Women In Maine Stage Topless Protest for Equality

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Maine women are upset because they can"t go around topless on hot afternoons. I-A-B ladies, how do you feel about this?
There are 118 comments:
Female 471
"eww thay are all fat! OKAY OKAY! you win!"

Um.. I`ve seen some grotesquely fat and hairy guys going topless.

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Female 471
Sure, everyone should have the freedom to go topless. Eventually, nobody would really think twice about it. Boobs are for babies, anyway.
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Female 17
It would be friggin` fantastic if I could take my shirt off in public. Of course, I`d have to deal with horny manfolk, but it would be lovely to have that particular freedom.
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Male 5,624
"...I hate watching all the guys take their shirts off and I just get to sit there all sweaty..."

*Pictures DX`s avatar, sitting back... all sweaty... "Free the muffins! Free the muffins!" Suddenly, she`s blotted out by raining rose petals...*
I`m sorry, what was the topic again?
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Male 1,627
eww thay are all fat! OKAY OKAY! you win!
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Male 12,365
Clothing that`s suitable for the weather makes little difference to your temperature.

A bra by itself makes even less.

I say that the sweatiness argument is bunk unless you`re being forced or coerced into wearing unsuitable clothing.
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Female 451
Sugar-I agree, but if all girls take to this then it`s impossible to be shy after a while. Kinda like getting used to wearing shorts or something. I`m all for it. I hate watching all the guys take their shirts off and I just get to sit there all sweaty.
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Female 329
oh but id prefer men just keep their shirts on.
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Female 329
im too shy to walk around topless but i agree that as long as men can walk around topless woman should have the choice to as well.
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Male 4
Um, I live in Texas and I`m pretty sure that people in Maine have no Idea what hot is, and women don`t freak out here about taking their tops off.
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Male 25,417
Wow, they have hurt there cause by going topless!
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Male 12,365
[quote]I think the fallacy here is that somehow the nethers are inherently more dirty than anything else. But they`re not. Hands and mouths are more dirty than butts, penises, and vaginas. Vaginas are actually self-cleaning. These are facts. [/quote]

Unfortunately, they aren`t. Except maybe the bit about mouths - human mouths are full of bacteria. Human bites are potentially pretty serious because of that.

Your groin area is home to a fair few bacteria. Probably not harmful, but certainly not cleaner than parts further away from your rectum.

Vaginas are full of bacteria - it`s a symbiotic relationship that reduces the chance of infection by other bacteria. That`s why antibiotics quite often result in infection - they kill off the "security guard" bacteria that usually live there, leaving an open house for other bacteria. But bacteria are symbiotic *in the right place*. In a different part of a body, they can cause problems.
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Male 3,915
there`s rights....and then there`s modesty...technically i can wear speedos whenever i want....but i realize that others` eyes have rights....
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Female 275
xiquiripat: The comfort and responsibility issue I raised was in the context of the Law. You cannot make laws that abridge people`s freedom for your comfort. You cannot make laws requiring people to wash their hands, not pee on the seat, and not be naked. That`s authoritarian. When you have freedom, there is still social responsibility. Yes, people should respect their fellow man and be clean and tidy and considerate. Some people are, some people aren`t. When you sacrifice freedom for safety/comfort, you usually end up with neither. Pretty sure Ben Franklin said something to that effect.

My point stands that no-one has a legal argument that does not impeded on people`s rights.
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Female 275
As for disease: Organisms that cause STD and other disease cannot survive very long outside of the body. It is extremely unlikely that you could get an STD from a toilet seat, so how would a regular seat be any different? And if you happen to be clothed, is it really a problem?

I doubt most people would go fully nude in public. It`s not part of Western Culture. The idea is to avoid authoritarian and tyrannical government with archaic laws based on shame and moral arrogance.
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Female 275
I think the fallacy here is that somehow the nethers are inherently more dirty than anything else. But they`re not. Hands and mouths are more dirty than butts, penises, and vaginas. Vaginas are actually self-cleaning. These are facts.

Decriminalizing nudity will not mean that hordes of naked people will roam around getting AIDS on your train. Your alarmism is what`s hilarious. You misinformation about the human body and your disgust of it is sad and authoritarian.

It`s not your responsibility to dictate cleanliness or clothing or appearance or expression to anybody else. It is your responsibility to tend to your own comfort. If there are naked people around and you don`t want to be around naked people, Don`t Go There.

Nudity is not inherently unsanitary. We are not talking about taking a dump or public sex being decriminalized. What we are talking about is eliminating a law that would throw someone in jail merely for being naked. It`s illogical.
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Female 7,997
wow- breasts- how novel. In Spain a lot of women go topless- of all ages, you see older couples come down to the beach to sit in the sun for a bit, the ladies are topless. A grandmother still looks exactly like a grandmother, not offensive, just an older lady with breasts. Do people think they fall off when you age?
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Male 252
I was gonna be like "Yea, woo, topless chicks"
Then I saw the one on the right.
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Female 356
Leave more to the imagination.
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Male 1,023
think of the children!
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Male 690
These women are the reason shirts were invented.
They should be silent and return to the kitchen.
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Male 5,624
"men are disgusting. they completely ruin the entire point of this"
I thought the point was to bring social acceptability to appearance of topless women.

The women appeared in a social gathering.
A couple of people showed up and accepted it. Some of those people took snap shots, not even realizing that they had just witnessed a piece of possibly significant history.

So, Nuke, is it just me or do you feel offended by the idea that people would enjoy seeing you topless?
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Male 296
Lol, it`s legal for women to go topless in Maine, so what are they protesting? People`s general opinion on the matter?
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Male 45
Lol, women always go topless at beaches in hot climates
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Male 12,365
[quote]men are disgusting. they completely ruin the entire point of this[/quote]

Go live in a seperatist enclave with the other silly bigots and stop bothering the grown-ups.
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Male 12,365
[quote]These people simply think that, if one group can do something, the other should not be barred from doing the same, simply because they are a different gender. [/quote]

Then they should also be campaiging, equally as much, for men to be allowed to walk around in public without covering parts of their bodies generally considered to be sexual.

But they aren`t, because they don`t want any inconvenient equality in their "equality".
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Female 258
men are disgusting. they completely ruin the entire point of this
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Female 3,574
Lilou88, Cagel was describing a world where people can be completely nude anywhere they like. That is the scenario in which sanitation would be a problem. I do not have much of an argument against just people`s upper bodies being bare, tbh.
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Male 1,023
isn`t that what nudist colonies are for?
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Female 112
I`m a student that goes to the school where this took place. First of all I wanted to say that these people, both men and women, were not walking around completely naked. They all had pants or skirts on, so the arguments about spreading STDs don`t really have any holding here in regards to whether or not it`s ok to go around topless. I`ve never heard of anyone getting HIV from sitting on the same bench as a topless person.
Second of all, the main reason that they wanted to do this was because, although it is not against Maine`s laws to go around topless for anyone, it is still a huge taboo subject. The idea is that breasts are part of the human anatomy, both for men and women, yet men are able to take their shirt off in public places (beach, park, etc.) while women are not because of the huge social stigma attached to it. These people simply think that, if one group can do something, the other should not be barred from doing the same, simply because they are a different gender.
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Female 511
Boobies definitely have a "best before" date and should not be exposed publicly beyond that date. I saw my grandma`s once many years ago and was traumatized for a long time. However, if someone like pui wanted to exercise her right to public nudity, I would be supportive. Very supportive. You know pui, we`re Canadian and you can do that if you choose. It`s a great country. Boobs and donuts forever!!!
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Female 579
Just wear a bikini top. Job done.
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Female 843
I don`t see why it`s such a big deal, it`s just skin and something we`ve all seen before or something you`re going to see eventually. No sense in hiding it.

But if women took their shirts off all the time, I`d think guys would get used to it and boobers wouldn`t be as exciting, then what would we use to "persuade" men to do our bidding? ;-)

Some people, however, just should not take their shirts off in public, whether they be male or female.

My opinion, keep your shirts on, ladies
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Male 4,745
Personally, I don`t want to see anyone walking around shirtless. Put your damn shirts on!
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Female 3,574
[quote]It is selfish to assert that your comfort takes precedence over someone else`s[/quote]
Yes. Yes it is.

Given that nudity is legitimately unsanitary in public places, I`d say my position goes way beyond simple "comfort". Yours however...
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Female 3,574
cagel, you are hilarious. I presented lots of very valid arguments against nudity in public, you just don`t want to hear them. The end.

[quote]It is not the government`s job to make sure your seat in a public place is not sat on by somebody free-ballin` or free-cooterin`.[/quote]
How can that even be my responsibility? How am I supposed to know how many STD infected women have sat there that day?

The trouble with your argument is you can`t see how YOUR position is "selfish".
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Male 2,332
Oh these women and their relentless pursuit of getting everything we got..
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Male 734
My bet is that all of the women who went topless were really fugly.
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Male 2,422
Continue: keep your goddamn shirt on.
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Male 2,422
"It is selfish to assert that your comfort takes precedence over someone else`s"

Yes it is and that`s exactly what you`re doing: public nudity makes a lot of people uncomforatable yet you demand that they cater to you and your own desires and you don`t give a damn as to how they feel about it. That sounds pretty selfish to me.

"It is not the government`s job to make sure your seat in a public place is not sat on by somebody free-ballin` or free-cooterin`. That is your responsibility. Your cleanliness is your responsibility."

Yes it`s YOUR responsibility. The next person shouldn`t have to worry about wheather or not their seat is sanitary before using it. This is not about legality but about respect. You have your own places, use them and if you don`t use them don`t bitch about people not approving of what you do because really, they don`t have to. When in Rome do as the Romans do, and when in a place where everbody else is wearing clothes
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Female 864
I would rather that everyone just keep their shirts on while wandering the streets. No one wants to see fat shirtless men or women. Save it for the beach or nudist events people, have some class.

I wholeheartedly agree ,every summer I see skin on display that I would rather not see.
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Female 1,172
NOTE: My comment does not include breast feeding, just walking around for no reason, although I would have a blanket or something covering me while breast feeding. But that`s just me.
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Male 8,302
> im_smart
> (Re breastfeeding in public)
> Europe and South America have much more liberal views when it comes to topless women compared to us

Its an age thing too. In the awkward, pubescent teens, ANY display of bewbs turns a guy on. As we mature, we learn to differentiate between sexual display of bewbs and natural function. Mature men don`t get turned on by a woman breastfeeding in public, and mature either-gender don`t get offended by it.
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Female 1,172
I would rather that everyone just keep their shirts on while wandering the streets. No one wants to see fat shirtless men or women. Save it for the beach or nudist events people, have some class.
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Female 275
Also, pui, you don`t have to go nude. The idea is that you should be able to if you want. And if you did, you do so at your own risk; just like you risk being hot or sticky or sick or infected or raped in your clothes.

Your arguments are based on your exclusive perspective. Your statements are contrary to the notion of personal freedom and personal responsibility.

You keep your clothes on, I`ll take mine off, we won`t hang out ever, and we`ll both be happy and free.
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Female 275
It`s funny how people with absolutely no evidence to back up an argument immediately attack someone with evidence for a typo or a hasty type-job.

I apologize for offending anyone with my typo and lazy typing. It was horrible of me.

Also: There is still no substantial legal argument as to why people should be legally prohibited from public nudity:
Women can be more easily raped? That supposes a crime not perpetrated, and by decriminalizing nudity it is not mandated that all people be naked. It`s a specious argument.
It`s less clean? Ok, maybe so. It`s possible. But you cannot mandate personal cleanliness at the penal level. It is not the government`s job to make sure your seat in a public place is not sat on by somebody free-ballin` or free-cooterin`. That is your responsibility. Your cleanliness is your responsibility. It is selfish to assert that your comfort takes precedence over someone else`s

Still have not heard an actual legal/logical argument.
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Female 120
I agree with LandoGriffin.
If it weren`t for so many perverts or judgmental people around that would be great.
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Female 457
I think topless men and women have their place. Bedroom? Hell yeah. Beaches? Fine. But just walking around town? Hell no! I get so pissed off at feminists sometimes... "Don`t ogle my breasts... but HERE THEY ARE!!"
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Male 15,832
You go girl! I`ll hold your shirt.
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Male 2,841
Topless women=happy women? I like it!
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Male 99
"The worst thing about our society`s view of breasts as sexual is that a woman can`t even feed her baby the way nature intended without a bunch of prudes (mostly other women) telling her she is being inappropriate for doing so"

Europe and South America have much more liberal views when it comes to topless women compared to us.
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Male 7,813
im all for it ladies, equality and boobies, what more could we all want?
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Male 3,842
The worst thing about our society`s view of breasts as sexual is that a woman can`t even feed her baby the way nature intended without a bunch of prudes (mostly other women) telling her she is being inappropriate for doing so
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Male 2,549
I tried to take advantage of the right to go topless in Ottawa(Can)before. Most of the folk in my vicinity were resoundingly unwelcoming...or too welcoming.

That`s why we have nudist beaches.
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Male 94
Oh and cagel its illegal in most places to be nude because mainly of the children. Think of the children! That and nude woman would be easier to rape and sexually assault.

On second thought those ladies should totally be allowed to go around topless!

(As long as im allowed to walk around with out pants that is.)
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Male 94
Batmanners I actually agree with you. If topless woman were acceptable in public than they should be allowed to show them uncensored on normal tv.And I dont mean just late night HBO stuff. I mean during the day and on channels children watch.

Besides.I dont think there are any hot days in Maine. You need to come up with a better reason ladys.

Plus there are beaches where woman can be topless. There called nudist beaches.
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Female 1,427
While I understand the hygenic reasons of not being entirely naked, especially when it comes to sitting in public areas, etc., I never saw the point of women being unable to be topless when men can be.

And, just like ANYTHING ELSE, when/if topless women in public became commonplace, people would stop reacting so intensely. It`d be normal.

Just like people used to freak out over people with a tattoo or facial piercing, but now it`s so common most people just don`t care.
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Male 4,004
Just wondering why it is so difficult to find the pictures of these topless women, with their breasts actually showing.

In an attempt to make breasts acceptable, wouldn`t you main concern be with making the media accept breasts for what they are. I, for one, want to see every breast in the world, and want women to feel liberated in the breastal region. So as a pervert and an equal rights bullpootist, I am all for freeboobing fat chicks. As long as I am not given poo for freeballing out of my man-thong at the mall.
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Female 1,652
seriously, ladies? wear a light sportsbra. Sheesh.
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Female 3,574
Also, it`d be much harder to contract a virus or an STD if all the people who ride public transit are clothed. Surely you understand the risks associated with mixing bodily fluids, especially so close to an opening like your vagina. You`d be having a lot more urinary tract infections if you and thousands of other people rode the train nude everyday (especially since you`re a woman).
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Female 3,574
[quote]...and not sit in a restaurant that allows nudity.[/quote]
I don`t have a problem with private establishments that allow nudity.

[quote]Also, is nakedness less clean that people who don`t wash their clothes? That pee on them because they`re homeless?[/quote]
... ignoring the fact that your sentence structure is severely laking, yes it is. Women cannot control, to any degree, their vaginal secretions. While some people are uncleanly, most people would prefer not to sit in their own urine or three-day-old perspiration and they can easily control that with the use of a washing machine, which most household have these days. On another note, I do think there should be some laws enforcing hygiene, lol, however they`d be pretty hard to enforce.
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Male 601
StarDagger...probably not...
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Female 275
If you don`t want to see it and then you don`t want to sit there you can Not look, and not sit in a restaurant that allows nudity.

Businesses can cater to clothing-only if they`d like. Also, is nakedness less clean that people who don`t wash their clothes? That pee on them because they`re homeless?

Just because you don`t want to see naked people or be around "unclean" people doesn`t mean you can make laws about it.

I have yet to hear a plausible logical argument as to why people should be prohibited from being naked in public.
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Male 1,190
Only in America
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Male 7
probably best argued with a shirt on.. then we`ll actually hear what your saying haha.

some people should just always wear shirts though, some should wear bags too
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Female 3,574
Also, sanitation. I do not really want to sit on a public seat on the bus where 200 other women have probably sat that day leaking vaginal fluids. There is a reason we have those little pull away tabs on bikini bottoms when we try them on at the store.
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Female 3,574
Because I don`t want to see your penis, your boobs or your ass the same way I don`t want to see two people heavily making out in a restaurant booth. I`m pretty sure many people would agree that they do not want to see everyone else`s naked body. You can be naked at home, why *must* you also be naked in public?
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Male 66
@cagel,
because now-a-days in classy North America it`s easier to wash your clothes than wash your body. More convenient for people that get off their guh-zoots and work!


Like you and me ftw
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Female 275
Nobody has explained to me why it should be illegal *anywhere* to be nude.

Why?
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Male 286
i know nudity is fun n all, but I know alotta dudes like me and we can`t handle not bein creepy sketchballs. PS that rolly polie lady has to get the eff outta the was of the potentially hot chick in front of her.
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Male 8,302
[quote]I do not get why people like boobs so much.[/quote]

Its in your primal psychological programming. You are born with the innate need to seek out bewbs to stay alive, and even though your diet changes as you grow, you never overcome that programming.

It shows in men by their open attraction to bewbs, and the fact that anytime a man talks to a woman his eyes FIRST flick to her breasts, THEN to her face.

In women, it manifests itself with the obsession to wear low-cut clothes, lift the breasts and generally make them a prominent feature.
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Female 3,574
I agree with Angilion.
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Female 3,574
[quote]To be fair, some women should be made to wear bags over their head.[/quote]
Some men should too. Let`s start with you!
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Male 773
Those grampas seem pretty happy.
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Male 358
Okay, here`s the deal.
I live in Maine.
The funny thing about this is their protest was irrelevant because it is NOT illegal for a woman to be topless in public in this state.
This happened last month and when the leader of the march found out it wasn`t illegal she started complaining that people were taking pictures of all the topless women.
The local news had a laugh about it because they were protesting something that`s legal to begin with.It`s just that 99.9% of women don`t do it.
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Female 275
Also, why is it weird to want to be naked? I hang around naked whenever possible. Why am I weird because I am comfortable an unashamed and unafraid of my body?
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Female 275
I am completely in favor of decriminalizing all nudity. I never said I wasn`t for men being nude. It doesn`t matter if breasts or penises or butts are exclusively sexual in some people`s minds, there is no reason why people should be arrested for being naked if they want.

Nudity doesn`t hurt anyone or anything.
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Male 5,624
"i`m all for bewbs but this is just stupid"
What exactly is stupid? Explain the mechanism of the stupidity.
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Male 5,624
"...but it isn`t anything as extreme as a bare chested women..."
That`s cultural, Bud. There are places on this planet where people don`t wear ANY clothes and it`s no big deal.

Pope Cat: I`m in your psyche, making you feel shameful over the sight of your own body...


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Male 1,629
in NY they dont have to but they still dont
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Male 914
just wear a fricken bikini top ffs. i`m all for bewbs but this is just stupid
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Female 150
wtf? men dont have goddamn boobs. women do.
this is like men walking around without pants on.
besides women who want to go topless around town are just plain weird.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Why should women have to wear tops when men don`t have to?[/quote]

Because women`s breasts are generally considered sexual and men`s breasts generally aren`t. It`s about covering up sexual parts of your body.

If you want actual equality regarding clothing, you should be trying to change that difference (or allow full nudity for everyone).

You should also be trying to change the difference between the legal penalties imposed on men who break the clothing laws and women who break the clothing laws. Assuming that the laws apply to women at all in your country (they don`t here).

It`s much easier to want "equality" only in ways that suit you and/or your favoured sex. You`re more likely to get that, too.
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Female 275
I can`t believe people say that because not all the boobs that would be shown would be "attractive" a sexist and unfair and unconstitutional law should be maintained.
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Male 7,933
"Just because you think somebody`s ugly you can`t make them wear a bag on their head. Why should women have to wear tops when men don`t have to?"

To be fair, some women should be made to wear bags over their head.
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Male 12,365
I`ll apply the idea of equality in an equal way (which, of course, is far from what the advocates of this change to the law want - they`re just using the word to manufacture support).

Let`s say it`s changed and women are allowed to go around in public without covering the parts of their body that are strongly considered sexual in that society.

In order for there to be equality, the law would have to also allow men to go around in public without covering the parts of their body that are strongly considered sexual in that society.

How equal do you want your "equality"?
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Male 12,365
[quote]I do not get why people like boobs so much.[/quote]

I can think of two answers:

i) We`re socialised to do so.

ii) They`re the most obvious womanly feature, so they`re considered attractive because of that association. Women = sexy, boobs = women, therefore boobs = sexy.


But I think it`s (i) because it`s not the same in all societies.
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Female 275
Just because you think somebody`s ugly you can`t make them wear a bag on their head. Why should women have to wear tops when men don`t have to?
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Male 300
Why is the photo from the back ??
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Male 1,232
Eh, it`s kind of more that boobs resemble fertility, which in non-scientific words, turns you on. A bare chest on a man can be arousing for a girl, but it isn`t anything as extreme as a bare chested women. But I guess it kinda evens out knowing that girls wear booty shorts and spaghetti strap shirts which are much more revealing than the average jeans and a t-shirt. So comparing those two, it kinda evens out.
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Male 8,302
Hint: Don`t protest how much the same as men you are by flashing your tits around, unless men are strange where you come from.
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Male 5,314
before clicking on link: O_O

after clicking on link: -_-
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Male 3,060
I don`t know about other states, but I know it is legal for women to be topless in Ohio for that reason.
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Male 660
Nothin worse than excess backfat!
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Female 2,352
I feel the same way on this issue as I do with nudists. The people who do it are the exact opposite of those who should. -.-
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Male 670
just wear a bikini top
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Male 15,510
That is what protests are all about

Nudity
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Male 9,305
"In maine it is legal for women to go around naked. Every year on earth day at umaine people get naked and paint themselves green. then ride a bike around naked and they never get arrested.
"

I heard about that, they don`t get charged with nudity but they get charged with "public distraction" or something. Which is bogus, I see kids on cellphones while they`re riding bikes and skateboards.

I want to scream at them: STOP IMITATING YOUR IDIOT PARENTS!
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Female 3,828
" Tell these idiot women to wake up to real problems and put their god damned shirts back on. That`s enough back fat to sear my eyes for weeks."

LOL best comment ever.

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Male 1,164
Ehhhg, if women can go around topless all the time, we won`t get jollies from boobies anymore.

It`s like the 1800s and women`s ankles, ALL over again.
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Female 81
In maine it is legal for women to go around naked. Every year on earth day at umaine people get naked and paint themselves green. then ride a bike around naked and they never get arrested.
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Male 4,014
I could really get behind these protesters.
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Male 1,151
There were as many back-tits as there were ones on the front
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Male 363
You can tell those two dudes standing by the sign are totally agreeing with the message.
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Male 4,680
Sadly for every great pair of tits there are four/five wrinkly, saggy and hairy pairs.

I don`t think it`d be worth it really...
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Female 160
Are you kidding?! I`ve been trying to organize something just like that for years, except instead of trying to get guys to keep their tops on I just want to be able to take mine off whenever I want.
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Male 988
"I do not get why people like boobs so much."
Have you even tried to figure it out?
You see, there are these things called hormones...
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Male 215
Mmm lookit all that backfat.
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Female 354
I do not get why people like boobs so much.
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Male 633
watch, they`ll get their way and then we`ll watch them complain that people are staring at them.
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Female 455
Yeah, tops for everyone. Please. The second it gets past about march and the cloud breaks for a minute in the UK so many blokes seem to feel the need to whip their tops off. The ones who do it are either fat old men, something there`s really no way to un-see, or total douchebags who are desperately attention seeking. It`s pathetic really. They`re hardly going to die of heatstroke...
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Male 40,326
Hooray for Canada! Ladies can go topless all they like here!
OF course that`s moot in January...
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Female 3,598
hmm... i don`t think i`d want to display my ta-tas to the world unless it was at a concert or aome other type of drunken large crowd gathering. if these women are too hot in the summer and they don`t mind going topless, why don`t they just wear a bikini top instead? oh but that would make the arguement invalid... i understand equality, but what about decency? i don`t think that they should be allowed to just bare it all, what if there are children around?
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Male 586
but it never gets hot in Maine so I don`t know why they are bitching.
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Male 1,929
If they don`t mind men having the occassional stare and tramps masturbating at them, go for it.
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Female 1,593
I`m all for the tops for everyone. Simply due to the fact that people, who really do not need to go topless, will go topless and, well, they don`t make enough eyebleach to go around.
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Female 9,558
I`m moving to maine!
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Male 20,827
Link: Women In Maine Stage Topless Protest for Equality [Rate Link] - Maine women are upset because they can`t go around topless on hot afternoons. I-A-B ladies, how do you feel about this?
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