338
This wins the award for the most re-posted `shop of all time!
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Male 425
Suicism; so you respond to Davy with am ad hominem attack on his background? I cant speak for his credentials, but i can speak for mine seeing as we are of similar view... I am a doctoral researcher afilliated with the Walker Institute for climate change research. It`s not directly my area (my research interests are more to do with renewables), but I still have a strong background knowledge of climate change.  

Again, i reiterate that the IPCC 4th assessment report could not use stronger scientific language to state man made climate change is occurring. 
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Male 683
If you mean does the globe warm up and therefore cooldown over time due to fluctuations yes i do believe, if on the other hand do i think that a load of half assed research done mostly by people with adgendas who are willing to squew evidence to convince sheep then im going to have to go with a no. have a nice day i know i will
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Male 129
personally ive never liked polar bears anyway
plus whats wrong with a bit of nice weather now and again, i love a bit of son.
nah just kiddin, glogal warmings a really issue....PHSYCHE
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Female 28
Awwh )=

yah know people who took pictues could HAVE helped >.>

if they say circle of Life ...que se vaya par carajo eso ~.~
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Male 207
It`s funny how all the trolls come out to play on a post like this. IAB what were you thinking? We`ve all seen this picture before.
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Male 17,511
davymid: Even the scientific community has an agenda and when their leaders shout down skeptics that possess valid scientific evidence they are no better than any politician or media pundit.

AGW, Is dieing fast. The climate is much more complex and driven mainly by factors not under the control of human beings.
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Male 6,693
Good ole Al Gore. He said it so it must be true. lol.
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Male 4,290
I hear you 5Cats, but there`s also plenty of ways to reduce your impact and actually save yourself money at the same time. One of the easiest is getting into the habit of using less electricity and heating. A huge amount of fossil fuels are used to provide the baseline electricity demand for first-world countries. If we can reduce that baseline demand through a little self-discipline we can reduce the need for quite as much fossil fuels.

What NOT to do is those stupid "Everyone turn their lights off for an hour" publicity stunts. All they do is run the risk of crashing the power grid.
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Male 229
"Weather is cyclical. It has hot times, and it has cold times. The fact that humans think we can affect the global environment is just arrogance."

The fact that humans think they can`t affect the global environment is just ignorance.
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Well, since we seem to be approaching a `solar minimum` where Sunspots are at a low-cycle and thus global temperatures will drop for the next decade or three, I think we should be THANKFUL for AGW in mitigating this cooling trend!
[quote">Nobody this pompous could get by without at least a few noteworthy credentials to back up their hubris[/quote">

Oh yeah? What about ME! lolz!

What many anti-AGW people object to is the politics of it all. Sure there`s science to show one thing, but the politicians are telling us something VERY different, and reaching for our wallets as they do so. SO far all the `plans to combat AGW` sound exactly like `plans to steal your money and give it to our friends, all the while making things worse on purpose to keep stealing your money until the NEXT global crisis comes along`.
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Male 2,552
There`s another word for this "climate change" people keep talking about... it`s called WEATHER.

Weather is cyclical. It has hot times, and it has cold times. The fact that humans think we can affect the global environment is just arrogance.
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Male 395
@a1butcher I`m just presenting the facts as we know them.

Large mammal populations are not the best proxy for climate change.
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Male 151
the thing that makes me sad is to think that thousands of barrels of oil are being pumped into the sea just of mexico every day and when oil is such a precious natural resource it is being wasted so easily. its been over 50 days since it started but still it continues.
on a whole this planet is pretty f*cked
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Male 18
This picture is irrelevant to the situation at hand. so No No you didn’t `tell me so`
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Female 32
nawwwwwwww, poor polar bear
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Male 349
I don`t see why we`re all wasting out time debating whether it`s man made or a natural cycle, although the evidence is substantial, and Aquaeous has put it more clearly than I would have. Rather than working out who to blame, and trying to plug the holes in the sinking submarine with wads of newspaper we should be busy building underground bunkers and mushroom factories and genetically modifying unborn babies to adapt ourselves for our life as moles, licking the nutritious bacteria from the walls of our subterranean cities. imho.
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Male 425
This appears to be a debate ending amicably on the internet. How odd. :D
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Male 3,631
Well thank you so much Aquaeous for providing some approximate context to the scientific language of this report, and even a degree to which economic concerns may be addressed in the long run. As for you Davy - I believe you man. Nobody this pompous could get by without at least a few noteworthy credentials to back up their hubris ;-)
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Male 425
A final note on terminology:

The IPCC has very careful prescribed definitions on language such as "Very likely", "likely" etc.

Can`t remember the definitions off the top of my head, but I believe it is something like "more than 95% probabilistic".
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Male 425
Suicism,

I think the crux of what I am saying is the following:

- Yes, there are natural cooling and warming cycles independent of mans actions.

- However, mans actions have a clear and very significant overlaying impact that cannot be explained by natural cycles.

- This is not to say that there will not be areas of local climate change that buck the trend. However, globally there is a trend of temperature increase.

- Climate change will happen, and there is nothing we can do to stop it, even if our emissions went down to zero today. BUT, we can restrict the level of the temperature rise by bringing down GHG emissions.

- Regarding mitigating vs adapting to climate change, the Stern review of the economics of climate change is conclusive that paying now to mitgate as much climate change as possible is the best solution. Adaptation will have to occur too, but prevention was found to be significantly cheaper than doing nothing.
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Male 12,138
[quote]You profess to be a scientist? In which field? And if not one by trade but rather by disposition...[/quote]
Not getting further into the discussion on climate change, but just to answer the specific question: I`m a geoscientist working in the field of oil and gas exploration. Eight years with Shell. My qualifications are a first class honours degree in geoscience and a PhD in same. If I REALLY wanted to be an ass, my username would be DrDavymid.

Of course, this is the internet and anyone can say any old sh*t they want to. I`m actually telling the truth.
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Male 3,631
I might need to retract this next statement Aquaeous if you can provide me with a more specific reference, but I`m kind of having a correlative moment here myself - the whole impetus behind anti-global warming initiatives seems very reminiscent to me of, banally, the Pascal Wager.
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Though if you could provide a link to the particular crux of your argument, that would be helpful - all I`m finding so far is that they believe the increase in average global temperature (since roughly the time Davy pointed out) is VERY LIKELY due to "the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."
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Male 3,631
"Suicism; so you respond to Davy with am ad hominem attack on his background?"

Sorry, it was not meant as an ad-hominem (funny, that was part of the subject of my post!) I`d overlooked his statement about being a professional scientist. If I`d read that, I certainly wouldn`t have questioned a statement of such gravity. I should probably have addressed this oversight sooner.

In addition, thanks for providing something that amounts to more than superficially attempting to connect two things with a correlative relationship as if that were enough to make them causal.
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Male 425
Suicism; so you respond to Davy with am ad hominem attack on his background? I cant speak for his credentials, but i can speak for mine seeing as we are of similar view... I am a doctoral researcher afilliated with the Walker Institute for climate change research. It`s not directly my area (my research interests are more to do with renewables), but I still have a strong background knowledge of climate change.  

Again, i reiterate that the IPCC 4th assessment report could not use stronger scientific language to state man made climate change is occurring. 
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Besides (as any other actual argument I`ve made to you has gone unaddressed, perhaps due to your volume of respondents), simply because we`ve observed a sharp increase in this warming trend since a particular time in our economic evolution, doesn`t itself secure a causal relationship between that and the environment`s evolution. However, I will concede that to whatever degree we may reduce the emission of man-made gases known to deplete the Earth`s environmentally-shielding O-zone layer would probably be a step in the right direction (worldwide economic collapse aside).
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Male 258
The problem is, science has been co-opted by governments to help them achieve their own ends. Of course, for a long, long time science has been funded by various industries to help get the point across that although they may spill heavy metals into the environment, ACTUALLY it`s GOOD for the wildlife. Honest.
But governments are a whole different bag of rabid weasels. Corporations will usually just lie to you to sell their products, governments will lie to you to ensure you obey the rules and stop asking awkward questions. Oh, and to sell you stuff and make you go and fight people with different gods/coloured skin/clothing/cultures/taste in music etc.
As far as I`m aware, the concensus amongst atmospheric scientists, climatologists and meteorologists (ie the ones who`s speciality this subject should be) is not as one sided as people are led to believe.
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Male 3,631
And it is in this state of smug self-satisfaction you couldn`t be more vulnerable to having your own hand-woven rug ripped right out from under you. So congratulations! You ARE an ass.
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Male 3,631
I`d have to second that Davy. The reason you sound like an ass is not only because of the last comment you made, but statements like `Have a cookie!` when no such sarcasm is warranted (admitted or not). Then you don`t even bother to address the article referenced (unless that`s what you`re doing right now, in which case I retract). You profess to be a scientist? In which field? And if not one by trade but rather by disposition, then you should be familiar with logical fallacies. And when it comes to logical fallacies, one of the first on the list is the ad-hominem attack - dismissing an opponent`s argument on the basis of something which may be employed to attack them personally, or in the interest of mocking them rather than addressing it. I`ve been chasing you around these forums employing precisely the same strategy not only because you`ve patently called it upon yourself, but because I know in the back of your mind you`re thinking the same thing about me!
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Male 258
But Davy, are you not one of those people who`s job it is to go and look for all these carefully locked away sources of carbon so that we can carelessly burn them to power our 200 inch plasma TVs during the world cup? SO can we start blaming you, or is this one of those Hollywood style `bringing the establishment down from the inside` thingys?
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Male 191
science is pointing in one direction my ass!
I don`t think we`ll know weather this is natural or not for about a couple hundred years. At that point if we don`t see a decrease in temperture we`ll know somethings wrong we should start making adjustments now anyway of course. Also weather or not global warming exists isn`t the real problem at the moment what we shuold be focused on is our polution
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Male 3,631
Finally!
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Male 12,138
[quote](me being an ass) Don`t worry Davymid - we`re used to it.[/quote]
Oi! I heard that! ;-)
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Male 12,138
[quote]As I said before, If it was real then why did Gore and his buddies sell all their stock in the carbon credit companies they started ?[/quote]
Crackrjak, you`re more of a political animal than I am. As I stated previously, I don`t give a monkey`s about "Gore and his buddies". I`m a scientist. Pure and simple. And science is all pointing in one direction.

I would respectfully suggest that you spend more time listening to the scientific community, and less time watching the polictically-spun news media with their agenda, whatever the leaning.

Again, with respect, you`re seeing media-manufactured boogy-men where there are none. And yet you call people like me "brainwashed". Hmmm.
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Male 3,631
Don`t worry Davymid - we`re used to it.
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Male 17,511
davymid: There was much more to `Climategate` than a few e-mails. Their data was suspect as well.

Then there are also all these and the list of AGW scandals keeps . growing

As I said before, If it was real then why did Gore and his buddies sell all their stock in the carbon credit companies they started ?
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Male 12,138
Sorry for sounding like an ass, but this kind of hubris is fodder to the scientifically illiterate.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Global warming and cooling is a natural occurrence in our planet`s history. [/quote]
Well done you! Have a cookie. There are coal deposits in Antarctica, which could only have formed in tropical conditions! Therefore man-made climate change is a lie! /sarcasm

What is unprecedented is the RATE of climate change which we`ve experienced since the industrial revolution. It`s a rollercoaster on the plunge. Like Aqueous, I`ll spare the graphs.

As for so-called "Climategate" (nice touch by the media, stick "gate" on the end of anything and it sells!), as Aqueous said those were a few lines from a dozen or so emails taken from an email bank of thousands.

Carefully selected one-liner excerpts such as "trick" and "hide the decline" resonate deeply with the general public, when taken out of context of the actual discussion taking place.
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Male 371
I love polar bears
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Male 107
this is a like, 10 year old picture. Son, I am disappoint.
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Male 425
"Anyone remember "climategate"? Global warming isn`t as "completely undeniable" as you think."

By the gist of your post I`m guessing you read the headline of "climategate" but never explored the story. Despite the obvious media storm surrounding the IPCC research (who within the media can resist painting a picture of controversy!), the actual emails that were "leaked" were subsequently fully released along with the data for scrutiny. Wondering why there wasn`t a big follow up to the scandal? Because it checked out. The climategate stuff refers to a few old emails, which, if you actually read, are pretty tame and drawn out of context.

Man made climate change is one of the strongest areas of consensus in the scientific community, and its significance relative to natural cycles is huge. Don`t make me get the graphs out on this one... :P
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Male 161
Global warming and cooling is a natural occurrence in our planet`s history.

A study by MIT
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Female 654
thats very smart davymid..i can totally agree with that
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Female 654
even without man made climate warming, its still normal to expect global warming, just not as fast as it naturally occured in the past. the whole global warming thing is a hard issue. i believe scientists can figure something out to "chill it out" until a longer termed solution is found, but that doesnt mean we should be going crazy with pollution and letting our cows fart like men in on a taco bell binge. the issue is how to balance it all out
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Male 12,138
Bear in mind here I don`t give a f*ck about politicians or their agendas. I`m afraid the voice of we professional scientists is being lost in the furore of the political theatre.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Well, before global warming people were freaking out about global cooling. They thought the greenhouse gases were keeping out heat and eventually another Ice Age would occur. Obviously, we see it is now wrong, maybe global warming is a myth too?[/quote]
And before that, medical science thought that human health was controlled by the four humours of blood, phlegm, black bile and yellow bile. Science is allowed to change its mind. It`s SUPPOSED to change it`s mind, that`s how science works. We have vast better quality data, computer modelling, advancements in climatological science theory than we could even have dreamed of 20-30 years ago. It is an extrememly weak argument against man-made climate change to say "but decades ago they thought THAT, so why should we trust scientists on THIS!"
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Male 12,138
[quote]How much C02 and methane do you think that icelandic volcano spewed? how about st. helens?[/quote]
Volcanos don`t spew any methane. Zero. Methane is many many times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

[quote]Good job stereotyping Davymid.[/quote]
I`m just going on genuine personal experience.

[quote]Yeah, lets all drive hybrids, that`ll fix it.[/quote]
No-one`s saying that will fix it, and frankly it`s probably a very inefficient use of money and resources to TRY to fix it (there are more pressing needs in the world right now, that can be fixed more rapidly and at much greater cost efficiency than reversing man-made damage to the planet`s climate). I`m just baffled at the reticence of many people to acknowledge that it`s even real, despite the fact that the international scientific community says it is. Like I said, a bit baffling.
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Male 314
Well, before global warming people were freaking out about global cooling. They thought the greenhouse gases were keeping out heat and eventually another Ice Age would occur. Obviously, we see it is now wrong, maybe global warming is a myth too?
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Male 221
Good job stereotyping Davymid.
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Male 221
aribowman, you are totally right, and thanks for realizing it! volcanoes produce about 95% of all green house gasses

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Male 64
Anyone remember "climategate"? Global warming isn`t as "completely undeniable" as you think. I personally think that the climate is changing, but it`s not man made. How much C02 and methane do you think that icelandic volcano spewed? how about st. helens?

Yeah, lets all drive hybrids, that`ll fix it.
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Male 905
patches of ice they **rest** on rather
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Male 905
"Don`t the bears know how to swim? I think it would be kind of stupid to not know how if you`re surrounded by water."

They know how to swim, but swimming for miles on end is understandably tiring. The distance between patches of ice they melt on is apparently increasing lately. Drowned polar bears. At least thats what I`ve been taught.
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Male 4,807
But is it man made, Davy.
That is the question. o_O
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Male 12,138
I`m not interpreting anything from this, just pointing out an observed correlation. I can understand the association between many features on this list, but the strong denial of global warming baffles me. I genuinely don`t understand it.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Anyone who doesn`t believe in global warming at this point is like an ostrich with it`s head in the sand. I`m pretty sure these are the same people who also believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed.[/quote]
I`ve noticed that too. In fact, based on personal experience, the most outspoken deniers of global warming, and specifically that it is IN ANY WAY caused by human activity, usually display many or all of the following characteristics:

*American
*Right-Wing Conservative, often a tea-party supporter.
*Believer in ID/Creationism (same thing), disbelieve evolution.
*Supporter of gun ownership.
*Strongly religious Christian.
*Against gay marriage rights.
*Limited or no international travel/work experience.
*Have no scientific qualifications whatsoever.
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Male 4,807
Shnard-dog... Global warming yes...."Man made" Not really.
If it is man made, then lets just throw tons of $$ at the problem and buy some carbon credits. That should take care of it, eh?

We should really be focusing on the problem from the last decade... Asteroids. Remember that big scary thing that was going to wipe out mankind not to long ago?

Yea, didnt think so
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Male 229
Anyone who doesn`t believe in global warming at this point is like an ostrich with it`s head in the sand. I`m pretty sure these are the same people who also believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed.
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Male 158
polar bears swim a poo load and they rest on patches of ice
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Male 4,807
Fact 6)They eat seals but also enjoy the occasional WHALE!!




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Male 251
FACT 3) Median temperature effects are sustaining increased levels despite decreased solar energy input.

FACT 4) Polar bears survived the latest "warm" period in the arctic relatively soon after they had adapted to cooler conditions, during a period where there was negligible human activity (for the most part, none at all) in the regions they inhabit. Their allele adaptations and genetic characteristic expressions have had much more time to solidify than they had previously, likely resulting in a decreased recombination ability (less adaptive qualities); coupled with human interference, they`re in a much more precarious spot than they were before.

FACT 5) Polar bears make a great umbrella species, and that is one clever photo :D
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Female 1,199
I don`t know if Global Warming is real or not, but regardless of that I think it`s good to practice being green. It`s something me and my family has done for quite a long time just by recycling, reserving energy, and doing a bunch of other easy little things here and there (hey we`re Oregonian, what do you expect?)...
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Male 312
yeah, what about the land thats right behind the photographer, There was a big controversy over this pic, it was taken as an art piece, and the artist was all like, "there was land like 50 feet away...
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a1butcher
If I were a polar bear, I`d hunt the peeps drating up my home too.
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Male 4,807
TheNineXXX.. To bad some of those stats are 16 years outdated.

"Baffin Bay
Population estimate for 2004 is simulated from vital rates measured in 1997"

Simulated? Yea that sounds almost like a Physical Count to me.
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FACT 1) Arctic temperatures have been considerably warmer in the past and polar bears survived those periods.

FACT 2) The polar bear is the largest land carnivore and has a reputation as the only animal that actively HUNTS HUMANS.


Yes boys and girls.. those are FACTS!
They WILL survive the global warming "boogy man" and THEY WILL hunt us down!!
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Male 395
@Hammerdrop - Actually if you have a look at the data you will see that of the 19 populations only one is increasing; eight are declining, three are stable and the rest are undetermined.

Source: IUCN/SSC Polar Bear Specialist Group (2009), Available at: http://pbsg.npolar.no/en/status/status-table.html
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Female 635
Polar Bear just wants to know why that guy is taking a photo. Help, photo man! I`m on an ice chunk!

Wow, that sounded cooler in my head.
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Male 25,416
is that real?
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Female 467
hes havin sex with it duh
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Male 199
sorry for the double post, we seriously need an edit feature here, unless I still haven`t found it yet >.<

anywho... @iajukesy, if you`ve looked up the actual numbers, which I seriously doubt you have, you`d know that there are about 19 primary "populations" of polar bears, and that only 2 populations are decreasing in size, all the others are increasing. Not only that, but in the two areas where the populations are dwindling, the temperature is actually decreasing.
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ninjobear
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Male 26
Don`t the bears know how to swim? I think it would be kind of stupid to not know how if you`re surrounded by water.
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Male 199
This image is well known to simply show a polar bear at play, not "stranded for its life", the original photographer has come out and specifically said that all this was was a polar bear having fun... yeesh.
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Male 2,085
up yours dumass, it was taken in August. nice try
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Female 22
Kaagan: I believe it`s Man-Bear-Pig
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Male 734
So what exactly does this image prove? It`s already been debunked all over the place that this is nothing but a marketing gimmick and has no bearing on anything.
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Male 591
There is no controversy over global warming due to human activity. There are only people who believe the science, and people who do not believe.
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Female 2,509
ahem, climate change (Thank you Mr. Obama)
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Male 291
Global warming is real, the Earth has been warming and cooling for millions and millions of years. In fact, we are just emerging from a mini ice-age
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Male 1,627
bear-pig-man is causing global warming
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Male 378
Yep
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Male 134
"Put the dam camera down and come help me..."
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, I don`t think that anyone (sensible) is thinking that the big deal with climate change is that polar bears are (or are not) suffering. We`re worried about it because it might potentially hurt us humans.

That being said, I`m not entirely sure what I believe when it comes to global warming. I don`t think I understand it fully at all. Everything I read about it seems to contradict something else I`ve read. However, it seems that trying to be economical with energy is generally a good thing in any case, so I will just try that.
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Male 18
drat polar bears. We should use flamethrowers on all the bits of ice that are left.
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Male 1,135
Yes, I still think Global Warming is myth because it is.
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Male 1,793
Global warming is real...
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Female 3,828
I think global warming is real. I also think that just because polar bear numbers are increasing, doesnt mean global warming is reversing.
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Male 642
what a wimp.. ice bears can swim.. and that pretty good
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Male 23
Wow, a picture as old as the internet.
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Male 2,748
*agrees with splurbyburbl*
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Male 490
Wow.

Global warming *ISN`T* a myth. It is happening.
The debate among the environmental science community isn`t whether it`s occurring, but what caused it and whether we should act upon it.

This picture, however, is not due to global warming most likely. It`s just meant to be humorous.

(The globe has warmed a few degrees. It`s only expected to warm a few more degrees. We aren`t looking at the melting of icecaps, but moreso the melting of crucial glaciers and disturbances in ecosystems/ecological balance.
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Male 877
i never thought it was a myth...the myth is that its man made imo...
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Male 4,867
Al Gore invented the internet, then he invented Global Warming, we cant dispute Global Warming on the internet or Mr Gore will take it away from us.
true fact ^
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Male 4,807
iajukesy..."some people need a punch right in the testes. just to stop them breeding."

Well, that certainly would take care of the "man made" part of global warming.

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Male 2,796
Global Warming is the biggest scam since organized religion
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Male 39
come on you tit bags. i dont care if polar bears can swim 15-20 miles.
firstly, that means they can`t swim to land 25 miles away. obvious.
also, i dont think drowning is the cause for concern - let`s be real. it`s the destruction of their habitat, food chain and environemt.
ALSO, polar bear numbers may be increasing in SOME REGIONS. the figures have probably been warped in the same way that some data is selectively used from the `Copenhagen side`.
finally, polar bears are merely a popular representation of a much greater problem in man-made global warming. if their populations are increasing, that DOES NOT mean man-made global warming is a myth.
pooting hell. some people need a punch right in the testes. just to stop them breeding.
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Male 418
but Mr. Gore said this is what Antarctica looks like right now... so it must be true :/
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Male 4,807
Propaganda photo.

CrakrJak is right, polar bears numbers are on the increase vvv
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Male 820
Man, it`s a shame polar bears can`t swim...oh, wait.
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Male 17,511
Mitchell Taylor a 30 year polar bear expert was told his research on the growing polar bear population was `unhelpful` and was barred from Copenhagen`s global warming conference.
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Male 17,511
It`s part of a hoax people, The bear(s) are not in danger. They are excellent swimmers that can easily swim 15-20 miles at a time. Polar bears are so aquatic in nature and spend so much time in it, their paws are partially webbed. Polar Bear Info

Similar photos have already been used as AGW propaganda and have been debunked Video

The bears are fine and their numbers are growing. Mitchell Taylor a 30 year polar bear expert was told his research on the growing pol
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Male 41,079
Oy vey, please tell me nobody acutally believes that picture has anything to do with AGW?
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Female 331
I laughed, and now i feel really guilty. But i`m still laughing...
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Male 1,351
It looks...emaciated compared to regular standards. Is it possible it was floating on that for days?
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Male 193
never thought it was a myth, it`s def happening, but i don`t think for a second that human`s are to blame.
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Male 519
you think its bad now wait til someone drops a match on all the oil that keeps leaking out lol.
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Male 390
thats cute and sad at the same time
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Male 363
This is just sad..
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Male 774
I don`t think it`s a myth. :|

Poor bear.
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Male 3,255
lol
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Male 678
Too bad this has always been happening, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the myth known as "global warming".
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Male 20,987
Link: Global Warming: Still Think It`s A Myth? [Pic] [Rate Link] - `See! See! I told you!`
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