The Rationalization Of Anti-Global Warmers [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Funny

Show of hands: How many of us know people like this?
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Female 80
We`re coming out of an ice age...this trend has been going on forever. Why does everyone just ignore that?
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Female 3,001
in britain, we just had the coldest winter and summer in 60 years. we would love some global warming over here...
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Male 98
We`re not f*cked. Our great-great-great-great grandchildren are f*cked, and since I`ll never know them, I don`t care.
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Male 1,108
I love it, an Aussie arguing with Davy even when he can see with his own eyes that Australia is going through the worst drought in living memory.
"Nah It cant be happening here, we`ve still got tinnies to drink."

We are F*cked. That is all.
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Male 36
davymid your missing the other part of the graph the earth has been getting hotter then it gets cooler then an ice age comes then it gets warmer then it gets to what were experiencing im not sure if it will get any hotter but it will come down soon and then in a matter of a few 100 years or so there will be another ice age this has been hapening forever
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Male 12,138
"Really? Interesting. Assume they haven`t yet discovered advanced climatic science then?"

"No sir, apparently they`re pretty advanced, for their age. Scientific Process is well established. Seems like 98% of their professional climatologists who are claiming that the planet is heading for a global warming disaster are being ignored in favour of political hacks and right-wing media"

"Really?"

"Yep. Data shows their polar ice-caps are f*cked, sir."

"Damn, that`s disappointing. Alright, thanks for the update, keep searching. There must be intelligent life here SOMEWHERE"
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Male 12,138
"Hey, Zarqon, come look at this. Sensors are picking up advanced lifeforms on the third planet of the Sol system!"

"Heeeey, you`re right! Pick up their media, what`s the analysis?"

"Umm, post-industrial, some space technology. Still in Carbon Age. But wait, there`s a large amount of chatter on their radiowaves of how their atmosphere isn`t being screwed by pumping 28 billion tonnes of CO2 into their atmosphere every year... sounds like they`re blaming it on their star, or ignoring it completely."
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Male 12,138
[quote]Anomly against what?[/quote]
Against global mean temperature. This ain`t rocket science.
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Male 506
Anomly against what? I wonder if the people in the 1920s were all panicky about `global cooling`
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Male 12,138
Viking, here`s your data from before 2000. See that little green line? That`s "Global Cooling" over the last 10 years...

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Male 36
According to NASA`s thermal imaging, the earth has been getting cooler (with exception of Australia, but no one cares about those kangaroo humpers) for the past10 years, I couldn`t find data for anytime before 2000.
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Female 250
2013 See? were still alive.
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Male 199
5 words: There is no global warming.
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Male 522
yay! debates! I just love debates
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Male 716
Okay, there may be some Green-Freaks that tell you man is the only cause of Global Warming and all of Earth`s woes.

Then there will be some Anti-Green-Freaks that tell you Global Warming is in no way caused by man.

The truth is that Global Warming is caused by both Nature and Man. Nature is definately causing a warming trend. That is undeniable. We can see it. But it is also undeniable that all humans are doing, with CO2 and Methane and pollution are also hurting the earth. It is undeniable.

Global warming will occur naturally no matter what we do. But unless we change, we will speed it up to a point of no return.

Plus, I`d rather live without smog in the atmosphere, wouldn`t you?
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Male 12,138
[quote]Uranium is one of the most abundant elements in the earth`s crust: it is 500 times more common than gold. [/quote]
Yeah, but if you read on, most of that is found in rivers, oceans, etc. It`s disseminated, not concentrated into minable uranium deposits. Iron is one of the most abundant elements in the crust, but we don`t mine it from everywhere, just where there are concentrated deposits. It`s not cost effective to do otherwise.
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Male 12,138
Yeah, what OldOllie said - I`m talking about 10 years` supply of naturally occuring U-235. Beyond that you need breeder reactors, which are dangerous (they use sodium as a coolant, which is extremely explosive in contact with water... think Chernobyl raised to the power of the current Gulf of Mexico clusterf*ck, but with nuclear fallout rather than oil). They also produce more plutonium-239, which can be used to make nuclear weapons.

The major pronuclear report by MIT (2003), "The Future of Nuclear Power" considers that fast breeders will not be a significant part of the nuclear industry for several decades, because they are even more expensive than conventional nuclear power stations. One of the reasons why they are more expensive is that they are more dangerous.
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Male 56
It seems climate change is natural (there was a mini ice age in Europe dring the middle ages) but our pollution and green house gases (green house gases are the main reason Venus is so inhospitable) is speeding it up.
Can`t wait for nuclear fusion to be a viable energy source.
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Male 15,832
Uranium reactors run on Uranium-235, an isotope making up only about 0.72% of natural uranium. It`s expensive to enrich Uranium to get high enough levels of U-235 to use in reactors. With the exception of the extremely rare isotope uranium-234 (0.0054%), the other ~99% is U-238. It`s worthless as reactor fuel, but you can convert it to Plutonium-239 by bombardment with slow neutrons in a breeder reactor. If we use Plutonium to fuel our reactors, we can make enough to last for a very, very long time.
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Male 256
Global Warming is NOT caused by man. that is stupid to believe when you can take every person in the world and put them in florida
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Male 84
I beleive anything anyone tells me, I make bad life decisions... I created this retarded picture
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Male 36
See the sky is falling. There can be global warming.

The people who devote themselves to the debate over whether it is or isn`t happening are missing the point of the actual debate, which is the degree to which human behavior influences a natural climatic trend. I wonder if the neolithic primitives were this stupid when the last glacial maximum occurred.

"Look, Ug not need animal fur. No can be global cooling."

Primitives.
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Female 635
my health teacher says that global warming and climate change is all bull

o:

but then again he says that gold fishes are evil

:/
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Male 305
*pokes his head out* Whew, is the storm over yet?
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Male 4,290
[quote]Actually, you can - you store it BEFORE generating.[/quote]

... damn you and your pedantry :P
What I meant was that you can`t store electricity which is generated for the national grid. So we are both right.
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Male 8,302
Regarding the Uranium issue, I admit I thought we had enough for a kazillion years; after all, you pick the damn yellowcake up off the ground in central Australia. But if Davy says so I`m inclined to believe him, he may be an Irish twat but I respect his knowledge of his own industry.
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Male 8,302
> almightybob1
> You can`t store energy generated for the power grid

Actually, you can - you store it BEFORE generating. They`re called hydro-electric dams, and Tasmania has been getting 99% of its electricity off them for 70 years.
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Male 936
its not just mars that is warming either by the way, pluto is as well. Theres absolutely no reason to believe global warming is due to human behavior other than because "the tv told me so." Its amazing how easily so many people will just accept what the news tells them.
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Male 2
Actually with Breeder reactors the uranium is expected to last at least 2500 years.Reference
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Female 709
I know one girl who claims she knows all about the Mayan calendar just because she`s like 1/5 Mayan, and so she says we`re not gonna die 2012 and global warming is a myth. I guess because she`s 1/5 Mayan, she knows everything about a civilization that lived thousands of years ago.
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Male 40,269
[quote">Uranium is one of the most abundant elements in the earth`s crust: it is 500 times more common than gold.
-provides 17% of all electricity used in the world today[/quote">
That`s from a Govt Sask site, but I`m guessing it`s in the ballpark for accuracy.
idk that 17% of the whole world`s electricity would run out in 10 years and no-one would notice... ie raise the price of Uranium?
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Male 40,269
[quote] All of the uranium deposits in the world, even allowing for new discoveries, gives us about 10 years under current fission reactor technology.[/quote]
I have never heard this before, rather that we have 1000s of years worth of uranium on the planet. A quick look at wiki: "Uranium is more plentiful than antimony, tin, cadmium, mercury, or silver..."
More uranium than TIN? SILVER!!! I can`t see how we`ll run out in 10 years dude.
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Male 2,893
AHHHHHHH rUUUNNNN!!!
IT`s GLOBAL WARMING!!!!
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Male 4,290
[quote]Shockingly inefficient, and you have to store the electricity which requires very UNenvironmentally-friendly batteries. [/quote]

You can`t store energy generated for the power grid. That`s just not how it works. If you were just talking about small-scale solar power, then maybe, but national grid power cannot be stored.

Which means that the power produced must constantly be balanced to match the demand. When too much or too little power is produced, the frequency of the AC changes, and that`s when the system collapses and you get blackouts.

That`s why intermittent power sources can only be used to top up the grid, never as a primary source of electricity.

And that`s also why things like "Everyone turn your lights off for a day!" are a nightmare for power engineers - you have no idea how many people are going to participate, so you have no idea how much power you`ll need to generate. The error margins are not forgiving.
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Male 8,302
[quote]Why not set up more windmills[/quote]

Windmills are mechanical devices, parts need replacing on a regular basis. They also produce pretty piss-poor quantities of power.

[quote]and solar panels?[/quote]

Shockingly inefficient, and you have to store the electricity which requires very UNenvironmentally-friendly batteries.

The best and most viable options for REAL world power requirements are:
- Geothermal (the planet has oodles of magma/volcanic steam)
- Tidal (tides never stop)
- Solar (beamed from space, where you can have thousands of km of collectors and no atmosphere filtering most of it out first)

See the common link? This planet of ours is Awesome, its natural processes make all our efforts look like ants on a galaxy-size picnic table. The only viable energy option for the future is to tap the planet itself, not the thin scattering of limited resources in its thin coating.
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Male 12,138
Anyways, point is, when talking about nuclear power, just be aware that nuclear power is not a panacea... we`ll likely run out of uranium (a very rare mineral resource) long before we run out of fossil fuels. There`s a very real possibility that in a couple of decades` time we`ll have nuclear fission power plants everywhere, with no fuel to run the f*ckers. Just highlighting that.
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Male 12,138
Not touching the climate change issue, I`ll save that for the next one.

On nuclear power, an important point must be raised. It`s a solution, but it`s by no means a silver bullet... Most people are not aware of the geological resources we actually have to power nuclear plants- they`re depressingly small.

Take some cold hard facts from a professional geoscientist working in the energy sector... we have somewhere between 10-100 years of oil left at present reserve levels, based on pessimistic/optimistic estimates. Gas, somewhere around the same. Coal (and Crakr`s right, clean coal technology is coming a long way) is looking better, around 80-200 years.

The crux here is Uranium. All of the uranium deposits in the world, even allowing for new discoveries, gives us about 10 years under current fission reactor technology. We can get a longer reserve life out of that, but that will require extracting uranium from seawater, and that in itself is energy-intensive.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: Nuclear power like that used in France would help a lot. It needs to recover from it`s stigma, But it`s very safe technology now.

Clean coal produces hydrogen which can power zero-emission cars. The carbon from it can be sequestered underground.
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Male 101
I do like to add, on a humorous note, that if you know anyone in a metal band, preferably a vocalist, or happen to be said guy, oh how easy getting power could be, lol.
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Male 101
How about sound power? Don`t get me wrong here, I know a lot more thought would have to be put into it, but hear me out.

It can be self-created (from yourself), or by an object that can produce sound. I figure, maybe, you set up a microphone, or some other kind of "audio receiver", which is hooked up to a machine that will convert it into power/energy, which will then be distributed to the masses (i.e.: cars, buildings, devices, appliances, etc). Ways to produce the sound can be anything from screaming, yelling, laughing, clapping, making sounds with your own body, with others, with objects, such as pots and pans, musical instruments, music itself, and just about anything possible, going as far as explosions, breaking the sound barrier, or even being loud enough to break something. However, for those last three, you`d probably need a REALLY strong and durable receiver. And yes, I do realize you will already need a ready power supply for some of these ways of making t
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Male 2,737
Global warming has happened numerous times since the first one celled animal.It just happens periodically,since life began.It`s just a stage.Deal with,JEEZ!buncha pussys!
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Male 12,365
...it`s only been given £1M. Idiots. It could make a fortune for the UK, so the government should give it more than pocket change.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Why not set up more wind mills[/quote]

They`re useless for baseline power generation and they require vast amounts of space. They could be useful in parts of the USA and other sparsely populated countries, but they`re an add-on. You need a reliable 24/7 source for baseline.

Kite farms are far more promising for wind power.

[quote]and solar panels?[/quote]

More of the same, and they`re fragile and expensive to make. If you have plenty of spare desert, Stirling engines are still better for large-scale (which you need for a power station). Europe could be powered from northern Africa. USA might be able to do it from some states.

[quote]Why not subsidize hybrids?[/quote]

At the moment, they`re not really "green" at all. It`s more image than substance.

Subsidising battery development would be better. There`s a project at prototype stage in the UK now that`s already 3x Li-ion and should reach 10x, but it`
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Female 665
Holy poo, guys.
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Male 17,512
NotTHATbored: BP advertises it`s `alternative energy` measures on TV, As do many other oil companies. Are you suggesting we take their `alternative energy` subsidies away and give them to some other companies just because they drill and refine oil ?

Natural gas is cleaner than most coal power plants and we have a lot of natural gas reserves.
Coal power doesn`t have to be `dirty` either.
FutureGen
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Female 1,101
Also algae, its carbon neutral, pump co2 into algae farm, collect oils that form, Co2 released in burning, Co2 absorbed by algae. No old carbon dug up and released into atmosphere. There are a lot of alternative energy sources. We just have to fund them instead of oil companies.
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Female 1,101
Also I didn`t say the world would end.
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Female 1,101
@Lionhart maybe... those things do give me heart palpitations...
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Female 1,101
Who said to cap and trade? Not me. I said stop giving the oil companies money through subsidies and spend it on alternative energy instead. (ween them off slowly if you like). Also I question your theory on the solar panels, send me a reputable link to confirm. Also give me a break, their are small wind mills that run on almost no wind that can be placed on top of city buildings. There are all sorts of alternatives that are better then oil.
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Male 8,302
[quote]you have to get rid of the nuclear waste, but if you can find a safe spot to put it I say go for it[/quote]

What do you think is in all those super-high-energy drinks all you youngsters are swigging by the bucketful?
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Male 40,269
And finally, CO2 has been both much higher and much lower in the past, before humans were around. Life didn`t end then and it won`t in the next 100 years. (with the possible exception of 2012)
ZZzzzz!
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Male 40,269
Windfarms take up a LOT of space, and since they don`t always produce, there has to be a back-up. Why build TWO power sources? Isn`t that kind of expensive? Who`s going to pay for that? Ditto for solar, and all those acres of blackness? Makes the planet hotter!
It just IS simple! The Sun is the #1 climate driver, bar nothing. Clouds, greenhouse gasses, albedo? ALL work off the Sun`s power.
Yes it`s a good idea to reduce pollution. No, it`s a bad idea to "cap and trade", that is just a scam. Look at Europe! It`s been a disaster there, and cost billions to boot.
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Female 1,101
OK goodnight!
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Female 1,101
You can`t deny people the right to protest if they feel their land in being degraded or devauled.
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Female 1,101
Mhhh but you have the nimby effect. (Not in my back yard).
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Female 1,101
Because Co2 does trap heat (science can not deny this) and we are pumping mass amounts of it into the atmosphere.
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Male 15,832
[quote]...you have to get rid of the nuclear waste, but if you can find a safe spot to put it I say go for it.[/quote]
We`ve already found it: Yucca Mountain. If that`s not safe enough for you, nothing ever will be. Anyone who objects to nuclear power solely on the waste disposal question is being dishonest about why they oppose it.
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Female 1,101
Good night, I will watch the movie in the morning,because I`m open minded, but will not be convinced.
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Female 1,101
There are a million ways that we could cut back on oil little by little instead of giving US tax payer dollars to the oil companies in subsidies.
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Male 40,269
vv lolz! cutoff!
Nuclear Power!
G`night NotTHATBored! Yes CO2 is A greenhouse gas, but others (methane) are worse and seriously? The Sun is 99% of the cause for global warming OR cooling.
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Male 15,832
If someone completely unfamiliar with the global warming controversy were to examine the arguments on both sides, he would see that the skeptics tend to base their arguments on facts and logic, while the alarmists tend to base their arguments on the authority, or "consensus," of climate scientists. When skeptics attack climate scientists, they attack their methods of collecting and analyzing data. However, when the alarmists attack the skeptics, it`s nearly always personal -- things like what sort of degree they have or who is funding their research.

Just an observation...
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Female 1,101
@5Cats I don`t know why Mars is warming and neither do scientists or you, but what I do know is that Co2 and Methane gasses hold in heat and that we are putting that into our atmosphere.

You are making it too simple. A lot of the fossil fuels we use to heat homes and water. There are ways to increase efficiency in these systems, why not subsidize those? Why not set up more wind mills and solar panels? Why not subsidize hybrids?

You say nuclear? I say why not. I don`t know that I would call it pollution free, after all you have to get rid of the nuclear waste, but if you can find a safe spot to put it I say go for it.
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Male 40,269
@LionHart and NotTHATBored, please watch
This Video
which I linked before. Even the first 30 seconds tells you why we "anti-GW" people are skeptical of the GWA "science" (Global Warming Apocaplypse).
I mean LOOK at the midevil warming period! almost 200 YEARS of high temperatures and we`re still alive!!! (it was followed by the "little ice age" and we survived that too, eh?)
Climate Change: Teh climate, it changes!
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Female 1,101
Ok I`m done for tonight ..

@global warming skeptics I`m not saying that the cause of global warming is 100% co2, but it surely is a factor. Co2 traps heat, good night.
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Male 40,269
[quote]coming through the thin atmosphere...[/quote]
From your article NotTHATBored, it`s thin, but there, and that`s enough to trap heat from the sun, eh?
http://tinyurl.com/6tyqn
See? Lots of CO2 on Mars, percentage wise.
So why is Mars getting warmer? NO internal heat (as per your article) so how? Cow farts? Martians driving SUVs?
It`s the SUN! And since WE are much closer then don`t you think the EARTH just might get warmer too?
"wean off oil" sounds great! How to drive the trucks & tractors that make modern farming possible? And to transport the food cheaply to poor countries? Alcohol fuels? Did you know that if ALL the USA`s food output was used to make ethanol, it wouldn`t replace oil?
So until that day (a wonderful day actually! I sure hope it`s soon) oil is replaced, we`re stuck.
And there is a pollution-free energy source, that`s HALF the cost of solar or wind: nucl
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Female 1,101
Ack... climate change does not mean it won`t snow in the winter or that we won`t get cold weather on occasion, it means that the temperature on average for the whole planet and the oceans will rise by a few degrees. In fact some predictions suggest that the weather will be more erratic as temperature increases! But overall the temperature has risen.

"Around the world, the Earth`s average temperature has risen more than 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) over the last century, and about twice that in parts of the Arctic."

-National Geographic Nat Geo
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Male 2,486
I live in southern Arizona and it snowed this Winter, in fact, the mountain a few miles from my town has snow on it right now, and it hits 100 here every day like it always has. I don`t think we have a lot to worry about.
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Male 478
No one is actually saying this. People are unconvinced of the effects of global warming because there have constantly been record low temperatures recently.
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Male 8,302
The ignorance and stupidity of the anti-GW`s on here is staggering. If you don`t know why the planet warming up can cause the entire northern hemisphere to be covered in ice, then STFU and go learn something about what you`re denying.
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Female 1,101
Also, no one is saying that we should bankrupt the worlds economies and let people starve. What might be a good idea however is to stop subsidizing the oil companies (or ween them off) so that we can find an energy source that will not run out, get trapped in our atmosphere, and cause problems with air quality.
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Female 1,101
N Co2 IS NOT CAUSING EARTH TO WARM UP. YOU ARE FULL OF FAIL. JUST BECAUSE TWO PLANETS THAT ARE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER ARE BOTH WARMING UP DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING IS CAUSING THEM TO WARM. METHANE AND CO2 ARE PROVEN TO HOLD HEAT AND WE ARE PUTTING IT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. "TEH" SCIENCE IS SETTLED.
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Male 736
some people fear science and the consequences of overindulgent lifestyles.
the rest of us are going to try fix things.
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Female 1,101
No Mars has lost its atmosphere.

"Long ago Mars lost its atmosphere. Where did it go? We think that most of it is tied up now in rocks. It`s been turned into carbonate. It`s been mineralized." Mars Lost Atmosphere

And according to NASA,

"Mars isn`t so fortunate. Lacking a planet-wide magnetic field, most of the Red Planet is exposed to the full force of the incoming solar wind."
According to NASA no magnetic feild for Mars

IN ANYCASE EVEN IF SMALL REMENANTS OF AN ATMOSPHERE AND MAGNETIC SPHERE REMAIN THEIR ATMOSPHERE CAN NOT HOLD LIQUID WATER OR OTHER GASES LIKE OURS. NO DOUBT Co2 IS NOT CAUSING THEIR WARMING, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEA
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Male 40,269
vv Joke! The rovers were solar-powered :)
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Male 2,748
lol... its been proven that global warming is just a marketing scam...
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Male 13
i remember back in the 70`s, scientist were predicting another ice age. hmmm.
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Male 40,269
[quote]Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet`s recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause[/quote]
I know a1butcher! That`s the link CrakrJak had, which I included in my post :) It`s what I`m trying to say: if MARS is heating up because of OUR CO2 then by golly we`re in a LOT of trouble!
(that last bit is sarcasm, eh? Obviously humans are not making Mars hotter, unless those 2 rovers we sent... OMG! We are making Mars overheat!)
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Male 40,269
[quote]ALSO What does Mars heating up have to do with us heating up? Well maybe nothing! Mars does not even have an atmosphere or a magnetic sphere, so its not exactly comparable to earth![/quote]
NotTHATBored, that last bit is just so full of FAIL! Lolz!
What blows the dust around on Mars? ATMOSPHERE! You`ve confused it with the Moon I think.
It surely does have a magnetosphere, a very weak one, kinda spotty too. But it`s there! Anyhow it`s the atmosphere which traps and retains heat, which comes from the Sun...
SO if Mars is heating up because the SUN is making it do so, then it is 100% possible that the Earth (which is twice as close BTW) is ALSO heating up BECAUSE OF THE SUN NOT HUMANS.
Sorry for the CAPS we really need italics here at IAB :)
So by all means, lets bankrupt the world`s economies, let 4/5 of humanity STARVE to death and return to near cave-man lifestyles, based on AGW. Teh science is settled!
You first.
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Male 936
i agree, its needed that we find new fuels. Its unfortunate that our world leaders think that we need to scared into developing them though.

I also wanted to add that its funny how the sun is responsible for warming mars because there is no atmoshere implying that our atmosphere is blocking those suns rays...but that same atmosphere is also the one trapping the sun rays inside
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Male 166
Ah yes, heaven help we fools who are relying on current observation rather than what unsubstantiated fears may or may not lie down the road...
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Male 3,482
[quote]Its a scam concocted by the worlds governments to boost the advancements of alternate fuels.[/quote]

There`s something wrong with motivating people to be less reliant on the non-renewable, pollution pouring fuels we rely on now?

The way I see it, whether it`s true or not, if it means people will start looking into better energy sources, then by all means we`re the cause of global warming.

Unless we`re not, in which case, we should still be looking for better alternatives to what we have now... And fast.
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Male 936
the scientific community being in agreement with global warming is a false statement. mars heating up is significant because there is no reason for it to heat up at all..however if it is then that means other planets would also (including earth). co2 holding in heat doesnt prove that we are the reason for global warming
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Male 40,269
Well @LazyME, if you`d READ other postings before saying bad things about others, you`d have looked HERE which CrakrJak provided.
A well informed person would be aware the Mars` polar "icecaps" have been shrinking for the past 10 years or so. I didn`t know about Venus heating up (it`s REALLY hot there to start with! lolz!).
SO LOGICALLY [quote">5cats has absolutely no idea what the f*ck he`s talking about[/quote"> because you don`t read back-posts (which is understandable at IAB) and you don`t have an ecclectic mind which soaks up knowledge like a sponge! (A sea-sponge, they`re not all that smart actually...)
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Male 76
It is consensus in the scientific community that humans activity is significantly contributing to global climate change. But it is a lot nicer to listen to random things you hear unqualified friends, relatives and conservative talk show hosts say about global warming, because if you believe we aren`t contributing you don`t need to worry about such a big problem, because hey, it isn`t humans causing it, or hey, it isn`t happening (whichever denial is your preference).
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Female 1,101
@skullgrin here is the link to the experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge0jhYDcazY
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Female 1,101
@skullgrin obviously I already have. Methane AND Co2 are PROVEN to absorb light and to trap heat. We are putting Co2 and Methane into the atmosphere, hence is it likely that we are at the very least contributing to global warming.

Here is a simple experiment you can try at home to see how Co2 traps heat.

ALSO What does Mars heating up have to do with us heating up? Well maybe nothing! Mars does not even have an atmosphere or a magnetic sphere, so its not exactly comparable to earth!
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Male 60
Woooow.....still slidin downhill guys...
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Male 936
to all those who believe in global warming. Why? What data is there for you to believe humans are causing the earth`s climate to change? Dont give me pollution as an answer. Thats not good enough. Give me the proven science as to why you believe its us. Then, after you do that tell me why mars and the other planets in our solar system are also warming. Humans are not the cause of this. Its a scam concocted by the worlds governments to boost the advancements of alternate fuels. Thats it.
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Female 1,101
@aseirinn what are stealt taxes? Stolen taxes?
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Female 1,101
Yes, yes we`ve heard of climate gate, but its also been proven time and time again in laboratories across the globe that co2 and methane absorb light and hold in heat... and it is a well known fact that we are putting large amounts of these into the atmosphere. So is it not logical to conclude that we may in fact be at the very least contributing to global warming or worsening it? Most scientists say yes. Including Bill Nye.
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Male 1,252
My 1000 character rant lol. typo`s negated by neccessity :]

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Male 1,252
Global warming is just tool used by oliticians to smack some sense into ppl about the way we consume/dispose of resources. As they are running out they are more worried about economic stability then they are the actual environmental impact. Fact is we are contributing, and it does exist, but maybe only by .0000000001 pct and there is absolutely jack-poo we can do about it. They tax the drat out of eco-friendly technology its almost impossible to sustainably produce them. So...we owe 12 trillion. Lets make the US hate the arab nations (cough* 911) so we can take their oil, then we`ll destroy the dollar so instead of 60$ a barrel Americans will have to pay $600 a barrel (but we gotta call it "bailouts" and "saving jobs), + a 10 pct tax on it, (.6 => $60) for the good ole inflation scam, and we`ll pay it off in no time. Too bad the the american public will starve to death but meh...at least we get to keep the private ownership of the central ba
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Female 3,828
I believe in global warming, and i believe that plastic is bad for our oceans, and pollution is bad for us (cancer, etc)

but im not exactly sure thats whats causing global warming. i think the earth is just doing it naturally, you know?
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Male 487
i couldn`t read this... I had every light on in my house (incandescent of course), made the screen hard to read.

I tried turning on the furnace, car, dishwaser, nothing worked!

Our species will kill ourselves off before GW matters.
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Male 563
... Climategate? Really?
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Male 1,351
*Raises hand*
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Male 1,590
"Global warming will icrease the overall temperature of the earth, melting polar ice caps. The influx of cold water will kill the gulf stream`s warm currents, basically turning all of europe into a big block of ice. And half the continents will be under water :P YAY"

Sounds like a good idea for a movie.
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Male 4,807
Fartman51

The dinosaurs lasted 100 million years.

We have been on this planet 6000 - 1.75 million( depending who you talk to)

We are destroying mother earth and there is no doubt about THAT.

WE WILL be extinct, sooner or later and GW will not be thhe cause of our extiction
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Male 877
...NOBODY`S DENYING GLOBAL WARMING, ONLY THAT IT WOULD BE HAPPENING ANYWAY WITHOUT MAN`S INFLUENCE...CARBON TAXES ARE STEALT TAXES ON PEOPLE THAT BELIVE THIS NONSENSE...`CLIMATEGATE` IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SWINDLES EVER PERPATRATED IN WORLD HISTORY...
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Male 191
This could just be another average spike...By the time we know for sure most of us will be dead sooo...I say don`t worry about it and keep emitting those pollutants =)
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Male 591
as Lionhart said...

why worry about it? we are all doomed in 2012, might as well have fun till then!

BTW im selling 2012 insurance! 15$ to my paypal, if you do die and go to heaven (sorry hell excluded from this, they will take the money anyways at the door) I will give you 100million dollars!
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Male 122
I`m not drinking the Kool-Aid yet f*ckers! I still have faith in technology and human kind. I may be a fool, but I`m digging life brothers and sisters.
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Female 1,515
Oh and invest in winter jackets.
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Female 1,515
Global warming will icrease the overall temperature of the earth, melting polar ice caps. The influx of cold water will kill the gulf stream`s warm currents, basically turning all of europe into a big block of ice. And half the continents will be under water :P YAY

According to most climatologists, we`re past the point of redemption anyways. There`s pretty much nothing we can do at this point to stop it unless it was to stop emitting any sort of air waste whatsoever. But if we stopped, Eyjafjallajokul would keep it going for us. Just sit back and enjoy the shyt storm.
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Male 122
I, too, have been watching this one all day. I`m very amused by the comment from madest, "Nothing bad can happen from accepting the science. But lots of bad things can happen from denying the science." If I didn`t know better that seems awfully familiar to the Christian`s argument about why you should believe in God...Just saying...
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Male 67
@A1Butcher

Yeah, I was pretty sure that we could get ourselves out of any poo we were dumb enough to fall in, but the oil pump spill changed my mind a lot. Now I don`t know, but mankind has adapted to a lot, so hopefully we can adapt ourselves to the planet, for once, instead of the other thing around.
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Male 4,807
Fartman51.. You read my mind! Cept man kind is more or less doomed because of or greed ..and our greed for oil will destroy the earth way quicker the GW.
Look at what happened from ONE oil platform in the Gulf. How many 100`s are out there?
Look at the cigerrette butts, Pcb`s, laytex, water bottles, diapers, tampons....
We have envariably doomed OUR planet.

GW is the least of my worries
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Female 1,101
@jesbur I guess its relative, because to me you are on the wagon.
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Female 1,101
@Crakr jack you can`t just say it would be better if the earth where to warm than to cool unless you have some scientific evidence to support that assertion. Disease? Parasites? Desertification? What about those?

And even if the Earth does cool, it could still be caused by all the CO2 we pumped into the atmosphere, there are a million different chain reactions that could take place and a million different projections to match them...we might end up in an ice age. The point is, it is PROVEN that Co2 and methane are greenhouse gasses that adsorb infrared light and it is PROVEN that the levels are increasing due to human activity! So I would say it is LIKELY that one way or another it will effect the global temperature.
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Male 67
Alright, this is just my opinion, but here we go.

If Global Warming (the proper term is Climate Change, though) isn`t real, will lessening pollution make things worse? Simply put, no. Less pollution means healthier future generations, as well as more beautiful scenic vistas and such. Also, an entirely new class of businesses would arise, dealing only in the green field and how to make our sources more energy efficient.
Now, even if Global Warming isn`t real, wouldn`t that be nice? And if Global Warming is real, well, we dodged a bullet and made future generations a better life on Earth. I see nothing wrong with preparing for the worst when it would improve everything else.
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Male 4,807
I`m really opinionated but my slow typing speed and such makes it so I would enviably become a target
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Male 4,807
Lazy.. I find he is trying to make a point. 5cat can be rather opinionated as can Madest and all others...(myself included).
What I find entertaining is the fact neither side sways much from their original opinion.

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Male 12
global warming is a crock, weather goes in paterns, sometimes its warmer, sometimes colder, god ppl are so quick to jump on the band wagon
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Male 8,302
> dfcrackhead
> I`m more scared of the fact that the kid never aged

Oh yeah, we forgot to mention that Humanity died off in 2012 thanks to the dang Aztecs, and we had to make 6 billion clones from the only survivor - a cartoon character brought to life by the power of 3D Adult Movies.
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Male 10,440
[quote] how about the next post you make explains how Earth`s CO2 is making Mars (and Venus!) heat up? Just how are humans doing that, eh? [/quote]

I have this vague feeling that 5cats has absolutely no idea what the f*ck he`s talking about. Anyone else getting that feeling?
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Male 40,269
[quote]We are too dumb for our own good.[/quote]
Speak for yourself madest! At least I can figure out that SUN > HUMANS
Nice try at your usual tactic though: change the subject. Sad really...
Say madest? were we pumping poo back in the 2nd Holocene Climate Optimum too? (4000 years ago, eh?)

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Male 4,807
Awesome.. I`ve been following this war all day.

BOTH SIDES of the debate, at some point or another, literally resorts to name calling and/or nitpicking.


Round 7.....Ding ding
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Male 16
Granted man`s emissions into earth`s atmosphere is certainly not good and we need to find a cleaner alternative. Temperatures and climates change naturally due to Earths orbit and off axis rotation.
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Male 776
"We are too dumb for our own good."
Including yourself apparently...
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Male 210
As a mailman, I look forward to 2025. Delivering mail in the snow sucks!
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Male 7,378
@ 5Cats, Are you saying to me with a straight face that: 200 years of pumping poo into the atmosphere has no effect what-so-ever? Is that what you as a rational thinking being believe? Because if it is then there`s just no hope for mankind. We are too dumb for our own good.
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Male 40,269
vv lolz! Vampires aren`t afraid of global warming!
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Male 327
I`m more scared of the fact that the kid never aged than I am of global warming...
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Male 40,269
Hey madest, how about the next post you make explains how Earth`s CO2 is making Mars (and Venus!) heat up? Just how are humans doing that, eh?
Isn`t there a more, you know, rational explaination, like THE SUN?
And if you repeat a lie as true, you are in fact lieing yourself. Just admit it!
You want to know what`s sad? You being so far out of your league madest. Begone reaction troll!
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Female 1,545
puppies04, on the same token, take nothing you read on the Internet to heart.

If you want facts, go to original publications. Articles from scholarly journals, folks.
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Male 295
Woo its a forum where people rage and make huuuuuge comments that no one cares about...
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Male 167
All they want to do is, turn Oklahoma into ocean front property. what`s so bad about that?
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Male 7,378
madest: No amount of "proof" would suffice for you madest.
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Well that`s a bit harsh. Are you comparing me to someone who`s seen the birth certificate but still doesn`t believe it?
I have witnessed warming 1st hand in my life on my little corner of the planet. Plants that were indiginous to N. Carolina 30years ago are now thriving here. Used to see tadpoles in every puddle I passed as a kid, I haven`t seen a tadpole in 15years or more. Nothing bad can happen from accepting the science. But lots of bad things can happen from denying the science.
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Male 27
I hate this one.. stop global whining now!!!

this has to be the dumbest thing ever. saying that in the year 2025 the whole world is a desert? the focus on global warming makes the world look extremely ridiculous. I really can`t stretch how much I hate this one. The rationalization against global warming is far more reliable than the rationalization for global warming. it is a lie.. stop talking about it and get it out of your head, and let normal people continue going on with their lives without having to listen to your nonsense.
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Male 1,629
i love how everyones bitching about global warming but everyone is just now realizing this kinda thing happens when the magnetic poles shift but w.e
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Male 686
Forget global warming, it is more a case of global "dumbing". You sheep hear a bunch of famous people with alternate agendas on their mind (usually just justifying being on tv) spout unfounded and hashed figures and suddenly humans are going to turn the planet into toast.

Please go read some of the vast amount of information on the internet (not on propaganda sites i mean real information) and for god’s sake make your own drating mind up for a change instead of playing how many retards can you fit on a bandwagon at once.

Jesus i though the human race was supposed to be intelligent
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Male 10,440
I pity those who both deny climate change and aren`t renowned climatologists.
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Female 2,352
I do find it annoying when the argument against global warming is "look it f*cking snowed you are wrong." XD
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Male 17,512
National Geographic Feb 2007.

Mars & Venus were warming up as well (2002-2005). Mankind has no effect on their temperatures.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," - Habibullo Abdussamatov

Now a decline in temps is predicted. SSRC
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Male 17,512
madest: No amount of "proof" would suffice for you madest. I`ve even cited well a known AGW scientist, That says the temps are going down. I Guess you won`t believe it till you freeze to death one day.
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Male 17,512
I wish global warming was true, It`s far better for farming and global food production in general to have higher temps than lower ones.

Problem is the sun is 2 years late on producing sunspots, A solar minimum cycle may be upon us and that means much colder temperatures. Colder temperatures are much more dangerous and limit food production meaning famines, starvation, and wars over those diminishing resources.
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Male 17,512
Baalthazaq: I was pointing out some of the lengths AGW proponents will go to to scare people into believing them.
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Female 427
I still don`t believe in global warming.
It`s cooler here in Florida than it has ever been. It`s kind of like 2012 prophecies, Y2K, and all that bullcrap. Something for people to worry about that they really couldn`t do anything about if it did exist. If these were impending doom situation, someone would be actually doing something about it. Swine flu, etc. How long for a vaccine? and how long has it been around? I rest my case.
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Male 4,807
Xerasia
"Nzoe is a moron. could someone who knows this idiot kill him please? thanks in advance. :)"

Wow, asking for murder just cause they disagree with some people?
Jihad much?
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Male 107
But damn, you`re not American, so there`s no chance that you can weigh enough to cause that much damage. Amidoinitright non-Americans? I`m new to this whole "Americans are fat asses" thing.

Sorry, but I meant the "global warming is a lie" thing, coming from and being widely supported by americans,which is of course bullpoo.
Blaming all of Global Warming on the US would be, although you peeople play a big role, very stupid.
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Male 1,254
Be careful so high up there on your pedestal zebra. If you fall, you`ll likely wind up causing a nuclear winter after impact.

But damn, you`re not American, so there`s no chance that you can weigh enough to cause that much damage. Amidoinitright non-Americans? I`m new to this whole "Americans are fat asses" thing.
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Male 107
Thanks, Zebrameat. I suppose Americans are responsible for the ice ages and the the asteroid that extinguished the dinosaurs as well.

Yeah, as for a country that consumes roughly 1/3 of the worldwide oil recources while holding just 1/20 of the whole world´s population, as for a country whose governtment has been / is strongly influenced by the oil industry lobby, as for a country which is the main source of all the unfounded global warming criticism and as for a country which is widely known for its reckless and egoistic culture of consumerism and exploitation;
Yeah, I think it´s justified to blame the American.
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Female 1,181
Nzoe is a moron. could someone who knows this idiot kill him please? thanks in advance. :)
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Male 4,807
The polar bear is the worst shop I`ve seen on IAB in a while.

Just saying
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Male 1,254
I also find it interesting that meteorologists can`t get the forecast right 10 days in advance, yet in climatology (a much more complicated discipline) they seemingly claim that the world`s fate is sealed if we don`t take dramatic action. Let`s remember the famous predictions that the summer after Katrina would have the worst hurricanes on record.

I believe there is some warming/climate change, but I have no clue whether or not it is cyclic or how dramatic the effects will be. Earth`s history has shown both decline into and recovery from many extreme environments. Could it do so again? I don`t know, all the lay-men don`t know, and despite what they think, climatologists don`t know.

Plan of action? Take "precautionary" steps, but avoid any extreme measures. Business, industry and the environment can work together if you get them on the same level. Some people are trying to do that, but not enough.
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Male 16
It`s pretty obvious to me that the natural CO2 level wasn`t the CAUSE of climate change, but the result of it. Our CO2 contribution is huge, but the temperature is right where it is for the "natural" CO2 levels.

Regardless of how much you, or anyone else wants to attribute CO2 to some future disaster hocus-pocus, the facts remain that there is no evidence that the human footprint on the world will be responsible for an unnatural heating of the planet.Read this, morons.
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Male 273
that argument makes no sense madest. we use 25% of the energy...so we are the minority (US vs Everyone). how is america to blame again?
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Male 1,254
Interesting, most reports on climate change contend that the effects will result in more a more tropical climate over the globe, not barren desert.

Ignoring details and skewing facts to achieve some pseudo-political high ground, this comic must have been made by Fox News! Amidoinitright? I`m new to this whole "bash Fox News" thing.
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Male 84
Real or not real this is a good thing.

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Male 273
anyone want to explain that polar bears don`t live on ice??? if you saw me sitting in my backyard would you assume i live outdoors? polar bears live and mate on land. they only go out to eat and play.
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Male 10,338
Are there pictures of polar bears on ice flows?

Yes.

Are the polar bear populations declining?

Nope. Thriving.

http://tinyurl.com/24aseuo
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Male 4,546
Crakr, are you suggesting, as you seem to be, that the article was suggesting the photo was real?

Are you suggesting there are no photos of polar bears on ice flows?



Do you lose now? Is there any actual point you wish to make at this point? In words? Without pointing randomly at things you find on the internet and wiggling your eyebrows in its general direction and acting as if you`ve found something significant?

The photo was fine. This photo:
would also have been fine. (P.S. It isn`t real), though perhaps in bad taste.
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Male 49
"And all that `global warming is a conspiracy by the government to tax us more` thing was invented by lazy americans who can`t get their asses out of their so-beloved SUVs and finally take some responibilty."

Thanks, Zebrameat. I suppose Americans are responsible for the ice ages and the the asteroid that extinguished the dinosaurs as well.
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Male 177
Actually, Fiizok, I would attest to the quote. All of the various media gathered around her as she said what was quoted. Just vid-google for Sarah Palin leaving office.
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Male 10,338
Like I said. Not many people deny climate change. I think climate change and global warming are two different things.
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Male 305
You know, for someone that is so blatantly against God because there is no proof...
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Female 1,963
This is why "climate change" is a much more accurate description.

My attitude is this: I am not a scientist, and therefore I don`t know what exactly the facts are. Therefore, I will believe the vast majority of scientists (who are saying that climate change is happening). Even if they are dead wrong, what harm can be done by trying to live just a little bit more ecologically?
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Male 10,338
@fiizok:

"Nevermind, auburnjunkie. I knew you were full of it."

Wait, what?

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Male 591
Nevermind, auburnjunkie. I knew you were full of it.
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Male 591
Care to source those quotes, auburnjunkie?
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Male 273
here`s some names...
EVERY SCIENTIST THAT DISAGREES WITH MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING

big enough list for you? cause i`m pretty sure there is a 1000 character limit
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Male 10,338
@fiizok:

Sources for what?
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Male 275
way to paint all people who don`t necessarily agree with the idea of man-made global warming as weirdos. Thanks a lot.
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Male 25,417
To realise global warning watch south park, the day after the day after tomorrow, that pretty much sums it up!
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Male 273
i don`t need to, it`s your game plan, not mine. Im not the one calling people dumb for questioning "facts"
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Male 273
that`s right Zebrameat, it`s those lazy americans.
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Male 68
Too true, madest.
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Male 591
Care to source those quotes, auburnjunkie?
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Male 107
Okay, sorry guys, but despite global warming being true, winter will still be cold for a very long time.
Every drating winter I can hear the phrase: "Oh it´s so cold, there can´t be global warming!"
Bullpoo! It´s just LESS cold every year,and that just by a fracture of a degree, water still freezes at 0°C.Also there are other factors that controle the weather other than GW.
And all that "global warming is a conspiracy by the government to tax us more" thing was invented by lazy americans who can´t get their asses out of their so-beloved SUVs and finally take some responibilty.
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Male 10,338
Bush: There are WMD`s in Iraq.

"We need to question that"

Obama: There are no death panels in universal health care.

"ALL HAIL!"
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Male 273
so when liberals are in charge, blindly following "experts" is the smart thing to do. But when there`s a conservative view point, questioning the source is the smart thing to do. which is it madest?
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Male 10,338
@madest:

"For them believing in Global Warming is tantamount to being a liberal and all sense and reason is lost."

When the mouth of the Global Warming movement is Al "MANBEARPIG" Gore, then what do you expect people to think?
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Male 10,338
@madest:

The other two were fine. But let`s look at this one.

"It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: `Sit down and shut up,` but that`s the worthless, easy path; that`s a quitter`s way out." --Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009

Were you trying to say she was saying "quitter`s way out" during a speech for her resignation? I assume that`s what was "Only dead fish go with the flow" was for too.

Have you ever left a job for something better? More pay, more responsibility, more prestige?

Would YOU be a quitter if you did that?

Let`s see. Governor of Alaska, making probably less than 200k a year, OR, author, news correspondent, potential leader of a political party, and possible presidential candidate, Making millions in the process.

I`ll take option 2 please!
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Male 273
@ fiizok

I don`t think I`ve ever been frightened by climate
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Male 591
CrakrJak, that was a failure of journalists, not of scientists. Your accusation is misleading at best.
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Male 17,512
Anthropogenic Global Warming supporters wouldn`t dare do anything dishonest now would they ?

Photo Gate

Ooops.
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Male 591
Did anyone else see the statement from the National Academy of Science that was issued last week regarding global warming? Truly frightening stuff.
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Male 273
madest is sad cause he has old balls
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Male 155
HAHAHAH too bad so called `global warming` has been around for far longer than 2010.... yet its still cold in winter and hot in the summer. I`d be willing to bet we see another cartoon like this in 2025 and it`ll still be just as cold and snowy to start out with.

Global warming is truly, seriously, a money maker at best. Sorry folks
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Male 16
...*counterparts?
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Male 16
"Woop, woop, woop! Conspiracy alert! Get your tinfoil hats on, quickly!

Yeah, scientists get murdered all the time for disproving theories. Happens every other day around here. Alien spaceships disguised as black helicopters use death rays. Straight through the roof, kill them in bed. Nasty. I blame the lizards."


Riiiight. I`m the looney because I say the obvious. Global warming activists are a stupid mob of elitist pricks who take pleasure in pretending to know poo they have no clue about.

They`re just as smart as the "We`re in Iraq for our safety" people, the "We`re in Afghanistan for our safety" people, and the "The war on drugs is for our safety" people. Wake the f~*k up, there`s a reason behind every sensationalistic, politically motivated cause, and it isn`t to save you, me, or the world.

How many of the "deniers" of those things get more media attention than their advocate counterpar
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Male 273
actually, my employer pays for my salary. where do you get the idea that I don`t work or pay taxes??
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Male 820
You can have global warming without it being man-made. What most people have a problem with is the man-made part of the claim. Climate change is a natural part of the life cycle of the Earth, but to think man is great enough to effect it is silly.
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Male 17,512
The models don`t fit what is actually happening.

The Failure Of Climate Models

"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."
- Kevin Trenberth, Head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.
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Male 425
I didn`t know such people existed... These the same ones that say "evolution isn`t real cos this book says so"
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Male 12,365
[quote]Funny thing is in the 60`s it was called global cooling[/quote]

Thank you for providing such a clear display of the ignorance of you personally and in general of those who think climate change is a global conspiracy.

The "incoming ice age" stuff of the late 60s and early 70s was a *media* thing, not a science thing. A few comments from scientists saying that ice ages occured more than once and we were in a warm period between ice ages that was longer than some previous warm periods became ICE AGE IS COMING OMG WTF! headlines in the media.

To say that`s the same as the consensus on climate change today shows the depth of your lack of knowledge of the issue.
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Male 273
what`s that fancylad?

oh of course i agree with whatever you post
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Male 273
Madest got reader of the month for sucking up
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Male 273
@ madest

what`s wrong with any of that?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Read: If any scientist disproved climate change, he would never get any network access, never get any grants, and in all probability, have a very short life.[/quote]

Woop, woop, woop! Conspiracy alert! Get your tinfoil hats on, quickly!

Yeah, scientists get murdered all the time for disproving theories. Happens every other day around here. Alien spaceships disguised as black helicopters use death rays. Straight through the roof, kill them in bed. Nasty. I blame the lizards.
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Male 16
... tell me why the IPCC and various scientists WOULDN`T sell out for $$.

Of course, if you think debunking this would make a scientist famous, I`d love to hear your naive reasoning behind that theory.
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Male 16
Here`s a note on the IPCC

"They falsely claim it’s never been hotter – but won’t let you check their reasoning why. They demand we change the entire way we run the economy – but refuse to divulge how they came to that conclusion."

This is true. Look it the F~*k up. Then believe it because they tell you it`s true. Stupidity.

So, bob...

"By the way Nzoe, the government is tapping your phone line and your internet connection, surveilling you with hidden cameras, letting terrorist immigrants in to steal your job and your wimmin, and supressing the truth that unicorns exist because their unicorn horns give eternal life when ground into a powder and sprinkled over nachos."

I`m not the one that believes stupid things without proof. I`m the one what chooses not to believe stupid things without proof. Your analogy is moronic.

Also, if you don`t believe that $$ isn`t behind this, why don`t you
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Male 32
Funny thing is in the 60`s it was called global cooling
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Female 665
Damn, how old is that kid?
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Male 273
@ Goalijerry

so before liberals were in charge being anti-establishment was cool
but now being anti-establishment means i can`t read and don`t smoke pot???

you really assume a lot about me
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Male 4,290
God, sometimes the sheer stupidity and paranoia on here astounds me. I`m done. Gonna go play some TF2.

By the way Nzoe, the government is tapping your phone line and your internet connection, surveilling you with hidden cameras, letting terrorist immigrants in to steal your job and your wimmin, and supressing the truth that unicorns exist because their unicorn horns give eternal life when ground into a powder and sprinkled over nachos.
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Male 451
@Nzoe

Do you realize you mis-spelled realize? Do you realize the spell check even points it out for you?
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Male 16
I also don`t see a scientist, or group of scientists, that are celebrities for proving global warming. Do you want to know why?

Because it`s being pushed by activists and political parties, not scientists. Before all the hype, no scientist would come out and say "holy sh*t, look at this information, we gotta CHANGE poo!". No... there is no "father of global warming".

It`s just "they" said it. It`s always spoken of like it`s a proven fact, while scientists are paid stupid amounts of money to make the facts fit.
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Mind you... Just imagine if Darwin understood genetics when he was starting The Origin of species.
I think he would have really been called a nut case then.
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Male 17,512
Zerocyde: It`s fact look it up, The IPCC decided to hide the medieval warm period and the little ice age to make Mann`s `hockey stick` look more frightening.

The IPCC`s own charts from 1995 show both phenomena, Then they `erased` them when they became inconvenient.
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Male 16
"You clearly have no understanding of how the scientific community works."

Sure I do.

Do you realise how incredibly famous and wealthy a scientist would become if he could overturn an established theory?

If the theory wasn`t a political dragon to slay, with the perpetuation of the theory being particularly important to those with $$, yes, I know how the science community works.


"If any scientist disproved climate change, he would be set for life."

Read: If any scientist disproved climate change, he would never get any network access, never get any grants, and in all probability, have a very short life.

"Touring and giving talks, writing books which would be referenced for the rest of time... they would become the [insert popular celebrity`s name] of climate science."

Again, if the global warming issue wasn`t a political issue for ignorant elitists to protest, you could be right.

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Male 4,807
almightybob1... yea, thats what I was getting at in a nut shell.

Sorry to lose you, I`m a horribly slow typerist.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Charles Darwin comes to mind....[/quote]
Eh? You lost me there.
You mean that he overturned the perceptions at the time and is now one of the most famous scientists of all time?
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Male 4,807
auburnjunky... But god farts rainbows, Ezekiel 25:17.... not CO2. Duh!
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@CrakrJak

So blinded by fox news.

A. Global warming has nothing to do with warm\cool trends.
B. If you knew dick about this you would know exactly what they meant. But no, f*ck what they meant right? F*ck finding out for yourself. Just go with what your shepard, fox says: "SCIENCE EMAIL HAD WORD TRICK IN IT, SO, SCIENCE = FAKE! DUR HURHURHUR!"
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

How is that anti-establishment?

Look dude. You come in in the middle of the conversation and just spout bullshat.

I`m calling shenanigans. There`s a difference between debate, and targeting a certain view because it is conservative. You are just flaming.
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Male 4,014
"Global warming IS a religion"

And you must feel so cool to be so anti-establishment! YEAH! Stupid liberals with their science and learning, and make-out / pot parties! Makes me and my bible SICK!
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Male 10,338
Global Warming is a religion, and Al Gore is Jesus.

Climate Change on the other hand, is real and nobody is refuting that.

Climate changes all the time.
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Male 273
Global warming IS a religion
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Male 10,338
@a1butcher:

God farted, and that`s causing CO2 levels to rise.
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Male 4,807
almightybob1 "Do you realise how incredibly famous and wealthy a scientist would become if he could overturn an established theory?"


Charles Darwin comes to mind....
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

Because nothing has changed, and he is attempting to change things for the worse.

That`s another topic for another thread. I was just using an example.

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Male 4,807
This is an awesome flame war.... I expect more global warming posts, coming to an IAB near you.

Now if we can some how tie religion into global warming....
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Male 273
angry and bitter??

yeah and john stewart is a kitten on tv isn`t he
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry:

WE ALL AGREE CLIMATE CHANGE IT HAPPENING!

Some of us are not convinced GLOBAL WARMING is happening.

The two are DIFFERENT/NOT RELATED.

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Male 273
@ goaliejerry

wow, not even close to the same topic. looks like desperation is creeping in
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Male 4,014
"can you just stop with the left leaning posts?"

Feel free to submit your own content. Problem is, Conservatives aren`t funny, just angry and bitter.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Your multinational scientific body, and your space agency are both slaves to funding. Guess what gets funding? Telling the world that Global Warming is bunk? Or making the facts say what the people with the $$ want them to say?[/quote]

You clearly have no understanding of how the scientific community works.
Do you realise how incredibly famous and wealthy a scientist would become if he could overturn an established theory? If any scientist disproved climate change, he would be set for life. Touring and giving talks, writing books which would be referenced for the rest of time... they would become the [insert popular celebrity`s name] of climate science.
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Male 4,014
"Barack Obama lied, and not crap has changed"

If nothing has changed, why are tea-baggers flipping the hell out?
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Male 4,014
blah blah blah - I respectfully will not longer listen to layman`s opinions about global warming, just as I don`t take laymen`s opinions regarding cancer, or heart disease - BOTH scientific fields with LESS consensus than climate change.

Global warming denialists are like people who believe what Jenny McCarthy says about autism over the scientific community. Look! She has a child, she MUST know science! Look, she was on Oprah!

Oooo, Vaccines cause autism despite multiple studies showing no link, trust her, she`s, um, posed in Playboy for years, and has an autistic child! This, despite multiple, repeated studies showing NO LINK.

So go ahead right-wing nut bags, keep denying Science and progress. Catholics persecuted Galileo, and guess what? Now we have the Hubble Telescope, and Catholic priests molest children across the globe.
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Male 10,338
For instance:

"How`s that hopey-changey thing goin` for ya!"

Translation:

Barack Obama lied, and not crap has changed. Good job genius.
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Male 273
And this is to I-A-B

this cartoon isn`t really funny at all.
just because it`s calling non-global warming enthusiasts dumb doesn`t make it funny.

can you just stop with the left leaning posts?
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Male 10,338
@madest:

What simple minded things? Are you referring to some of the jokey things she says?

That`s called speaking to the common man. She`s saying intelligent things in a funny way so stupid people can understand.

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Male 4,290
[quote]Yeah, your #1 and #3 source is from a guy who thought global warming was a GOOD thing. Obviously a smart guy...[/quote]
His opinion on it is irrelevant. What matters are the facts he documented, which are irrefutable.

[quote]ForAllThSin > almightybob1[/quote]
Really 5Cats? His paper-thin attempts to discredit reputable scientific bodies impressed you? That saddens me.
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Male 273
GRRRR... I CAN`T WIN THIS... MAKE FUN OF SARAH PALIN
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Male 10,338
Very good point Nzoe.
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Male 17,512



It`s been warmer than it is now and a lot colder too. When meteorologists can`t predict the weather, With certainty, 24 to 48 hours in advance. How are we to believe the same sort of scientists on their 10-20-30 year predictions ?
Why would we believe them at all when they admit in their private e-mails that they use `tricks` and try to `hide the decline` ?.
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Male 10,338
@5cats:

They run to FoxNews when a conservative says anything.

Like MSNBC or CNN or ABC News aren`t liberal at all. They are totally unbiased.

Maybe I should read the New York Times or The Washington Post to get my news.
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Male 16
Your multinational scientific body, and your space agency are both slaves to funding. Guess what gets funding? Telling the world that Global Warming is bunk? Or making the facts say what the people with the $$ want them to say?
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Male 273
no, really any source that claims a farting cow is going to destroy the climate
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Male 40,269
[quote]maybe a souce NOT titled, Global warming enthusiasts weekly might help[/quote]
ForAllThSin > almightybob1
Lolz!
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Male 16
Yeah, your #1 and #3 source is from a guy who thought global warming was a GOOD thing. Obviously a smart guy...
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Male 4,290
[quote]maybe a souce not titled, Global warming enthusiasts weekly might help[/quote]

The first source was a scientist in the 19th century. You can`t seriously be suggesting the conspiracy started then.
The second source is a multinational scientific body.
The third is a space agency, who have nothing to gain from either supporting or discrediting climate change - their remit is space exploration.
The fourth is a journal that reports on things to do with mass spectrometry. A tiny fraction of this application is in climate science.

So any source that accepts modern science is biased then?
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Male 40,269
[quote]@ AJ, Did you expect FoxNews to report on that?[/quote]
So madest, now you`re stooping to blaming FoxNews when you get caught in your lies? Who do you think you are? POTUS??? Just ADMIT YOU"RE WRONG man! It`s good for your soul!!!!
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Male 273
and who`s wearing the tinfoil hat here, the one who doesn`t buy the hype or the one crying that the end of the world is upon us?
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Male 4,290
vegas: you are wrong.
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Female 1,682
I still think Global Warming is a bunch of BS...Its probably a bit warmer then it should be (because of us) But other then that I don`t think its an actual epidemic. Personally I think the Earth goes through climate changes. So eh. That is all I have to say -shrugs-
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Male 273
maybe a souce not titled, Global warming enthusiasts weekly might help
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Male 4,290
[quote]
1) and 3)biased source
2)biased source
4)biased source
5)and 6)biased source[/quote]

Hahaha. And what sources are unbiased then? Tinfoil Hat Weekly?
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Male 10,338
@forallthsin:

Why do you think they are biased?
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Male 734
My rationalization (as is thousands of other scientists) that the Earth is not warming is the simple fact that it`s actually cooling year after year after year after year after year after year after year. When something is consistently cooling all the time, it`s hard to make the claim that it`s warming. Has anyone else been noticing that it`s not "Global Warming" any more it`s now "Climate Change"? The reason is because even the enviro nuts even admit it`s not warming any more.
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Male 10,338
Although if Fox News did report on it, they would say he is a liberal making it up to hurt Palin`s political aspirations, which I would agree with.
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Male 273
@ bob

1) and 3)biased source
2)biased source
4)biased source
5)and 6)biased source
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Male 10,338
No, nor do I read Fox News. I usually read BBC or Reuters.
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Male 40,269
Sunspots & Cycles expertly explained:
http://tinyurl.com/2vncrop
I think I suggested this, it`s a very good thing, learning.
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Male 4,290
"Cite reliable sources or shut the f*ck up you secondhand know-it-all."

OK.
1) and 3) Arrhenius, 1896
2) IPCC
4) NASA
5) and 6) International Journal of Mass Spectrometry
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Male 40,269
Hey madest! YOUR music teacher says you have a very small brain! That`s all the PROOF I need! lolz!
Consider it a FACT!
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Male 273
once again bob, you show how believers are incredibly ego-centric.
"climate change is about long-term effects"

your 18-29 years is not long-term in global standards.
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@madest:

"Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said."

Let`s look deeper.

".....recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska."

OH SNAP! THERE IT IS!

Let`s look at that again.

".....who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and ****has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.****"

So I should believe him?
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Male 16
@gorgack2000

Now you just have to attribute the rising sea level there specifically to the polar ice caps melting. THEN you have to attribute the polar ice caps melting due to HUMANS, and not, say, the natural change in climate. Do you understand that even one piece of possibly coincidental evidence doesn`t make your argument any more sane?

"Like how the glaciers are melting at a far more rapid pace than they were 100 years ago? They`ve compared test results from 100 years ago with results taken in the present and found that."

Need sources. WHO THE F*CK IS "THEY"?

"Actually it`s the deniers doing that. Science points out that climate change is affecting the planets and the deniers refuse to believe it."

I`ve still been shown absolutely NO science to back any of your claims. Really, give evidence, or stfu.
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Male 40,269
[quote]How many scientists does it take to convince you Global Warming is real?[/quote]
madest I don`t want "scientists" I want SCIENCE!
I don`t care how many "scientists" hold up an orange and tell me it`s an apple. It`s still an orange and they`re still full of crap!
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@almightybob
correlation =/= causation
There was a period known as the "little ice age" that peaked around the time of Napoleon. Its been warming BACK TO NORMAL since then. We have only just risen above the average for the last 5000 years in the last decade and the trend looks like it could be going back down. The trend of global temperature on the geological scale (millions of years) has always been going down. Even if we were to cause the Earth to warm up, it wouldn`t be like it hasn`t been that warm before, and things got along just fine. Our climate is changing, like it always does, not from one state to another, but in a smooth, fluid transition. There is no need to forestall human progress because of it. Cleaner fuels should be used for efficiency`s sake, we should avoid oil because it causes international disputes. Scare tactics aren`t necessary.
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Male 4,290
An individual flare hardly affects the earth`s temperature at all, and obviously cannot have a long-term effect. Climate change is about long-term effects. Therefore solar flares do not impact climate change.

The solar cycle IS a longer-term effect, but the temperature anomaly does not conform to a cyclic pattern, which it would if the solar cycle was the cause of climate change.
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Male 273
bob you`re basically saying that an increased solar flares that are on schedule with the solar cycle can increase the temp on earth. but the increased solar flares that are random and don`t follow the cycle have no effect on the earth other than radio transmissions. sounds a little selective, maybe your kind of science would work will with the other euro scientist that lied about their data in the first place
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Male 40,269
[quote]Put simply - you are wrong.
These are all facts:[/quote]
Mars`s icecaps are melting! There`s water where there never was before!
THEREFORE: Humans MUST be the cause! Lets tax them!
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Male 10,338
Guys guys guys.

It is fine to ask someone to prove what they say, but insults make you look like a dolt.
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Male 10,338
@madest:

Cite that. I don`t believe she said that.
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Male 16
"Put simply - you are wrong.
These are all facts:
1) Atmospheric greenhouse gases have a proven heating effect on the earth.
2) CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
3) More greenhouse gases means a warmer planet.
4) The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have risen quite dramatically since the industrial revolution.
5) The CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels has a different chemical signature (isotopes etc - Davy can tell you more about this than I can) to CO2 produced naturally by other means.
6) The extra CO2 is demonstrably caused by humans because of this chemical signature.

Therefore, global warming is man-made."

Cite reliable sources or shut the f*ck up you secondhand know-it-all.
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@almightybob:

I`ll have to find it, so forgive me madest, but I read somewhere that for every tree cut down worldwide, there are 3 planted.

It`s a cycle man. I think the sun may be influencing how the earth processes CO2. Maybe?
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Male 273
you got me bob. you are correct, they are different. but i was saying you are wrong about flares not effecting the temp on earth. especially increased frequency of the flairs.
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Male 4,290
"no, you`re wrong about that one too bob"

No, I`m not.
The solar cycle is an 11-year trend.
A solar flare is an explosion.
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Male 4,290
Yes a1butcher, that is photosynthesis.

The problem is when the CO2 is in the upper atmosphere. Obviously plants can`t photosynthesise it there, and it is up there that the greenhouse effect kicks in, and the heat is trapped in our atmosphere, warming the planet.

More trees would help, because then they can catch more CO2. That`s one of the reasons why deforestation is a big problem. But we also need to reduce our CO2 output, because there`s too much extra and our trees can`t keep it in check.
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Male 273
it`s all a hoax bob. Even your religious leader Al Gore just bought oceanfront property after telling everyone that the sea levels were on the rise.
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Male 10,338
Why Mcfudge,

This is exactly the opposite of what Rush believes.
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Male 10,338
@madest:

Isn`t it okay to look at the evidence and make up your own mind?
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Male 537
He should have made the dude look like Rush Limbahhhh
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Male 273
no, you`re wrong about that one too bob
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Male 4,290
You`re right (congrats!), solar flares and solar cycles have very little to do with one another.

I charitably assumed that you meant solar cycles, since those are the ones that actually affect the Earth`s temperature.
Solar flares are one-off explosions that cause electrostatic interference, but no long-term warming.
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Male 4,290
Feel free to counter any of my arguments. Go on, try one. I can wait.

Or shall we just trade insults?
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Male 4,807
Just one question... this might be a stupid Q. But....
What do plants "breathe in"? is it not CO2?
do they not "breathe out" O2 ??

The process I believe,is called photosynthesis.
So by putting more co2 into the air are we not helping the plant?

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Male 977
Who the f#$%! came up with global "warming" anyway? I always thought it sounded rather pleasant. Should be called EARTH MELTING!!!
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Male 273
and bob, fyi solar cycles and solar flares really have nothing to do with eachother
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Male 273
wow, you do love yourself
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Male 4,290
ForAllThSin: When your argument degenerates to attacking the username of the person, that`s when you admit you`ve lost.

For your information, Almighty Bob is a character in a book by Douglas Adams.
The fact that I am intellectually superior to you is purely coincidence.
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[quote]I don`t disbelieve in global warming. What I find dumb is thinking that we humans have any effect on it. [/quote]
Put simply - you are wrong.
These are all facts:
1) Atmospheric greenhouse gases have a proven heating effect on the earth.
2) CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
3) More greenhouse gases means a warmer planet.
4) The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have risen quite dramatically since the industrial revolution.
5) The CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels has a different chemical signature (isotopes etc - Davy can tell you more about this than I can) to CO2 produced naturally by other means.
6) The extra CO2 is demonstrably caused by humans because of this chemical signature.

Therefore, global warming is man-made.


Yes, solar activity also causes increases and decreases in the Earth`s temperature - but the solar cycle is roughly 11 years. This warming trend goes on longer than that.
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Male 1,678
This cartoon actually makes people who believe in global warming look stupid, it hints that they believe the entire planet will be a barron desert in 15 years time. Criticising people for arguments that they haven`t even made also makes you look stupid, almost as if you have no proof to back up your point.
Climate change exists, global warming doesn`t. The earths climate has changed regularly ever since the place existed, in my opinion its actually very arrogant to think that we have such a big role on this planet that we can change the drating weather!!!
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Male 5
Yes, the Earth is getting warmer like it has numerous times in its history but instead of trying to stop the inevitable, how about finding ways to adapt to a hotter Climate...
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Male 273
@ almightybob1

blah blah blah.
I think the truth to your belief in man made global warming might be somewhere in your name.

takes a lot of "i`m the most important being ever for all time" to have a name like almightybob1
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Male 4,290
AJ: I wasn`t alive during the global cooling thing, but I know a fair bit about it.
Hardly anybody in the scientific community at the time actually gave any credence to it. The principles of the greenhouse effect were discovered nearly 200 years ago, and quantitatively assessed in 1896. Perhaps the press believed their own hype about global cooling, but the scientific community did not.

And you`re right, no amount of data can ever constitute "proof", because nothing can ever be completely proven. There is always the possibility that new data will falsify a theory.
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Male 678
Too bad none of the "evidence" is accurate enough to conclude anything. Global warming is fake.
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Male 273
hopefully I just ruined some kids term paper who sources Wikipedia
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Male 273
@ Gorgak
you were right, look at this taken from your link

The first inhabitants of Tuvalu were Polynesian people. This island has completely disappeared due to Global Warming. The islands came under the UK`s sphere of influence in the late 19th century.
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Male 792
I don`t disbelieve in global warming. What I find dumb is thinking that we humans have any effect on it.
Ya see, there`s this big ball o` blazing helium and hydrogen a few hundred million miles away that has a tendency to heat us up or cool us down, depending on it`s storm cycles.
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Male 46
egardless of whether or not the "globe" is "warming," I don`t know. (there isn`t enough good, raw evidence to prove one way or another. we really haven`t even been taking detailed records of the weather/climate long enough to even suggest either way.) But to think that`s all man`s fault is ridiculous. you know what else has gotten warmer over the years that we`ve been recording temperature there? Mars. I`m sure that`s our fault too.
Bottom line is, we`re a rocky globe spinning around a star (one that often shoots solar flares, etc) in a solar system that is constantly moving closer to and then further away from the center of a gigantic, swirling, spinning galaxy. To think that in that situation the earth or any other planet is going to maintain a constant temperature is ridiculous, whether I`m driving an SUV or not.
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Male 7,808
flingspoo, true, we should do things because they are good, not because we are afraid of the consequences of if we dont do them.
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Male 286
Drips, yeah man, when was the last time we had a proper summer? screw the mutant frogs, I`m COLD!!!
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Female 999
@gorgack:
"Tuvalu is affected by what is known as a king tide, which can raise the sea level higher than a normal high tide. In the future, this may threaten to submerge the nation entirely. Tuvalu has very poor land and the soil is hardly usable for agriculture."

Poor soil and an insanely drastic tide? How is that global warming if it erodes away?
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Male 273
wikipedia=unreliable
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Female 999
@ cobrakiller & Nzoe: I totally agree.

I do, however, use my fabric bags at the store and I recycle and whatnot. NOT because I`m afraid of global warming, but because it`s just good stewardship. We gotta take care of what we have.
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Male 4,680
"None, zero... Islands disappearing from the ice caps melting? Where? Which ones? Can I Google map this? "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu

There you are! One island which will eventually disappear under the sea thanks to climate change.

"When the GW advocates start producing verifiable data, the GW deniers will start believing. It`s that f*cking simple. "
Like how the glaciers are melting at a far more rapid pace than they were 100 years ago? They`ve compared test results from 100 years ago with results taken in the present and found that.

"How is this not like a theist protecting his religion? Dress anything up in "green" talk and it`s just another religion for elitist white trash."
Actually it`s the deniers doing that. Science points out that climate change is affecting the planets and the deniers refuse to believe it. It`s to
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Male 4,807
auburnjunky..."Is anyone here old enough to recall the global cooling scare in the late 70`s early 80`s?"

Yea, I remember that all to vividly. They were literally telling us kids that the new ice age was just around the corner.
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Male 10,338
@almightybob:

It seems like any amount of data that anyone has isn`t enough to prove anything either way.

Did that even make sense?
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Male 10,338
Is anyone here old enough to recall the global cooling scare in the late 70`s early 80`s?

They claimed that the amount of CO2 we were putting into the air would block sunlight and cause another ice age.

Surmise your own opinion.
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Male 4,290
[quote]how can you claim to believe in science while at the same time completely ignoring a little thing called solar flares[/quote]

Solar activity increases and decreases on a roughly 11-year cycle. The global temperature anomaly has been on the increase longer than that, and does not hold to a cyclic pattern as you would expect if it was caused by solar activity.

While undoubtedly increased solar activity does affect the temperature on the earth, it is not a main factor in the climate change model.
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Male 31
HA! I just thought the pic was funny.
but no i dont believe in global warming
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Male 4,807
Woah Madest... Reader of the month of April went to your head a bit, Eh?
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Male 273
@ madest

how can you claim to believe in science while at the same time completely ignoring a little thing called solar flares
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Male 122
The global warming debate reminds me of listening to a military intelligence briefing or the local weather forecast. The experts take all the data and try to determine the correlation between the cause and effect. Until this is proven beyond a doubt, as with any prediction, it`s just an educated "best guess."
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Male 10,338
@madest:

Asking someone to leave the country over an opinion is slightly elitist isn`t it?

C`mon dude. Don`t be like that.