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Date: 05/03/10 07:03 AM

321 Responses to Did You Know God Prefers Atheists? [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of yzarc_jr
    yzarc_jr Male 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 6:58 am
    Link: Did You Know God Prefers Atheists? - You know, it a way, this comic makes a lot of sense--God really probably does prefer atheists to every other religion.
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    NotjonGreco Male 18-29
    350 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:09 am
    Awesome. God lives in Boca-good to know.
  3. Profile photo of admisaok
    admisaok Male 18-29
    516 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:09 am
    i can hear the arguments coming...
  4. Profile photo of BoomBox
    BoomBox Male 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:12 am
    Haha the attitude made this all better.
  5. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
    4809 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:16 am
    Here we go again... in 3...2...1
  6. Profile photo of Rozz
    Rozz Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:16 am
    Best thing I`ve ever read. So true.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:17 am
    hahaha very good
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:24 am
    lol, so true
  9. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:25 am
    idk, I`ve met a lot of lazy, unproductive dick atheists in my life. :P
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:25 am
    "i can hear the arguments coming..."

    I`m Christian and I can`t argue with the logic.
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    ravensky Female 18-29
    106 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:26 am
    oops.

    flame war starting...........
  12. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:27 am
    lol it`d be kind of hilarious if this didn`t become a flame war.
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    wyngit Male 18-29
    153 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:27 am
    amazing truth
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    junkaddy Female 30-39
    261 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:32 am
    Love it!
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:34 am
    so true, religion causes so many problems...
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    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
    1958 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:35 am
    Good point
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:35 am
    Well the morality part is true, except few people have a real grasp on morality. Those few who do (by the way, a requirement is having no religious beliefs) are the true heroes of this world.
  18. Profile photo of DavidXJ
    DavidXJ Male 30-39
    1106 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:38 am
    Hey, they just figured out the attitude God asks us to have.
  19. Profile photo of domisgood
    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:48 am
    this is gonna explode into a shiitstorm of relgious arguing
  20. Profile photo of Hedanito
    Hedanito Male 18-29
    397 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 7:50 am
    Win
  21. Profile photo of Ruswut
    Ruswut Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:53 am
    lol this is a very good point XP and nobody can get angry about it because it is obviously a joke (logic dictates it has to be.. think about it) also... 1000 posts :D
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:53 am
    Awesome
  23. Profile photo of alexander_xx
    alexander_xx Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:54 am
    Domisgood: `this is gonna explode into a shiitstorm of relgious arguing`

    ooh and im quaking with anticipation! bring on the poostorm!!
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:54 am
    Cant wait to see what blind believers have to say about it
  25. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:59 am
    Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals
  26. Profile photo of JudasInc
    JudasInc Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:01 am
    I concur
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    ishkabibbles Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:03 am
    This is epic win
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:05 am
    "this is gonna explode into a shiitstorm of relgious arguing"

    123NOT IT! *runs*
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:08 am
    ZING!
  30. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:09 am
    I like the style this comic is drawn in lol
  31. Profile photo of whelshin
    whelshin Male 18-29
    122 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:12 am
    thor, apparently you dont know any atheists, and yes this post is awesome, backs up things ive been saying for a while
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Makes an interesting point
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    Sock1122 Male 18-29
    274 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:16 am
    *ahem* I guess I`ll be one to try spark all of this off...

    Everything in this comic is true! nothing has been added for comical effect, and god doesnt exist.

    now how you gonna act? ;)
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    seedofdevil Male 13-17
    75 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:17 am
    "Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

    hahaha
    good one
    im an atheist and i can laugh at that
    by the way
    your going to hell for sayin that >=D
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    mrcristo Male 18-29
    281 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:21 am
    Just because a person believes in God, it doesn`t mean that they don`t solve their own problems, that their morals are based on fear of spiritual retribution, and they use God`s name to wage wars. I`m a Christian and I don`t do any of that stuff. Matter of fact, anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ shouldn`t do any of that stuff. It`s good that atheists don`t do the hypocritical stuff that some so-called believers do. Except atheists don`t believe in God, so that`s a moot point. There are still lazy theiving warmongering atheists out there.
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    MrHyde Male 18-29
    494 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:23 am
    """mrcristo
    Male, 18-29, Western US
    282 Posts Monday, May 03, 2010 8:21:20 AM
    Just because a person believes in God, it doesn`t mean that they don`t solve their own problems, that their morals are based on fear of spiritual retribution, and they use God`s name to wage wars. I`m a Christian and I don`t do any of that stuff. Matter of fact, anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ shouldn`t do any of that stuff. It`s good that atheists don`t do the hypocritical stuff that some so-called believers do. Except atheists don`t believe in God, so that`s a moot point. There are still lazy theiving warmongering atheists out there. """

    Aaand now, it begins. *Epic star wars music*
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    Sock1122 Male 18-29
    274 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:25 am
    @mrcristo but isnt it also true that god is a lama and that lama`s are evil?
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    tenty Male 18-29
    425 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:25 am
    "Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

    I`m rather hurt by that....
  39. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:36 am
    @tenty

    Dong be hurt. People who think you need God to have morals dont have a good grasp on reality. Because obviously if there were moral truth the practical implications would suggest that every theist would have the same grasp of morality, and there aren`t two theists on this planet that will agree on what is and is not moral.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:45 am
    admisaok: i can hear the arguments coming...

    NotionGreco: Awesome. God lives in Boca-good to know.

    I will argue against this heresy!

    God is obviously English, so of course they live in England.
  41. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:48 am
    Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals

    Seriously? Or are you just stirring up a traditional IAB religious argument thread?

    Because it would be a quite remarkable display of either determined ignorance on your part or skillful brainwashing on the part of your trainers for you to reach adulthood and have the opinion you stated.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9258 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 8:51 am
    Thanks fancy, I really needed a warm up after waking up kind of cold today.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:00 am
    rofl thats great
  44. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:01 am
    "Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

    Owned by self?
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:01 am
    Angilion.. God is obviously English, so of course they live in England. .

    I always imagined him/her as Irish... LOL
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:02 am
    I still haven`t got a hang of this italics thing
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:06 am
    Angillion- of course God is english, seems to be a jolly good chap- with some rather odd ideas. Bit like Rowan Williams I suspect LOL>
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    KeePay Male 18-29
    494 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:07 am
    mrcristo:

    I agree with you. The people portrayed as religious in this comic are people who have misinterpreted the true meaning of their religions. However, it`s a problem that too many religious people hold these incorrect beliefs, and too many atheists think that all people who follow religion act this way.
  49. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:15 am
    Ah, if only this were true, and God did value these things.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:18 am
    Oh yes, I`m sharing this one!

    Atheists 1
    Christians 0
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    deadpopstar Female 18-29
    497 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:25 am
    ZOMG! I want a gold star!
  52. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:28 am
    I still haven`t got a hang of this italics thing

    Start italics off with an HTML open quoting tag:



    End it with an HTML close quoting tag:



    But without the spaces, of course.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:30 am
    The comic is funny, due to the use of the stereotypes involved.
  54. Profile photo of ProXLaw
    ProXLaw Male 30-39
    122 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:31 am
    God hates needy people...and the elderly.
  55. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:32 am
    i wonder if a gold star from god has some sort of mystical powers?
  56. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:36 am
    just checking to see if this quote thing works

    This really makes me feel sad. if your eye`s are opened and you see God you will know how horrible this is.
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    Molehouse Male 13-17
    303 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:38 am
    Ah yes, because religio is the only reason these wars are fought, not just a guise to gain supporters.
  58. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:45 am
    "The people portrayed as religious in this comic are people who have misinterpreted the true meaning of their religions. However, it`s a problem that too many religious people hold these incorrect beliefs, and too many atheists think that all people who follow religion act this way."

    Oh yay! KeePay finally figured out what the "TRUE" way of his religion is. Man... after thousands of years of squabbling someone finally has an answer. So much for all those non-Christianly Christians who hold their religious beliefs just as close to the heart as you. Maybe YOU could stop by my door at 9:00am this upcoming Saturday and tell me the "truth" already!
  59. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Bollocks to God, everything that matters prefers Atheists just for being Atheists. Its a matter of technical superiority.

    --I`ll go fetch my marshmallows and some sticks--
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:03 am
    So... this is an attack made by Atheists to try to make the point that all religions are wrong and the only true belief is Atheism...

    That sounds kind of familiar...
  61. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:04 am
    seedofdevil & whelshin explain....
  62. Profile photo of fancylady
    fancylady Female 30-39
    864 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 10:14 am
    Yay ,I love waking up to iab`s favourite subject to discuss and debate lol.
  63. Profile photo of Spider_sol
    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:20 am
    Well, it`s a good thing I`m an athiest, because I really care what some fictional character thinks about me not believing in him.
  64. Profile photo of bobclean
    bobclean Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:22 am
    http://godisimaginary.com/

    Title says it all!
  65. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 10:29 am
    BenTheBug: actually it`s a joke between atheists about religion. Let`s not blow it out of proportion.
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    stonewar Female 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:40 am
    Jesus has a condo in Boca...I wanna go!
  67. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
    56 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 10:40 am
    bobclean, that`s just another opinionated site, with no study of the actual Bible, just text taken out of it and used out of context for their own agenda.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:46 am
    lol it`d be kind of hilarious if this didn`t become a flame war - pui
    LOLZ! That would be funny, eh?
    I think that it`s false for humans to say they KNOW what God wants/thinks, it`s supposed to be a matter of Faith eh? So I guess this cartoon might be accurate... but probably not.
    Oh wait, there`s the "lukewarm" text in the Bible...
    Revelation 3:14-16
  69. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:51 am
    i wonder if a gold star from god has some sort of mystical powers?
    It has the power to lead you to the appropriate barn in Bethlehem.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:18 am
    Atheism is officaially a relgion at this point.

    they believe in something that cannot be proven or disproven and that requires FAITH. they truly believe they alone are right and everyone else is wrong...

    like religious people they take everything they can get their hands out out of context and use it to suport their belief...

    they have ORGANIZED meeting places where they talk about their non-belief belief (AKA CHURCH)

    they actively try to convert others to their way of life with their campiagns and are pretty damn insistent about it...like religious people

    yep it fits the criteria, congrats you morons you are officaially a religious order!
  71. Profile photo of genericuser
    genericuser Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
    religion aside, that was just not funny.
  72. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
    BentheBug

    you get a gold star for the day sir!
  73. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
    God looks like an elderly meth addict in this comic.
  74. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:28 am
    almightybob, would that make them a wiseman?
  75. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 11:32 am
    @jamie76

    Simply wrong. Atheists aren`t making any claims that need to be proven or disproven. They simply refute unjustifiable claims made by those who have faith and very poor evidence for the supernatural. An atheist refutes claims the same way I am sure you refute Islam`s or Hinduism`s claims.

    Atheist aren`t trying to make way for a life style and "convert" people, they only ask that people either account for their beliefs with evidence or abandon bronze age lifestyles that lack any substantial evidence for belief and that are detrimental to society and civilization as a whole.
  76. Profile photo of KekS
    KekS Male 18-29
    588 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 11:39 am
    You`re absolutely right, jamie76, atheism is a religion! Just like water is a non-alcoholic vodka, air is what nonsmokers smoke, baldness is a color of hair and health is an illness.
  77. Profile photo of Siyanor
    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Congrats jamie, you officially know absolutely jack about atheism.
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    zekumi Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Lol at KekS. xD
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    CreepyShanny Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
    awesome!
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
    758 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    Wow, you`re retarded Jamie.
    I`ve never heard of nor seen an atheist gathering to discuss beliefs and ideals. Either way, have you ever heard of a support group? AA worships the bottle, by your standards, then.
    We do not believe in something, those are Agnostics.
    Not all religious people take everything out of context and distort it to suit their needs, those are called extremists, or zealots.
    And for the actively trying to convert, see above.

    Yep, that fits the criteria, you`re officially an uneducated fool.
    Try some reading before you try to throw your bigot nonsense around.
  81. Profile photo of mervviscious
    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Religion is funny...
  82. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    Atheism isn`t a religion, however it is a belief, although most athiests I`ve talked to have denied that. You have just as little proof to say their isn`t a God as I have to say there is. Actually i would say you have less proof but that argument never goes anywhere.
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    ZackDark Male 18-29
    299 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    @KekS: technically, `vodka` translates to `little water`, so yes, water is non-alcoholic vodka.

    In spite of that, I fully support how you handled the situation and give you credits for the barely-abusive sarcasm.

    (I would also like to point out that no sarcasm was involved in this message.)
  84. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    jamie76: Two possibilites.

    1) You are are troll
    2) You are an idiot

    Either way, sucks to be you.

    And I don`t mean `idiot` in a slandering, irrational, biased, and ignorant kind of way; I mean it in a factual, logical, reasoned, and correct kind of a way.

    (Oh look, religion and atheism summed up!)

    --My marshmallows are nearly done--
  85. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    My marshmallows have finished. But before I go, can I just shout to everyone who doesn`t know:

    ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
    ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD

    You have to be a specific type of atheist to believe that there is no God.

    Now, goodbye.
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    too hilarious.
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    Nerdfighter0 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Ooh. Stereotypes.
    Just want to point out, that as a believing christian, that God doesn`t prefer anyone. He loves us all.
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    "ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
    ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD"

    Um, no.

    "I lack the belief in a god." = "I believe that there is no god."
  89. Profile photo of Solvent
    Solvent Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    I don`t blame the big guy for getting sick of running his little fan club for all these years.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
    379 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    if ANYONE actually takes this comic seriously, they have no idea what the rest of the comics are like. I`ve read them before, and it`s about a very, VERY disgusting teddy bear.
    Oh, and fattpill, it`s the "if your eyes are opened and you see God" thing that`s why most people I know dislike Christianity, believing you`re the only one that`s right and that everyone else is ignorant for not following the same beliefs. Not saying all Christians are like that, I`ve had loads of friends that aren`t, just saying the very loud ones are like that and they annoy the rest of us.
  91. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    @msieg007

    Nope! one is making a claim while the other is just the absence of a belief.
  92. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Everyone is athiest,in order to believe in your "god" you have to not believe in like a million others. It is just because upbringing has dictacted which "god" u will blindly believe, athiests just take it one God further.
  93. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    IAB baiting another `discussion` again. Figures.
  94. Profile photo of GosuPaul
    GosuPaul Male 18-29
    516 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    "Nope! one is making a claim while the other is just the absence of a belief. "

    Sorry mate, there`s no such thing as an absence of `a` belief. Perhaps the absence of `the` belief in question, but everyone has an opinion.

    Belief: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. (Merriam-Webster)
  95. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
    762 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    @msieg007

    So someone comes up to you and say "Aliens exist because it rained yesterday." You then say that is absurd and you lack a belief in their claims. You wouldn`t make an absolute statement and say it is impossible for Aliens to exist and believe they don`t. That is the difference.
  96. Profile photo of GosuPaul
    GosuPaul Male 18-29
    516 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    "IAB baiting another `discussion` again. Figures."

    Oh, I`m sorry that the site code mandates you to read through every single comment before you can actually view the base posting at hand.

    What?

    The site DOESN`T force you to read through every comment to get to the content?!

    But...But..That would mean that CrakrJak has no reason to be complaining!

    Ludicrous!!
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    DGbME Male 40-49
    451 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    You go Nerdfigher0!
    This cartoon assumes all atheist are good people. I am sure there are atheists out there who commit crimes.
  98. Profile photo of taylor_stone
    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    713 Posts Monday, May 3, 2010 12:38:59 PM
    "ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
    ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD"

    Um, no.

    "I lack the belief in a god." = "I believe that there is no god."

    HOWEVER

    "I lack a belief in God." =/= "There is no God."

    One does not have to believe in something in order for it to exist.

    Sorry for stepping on your toes.
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    ziestan Female 18-29
    43 posts
    May 3, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    drat religion
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    buscompany Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    NitroJunkie
    We do not believe in something, those are Agnostics.

    That is completely backwards. Agnosticism is the closest you can get to not having a belief, although technically the belief would be that you cannot know if there is a god or not.

    taylor_stone
    "I lack a belief in God." =/= "There is no God."
    Atheism corresponds to the statement that there is no god, just as theism corresponds to the statement that there is a god. Anything in between is some form of agnosticism.

    I really don`t understand most atheists. It seems to me that if you`re an atheist, one day you had to think to yourself, "Wow, it`s not logical to be so sure that there is a god", and you would be so right. Why then would your next thought be, "Oh, so obviously there is no god."
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    GosuPaul: I`ve only participated in DOZENS of these `discussions` before. Maybe if you had looked at past religion posts, You`d have realized that fact.
    Instead, You jumped right into the same instant assume and judge mode you accused me of.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    well, its nice atheists think they know a damn thing about Christianity, or history for that matter. In relation to all wars we have documented, there are more non-religious wars then so. There are at least 3 wars caused by a naturalistic agenda, and the morals atheists claim they have are menaingless without an objective source to state good and evil, otherwise, its just chemical explosions in the brain and noone can tell anyone what is wrong or right just because your quite random brain thinks its "good" not to kill, (even though murder has evolutionary benefits, as does rape and pediphelia)

    in other words, this comic and atheists fail.

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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Atheists in general go by the scientific idea that you go for the simpler reason because it makes no sense to choose a more complex reason. Water falls from the sky not because some all knowing all seeing being is crying, but because there`s too much water in the sky and it has to come down due to already known and proven principles. If something cannot be proven and has no proof, to think that it exists makes no sense, unless you go on faith.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    also, there are atheists dicussion groups, trying so hard to prove they are right, when they actually have no proof they are right. there are also atheistic apologetics, such as hitchens, and those fools handing out flyers to convert to atheism.

    the very premise of saying you don`t have a belief, yet wish to put that LACK of belief into apologetics, is cognitive dissonance in the highest degree!!
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    simple? what is so simple about something cvomign from nothing? that is the most complex thing i have ever heard of, or that the "simple" rain falling is actually part of a very particular and complex ecological system.
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    @buscompany

    Your understanding of atheism is exactly what TopperHey was trying to clear up. Atheist aren`t making claims. They just reject the claims of those who say there is a god or gods and thus lack that belief. They are not saying there is no god, only that there is not enough evidence to believe there is.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    oh, and morals can come from the idea of "what is good for the group" not just "what is good for the self". To argue that there is no concept of "good" without God is wrong. There are many, many social creatures out there, not just us, and although they don`t have the exact same concepts of good an evil, they do have some similarity. unless you`re telling me that all the social apes out there are Christian?
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    the faith that atheists hold: the big bang theory, there is no god theory, there is no spiritual world theory, there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    it doesn`t matter about single or group moral dynamics, you can`t say anything is wrong to another living creature unless that wrong has infinite persecuation. sorry. you cant have your cake and eat it too.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    and no where in science does something come from nothing. the big bang theory says that the stuff existed BEFORE the big bang, it just was very compact. And rain falling from the sky is simple.water got up there through different means, and of course "whatever goes up must come down". It is Christianity that said God created the world from nothing, so I really don`t get your arguement, monktoast.
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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    biologically, girls can impregnate as young as 7, humans and animals. thus, by atheists saying pedophelia is wrong, they are fooling themselves and science, and thus have faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data.

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    monktoast Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    uhm, the big bang theory says that "stuff" before nothing, still came from nowhere, there ius not a single scientific observation of this compact stuff or its origins, you must have loads of faith friend!
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    As someone who took a class on animal cognition, even rats feel sympathy for other rats. Sympathy, and there for being able to know right from wrong behavior towards another being, is fairly basic.
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    god is infinite, and thus there is no arg7ument of nothing. the universe cannot be infinite due to entropy. thus in the natural paradigm, it had to have a beginning, unlike God, so there is no logic holes here, only with atheists who have faith in there idea of universal begining.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    We have no proof that there was nothing before, so we would not say there was nothing before. We have proof of conservation of matter, therefor we accept conservation of matter. We can measure the universe`s expansions and contractions, so we accept them. How is any of that faith-based?
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    rats can have sympathy yes, but sympathy itself is meaningless. rats are a different type of animal. there are plenty of animals and humans who have no sympathy, and do just fine. your random morality has no foundation for truth.
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    Allow Quaintness the argument fairy to bring thee some help.

    http://www.logicalfallacies.info/
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    conservation of energy, energy is not lost, it is simply moved to other parts of the universe, and put into different forms. There is NO LOSS of energy in the universe, therefore there does not have to BE a beginning and an end. it can simply BE, in different forms.
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    buscompany Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    That`s exactly what my point is, saying that you lack a belief in god is agnosticism, atheism means you specifically believe there is not a god. It wouldn`t make sense to say that a theist simply lacks a belief in there not being a god. That`s what the a in atheism is for, to make it the opposite of theism. I`m not saying your beliefs are bad, I`m just saying that the distinction between agnosticism and atheism is there for a reason, and I think that many "atheists" have mislabeled themselves.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    I am saying that as a SOCIAL creature, sympathy lets us work together, to perform better than other creatures. if we did not work together and learn from each other, we would in no way be at the top of the pyramid. without each other, we would have lost to the tiger, the lion, the shark, the snake, and every other predator big enough to take a chunk out of us. right and wrong evolved, along with our ability to survive due to it.
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    the faith that atheists hold: 1) the big bang theory, 2) there is no god theory, 3) there is no spiritual world theory, 4) there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.

    Ooh yay, ignorance!
    *ahem*
    Numbered for convenience:
    1) I could cite all the evidence supporting the Big Bang model, but it would be pointless because neither of us are sufficiently trained in astrophysics to argue it properly. But you could start by looking up COBE on Wikipedia.
    2) Untestable hypothesis, not theory.
    3) Untestable hypothesis, not theory.
    4) Speculation, and ultimately testable hypothesis, not theory.

    If any atheists claimed the last three are scientific theories, they are wrong. If it`s just you deciding that anything an atheist thinks is a theory, lrn2science.
    And remember, one thing being wrong does not make another thing autom
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    oh, and just FYI, I actually do believe in a God, and a Goddess, but I refuse to accept the idea that for the 10ish years that I didn`t believe in any God, that I was amoral. I had morals based in thought and reason, not because I was going to be punished. And I still have those morals today, for the same reasons (my religion has no hell).
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    @buscompany

    Well then we are all at fault for not using more specific terms considering there is:

    Strong Agnosticism
    Weak Agnosticism
    Apathetic Agnosticism
    Agnostic Atheism
    Agnostic Theism
    Ignosticism
    Strong Atheism
    Weak Atheism
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Oooh, I can tell monktoast is going to be fun.

    thus, by atheists saying pedophelia is wrong, they are fooling themselves and science, and thus have faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data.
    Paedophilia is an issue of consent, not biology. A child is incapable of giving full, rational, informed consent, which is why paedophilia is illegal.

    the big bang theory says that "stuff" before nothing, still came from nowhere
    No, it does not. A singularity is not nothing.
    And the concept of "before" the Big Bang is fundamentally flawed, since time began at the Big Bang. You can`t have "before" the beginning.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    almightybob, I have to correct you there, it is that we cannot measure before the big bang, however the matter still existed, we just aren`t exactly sure yet in what form. to say time started then is wrong, it`s that the time of our current universe as we know it started then. otherwise it`s matter coming from nothing
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    the universe cannot be infinite due to entropy. thus in the natural paradigm, it had to have a beginning
    Hah! I love the entropy argument. Go on, do the "tornado in a junkyard making a fully functioning car" one next.

    No scientist says the universe is infinitely old - it`s roughly 13.5Bn years old.
    And if you can assert God is infinite with no evidence, why can`t we assert the universe is infinite with no evidence?
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    is that middle eastern guy? most places he would not be speaking to god or speaking of god...unless its to say the words, " your god can kiss a moose, now eat this grenade sucker"
  129. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    what is so simple about something cvomign from nothing?

    And it`s SO much simpler to believe that there`s this big man in the sky that was created FROM NOTHING?

    Inevitably, no matter how you look at it, things have to have come from nothing. The only difference is, do you believe the UNIVERSE came from nothing, or that this all-powerful thing came from nothing, and then, with powers we cannot possibly comprehend, created the universe... FROM NOTHING.

    Of course, that`s accounting for the belief that everything has to have a beginning and ending, though as someone else already stated, neither god nor matter (conservation of energy and matter) needs them.
  130. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    Serpentchick - yeah I know the matter was there. But you cannot have time without space - they are fundamentally intertwined by the emergent laws which govern our universe. Therefore the concept of "before" the Big Bang (the beginning of space, and therefore time) is meaningless.
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    buscompany Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    @unmercyfuldu
    The only reason I brought it up is because people were making arguments that only apply to atheism, and other people were defending it with beliefs other than atheistic beliefs. So yeah, I guess I do think it`s important that people be more specific.
  132. Profile photo of Serpentchick
    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    almightybob1, that`s why I said it was the beginning of our universe, and that we can`t exactly be certain of what form all matter was in before the big bang, that`s what the LHC is trying to figure out.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data.

    Actually, it`s been scientifically proven that it`s HEALTHIER for both the mother and the child if the mother is impregnated between certain ages, since the mothers body is more mature and able to handle the strain placed upon her body.

    It may have been better for evolution back when twenty-five was retirement age, but not anymore.
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    "And if you can assert God is infinite with no evidence, why can`t we assert the universe is infinite with no evidence?"

    Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics. God doesn`t have too because he exists outside of the laws that govern the physical universe.
  135. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics.

    And yet, we don`t know all the laws of logic and physics.

    We don`t make them up off the top of our heads, they`re already in existence, we just discover them.

    Eventually, we could discover one that changes all that we thought were right before it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    Our `logic and physics` only applies to the universe that we can comprehend. If we can`t comprehend it then it appears to be illogical and unreasonable.
  137. Profile photo of Serpentchick
    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    We have no evidence the universe is infinite, we have a starting point for our current universe, and we do not say that it will last forever. We DO however, have proof that all the matter that has ever existed has always existed, and that is the law of conservation of matter, that it can never be created or destroyed. It`s just that OUR CURRENT universe started at the big bang, and went forward from there. Once we have proof of the infinite-or not- future of the universe, it is THEN that we will be making claims about it. Scientists must always be ready to accept that at this point we don`t know everything, and to make any claim without some sort of proof is wrong.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics. God doesn`t have too because he exists outside of the laws that govern the physical universe.
    And you know that because the Bible says so, right?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Atheism isn`t a religion, however it is a belief, although most athiests I`ve talked to have denied that. You have just as little proof to say their isn`t a God as I have to say there is. Actually i would say you have less proof but that argument never goes anywhere.

    Ho hum, this again.

    Right now, I am holding an undetectable magic hamster. It`s actually the manifestation in this plane of an immortal god from the plane of aether. It keeps the atmosphere on Earth with a powerful magic spell, so you`d better believe in it.

    You don`t? Why not? You can`t prove it doesn`t exist.

    I don`t believe in everything anyone claims is true without any reason to do so.

    Neither do you.

    Also, your argument is that lack of faith is faith. That`s a rather dodgy argument.
  140. Profile photo of Serpentchick
    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    of course, I am a biologist and do not study astrophysics, so there may already be much more data on whether or not our current universe will exist forever or at what point it will collapse again into singularity, but last I heard it was mostly speculation based on current data.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Oh well, SCREW ALL YOUR ARGUEMENTS.

    They`re all so Christ-centric.

    When I die Imma go to Valhalla and enjoy me some never-ending goat beer. WOOH!
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    @Altaru

    So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics? ... like maybe God?
  143. Profile photo of Serpentchick
    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    hey Altaru, help me out here, I`m gonna be reincarnated and have to deal with all these people AGAIN.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    I really don`t understand most atheists. It seems to me that if you`re an atheist, one day you had to think to yourself, "Wow, it`s not logical to be so sure that there is a god", and you would be so right. Why then would your next thought be, "Oh, so obviously there is no god."

    i) Not all atheists think that.
    ii) You have the same thought about a great number of things. Everyone does. So why don`t you understand it?
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    Yes angilion... i don`t believe you have a magic hamster. I can also say a believe that you don`t have a magic hamster. It`s something that i think is true even though i don`t have any physical evidence to say anything one way or the other.

    And just cause i don`t have physical proof doesn`t mean i don`t have reasons.
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    10/10 I see lots of HURRDURR-wall-o-texts below.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    the faith that atheists hold: the big bang theory, there is no god theory, there is no spiritual world theory, there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.

    Since scientists don`t claim any of those things are definitely completely true, you have no point. Also, only one of the "theories" is actually a theory (big bang). So straight away you show your lack of knowledge of science.

    You are confusing science with religion and then using your incorrect premise to "prove" science is religion. It`s a circular argument - another classic logical fallacy.
  148. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics?

    No, I`m saying that there could be something out there that fundamentally CHANGES all that we ALREADY KNOW about physics.

    Not something that defies all laws of physics, but something that follows them in ways we don`t completely understand.

    No matter HOW you look at it, most gods don`t follow ANY laws of physics, what with the ability to create things from nothing and all that.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics? ... like maybe God?

    Not Altaru, but I`ll answer anyway:
    Of course I accept the possibility. New evidence could be uncovered at any minute which would conclusively prove the existence of a god (although whether I would worship any god that was proven real is a different matter).

    But until that evidence is produced, I will remain unconvinced.
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    @almightybob

    So no reply to my post, just a vague statement that implies that I`m a blind follower who hasn`t put any thought into what I believe... awesome.

    I believe God is above the physical laws because i believe he created them. I believe he created time and logic and the physical world. This is my belief. Where would logic have come from. Why does 1+1 always equal 2? Why is there gravity? Why does anything make sense? This world is made of complete order, how is that?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    it doesn`t matter about single or group moral dynamics, you can`t say anything is wrong to another living creature unless that wrong has infinite persecuation. sorry. you cant have your cake and eat it too.

    You may need fear of eternal torture to make you behave like a decent person (as you say you do), but most people are not like that.

    You appear to be arguing that all Christians are sociopaths. It`s an interesting idea, but it doesn`t seem to be true.
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    "GosuPaul: I`ve only participated in DOZENS of these `discussions` before. Maybe if you had looked at past religion posts, You`d have realized that fact.
    Instead, You jumped right into the same instant assume and judge mode you accused me of. "

    Incorrect, actually. I have noticed your arguments and posts in many other religion based posts. You`re usually one of the few fighting FOR Christianity. However, that still does not negate my statement lying underneath all that sarcasm.

    You don`t need to be here.

    Why do you care that people are arguing about God again? Nobody`s forcing you to bear the generally overwhelming ignorance of the IAB forum posts, so you could easily avoid any sort of unrest that these IAB `discussions` may create. You can`t argue something like `Well, I can`t just let this happen!` because then it`s your own fault that you`ve felt the need to dive in.

    Nobody`s getting hurt here. Just read the comic, grunt condescendi
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    Zerj Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    I`m also sure there are religious people out there who commit crime.
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    Scotchy Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    I got a theory, can`t prove or disprove unfortunately, but it has about as much merit as the "god" theory.

    I say sometime in the distant future, someone/something somewhere invents time travel. At that point, that being goes back in time, but goes back to the exact moment the big bang occurs. Meaning they cause it by arriving. How would something like a time machine create the big bang? Well, because their are no fundamental laws, things like 1=2 can occur, which can spawn infinitely (aka the inflation period of the universe) which can create all the matter we have today. On top of that, because it comes from our universe as it is today, when it finally balances out after that instant, we already have all the fundamental laws created.

    Pretty much we are on a loop, forever.
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?
  156. Profile photo of Serpentchick
    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    Diegodefuego, for one thing, if you`re gonna talk about math, you need to understand things like 1+1=2 because of the definitions of 1, +, =, and 2. all are things that we defined, be cause of how we understand things. and the world is not made of complete order, it`s pretty much mostly chaos, it`s just chaos on a level so small you cannot sense it, electrons that we can`t measure, etc. Other than that, we`re still trying to figure it out. To say "because God did it" is considered lazy in the scientific world. If we took that stance, we would still be sacrificing goats to make it rain. We strive to understand what we cannot, and that is a scientist`s job.
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    i knew i shouldn`t have bothered scrolling down to see the comments! SHUT THE HELL UP
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    God seems unusually rational in this comic.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    steve41high. Welcome to a forum, where people talk about whatever the forum is about. if you don`t want to say, read it, I suggest you ignore the forum part of IAB, as all the links, pictures, etc. come before you even see the forum.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    Now this is just funny. Not doing bad things "Cuz it`s kind of a dick thing to do" is pretty much my moral compass right there. My sense of morality is based on empathy for others, not fear of retribution.
    And my word there`s a lot of quoting going on in these comments.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    So no reply to my post, just a vague statement that implies that I`m a blind follower who hasn`t put any thought into what I believe... awesome.
    No, it was an enquiry into how you know God is outside the universe. It seems your justification is "because that`s what I believe", which is a logical dead end, so we`ll have to abandon that.

    Where would logic have come from. Why does 1+1 always equal 2? Why is there gravity? Why does anything make sense? This world is made of complete order, how is that?
    Logic comes from humans.
    1 plus 1 equals 2 because we defined it like that. Humans invented the number system. Why do you think we count in base 10? Because we have 10 fingers.
    The universe does not think "I will make humans fall at 9.81ms^-2". We defined metres, and seconds. It just happens that the laws of gravity emerge to that value when we apply our definitions to it.

    Continued...
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    "Since scientists don`t claim any of those things are definitely completely true, you have no point. Also, only one of the "theories" is actually a theory (big bang). So straight away you show your lack of knowledge of science.

    You are confusing science with religion and then using your incorrect premise to "prove" science is religion. It`s a circular argument - another classic logical fallacy."

    So, you`re contrasting religion to science under the premise that religion`s `faith` requires no evidence to hold, while the belief(or currently argued `faith`) in science does?

    If that`s the case, I can see where you`re coming from. Blind faith vs. supported beliefs are different. Such was in the case of your imaginary hamster deal. However, Christianity DOES have evidence. It may not be empirical like science, but it has other grounds.

    I think your argument for science not being a religion lies under the premise that
  • Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Why does 1+1 always equal 2?

    Because the great being in the sky says so.

    Why is there gravity?

    Because the great being in the sky made it so.

    Why does anything make sense?

    Because the great being in the sky wants things to.

    This world is made of complete order, how is that?

    Because the great being in the sky made it so.

    Does anyone else see why I want a more concrete reality based in evidence rather than a religion?

    Basically, that ENTIRE argument states that the only reason I`m able to sit on the second floor of my house is because the great being in the sky lets me. If he didn`t want me to, I would fall through right now.

    Regardless of how well this house was constructed by human hands, using tested laws of physics to determine the breaking limits of the materials and construction methods.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Why does 1+1 always equal 2?

    Because humans have defined it to do so.

    Why is there gravity?

    Nobody knows yet. We know it`s a property of matter, but not why it is.

    Why does anything make sense?

    Because we make sense of it. What kind of question is that?

    This world is made of complete order, how is that?

    It isn`t.

    I think the bottom line is simply this:

    I`m able to admit when I don`t know an answer.

    You`re not. So you have to fill in the gaps in your knowledge with the all-purpose answer "God did it".

    Your god is your knowledge polyfiller. Since you apply it to the entire collected knowledge of humanity, which is constantly increasing, your god is ignorance. It`s also ever-shrinking.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Diegodefuego, well, for one thing, he could listen to prayers like it says in the bible (assuming you`re talking about the Christian god), or do anything that it says god would do in any religion, assuming that the act does not follow what would normally happen without a God. ANY of that could potentially be used as proof of a God. Also, isn`t the Bible full of instances of miracles? why have none of them happened in the age of photography?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?

    Why not?

    No evidence and no effect, so even if your god exists, it is irrelevant.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    There is gravity because objects with mass exert an attractive force on one another.
    Although I assume you meant the other "why", which assumes that a physical law needs an ultimate reason. It doesn`t. It just is.
    "Why does anything make sense?" is, ironically, a nonsensical question.
    The world is not made of complete order. If you think it is, try to predict when a radioisotopic atom will decay to its daughter product.
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    Do people really pray for stupid sh*t like that? I thought that was just kids.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    However, Christianity DOES have evidence. It may not be empirical like science, but it has other grounds.

    Belief is not evidence, no matter how many people share that belief.
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    @Serpentchick

    Saying the big bang theory created everything isn`t lazy?

    Religion doesn`t work against science. In fact it should encourage it. Science (from a religious perspective) is the discovery of how God made the universe.

    It`s not chaos at all. everything acts in a predictable and rational way according to the physical laws that govern everything. Electrons aren`t chaotic, they just move really fast. They still act according to physics just like everything else.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    I think we`re getting some post redundancy on our side >.< there were at least 3 answers to the 1+1=2 thing
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    "What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?"

    He can`t do that because once he did, then someone will videotape it / report it, it will get submitted to this website, Fancylad will post it, the forums will be awash with arguing over it, and we`ll be RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED AGAIN!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    wow, religious debate again!
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    diegodefuego, we can`t MEASURE electrons. they behave differently when we do. how is that NOT chaos. also the big bang didn`t create anything. matter already existed before it, it was just a singularity (you can think of it like a black hole that exploded) and it`s not lazy because we`ve done measurements and calculations to deduce it, and we`re STILL testing it, using the Large Hadron Collider.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    I also don`t really understand what possible evidence there could be for the existence of God. If God exists, any proof that God exists would have to exist in this world that God created, and would thus require that God existed to have any merit. If God doesn`t exist, clearly any proof of God existing is not valid.
    None of this means that God doesn`t exist, simply that it is logically impossible to prove.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?
    Either of those would be good, yeah. Although the graffiti might not convince me. Depends how it was done.

    Anyway, there`s plenty of things God could do to convince me:
    Appear in a burning bush without the bush being harmed in a controlled environment.
    Turn water into wine (or anything other than H2O) in a controlled environment.
    Turn all the air pink for 24 hours.
    Cure every single person in hospital on 1/1/2011.
    Regenerate an amputee`s limb on request.

    The list goes on.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    well yes, if there was definitive proof of God, God would have to exist...otherwise there would be no proof. That`s circular reasoning. Unless you think proof can exist without the thing it`s proving existing?
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    So there`s no evidence of a god, and that`s why you`re an atheist. Until some evidence is found, you will remain an atheist.

    Well sir, there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist.

    I believe we`ve reached a stalemate.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    God seems unusually rational in this comic.

    I KNOW! I mean, if you listen to the bible, the minute any of those atheists said half that stuff they would have been smited for not worshiping and probably going out to have sodomy-style sex and all that.

    Saying the big bang theory created everything isn`t lazy?

    No, because we`re actively working to prove it. Haven`t you heard? That`s what the whole LHC thing was about, testing to see if we could re-create the Big Bang.

    So no, it`s not lazy, because where YOU are content to answer any questions you don`t know the actual answer to with "because god made it that way," scientists make a theory and then work to prove/disprove it, and if they happen to disprove it, they make a new theory and try again.
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    msieg007 - Then I take it you also believe in Thor, Wotan, Zeus, Apollo, Quetzacoatl, Vishnu, Ra, Allah, and Poseidon (to name but a few)?

    After all, there`s no evidence that they DON`T exist either.
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    BigMordecai Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    Ahh, everyone here is so cute. I am currently working in the fields of science (physics) and find your understanding of the big bang rudimentary and most of you who have faith in "science", I use the term not to denote religion but essentially to assume it is true, seem to think it is deterministic in all senses which is currently unfounded in QM. The religious seem to claim that their is some great mover based on well there could be. However, both miss a fundamental question, why are people moral? Let`s assume no God. What is "moral"? Why did religious beliefs dominate the world in most successful cultures archaically (this obviously no longer pertains to today). I submit there are several ways of defining morality and redefining morality. For example one could say Moral essentially are developed in order to stabilize civilizations, whose structure is more successful then smaller group. Have a go at that; its more useful.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    There`s no stalemate. The scientists are still out there looking for proof. The way science works is you have hypotheses (there is a god, there is not a god, water cannot run uphill, water can run uphill, etc.) and although people may lean towards one side or the other, no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis. it`s only a stalemate if we stop looking, which is why scientists are scared of the belief "god did it" because that usually stops all progress of study and understanding.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist.

    By that logic you must also believe in unicorns, elves, santa claus, the easter bunny along with every other possible entity that could ever be imagined by anyone, ever, since "there is no proof that they don`t exist"

    Stalemate? No. You can take either defeat or insanity, it`s up to you.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    Well sir, there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist.

    The only problem with a belief like that is, if you listen to the holy texts and all that, there will NEVER be proof of god.

    Because god wants you to BELIEVE as opposed to having actual evidence.

    Which is basically just one HUGE BS cop-out answer to all the people requesting proof of god`s existence.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    Oh, and don`t forget leprechauns, zombies, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Great A`Tuin, Harry Potter, the one ring to rule them all, Jack Bauer, Lara Croft, Mario, Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha...

    There`s no evidence that they don`t exist.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    BigMordecai, we discussed morality already. Not sure if we convinced anyone, but we did already discuss it.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    hey, don`t you DARE insult Nessy. That`s just wrong. She never hurt you.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Hmph, I`ve clearly been slacking, a whole 8 pages and I`m only just finding this thing. Tsk tsk Baal.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    I submit that there is more evidence of Harry Potter than there is of the xian god.
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    Raberboom Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    "Do people really pray for stupid sh*t like that? I thought that was just kids."

    Yes people do, and it doesn`t work just like any other prayer.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    hey, don`t you DARE insult Nessy. That`s just wrong. She never hurt you.
    I`m Scottish, we get to ride her round Loch Ness once a year :P

    Hmph, I`ve clearly been slacking, a whole 8 pages and I`m only just finding this thing. Tsk tsk Baal.
    A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES!
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    "no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis."
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Not even gonna read the comments.....Simply put this is awsome.....People living for themselves instead of finding an excuse to do the right thing.....
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    "no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis."

    Then why did you just come out with that crap about "there`s no proof God DOESN`T exist"?
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    doodledaniel Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    Its kinda stupid how religious and non religious people explode into argument on the internet so easily but there`s really no point. Its like a blind person and a deaf person arguing over whether painting is better or if music is better. so pointless
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Damni...I said i wasnt going to read the comments and I did....

    I think its funny that those that are trying to fight the "Theres no proof of god" retaliate with "theres no proof of NO god"....Lets see....Proof of god list....None....Proof of no god list....Not here, not seen, not heard, not felt.......But yet we still fight wars over the clouds in the sky....

    What is even more impressive, is that each thing that used to be a staple of God, such as living in the sky....Each time science unarguable disproves it, becomes a metaphor for god instead of the fact...God hasnt killed Satan...BUT WILL SOMEDAY....
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    I never said I was right. I also never said you were wrong. Nor did I call you ignorant, or insane, or make any other childish insult.

    stalemate: any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made

    You`re not going to change what I think, and I`m not going to change what you think. Therefore, we`ve reached a stalemate. Good day sir.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Its kinda stupid how religious and non religious people explode into argument on the internet so easily but there`s really no point. Its like a blind person and a deaf person arguing over whether painting is better or if music is better. so pointless

    Nope. It`s safer than, say... bars.

    Anyway we need more exposure on these ideas.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    it`s only a stalemate if both sides refuse to change their opinion if new data surfaces, or if both sides refuse to accept current correct data. If I saw proof of a Christian God, I would accept his existance. If I saw proof of a Hindi God, I would accept that too. Would you accept proof of No God?
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    I also don`t see why people are mad that there`s a discussion, or think it`s stupid. At the moment I am highly entertained, and just wish I didn`t have to leave in less than an hour. That`s what IAB is for, right?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    stalemate: any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made

    You`re not going to change what I think, and I`m not going to change what you think. Therefore, we`ve reached a stalemate. Good day sir.

    I suppose by that logic, your defeat is a stalemate, because well... you can`t progress anywhere when you`ve already lost.
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    sugarhyped Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    i dont know why i read god prefers athletes... its similar i guess.
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    "Belief is not evidence, no matter how many people share that belief."

    You must have an odd definition of belief. Everything is based on belief. Even if I touch something and tell you it`s cold, my belief lies in my 5 senses. Empirical evidence requires belief in empiricism first in order to be viable.

    The `evidence` I spoke of is all purported. God wrote a book, God sent his son, etc. They have something to hold onto other than blind faith was what I meant.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    God wrote a book, God sent his son

    First you must prove that there is a god before this `evidence` of yours is accepted.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    Sigh but what to argue with, the idea that any of the three things mentioned are true (statistically the religious are healthier (panel 1), more socially adept (panel 2), and ... don`t live in Warzones I guess is the point of 3... (Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheists on earth. Top 4 in 1991. If it`s about wars they join specifically, the example used above, keep in mind Israel has conscription. They`ll join in the Holy War just the same).

    Feel free to argue it isn`t a holy war though. Keep in mind I`ll remember this when it is inconvenient for you.

    As for the forums, I`ll join in properly when it isn`t 2am. :P
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    "Would you accept proof of No God?" Yes. Have any? Thought not.

    @LazyMe484: I`ve come to the realization that we`re engaging in a centuries old debate that seems to start anew any time anything remotely religious surfaces on IAB. In short, we`re arguing over the internet, so we`re all losers here. Peace out, loser.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    Do you have proof God actually did those things? I`m fairly certain there is no proof he did it except that it`s written in the book he did. That`s about at much evidence as me writing in here that I invented the banana split, since there are many OTHER books with many OTHER religions in them saying their god did OTHER things.
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    Not really that funny, just okay.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    There is almost enough evidence against the Christian God`s existence to make it a theory, unless you assume he doesn`t follow anything in the bible and is in fact not going to listen to prayers, not help people in need, did not actually flood the world, did not actually do all the things it said in the bible that would leave any proof, and otherwise wants us to rely on our senses that he gave us to show no proof of him.
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    OrangeMomo Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    ugh.. how about everyone tries to b a good, responsible person.. n we all get along?
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    the only thing science CAN NOT prove is something that is so outside of physics, the universe, our senses, our measurement devices, and that plays absolutely NO PART in our world that it is at all noticeable. that does not sound like a very active God.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    "God hasnt killed Satan...BUT WILL SOMEDAY..."

    I had a discussion with a devote catholic on this point. My position was/is what if God and Satan where the same "person". Similar to older beliefs that `underworld` judged your actions in this world determined your fate in the next. Of I also hold that there is only one plane/world/dimension to our existence as well. So take that as you may, for I have no intention of reconciling this two divergent points of view.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    However, I myself believe in a God and a Goddess. I hug a tree because it is part of nature and I thank nature for what it has given me. I do not NEED science to prove my religion right, and if it proves it wrong I will still hug trees and thank the universe for what I have. THAT is faith. THAT SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH SCIENTIFIC FACT. To say anything MUST exists without proof is wrong.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    Come on Baal. How many times on here have you pointed out that correlation does not imply causation? They specifically say at the end of that report "it cannot be said that religious attendance increases life expectancy".

    And the third panel is about the justifications used for war. It doesn`t matter how many times people say "I fight for <deity>!". Once is more than zero.

    Although I`m not really sure why the third panel was included - atheists just have different justifications when they go to war. Seems a strange point to include to me.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    Lets see the forums actually.

    1) Evidence is not proof.
    If any of you were half the scientists you regularly claim to be on the internet, you would understand the difference and accept that there is plenty of evidence both for and against God.

    This is because evidence is a catchall phrase which includes any hints towards a conclusion without verifying it.

    2) Proof, would be nice, but you don`t have any, of your computer, let alone God.

    The proof that you are demanding, is impossible to provide to a level that is satisfactory.

    Nihilism, is easy. It is the 2 year old child going "Why?" every time you answer their previous question.

    When a scientist runs out of answers, you claim it is his wisdom, and humility that allows him to say "I don`t know". When it is the religious, it is ignorance.

    That is a personal psychiatric problem with bias, not a philosophical one.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    it is only ignorance when they say "I don`t know, nor do I want to know" or "God did it and I will not accept any evidence to the contrary"
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Almighty:
    Plenty of times. :) However, the panel suggests the opposite correlation should occur. I`m pointing out that it doesn`t, which in turn then requires you either justify the negative correlation, or concede that the first panel may be inaccurate.

    Which for the purposes at 2:30 in the morning, is good enough. :P
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    I also contend God ( if there is one) is not an active part of our existence. For the simple fact we are still confined to A planet, in A solar system, which in turn is in A galaxy in the universe. Where there is innumerable amount of plants, solar systems, and galaxies. That would be and probably way more interesting than our little speck in the dark little corner of pretty much nothing. As The Hitchhikes Guide to the Galaxy listed us as `mostly harmless`.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    When a scientist runs out of answers, you claim it is his wisdom, and humility that allows him to say "I don`t know". When it is the religious, it is ignorance.


    But the problem is, when they don`t say "I don`t know," They say "because god made it so."

    Which IS ignorance. Because it stalls progress.

    "I can`t answer a question, so instead of owning up and trying to find an answer, the great being in the sky will be my answer."
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    Serpentchick:

    Agreed on that, so long as we`re taking on personal responsibility here and not just making broad brushstrokes, I`m happy.

    Angilion:
    Would you mind shooting me an email if you see this? I have a couple of questions.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    Oh, I guess Serpent answered more or less the same way I did... Okay, I was a little late to the punch.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    Personal Responsibility is always of high importance, one of the reasons why I dislike the people that think that religion frees them of it, as I`ve known some people to believe. No matter what you believe, you are responsible for yourself and your actions towards the world.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    it`s ok altaru, there`ve been multiple answers for a LOT of posts on here.
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    Serpentchick Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Anywhoo, I`ve gotta go, so keep up the awesome debate, I`m gonna come back and read it all with a bucket of popcorn :P
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    Alt:

    1) Ignorance and ignore have the same root. There`s a reason. When defining ignorance, this is important.

    2) The problem, is genuine ignorance. I, a theist, can agree with that. I disagree, as always with applying the statement wholesale to theists.

    If the problem is ignorance, say the problem is ignorance, give a specific example that isn`t applied to 4 billion people.


    Maybe a real world example will help:
    If you give a guy the finger for cutting you off, no one gives a poo. If you rent a 30 second Superbowl Ad slot with nothing but your finger and your phone number in response to being cut off that one day, you are an imbecile to not expect many angry responses, and quite frankly your calls for wanting any kind of reasoned conversation about traffic problems tends to seem a tad hypocritical.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    Aright, I`m off to bed too, will try to reread in the morning.

    Keep it nice and toasty.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    Who needs a god when the answer to everything is 42?

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    May 3, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    I prefew The Family Circus. I just love those cartoons with the "Not Me" ghosts... you know the ones i`m talking about.
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    I believe God is above the physical laws because i believe he created them. I believe he created time and logic and the physical world. - DiegoDeFuego
    I`m with Diego on this one. God created the Big Band, ok? Can`t prove OR disprove that. He created the Laws of the Universe and He chooses to obey them, k?
    Or not, idk, lolz!
    After I die I`ll go ask Him, or I`ll cease to exist. I like the asking outcome a lot better.
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    matsuri_aka Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    Hey BrimstoneOne, it was nice at least that God apologized. For the inconvenience.
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    gothmo Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    hah I like that
    the whole war thing is true >>
    though still Agnostic
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?
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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    Class.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?
    And the devil created rock.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    @Baalthazag

    I believe that this cartoon is aimed at people who belong to organized religions, not just "theists", or people who believe that there is a god. That is a completely different argument.

    And we all know what problems come with organized religions, to deny them is to deny world history.

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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    @ 5cats, just because you like something doesn`t make it true or untrue.
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    The art reminds me of Superjail.
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    Pingas Male 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    This is epic and makes sense.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    I`d totally make this into a t-shirt but I`m pretty sure my Mom would take it as a passive agressive stab at her faith.

    Hmm... could be a win/win.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    > almightybob1
    > And the devil created rock.

    Bullpoo! KISS told me "God Gave Rock`n`Roll To You" and a clean-living, respectable well-dressed band like KISS wouldn`t lie.
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    MizzMe Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    God looks scarewy in this strip.
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    i love this so hard.
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    god`s face reminds me of superjail
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    EPIC wIN
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    @Lionhart2
    :D....Kiss...lawl
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    Ah, yes. I just love having 1000 year old blood on my hands from people who just share the same religion with me even though I`ve never tried to oppress anyone and was... oh idk... born centuries later...
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    Run for your life! It`s a flame war!!
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    @CRA-Z HEART That`s great because according to the Bible, we are ALL responsible for the sins of our fathers, and I`m not just talking about the whole apple "knowledge-is-a-bad-thing" story. The Bible mentions it in other places. Also, perhaps you haven`t looked around at the world today, cuz it`s not like religious wars have STOPPED now have they?
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    @CRA-Z-HEART but what is Christianity up to today? (Maybe not you specifically but as a whole)

    Still trying to oppress gays
    Trying to stop US from sending Condoms to Africa
    Trying to stop Sex Ed
    Still preaching Sexist Religious Tenants
    Trying to stop the teaching of Evolution
    Etc...

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    May 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?
    Yup, and Rock&Roll of course! Almightybob, the Devil created Disco, eh?
    Ah the typo, endlessly amusing! Lolz! And so plentyful here at IAB.
    @NotTHATbored right, it`s faith, it doesn`t need proof. Just like tapioca pudding, just because I like it OR don`t like it doesn`t affect you at all. No amount of discussion will change that, lolz!
    "The truth is in the pudding" - 5Cats
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    looks like msieg007 couldn`t take the pressure. My gentle poking was enough to unseat him.

    Proof, would be nice, but you don`t have any, of your computer, let alone God.

    So then, why are you a theist?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    What are atheists up to today?

    1) Antagonizing people of faith.
    2) Trying to take any mention of `God` out of everything.
    3) Objecting to a cross built by WW1 vets waaay out in the desert.
    4) Ten commandments anywhere, Thy sue.
    5) Omg! It`s a nativity scene it must be removed!
    6) Intelligent Design ?! That`s blasphem... err heres... err Bad science.
    7) Obama had a prayer at his inauguration ? Sue!
    8) Oh, It`s a muslim tradition ? Never mind, Continue on.
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    @crakrjak... /agree
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    Well, this debate was clearly worthwhile. So sad I missed most of it.
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    May 3, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    CrakrJak... I love you.
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:23 pm
    Wow well maby u ppl need to find the truth in......Scientology!!!! THE DARK LORD ZENU WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DONT!!!
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    Rawrandmer Female 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    @CrakrJak:

    1) I`ve never told anyone that their beliefs were wrong. I`ve never tried selling my beliefs to anyone, either. The only time I get defensive is when someone tries to tell me that what I believe is wrong. Other than that, I don`t really care what anyone believes in, so I don`t usually talk about religion or faith. I don`t antagonize anyone.

    2)I don`t pledge to the United States simply because I do not wish to pledge `under God`. That doesn`t mean I want to take the words `under God` out of the pledge. I don`t care if God is everywhere, I`m not going to make a huge deal about it. I just simply don`t associate myself with it.

    3)I don`t give a darn if they built a cross. It doesn`t matter to me. It doesn`t have direct impact on my life. Why object? They can do as they please. Just don`t say my beliefs are wrong.

    4) Ten Commandments are all over my house. My family is religious. It doesn`t bother me a bit. I`m not going to sue because someone
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    Rawrandmer Female 13-17
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    (4 continued) show their love/support/faith in God.

    5) Nativity scenes are kinda pretty and don`t bother me, either. Again, freedom of religion. I think its nice when people decorate during holidays with nativity scenes and what-not. I just choose not to. It doesn`t bother me.

    7) He can pray if he wants to. I don`t care.

    So really, your list doesn`t apply to all atheists.

    And I don`t mean this as a personal attack, it just offended me a bit, even it was a joke.
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    mogman45 Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:41 pm
    Did you know that Jesus or Paul didn`t say things like column left? They just did what was biblical and geared results to God.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    Crakrjak, you know that same list could be used by an atheist to describe religious people by just changing a few words.
    You can`t really accuse someone of antagonizing when you`re currently doing it yourself. Or well, you can, if you`re a hypocrite.
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    Rawrandmer: Never said it `applied to all atheists`, You seem to be a rarity among them though.

    Those were mainly headlines in newspapers, Mainly to compare and contrast to NotTHATbored`s list.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    @CrakrJak

    1)This isn`t what atheists do, it`s what a*sholes do.
    2)How would you like it if whenever you wanted to pledge your allegiance to the country you love you had to also pledge allegiance to someone elses god? Honestly you drating smart-ass prick, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?
    3) Once again, a*sholes, not atheists.
    4) Anywhere government related. You may wish for the dark ages to return, I don`t.
    5) A*sholes, like you, not atheists.
    6) Bad science? No, it`s NOT science. Believe whatever the drat you want, but teaching ID as science is like teaching lord of the drating rings as history or star wars as astronomy.
    7) A*shole, not atheist. This is getting old, get a drating clue you moron.
    8) There`s no way you can be this drating stupid. I just got trolled didn`t I? drat!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    moefreak: I don`t see Christians, Jews, Hindu`s, or Buddhists using lawsuits as a way of harassing Atheists. (At least not in America)

    We are guaranteed the freedom OF religion. Not freedom FROM religion. I don`t believe in Buddha, But I`m not suing my local Chinese restaurant because they have statues and pictures of him. I simply don`t care, I view it as art and that`s all. I don`t `feel` oppressed by the presence of Buddha statue either.

    Therefore, If your a true atheist, You shouldn`t be offended by religious art either. You shouldn`t `feel` oppressed at the sight of a Buddha, Cross, Star of David, Menorah, Shiva, Jesus, or nativity scene. In short, If you don`t believe in `God`, If he`s really only an `Imaginary friend` then you`d view a nativity scene no different than a leprechaun, cupid, or tooth fairy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:18 pm
    Zerocyde: You seem to be calling a lot of your fellow atheists `a*sholes`. And yes, These are atheists doing the things in that list. Are you sure you still want to be associated with them ?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    Therefore, If your a true atheist, You shouldn`t be offended by religious art either. You shouldn`t `feel` oppressed at the sight of a Buddha, Cross, Star of David, Menorah, Shiva, Jesus, or nativity scene. In short, If you don`t believe in `God`, If he`s really only an `Imaginary friend` then you`d view a nativity scene no different than a leprechaun, cupid, or tooth fairy.

    Except when it`s connected with government, because then it`s an attempt to gain political power for the religion.

    Or when it`s in schools, because then it`s an attempt to condition children.

    None of your list is the clear-cut persecution you`re making it out to be. You`re just seeking socio-political power another way, by making your favoured group out to be a victim group.

    It`s not the religion I object to. It`s the constant seeking of power over others.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 3, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    Hey Zero, let`s hold back on the personal attacks dude. Debate is all healthy and good, and so far pretty civil, let`s please keep it that way. Thx!
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    ** added to faves
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    May 4, 2010 at 1:02 am
    Angilion: In what way do Christians have `power` over atheists, Really ? The only `power` I guess you could say we have is that the majority of our population believe in God in one form or another.

    The government isn`t saying, "You must believe in a Christian God`, `Jewish God`, `Buddha God`, `Muslim God`, or `Spaghetti Monster God`. The government doesn`t even state you must believe in God at all. No one in America is forced to believe one way or another, By the government. Maybe your parents tried to force you, But they aren`t `the government`.

    The religions in this country are quite diverse. No `one` religion or church can possibly claim to have `power` over the government. Christians may be the majority, But even we are quite diverse in our political opinions. Every group of people wants political power, Including atheists. Only atheists disproportionally choose to file lawsuits instead of lobbying legislators.
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    entwife Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 2:11 am
    This made my night. Best. Comic. Ever.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 3:36 am
    LOL this is so funny.

    and zerocyde? dude, if argue back with valid points, people will respect your opinion . if you swear and insult people, youll just look like a giant douche.

    just sayin`
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 3:48 am
    Crakr:
    1) We`re sorry if questioning your beliefs antagonises you.
    2) Not out of everything full stop. Out of everything issued by or belonging to the US government (eg money), in keeping with the constitutional separation of church of state. You are welcome to mention God as much as you like in church.
    3) Haven`t heard about that one.
    4) See 2.
    5) See 2.
    6) It`s not bad science, because it`s not science. It`s religion. See Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District.
    7) See 2.
    8) Stoning to death is a traditional punishment in Islam but nobody is saying "go right ahead". But I have yet to see "In Allah We Trust" on a US bill.
    There are no state-sponsored messages supporting Islam. They are welcome to practice their traditions, just as you are welcome to, as long as the US government does not endorse either.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 3:53 am
    The government isn`t saying, "You must believe in a Christian God`, `Jewish God`, `Buddha God`, `Muslim God`, or `Spaghetti Monster God`. The government doesn`t even state you must believe in God at all. No one in America is forced to believe one way or another, By the government. Maybe your parents tried to force you, But they aren`t `the government`.

    Not the issue. By putting "in God we trust" on money and the Ten Commandments in courtrooms, the US government is placing messages of support of Yahweh. The Supreme Court has already said this is unconstitutional:
    Justice Souter, Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 1994 - "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 4:03 am
    Wow... Ok don`t think you should be forced to say "under god" but until its removed from the pledge if you don`t like the words "under god" here`s some quick and easy solutions any one can do ( correction apparently almost anyone since this is even a drating issue).

    #1 Under god is extremely interpretive (don`t even see how they have a case against it), we all worship something(s), whether its money knowledge,power,respect,pain or literally God so calm down no ones attacking. Be open minded.

    #2 Don`t say the "under god" part.

    #3 Protest its presence by doing #2 or by NOT PLEDGING!

    I would actually hope that they do make these changes, so we get to see how retarded this country gets when they`re forced to make changes every time some group gets their panties in a bunch. I mean seriously, a pledge which fortunately your no longer obligated to say is destroying your way of life, some people are sooooo petty.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 4:14 am
    almightybob1: Again Bob, The government does not sponsor any one `religion`. It does, However, Acknowledge a `Creator` and that`s a rather broad term that encompasses the beliefs of most people on the earth.

    The `separation of church and state` Was so that no one religion, church, denomination, or sect would be favored by the state. This comes from the fact that England, Whom we separated ourselves from, Did have state religion Anglican (Episcopal). It is very clear though that Americas founding fathers shared a Judeo-Christian belief in God and included honoring him in most ceremonies. We still do today, Congress opens with a prayer every morning (With varying religious chaplains). Oaths of office are still taken with one hand on the bible. Crosses and Stars of David cover Arlington cemetery. `God` is carved in stone on most of our national monuments and is mentioned in most all state constitutions.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 4:15 am
    "Ten Commandments in courtrooms"
    Wow at taking offense to a set of moral codes being @ a courthouse, it`s not like they look at it and says look like you violated #4 that`s 10-15 year its just a symbol...

    So I`m guessing your equally offended at lady justice (the Roman goddess of justice) being at a courthouse as well?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 4:20 am
    The issue of prayer was first brought up at the first continental congress. It wasn`t that founders objected to prayer, They just couldn`t chose who it would be since there were several denominations.

    Samuel Adams, the Father of the American Revolution, "arose," according to John Adams` account, "and said that he was no bigot, and could hear a Prayer from any gentleman of Piety and virtue, who was at the same time a friend to his Country."

    Rev. Jacob Duche`, was prevailed upon to open the next morning`s session in prayer and opened with Psalm 35 — "Contend, O Lord, with those who contend with me"

    A very apt and inclusive prayer for all present there.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:06 am
    @mischeif954, So. You`re from the south I see.
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    Blakcat71388 Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:09 am
    Hah! This made me laugh.

    But the religious debates make me laugh harder. It`s the same arguments on every post that mentions god or religion or whatever. Why don`t you all just say "ditto from last time"? It`s easier.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:22 am
    @Zerocyde, many of those things Crackr mentioned do not go hand-in-hand with Atheism. Not every Atheist has a hissy-fit because someone has a nativity scene on their lawn or pesters Christians who were minding their own business, but to be fair doesn`t the comic make the same mistake? Praying instead of doing, stealing simply because the bible said not to and starting wars are not traits you can assign to every single Christian. They are traits you can assign to assh*les, not directly to christians.

    I`m not in the least bit offended by the comic because I understand the concept of a joke, I`m just saying.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:35 am
    What does me being from the south have anything to do with what I said?

    Oh didn`t see you`re from Canada.... sorry.
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    Puddingbrood Male 13-17
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    May 4, 2010 at 6:07 am
    @Crackr:
    There are Christians antagonizing people of no faith too, what`s the difference?
    Are you sure YOU still want to be associated with Christians?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 6:28 am
    "It is very clear though that Americas founding fathers shared a Judeo-Christian belief in God and included honoring him in most ceremonies."
    ----------
    Not so clear to me or the Constitution. You seem to allow your beliefs to affect the truth.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 4, 2010 at 6:33 am
    A christian/statist and an atheist/anarchist walk into a bar.....
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 4, 2010 at 6:37 am
    @CrakrJak

    Only atheists disproportionally choose to file lawsuits instead of lobbying legislators.
    It`s kind of hard to lobby the state when you don`t have a lot of money and/or you`re a minority.

    However, the issue of lobbying or not lobbying the state is irrelevant because the state doesn`t have the right to exist in the first place.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 6:55 am
    CrakrJak, I know that comment was waayy back, but I am not offended by religious art. I don`t mind it in the slightest either. As long as it is in a place of worship, a private business or someone`s home. It just doesn`t have any place in government or public buildings.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 7:17 am
    Again Bob, The government does not sponsor any one `religion`. It does, However, Acknowledge a `Creator` and that`s a rather broad term that encompasses the beliefs of most people on the earth.
    Come on Crakr. You`re kidding yourself if you think "In God We Trust" is about anyone other than the Judeo-Christian god Yahweh. Don`t give me that crap about it meaning any Creator, because you and I both know that`s just not true.

    And even if it was promoting any Creator, that`s STILL unconstitutional as ruled by the Supreme Court. Remember what I quoted from Justice Souter?

    "Government should not prefer one religion to another, OR RELIGION TO IRRELIGION".
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    xXKaryXx Female 13-17
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    May 4, 2010 at 8:03 am
    lmfao @AnarchistGod
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 10:37 am
    almightybob1: I don`t see Christians pitching a hissy fit over statues that depict Roman/Greek `Gods` in parks, museums, and other government property. What about the myriad of government buildings built to resemble Greek/Roman temples ?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." You`re forgetting that second part. You`re also forgetting the `..make no law..`

    Displaying the 10 commandments in a courthouse is not `making law`. There is also no `law` stating you must say `under God` in the pledge of allegiance or any `law` stating that `in God we trust` refers specifically to any one religious denominations deity.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 10:40 am
    Moefreak: Religion is embedded in our culture, artwork, statuary, monuments, cemetaries, etc..
    It`s been there for ages and it will stay there.
    Like I said before, If `God` is just `imaginary` to you then it shouldn`t be any more distressful to you than it is for me to see a statue of horus, a painting venus, or a collage of the spaghetti monster.
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    Romybun88 Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 10:45 am
    Well since pmarren hates cats so much i will give my opinion

    Religion = suck!

    haha
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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 11:54 am
    @ CrakrJak, People who worshipped ancient greek gods are long dead. Society moved on and became better. Same will happen to Christianity and Scientology (both the same in the eyes of your government).
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    Ha! all you Christians are just mad that us Atheists are better and your religion than you are.
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    PaganMomBlog Female 30-39
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    May 4, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    @madest many modern day pagans still honor the Greek Gods. Many also honor the Celtic and Egyptian pantheon too. We just don`t run around shoving it in anyone`s face :)
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    @DeutschDude9
    Ha! all you Christians are just mad that us Atheists are better and your religion than you are.
    CrakrJak IQ > DeutschDude9 IQ
    I based this arbitrary status off of the comments below.

    Atheists are usually smarter than Christians, but this is an exception.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Crakr - one more time for good luck:

    The Supreme Court ruled in 1994 that the government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion over irreligion, because it violates the first amendment. Therefore the statement "In God We Trust", regardless of which God it refers to, is unconstitutional. Even if it refers to a general Creator, that is a preference of religion over irreligion. Unless you presume to greater legal knowledge than Justice Souter, your own interpretation is incorrect. The Supreme Court says so. And they are the main interpreters of the Constitution.


    Anyway, the point at which you start trying to seriously pretend that the God referred to in the phrase "in God we trust" is any deity other than the God of the Bible is the point I know you`re prepared to hide behind an outright and obviously transparent lie to protect yourself from admitting you`re wrong.

    So I`m done.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    Haha...although with Atheism comes the alternative "nothing matters" phenomenon that follows materialism. Instead of saying "I`d better do some sit-ups", you might say "Everything is just a mass of atomic particles and any significance it may have was simply arbitrated by someone else".

    Humm...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    almightybob1: "Government should not prefer one religion to another...." is in reference to this Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet and that case had nothing to do with "In God We Trust" printed on our currency.

    It had to do with the funding of a school district designed to coincide with the neighborhood boundaries of a religious group, The Satmars.

    Justice Scalia, in his dissent said, "All its residents also wear unusual dress, have unusual civic customs, and have not much to do with people who are culturally different from them ... it was not theology but dress, language, and cultural alienation that posed the educational problem for the children.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    Btw Bob, The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. money do not violate the Constitution`s separation of church and state, a federal appeals court panel has ruled in San Francisco. 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel

    And this was just recently ruled on from a notoriously liberal minded circuit court.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    @CrakrJak
    "Zerocyde: You seem to be calling a lot of your fellow atheists `a*sholes`. And yes, These are atheists doing the things in that list. Are you sure you still want to be associated with them ? "

    Who the drat said I`m an atheist? They aren`t my `fellows` and yes, a poo load of them are non-nice individuals. Protip: You can be an a*shole and an atheist at the same time, but just because you`re an atheist doesn`t mean you`re an non-nice individual.
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    IQover Male 13-17
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    May 4, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    The only thing that noticed me the second time I came on this post.. Is that God. Looks a hole damn lot like a perv.
    Science flies you to the moon
    Religions flies you trough buildings
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    @Crakr jack, I wouldn`t want the spaghetti monster on a government building either if people actually followed it. Would you?

    It`s not the God statue itself that people don`t like, it`s the thought of religious people putting their markers up on public territory. What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you, would you like that? A lot of Christians wouldn`t and it has nothing to do with them not believing Mohammad was the Profit or whatever. It`s a claim on public land for that religion, which is wrong.

    P.S. just because the Supreme Court ruled one way or the other doesn`t always mean its correct or constitutional, take a look back at some of the decisions it made during and shortly after slavery.

    Also I do not really care what one our founding fathers had to say about prayer. It is irrelevant, especially when societies demographics have changed and it`s no longer religious sect against religious sect but religiou
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    get2chopper Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Societies establish religions, most of the time, to set a base for morality. The writer made atheists out to be being born with generally accepted, modern day ethics. In reality, atheists along with people in other religions, more than not, share similar views on extreme situations(murder, theft, etc.)because of our past religious base in our cultures. Being an atheist myself, I see where the writer is coming from when viewing religious folk using God as a crutch. But, it`s a little unfair. But, I did chuckle. So, Yay.
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    Jesus122500 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    @NotThatbored

    "What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you, would you like that?"

    uhhh, what would this Muslim statue be of? you`d probably just end up getting another amateur car bomber sent by revolutionmuslim
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    almightybob1: I don`t see Christians pitching a hissy fit over statues that depict Roman/Greek `Gods` in parks, museums, and other government property. What about the myriad of government buildings built to resemble Greek/Roman temples ?

    No power, no problem. If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid. Since they don`t wield any power, if they exist at all, the comparison is silly.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    CrakrJak: I`m was going to reply to your post of Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:02:19 AM and the questions in it that you asked of me, but almightybob1 has already replied saying what I would have said.
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    @AnarchistGod

    Sorry for the typo, no need to pull out the big insults. Here I`ll fix the typo

    *at
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 5:53 pm
    @ Angilion, so you`re intimidated by christian influence around you?
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    howlingwolf Male 18-29
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    May 4, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    Don`t know whether this is well put or kind of stretching it. If one is religious whether one is an atheist does not qualify whether one will steal. Moral or divine retribution...neither are really big things for thieves.
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    May 4, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    Awesome. Looks like superjail.
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    Nurcowski Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2010 at 12:04 am
    If a god or god-like entity does exist (one who "created" the entire known universe and possibly more), I`m sure he doesn`t really give a f*** about the tiny little creatures running around on an inconceivably insignificant planet violently arguing about who`s view of the cosmos is correct. We are far too conceited if we think we are special or even unique in this universe. We`re ALL probably incredibly wrong anyways...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2010 at 12:11 am
    What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you...

    They don`t put up statues, At least not since the 17th century when it was decreed that it was blasphemy to depict God or mohammad in any kind of art.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2010 at 12:25 am
    If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid.

    So, The truth finally comes out. It`s not about the `words` or `art`. It`s the fact that Christians are the majority of the population that you really hate.

    You`re forgetting that it`s the tolerant Christian values that allow you to express your belief. So, despite you hating Christian`s power, It`s that power that founded your 1st amendment rights.

    Try expressing your beliefs in Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, or many other countries and they`d stone you or worse.
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    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2010 at 1:21 am
    thats awesome and hilarious
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid.


    So, The truth finally comes out. It`s not about the `words` or `art`. It`s the fact that Christians are the majority of the population that you really hate.

    I`ve quoted both my text and your reply in order to show clearly that your reply doesn`t fit.

    Well done. You`ve finally managed to create a fictional reality in your head in which my opinions are what you want them to be. That is your "truth".

    You see what you want it to see and call it truth. Which is one reason why theism and power is a bad combination.

    I am curious about one thing. Are you do desperate to think people hate you because it makes you feel like a martyr, or is it purely because of the power you can gain from claiming to be a victim? Or both? In other words, are your motives religious, politic
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    May 5, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    @ Angilion, so you`re intimidated by christian influence around you?

    Of course. Why on earth wouldn`t I be - if they had enough power, I`d be executed. Not so much around here, because Christianity isn`t currently a power-seeking religion in England, but that could easily change.

    I`ll say it again, as it`s my key point: POWER. It`s the combination of religion and power that worries me. I don`t care if people worship whatever deity or deities they happen to believe in. That`s their business. I do care when they have power, either individually or collectively. Christianity and Islam are particularly bad for that, because seeking as much power as possible over as many people as possible has been built into them both.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    May 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    @ Angilion if that`s your line of argument then your only kidding yourself. If that were the case atheism and power would create the same results, anyone not willing to follow an atheist ideology would be killed. So what it basically comes down to is you fear anything of power that you are not associated with. To be honest it sounds like:

    "You fear what you don`t understand, and hate what you can`t conquer."
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    Skim Female 13-17
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    May 5, 2010 at 9:04 pm
    Of course, this post gets plenty of LOOONNNG-ass comments.
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    ThorgTheBuff Male 18-29
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    May 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    Atheists don`t give a poo.
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    Huanter Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2010 at 8:44 am
    lol
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    NoxiousNan Female 40-49
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    May 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    @mischeif954 This isn’t math and atheism doesn’t equal theism. Sheesh! Your response to angilion was insane. I have no idea why he thinks Christians might want to kill him, and surely he’s being overly dramatic…unless he’s a homosexual living in Uganda, of course. Uganda is an excellent and timely reason for people to be nervous about Christian power.

    There is no reason whatsoever to believe that one would, in turn, have to fear the power of atheists. Atheists lack belief in a god or gods. That is what we have in common with one another. We do not have an ideology. We do not have rules that we…and everyone else…must follow.

    You’re being ignorant and ridiculous.
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