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45 Responses to UK`s Labour`s Secret Plan To Lure Migrants?

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2423 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    Link: UK`s Labour`s Secret Plan To Lure Migrants? - Tit for tat: The UK`s Labour government policy on immigration debate I-A-B! Lotsa hell going on in the UK this week.
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    Figures.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    Not just the UK, what do you think the Democrats are planning here with illegal immigration Amnesty?
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    Bremir Male 18-29
    392 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    And this is one of the reasons why I didn`t vote Labour.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    Patticakes: Why do you think Obama stopped funding security at the border and stopped building the fence ? He sees them all as potential democrat voters.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    UCLA Proffessor Calls For Revolution

    This is what is being taught in our schools, colleges and universities now.

    "We are revolutionary Mexican organization here. We understand that this is not just about Mexico. It`s about a global struggle against imperialism and capitalism... At the forefront of this revolutionary movement is La Raza. We will no longer fall for these lies called borders."
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 10:09 pm
    1) Post 2002 immigrants don`t vote for labour. They vote Lib Dem. If anything Labour has shot themselves in the ass.

    2) Immigration *was* good for the UK back in 2000, even while everyone was complaining, Britain had a lack of skilled labour, and had more jobs than unemployed. We needed people to fill those roles and they weren`t being filled.

    3) The paper says, accurately, that immigration has more good than bad, at the time, in the UK. Anyone who wishes the paper had said otherwise, effectively wants the paper to lie to match their biases.

    4) There was a Christian group ready for revolution a couple of weeks ago on IAB. There was a video. Did you claim, Crakr, that was proof and explanation of why Christians are in America?

    It seems the first step in your empirical method is:
    Are these people like me?
    If yes: Believe nothing bad.
    If no: Instantly believe everything bad.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 10:26 pm
    Hmm, I must take more time to learn of UK politics. This seems like a rather far fetched accusation.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 12:06 am
    I really am sick of hearing about this. We`ve had nothing but bitching and BS for weeks and I really couldn`t give a monkeys chuff. It`s all propaganda around election time designed to get people revved up. The blues slag off the reds and the yellows sit in the middle aggreeing with everyone. This is why I did this to my ballott paper. The choice of animal was for Opie.
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    Mantolwen Female 18-29
    387 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 12:30 am
    Handsompod: Nice drawing. Hope you didn`t hold up any queues! :D But you should have voted `noneoftheabove`.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 12:43 am
    It was a postal vote. The people who got turned away was nothing to do with me. Strange how when that happens in another country we go in with guns and enforce democracy. When it happens here it`s all, "oh well some people didn`t vote *shrug*" seems a bit fishy to me.
    None of the above is a vote for somebody. I don`t trust anyone who wants to be a politician, not after the expenses scandal.
    I believe he got his deposit back anyway.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 12:58 am
    Not so secret now is it.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:02 am
    Cajun247, ha ha yeah, but then where do exit polls come from. It really makes me laugh how they have private booths but as soon as you come out there`s a load of folk asking you about how you voted.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:24 am
    Baalthazaq: "It`s not paranoia if they really are out to get you." What Is La Raza ?

    Card checking for illegals spoils their plans for violent revolution. Arizona is the kidnapping capital of the world right now. The Arizona ID Check law is not about race or color, It`s about security. Obama`s lax security nearly cost us dozens of lives in Times Sq. Only the sloppiness of the terrorist prevented it from happening.
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
    1178 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:25 am
    it`s written by the Telegraph, a notoriously conservative paper. Hardley one to trust...
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
    2029 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:33 am
    oh thank god i did not vote labour
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    nukilar Male 18-29
    9 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:38 am
    this is why im private :D too much government crap
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 2:30 am
    What is La Raza really from a source that isn`t one guy`s geocities site.
    What is M.E.CH.A from similar.

    Immigration is not generally a movement by Mexico to rule the world. It isn`t. It just isn`t.

    Even conceding to you on every one of your points does not give you ANY solid verification of your conclusion. You simply do not understand the extreme basics of putting together an argument.

    If I were to point to a random anagram that represents some Republican group with slight confederate leanings, WOULD YOU conclude that Republicans generally are trying to take over America and form a new nation?

    No. But hey, look, someone an inch outside your sphere of understanding, "must be cannibals or some poo".
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 2:57 am
    Baalthazaq: Their aim is to claim California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas, Nevada, Colorado And Others as part of Mexico. Their signs exclaim "Reconquista" & "Azatlan". Their idols are Che Guevera, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez.



    This is a real threat and they are not kidding when they say they want to take over the southwest (and possibly even more).
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    xXamwxxXx Male 18-29
    285 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 3:28 am
    "they" arent trying to claim the southwest, as if there is some kind of organized movement to "takeover?" That is stupid, people are going where the work and a better quality of life is, period.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 3:37 am
    I don`t really see anything wrong with "a deliberate open-door policy on immigration to boost multi-culturalism", in addition to helping the economy. Sounds like a good thing to me.

    But it`s the Telegraph, so what do you expect.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 5:11 am
    Why has the conversation turned to America and Mexican immigration?

    Do you Americans have to make EVERYTHING about yourselves?
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    scotchbot Female 18-29
    171 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 5:27 am
    Musuko42 -

    I was about to type pretty much the exact same message.

    And God help us if the Labour party manage to worm their way into power again
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:02 am
    I don`t get why people discredit the Telegraph as it leans to the right. Our broadsheets are all accurate just different slant. So the Gaurdian, The Times, Independent, Financial Times and Telegraph are all correct but put a different opinion on it it being left or right. It`s the Tabloids which you can`t trust.

    Point It`s making is Labour pursued a open door policy for social reason`s one being they vote Labour. But didnt present what the social aspects where to the electorate. The only time they started to change is when recession hit people losing job`s.

    @hansomepod It`s from february so It`s before the election.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:12 am
    A final point about the Telegraph they exposed the expenses scandle, let me guess you think that was all made up as well???
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:15 am
    VV moefreak so why did the Labour Party delete the parts that suggest otherwise? ie: it`s a coverup of yet another failed `liberal` policy.

    >>Solution: Every illegal alien in the USA gets a free trip to England, with citizenship upon arrival! tah dah! (NOTE: I did NOT say MExican, hispanic or whatever, haters be quiet!)
  27. Profile photo of Handsompod
    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:18 am
    I know it`s from February, we knew an election was happening this year, last year. The propaganda doesn`t start on the day the election date is announced you know.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31799 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:21 am
    @Baal: that "Christian group" has what, 40 members? Illegal aliens? 5 MILLION.
    Proportionate response on your part? Not!
    @Amwxx Actually, this is the method the USA used. Flood the areas in question with migrants until they represent the majority (or nearly so) and then vote California & others into the USA rather than Mexico... so yes, it`s worked before.
  29. Profile photo of jayme21
    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:31 am
    @Handsome pod we know an election happens every five years hence all stuff in between is election propaganda?

    February was too early to have an effect for a may election.
  30. Profile photo of Handsompod
    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:39 am
    My point exactly. Why do you want to argue? It`s all propaganda.
    By that rationale as the expenses scandal happened last year, it should have had no impact on your choice to vote until the candidates are nominated and the campaining starts. Clean slate for everyone.

    hmmmmmm
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    kingbuxton Male 30-39
    35 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:41 am
    @xXamwxxXx - have a read at what the aim of LaRaza is from www.discoverthenetworks.org

    La Raza supports continued mass Mexican immigration to the United States, and hopes to achieve, by the sheer weight of numbers, the re-partition of the American Southwest as a new state called Aztlan -- to be controlled by its alleged rightful owners, the people and government of Mexico.

    This is nice....

    La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes.

    In America, if they want to pass a law, do the people vote? I don`t really understand how changes to the constitution happen. Lets say, "Gun Control" cos that is the first thing that springs to mind.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:44 am
    Did you see the election results? Although it was spoken about during the actual election campaign`s and phase. Pretty much all the incumbents and those tarred with the expenses scandle kept their seat`s.

    The Telegraph is right leaning and supports the conservatives. Publishing things like the Duck pond and Moat counters the aim of getting the tories elected. Sometimes the press do just report with no ulterior motive other then to sell papers.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:48 am
    Cat/Crak:
    Oh, are we talking about illegal aliens? (5 million)
    I thought we were talking about M.E.Ch.A. (Few Thousand) Specifically the militant ones (Hundreds. Maybe. Hard to say), and specifically the ones that take it as seriously as the Hutaree (0 from what I can see).

    So I was talking about Christians (1.2 Billion), Specifically Southerners, (131 million), by claiming Confederates (10 Million) are all crazy based on what a rag tag group of non-nice individuals (Hutaree) have said on one circumstance. (And it`s not as if I couldn`t find more claiming the south is ready to rise again).

    Lets face it, if they were Muslims, Hispanics, Blacks or any other ethnic, religious, or political group but your own, YOU would be making this argument and screaming at the top of your lungs about how the world was out to get you.

    This is how stupid your argument is. This is what it looks like to the rest of us. Desist.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:52 am
    Also there is a difference between one article which got not a lot of attention. And a scandle which got dragged out as front page news for several months. Then the review or parliamentary systems the changing of rules etc etc My point is a single article several months before an election will have no impact on the results. So wasn`t election BS as you put it
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    kingbuxton Male 30-39
    35 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:55 am
    I mean I don`t live in America, but it`s not hard to see there is a major issue here.

    Sorry, this place wont let me link long URL

    Google mexican riots may 2010 third link down, Media Attempts to Play Down Huge Mexican Riots In Arizona - Video. I mean, does anyone live in these areas? Is there a problem?

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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 6:56 am
    "Did you see the election results?"

    No I spend my days locked in a box being fed through a tube. How could I not?! I think you`ll find that the moat cleaner and the porn watcher both lost their seats.
    My initial comment said I`m sick of this sh*t, and you have managed to draw me into a debate. Damn you jayme21 *shakes fist*

    The only person who ever went to parliment with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.
    They are all crooks. The sooner everyone understands this the sooner we can have reform and a chance at a true democracy.
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    kingbuxton Male 30-39
    35 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 7:04 am
    The only person who ever went to parliment with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.

    You should put that on a T-Shirt, classic.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 7:17 am
    Kingbuxton, I think I will, then all I need to do is get itkonlyyou to advertise it for me on internet forums.

    (But in all seriousness something really needs to be done about that bot. I`ve never seen one so persistant.)
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 10:20 am
    The only person who ever went to parliment with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.

    I`d rather have the usual bunch of somewhat dishonest politicians than a terrorist group with a bomb intending to destabilise the country and overthrow the government for religious reasons.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 10:58 am
    Angillion I said I was tired and didn`t want to argue. It`s nearly time for me to go home too. So I`m not going to argue. However much you`d like me to as I know you like a debate. I will say though as a leaving note. The government we have do go into other countries and destablise and overthrow the governments because of their religious beliefs. Because they are a government this is not called terrorism. No matter how many civillians die.
    I never said I approve of Guy Fawkes I just said he approached it with honest intentions. Honesty is a characteristic that even you can admire I`m sure. Whatever the intent.
    We know politicians are corrupt yet we still keep voting them in. It`s time for reform; we need to get this country to a point when the civil servants serve us, not us do as we`re commanded by those we trust to govern. You`ll have to find another adversary tonight mate. I`m off home. :)
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    Flibmeister Female 18-29
    833 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 11:56 am
    I just love this guy

    funny name change for local politician
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25408 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    not a secret now!
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    kingbuxton Male 30-39
    35 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    @Handsompod, I got what you meant. And I still say it would make a great T-Shirt. It`s not about Gunpowder, Treason n Plot, it is about honesty.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 10, 2010 at 1:01 am




    Yeah, Sure they don`t `take it as seriously` Baalthazaq.
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    Sgt-pepper Male 18-29
    15 posts
    May 10, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Oh my god, a political group encouraged something that help their own ends?!?!?! Outrageous! Unforgivable!

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