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Date: 05/12/10 05:05 PM

249 Responses to The 8 Year Transformation From Guy To Girl [Pics]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Link: The 8 Year Transformation From Guy To Girl - Wow, he (she? Whatever, we`re not trying to offend) makes for one good-looking chick. Sorta like Kate Winslet, no?
  2. Profile photo of Kivaen
    Kivaen Male 18-29
    90 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    Let the hate-fest begin.
  3. Profile photo of nomesabes
    nomesabes Male 18-29
    8 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Dude, did he just turn into Hillary Swank?
  4. Profile photo of Raisin_Hell
    Raisin_Hell Male 18-29
    277 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Still has a really manly chin.
  5. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    Huh...interesting.

    I`ve heard some people say that the people who do this feel like a (gender) trapped in a (gender)`s body. It doesn`t bother me that they want the transformation, I just wish I could better understand it so I could empathize with their frustration.
  6. Profile photo of xhaseox
    xhaseox Male 18-29
    519 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    um wow not quite sure what to say to this
  7. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
    4809 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Like no one he knows didn`t see that one coming.

    looks kinda like Hilliary Swank
  8. Profile photo of Mitchster
    Mitchster Male 18-29
    544 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    Is there a, uh, story behind this? I am most definitely vonfused.

    And I`m questioning a lot of different things now....
  9. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Wonder if he kept the penis.
  10. Profile photo of ProXLaw
    ProXLaw Male 30-39
    122 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Boys Don`t Cry.
  11. Profile photo of Igmo
    Igmo Male 18-29
    1263 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    Aww, that`s great for her :]
    Glad her transition went well.
  12. Profile photo of t1tcFISH
    t1tcFISH Male 18-29
    9 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    ya kate winslet with a adams apple and the pronounced jaw of a greek god.
  13. Profile photo of Wtfidklol
    Wtfidklol Male 13-17
    193 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Uh, no. She looks nothing like Kate Winslet.

    More like a prettier Hillary Swank.
  14. Profile photo of TabooPoison
    TabooPoison Female 18-29
    1062 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Wow, quite the transformation! Looking at her on the street I`d never know she was born a man. Very impressive.
  15. Profile photo of Evil_Eye
    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
    1442 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    Have a holiday fancylad, try thailand if you like your girls with a jaw like that.

    So... is this transgender or transvestite? I don`t think HRT qualifies as transgender...
  16. Profile photo of jfreakingr
    jfreakingr Male 18-29
    8 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    wow. that is kind of amazing...
  17. Profile photo of kinjomusashi
    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
    916 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    hey, i just hope she`s happy with her life...but kate winslet?...looks more like hilary swank...
  18. Profile photo of triacnid
    triacnid Male 70 & Over
    82 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    Wow, quite impressive.
  19. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    Wow Fancy, you`re looking better every day ;-)
  20. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7475 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    weird, at the end he actually does look like a female. not necessarily a pretty one, but a female none the less.
  21. Profile photo of Hiromi
    Hiromi Female 18-29
    1149 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    She`s actually kinda pretty...
  22. Profile photo of Indeed
    Indeed Male 13-17
    18 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    Well that`s just plain disturbing.
  23. Profile photo of OmgZelda
    OmgZelda Female 18-29
    1593 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Uh, no. She looks nothing like Kate Winslet.

    More like a prettier Hillary Swank.

    ---

    My thoughts EXACTLY.
  24. Profile photo of BANKAI
    BANKAI Male 18-29
    80 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    crazy.. haha
  25. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    Hillary Swank? No way, look again--that`s Winslet.
  26. Profile photo of ScottSerious
    ScottSerious Male 18-29
    5316 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    HE looks like Swank
  27. Profile photo of PoonHat
    PoonHat Male 18-29
    194 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    I know someone who`s going through this. Except from female to male, i believe. They looked good as a woman, but they`d also make a good man.
    Nowadays, it`s about personal choice, i suppose.
    More power to those who go through with such things, i personally don`t have the desire nor will to go through such things.
  28. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    Willem Dafoe
  29. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7475 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    fancy, shes definetly swank-like. IMDB both and take a hard look.

    madest, your right i see some dafoe in there too. boondock saints, not spider-man.
  30. Profile photo of nerdinator
    nerdinator Female 18-29
    21 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    Attractive as both sexes! Good for her!
  31. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    So, I guess nature isn`t good enough for this person.
  32. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    OK, there`s way more Defoe in there than Swank, but I stand by my Winslet. Look at the very last photo--think a thin Winslet from her most recent movies.
  33. Profile photo of jendrian
    jendrian Male 18-29
    2516 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    She still looks like a guy...
  34. Profile photo of cagel
    cagel Female 18-29
    275 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    Aw that`s so nice to see somebody blossom as they become themselves.
  35. Profile photo of mrtatulas
    mrtatulas Male 18-29
    271 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    Wow, that turned out surprisingly well for her... it doesn`t always turn out that great.
  36. Profile photo of regalia13
    regalia13 Female 18-29
    212 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    If that`s what she wanted, good for her. I`m glad it went well and she looks good.
  37. Profile photo of slab-of-rage
    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
    769 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Sorry, Fancylad - really can`t see Winslet. She is, however, very attractive and looks like Jemma. Y`know, Jemma I used to work with at the Greyhound, before she moved to Nottingham?
  38. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Fancy, you REALLY need to work on your face recognition skills, before you end up in this situation:



    As for the actual person...

    I`ve always been able to pick out people like this, going both ways. Just a natural sense I guess... In this case, it`s definitely the jaw that sets off the alarm, though. I`d be able to detect him/her.

    Good for her for choosing to be more comfortable in her own skin, though.
  39. Profile photo of Jabbox
    Jabbox Male 18-29
    250 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    I think I`m the only one of my friends that finds these heartwarming...
    Think she`ll go for an op?
  40. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    OK, here`s a photo - and remember, I`m a huge Kate Winslet fan.

  41. Profile photo of bizzarmind
    bizzarmind Male 18-29
    390 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    I`m glad to see things like this. I totally support her decision....
    plus, that`s just one more woman for us guys
  42. Profile photo of bizzarmind
    bizzarmind Male 18-29
    390 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    and yes fancylad, I can see the kate winslet resemblance
  43. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    I can`t see anything but Willem Dafoe in a tub... You`ve ruined Kate Winslet.. Why Fancy why?
  44. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    Okay, I see where you`re coming from to some extent, Fancy, but I`m still with the others...

    BTW, I wonder how her friends took the news... Especially past girlfriends, since she didn`t look like the kind of guy that stayed single...
  45. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    She does look a lot like Winslet! And good for her :)
  46. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    I see it, Fancylad. Nose is way different, but I see what you`re getting at. And good for her! :-)
  47. Profile photo of KannaLilly
    KannaLilly Female 13-17
    635 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    She`s lovely!
    Good for her - I know some people never go through with the change.
  48. Profile photo of Kanashto
    Kanashto Male 18-29
    499 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    HRT = Hormone replacement therapy
  49. Profile photo of MrsHoneyDew
    MrsHoneyDew Female 18-29
    388 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    She looks great, and happier too. You can see the difference in her smile after the transformation.
  50. Profile photo of DHise
    DHise Male 13-17
    868 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:31 pm
    Gross.
  51. Profile photo of Dad4Life
    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2086 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    There is nothing hot about a chick with an Adam`s apple.
  52. Profile photo of obbycomma
    obbycomma Female 18-29
    315 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    The neck still looks really masculine to me. And there`s nothing she can really do about her bone structure. As a photographer, if I didn`t know any better I wouldn`t be able to say she used to be a guy, but at the least I would notice the masculine build and facial structure. Still, a crazy transformation in only eight years.
  53. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    `shopped
  54. Profile photo of rawrarrg
    rawrarrg Female 18-29
    120 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    She`s pretty! :D
  55. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm
  56. Profile photo of twifanny
    twifanny Female 30-39
    26 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    This person is happy. Who are we to say it is wrong? Yep it is different! So are the people who think they have Jedi powers. Everyone deserves the right to be who they are.
  57. Profile photo of lifestarted
    lifestarted Female 18-29
    8 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    She looks great and yeah she may still have a bit of a masculine look but so do I am I was born and still am female. Congrads.
  58. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    He was pretty hot as a guy too. He`s just naturally hot.
  59. Profile photo of angelo0317
    angelo0317 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm
    He looks like Hilary Swank.
    I think Hilary Swank is hot, and I`d hit it.
  60. Profile photo of Ranakamarth
    Ranakamarth Male 18-29
    294 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    Woah, mind blown! I would`ve never guessed that was the same person at the bottom.
  61. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Egads
  62. Profile photo of howlingwolf
    howlingwolf Male 18-29
    1351 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    ...this doesn`t seem gross. She (I`m sticking with that pronoun) looks really happy in the later pics, so I`m glad for her. However, the transition from 2003 to 2005 is pretty extreme to me, amusingly it is more so than the change within 2008 when she started taking HRT. Maybe it`s just the different stretches of time.
  63. Profile photo of bonjouralexi
    bonjouralexi Female 13-17
    16 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    @SCfan
    you know girls have adams apples too, right?
    some are just more visible than others.

    amazing transformation, if i hadn`t seen the older pictures i don`t think i would be able to tell.
  64. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    special!
  65. Profile photo of RotBottom
    RotBottom Male 18-29
    100 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    Yah via facebook I learned that a dumbass old buddy of mine "Nick Williams" is now "Julianna Williams".
  66. Profile photo of Kivaen
    Kivaen Male 18-29
    90 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:16 pm
    yay theres not very many "what a freak!" comments ! good job IAB ! I personally am happy for this individual :)
  67. Profile photo of whipplefunk
    whipplefunk Male 30-39
    1071 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    Is that Hilary Swank?
  68. Profile photo of entwife
    entwife Female 18-29
    536 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm
    amazing how much of a difference hormones make, isn`t it? I hope she`s happy now :-) More power to her.
  69. Profile photo of Kivaen
    Kivaen Male 18-29
    90 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm
    Also to all you people out there saying her neck is to masculine,and her facial features,they can fix it with plastic surgery,I watched a tv show about it,they can make the adams apple less pronounced. but i agree,the neck is a little bit thick:p but ive seen real women who look 100x more manly. lol:D
  70. Profile photo of whipsmart
    whipsmart Female 18-29
    665 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    June 2009 is sexy.
  71. Profile photo of dragosal
    dragosal Male 18-29
    1630 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    i must be blind other then the boobs and the hair this thing looks almost exactly the same
  72. Profile photo of bigjames02
    bigjames02 Male 18-29
    121 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    @whipplefunk: My thoughts exactly.
  73. Profile photo of alley228
    alley228 Female 18-29
    238 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    Oh wow... why? He wasn`t half bad. So this is where all the good men go. lol
  74. Profile photo of nikki8696
    nikki8696 Female 18-29
    101 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    He made a nice looking girl
  75. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7475 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    fancy, ive never seen thin winslet, there is a resemblance there. between winslet and dafoe that is.
  76. Profile photo of CoffeeDiiva
    CoffeeDiiva Female 40-49
    1604 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    must say she looks very good your average woman.
  77. Profile photo of m0527j3
    m0527j3 Female 18-29
    243 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    Is this real?
    Because if so, that`s really interesting.
  78. Profile photo of ILikeApples
    ILikeApples Male 18-29
    503 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    i dont know what to type here
  79. Profile photo of Hannibalx14
    Hannibalx14 Female 13-17
    10 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    Really, Kate Winslet? I was thinking she looks more like Hilary Swank.
  80. Profile photo of D3rAnG3d
    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
    1598 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    Um... he didn`t transform from a guy into a girl. He went from a normal guy to a weirdo with boobs >.>
  81. Profile photo of RG900
    RG900 Male 18-29
    250 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    that is fudgeed up it creeped me out :(
  82. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    Hmm, neat.
  83. Profile photo of HayleeHavok
    HayleeHavok Female 18-29
    91 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    I applaud her courage.
  84. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    > he (she? Whatever, we`re not trying to offend)

    I think its best in these situations to abbreviate

    S he
    H e
    IT

    and just call it what fits best.
  85. Profile photo of sleepyjoey
    sleepyjoey Male 18-29
    122 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm
    @ Hannibalx14 yea I`d agree with hillary swank
  86. Profile photo of deltaumarcus
    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
    1958 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    I`m pretty sure that person went to ASU and spoke at one of my classes.
  87. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    Huh... she`s pretty.
  88. Profile photo of tstyblucryns
    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
    496 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    awkward girlie man turn awkward manly girl
  89. Profile photo of JaundiceCake
    JaundiceCake Female 18-29
    674 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    Better legs than me. *sigh, sits on the defeated-by-mangirl and/or-science-and-medicine couch*
  90. Profile photo of frajola
    frajola Female 18-29
    99 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    She`s pretty!
  91. Profile photo of robosnitz
    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    no.
  92. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7475 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    i love how all the girls are talking about how pretty she is, while most of the guys are getting uncomfortable. i really dont care what people do as long as they dont hurt anyone, also as long as you are upfront about this sort of thing and not try to keep it hidden from guys or girls she might try to date in the future. im an open minded person, but i just dont think i would be comfortable with being with a woman who used to be a man. especially if they are not upfront with it right away and bring it up some time down the road, that could create discomfort and anger.
  93. Profile photo of mmgeo
    mmgeo Female 18-29
    11 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    Aw man, I wish I was that skinny
  94. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    He/she`s got that Hillary Swank/Jennifer Garner man-face thing goin` on. It`s not that attractive on a real girl. I`ll pass...
  95. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
    1427 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    Granted, she`s not the hottest transwoman I`ve seen, but she`s a LOT better looking than many I have.
  96. Profile photo of Plague555
    Plague555 Male 18-29
    553 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    i can still it`s a man.
  97. Profile photo of deathxtra
    deathxtra Male 13-17
    2791 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    I..
    what..
    no.
  98. Profile photo of ohplease
    ohplease Male 50-59
    567 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    march 2008 dude, September 2008 chick, June 2009, semi-hot +/- chick, more power to her, be what you got to be.
  99. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    She`s wicked pretty! I mean don`t get me wrong the before was nice looking but at least she`s happier now and actually can decently pass for female. Not trying to be rude to other trans people out there but sometimes no matter how hard you try to be the opposite sex you can just always kind of tell something isn`t "right". She actually passes well.
  100. Profile photo of Exsilium
    Exsilium Male 18-29
    134 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    *sigh*
  101. Profile photo of JHSpring26
    JHSpring26 Male 18-29
    492 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    I wonder if he became a woman to sleep with women...
  102. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    It`s rude to refer to a living being as "it" as the title is seen as degrading because it itemizes the subject. When itemized, a subject loses a lot of respect.
  103. Profile photo of mogman45
    mogman45 Male 18-29
    224 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm
    it looks too manly at the end with the parachute. shoulda stayed dude
  104. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 10:59 pm
    As long as s/he`s happy, I don`t give a poo.
  105. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    I thought she looked better as a guy, kinda hot!

    But congrats to her for a great transformation.

    As for he/she/it... you use the word which is how THEY identify. If she now sees herself as a female, you refer to her as "her" otherwise it`s just rude.
  106. Profile photo of Kaagan
    Kaagan Male 18-29
    1601 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:30 pm
    AHHHHHHHHH
    it could be anyone!
  107. Profile photo of rakoonhat
    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:30 pm
    its disrespectful to talk for people in which you are not involved with
    no matter what it would still be a he, i can call you every girl name you want to be called, and watch you try on dresses...but your still medically a guy
  108. Profile photo of rakoonhat
    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    lol @lion..i read that like 5 times
  109. Profile photo of Levyn
    Levyn Male 18-29
    210 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    She.
    There`s no room for question there.
  110. Profile photo of domisgood
    domisgood Male 18-29
    4868 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    its a lady man mix up!!!!1
  111. Profile photo of DeathToLems
    DeathToLems Female 18-29
    1435 posts
    May 12, 2010 at 11:54 pm
    look a cross between Hilary Swank and Taylor Kitsch.
  112. Profile photo of NDLOgan
    NDLOgan Male 30-39
    218 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:02 am
    rakoonhat:

    no matter what it would still be a he, i can call you every girl name you want to be called, and watch you try on dresses...but your still medically a guy
    ------

    Obviously SHE sees herself as a girl, so the pronoun would be SHE, not IT. She might not "medically" be a guy anymore, btw.
  113. Profile photo of tohkii7188
    tohkii7188 Female 18-29
    2 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:03 am
    Is it just me or does he look like he`s one of the Hanson brothers?
  114. Profile photo of QuickBanana
    QuickBanana Male 18-29
    21 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:09 am
    This reminds me of one of these...


  115. Profile photo of laxdef36
    laxdef36 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:12 am
    Still got the Adams apple. owned.
  116. Profile photo of rakoonhat
    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:15 am
    he will get over it....removing a sex organ does not change your gender
    i never called anyone an it
    and no one is fighting what he what he sees himself as, i dont care what anyone considers themself...you wanna be a flying spaghetti monster, awesome go for it. regardless you being thirtyish doesnt make you right with or w/o being in a medical field,your opinions do not trump mine nor do mine trump yours. its a he..that my opinion it will not be changed.
  117. Profile photo of rakoonhat
    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:19 am
    i dont feel as if i made this point either.
    im not trying to put bi/lesbian/or gay down. im okay with it...i have numerous friends who have choosen that lifestyle, and even family who have done so. thier lifestyle is not the discussion here. it has become something that was taken the wrong way and made into an argument for arguings sake.
  118. Profile photo of KRAYZEEGIRL
    KRAYZEEGIRL Female 30-39
    447 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:42 am
    idk still looks like a guy in the face and hairline. So he is not gay, just feels like a woman born in a mans body? I have an awesome friend steven who was born a girl and had a sex change to become a gay man. So to me this guy or now girl is pretty normal.
  119. Profile photo of neosophist
    neosophist Male 18-29
    138 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:01 am
    sandra bullock has an adams apple laxdef. and to all of you that made the "im not against them, i have several friends that are...." thats a horrible arguement. thats like me saying i dont hate the evil animals known as cats because my mother owned a cat. its like saying "just because i called him a racial slur, lit his house on fire, and beat him up because he`s a different color than me, doesnt make me a racist. ive got friends of such and such race" find a stronger arguement. (i wont be checking this ever again, so please lay on the comebacks and the rants on how wrong i am. its not that im afraid to check it, ive just got better things to do with my time)
  120. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:08 am
    > rakoonhat
    > it has become something that was taken the wrong way and made into an argument for arguings sake

    Relax; don`t let it worry you. Every time you open your mouth (move your typing fingers?) on the internet, and particularly on IAB, that will happen. Don`t let it put you off joining in.

    Relax. Smile. Pump 12 rounds into the dartboard with Davymid`s face sticky-taped to it. I know it helps me.
  121. Profile photo of hairyshyt
    hairyshyt Male 30-39
    217 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:09 am
    Its got a mAdams apple.
  122. Profile photo of goldspot7
    goldspot7 Male 13-17
    174 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:18 am
    wheres 2004?
  123. Profile photo of CandyClown
    CandyClown Female 18-29
    305 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:43 am
    Aw she`s cute as both genders :3
  124. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:59 am
    good for, um, her
  125. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:14 am
    @rakoonhat,

    "i have numerous friends who have choosen that lifestyle"

    Obviously you don`t, as they would have explained to you that it`s not a choice.
  126. Profile photo of beternal
    beternal Male 18-29
    2589 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:15 am
    I would have said the Dec 2008 pic looks more like Nathalie Portman...

    lol, girl FAIL... men do women better than women!

    (jk) :-)
  127. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:18 am
    Prettiest in June 2009.
  128. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:23 am
    @rakoonhat

    And what the hell does it matter what gender she is medically, unless you`re her doctor?

    He/she are pronouns, remember? And what is a pronoun, class? That`s right! It`s a short form substitute for a noun. And in the case of he and she, a proper noun. And what proper nouns are applied to people? That`s right class, their name! And by gosh, people can choose their name, can`t they class? They don`t have to have a doctor certify their name, do they class? Noooo, that`s right children, they don`t. And people can change their name, can`t they children? So what have we learned today, children? That people can change their name, which is the noun that identifies them, and the pronoun you use to identify them is a substitute for that name, and that identity, so it should change too? Very good children!

    You all get gold stars.
  129. Profile photo of idolmonkey
    idolmonkey Female 18-29
    330 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:29 am
    The only thing that really bothers me is the hair behind the ears hairstyle... that`s a no-no for me.
  130. Profile photo of taelmx
    taelmx Female 18-29
    247 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:37 am
    Wow pretty cool!
  131. Profile photo of coolbananas
    coolbananas Female 18-29
    859 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:57 am
    It`s Hilary Swank!
  132. Profile photo of DaDooode
    DaDooode Male 18-29
    141 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:59 am
    >idolmonkey
    >The only thing that really bothers me is the hair behind the ears hairstyle... that`s a no-no for me.

    So it doesn`t bother you that it has a penis
  133. Profile photo of xxPinkxx
    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3829 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:59 am
    cute as both genders, indeed.
  134. Profile photo of dognesss_666
    dognesss_666 Male 18-29
    103 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 3:27 am
    woah very trippy
  135. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 3:35 am
    Good for her.
  136. Profile photo of Peteruk
    Peteruk Male 18-29
    28 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 3:52 am
    As House said “the idea woman is a man”.

    Life is so embarrassing, confusing and hard with this going on...it just could be the next guy or girl you meet.
  137. Profile photo of ManicWolf
    ManicWolf Female 18-29
    62 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 3:55 am
    Wow, that is pretty awesome, moreso considering s/he had such a ripped body in the first pictures. Passing her on the street you`d never suspect she was born a male. She is cute too.
  138. Profile photo of Pabasa
    Pabasa Male 18-29
    4012 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:07 am
    Not sure if I`d hit it.

    I`d time-machine to 2002 and hit it. Hard. Man what a waste of a hot man. And as a transgender she can`t breed, thus a waste of great genes too. Unless she`s got her sperm stored somewhere...
  139. Profile photo of Pabasa
    Pabasa Male 18-29
    4012 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:11 am
    Wait, she had boobs 2008 but ended up flat chested in 2009? Push ups?
  140. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:44 am
    "And as a transgender she can`t breed, thus a waste of great genes too"

    Not everyone wants to make babies.
  141. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:50 am
    Wow, the change just from March 2008 to September 2008 is huge. Not so much an 8-year journey as 8-month.
  142. Profile photo of GuardinGnome
    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:05 am
    looks like a woman`s rights activist.
    (that is to say she/he/it is ugly)
  143. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:22 am
    @GuardinGnome, I hate to get all PC police, but using the word "it" in any context is way wrong. Like I might have to lock you in a basement with hundreds of toxic-effluent crazed Gila monsters kinda wrong. (Thanks for that one, Spider.) she`s transitioned to female, the decent thing to do is refer to her that way.
  144. Profile photo of Tinkerbellio
    Tinkerbellio Female 18-29
    1001 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:41 am
    It`s Hilary Swank!

    That`s exactly what I thought!
  145. Profile photo of butji
    butji Male 18-29
    103 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:42 am
    MANAPPLE! thats the only thing i see
  146. Profile photo of Dr_Sexy
    Dr_Sexy Male 30-39
    1597 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:07 am
    definitely looks happier as a woman, do what makes you feel happy!
  147. Profile photo of sprinkies
    sprinkies Female 18-29
    172 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:13 am
    he was cute as a man... ad pretty as a girl.. the middle stages were just.. eeessshh!!!!!
  148. Profile photo of joanielspeak
    joanielspeak Female 18-29
    122 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:29 am
    It really is amazing how much happier she looks once a woman.
  149. Profile photo of Pabasa
    Pabasa Male 18-29
    4012 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:53 am
    Musuko42, not saying everyone must breed, but sometimes, some people have really great genes (mostly appearance wise), so I think it`s a pity that those genes aren`t given to someone else to maintain eye candy down along the generations.

    It`s just my quirky way of seeing beauty in someone. It includes straight people too. Like how such a waste it is that Jonathan Rhys Meyers is still not a father. He should be making babies by the dozen.
  150. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:55 am
    It`s so much easier to be happy afterwards! :D Being a girl forced to pretend to be a guy sucked soooo much.

    Musuko42, YOU get a gold star. :D
    DaDoooooooode, die in a fire.

    Yes, I`m TS. No, the girl in the pictures isn`t me. I await IAB`s scorn and derision.
  151. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:04 am
    "The only thing that really bothers me is the hair behind the ears hairstyle... that`s a no-no for me."
    I put my hair behind my ears all the time. It`s really long and keeps it out of the way, and it`s quicker than trying to fix all that hair when I`ve got to rush out to get to class, for example :P
  152. Profile photo of slimnotslim
    slimnotslim Male 18-29
    7 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:11 am
    She looks so much happier. I have a friend Carrie who is transgendered. As Barrie (yeah seriously) she was never very happy and had a terrible time. Now she`s in a great relationship and happier than I`ve ever seen her.

    Hope the same is true for this girl.
  153. Profile photo of trailleadr
    trailleadr Male 40-49
    715 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:24 am
    Definitely looks happier. But still a guy. Just because you pluck the stem off an apple and glue some fuzz on it doesn`t make it a peach. Genetically he`s always going to be a male.

    But if lopping his stem off(assuming he`s gone this far), and adding some silicone makes him happy. Then good for him. :)
  154. Profile photo of HOBOMOE
    HOBOMOE Male 18-29
    515 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:29 am
    if anyone gets a chance see the movie
    TransAmerica it`s pretty good, it might shed some light on this topic for people who don`t know much about sex change
  155. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:34 am
    @trailleadr Those library computers have a time limit, you know. Maybe you should let the next bigoted old fart have a go now.
  156. Profile photo of starcrosst
    starcrosst Male 30-39
    54 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Good lord, people.
    1. No, not `gentically` a female, but that`s not the point anyway. They`re just trying to get their body to more closely match their mind.
    2. Can`t `breed`, not a woman: so my ex-gf can`t have children, and she was born female, does that make her a dude?
    3. "IT". just stop. Nobody is an `it`.
    4. and this is the big one...WHY DOES IT MATTER TO YOU SO DAMN MUCH? If person A is a female, and person B is a male, and they`re both good people, everythings fine. But as soon as person A wishes to be male, and person B wishes to be female, suddenly they`re bad people? Get over it, already.

    The above points are not aimed at those who seem to `get it` already.

    Oh, one more thing, what`s wrong with hair behind the ears hairstyle? simple and it`s out of the way.
  157. Profile photo of slab-of-rage
    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
    769 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:58 am
    @Ivy Maccay... you quoted Mr. Jerusalem... I think I love you.
  158. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:01 am
    @slab-of-rage :D All I want for my birthday this year is a bowel disruptor.
  159. Profile photo of xXKaryXx
    xXKaryXx Female 13-17
    635 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:03 am
    awsome

    o: <333
  160. Profile photo of s1lverw0lf
    s1lverw0lf Male 30-39
    25 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:05 am
    I hope she`s happier and in a better place mentally now.
    When I was 5 my mother went through the process to become a male. Prior to this, she was really messed up emotionally. Afterwards, HE was one of the most stable and grounded people I`ve ever known. AND he was the BEST dad and friend I could have wished for. Sadly, he passed away about 2 mo. ago. I will always be glad that having him as my dad opened my mind to appreciate people for who they ARE, not just how they LOOK.
  161. Profile photo of bmh
    bmh Female 18-29
    248 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:24 am
    She`s hot. I`d do her.
  162. Profile photo of Blacknewyear
    Blacknewyear Male 18-29
    23 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:26 am
    Hillary swank?
  163. Profile photo of Byfield
    Byfield Male 18-29
    464 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:26 am
    That worries me, the final product is attractive, even tho i know their male.

    Also, why sacrifice abs like thosE?!?!
  164. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
    848 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:30 am
    Why is this worrying, Byfield?
    If you`re worried about being gay (which is a stupid thing to be worried about) you shouldn`t be. She`s female.
  165. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:35 am
    tainteddeity`s comment gets the bowel disruptor turned down to `watery,` back from where I had it at `burning anal geyser.` Thanks, tainteddeity.

    Okay really, I need one.
  166. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
    848 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:44 am
    It`s at this point I wish I knew more about Transmetropolitan so I could make an amusing response.
  167. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:03 am
    You don`t have to! Just continue prodding the bigotry with a stick :D
  168. Profile photo of fknloser
    fknloser Male 30-39
    418 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:25 am
    disgusting. mentally ill disgusting acts that people do to themselves
  169. Profile photo of panth753
    panth753 Female 18-29
    9258 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:33 am
    Good for her.
  170. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:45 am
    @fknloser You are well named. Kudos on being self aware.
  171. Profile photo of DGbME
    DGbME Male 40-49
    451 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:46 am
    Good looking??? NOT
  172. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:05 am
    @fknloser

    I posted some comments to you. Could you reply to them?
  173. Profile photo of Call
    Call Male 13-17
    76 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Good for her! whatever makes her feel happy is what i say
  174. Profile photo of anamalech
    anamalech Male 13-17
    3 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:36 am
    I know I don`t comment a lot, and maybe I will from now on so that I don`t get abused for have a low post count, but I think its disgusting that anyone has a problem with this. Forget the fact he was a good looking guy, and makes a good looking girl, but its what she wanted, and it doesn`t effect any of you in any way, so why have a problem with it?
  175. Profile photo of Lellin
    Lellin Female 13-17
    54 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:41 am
    This post makes me happy. I`m so glad we live in a world where people have such freedom. :)
  176. Profile photo of Exsilium
    Exsilium Male 18-29
    134 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:56 am
    I`m sorry, but one word, and one word only...


    "disturbing."
  177. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:57 am
    "Repressed."
  178. Profile photo of slab-of-rage
    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
    769 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:08 am
    @Ivy_Maccay *swoon* and for Christmas I`ll get you a FrostBiter 7K x
  179. Profile photo of krazylexy
    krazylexy Female 18-29
    19 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:09 am
    Makes me wonder what happened in 2004 to make him decide a lifestyle change.
  180. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:11 am
    @slab-of-rage Best. Present. Ever. Heh heh heh, heeeeere filthy bigots.....
  181. Profile photo of 710281
    710281 Female 13-17
    22 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:17 am
    O.o
  182. Profile photo of psychrow
    psychrow Male 40-49
    19 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Totally looks like Hillary Swank! Wow! I`d do her. I mean that in the most gentlemanly, polite way, of course.
  183. Profile photo of slab-of-rage
    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
    769 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:28 am
    @Ivy_Maccay - Waiter! Fresh underwear, seven blankets and a bucket of moist towelettes! Hey, let me know when you decide to get on twitter, I like your moxie, kid! (aka @iamhewhoisiam)
  184. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:33 am
    @slab-of-rage Awwwww. @intrinsicdesign, though I never ever use it. I`m usually much more of the lurker type, don`t know why I`m all afire to babysit this thread today. It`s fun, though.
  185. Profile photo of Elriuhilu
    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
    275 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:48 am
    I know that I`m probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but as far as I`m concerned you cannot change your gender. If you`re born a man, you are a man no matter how much you mutilate your body.
  186. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:51 am
    @Elriuhilu See, in real countries, we call it "surgery." Also, you`re right. You can`t change your gender, which is mental. It`s your physical sex that can be reassigned.

    Swing and a miss.
  187. Profile photo of msieg007
    msieg007 Male 18-29
    2035 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:55 am
    "You can`t change your gender, which is mental. It`s your physical sex that can be reassigned.

    Swing and a miss."

    Yep, swing and a miss. You CAN change your mental gender. Physically, the whole chromosome thing gets in the way. Cut your gens up as much as you want, you`re still a dude.
  188. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    @msieg007 You`re right, of course. I`ll never be a "genetic girl." I`ll even concede it`s possible for someone to go from knowing they are female mentally to knowing they are male mentally, and vice versa. Going to have to maintain my position on the not being a dude aspect of things, though. I know from experience I`m not going to change the mind of someone like you, who has made up their mind otherwise, so I`m not trying anymore. I`m settling for mocking your close-mindedness today.
  189. Profile photo of Bigbadwolf
    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
    335 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Well done on her behalf!
  190. Profile photo of campofclay
    campofclay Male 30-39
    177 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    Shennanigans! He didn`t just take a pill and transform, did he? Hell, you could go back and forth!
  191. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    @campofclay Yes, that`s exactly what SHE did, though it was many pills, over a long period of time. The long term effects of hormone replacement therapy are irreversible, however, though they can be somewhat undone with surgery. If you`re looking for easy to change body mods, I`d suggest piercings as a much cheaper and less life threatening alternative. :P Of course, then you`re at risk for a "daddy didn`t love me" post. What number are we up to again?
  192. Profile photo of _kiersten_
    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1682 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Wow, she/he actually does end up looking pretty well..."girl" like in features. I actually know someone who is doing this currently, you have to go through so much o.o
  193. Profile photo of BRITATTACK
    BRITATTACK Female 13-17
    198 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    she just needs to do something with those eyebrows
  194. Profile photo of heavenly15
    heavenly15 Female 13-17
    965 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    I would totally date him in 2002. But s/he`s looking really great now too. :-D
  195. Profile photo of slab-of-rage
    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
    769 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    as far as I`m concerned, she is a she. She used to be a he, but is now a she. You can argue about genes and dna all you want, it doesn`t matter! He was an attractive boy (with short hair, not so much with long) and felt that inside he was a woman, so became a woman (who DOES look attractive with long hair, odd that). Anyway, welcome to the modern world you old-fashioned yokels - there are such wondrous people in it.
  196. Profile photo of krieg_fox
    krieg_fox Male 18-29
    71 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    I believe that a person can be trapped in the wrong sex. What the mind wants is what the mind wants. The body is nothin more than a physical representation of the mind. So all the more power to HER.
  197. Profile photo of Smokeylove11
    Smokeylove11 Female 13-17
    290 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    ...Why would handsome gents ever do that? D:
  198. Profile photo of titmeisterx
    titmeisterx Male 18-29
    41 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    I`d tap that either way I have a close friend who went the opposite way and he looks great now. you`d never know
  199. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    "I believe that a person can be trapped in the wrong sex. What the mind wants is what the mind wants. The body is nothin more than a physical representation of the mind. So all the more power to HER."

    Science backs you up. A neurologist compared the brains of m to f transgendered people to the brains of men and women, and their brains resembled the brains of women more (looking at specific key structures that have previously been identified as linked to gender- don`t ask me what they are). Basically, this and other studies suggest that gender is hard-wired into the brain as much as it is hard-wired into the body- and sometimes brain and body don`t match.
  200. Profile photo of howlingwolf
    howlingwolf Male 18-29
    1351 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    @titmeisterx,
    Congrats for your friend, but TMI on the first part, man, TMI.
  201. Profile photo of duffytoler
    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    Actually kinda cute.
  202. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Shennanigans! He didn`t just take a pill and transform, did he? Hell, you could go back and forth!

    Could be just pills, but there was probably some surgery involved to change their genitals. The rest can be just pills, though. Men and women are nowhere near as different as it`s popular to think and the right hormone mix can go a very long way towards changing a person`s sex.

    Going back and forth would be useful, but you`re looking at far too much time and bother and you can`t keep doing the surgery. Besides, most places will only do a sex change after lengthy medical evaluation. If I recall correctly for the UK, it takes a year before they`ll start.

    I`d like to be able to switch back and forth. It would be interesting.

    It would also be handy if everyone switched sexes every now and again. That would kill sexism pretty quickly.
  203. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    as far as I`m concerned, she is a she. She used to be a he, but is now a she. You can argue about genes and dna all you want, it doesn`t matter!

    That`s also my point of view. Genes are like plans for a body - they`re not the body itself. Usually the body follows the plans, but that doesn`t mean the plans are the body. It`s also possible to have a mismatch naturally. e.g. a female person with a Y chromosome. People aren`t even sure how rare it is, because it could pass unnoticed (hardly anyone has their DNA looked at to check their sex chromosomes).

    Say I`m a builder with plans for a 3-bed semi with two garages. At some point, I decide to change one of the garages into a pool. The plans haven`t changed. There`s still a garage on the plans. Is the pool still a garage?
  204. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Shennanigans! He didn`t just take a pill and transform, did he? Hell, you could go back and forth!

    See center photo: "March 2008, first day of HRT." HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy.
  205. Profile photo of lunaticlover
    lunaticlover Female 18-29
    354 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Aw, she`s very pretty. :)
  206. Profile photo of seabass101dg
    seabass101dg Male 18-29
    478 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    Whatever floats it`s boat...
  207. Profile photo of DrHorrible
    DrHorrible Male 18-29
    108 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 5:53 pm
    The etiquette actually would refer to her as `she` at all times. HRT is used when a person is born in the wrong body for who they are mentally and emotionally. While you can refer to a person who is pre-HRT as the biological gender, it is typically not referred to as who the person truly is. As for the back-and-forth concept, there are a myriad of side-effects and disorders that would arise from that. It`s not as easy as just popping x number of pills every day and calling it good. There are so many adverse reactions involved, I seriously doubt ANY doctor would approve of the go-back option, which is why you have to first go through (in most places) at LEAST 2 years of psychological treatment to be sure this is what`s right for you, then the HRT, THEN gender re-assignment. I have known several people who`ve gone both M-t-F and F-t-M, and it`s not a choice to take lightly, or change your mind about afterward without serious risks to your health.
  208. Profile photo of polkafromny
    polkafromny Female 18-29
    376 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    I`d do both of his/her versions. Just saying.
  209. Profile photo of Delos
    Delos Male 18-29
    205 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    @polkafromny
    ditto
  210. Profile photo of zmeace
    zmeace Male 18-29
    807 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    actually.....not bad looking, kind of cute
  211. Profile photo of MizzMe
    MizzMe Female 18-29
    509 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Can`t say I agree with this but it`s a pretty amazing transformation to see.
  212. Profile photo of Snow_Crash
    Snow_Crash Female 18-29
    211 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    Pity, she was pretty hot as a guy.
  213. Profile photo of junkaddy
    junkaddy Female 30-39
    261 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    Definitely better looking as a woman than as a man.
  214. Profile photo of MYCHEMGIRL
    MYCHEMGIRL Female 13-17
    1287 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 7:22 pm
    It`s weird knowing that in 2006, he wanted to be a woman. She`s cute. ^^
  215. Profile photo of Omphaloskept
    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    Except it`s not guy to girl -- it`s guy to guy with mutilated genitalia.
  216. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    Except it`s not guy to girl -- it`s guy to guy with mutilated genitalia.

    I`ll bite:

    How do you define a person`s sex?

    I`ll be surprised if you can come up with a definition that works. By `works`, I mean that it`s accurate and covers everyone.

    I suspect you`re using the simplest genetic definition - XY = male, XX = female.

    That doesn`t work and never really did, even before sex changes were possible. Reality is more complicated. Phenotype does not always follow genotype.
  217. Profile photo of trailleadr
    trailleadr Male 40-49
    715 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    Ivy_Maccay
    Female, 18-29, Southern US
    27 Posts Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:34:39 AM
    @trailleadr Those library computers have a time limit, you know. Maybe you should let the next bigoted old fart have a go now.

    That`s the best you could come up with for me? lol Oh, never mind, I get it now. You`re looking for more people to argue with so you can up your troll status.
  218. Profile photo of parmonie
    parmonie Female 18-29
    168 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 10:23 pm
    Sex= biological. DNA. Gender= how one feels.
    This particular post:
    Sex: Male
    Gender: Female
  219. Profile photo of xCriticalx
    xCriticalx Male 18-29
    68 posts
    May 13, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    So all that needed to be done was to take hormones? Anybody know how expensive this is... ? It can`t be cheap.. ?
  220. Profile photo of OrangeCrow
    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
    1199 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 12:03 am
    Wow. O_o;;

    In the middle of the process he starts looking like my brother lol...
  221. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 12:49 am
    @trailleader lol ok, I admit it. I was trolling today. I was running on very little sleep, and I offer no apologies. I`ve been transitioning for about 4 years myself now, and I just sort of decided I was going to be offensive today. I guess I`m tired of people trying to tell me that I`m crazy, or disgusting, or whatever. Don`t worry, after this thread, my lurker status will be turned back on, I`m sure.
  222. Profile photo of Sqam
    Sqam Female 18-29
    65 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 1:02 am
    The thing that is so weird about this is that he`s dressing/being manly and then BAM! He changed his gender at 2008. You really don`t see it coming y`know?
  223. Profile photo of Omphaloskept
    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 4:35 am
    @Angilion

    This isn`t a case of ambiguous genitalia: look at the photos. Without taking hormones and the surgeon`s knife, this guy was just a guy who wanted to cut his genitals off. If he had wanted to cut his wrists we`d provide counseling for his depression and help him adjust to life.

    But when my wife has a double mastectomy and asks me if it makes her less of a woman, or my brother has orchiectomy and feels it makes him less of a man, is the answer yes?
  224. Profile photo of anyer
    anyer Female 13-17
    150 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 6:45 am
    i just dont understand
    and never will
  225. Profile photo of TokioKoos
    TokioKoos Female 18-29
    412 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 7:57 am
    She looks great. ^^ That`s all I have to say about all this.
  226. Profile photo of Zaneo
    Zaneo Male 18-29
    32 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 9:10 am
    Sometimes we even get X- and XXY
  227. Profile photo of wake_n_bake
    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
    663 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 9:22 am
    So whats the etiquette on telling a guy who`s interested in you that you have an xy chromosome?
  228. Profile photo of Shahar102
    Shahar102 Female 18-29
    517 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 10:28 am
    Cool, She looks awesome I must say..
    Asain spammers stop spam!
  229. Profile photo of paulyshore
    paulyshore Female 18-29
    89 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    maybe someone can enlighten me -

    i don`t understand sex changes. how does changing your genitalia help you identify with yourself more? that`s just adhering to gender stereotypes, in`t it? because you act/feel effeminate you must have tits and a cooch?

    i guess it`s the same thing as something like a nose job - you want to look how you feel you should look. but again - to me, it`s just pigeon holing yourself (not your body, your actual self) more.

    not against it by any means, just simply don`t. get. it.
  230. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    @wake_n_bake I adapt the speech to the guy. Sometimes it`s easy, sometimes it`s not. Usually, I`ll just be very straightforward about it, something along the lines of "There`s something I have to tell you. I was born male. I`m better now, though" :P Most guys take it pretty well, considering. A few have even stuck around for more dates.
  231. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    @paulyshore Gender Dysphoria is the mental condition of feeling wrong in your body. I had a pretty extreme case. You`re a guy, and I`mma assume you have a penis. You`re comfortable with your penis. Your sexual fantasies involve your penis, right? I mean, when you think about sex, you think about sex as a guy. Ok, so what if you didn`t have a penis? What if you were born a woman, but still all your sexual desires/fantasies revolved around you having a penis? This is just one of the aspects of the mental dysphoria involved, I`m trying to keep this basic. You go to therapists, try to work it out, and eventually come to the decision that the only way to remedy this is to change your body to match your mental state, since changing your mental state isn`t working, and you`re on the edge of suicide. Does that help you understand at all?
  232. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    Sex changes aren`t about getting a vagina because you`re effeminate, or getting a penis because you happen to be butchy. Sex changes are about getting yourself into the body you feel you belong in. Your mind feels like a boy, so you turn your body into a male one, so that you feel like yourself and vice-verse.
  233. Profile photo of Ivy_Maccay
    Ivy_Maccay Female 30-39
    34 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    @paulyshore LOL oops, you`re not a guy. Sorry, that will teach me to pay more attention.
  234. Profile photo of CapnAwesome
    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
    236 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    She looks kinda like susan sarandon at the end.
  235. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    This isn`t a case of ambiguous genitalia: look at the photos.

    What gives you the impression I said it was?

    Without taking hormones and the surgeon`s knife, this guy was just a guy who wanted to cut his genitals off.

    No, he was a guy who wanted to be a woman. Not the same thing at all unless you regard a woman as a neutered man.

    If he had wanted to cut his wrists we`d provide counseling for his depression and help him adjust to life.

    Right - give the right treatment for the problem. In this case, a sex change. It works a lot better than counselling.
  236. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 14, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    But when my wife has a double mastectomy and asks me if it makes her less of a woman, or my brother has orchiectomy and feels it makes him less of a man, is the answer yes?

    Now that`s a good point, but it ties in with the question you didn`t answer:

    How do you define a person`s sex?

    I think it`s a much more difficult question than it first seems.

    To answer your question, I`d say it depends (although I`d pretty it up for an answer for my wife or brother). Useless answer, but it`s the best I have. I`d certainly understand if they wanted reconstructive surgery (and HRT for the man in your examples).
  237. Profile photo of Boomsie
    Boomsie Female 18-29
    251 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    errrr. just wow. what a beautiful woman!
  238. Profile photo of xtreme_dude
    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
    1372 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 11:45 pm
    The scary part is that He-she-it is preddy attractive.
  239. Profile photo of intrigid
    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 12:25 am
    To the people who feel the need to say they don`t understand: Shut the f*ck up. You aren`t supposed to be able to understand.
  240. Profile photo of idiotfilter
    idiotfilter Male 18-29
    3916 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 12:50 am
    lol...it`s always the shirtless ones...
  241. Profile photo of Lauryn
    Lauryn Female 18-29
    437 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 2:25 am
    what happened to 2004??
  242. Profile photo of PoisonB
    PoisonB Male 13-17
    9 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 8:23 am
    drat you, Kate Winslet is hot
  243. Profile photo of Omphaloskept
    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    @Angilion: "How do you define a person`s sex"

    It doesn`t matter how I define a person`s sex -- I disagree with the person in the pictures, though: it`s got to be about more than how you look. And to put your body through these radical changes for the vanity of fooling people (and *trying* to fool yourself) isn`t the answer.
  244. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    It doesn`t matter how I define a person`s sex

    Of course it does, because that determines what sex you see a person as being and a person`s sex is part of the foundation of this whole thing.

    You appear to be defining it by chromosome type, as you think it`s not about a person`s mind or their body.
  245. Profile photo of Omphaloskept
    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    That`s kind of my point: why does it matter what sex I see a person as? I can be easily fooled without subjecting your body to surgical mutilation and hormone levels your body isn`t supposed to produce -- don`t go through all that on *my* account.

    Likewise, if gender is the way you feel about *yourself* (as I`m often told it is), then your outward appearance should be fine the way it is (or was, in the above example) and no amount of surgery or hormone treatments could possibly do anyone any good.

    What`s left are the clinically depressed acting out through radical self-abuse, and other-genitalia-experience fetishists. If that`s the case I suggest therapy and possibly medication rather than radical unnecessary surgery.

    And yes, I feel the same way about face-lifts, boob jobs, and tummy-tucks, too.
  246. Profile photo of IshiiDaFishy
    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
    773 posts
    May 17, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    @Lauryn. She was sucked into the matrix and disappearedfor a while. lol.
  247. Profile photo of Linkenberger
    Linkenberger Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    May 18, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    From age 3 to 12 I was convinced I was a girl in a boy`s body.

    To this day I`m not sure why I`m not gay.
  248. Profile photo of comcastdeals
    comcastdeals Male 18-29
    4 posts
    May 19, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    great transformation..
  249. Profile photo of PringleMan
    PringleMan Female 13-17
    1356 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    wow, looks like a completely different person after 6 years...

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