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  1. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2010 at 10:52 pm
    Link: Scientists Create a Living Organism - This is big. Is this the start of the endgame for Science>Religion? Did God just get bitch-slapped? Discuss in forum...
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:42 am
    It just means there is now a new god. I think the total is now roughly 3301.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:43 am
    Its one step closer for humans to become one of THEM
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    cdubb4201 Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:43 am
    Scary poo.
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    xxxveganxxx Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:47 am
    I hate how some religious people are so closed minded that they won`t accept scientists making living organisms...
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:50 am
    It`s not technically life from non-living materials. The DNA from an existing life form was removed and replaced with manufactured DNA. There are interesting applications, however. Cool link.
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    xXKaryXx Female 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:52 am
    um...ok...not weird...
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:52 am
    Only a matter of time until they make a super virus that kills us all.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 7:54 am
    All they did was sequence a small strand of DNA using another bacterium as a guide. They didn`t create it all from scratch, It`s an advancement but hardly a `game changer`.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:06 am
    "This is a step towards ... creation of living beings with capacities and natures that could never have naturally evolved."

    Well, that sounds like exactly what we need! More funding!
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:08 am
    Wow... just wow. The religious are sure to attack this to no end.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:08 am
    Why should anyone religious attack this?
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:14 am
    Why should anyone do anything? But the fact is that if scientists can create life... well... that sort of threatens religion. Who knows what they will be able to do in a few years... like SunnyNphilly said, "Only a matter of time until they make a super virus that kills us all."
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:17 am
    nice, loving all the scientific advances happening in my lifetime, it is incredible!

    i hasten to add however, this isnt exactly what one might be led to beleive... this is more manipulation than creation no? it doesnt really add any colour to the idea of the first cause though, or how things started off (when there were no science labs) it`s just a really neat trick.

    what comes next though? that`s the exciting part. stay tuned!!!!
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:19 am
    How does a scientist making life threaten religion?

    It took a team of highly intelligent scientists and a state-of-the-art man-made computer 15 years to create something that sort of resembles artificial life. If anything, I`d say this article would be more useful in "proving" intelligent design rather than the other way around.
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    green_btrfly Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:21 am
    I can see the rligious people`s fears, that the scientists are trying to play God...etc. I personally thought to myself "yeah they can create living things now, but if they were to create something like a human or animal... will that thing have a soul?? Im not christian, but I am spiritual, and I don`t mean that as ana ttacj but as an actual question. I mean there will be some sort of difference between natural and man made organisms to be sure. :)
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    Puddingbrood Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:30 am
    @CrakrJak:
    You don`t understand how important this is. The DNA has all the characteristics of a living being. Being able to change that they can create bacteria with the exact characteristics they want. For example for fuel and vaccins.
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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:38 am
    oh come on, "Did God just get bitch-slapped?"

    really?
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    vicious_liar Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:43 am
    Green_btrfly: the organisms they are talking about now are bacteria. Animals, let alone humans, are infinitely more complex than that. It will take `some` time before they can make any life like animal.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:52 am
    The thing is... only god is supposed to be able to create life in most religions. If man is able to, and able to explain how it happens, that could threaten all those religions. And a lot of people don`t believe in intelligent design. I`m not talking about just one religion here.

    And as a counter point to "well it proves life is hard to make." Well... we knew that. We also know that space is (to quote Douglas Adams) really, really big like seriously you won`t believe how big it is. And the possibilities of life existing are endless, so therefore it is only natural that life should spring up on its own accord eventually.
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:55 am
    I`m religious and I`m not afraid of this. Seriously, stop with this whole anti-Christian thing. It gets annoying.
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    BBQ Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:56 am
    @ ForAllThSin
    I know, title sucks.
    It should`ve been "God just got bitch-slapped"
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    areeves Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:56 am
    wow "Did God just get bitch slapped"

    are you just trying to insult people drat off IAB
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:56 am
    only god is supposed to be able to create life in most religions.
    Many religious people believe that it would be an abomination for man to create life, but that doesn`t mean that man is UNABLE to create life. Those are two different things.

    I still fail to see how anything you`ve said or what the scientists in the article have done threatens religion.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Well... maybe it`s not your religion that`s being threatened. I`m not saying you HAVE to feel threatened, I`m saying that many people will feel that way.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:59 am
    Why? Give me a good reason why anyone should feel their religion is disproven by these scientists` findings?
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:01 am
    Where does religion even come into this? It doesn`t. This is scientific break-through, it`s not intended to diminish your "gods". We have so much to learn as a species yet everyone wants to retard that journey with fear mongering and alter-boy hand jobs. It is what it is!
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:02 am
    I`m not saying they SHOULD. I`m saying some people WILL be.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:04 am
    *shrugs* fair enough I guess.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:04 am
    funny how this one said "did God get bitch slaped" but the artical said "scientists said they did not create it from scratch" anyone else find that funny
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:07 am
    This is scientific break-through, it`s not intended to diminish your "gods".
    I agree, but you should tell that to the writer of the caption. :P
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:14 am
    ...really? We just created life and everyone blows up? Do you think they were attacking your religion? If we weren`t supposed to create life women wouldn`t be able to give birth. Just because there`s no porn as a history to these cells does not mean this is the end of religion or belief in god in any form. People will still seek that. And, as a person who has had a religious upbringing and believes there is a god in some sense I am not ashamed to say that if a homunculus was created I would treat it as if it were any other human.

    /end rant.
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:16 am
    No pics? faillll
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    jakflak Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:26 am
    They did NOT create life. They created a protein strain and injected it into a living cell, then said "Look it didn`t die so we created life!" It`s the equivalent of saying you built a car from scratch because you put a CD in the stereo of the car you just bought.
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    keg74 Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:27 am
    One more step towards man kinds immortality. I wish I could be around to see it to fruition.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:33 am
    @jakflak well... I think it`s a wee bit more impressive than that.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:35 am
    This is simply incredible...in a manner that sends ominous shivers up my spine. o_O
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:37 am
    This really isn`t THE event. Not yet. This is just the start of a whole new branch of science that will focus on creating life... which is just amazing...
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    fishyboy Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
    *puts on professional biologist hat*

    *realises he is on I-A-B*

    *takes hat off*

    *goes to watch water-balloon video again*
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    moscoworbust Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:40 am
    one step closer to a mutant sex slave, mwah ha ha ha.....
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    Kadinsky Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:46 am
    This is the single most awesome thing that ever happened anywhere, ... for sure! I`m so glad I`m alive during this age! I wonder when they start making use of this tech for porn?
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    Thorna_Kate Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:48 am
    I`m quite sure they`ve been able to build `life` for a while... Someone worked out that you could build a virus if you worked out what it was made up of and then combine them in a certain quantity in a set way... I mean if this wasn`t possible biological warfare wouldn`t be possible... But still, any progess is good.

    ALSO God has nothing to do with this debate really, if at all. Bah.
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    nunki Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:50 am
    More scary than this is what they have already done to our food chain by playing around with gene sequences. A great deal of the food we eat is already being genetically engineered by corporations and they own the copyright on those gene sequences, making it impossible for many farmers to be autonomous because they have to pay each growing season to use the new "model" of corn (or whatever they`re growing) for the year. Even farmers that choose to use their own seed instead of genetically engineered seeds get sued for copyright infringement by the biotechnology firms if the wind blows any genetically engineered seed or pollen onto their field and mixes with the rest of their crop. Even if farmers try to sue biotech firms for trespassing (or contamination by the genetically engineered seed) they get counter-sued for copyright infringement and get run out of business. So, essentially, agriculture is beig slowly monopolized by the biotech firm. This is where playing with genes g
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    janejane Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:51 am
    If I read it correctly, they "injected DNA". Great, so to "make life" they need DNA to start with. Have you any idea how complex DNA is? And they use this as the starting point? This is like putting a badge on a laptop and saying "we`ve made a laptop".
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    nunki Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:52 am
    *this is where playing around with genes gets scary!*


    Sorry, he last line got cut off in the last post
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:08 am
    ""This is a step towards ... creation of living beings with capacities and natures that could never have naturally evolved.""

    I would guess that if this stays the course and they finally make a full synthetic being a lot of controversy will arise. Does it get the same rights as natural-born, does it get to vote, does it get to marry, is it allowed to reproduce if it all goes down a human path.

    Plus you need to be insanely careful about exposing it to the preexisting ecosystem, is it too strong, too weak, will it unbalance things if left unsupervised?
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:10 am
    This is an important step but it is NOT the creation of life from scratch.

    Take a pile of chemicals , put them together and make a living organism without taking material from an existing organism or "packaging" using part of an existing organism and you have created life (using chemicals).

    Write a piece of software which is self aware and intelligent and you have also created life.
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    YoSoyNoob Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:12 am
    I`m not sure how this would have any affect on my religious beliefs. If anything the more I learn about how life is created and the universe the more I believe in God. There is so much detail; to me it shows how much work was put into the universe. Agree or disagree this is my opinion and I would prefer it if IAB would stop trying to piss off their loyal following.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:23 am
    Well that is quite interesting. I am glad we have finally made such an amazing breakthrough. Hopefully with this new find we could possibly find different ways to cure people with life threatening diseases. (helping to rebuild their cells, different organs, etc). So woo.
  50. Profile photo of TxTnViolence
    TxTnViolence Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:24 am
    You mean "I would prefer not to be challenged for my beliefs. Everyone thinks my way so to offend me is to offend everyone"
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:28 am
    Agreed with thorna_kate. Someone tried arguing with me earlier.

    Person: "So it`s not alive"
    Me: "Why is it not alive?"
    P: Because it has no soul.
    Me: 1) Why would it have a soul? 2) Why doesn`t this it now?
    P: Well a soul is god`s thing, this is ... you know.
    Me: WTF?
    P: It`s all sciency, it wasn`t grown in a womb.
    Me: Bacteria don`t usually grow in a womb.
    P: you know what I mean.
    Me: I genuinely don`t have a clue.
    P: Well it`s just what I believe.
    Me: That`s lovely, but what exactly is it you believe?
    P: Souls.
    Me: That viruses have souls?
    P: Yes.
    Me: But this one doesn`t?
    P: Yes.
    Me: Ok, because....
    P: It`s made in a lab.
    Me: So if a sperm is put in an egg in a lab, the resulting person has no soul?
    P: No!
    (Much circling continues).

    Summary: There is no difference between God`s immediate actions when you mix penis/vagina, and when you mix chems.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:31 am
    This doesn`t disprove god or anything-it just removes another item that is supposedly from his realm-it just seems that science keeps giving him less and less to do..........
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    YoSoyNoob Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:42 am
    TxTnViolenc- "You mean "I would prefer not to be challenged for my beliefs. Everyone thinks my way so to offend me is to offend everyone""

    Maybe I should have been clearer. The caption reads "Did God just get bitch-slapped?" This is what makes me mad. Trying to start a fight where one would not have been to begin with. The article itself is perfectly fine by me. I really thought that I made it clear that I was ok with the link. However, you took one thing I said and twisted it to make it look like I was upset because my beliefs were challenged. If you agree or disagree with what I had to say I am fine with that. I just stated my opinion, without attacking anybody. Then you attack me because you feel like I don`t like it because you don`t agree to me. However it seems you have attack me because YOU don`t agree with what I had to say.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:42 am
    TxTn: I`m fairly sure she said no such thing any more than you just said "You made a reasonable point so I`ll replace it on your behalf with an unreasonable one".

    She is a loyal IABer, this has very little to do with the God debate, there`s very little reason to have any of the title text except self promotion and evangelizing.

    The title does not in any way challenge anyone`s beliefs. It is not an argument. It also drats science and human progress over big time. Allow me to demonstrate:

    "Look what science did"
    99 % of Theists: "Cool".

    "Look what theists did. (Also drat Theists)"
    33% of Theists: "drat you"
    33% of Theists: "drat Science"
    33% of Theists: "Still cool"

    See what being a dick has done? You have turned ~65% of the human population away from science to be a preachy ****, all the while lamenting the under use of Science.

    Stoppit.
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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:48 am
    thats really cool, and im all for discovery but can we hold on for a while until we release the hydrocarbon producing algae? it seems like every time we release a modified organism into the wild things get a little outta hand :/
    and i dont know about all of them so to cite two just for davymid, lovebugs and...well that type of ivy i simply cannot seem to think of at the moment, we have lots of issues with it here in the south and it is quite troublesome :(
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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:53 am
    guys keep in mind that the mods often change the caption when you submit something, so dont throw it all on her for adding it :P
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    PermaFrost Female 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 10:58 am
    It doesn`t really prove/disprove "God" at all. We just figured out how it works. Kind of like when you`re a kid and you discover the secret to a magic trick. They magician doesn`t cease to exist. You just have an understanding now of how it`s done. And, what`s the first thing you do when you find out? Recreate it for yourself.
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    ledouxrt Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:04 am
    So when can we expect to see customized pets that don`t pee or poop?
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    mattocho Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:29 am
    I think it`s important to note one thing, i don`t know if it`s in the article or not, but pay attention to this!!

    only the dna on the cell is synthetic !!!! they created the dna strands, by reading a know sequence and eliminating unnecessary genes, or genes they thought would cause no problems if removed, then they synthesized this new strand of DNA and simply "pasted" it onto a living cell. ONLY THE DNA IS SYNTHETIC... although it still is a spectacular breakthrough =)
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    CrzyWhtGrl Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Soon to IAB... ordinary man & woman with no formal education about science create a living organism in only nine short months!!! (photos and videos included) Much more interesting article...
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:41 am
    Just as long as we don`t make our creations sentient, I`m cool with it. If we give our creations self-awareness, it`s all over. (see The Matrix, Terminator, etc.)
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:42 am
    so...is this how god did it?
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    martinikene Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:49 am
    I wonder why so many zombie movies and such ran through my head.
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    wellsy57 Male 50-59
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    Is this how the Jem H`Dar were created?
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    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    CAN WE MAKE DINOSAURS YET?!?!
    JURASSIC PARK!!!!
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    Skythe Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    Holy poo.
    Like, for real..
    Holy poo, man.
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    TDND Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Well Here comes the Zombie warz.
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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    now this is exciting. now what i want to see next is a crossover between nano-bots and these technologies.


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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    As far as I can tell by reading the article they didn`t actually create life but reanimated it. They extracted the DNA from a cell, synthesized the DNA and injected the DNAless cell with it. The cell accepted the synthesized DNA as its own and split like it normally would.
    More like playing Frankenstein than playing God.
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    netro Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    ZOMBIES!!!!!
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    monsterzero

    you need to reread the article. they used chemcials...not actual DNA or other structures to create DNA, from stractch...thus creating life. there are more extesive articles on this that will help you understand that they did indeed create artifical life.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    I love how some people are saying "only the DNA is sytnh"

    umm yea DNA is LIFE people, it is the essence of life, the building block of life, period.

    creating a DNA stranfd from the ground up that works is damn near impossible and up until this was consider something that could not be done.

    I love hwo the psuedo-scientist here, AKA KNOW IT ALLS, are trying to act like

    A. they understand this poo
    B. To them this poo is not that big a deal

    get over yourself and get outta yer mom`s basement!
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    Hemtroll Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    So how many months until the robot zombie hedgehog apocalypse?
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    monsterzero: The problem is that in order for the DNA to be expressed, there need to be certain proteins already in place. Basically, the DNA would be useless without introducing it to already existing proteins. I don`t believe we have the capability to create those proteins artificially yet, as they are highly complex, but this is still a big step towards the ability to create life. This shows that we have the capability of controlling DNA, which means that we can, at least, tweak simple organisms and zygotes.
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    cousinrayray Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    weellll, technically, they created something using components that might have been created by God
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    cousinrayray Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    so did they just use PCR to "synthesize" DNA form scratch? If so these guys just have the best publicists, nothing more
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    @cousinrayray

    "weellll, technically, they created something using components that might have been created by God"

    Bingo.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    The fact that people are afraid that Synthia could escape into the wild just shows how powerful the media is.

    This idea has almost certainly spawned from countless science-fiction books, games and films where stupid and careless scientists accidentally knock over a petri-dish, unleashing the alien life-form /killer virus/ tapdancing penguin etc. It then crawls/dances through the maximum security door which is already open for some reason and wreaks havoc by killing people/dancing.

    Thing is, this would NEVER happen in real life. The amount of security in the lab is immense and scientists are extraordinarily careful when handling Synthia. And even if by some miracle it DID escape, it`d only wither and die.

    So it`s completely harmless, no need to worry about it escaping. Contrary to what Hollywood says, Synthia ISN`T an immediate threat to you. Of course, whether you agree with synthetic life is another matter entirely...
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    We`re now on the road towards the Kwisatz Haderach.

    You must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 25, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    It`s not technically life from non-living materials. - bigfatdynamo
    This is true, just starting reading all the responses, but I totally agree that this is just taking `bits` and putting them together again, inside an already-alive shell. Easy-peasy!
    It DOES have endless possibilities, and is a big step on the path to actually, you know, making new life forms. They actually did this before, but I guess they need some money/publicity, lolz!

    Anyhow, until we: #1 make our own, brand-new DNA sequences and #2 grow them from scratch:
    All we`ve done is tinker with God`s creation, not create anything alive on our own.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    @Cousinrayray yea... but the awesome thing is that this creation was lifeless and humans brought it to life, it doesn`t have a mother! That`s pretty amazing.
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    And so the virus for the zombie apocalypse was born.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    If I read it correctly, they "injected DNA". Great, so to "make life" they need DNA to start with.

    Which they made, from scratch. That`s the big deal here. The DNA they used started as 4 jars of chemicals and some instructions in a computer.

    Have you any idea how complex DNA is?

    It`s very simple. There are only 4 building blocks and they only fit together in certain ways. The complexity is in the number of genes and the interaction between them. That`s not so bad with bacteria. They`re very simple organisms.

    This is like putting a badge on a laptop and saying "we`ve made a laptop".

    It`s far more than that. It`s closer to writing a new operating system and installing it on an existing computer.

    But it isn`t creating new life. It`s a complete changing of programming for existing life. That`s still radical, but it`s not the same thing.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    jamie76:

    DNA is not life. DNA is means for making the construction plans for life. Different thing entirely.

    When they created the DNA, it was not alive. It was just a chain of DNA (which is itself just a few chemicals) doing nothing.

    What you`re doing is akin to confusing the tools that an architect uses to create a blueprint with a building.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    So it`s completely harmless, no need to worry about it escaping. Contrary to what Hollywood says, Synthia ISN`T an immediate threat to you. Of course, whether you agree with synthetic life is another matter entirely...

    Venter takes the risks far more seriously than you do.

    There are risks with this technology. Massive risks. Huge, eco-system threatening, extinction event scale risks.

    It`s an extremely powerful technology. It`s simply wrong to portray it as risk-free.

    Even if, somehow, no mistake is ever made and nothing is ever released into the wild that has unforeseen effects (and how likely is that, really?), this technology brings a new risk - the results are alive and can therefore evolve, i.e. change into something not planned for.

    It also offers immense potential for benefitting humanity. Anything powerful is usually a two-edged sword.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    God
    200,000 B.C. - 2010
    R.I.P.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    green_batman:

    It appears that it isn`t that far off. A functioning artificial ribosome has been made and that`s a really big part of doing it all from scratch.
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    GHudston Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    I`m less concerned with the science vs religion debate and more with the startling amount of people that have appeared on the news trying to spread fear that this is somehow dangerous.

    Please don`t let this be another "GM Foods" situation where a potential life saving technology is all but ruined by people who are scared of something they don`t understand...
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    GHudston Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    "the results are alive and can therefore evolve, i.e. change into something not planned for."

    Surely that applies to all existing organisms too?

    I`m not arguing with you, and care MUST be taken with this new technology or it could be incredibly dangerous. But the same could be said of most technology and surely the benefits far outweigh the risks here?
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Awe, here I was all excited, saying they made life from scratch, and it turns out they just made their own DNA and put it into a host bacterium.

    They didn`t create life, they GM`d bacteria.

    Why? Was it to prove we evolved? Was it to prove the non-existence of God? Was it to change the world on a theological level?

    Nope, it`s to make algea-based fuel. Fail.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Surely that applies to all existing organisms too?

    Yes, but the scope is greater when it starts as something made by humans to do something that does not naturally occur. It`s removing part of the checks and balances and I`m concerned that people might not always have enough knowledge and wisdom to do so safely. Quite apart from the people who would do it deliberately, because there will be some when it becomes more widely possible.

    I`m not arguing with you, and care MUST be taken with this new technology or it could be incredibly dangerous. But the same could be said of most technology and surely the benefits far outweigh the risks here?

    Far? I`m not sure. The risks are far greater than other technologies for the same reason the potential benefits are - the power of the technology.

    I think we should go with it, but very cautiously. This is very high stakes stuff.

    I think we broadly agree but maybe differ a
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    I`d like to resurrect the point nunki made regarding a risk not directly related to the technology.

    As they pointed out, copyrighting on GM plants is already being aggressively used to ruin farmers so that the companies owning the IP can gain more power and profit.

    This technology would extend that greatly and into far more aspects of our lives. Big businesses can already strongly influence governments. If the controlled your food, your drink, your fuel, your healthcare, the environment, etc, to the degree that this technology and copyright law makes possible, they would be able to effectively sideline governments.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    that was awesome!, they managed to tinker with some DNA and boot it up in a growing organism, this is kinda like making your own linux distro and putting it in a generic laptop. It`s the OS that makes the laptop alive, everything else can be manufactured.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Wait, so does this mean that we are now god? Hmm, that would mean creationists can`t be right... dang.
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    xXamwxxXx Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    This is one step closer to Jurassic Park happening!
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    With the religious argument... it`s not going to end, give it up.

    Personally I believe there`s some kind of force out there. Be it a white-bearded man or a scientific force, I don`t know.

    This is a major step forward, but we must be extremely careful.

    For instance, there is a lot of controversy that this man is going to try to patent this technology. Patenting the power to create life... is likely not a good thing.

    Be wary.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 5:41 pm
    I feel that the caption was written for no reason other than to spark a ridiculous religious debate.

    Also, there shouldn`t be copywrite laws on freaking PLANTS, thats assinine.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Amen GHudston! You said exactly what I`ve been thinking.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    Rawr @ the people calling this work easy-peasy -.-; This was a crazy labour-intensive project that had an entire team working on it. They weren`t proving that you could just guess at random alleles and somehow make a functioning strand of DNA. They had to base their building on what they know works. Gene sequences that they know encode for certain proteins and enzymes that are pivotal in bacterial function. What they were trying to do is build DNA from scratch. They accomplished it.
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    Slyguy056 Male 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    They`ve designed an organism, but not necessarily created life. The title of the article suggests that they created it all from scratch, but what they`ve really done is created a synthetic genome. All in all, this is DANG IMPRESSIVE. I am very interested to see where this goes. However, I don`t think this disproves creationism at all. If anything, it shows how God has designed man in his image. He made us creative and inventive! Like Him. Only not nearly as much :D
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    May 25, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    The irony of course is that the scientists "Created Life". The life in this case, did not create itself, it didn`t spontaneously spring into being, it was created by a creature that is orders of magnitude more sophisticated.

    Intelligent Design? Sure. Proof that God does not exist? Quite the contrary in my opinion.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    PZ Myers has some great insight on this subject, on his blog Pharyngula.Here andhere and lastly here
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    Mr_Chubbles Female 13-17
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    "It could evolve!"

    It took us two billion years to get past the whole "bacteria" thing. If anything dangerous happens, we can either pick it up and put it in a petri dish, or spray it with some Lysol before things get too out of hand.
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    brit2003 Female 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    I wonder how long before the government shuts this research down...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 25, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    "It could evolve!"

    It took us two billion years to get past the whole "bacteria" thing. If anything dangerous happens, we can either pick it up and put it in a petri dish, or spray it with some Lysol before things get too out of hand.

    It takes rather less than two billion years for bacteria to evolve into different bacteria.

    How do you plan to pick up all of a certain type of bacteria in the world and put it in a petri dish? If you have a way of doing so, please let WHO know, as they`d love to be able to stop so many diseases so completely.
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    Taipan Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    its not nice to fool with mother nature, it will back fire.
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    Calderis Male 18-29
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    May 25, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    Waiting for accidentally engineered super virus now.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    May 26, 2010 at 12:24 am
    fyi you could engineer a super virus in the when russia was the USSR. i can`t wait til they can clone your pets like in the 6th day! i miss my cheddar jack :(
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2010 at 4:36 am
    "How do you plan to pick up all of a certain type of bacteria in the world and put it in a petri dish?"
    With a very large magnifying glass and very small tweezers.
    Joking aside this is quite scary. I hope they remember to be responsible, who knows what this bacteria could evolve into.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    May 26, 2010 at 4:37 am
    Thanks for the links inaria. I think I finally understand what they did.

    Why the big deal with the god squad though? Scientists have always been able to create living organisms - they just need a lot of luck and a very drunk female.
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    PoonHat Male 18-29
    194 posts
    May 26, 2010 at 5:39 am
    lol@the comment section on that site.
    I`m still waiting for my genetically engineered super gerbils.
    Imagine the possibilities. With my brains,and their brains, and tiny nimble bodies, we could potentially accomplish the most insane heists ever.
    I would even knit them tiny ski masks.
    BRILLIANT
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    May 26, 2010 at 7:55 am
    And. . . I don`t give a crap.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    May 26, 2010 at 9:38 am
    No, it doesn`t disprove God, duh! You can`t prove or disprove God.

    What it does do is place another brick in the wall of our knowledge. This is an important brick, because it starts to fill a gap that is often pointed to by the religious as one of God`s dominion.

    God was the answer when people needed know why we are here, where we came from, how the world works, and what our future holds. But as we learn more, and understand the universe, God gets relegated to a smaller and smaller portion. His inerrant book is now referred to as metaphor and parable. Now that we no longer fear that book, we can now question this obviously unethical, immoral, petty, and childish God of the Desert.

    God now limited to guiding our hearts and minds, and that will disappear too as brain research makes wonderful discoveries.

    The only time God is given power anymore is by the scientifically illiterate who think they can actually argue evolution.
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    Jayno Male 18-29
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    May 26, 2010 at 10:03 am
    @Handsompod
    "Joking aside this is quite scary. I hope they remember to be responsible, who knows what this bacteria could evolve into."

    That`s a good joke on its own. We never know what evolution has in store for anything. That the beauty in it.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2010 at 12:56 am
    On the contrary Jayno, things evolve to suit the environment. We have temporarily stopped our own evolution because we change our enviroment to suit us. If you create an environment that requires no further change to make life perfect why change?
    Aww you made me go all serious then!
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    jamesrs Male 18-29
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    May 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    @NottaSpy you make a very good arguement. I wish more people were smart enough to take your point of view
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    May 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    What if god is a scientist, what does that prove?
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    May 28, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    correct link here
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    alexvieux Male 13-17
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    May 28, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    ha, doesnt this prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that beings exist that have the ability to create life? If we did it, doesnt that really point to something doing it to create us?

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