Most Pirates Say They`d Pay For Legal Downloads

Submitted by: Lionhart2 7 years ago in
http://www.news.com.au/technology/download-culture/internet-pirates-say-theyd-pay-for-legal-downloads/story-fn58oolp-1225863187697

Comprehensive survey reveals more people pirate for the convenience than to save money.
There are 74 comments:
Female 635
Is television by episodes?
Anyway, even if there was a service, I`d probably still watch quite a bit on dailymotion and youtube. I mostly watch stuff from the seventies and eighties.
I buy DVDs from current series, though. Also, if the DVD is cheap, and I don`t have to order it online, I`ll buy it. I really just want to watch old Doctor Who is pretty-o-vision. Despite the fact that the main actors from that show now either own castles or are married to Richard Dawkins, they still get royalties on that, right?

On the music side, I pay already, so suck it.
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Female 635
i used limewire cause i don`t own a credit card

:D
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Male 62
I was 8 in 1988 when I discovered internet porn. It was awesome. Usenet, Prodigy and AOL chat was great. Eventually that lead to music and movies. And by the time Bittorrent came out (as did ethernet cards with 10/100 Bps, T1 and T3 lines), well, the game was pretty much over.

No matter what you do, there will always be a black market for everything. You cannot stop it and no one ever will. All arguments for or against it are invalid. Prostitution and Black Market sellers/buyers are as old as time, man.
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Female 62
"that goes both ways brother. example, dr who, BBC america was just recently playing David Tennant`s finale, yet in UK today they`re broadcasting the 6th episode of the new series (matt smith as the doctor), same for Top Gear, Series 14 ended beginning of January, yet US is still saying "new episode" on BBC america, I got excited at first until I realized it was series 14 JUST making it to US."

Actually, BBC America is on episode 4 of the Matt Smith series as of May 8th.
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Male 193
I loathe anti-piracy groups so much, I can`t even explain it.
This - 2$ per movie isn`t enough for the movie industry - argument the moronic douchebag uses is so obviously out of context... And he probably knows it too. Cinema movies are exactly that - made for the cinema. And they make money from the cinemas. You can`t download a god damn cinema off the internet. And - yeah - i know they also sell dvds of big screen movies and stuff like that (which are availabe for piracy), but that`s just a minor cash-in - and they don`t really deserve some of the money made from it (see Lord of The Rings issue for example...)
And the Robin Hood argument... Wasn`t really an argument, because he didn`t really make a f-ing point about it.
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Male 12,365
IkeRay:

Has Torchwood aired in the USA? It`s a spinoff from Doctor Who, sort of Doctor Who for adults. Not a porno version, but an actual adult version, i.e. dealing with more realistic plots in a more realistic world and with subject matter that could never be used in Doctor Who (e.g. suicide). They only made 3 series (the 3rd is actually an extra-long film aired in episodes), but it`s very good.
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Male 12,365
[quote]that goes both ways brother. example, dr who, BBC america was just recently playing David Tennant`s finale, yet in UK today they`re broadcasting the 6th episode of the new series (matt smith as the doctor), same for Top Gear, Series 14 ended beginning of January, yet US is still saying "new episode" on BBC america, I got excited at first until I realized it was series 14 JUST making it to US.[/quote]

True, it`s just that we see it more often here in the UK because a lot more TV is made in the USA.

You also get the advertising issue with BBC USA. A 1 hour BBC time slot is about 59 minutes of program. A 1 hour time slot in the USA is about 43 minutes of program. So if you see an episode of TG in the USA in a 1 hour slot, about 16 minutes of that episode has been cut. Most USA viewers pirate it. The main fan site hosts ripped torrents of every episode. The TG production people are OK with it.
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Male 1,485
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Male 988
@ElSombrero
This.
This is similar to if I had to go to a store to renew my subscription to a game, I would stop playing.
There are lots of artists that aren`t on iTunes or in stores that I literally couldn`t buy. If I knew where I could buy them, I would.
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Female 3,598
I likie freebies.
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Male 22
I`m with ElSombrero on this.
Not only that, but honestly, there are much better things to spend money on than the mindless garbage being shoved down our throats these days.
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Male 716
This is exactly my point.

If I was to hypothetically download illegal stuff, then I would hypothetically be doing it because there is no convenient legal way OR it is not sold.

I would buy it if it was conveniently available to me... to support the creators and encourage them to make more.

Hypothetically, of course.
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Male 749
As for TV shows, I just watch them on TV. I paid £1.79 a couple of times but I don`t anymore. I wish I`d got an Archos instead of an iPod (then I`d be able to watch iPlayer on it - Apple sucks).
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Male 749
I don`t buy films off itunes, because they`re way expensive (I just buy DVDs). I pay for my music though. If prices were lower, people would be more likely to pay. I pay for music, even though I think 79p is waaaay too much. :(
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Male 1,002
I might consider paying for movies or tv, but when I pay for music (which I often do), I sure as hell better get a physical object.
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Male 553
I pay for music. That is about it. drat paying for movies or tv
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Male 2,703
oh, and don`t get me started on Merlin...end of the summer series 3 is going to start, NBC (who airs it in US) hasn`t even started airing "season" 2
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Male 2,703
" it takes so darn long for the episodes to leave America "

that goes both ways brother. example, dr who, BBC america was just recently playing David Tennant`s finale, yet in UK today they`re broadcasting the 6th episode of the new series (matt smith as the doctor), same for Top Gear, Series 14 ended beginning of January, yet US is still saying "new episode" on BBC america, I got excited at first until I realized it was series 14 JUST making it to US.
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Male 10,339
@davymid:

Okay, previous posts filled with vitriol then all of a sudden, a kidding post.

I gotta learn when to see these things.
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Male 363
"noo they wont pay for anything as long as theres a free one"

You`ve asked everyone then? I could pirate if I wanted to, the risk is slightly higher these days with European piracy laws but I still could. But I don`t because
a) piracy isn`t sustainable, if no one makes money they won`t produce anything
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b) I felt bad not paying for stuff I was using. Now I use legal alternatives to everything and I`ve since bought every game I pirated that I can remember from Steam or D2D. Don`t assume that everyone is a cheap non-nice individual who just wants free stuff, there are many reasons for piracy.
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Female 1,894
noo they wont pay for anything as long as theres a free one
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Male 363
Make that "even though you can`t". Damn lack of edit!
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Male 363
"The people who are willing to steal would steal no matter how cheap the item is. Never trust a thief."

Not necessarily. Depending on the person, if a product is cheaper and more affordable for them they may or may not be more inclined to pay for it. If you don`t make a whole lot of money and you pirate because you can`t afford, you can still feel bad and want to pay for your it even though you can. If you live in the US or whatever country the product originated from, make a lot of money and are still pirating there`s really no excuse though.
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Male 37,826

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Male 37,826
VV it`s hard to accuse us of being Pirates, my fellow Canadians, because the TaxMan has our money already, and gives it to the CRIA. X-(
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Male 2,056
@LazyMe, man i know right
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Male 10,440
I love my country`s loose piracy laws.
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Male 505
I watch TV online because
1) i don`t have the time to watch it only when it`s shown
2) it takes so darn long for the episodes to leave America
BUT if the tv show is good, i buy the season DVD as soon as it comes out so i can watch it again and again (I have every CSI box set i can find, all the Green Wings, which rocks)
I listen to music online because I don`t want to fork out £15 for an album where only 1 of the tracks is good. If the whole album is good i buy the hard copy from the shop, if it`s just the 1 song i download from iTunes, but i`m not paying that much to find out it`s crap.
I watch movies online if:
I want to see if it`s worth the money to buy the DVD (more often than not it is)
I`d like to know whether or not to book to the it in the cinema as it comes out in America sooner.
Or if my hard copy is scratched and not working.

Currently my fil, collection in my living room is 700 DVD`s and countless videos. I doubt most regula
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Male 230
was i the only one who saw "the price is wrong" and immediately thought of happy gilmore?

"the price is WRONG, biiitch!"
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Male 4,680
I wouldn`t steal a Ferrari. However if I could make an exact copy of a Ferrari for free I`d do it straight away.

I do pay for music/films/games from smaller, independent companies. They deserve the money. However I have absolutely no problem from pirating products churned out by faceless corporations such as Activision, Warner Brothers etc.
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Female 1,963
Batmanners, you realize of course that the same people can download more than one type of media.
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Female 1,963
I used to download all my music illegally, but I use napster now. I did basically switch because I didn`t like feeling like I was doing something wrong, and it is affordable enough. I never really got into downloading movies, as more often than not the quality was terrible. I would use netflix or something similar if we had that available here.

Although I remember first discovering napster back in like 2000 and it blew my mind that I could get all the music I wanted for free. It didn`t even occur to me to think of it as stealing.
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Male 7,378
The people who are willing to steal would steal no matter how cheap the item is. Never trust a thief.
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Male 4,004
I just looked at all their statistics.

I`m doing some basic math in my head, and realizing that they are giving answers, and not providing us with the alternatives...or allowing people to vote more than once.

Because otherwise they have 250% results...

Seriously, What does 78% Music, 80% Movies and 90% Television out of 7000 surveyed mean?
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Male 2,586
I think one of the BIG problems on these download sites are the disclaimers... many illegal sites (torrents sites etc) - although not strictly illegal but allowing access to pirated material - actually request that you pay for the downloads.

Payment PSYCHOLOGICALLY suggests legitimacy. I can therefore understand why people download. It is SO HARD to find legitimate sites these days - if there was a site that said `we are genuine, we are offering music, movies, tv - at a cost` - and it was easily accessible and safe for your credit card, I`m sure many people would use it
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Male 225
in the US Scheeble we don`t have tv licenses. Ifits over the air we get it free. As for the article saying 2 bucks a pop wouldn`t cover their costs its BS. Most movies cover their production costs from the box office alone. In the us a new dvd costs 20 bucks, and then the price slowly falls down to around 5 bucks. With online media they don`t have to pay for discs, cases, or file jackets. You convert it once, upload it to the server.
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Male 509
"I would NEVER pay for a TVshow download, especially if it was broadcasted on a major network (ie free antenna TV)"

but you have to pay for that... TV licence, paying for the actual antenna/freeview box etc. Besides, a lot of stuff on TV is streamed somewhere on the internet.
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Female 3,828
If cd`s and movies werent so unaffordable, then this wouldnt be such a problem. once they cut the prices for a movie ticket down by a few dollars, i went to see 10 X more movies.
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Female 387
For TV episodes, I`d pay 50p max for each episode (it`s about 75c) because if it`s off cable, people pay for it anyway. But if it`s off the BBC - like Heroes - then I refuse to pay for it. I do tend to watch UK stuff ASAP after it`s been show though, because you can get it good quality online.
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Female 986
@ omnompizza

:D I remember when that was on here so long ago. It made me happy... I couldn`t stop watching. And now I can`t... again...

@ Silly people
It is a site for bored people. I don`t think boredom discriminates different political parties or anything else. Everyone is affected by this terrible disease. Please donate or be less irate. :D Or just... you know, lighten up. :) ...I`ll shush now. I`m happy for this site anyway.
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Male 2,703
"As far as writing music goes. If I were an up and coming artist, I would be flattered someone would want to steal it, and if I were an established artist (nee Metallica) I wouldn`t give a crap because I`m already rich beeotch!"

I said in the infograph about music artist that they`d be wise to sell their cd`s for <$5 or even give free downloads on their personal webpages, hell most artist have free streaming music on their myspace or facebook (don`t know about the second). as was stated, most of money they make comes from appearances and merchandise sales (t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc). I had a friend who was starting a band (and they were good) who sold his cd`s at cost ($1 at their concerts), after winning battle of the bands in Houston, they got a studio cd out and it sold on their website for $5 (for free for anyone who mailed in their old cd)
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Male 2,703
I would NEVER pay for a TVshow download, especially if it was broadcasted on a major network (ie free antenna TV), personally I feel these should be hosted by said network on their webpages, sure they can hold them until after the air time, but if you want to cut down on piracy, host the episodes (ala southparkstudios)

also, $.50/song or per cd? I can see paying $.50/cd, hell I buy cd`s if I like the artist (but I`m not buying the cd if I only like 1 of their songs), I`m all for supporting music artists (or better described as computer altered talent), but I know that 75% of the sale is going straight to the record company and 15-20% is going to the making of the CD, I`m not really supporting an artist.

much like hollywood, when they`re boasting hundreds of millions of dollars gross from the theater, they`re complaining about a few million (if even) from dvd/blu-ray sales? stop paying johnny depp $40 million per movie...
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Male 12,138
[quote]Seriously lionhart? Give me a drating break dude. So now I have to watch what I say on IAB? Okay then.[/quote]
F*ck a duck Auburn, it was a joke. A while back you accused me of quote "getting my panties in a bunch" when I called you out on previous bans for racism on an otherwise harmless thread, in response to you accusing IAB (and therefore ME, forgive me for taking offence) of hardcore liberal favouritism over posts.

Keep on bleating about our "agenda" dude, it`s amusing. Thank f*ck the vast majority of IABers see us for what we are - just a bunch of misfits trying to make the world a bit less boring than it is.
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Male 8,302
Sorry auburn, i should`ve put a big :-) on the end of that so you knew i was kidding.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Like Pabasa says, if Netflix or Hulu or whoever can figure out all the licensing issues and make their service available worldwide for a small monthly fee they`ll be drating rich.[/quote]

In many places, the reason they can`t figure out licensing issues and all that has a lot to do with the governments.

The government wants "this," and "that," but the companies realize that both of those would ruin the experience for the viewer/player (or cut into their profits), so they don`t want to yield. End result? Everyone suffers for it.
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Male 10,339
Seriously lionhart?

Give me a drating break dude.

So now I have to watch what I say on IAB? Okay then.
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Male 8,302
> auburnjunky
> My movie collection is huuuuge.
> I do have about 5000 more pirated songs than ones I actually paid for

Thank you for the information, and we`ll send some men in suits around to see you shortly.
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Male 351
People who pirate also buy more than those who do not. Funny stuff.
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Male 10,339
@pooptart:

Tee hee.
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Male 234
" The reason behind the piracy is the important part. If I can`t legally pay for a service because I live in the wrong damn country then what the drat am I supposed to do?"

Thats right, I live in Australia. Now im into rave music and none of the music stores around here sell that music. so i have to turn to the internet and torrents for my music because the music is mainstream in the netherlands. frankly thats most reason people pirate anyway
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Male 2,440
[quote]@pooptart:

America is on the way to being like that if we don`t change...

Change. I thought we were supposed to be getting that?[/quote]
auburnjunky, now is not the time to foist your "I hate Obama. He`s the Antichrist" sentiments.
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Male 208
@Loxen,

Meh, it`s just a movie. It`s not like I need it right away. I prefer Netflix much over Blockbuster, and this is just a new way for Blockbuster to try and win new customers, and win back old customers.

I personally don`t care about waiting a few extra weeks for a movie. There`s plenty of other stuff to watch in the mean time. And it`s not like a game that you wanna play on release date. Movies are much different. If you didn`t see them in theater`s then chances are you really don`t care when you see them.

I just don`t feel like there`s anything about movies/tv shows, that really pull you in and make you want to have it on the release-day. I feel differently about games however, being that you want to get it in the beginning when everyone is new to the game, and all your friends are still interested.

So, I don`t get why people would care about this.
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Male 10,339
@pooptart:

America is on the way to being like that if we don`t change...

Change. I thought we were supposed to be getting that?
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Male 10,339
@chrn:

As far as writing music goes. If I were an up and coming artist, I would be flattered someone would want to steal it, and if I were an established artist (nee Metallica) I wouldn`t give a crap because I`m already rich beeotch!
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Male 363
Piracy isn`t a sustainable option, if everyone pirated then no one would produce because they would make no money. The reason behind the piracy is the important part. If I can`t legally pay for a service because I live in the wrong damn country then what the drat am I supposed to do? In a globalized world you can`t count on geographical borders to ration your service, someone`s going to get it somehow.

Like Pabasa says, if Netflix or Hulu or whoever can figure out all the licensing issues and make their service available worldwide for a small monthly fee they`ll be drating rich.
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Male 2,440
[quote]they forgot censorship as a reason for it also, take german versions of games for example, they censor mass parts of plots on occassion because it doesnt suit government doctrine and strip out blood or gore and on occassion simply drat up entire elements of game mechanics.makes that crap next to unplayable so ya, i tend to go hunting down the US version asap, which i´m typically willing to pay for, but drat buying butchered and broken garbage.[/quote]
Sh*t, VikingGuy. That just blows. Instead of just slapping a rating on it they completely f*ck up the game? Come on, Deutschland!
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Female 1,386
@ggolbez.
Netflix USED to be the best option... Google "avatar" + "rent" to see why netflix wont be getting it in a hurry.

"Fox, along with Sony and Warner Brothers, entered into an agreement with Blockbuster stating that their new DVD releases would be available the same day, only to Blockbuster. Netflix and Redbox would have to wait four full weeks before allowing their customers to rent movies from these three studios"

Gotta love the world we live in... And to make this topic related: Who`s guessing a lot of people are going to just say "screw you" to that deal, and will "rent" Avatar for free wherever they can find it on the net?
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Male 174
First of all, there is an avenue legally for music at least, it`s called itunes, and it costs a dollar. Stop being a cheap ass if you have a problem with that, that is absolutely nothing. SEcondly how would anyone who supports piracy feel if you wrote a song and someone just stole it from you. you spend months of blood, sweat and tears writing it, have an emotional connection to it spend thousands of dollars of your own money either having it recorded or buying gear to record it yourself and then someone just takes it from you. If you have any respect or decency you should pay the person. Record labels, are a different case, I wont get into that. rip them off, they`re doing it to the musician anyway. What`s sad is, people still do it tons to people who aren`t on record labels and are doing it themselves.
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Male 2,841
Why pay for something when you don`t have to?
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Male 2,160
they forgot censorship as a reason for it also, take german versions of games for example, they censor mass parts of plots on occassion because it doesnt suit government doctrine and strip out blood or gore and on occassion simply drat up entire elements of game mechanics.makes that crap next to unplayable so ya, i tend to go hunting down the US version asap, which i´m typically willing to pay for, but drat buying butchered and broken garbage.
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Male 1,931
Services like Netflix are the best option for this sort of thing. Rather than buying each individual piece of media, you pay a subscription for almost limitless media.
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Male 4,012
Expanding on what Hemtroll said, everywhere on the internet I go, American TV shows are shoved in our faces whether us non-US citizens are able to actually watch the show in our country or not. So when a really, really great TV show comes along, or at least a great gay-ish TV show pops up for me (which is probably never going to show up in Malaysia), I download them.

That`s why if Hulu suddenly makes itself available for the whole world to see for, say, 10 bucks a month, they`ll no doubt be making millions in the first quarter. Everyone`s been brainwashed to follow American TV.
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Male 25,416
interesting indeed
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Male 1,765
I wouldn`t pay for legal downloads... If I were to pay for every single piece of digital media which I hear it`d cost me more than a thousand bucks. F*ck that. When I spend money on music I at least want a goddamn CD or LP, with better quality and presentation.
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Male 3,482
[quote">"The average (cost of a) Hollywood movie in 2008 to make and market was $108 million."[/quote">

And 3/4 of them STILL SUCKED ASS.

Whereas you have things like THIS that cost some $200 bucks to make, and it`s free on Youtube (and worth watching).

If the industries want more money, how about they start putting out GOOD material, as opposed to spending millions on SH*T.

Pretty much the only things I pay for anymore are underground independent artists (like Doctor Steel), GOOD major artists (like Emilie Autumn, Gackt, etc.) and anime & manga.
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Male 37,826
Thanks @Lionhart, but if it`s Russian, it`s probably more piratey than I am :)
And Movies? I go to ones that look OK. But for the majority of Hollowood`s drek? I`d sooner watch it on my 17" monitor than shell out $$ to see it.
Plus, the CRIA already has my money, did I mention that?
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Male 56
i do movies because 99% of todays dross is bubblegram poo i watch then delete why have a house full of rubbish? if you want people to pay for the poo stop makin drating poo you stupid morons !!!!! ya greed has come back to bite you in the balls
ITS HOLLYWOODS OWN FAULT!!!! boo drating hoo
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Male 363
Her in Sweden we don`t get TV or movies until 6-12 months after airing in the US if even that. Some shows come here a year after they`ve been proven successful in the US, some never come. I stream all my TV from various sites and I pay monthly to do so. Stream all my music using Spotify and buy my games from Steam or D2D.

When there`s no easy legal alternative people do what they can.
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Male 3,255
Interesting.
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Male 8,302
> 5cats

Try legaldownloads.com, a Russian site. Their range is good, prices are low, single tracks not albums, and they SAY they pay all applicable royalties. Which I believe to be true because Russian law probably says they don`t have to pay anything.
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Male 1,153
i would pay for downloads, but only if there were no illegal, free, quick, conveniant alternatives.
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Male 37,826
I was at a "legal pay site" which had offered 20 free downloads to try it & see just how awesome it was, eh?
WELL it sucked! There were barely any bands I liked, and when I found a song or two I wanted to download, I had to d/l the WHOLE album! What? Why? idk!
Needless to say I quit and returned to my pirate ways. Yo-ho-ho!
AND as a Canadian I`ve ALREADY PAID for my downloads. The CRIA has my cash, it would be immoral for me to NOT download :P
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Male 8,302
Link: Most Pirates Say They`d Pay For Legal Downloads [Rate Link] - Comprehensive survey reveals more people pirate for the convenience than to save money.
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