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  1. Profile photo of edana42
    edana42 Female 50-59
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    May 6, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Link: Students Sent Home For Wearing American Flag Shirt - And it was on Cinco de Mayo. How do you even comment on this news story?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    We all agree that "Cinco de Mayo" should be changed for "Cinco de Drinko"
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    xxxveganxxx Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    What??? No!
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Bienvenidos a Los Estados Unidos de Mexico
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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    Well, first I apply pressure to various point on my human-computer interface device, which corresponds to various electrical signals on my computer. Which transforms them into various shapes that I and others can see through the aid of the Internet.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    oh america how i love thee. the lols never stop with you...
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    damn straight
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    I can understand the bandanna, and maybe even the swim trunks (although they just look like shorts), but the rest was just stupid.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    >.>; srsly?
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Ha Ha.. Land of the free !!

    I bet there was no problem with the Che Guevera shirts.
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    MonoBrow Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    lol... you silly Americans. I do think the school did right though, the kids were clearly only doing that to be douches.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    well the bandana, i can see. no hats allowed in school, and bandanas often represent gangs, etc.

    but they should be allowed to wear whatever they want to school, as long as its not offensive.

    I would FREAK if anyone ever told me to take off my canada hoodie because they were some other race.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    they may have been doing it just to be douches,Monobrow, but it is their right to express their love for their country if they so choose. Thats the whole point of living in a free society.

    and 40 % mexican? woah thats high! I dont even know any mexicans... LOL
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    AmyNicoleduh Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    drinko de mayo*
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    MonoBrow Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    xxPinkxx, Canada isn`t a race, tard
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    SamanthaK187 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    Mexican Holiday. This wasn`t a Mexican school. It`s ok for them to celebrate and perform ethnic dances but not for the boys to celebrate their OWN country? Hey spanish kids who complained - gfy.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    I don`t like that they were clearly wearing our flag as an aggressive stance, just to be a handful of douche bags. Did they wear those shirts and bandannas any other day? Nope. Clearly just being asshats. And sure, xxPinkxx, it`s their right to wear what they want, but, I don`t think that it`s their right in school to be purposefully and obviously agressive. Is it?
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    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    Ew. Bros. >_<
  19. Profile photo of Winter_ICE_0
    Winter_ICE_0 Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    I think they should be removed from school for wearing a TAPOUT shirt to school.
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    Inteluhgint Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    The only thing that shocks me is that this didn`t happen in Florida.
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Eh, something tells me this isn`t the whole story. I can almost guarantee those kids were acting rude somehow and that it was specifically planned for this day for this reason.

    I have no problem with the flag. Personally I think putting it on clothes is tacky though.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    i get the banana...but dont wear a flag cause it might up set some mexicans? my god....send the guy with all the bumper sticker over there!!!
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    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    I`m wearing my Mexican flag t-shirt on cuatro de julio. ;-)
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    TheeAJ123 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    Pinko De Mayo
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    SUR Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    Okay, real Mexicans don`t even celebrate Cinco de Mayo. It`s not mexican independence day but the date of some random mexican victory over Napolean
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    TheeAJ123 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    Looks like John Gosselin got a job as a field news reporter, good for him. :)
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    You know they were basically saying "drat Cinco de Mayo." Which makes the students just as big of non-nice individuals as the non-nice individual school officials that stepped all over free speech.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    Yeah poor under-priviledged white kids puffing their chests. Nothing to see here.
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    dapaperboy Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    apparently were not allowed to be patriotic.

    offtopic: I like bananas to skypirate, but how is that relevant?
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    MountainBord Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    lol Harrryyyy!
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    I don`t think this is a case of some kids innocently wearing their flag to school. Seems like they intentionally decked themselves in as many USA flags as possible on a ethnic holiday to cause a stir.
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    theguy91 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    Sounds like they were trying to be douchebags. In which case, I don`t really care.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    I`m wearing my Mexican flag t-shirt on cuatro de julio.


    We`re not in your country, and neither was this high school. If these kids were in Mexico then it would be totally logical for them to be sent home.

    About wearing the Mexican flag to the fourth of July:

    1. I don`t think you`d really go insult the country that`s afforded you all the comforts you enjoy.

    2. If you do, let us know how that goes for you.

    I don`t think that it`s their right in school to be purposefully and obviously agressive. Is it?


    Freedom of speech was intended to allow people to express opinions that are controversial or offensive. I`m offended that anyone can consider an American flag offensive in this country.
  34. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    ...o`er the Land of the Within Certain Rigidly PC-Define Boundaries Calculated Not To Cause Offense Free... and the home of...
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    AtomicSkier9 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:29 pm
    Fagerstrom?????

  36. Profile photo of MetalLinx
    MetalLinx Female 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    yea some kid at my school had american flags on his car on that day. he nearly got arrested and had his car vandalized
  37. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Seems like they intentionally decked themselves in as many USA flags as possible on a ethnic holiday to cause a stir.

    Mexican isn`t an ethnicity. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican national holiday. Also, I don`t think there would have been a stir if they did this during Ramadan, Yom Kippur, or Vesak.
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    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    Am I the only one who notice the anchorman at the beginning looked to the wrong screen for the transition? XD
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    quaintness Male 13-17
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    If we censure one view, we have to censure them all. So what if some people get offended? It`s their choice to make the offending statement. Suck it up, this is a free country.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    If they decked themselves out in as many American flags as humanly possible to express "this is our country and we don`t like celebrating your stupid non-American holiday"? Uh, I think people would have a problem with that on any of those holidays.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    So if I were to go to a Mexican school and I wanted to celebrate the American Independence Day (I know school usually isn`t in session then, but lets just say), and there were a bunch of Americans there, I could tell the Mexicans wearing their colors to go home, that their land is ours for the day?
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    PtblDuffy Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    Whether it was right or not this news story gave them exactly what they wanted. Attention.
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    SO WHAT? EVEN HIS DAD IS MEXICAN.


    FFS HISPANICS.

    GET YOUR poo TOGETHER

    SINCERELY,
    <- ANOTHER HISPANIC.
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    lashaspice Female 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    I am personally offended that these children were singled out and their First Amendment rights were so violated. What is this country coming to?? Political Correctness has officially too far and enough is enough!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    indefensible suppression of free speech
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    I think what these kids are doing is making a political statement, and yes they`re doing on a day in which it might be taken as offensive. However, I do not think they should be censored for doing it because:

    1. It`s just an American flag. I might understand if they had shirts of the Mexican flag upside down or that said "go back to Mexico", but if these kids don`t dig Mexico and wanna express their Americanness, they should be allowed to.

    2. I don`t think it is moral to censor someone`s patriotism.

    3. Being in America makes wearing an American flag appropriate on any day of the year.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    Why can`t we be called Latino, at least we arent being related to that poo ass nation that raped our culture.
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    Burni Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    It`s so funny... the previous picture which I watched on IAB was a car with bumper stickers saying how "AMERICA IS THE LAND OF FREEDOM"

    Hahahah BULLpoo... Americans can`t wear their own flag as a T-shirt in their country?! :D Is that freedom?
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    Weakmonkey Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Anyone feel like we are a step away from making Fahrenheit 451 a reality?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    Thats just silly!
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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    So we cant wear our own colors in school because the mexicans, who are living in america, are offended? By what? lol
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    HOLY CRAP!!!! I can`t believe this made it to IAB. I went to Live Oak and currently live in Morgan Hill.

    I completely side with the vice principal`s decision. First of all, not really a 1st amendment issue, court cases have repeatedly shown that it is the school`s discretion in these situations. Live Oak has had issues with this same sort of thing before, and fights resulted. These kids WERE NOT suspended. They REFUSED to change and CHOSE to go home. Every Mexican American student asked to change or had their flags confiscated complied, why does no one have a problem with that? Other students wore American flag clothing and were not asked to change, only these kids, and that is because they were an issue and they were causing a problem. They were going around campus talking about how great Arizona`s new law is. They were instigating trouble and the administration dealt with them.

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    Danny1129 Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    Hhmm.....can`t wear a flag shirt but you wear your pants have way down your ASS?!?! God, I`m glad I didn`t grow in this generation. Sincerely..the old fart>-)
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    ferrari91169 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    @unmercyfuldu,

    Well, what does it matter if they went around talking about how great the new law is. Doesn`t seem like it`d bother other students unless they are illegal.
  55. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    "Hahahah BULLpoo... Americans can`t wear their own flag as a T-shirt in their country?! :D Is that freedom?"

    I have to say this is of questionable legality. People have a right not to be arbitrarily kicked out of school, and wearing an American Flag T-Shirt does not suddenly become offensive only because it is Cinco be Mayo.

    That said, THE FLAG SHOULD NOT BE WORN AS CLOTHING.

    "The flag should never be used as WEARING APPAREL...." 4 U.S.C. Sec. 8(d) (2006).

    Also, as an aside, this one always pisses me off because people do it all the time...

    "The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard."

    4 U.S.C. Sec. 8(i) (2006).
  56. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    @ferrari91169

    Well, no, if you know anything about the law it is unfortunate for anyone with brown skin.

    But regardless, it is a very touchy issue with people and clearly shows these kids were looking for trouble at a school with a large Mexican American population and a history where violence has been started by individuals wearing American flag shirts. The administrators made a decision to keep students safe. Simple.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:40 pm
    "Live Oak has had issues with this same sort of thing before, and fights resulted."

    This is a good point, and I would agree that if there was a reasonable connection between the kids wearing the shirts and hostility or violence - as in actual fights, intimidation, etc. - its a closer question.
  58. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    Does anyone want to lay bets on how long it will be before several states come under Mexican rule?

    I`m being serious. They used to be Mexican, Mexican Spanish is becoming a practically mandatory language there, Mexican national festivals are very widely celebrated there and, most importantly, a significant number of people there think of themselves as American second, if at all.

    Continue on that path and those states leave the USA.
  59. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    "I would agree that if there was a reasonable connection between the kids wearing the shirts and hostility or violence"

    Thats what I am saying for first had experience. This very issue resulted in fistfights on May 5th 1999.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    "Continue on that path and those states leave the USA"

    I suspect if states develop Latino majorities (so what? Citizens are citizens), they`ll just run their own state governments, and send their own representatives to Washington. God Bless America.
  61. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    @Angilion

    Look at the language you are using. Mexican rule. Like if there are enough Mexican Americans here they toss out the constitution and start ruling the land with their own laws. You biased language is absurd. If you want to say that the majority in CA will be Hispanic then you are too late because they are. Guess what, that is fine, because they are American...
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    unmercy - I`d want to see particularized evidence, specific to these kids - I don`t accept a blanket ban on wearing a T-Shirt bearing the flag unless the admins know that kid is intending to fight.
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:53 pm
    People just like to start fights over f-cking everything these days, don`t they? What a butt-hurt, uptight generation this is becoming...
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    Anglion - no state is required to have an official language, and it would entirely constitutional for a state to elect to have Spanish be its official language, if its government wanted to. Maybe not likely or practical, but possible.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    @goaliejerry

    Fortunately your assessment of the evidence specific to these kids is not required, but it is, however, enough evidence to back up the school`s decision based on previous court rulings of these types of cases.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    It the long run it`s not gonna matter. Another 30 years and white people will be the minority. Viva La Reconquista pinche gringos!
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    "OMG! The pigments of your shirt are in the exact pattern that makes me a raging lunatic not unlike a bull that was tortured for a crowd`s amusement! Obviously you must be punished"

    ^How I like to think what went through the Dean`s head.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    First of all, Live Oak is a damn joke. The school sports teams are the Acorns. Their slogan at football games: bust a nut. You can imagine how embarrassing that was.
    But seriously, I went there. The Mexican population is huge, and to make things worse, Morgan Hill is a major yuppy town, with a substantial conservative, (relatively) wealthy, white population of silicon valley commuters. This is a familiar recipe for trouble, for we who live there: everyone, EVERYONE, knows that Cinco de Mayo is a big day for the Mexican population of the San Jose area. But these uppity rich kids and their racist parents think it`s ok to intentionally invite conflict, when they know exactly what the result will be. The dumb brats were out of line, not the school. Free speech, by the way, does not cover speech intended to incite or cause harm; why else wear so much American flag stuff on that day? For f***`s sake.
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    "OMG! The pigments of your shirt are in the exact pattern that makes me a raging lunatic not unlike a bull that was tortured for a crowd`s amusement! Obviously you must be punished"

    ^How I like to think what went through the Dean`s head.
  70. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    @Tsuroyu

    Wow another Live Oak IABer. What year did you graduate? I graduated 04.
  71. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    If you want to say that the majority in CA will be Hispanic then you are too late because they are. Guess what, that is fine, because they are American...

    If they are a majority now then that is because of the number of illegal immigrants in the population. Without them hispanics would not be a majority, so I guess you could say they are an illegal majority.

    What Angilion was saying was that despite many of them being American, they only think of themselves as American secondly, if at all. A case in point was the 2006 immigration reform protests when the hispanic community came out with Mexican flags and changed our national anthem to a propaganda message, half of which was in spanish.

  72. Profile photo of FlameOfUdun
    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    It`s technically against the law, but nobody really cares.
  73. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    I graduated `01, and I worked with you at Cinema 6, you dork.
  74. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    This is why so many Americans have a problem with illegal immigration. Well, the main problem is they have access to our social welfare system, but another is that there is no requirement to assimilate to our country. This process of assimilation is forced on those who enter our country through legal channels, but those who came here illegally don`t deal with this same requirement. Without that imposition there is nothing to make them "American" and they don`t experience the same level of connection to our country. Our government is as much to blame as any illegal immigrant that sneaks across the border but they do not identify with our laws and customs, they only wish to occupy our lands and retain their own culture.
  75. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    "If they are a majority now then that is because of the number of illegal immigrants in the population. Without them hispanics would not be a majority, so I guess you could say they are an illegal majority."
    ...What is this? There is no logic here, just random connections you are asserting. Well, since mere assertion demands only mere denial, allow me to say this: No, it is not because of illegal immigrants. You are wrong. Try an argument, next time.
    "they only think of themselves as American secondly, if at all."
    This is crap, too. You can`t tell anything about how they think of themselves in relation to the US, based on the fact that they have some pride in the country they came from. They can`t even celebrate that for 1 day?
    "when the hispanic community came out"
    Generalize much? Even so, it STILL doesn`t make your point; the point of a protest is to be provocative. Again, has nothing to do with their "true feelings" about
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    This is ridiculous. Whether or not those boys should have tried to invite conflict is beside the point- they are in America and were punished for wearing America-themed clothing. Yes, they were trying to make a statement, but that`s their RIGHT. Shouldn`t the administration have been more concerned with the volatility of the Mexican kids if they were anticipating the boys` clothes causing problems? If they did cause trouble, it would be for no reason other than that the Mexicans have some sort of strange entitlement in that school, because the boys did absolutely nothing wrong.
  77. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    Yikes, Brassbull... so apparently you`re just a racist.
  78. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    @Seastone

    All Mexican American students told to change did, only these kids put up a fight. An it is not really a matter of constitutional rights as far as minors at school are concerned. Minors are treated more like property than citizens under the law.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    Your country brassbull? Get your story straight. And as far as your "immigartion problem" its like this, people come here to work. If there are no jobs, then theres no reason to come. You want to blame hard working, under paid people when you really should be blaming the employers who under cut wages to keep profits high. Go pick stawberries, go wash dishes, or STFU with your right wing talking points. Turn off fox and do some actual research. Over the last ten years immigration had vastly declined due to job loss under the Bush admin. And the number of "illegals" aprehended at the border has fallen from over a million in the 80s to roughly two hundred thousand.
  80. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    @Seastone

    And those students trying to start a fight is not besides the point. It is the entire point. So anyone wearing an American flag can do whatever they want? It is the school`s job to keep kids safe. These kids were inciting conflict and ultimately violence.
  81. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    @Tsuroyu: Kudos.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    @flameofudun:

    "It`s technically against the law, but nobody really cares."

    No. Wearing an ACTUAL American Flag is desecrating the flag. Not wearing a picture of one.

    If that were the case, all the soldiers and police would be breaking the law for having on on their uniforms.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    @Seastone, no... See, the real point is that they WEREN`T trying to make a statement, they were just trying to be contrary to what they knew that day represents for many Mexican-Americans. Or, at BEST, they were trying to make a blatantly racist statement by making a point of their personal disrespect for the Mexican holiday. To wear those outfits on that day, knowing full well what it was, was no noble application of free speech, for god`s sake. It was intentional disrespect, pure and simple. Does free speech protect disrespectful speech, yes, but this is a high school, and the dynamics of peacekeeping there require different interpretations of what sort of speech is capable of inciting trouble. If this were a legitimate statement, made in a legitimate place for its expression, I`d fully agree with you! But it was clearly neither.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    Furthermore, Search arrests made at the border during different times of the year. During crop season and planting season, the number of people detained while crossing the border severely falls, while the other times of the year detentions rise to average levels. Coincidence or unspoken policy? If a law is neither enforced or obeyed is it really a law?
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    Holy poo, we have American flags in every classroom but if you wear one on a Mexican holiday you`re labeled as a racist? I`m sorry but the fact that it`s a holiday to a foreign nation shouldn`t make such an impact at home.

    I go to a school that`s 35% Hispanic btw and we hardly recognized the holiday, if at all.
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    ILikeApples Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    i wonder what happens on patriots day...
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    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    blah blah blah. shut the hell up. Not to any of you on here, to this news report and those douchebag kids and parents. They wore those colors to p*ss off the hispanics. Yes. That is why they did it. And yes they are racist. There is a thing called self-hating-(whatever). Whether it be Jew, African-American, Mexican-American (Hispanic), Asain, or even white (CRACKERS) ha.
    I`m not a Christian so i can judge, and i will. Those kids look like the type of kids who would beat up other kids just for being different. It may not be true for all of them, but i`ll bet my nuts that at least one is a douchebag bully piece of sh*t. Dance.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Cinco de Mayo is not an American national holiday, so it isn`t celebrated in this country. It`s an excuse to have $.99 margaritas and get drunk, because that`s what Mexico is based on anyway. Drugs and drinking.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    "I go to a school that`s 35% Hispanic btw and we hardly recognized the holiday, if at all."

    Well then it`s quite different at your school. The kids aren`t racist for wearing a flag. They`re racist for their motivation for wearing the flag. All of a sudden, so many of you act like you can`t really see what`s underlying these kids` actions; yet when it`s something closer to home--say, your girlfriend or boyfriend has been coming home late, and you just KNOW based on their behavior that they`re cheating--you`ll be the first one to point out the very obvious intentions that someone else is trying to cover up. These are not innocent kids who happened to put on their flag shirts that day. I went there, I can tell you man, there is a ton of tension in that school around issues like this. The kids wore the flags intentionally to piss people off. That sort of action should not be condoned, and especially in a high school.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    @auburnjunky: Drugs and drinking? Oh yeah, sure, and the SOUTH doesnt have its fair share of problems. So why dont you keep your mouth shut and go bang your cousin and we`ll keep pretending that doesnt happen anymore.
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    "OMG! The pigments of your shirt are in the exact pattern that makes me a raging lunatic not unlike a bull that was tortured for a crowd`s amusement! Obviously you must be punished"

    ^How I like to think what went through the Dean`s head.
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    WeirdMN Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    This is the United States, not Mexico. To all Mexicans here illegally, please feel free to go back to Mexico to celebrate crapo de mayo. And stay there.
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    najamesk1 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    Send the Hispanics home on any other day if they where any thing that is Hispanic
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    Thank you duffers.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    There`s 195 sovereign nations and most of them probably have some sort of national holiday. FFS, wearing a shirt with a flag design next Tuesday might be on some obscure nation`s national holiday, but would anyone cry racism?

    I know this incident is such an issue because roughly 14% of Americans are Hispanic, but they live in the U.S and should take pride of the American flag, not feel insulted by it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    ElMustache. Tell me one good quality Mexico represents?

    None? Okay good.

    Baseless personal attacks make you look like an ass. If you have an opinion, share it, otherwise, shut the drat up and let the grown-ups talk okay boy?
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    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    @ auburnjunky
    LMAO! so right, but still sooo racist lol
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm
    "That sort of action should not be condoned"

    But it should be tolerated, as dictated by the first amendment.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm
    WeirdMN: Im sorry you feel that way but you should really start being nicer to the gardner, the busboy, the maid, and many many other hard working latinos "legal or unauthorized" because one day very, very soon your grandkids are gonna be speaking spanish in schools, and your anglo whatever bullsh*t way of life will be over. Time to assimilate Puto!
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    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    @ ElMustache
    You`re welcome. And I thank YOU good sir.
    or madam or what-have-you.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    el mustache; they still know it`s against the law. PERIOD. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are breaking the LAW. While I agree that employers should be held accountable as well; they are still KNOWINGLY breaking FEDERAL LAW, and should be held accountable. And I like how you tell "Brassbull" to STFU for expressing his opinion, but you blame it on being "right wing". Maybe you can take some lessons in etiquette , since nowhere in Brassbull`s original comment was there ANY language like "STFU" or any acknowledgment of anyone political party choices.
    Get off your liberal high horse; if this were any other country they would have been deported long ago. Take a look at MEXICO`S guidelines for becoming a citizen, and what happens if you are caught there illegally. America needs to start looking out for itself, instead of allowing people to be here illegally because they "feel bad".
    And I`m pretty sure the unemployment rate has gotten worse since Obama becam
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    @duffers:

    I said MEXICO, not MEXICANS. Therefore, not racist. It`s hate of Mexico, not it`s people.

    cwhuididthar?
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    at that too; because with the WORST DEFICIT this country has EVER seen in our history. That`s the answer to everything. Just bail everyone out, keep people on welfare.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    "Tell me one good quality Mexico represents"

    Hard work, and the willingness to do what it takes to feed one`s family. How about that one? You have such an easy time flinging idiotic insults at Mexico in general, yet at the same time you want to blame Mexicans for coming here to work?! So what... they should STAY in Mexico, and just deal with the poverty, "drugs, and drinking?" His attack wasn`t baseless; it was based on the demonstrated fact that you`re a goddamn moron.
    This board really is crawling with racist imbeciles, I had no idea.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Boy? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I really thought you southerners were smarter than that to confuse a mexican with a negrito. As I`ve said in another post your days are numbered whitey. Soon america will be a bilingual nation, and you, the scared minority will be under our boot. Makes you shiver doesnt it? Just wait till one of your grandchildren brings one of us home to meet the familia. Viva La Reconquista!
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    "should take pride of the American flag, not feel insulted by it."

    They`re not insulted by the flag; if that were the case, they wouldn`t live here! They`re insulted by the use of the flag for the specific purpose of causing insult, which is what the kids were doing! Why is this so hard to grasp?
  107. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    WeirdMN: Im sorry you feel that way but you should really start being nicer to the gardner, the busboy, the maid, and many many other hard working latinos "legal or unauthorized" because one day very, very soon your grandkids are gonna be speaking spanish in schools, and your anglo whatever bullsh*t way of life will be over. Time to assimilate Puto!


    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. SO fu*king true my friend. So Fu*king true. HA!!!! LEARN SPANISH ALL YOU FOOLS. WHAT? WE CAN"T BE LIKE CANADA? TWO NATIONAL LANGUAGES!! at the very least.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    @Tsuroyu

    Those aren`t qualities that Mexico represents, those are qualities that a hard-working Mexican represents.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    Sounds like that Vice Principal needs to have his junk slammed in a door. I`d love the opportunity to let him explain his side of the story, just so we could all make fun of him for being an idiot. Probably more to the story than we realize, but this *IS* America. If you are a citizen you are an American, if you are not a citizen and don`t want to be, pound sand. Freedom applies to everyone and forcing your point of view onto someone because of some imagined authority is not acceptable.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    Thank you npdarren.

    To expound on his point.

    If a Mexican has come here illegally, but wishes to become a citizen and do his part, and pay his taxes, I AM ALL FOR IT!

    It`s the mexicans who come here to take pay without paying taxes, and make anchor babies with American women and come to start gangs, and basically take actions that can be best described as terrorism, and take food stamps and welfare without paying into the system that I cannot stand, and I want them GONE!
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    "use of the flag for the specific purpose of causing insult, which is what the kids were doing!"

    I`m sure that`s why they`re doing it, but that`s making an assumption. You`re condemning these kids for what they may or may not be thinking, essentially thought-crime. They`re not doing anything aversive or derogatory or discriminatory. They`re (making an assumption) conveying a message. No different than the silence day we had a couple weeks ago. I don`t condone intentionally insulting messages, but I also don`t condone telling someone they`re not entitled to representation of their opinions.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    Still waiting for an educated response ElLiphair.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    "because of some imagined authority is not acceptable."

    Um, what?

    Try this on for size.

    Nothing imagined about that authority.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    @SilverThread

    There isn`t much more to the story, only more than you care to notice. The kids were inciting conflict at a school where violence over this type of thing has a history. They took the appropriate steps to make sure no fights broke out. It has nothing to do with quieting one`s freedom of speech, it had everything to do with stopping the inciting of violence.
  115. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    @duffers:

    I said MEXICO, not MEXICANS. Therefore, not racist. It`s hate of Mexico, not it`s people.

    cwhuididthar?




    OH!!!! Ok my bad dude. I guess you were talking about the Mexican landscape and...uh...the SKY that is over Mexico and..uh...i don`t know...maybe the tacos?? Oh, and by the way I absolutely love the way you used the word "boy" when talking to ElMustache. Yeah. Your colors are definitely showing. I`m guessing they`re white??
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    No I`m Irish-Dutch-American. My people were once slaves to the English, and my ancestors run hash bars.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Feeltheride: Obama came into office with a national deficit in the trillions. Where were you when bush waged two wars and didnt pay for them? Look this isnt about bush so ill let it rest there. But the simple fact is AMERICA has always been a beacon of hope, americas settlers were escaping "illegally" from england to find prosperity and tolerance in another country. People from the world over have given up everything and flocked here to find something better. The irish, the italians, the chinese, the list goes on and on. Have you forgotten what it says on the statue of liberty?
    .. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me
  118. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm
    @ElMustache:

    Okay, but why can`t they come into the country legally, and get jobs the right way, without breaking the law?
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    @Tsuroyu

    You did read that in your link it says "the First Amendment does not prevent educators from suppressing student speech, at a school-supervised event, that is reasonably viewed as PROMOTING ILLEGAL DRUG USE."?

    I don`t think these kids were promoting illegal drug use.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    @npdarren

    Yeah and a fight is a bit more immediate situation than drug use which would be a much more reasonable thing for a school to made a decision on. The link just shows who the courts will side with in these sorts of situations.
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    For f***`s...

    Ok, look. You mean to tell me that if the SC thinks illegal drug use is a sufficient reason for a school to be able to stifle its students` speech, that it WON`T also think that the immediate (and with a great deal of precedent at this school, remember) possibility of violence is sufficient?
    "Making a statement" about illegal drugs is MORE harmful than "making a statement" that is known (by those making it, as well) to carry a great potential to incite violence?
  122. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    @ FeelTheRide
    Yeah that does suck but that`s not really the issue. Or maybe it is. Fact being: "Capitalism is indeed organized crime. And we`re all the victims."
    10 cred points for anyone who can name it. BLAH!!! A joke. But truthfully that is capitalism. If you have a problem, throw money at it, and eventually it will fix itself. God bless America?
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    Auburnjunky: Still waiting for you to open your eyes. Look, insults aside, bickering will get us nowhere. Im as much in favor of comprehensive immigration reform as the next person, but to say mexicans are to blame is spouting the same rhetoric as when your irish anscestors came to shore and the native people said the same of them. Cant you see your anscestors struggle is the same one my people go through now? Its the cycle of xenophobia that perpetually happens in this country. The finger pointing the distraction from whats really going on. The fact that we are ALL being screwed without even knowing it.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    ElMustache, my family immigrated here from Ireland and Germany. LEGALLY. There is no excuse. I have many friends living here LEGALLY!!!! From both Mexico and Europe.
    Have you ever had your identity stolen?
    I have THREE times.
    Have you ever known someone kidnapped off the streets in a border town and taken into Mexico?
    I have.
    There are problems FAR deeper than people taking jobs. People living near the border are afraid of being kidnapped on a daily basis. BECAUSE THERE IS NO BORDER CONTROL. Because people are COMING HERE ILLEGALLY. I`m not saying everyone here illegally is murdering and kidnapping people or selling drugs to children or stealing identities. But it`s still against the law.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Okay...so you`re saying freedom of expression should be restricted when there`s a chance of violence resulting? Haha, sorry but nearly everything is insulting to someone somewhere, and restricting someone`s opinion because you think it offends someone else is absolutely ridiculous.
  126. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:20 pm
    "No I`m Irish-Dutch-American."

    Still sounds like cracker to me! lol. just kidding fella. Well i`m native american, even though i hate that term, and we were slaves here in this "country" before any africans were brought over. Everyone`s ancestors in one way or another has been a slave. Seriously dude. Just smoke some of that hash and .. i don`t know... maybe start loving your fellow man?
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    @Duffers

    Hash?!?! At least get some good stuff!! LoL
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    @duffers:

    Let`s not quote "Refused" in here please.

    I love that band, FOR THE MUSIC lol.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    Auburnjunky: The waiting list to become naturalized at present is 11 years! During which time families still need to eat, and bills still need to be paid. Is it fair? No. But thats exactly the point, nothing is ever done to make the playing field level. If were too busy fighting with eachother we cannot see whos really to blame. Blame the Walmarts putting small business out of business, blame companies that pay no taxes, blame congressmen that do nothing to change it because they are on somebodys pay roll while the rest of us are left to deal. Let me be the first to extend the olive branch.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    @npdarren

    There wasn`t just a chance of violence, they were actively inciting it. And I am not saying that there is a difference between inciting violence and free speach, the laws of this country are you twit.
  131. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    @ FeelTheRide
    There is an excuse. BEING POOR AND WANTING TO BETTER YOUR FAMILIES LIFE. I`m sure that you would cross a "border" "illegally" to make you families life better. I know i would.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    @ElMustache:

    No. My ancestors came here LEGALLY and went through the PROCESS, and were still maligned and shat upon.

    I`m over it though, because that didn`t happen to me. I`m not looking for reparations, but that`s a whole other discussion.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    @Duffers,

    That`s the difference between us. I wouldn`t do that. I`m too afraid of being thrown in prison to break the law. On top of that, IT`S NOT RIGHT! I have morals, and I don`t do things I don`t believe are right.
  134. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    And if you`re poor and want a better life...DO IT LEGALLY!!!!! That`s how I`m here. My family was poor and wanted a better life so the immigrated here...LEGALLY. The point is, it`s against the law; PERIOD. You can`t argue FEDERAL LAW.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    Feeltheride: As i have said before. If we go after the companies that HIRE unauthorized workers there would be no need to steal a social security number. And as far as drugs and cartels, murders, etc. They deal pot, we smoke pot, if we legalize it and grow it in our own country, their profit and need for violence in gang wars literally disappear. Im very sorry for that to have had happen to you, but there are bad apples no matter where you go.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    @ElMustache:

    "The waiting list to become naturalized at present is 11 years! During which time families still need to eat, and bills still need to be paid. Is it fair?"

    It takes 24 hours to get a 2 year work visa, and you can renew them indefinitely. During that time, you can apply for citizenship, and wait for it to be approved, but be here LEGALLY and WORKING in the process.
  137. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    @ auburnjunky.
    LOL. Well good sir I`m surprised at you. I didn`t think that YOU would know the band. Lol. Take 500 scene points and share them with your fellow man. Perhaps I have misjudged you. But yeah, just because we both listen to Refused doesn`t mean we could share a coffee. And yeah dude, Refused were totally ahead of their time right? Music wise. I gather you don`t care much for the politics.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    @ElMustache:

    "They deal pot, we smoke pot, if we legalize it and grow it in our own country, their profit and need for violence in gang wars literally disappear."

    HEAR HEAR! I agree with this 100%
  139. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Have you ever had your identity stolen?
    I have THREE times.

    Wait, what? Three times you say? Wow.

    ... I`m just trying to wrap my head around that.

    You`re either an incredibly careless person or you live in a town of thieves and conmen.

    But as to the immigration-from-Mexico issue... I`m on the fence to be honest. I do know one thing though, to "fix the problem" your way would be so incredibly expensive it would outweigh any sort of "harm" illegals are doing to you, and this is because as long as the US remains a place where one can be prosperous (more so than in Mexico), then people will come there. Stopping them will be nearly impossible.
  140. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    And that`s just it: of COURSE everyone here would cross a border illegal and get an illegal job, if it meant the difference between life and literal starvation. Normally, you`d think we couldn`t blame people for doing what they must in order to NOT starve. But in the US we`re so obsessed with our current entitlements that we`re completely insensitive to, not just the discomfort, but the life-threatening situations of anyone who is not from this country originally.

    And yes, I am for restricting free speech, when it might cause violence, in a frickin high school. In front of the capitol, no, because those adults know the real consequences if they allow themselves to resort to violence, and so they`ll try not to. In a high school? Kids are not so motivated to restrain themselves, and it will result in someone getting hurt. KIDS, guys.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    El Mustache; as I said the are KNOWING breaking the law. It doesn`t matter if they are being given jobs or not. They know it`s against the law. Period.

    I agree that companies hiring illegals need to be fined and/or shut down. But as a friend said to me. If you have a flood in your basement, you have to fix the leak before anything getting the water out. The point being, the border issue needs to be addressed.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    feeltheride: In regard to federal law. If a law is neither enforced of obeyed, is it really a law? Google the data for detentions at the border during planting and harvesting, The numbers drastically change. Why? Because we allow it, someone has to pick the lettuce. If regular citizens went out and worked the fields the price of your fruits and veggies would go up to compensate for the legal wages paid. where they can get away with 85 cents an hour, 5 dollars an hour, it keeps your produce cheap.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    @LazyMe,

    I`m not lazy; I have changed my SSN 3 times. I never carry my SS card with me; my SSN was sold to 3 (I`m assuming) illegal immigrants.
    I am not, nor have I ever been: Jesus Valasquez, Lupe Gonzalez, or Jose Luis.
    Last time I checked I`m not of Hispanic descent; nor do I have a penis.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    All laws that make a restriction on free speech based on whether it incites violence include the stipulation that it must demonstrate a "clear and present danger". Can you honestly say wearing an American flag shirt in America poses a clear and present danger?
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    auburnjunky: Glad we finally agree on something! lol. =D
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    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    "That`s the difference between us. I wouldn`t do that. I`m too afraid of being thrown in prison to break the law. On top of that, IT`S NOT RIGHT! I have morals, and I don`t do things I don`t believe are right."

    That just reveals your incredibly sheltered lifestyle, despite what you say about friends being kidnapped, etc etc. You`re so scared of prison, but you obviously have no conception at all of the visceral reality of starvation. Your morals would go out the window, especially when you can say to yourself, "I`m not really hurting anyone, just trying to survive." It`s not such a clear-cut wrong, to cross the border to feed starving children back home.
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    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    @ FeelTheRide
    Ok. I see your point of view. But really? Are you saying that if your mother or father or daughter or son or niece or nephew or what have you were starving you wouldn`t cross a border "illegaly" to provide them food, clothing, or possibly even shelter? I will say this my friend, the laws of MAN do not have overpower the laws of GOD( if there even is one. i`m an agnostic so yeah.) And that "God" is all loving and there are no BORDERS in his or her eyes.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    @tsuroyu:

    "And yes, I am for restricting free speech,"

    WOW!

    Treasonous remarks get you nowhere. You do know that`s a capital crime in this country right?
  149. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    ElMustache,

    Why do you think AZ just signed that law? Because the federal government just pushes the issue under the rug. We, as a country, were promised Immigration reform; and have seen none.
  150. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    feeltheride: I agree with your pipe statement, but you cant blame water for leaking out of a hole. The Whole pipe needs to be fixed. Otherwise its just a matter of time before the "water" find another way. Im not saying im not in favor of immigration reform, im just not in favor of punishing the individual for crimes the company that hires them commits.
  151. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    And, I know it`s irrelevant to this post, but why are PUBLIC schools granted different provisions under the law? If they`re public, they shouldn`t have their own laws and regulations aside from the rest of the general public. I guess that is just something we accept because it seems like common-sense...
  152. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    @Tsuroyu

    Trust me sweetheart, I have not lived a sheltered lifestyle. I moved out of my parents house at 17. I`ve lived in a car for almost a year, and gone days without eating. But I NEVER broke the law to get myself out of that situation.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    @npdarren

    Yeah, well again, as that link pointed out, the laws regarding students, schools and minors are a lot different than for adult citizens. The law would simply defend the decision of the school. I have said this over and over today, it really isn`t an issue of freedom of speech, because it doesn`t come into play, these are children at school. The school is responsible for their safety and have extra tools to make sure that happens. If these were adults at the capital I would be singing a different song. But those are the laws buddy...
  154. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    ElMustache,

    Agree to disagree? :) I still see that Illegal immigrants are breaking the law. You can`t just hold a company accountable when they are both in the wrong.
  155. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    "Can you honestly say wearing an American flag shirt in America poses a clear and present danger?"

    Yes, this is a point we tried to make way back in the thread. There is precedent, past cases of violence, at this high school, in situations like this. It happens a lot. The kids wearing the american flags knew this (everyone at Live Oak does, trust me). You are conveniently ignoring the context by saying "american flags in america." American flags in a school where violence will occur if students behave as they were. The principal`s actions were not motivated by the desire to shut down their free expression, but to prevent violence, and it`s just that simple.
  156. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    "I know it`s irrelevant to this post, but why are PUBLIC schools granted different provisions under the law?"

    And see, there is your problem, that is not irrelevant to this forum. That is the whole f*cking point!!!
  157. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    @ FeelTheRide
    Arizona passed that law because they are a bunch of racist crackers that were elected by racist fishbellies. They claimed the crime rate in that state had been going up due to the inflow of illegal immigrants. BUT actually, even though the states number of citizens has grown over the last few years, there crime rate has gone done! So...What the hell do you have to say for yourself Arizona??
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    I hate to say this, but....

    Minors have no rights by the law. They basic human rights, but as far as the law goes, they have the right to do nothing.

    Just wanted to throw that out there.
  159. Profile photo of Tsuroyu
    Tsuroyu Male 18-29
    55 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    "@tsuroyu:

    "And yes, I am for restricting free speech,"

    WOW!

    Treasonous remarks get you nowhere. You do know that`s a capital crime in this country right?"

    I see, you really are the king of "out of context." Unfortunately for you, any of the intelligent readers of your post will immediately realize how badly you`re strawmanning me by doing that. It just makes you look bad, buddy.
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    zombieland Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    If u dont like Uhhmerica then u can just geeeet out
  161. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    down....not done. my bad
  162. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    Duffers,
    You don`t live in Arizona; obviously.
    So you don`t see what goes on here.
  163. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    @npdarren

    And you are so hung up on freedom of speech for students. All the Mexican American students who were asked to change their clothing or had their flags confiscated complied. Were their rights not trampled? Why are you so worked up about the white kids and American flag. Is their freedom of speech dependent on what color they are wearing?

    But this is a back step from my whole point. The kids are treated differently under the law.
  164. Profile photo of FeelTheRide
    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    I love how people just blame it on race....that makes me laugh so hard.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    @duffers:

    So what you are saying, is that their population increased, and the crime rate went down.

    Okay let`s analyze this.

    If there are 1,000,000 illegals in a state, and 100,000 of them were committing crimes, that`s 10% crime from illegals.

    If the illegal population rose to 10,000,000 but the same 100,000 illegals were committing crimes, the crime rate goes down to 1%, but there`s JUST AS MUCH CRIME!

    Bad apples spoil the bunch.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    AZ signed the law because sadly, its an election year and it gets people riled up and they tend to show up to vote. It really has nothing to do with immigration. Its a sham. There are already laws in AZ books regarding immigration for ex: AZ Voluntary disclosure program, roughly 6% of companies in AZ are registered in this program, what it does it tracks who companies hire to ensure workers are legit but it isnt mandatory, if it was you could see who was hiring unauthorized workers and who was hiring citizens at federal wages. There are laws but nobody enforces them.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    @feeltheride:

    I am not blaming a race of people. I am blaming an immigration status of a person (so is Arizona).

    If it were Russian illegals, I`d be hating on `em just as much.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    @auburn
    That wasn`t directed at you :)
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    @zombieland
    "If u dont like Uhhmerica then u can just geeeet out"

    HILARIOUS MOVIE!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    @duffers:

    Look at what I said before first.

    Technically though, 10,000,000 illegals in a state constitutes 100% crime by illegals, because it is a crime to be here illegally.

    There`s always that.
  171. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    I`m 18 and a senior at my high school. Because I`m 18 I am no longer a minor, and thus I have certain unalienable rights. But wait...because I`m still in high school I don`t have those unalienable rights...? I don`t know if these kids are 18, 17, or whatever, but my point is that public schools are granted far too much discretion. You`d think that federal laws are supreme in this land (which they actually are, as declared by McCullogh v. Maryland), when even though I`m an adult under national laws, school discretion trumps.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    "All the Mexican American students who were asked to change their clothing or had their flags confiscated complied."

    I think that`s bogus too, at least there`s something we agree on :|
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    "Tell me one good quality Mexico represents?

    None? Okay good."

    Two Words. Tacos, Burritos. I love Mexican food, and without Mexicans, I`d never have a taco. Thank you Mexico!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    I say, just force every single illegal alien to pay income taxes, then they can stay.
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    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    @ auburnjunky
    Ew dude. Just freaking ew. What a d*ck move to say that. Blah. That`s what i say. MER!!
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    @npdarren

    To tell you the truth, I don`t know the specifics of adults under the discretion of the school. Considering that the court case linked earlier was in 2007 I would guess those cases are in some undecided middle ground until they go to court. I suggest you pull a stupid stunt at school and find out.

    But I can tell you these kids were minors.
  177. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    "If there are 1,000,000 illegals in a state, and 100,000 of them were committing crimes, that`s 10% crime from illegals.

    If the illegal population rose to 10,000,000 but the same 100,000 illegals were committing crimes, the crime rate goes down to 1%, but there`s JUST AS MUCH CRIME!"

    No, thats less crime per capita.
  178. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    @ auburnjunky
    And by the way friend. You`re making up numbers. So yeah
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    @goaliejerry:

    Conceded. God I love a good burrito.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    @duffers:

    I know. That was an example.

    I had to make the math easy for myself lol.
  181. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:10 pm
    @ auburnjunky
    well okie dokie. lol. I`m just saying that ALL of this is based on race. It all is. Whether it be this vid or the entire state of Arizona, it`s all based on race. That`s what the suits look at because they are trying to stay in office and the people that elected them focus more on race than anything else. Yes, that is my opinion but more often than not in this country it is fact. It`s a sad fact really.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 6, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    @duffers:

    "I`m just saying that ALL of this is based on race."

    No actually it`d based on immigrant status.

    Do you think an illegal Russian immigrant would get off for not being Hispanic?
  183. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    I don`t know about any of you other peeps, but i`ve gotta get some sleep. But i will say that i love that all of you have been engaging in this conversation. Conversation=Contentment=Equality.
  184. Profile photo of Duffers
    Duffers Male 18-29
    43 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    "Do you think an illegal Russian immigrant would get off for not being Hispanic?"
    Yes. As a matter of fact i do. Because it`s fact good sir.
  185. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    @duffers:

    Well poppycock.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Who pays for the Latino`s free education? Our tax dollars do. What country are they in? Ours. Are they here legally? No. If they were, they would have more respect for us and our country. Are they ungrateful, demanding, little invadors? Yes they are.
  187. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    One day I`m gonna flip the script and argue from a liberal point of view, just to see if it`s more fun.

    It seems like it would be easier, and harder at the same time.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    I do believe hell has finally frozen over. The American flag is now considered racist, WTF ??!!!

    This is THE dumbest school principal I`ve read about all year.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    Just move along crakrjak. Nothing to see here.

    You WILL blow a gasket.
  190. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    @patticakes

    You are a racist piece of sh*t. These are Americans. How simple of you to just point your finger at "brown" people and condemn. I went to that school and I live in Morgan Hill and how f*cking dare you point at Americans and say such horrible things. It must be nice to have a "them" to point to in your simple, ignorant, black and white world.
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    Davek1013 Male 18-29
    90 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    Its a safe bet that come 4th of July Some kids will be sporting Mexico colors. Unless they already did and was a retaliation. Ahh.. Why cant we all just get along?
  192. Profile photo of Nicolicious
    Nicolicious Female 18-29
    58 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    Here`s the rub- ALL the kids at that school are Americans, utilizing the American school system. If those boys walked in wearing shirts with swastikas it would be one thing, but the fact that two out of three of them are of hispanic descent rules out the possibility that they might be racist.

    People emigrate to this country because they love America and want the American dream. Celebrating that isn`t racist.
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
    291 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    I think the actions of the school were way beyond their limits, I don`t think the students should have been asked to leave school for wearing what they did, should the students wearing Mexican flags be asked to leave?, no but they are living here and living off of our government system. If the students were making racist remarks or harassing people in any way then yes they should be sent home FOR HARASSMENT but not for their choice in clothing. It should be the trouble makers starting the fight not the one displaying his love for America. Here is what I think about people displaying the Mexican flag, it represents a country, if you are so proud of that country, then go live there! I mean it IS that simple. Cinco de Mayo is the celebration of a Mexican military victory over the french, ergo it is a celebration of the country of Mexico, and as I said earlier, if you love Mexico so much THAN MOVE THERE! Don`t move here and try and push your language and customs on us.
  194. Profile photo of Crucible
    Crucible Male 18-29
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    May 6, 2010 at 10:17 pm
    Well, a group of friends shows up wearing American colours on Cinco de Mayo. Obviously trying to start something, but you`re only starting something if the other people fall for it.
    Everyone is stupid and everything is terrible.
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
    291 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    Another thing is, I am a first generation American, my Dad was born in Holland and when he was 6-years old he moved here with his family LEGALLY because his Dad found a job with Pillsbury. My Dad is also still a Citizen in Holland and has a Permanent resident card, yet I have never once seen him wave a Hollandish flag or claim that his way of life or his heritage has been marred. However, especially in the south, there are always people waving Mexican flags and yelling that their heritage is being ruined. His family moved here so that they could live better and they did that by getting work visas and paying into the system. Which is what immigrants should do, BUT A LOT OF THEM DONT.
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    rmn_91 Male 13-17
    12 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 11:07 pm
    5 de mayo is not even a mexican holiday
    there are no celebrations in mexico for it!
    It just escaladed into something big in the states because they needed a reason to half sales at the malls
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    May 6, 2010 at 11:30 pm
    Patticakes: Is it possible to have a civilized discussion? If me and auburnjunky could then you certainly can. Youre already on the attack and you have no reason to be. Btw. Thank you auburnjunky for flipping the tone and talking about our perspectives. Also to duffers, feeltheride,tsuroyu and others who were able to discuss this rationally.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 12:01 am
    Oh ElMustache; I`m so glad we can have mutual respect for each other! Especially when discussing such a heated topic. It`s because we are awesome.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 12:40 am
    Feeltheride: Very much so! *High five* =D
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    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 7:02 am
    Some of you are making it out like all they did was wear their flag. That is not all they did. They covered themselves in as many flags as possible to make a controversial statement that legitimately insulted some individuals. Whether or not they should have been sent home for that is another thing, but don`t make it out like they got dressed normally that day.
  201. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 7:02 am
    Get your story straight. And as far as your "immigartion problem" its like this, people come here to work. If there are no jobs, then theres no reason to come.

    Free use of our hospitals, free social security, second hand use of discarded materials, and increase general quality of life are some of the reasons you over looked.

    You want to blame hard working, under paid people when you really should be blaming the employers who under cut wages to keep profits high.

    I said our government is as much to blame as the illegal immigrants. You are right, employers fall into the blame arena as well. I never said it was only the illegal immigrants fault, but they must also be held accountable for breaking the law.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 7:13 am
    @Tsuroyu

    I am not generalizing about a whole race of people, I am generalizing about specifically the illegal immigrants. Hispanics who come here legally and choose to assimilate are not a problem. I know you`re just dying to discredit the opposition by calling it racist but no, I`m not. I work with Hispanic kids, never watch Fox news unless it`s a clip on how they f***ed up a story, and I dislike the right far more than I dislike the left.

    the point of a protest is to be provocative.

    That might be the lamest excuse for them holding Mexican flags during a protest in which they were voicing their desire to stay in the United States. If the point was to be provocative then why did they ditch their Mexican flags and switch to American flags within a week? Why choose to be less provocative?
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    weekeewaka Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 7:25 am
    so... Mexican students were pissed? Its a Spanish holiday not Mexican lol.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 7:32 am
    Its May 7th already people, get over it
  205. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 7:36 am
    Its May 7th already people, get over it

    This was just posted last night, Angel. These forums sometimes last till the post is three pages back, and this one isn`t halfway down the page yet. What`s your rush to end the argument?
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    BipolarBearr Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 9:13 am
    Call me an ass but I`d do the same thing these kids did. I can deck myself out in stars and stripes on Cinco De Mayo if I want. We ARE in America its not like they wore "F**K MEXICO" clothes. if it really offended them then why do they live under the same flag the kid had on his shorts?
  207. Profile photo of MichaelBored
    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 9:25 am
    First of all:

    @weekeewaka - Cinco de Mayo is a holiday that commemorates the Mexican army`s victory over the French at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862. It`s not a Spanish holiday.

    @rmn 91: Cinco de Mayo, while primarily celebrated by Mexicans in the US, is also celebrated in Puebla. Puebla is a state in Mexico.

    Second: The school overreacted and should not have puinished the boys.

    Third: The boys were acting like non-nice individuals, purposely trying to piss people off because they don`t think much of another race`s holiday. While that`s not a reason to punish them or send them home, it still makes them non-nice individuals.
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    Link364 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 9:27 am
    lmao!!! im sorry but... lmao
  209. Profile photo of Thorgrimmer
    Thorgrimmer Male 18-29
    180 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 9:30 am
    Wearing an American flag is disrespectful to the flag.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Yes thor. Wearing an ACTUAL American flag is disrespectful, if it is worn as clothing.

    Wearing a picture of an American flag is okay.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 10:30 am
    If your offended by the U.S.A`s flag you probably shouldn`t live in the U.S.A.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Well, that just seems retarded. Sent home for wearing an American flag on an American holiday? That`s like kids back in Ireland getting sent home for wearing an Irish flag on St Paddy`s day. WTF?
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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    Im with you Mcgovern. you gotta problem with my flags colors.. .get the f*ck out.. I dont want you here. even though you have good food and i have a corn on the cobb guy that comes down my street
  214. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    "They covered themselves in as many flags as possible to make a controversial statement that legitimately insulted some individuals."

    Even so...freedom of speech
  215. Profile photo of strickt
    strickt Male 18-29
    73 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Cinco de Mayo isn`t even celebrated in the majority of Mexico, its an American created holiday... So wearing the American flag on a holiday that was created by Americans doesn`t seem so bad to me.

    And if you think its wrong for them to wear it because it may cause a fight or a distraction that`s not there fault, its the person that is taking it so ridiculously personals fault. Most of you have this poo backwards... Don`t punish the kids that are supporting there country punish the people that are going to cause a problem with the people supporting there country.
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    The stupid is strong in this thread....

    Really, if you don`t know anything about the history of Cinco de Mayo, and what it meant to BOTH Mexico and the U.S., then you should:

    A) STFU,

    B) crack a book, and

    C) maybe not try to go out of your way to piss on someone else`s parade just because you can. Yes, freedom of speech gives you the right to be an @$$#0!&, but you`re still being an @$$#0!&.

    Also, and not for nothing: "There," "They`re" and "Their" are all 3 different words with 3 different meanings. Learn them.
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    HerColdHands Female 18-29
    471 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    I could see that, I suppose. At my school, even if it`s a color as simple as white or black, if everyone in your group is wearing that same color, they can punish you.
    The bandanna alone would`ve gotten you in-school suspension. :/
    Possible gang activity and no tolerance stuff?
  218. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    so on cinco de mayo these idiots chose to show their racist ideals....

    I dont agree that they should have been sent home but these kids were trying to start trouble. they are stupid teenagers that think they know something when in fact like ALL teens they are just moronic idiots.

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    yes we all have freedom of speech and I pray we always will

    but still

    try not to use it, and disrexpect all the bllod spilled to earn it, by being a jackhole for no other reason then to be a jackhole like these teens.
  220. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    It wasn`t that long ago that "real Americans" would have screamed bloody murder over any clothing that had the image of the U.S. flag on it -

    as a case of desecrating the flag. It was considered disrespectful. Now, the more "patriotic" someone is in the U.S., the more they trivialize and cheapen the flag.
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    KMeatPiLover Female 18-29
    129 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    I don`t think they should have been sent home, but I have a feeling that their reasons for wearing American flags specifically during Cinco De Mayo where motivated by a "This is America, speak
    English" mentality.
  222. Profile photo of DJEnduro
    DJEnduro Male 18-29
    10 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    1. May 5th is not a major Mexican Holiday. It is primarily celebrated in the town of Pueblo because it is the day they defeated a french invasion in THAT TOWN. 1862 is the year I think. I could be wrong, but I`m not gonna wiki anything right now.

    2. The French invaded because they were delinquent on debts.

    3. Mexican Independence day is May 1st.

    4. All that`s irrelevant any way. They`re kids, let `em start trouble. If they smarten up, they`ll become productive Americans. If they don`t, probably not. Same goes for all races, though. Why can`t we treat people as PEOPLE?!
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    DJEnduro Male 18-29
    10 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    Puebla, my apologies. I`m sleepy.
  224. Profile photo of DJEnduro
    DJEnduro Male 18-29
    10 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    ...and it`s Sept. 16th, not May 1st. My brain`s failing today.
  225. Profile photo of Shokz
    Shokz Male 18-29
    117 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    Wait... So i just Wiki`d Cinco de Mayo and i don`t get why wearing something with the Amercan flag on it would be any sort of problem at all... It`s like wearing a Swedish flag on St Patrick`s day, it`s simply not relevent... Or am i missing something?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    @shokz:

    Don`t you dare wear a Swedish flag on St. Patty`s day.

    What are you thinking!
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    dontcare91 Male 13-17
    65 posts
    May 7, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    at least the school accepted their mistakes and no trouble was caused.

    thats a rarity now a days.
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    astrogirl Female 18-29
    169 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 1:03 am
    Maybe they`re just being sent home for poor fashion sense
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 8:59 am
    Btw, The Principals apologized to the students and vowed not to make the same mistake again.
  230. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    Anglion - no state is required to have an official language, and it would entirely constitutional for a state to elect to have Spanish be its official language, if its government wanted to. Maybe not likely or practical, but possible.

    In what way is that relevant to my point, let alone countering it?
  231. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Look at the language you are using. Mexican rule. Like if there are enough Mexican Americans here they toss out the constitution and start ruling the land with their own laws. You biased language is absurd.

    You`re making something up, saying it`s mine and saying it`s absurd.

    Either you`re not competent enough with English to understand my post (which is fair enough if it isn`t your main language) or you`re just badmouthing me because you know you don`t have a leg to stand on.

    Guess what, that is fine, because they are American...

    When I explicitly labelled the most important part of my post as being the most important part of my post, I thought other people might realise that it was the most important part of my post.

    Obviously not.

    In what way are people WHO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS AMERICAN SECOND IF AT ALL American?

    If you can`t understand my post, find someone who can to explain it to you.
  232. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    Well then it`s quite different at your school. The kids aren`t racist for wearing a flag. They`re racist for their motivation for wearing the flag.

    People have suffered because of racism. People have *died* because of racism.

    And you see it as a convenient tool to silence dissent on the issue of *nationality*, in a context that is explicitly *not* about "race".

    Why are you not too ashamed to stoop so low?
  233. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Third: The boys were acting like non-nice individuals, purposely trying to piss people off because they don`t think much of another race`s holiday. While that`s not a reason to punish them or send them home, it still makes them non-nice individuals.

    You`re talking about race.

    They`re talking about nationality.

    Not the same thing.

    If millions of German people came to England, spoke German first or only, *remained German in their own minds*, formed German advocacy groups and German political lobbies to increase German power in England, had German TV channels, instituted German *national* holidays as national holidays in the UK, etc, etc, it would be the same thing.

    Actually, they already have.

    When they invaded part of Britain in the 5th century and renamed it after themselves.



    Nationality is not race. There`s no such thing as race.
  234. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Clarification:

    It wasn`t millions of invaders in the 5th century, because the population was far lower and it didn`t take millions. It would take millions to have the same effect today.
  235. Profile photo of trippyhippy9
    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
    559 posts
    May 8, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

    US Flag Code
  236. Profile photo of 520
    520 Male 13-17
    432 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 1:53 am
    Since when was John Gosselin a news reporter?
  237. Profile photo of Neagle
    Neagle Male 30-39
    1407 posts
    May 9, 2010 at 11:34 am
    trippyhippy9 artistic depiction of the American flag such as its representation on a t-shirt or represented on other items is not covered under the code. If the actual flag was used as say a toga, that would be a violation. It is irrelevant since the code is not law but, only regulation. Now it would be a lot more interesting if they were wearing "Don`t treed on me" t-shirts but, these students have every right express their pride in their nation on any day.
  238. Profile photo of TheMons
    TheMons Male 40-49
    1 post
    May 9, 2010 at 10:18 pm
    I don`t think the main reason these students were asked to remove their shirts has to do with the American Flag, t`s a matter of the students attempting to create a confrontation with the Latino students. They are using the American flag to generate divisiveness rather than unity.
  239. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    May 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    The flag itself is not being worn as apparel. The Apparel has an American Flag print.

    Furthermore, if Latino students really have such a problem with anyone showing pride in this nation, they really need to reassess the reasons they`re here.
  240. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    May 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Cinco de Mayo is an American holiday, not a Mexican holiday. The Fifth of May is the day the Mexicans went to war, not the day they won it.

    Do your research, the Mexicans don`t celebrate it.
  241. Profile photo of MayjorPain
    MayjorPain Male 18-29
    12 posts
    August 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    I`m a Mexican-American, but I find that pooty school`s decision offensive. The citizens of a country can be allowed to wear their country`s flag on their clothing on THEIR OWN SOIL!

    I`m also an American patriot, and I`m glad I live in the US instead of Mexico, which is a sh*t country.

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