Did You Know God Prefers Atheists? [Pic]

Submitted by: yzarc_jr 7 years ago in Funny

You know, it a way, this comic makes a lot of sense--God really probably does prefer atheists to every other religion.
There are 321 comments:
Female 1
@mischeif954 This isn’t math and atheism doesn’t equal theism. Sheesh! Your response to angilion was insane. I have no idea why he thinks Christians might want to kill him, and surely he’s being overly dramatic…unless he’s a homosexual living in Uganda, of course. Uganda is an excellent and timely reason for people to be nervous about Christian power.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that one would, in turn, have to fear the power of atheists. Atheists lack belief in a god or gods. That is what we have in common with one another. We do not have an ideology. We do not have rules that we…and everyone else…must follow.

You’re being ignorant and ridiculous.
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Male 16
lol
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Male 18
Atheists don`t give a poo.
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Female 250
Of course, this post gets plenty of LOOONNNG-ass comments.
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Male 764
@ Angilion if that`s your line of argument then your only kidding yourself. If that were the case atheism and power would create the same results, anyone not willing to follow an atheist ideology would be killed. So what it basically comes down to is you fear anything of power that you are not associated with. To be honest it sounds like:

"You fear what you don`t understand, and hate what you can`t conquer."
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Male 12,365
[quote]@ Angilion, so you`re intimidated by christian influence around you?[/quote]

Of course. Why on earth wouldn`t I be - if they had enough power, I`d be executed. Not so much around here, because Christianity isn`t currently a power-seeking religion in England, but that could easily change.

I`ll say it again, as it`s my key point: POWER. It`s the combination of religion and power that worries me. I don`t care if people worship whatever deity or deities they happen to believe in. That`s their business. I do care when they have power, either individually or collectively. Christianity and Islam are particularly bad for that, because seeking as much power as possible over as many people as possible has been built into them both.
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Male 12,365
[quote]If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid.[/quote]


[quote]So, The truth finally comes out. It`s not about the `words` or `art`. It`s the fact that Christians are the majority of the population that you really hate. [/quote]

I`ve quoted both my text and your reply in order to show clearly that your reply doesn`t fit.

Well done. You`ve finally managed to create a fictional reality in your head in which my opinions are what you want them to be. That is your "truth".

You see what you want it to see and call it truth. Which is one reason why theism and power is a bad combination.

I am curious about one thing. Are you do desperate to think people hate you because it makes you feel like a martyr, or is it purely because of the power you can gain from claiming to be a victim? Or both? In other words, are your motives religious, politic
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Male 260
thats awesome and hilarious
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Male 17,512
[quote]If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid.[/quote]

So, The truth finally comes out. It`s not about the `words` or `art`. It`s the fact that Christians are the majority of the population that you really hate.

You`re forgetting that it`s the tolerant Christian values that allow you to express your belief. So, despite you hating Christian`s power, It`s that power that founded your 1st amendment rights.

Try expressing your beliefs in Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, or many other countries and they`d stone you or worse.
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Male 17,512
[quote]What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you...[/quote]

They don`t put up statues, At least not since the 17th century when it was decreed that it was blasphemy to depict God or mohammad in any kind of art.
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Male 264
If a god or god-like entity does exist (one who "created" the entire known universe and possibly more), I`m sure he doesn`t really give a f*** about the tiny little creatures running around on an inconceivably insignificant planet violently arguing about who`s view of the cosmos is correct. We are far too conceited if we think we are special or even unique in this universe. We`re ALL probably incredibly wrong anyways...
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Male 537
Awesome. Looks like superjail.
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Male 1,351
Don`t know whether this is well put or kind of stretching it. If one is religious whether one is an atheist does not qualify whether one will steal. Moral or divine retribution...neither are really big things for thieves.
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Male 764
@ Angilion, so you`re intimidated by christian influence around you?
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Male 472
@AnarchistGod

Sorry for the typo, no need to pull out the big insults. Here I`ll fix the typo

*at
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Male 12,365
CrakrJak: I`m was going to reply to your post of Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:02:19 AM and the questions in it that you asked of me, but almightybob1 has already replied saying what I would have said.
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Male 12,365
[quote]almightybob1: I don`t see Christians pitching a hissy fit over statues that depict Roman/Greek `Gods` in parks, museums, and other government property. What about the myriad of government buildings built to resemble Greek/Roman temples ?[/quote]

No power, no problem. If Graeco-Roman theists wielded anything like the social and political power that Christians wield, the comparison would be valid. Since they don`t wield any power, if they exist at all, the comparison is silly.
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Male 24
@NotThatbored

"What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you, would you like that?"

uhhh, what would this Muslim statue be of? you`d probably just end up getting another amateur car bomber sent by revolutionmuslim
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Male 18
Societies establish religions, most of the time, to set a base for morality. The writer made atheists out to be being born with generally accepted, modern day ethics. In reality, atheists along with people in other religions, more than not, share similar views on extreme situations(murder, theft, etc.)because of our past religious base in our cultures. Being an atheist myself, I see where the writer is coming from when viewing religious folk using God as a crutch. But, it`s a little unfair. But, I did chuckle. So, Yay.
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Female 1,101
@Crakr jack, I wouldn`t want the spaghetti monster on a government building either if people actually followed it. Would you?

It`s not the God statue itself that people don`t like, it`s the thought of religious people putting their markers up on public territory. What if a bunch of Muslims wanted to put up a religious statue in a public park near you, would you like that? A lot of Christians wouldn`t and it has nothing to do with them not believing Mohammad was the Profit or whatever. It`s a claim on public land for that religion, which is wrong.

P.S. just because the Supreme Court ruled one way or the other doesn`t always mean its correct or constitutional, take a look back at some of the decisions it made during and shortly after slavery.

Also I do not really care what one our founding fathers had to say about prayer. It is irrelevant, especially when societies demographics have changed and it`s no longer religious sect against religious sect but religiou
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Male 1,043
The only thing that noticed me the second time I came on this post.. Is that God. Looks a hole damn lot like a perv.
Science flies you to the moon
Religions flies you trough buildings
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Male 3,255
@CrakrJak
"Zerocyde: You seem to be calling a lot of your fellow atheists `a*sholes`. And yes, These are atheists doing the things in that list. Are you sure you still want to be associated with them ? "

Who the drat said I`m an atheist? They aren`t my `fellows` and yes, a poo load of them are non-nice individuals. Protip: You can be an a*shole and an atheist at the same time, but just because you`re an atheist doesn`t mean you`re an non-nice individual.
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Male 17,512
Btw Bob, The phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. money do not violate the Constitution`s separation of church and state, a federal appeals court panel has ruled in San Francisco. 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel

And this was just recently ruled on from a notoriously liberal minded circuit court.
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Male 17,512
almightybob1: "Government should not prefer one religion to another...." is in reference to this Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet and that case had nothing to do with "In God We Trust" printed on our currency.

It had to do with the funding of a school district designed to coincide with the neighborhood boundaries of a religious group, The Satmars.

Justice Scalia, in his dissent said, "All its residents also wear unusual dress, have unusual civic customs, and have not much to do with people who are culturally different from them ... it was not theology but dress, language, and cultural alienation that posed the educational problem for the children.

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Male 601
Haha...although with Atheism comes the alternative "nothing matters" phenomenon that follows materialism. Instead of saying "I`d better do some sit-ups", you might say "Everything is just a mass of atomic particles and any significance it may have was simply arbitrated by someone else".

Humm...
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Male 4,290
Crakr - one more time for good luck:

The Supreme Court ruled in 1994 that the government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion over irreligion, because it violates the first amendment. Therefore the statement "In God We Trust", regardless of which God it refers to, is unconstitutional. Even if it refers to a general Creator, that is a preference of religion over irreligion. Unless you presume to greater legal knowledge than Justice Souter, your own interpretation is incorrect. The Supreme Court says so. And they are the main interpreters of the Constitution.


Anyway, the point at which you start trying to seriously pretend that the God referred to in the phrase "in God we trust" is any deity other than the God of the Bible is the point I know you`re prepared to hide behind an outright and obviously transparent lie to protect yourself from admitting you`re wrong.

So I`m done.
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Male 893
@DeutschDude9
[quote]Ha! all you Christians are just mad that us Atheists are better and your religion than you are.[/quote]
CrakrJak IQ > DeutschDude9 IQ
I based this arbitrary status off of the comments below.

Atheists are usually smarter than Christians, but this is an exception.
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Female 48
@madest many modern day pagans still honor the Greek Gods. Many also honor the Celtic and Egyptian pantheon too. We just don`t run around shoving it in anyone`s face :)
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Male 472
Ha! all you Christians are just mad that us Atheists are better and your religion than you are.
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Male 7,378
@ CrakrJak, People who worshipped ancient greek gods are long dead. Society moved on and became better. Same will happen to Christianity and Scientology (both the same in the eyes of your government).
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Female 65
Well since pmarren hates cats so much i will give my opinion

Religion = suck!

haha
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Male 17,512
Moefreak: Religion is embedded in our culture, artwork, statuary, monuments, cemetaries, etc..
It`s been there for ages and it will stay there.
Like I said before, If `God` is just `imaginary` to you then it shouldn`t be any more distressful to you than it is for me to see a statue of horus, a painting venus, or a collage of the spaghetti monster.
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Male 17,512
almightybob1: I don`t see Christians pitching a hissy fit over statues that depict Roman/Greek `Gods` in parks, museums, and other government property. What about the myriad of government buildings built to resemble Greek/Roman temples ?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." You`re forgetting that second part. You`re also forgetting the `..make no law..`

Displaying the 10 commandments in a courthouse is not `making law`. There is also no `law` stating you must say `under God` in the pledge of allegiance or any `law` stating that `in God we trust` refers specifically to any one religious denominations deity.
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Male 5,189
Should I really click More Comments > ? Better not lol.
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Female 635
lmfao @AnarchistGod
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Male 4,290
[quote]Again Bob, The government does not sponsor any one `religion`. It does, However, Acknowledge a `Creator` and that`s a rather broad term that encompasses the beliefs of most people on the earth. [/quote]
Come on Crakr. You`re kidding yourself if you think "In God We Trust" is about anyone other than the Judeo-Christian god Yahweh. Don`t give me that crap about it meaning any Creator, because you and I both know that`s just not true.

And even if it was promoting any Creator, that`s STILL unconstitutional as ruled by the Supreme Court. Remember what I quoted from Justice Souter?

"Government should not prefer one religion to another, OR RELIGION TO IRRELIGION".
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, I know that comment was waayy back, but I am not offended by religious art. I don`t mind it in the slightest either. As long as it is in a place of worship, a private business or someone`s home. It just doesn`t have any place in government or public buildings.
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Male 893
@CrakrJak

[quote]Only atheists disproportionally choose to file lawsuits instead of lobbying legislators.[/quote]
It`s kind of hard to lobby the state when you don`t have a lot of money and/or you`re a minority.

However, the issue of lobbying or not lobbying the state is irrelevant because the state doesn`t have the right to exist in the first place.
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Male 893
A christian/statist and an atheist/anarchist walk into a bar.....
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Male 7,378
"It is very clear though that Americas founding fathers shared a Judeo-Christian belief in God and included honoring him in most ceremonies."
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Not so clear to me or the Constitution. You seem to allow your beliefs to affect the truth.
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Male 75
@Crackr:
There are Christians antagonizing people of no faith too, what`s the difference?
Are you sure YOU still want to be associated with Christians?
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Male 764
What does me being from the south have anything to do with what I said?

Oh didn`t see you`re from Canada.... sorry.
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Female 3,574
@Zerocyde, many of those things Crackr mentioned do not go hand-in-hand with Atheism. Not every Atheist has a hissy-fit because someone has a nativity scene on their lawn or pesters Christians who were minding their own business, but to be fair doesn`t the comic make the same mistake? Praying instead of doing, stealing simply because the bible said not to and starting wars are not traits you can assign to every single Christian. They are traits you can assign to assh*les, not directly to christians.

I`m not in the least bit offended by the comic because I understand the concept of a joke, I`m just saying.
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Female 876
Hah! This made me laugh.

But the religious debates make me laugh harder. It`s the same arguments on every post that mentions god or religion or whatever. Why don`t you all just say "ditto from last time"? It`s easier.
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Male 10,440
@mischeif954, So. You`re from the south I see.
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Male 17,512
The issue of prayer was first brought up at the first continental congress. It wasn`t that founders objected to prayer, They just couldn`t chose who it would be since there were several denominations.

Samuel Adams, the Father of the American Revolution, "arose," according to John Adams` account, "and said that he was no bigot, and could hear a Prayer from any gentleman of Piety and virtue, who was at the same time a friend to his Country."

Rev. Jacob Duche`, was prevailed upon to open the next morning`s session in prayer and opened with Psalm 35 — "Contend, O Lord, with those who contend with me"

A very apt and inclusive prayer for all present there.
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Male 764
"Ten Commandments in courtrooms"
Wow at taking offense to a set of moral codes being @ a courthouse, it`s not like they look at it and says look like you violated #4 that`s 10-15 year its just a symbol...

So I`m guessing your equally offended at lady justice (the Roman goddess of justice) being at a courthouse as well?
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Male 17,512
almightybob1: Again Bob, The government does not sponsor any one `religion`. It does, However, Acknowledge a `Creator` and that`s a rather broad term that encompasses the beliefs of most people on the earth.

The `separation of church and state` Was so that no one religion, church, denomination, or sect would be favored by the state. This comes from the fact that England, Whom we separated ourselves from, Did have state religion Anglican (Episcopal). It is very clear though that Americas founding fathers shared a Judeo-Christian belief in God and included honoring him in most ceremonies. We still do today, Congress opens with a prayer every morning (With varying religious chaplains). Oaths of office are still taken with one hand on the bible. Crosses and Stars of David cover Arlington cemetery. `God` is carved in stone on most of our national monuments and is mentioned in most all state constitutions.
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Male 764
Wow... Ok don`t think you should be forced to say "under god" but until its removed from the pledge if you don`t like the words "under god" here`s some quick and easy solutions any one can do ( correction apparently almost anyone since this is even a drating issue).

#1 Under god is extremely interpretive (don`t even see how they have a case against it), we all worship something(s), whether its money knowledge,power,respect,pain or literally God so calm down no ones attacking. Be open minded.

#2 Don`t say the "under god" part.

#3 Protest its presence by doing #2 or by NOT PLEDGING!

I would actually hope that they do make these changes, so we get to see how retarded this country gets when they`re forced to make changes every time some group gets their panties in a bunch. I mean seriously, a pledge which fortunately your no longer obligated to say is destroying your way of life, some people are sooooo petty.
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Male 4,290
[quote]The government isn`t saying, "You must believe in a Christian God`, `Jewish God`, `Buddha God`, `Muslim God`, or `Spaghetti Monster God`. The government doesn`t even state you must believe in God at all. No one in America is forced to believe one way or another, By the government. Maybe your parents tried to force you, But they aren`t `the government`.[/quote]

Not the issue. By putting "in God we trust" on money and the Ten Commandments in courtrooms, the US government is placing messages of support of Yahweh. The Supreme Court has already said this is unconstitutional:
Justice Souter, Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 1994 - "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."
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Male 4,290
[quote]Crakr: [list][/quote]
1) We`re sorry if questioning your beliefs antagonises you.
2) Not out of everything full stop. Out of everything issued by or belonging to the US government (eg money), in keeping with the constitutional separation of church of state. You are welcome to mention God as much as you like in church.
3) Haven`t heard about that one.
4) See 2.
5) See 2.
6) It`s not bad science, because it`s not science. It`s religion. See Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District.
7) See 2.
8) Stoning to death is a traditional punishment in Islam but nobody is saying "go right ahead". But I have yet to see "In Allah We Trust" on a US bill.
There are no state-sponsored messages supporting Islam. They are welcome to practice their traditions, just as you are welcome to, as long as the US government does not endorse either.
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Female 3,828
LOL this is so funny.

and zerocyde? dude, if argue back with valid points, people will respect your opinion . if you swear and insult people, youll just look like a giant douche.

just sayin`
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Female 536
This made my night. Best. Comic. Ever.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: In what way do Christians have `power` over atheists, Really ? The only `power` I guess you could say we have is that the majority of our population believe in God in one form or another.

The government isn`t saying, "You must believe in a Christian God`, `Jewish God`, `Buddha God`, `Muslim God`, or `Spaghetti Monster God`. The government doesn`t even state you must believe in God at all. No one in America is forced to believe one way or another, By the government. Maybe your parents tried to force you, But they aren`t `the government`.

The religions in this country are quite diverse. No `one` religion or church can possibly claim to have `power` over the government. Christians may be the majority, But even we are quite diverse in our political opinions. Every group of people wants political power, Including atheists. Only atheists disproportionally choose to file lawsuits instead of lobbying legislators.
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Male 122
** added to faves
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Male 12,138
Hey Zero, let`s hold back on the personal attacks dude. Debate is all healthy and good, and so far pretty civil, let`s please keep it that way. Thx!
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Male 12,365
[quote]Therefore, If your a true atheist, You shouldn`t be offended by religious art either. You shouldn`t `feel` oppressed at the sight of a Buddha, Cross, Star of David, Menorah, Shiva, Jesus, or nativity scene. In short, If you don`t believe in `God`, If he`s really only an `Imaginary friend` then you`d view a nativity scene no different than a leprechaun, cupid, or tooth fairy.[/quote]

Except when it`s connected with government, because then it`s an attempt to gain political power for the religion.

Or when it`s in schools, because then it`s an attempt to condition children.

None of your list is the clear-cut persecution you`re making it out to be. You`re just seeking socio-political power another way, by making your favoured group out to be a victim group.

It`s not the religion I object to. It`s the constant seeking of power over others.
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Male 17,512
Zerocyde: You seem to be calling a lot of your fellow atheists `a*sholes`. And yes, These are atheists doing the things in that list. Are you sure you still want to be associated with them ?
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Male 17,512
moefreak: I don`t see Christians, Jews, Hindu`s, or Buddhists using lawsuits as a way of harassing Atheists. (At least not in America)

We are guaranteed the freedom OF religion. Not freedom FROM religion. I don`t believe in Buddha, But I`m not suing my local Chinese restaurant because they have statues and pictures of him. I simply don`t care, I view it as art and that`s all. I don`t `feel` oppressed by the presence of Buddha statue either.

Therefore, If your a true atheist, You shouldn`t be offended by religious art either. You shouldn`t `feel` oppressed at the sight of a Buddha, Cross, Star of David, Menorah, Shiva, Jesus, or nativity scene. In short, If you don`t believe in `God`, If he`s really only an `Imaginary friend` then you`d view a nativity scene no different than a leprechaun, cupid, or tooth fairy.
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Male 3,255
@CrakrJak

1)This isn`t what atheists do, it`s what a*sholes do.
2)How would you like it if whenever you wanted to pledge your allegiance to the country you love you had to also pledge allegiance to someone elses god? Honestly you drating smart-ass prick, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?
3) Once again, a*sholes, not atheists.
4) Anywhere government related. You may wish for the dark ages to return, I don`t.
5) A*sholes, like you, not atheists.
6) Bad science? No, it`s NOT science. Believe whatever the drat you want, but teaching ID as science is like teaching lord of the drating rings as history or star wars as astronomy.
7) A*shole, not atheist. This is getting old, get a drating clue you moron.
8) There`s no way you can be this drating stupid. I just got trolled didn`t I? drat!
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Male 17,512
Rawrandmer: Never said it `applied to all atheists`, You seem to be a rarity among them though.

Those were mainly headlines in newspapers, Mainly to compare and contrast to NotTHATbored`s list.
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Female 1,963
Crakrjak, you know that same list could be used by an atheist to describe religious people by just changing a few words.
You can`t really accuse someone of antagonizing when you`re currently doing it yourself. Or well, you can, if you`re a hypocrite.
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Male 224
Did you know that Jesus or Paul didn`t say things like column left? They just did what was biblical and geared results to God.
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Female 282
(4 continued) show their love/support/faith in God.

5) Nativity scenes are kinda pretty and don`t bother me, either. Again, freedom of religion. I think its nice when people decorate during holidays with nativity scenes and what-not. I just choose not to. It doesn`t bother me.

7) He can pray if he wants to. I don`t care.

So really, your list doesn`t apply to all atheists.

And I don`t mean this as a personal attack, it just offended me a bit, even it was a joke.
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Female 282
@CrakrJak:

1) I`ve never told anyone that their beliefs were wrong. I`ve never tried selling my beliefs to anyone, either. The only time I get defensive is when someone tries to tell me that what I believe is wrong. Other than that, I don`t really care what anyone believes in, so I don`t usually talk about religion or faith. I don`t antagonize anyone.

2)I don`t pledge to the United States simply because I do not wish to pledge `under God`. That doesn`t mean I want to take the words `under God` out of the pledge. I don`t care if God is everywhere, I`m not going to make a huge deal about it. I just simply don`t associate myself with it.

3)I don`t give a darn if they built a cross. It doesn`t matter to me. It doesn`t have direct impact on my life. Why object? They can do as they please. Just don`t say my beliefs are wrong.

4) Ten Commandments are all over my house. My family is religious. It doesn`t bother me a bit. I`m not going to sue because someone
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Male 6
Wow well maby u ppl need to find the truth in......Scientology!!!! THE DARK LORD ZENU WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DONT!!!
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Female 71
CrakrJak... I love you.
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Female 3,574
Well, this debate was clearly worthwhile. So sad I missed most of it.
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Male 906
@crakrjak... /agree
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Male 17,512
What are atheists up to today?

1) Antagonizing people of faith.
2) Trying to take any mention of `God` out of everything.
3) Objecting to a cross built by WW1 vets waaay out in the desert.
4) Ten commandments anywhere, Thy sue.
5) Omg! It`s a nativity scene it must be removed!
6) Intelligent Design ?! That`s blasphem... err heres... err Bad science.
7) Obama had a prayer at his inauguration ? Sue!
8) Oh, It`s a muslim tradition ? Never mind, Continue on.
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Male 10,440
looks like msieg007 couldn`t take the pressure. My gentle poking was enough to unseat him.

[quote] Proof, would be nice, but you don`t have any, of your computer, let alone God. [/quote]

So then, why are you a theist?
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Male 40,269
[quote]God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?[/quote]
Yup, and Rock&Roll of course! Almightybob, the Devil created Disco, eh?
Ah the typo, endlessly amusing! Lolz! And so plentyful here at IAB.
@NotTHATbored right, it`s faith, it doesn`t need proof. Just like tapioca pudding, just because I like it OR don`t like it doesn`t affect you at all. No amount of discussion will change that, lolz!
[quote]"The truth is in the pudding" - 5Cats[/quote]
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Female 1,101
@CRA-Z-HEART but what is Christianity up to today? (Maybe not you specifically but as a whole)

Still trying to oppress gays
Trying to stop US from sending Condoms to Africa
Trying to stop Sex Ed
Still preaching Sexist Religious Tenants
Trying to stop the teaching of Evolution
Etc...

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Male 55
@CRA-Z HEART That`s great because according to the Bible, we are ALL responsible for the sins of our fathers, and I`m not just talking about the whole apple "knowledge-is-a-bad-thing" story. The Bible mentions it in other places. Also, perhaps you haven`t looked around at the world today, cuz it`s not like religious wars have STOPPED now have they?
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Male 2,788
Run for your life! It`s a flame war!!
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Male 138
Ah, yes. I just love having 1000 year old blood on my hands from people who just share the same religion with me even though I`ve never tried to oppress anyone and was... oh idk... born centuries later...
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Male 60
@Lionhart2
:D....Kiss...lawl
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Male 289
EPIC wIN
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Male 3,915
god`s face reminds me of superjail
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Female 1,077
i love this so hard.
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Female 509
God looks scarewy in this strip.
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Male 8,302
> almightybob1
> And the devil created rock.

Bullpoo! KISS told me "God Gave Rock`n`Roll To You" and a clean-living, respectable well-dressed band like KISS wouldn`t lie.
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Female 1,386
I`d totally make this into a t-shirt but I`m pretty sure my Mom would take it as a passive agressive stab at her faith.

Hmm... could be a win/win.
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Male 312
This is epic and makes sense.
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Female 1,199
The art reminds me of Superjail.
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Female 1,101
@ 5cats, just because you like something doesn`t make it true or untrue.
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Female 1,101
@Baalthazag

I believe that this cartoon is aimed at people who belong to organized religions, not just "theists", or people who believe that there is a god. That is a completely different argument.

And we all know what problems come with organized religions, to deny them is to deny world history.

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Male 4,290
[quote]God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?[/quote]
And the devil created rock.
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Male 500
Class.
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Female 1,677
God created Big Band? Did he create Motown too?
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Female 1,324
hah I like that
the whole war thing is true >>
though still Agnostic
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Female 252
Hey BrimstoneOne, it was nice at least that God apologized. For the inconvenience.
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Male 40,269
[quote]I believe God is above the physical laws because i believe he created them. I believe he created time and logic and the physical world. - DiegoDeFuego[/quote]
I`m with Diego on this one. God created the Big Band, ok? Can`t prove OR disprove that. He created the Laws of the Universe and He chooses to obey them, k?
Or not, idk, lolz!
After I die I`ll go ask Him, or I`ll cease to exist. I like the asking outcome a lot better.
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Male 1,674
I prefew The Family Circus. I just love those cartoons with the "Not Me" ghosts... you know the ones i`m talking about.
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Male 2,229
Who needs a god when the answer to everything is 42?

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Male 4,546
Aright, I`m off to bed too, will try to reread in the morning.

Keep it nice and toasty.
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Male 4,546
Alt:

1) Ignorance and ignore have the same root. There`s a reason. When defining ignorance, this is important.

2) The problem, is genuine ignorance. I, a theist, can agree with that. I disagree, as always with applying the statement wholesale to theists.

If the problem is ignorance, say the problem is ignorance, give a specific example that isn`t applied to 4 billion people.


Maybe a real world example will help:
If you give a guy the finger for cutting you off, no one gives a poo. If you rent a 30 second Superbowl Ad slot with nothing but your finger and your phone number in response to being cut off that one day, you are an imbecile to not expect many angry responses, and quite frankly your calls for wanting any kind of reasoned conversation about traffic problems tends to seem a tad hypocritical.
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Female 379
Anywhoo, I`ve gotta go, so keep up the awesome debate, I`m gonna come back and read it all with a bucket of popcorn :P
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Female 379
it`s ok altaru, there`ve been multiple answers for a LOT of posts on here.
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Female 379
Personal Responsibility is always of high importance, one of the reasons why I dislike the people that think that religion frees them of it, as I`ve known some people to believe. No matter what you believe, you are responsible for yourself and your actions towards the world.
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Male 3,482
Oh, I guess Serpent answered more or less the same way I did... Okay, I was a little late to the punch.
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Male 4,546
Serpentchick:

Agreed on that, so long as we`re taking on personal responsibility here and not just making broad brushstrokes, I`m happy.

Angilion:
Would you mind shooting me an email if you see this? I have a couple of questions.
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Male 3,482
When a scientist runs out of answers, you claim it is his wisdom, and humility that allows him to say "I don`t know". When it is the religious, it is ignorance.


But the problem is, when they don`t say "I don`t know," They say "because god made it so."

Which IS ignorance. Because it stalls progress.

"I can`t answer a question, so instead of owning up and trying to find an answer, the great being in the sky will be my answer."
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Male 2,229
I also contend God ( if there is one) is not an active part of our existence. For the simple fact we are still confined to A planet, in A solar system, which in turn is in A galaxy in the universe. Where there is innumerable amount of plants, solar systems, and galaxies. That would be and probably way more interesting than our little speck in the dark little corner of pretty much nothing. As The Hitchhikes Guide to the Galaxy listed us as `mostly harmless`.
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Male 4,546
Almighty:
Plenty of times. :) However, the panel suggests the opposite correlation should occur. I`m pointing out that it doesn`t, which in turn then requires you either justify the negative correlation, or concede that the first panel may be inaccurate.

Which for the purposes at 2:30 in the morning, is good enough. :P
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Female 379
it is only ignorance when they say "I don`t know, nor do I want to know" or "God did it and I will not accept any evidence to the contrary"
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Male 4,546
Lets see the forums actually.

1) Evidence is not proof.
If any of you were half the scientists you regularly claim to be on the internet, you would understand the difference and accept that there is plenty of evidence both for and against God.

This is because evidence is a catchall phrase which includes any hints towards a conclusion without verifying it.

2) Proof, would be nice, but you don`t have any, of your computer, let alone God.

The proof that you are demanding, is impossible to provide to a level that is satisfactory.

Nihilism, is easy. It is the 2 year old child going "Why?" every time you answer their previous question.

When a scientist runs out of answers, you claim it is his wisdom, and humility that allows him to say "I don`t know". When it is the religious, it is ignorance.

That is a personal psychiatric problem with bias, not a philosophical one.
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Male 4,290
Come on Baal. How many times on here have you pointed out that correlation does not imply causation? They specifically say at the end of that report "it cannot be said that religious attendance increases life expectancy".

And the third panel is about the justifications used for war. It doesn`t matter how many times people say "I fight for <deity>!". Once is more than zero.

Although I`m not really sure why the third panel was included - atheists just have different justifications when they go to war. Seems a strange point to include to me.
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Female 379
However, I myself believe in a God and a Goddess. I hug a tree because it is part of nature and I thank nature for what it has given me. I do not NEED science to prove my religion right, and if it proves it wrong I will still hug trees and thank the universe for what I have. THAT is faith. THAT SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH SCIENTIFIC FACT. To say anything MUST exists without proof is wrong.
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Male 2,229
"God hasnt killed Satan...BUT WILL SOMEDAY..."

I had a discussion with a devote catholic on this point. My position was/is what if God and Satan where the same "person". Similar to older beliefs that `underworld` judged your actions in this world determined your fate in the next. Of I also hold that there is only one plane/world/dimension to our existence as well. So take that as you may, for I have no intention of reconciling this two divergent points of view.
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Female 379
the only thing science CAN NOT prove is something that is so outside of physics, the universe, our senses, our measurement devices, and that plays absolutely NO PART in our world that it is at all noticeable. that does not sound like a very active God.
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Female 34
ugh.. how about everyone tries to b a good, responsible person.. n we all get along?
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Female 379
There is almost enough evidence against the Christian God`s existence to make it a theory, unless you assume he doesn`t follow anything in the bible and is in fact not going to listen to prayers, not help people in need, did not actually flood the world, did not actually do all the things it said in the bible that would leave any proof, and otherwise wants us to rely on our senses that he gave us to show no proof of him.
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Male 185
Not really that funny, just okay.
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Female 379
Do you have proof God actually did those things? I`m fairly certain there is no proof he did it except that it`s written in the book he did. That`s about at much evidence as me writing in here that I invented the banana split, since there are many OTHER books with many OTHER religions in them saying their god did OTHER things.
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Male 2,034
"Would you accept proof of No God?" Yes. Have any? Thought not.

@LazyMe484: I`ve come to the realization that we`re engaging in a centuries old debate that seems to start anew any time anything remotely religious surfaces on IAB. In short, we`re arguing over the internet, so we`re all losers here. Peace out, loser.
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Male 4,546
Sigh but what to argue with, the idea that any of the three things mentioned are true (statistically the religious are healthier (panel 1), more socially adept (panel 2), and ... don`t live in Warzones I guess is the point of 3... (Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheists on earth. Top 4 in 1991. If it`s about wars they join specifically, the example used above, keep in mind Israel has conscription. They`ll join in the Holy War just the same).

Feel free to argue it isn`t a holy war though. Keep in mind I`ll remember this when it is inconvenient for you.

As for the forums, I`ll join in properly when it isn`t 2am. :P
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Male 10,440
[quote] God wrote a book, God sent his son [/quote]

First you must prove that there is a god before this `evidence` of yours is accepted.
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Male 516
"Belief is not evidence, no matter how many people share that belief."

You must have an odd definition of belief. Everything is based on belief. Even if I touch something and tell you it`s cold, my belief lies in my 5 senses. Empirical evidence requires belief in empiricism first in order to be viable.

The `evidence` I spoke of is all purported. God wrote a book, God sent his son, etc. They have something to hold onto other than blind faith was what I meant.
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Female 329
i dont know why i read god prefers athletes... its similar i guess.
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Male 10,440
[quote] stalemate: any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made

You`re not going to change what I think, and I`m not going to change what you think. Therefore, we`ve reached a stalemate. Good day sir.[/quote]

I suppose by that logic, your defeat is a stalemate, because well... you can`t progress anywhere when you`ve already lost.
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Female 379
I also don`t see why people are mad that there`s a discussion, or think it`s stupid. At the moment I am highly entertained, and just wish I didn`t have to leave in less than an hour. That`s what IAB is for, right?
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Female 379
it`s only a stalemate if both sides refuse to change their opinion if new data surfaces, or if both sides refuse to accept current correct data. If I saw proof of a Christian God, I would accept his existance. If I saw proof of a Hindi God, I would accept that too. Would you accept proof of No God?
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Male 10,440
[quote] Its kinda stupid how religious and non religious people explode into argument on the internet so easily but there`s really no point. Its like a blind person and a deaf person arguing over whether painting is better or if music is better. so pointless [/quote]

Nope. It`s safer than, say... bars.

Anyway we need more exposure on these ideas.
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Male 2,034
I never said I was right. I also never said you were wrong. Nor did I call you ignorant, or insane, or make any other childish insult.

stalemate: any position or situation in which no action can be taken or progress made

You`re not going to change what I think, and I`m not going to change what you think. Therefore, we`ve reached a stalemate. Good day sir.
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Male 2,700
Damni...I said i wasnt going to read the comments and I did....

I think its funny that those that are trying to fight the "Theres no proof of god" retaliate with "theres no proof of NO god"....Lets see....Proof of god list....None....Proof of no god list....Not here, not seen, not heard, not felt.......But yet we still fight wars over the clouds in the sky....

What is even more impressive, is that each thing that used to be a staple of God, such as living in the sky....Each time science unarguable disproves it, becomes a metaphor for god instead of the fact...God hasnt killed Satan...BUT WILL SOMEDAY....
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Male 5
Its kinda stupid how religious and non religious people explode into argument on the internet so easily but there`s really no point. Its like a blind person and a deaf person arguing over whether painting is better or if music is better. so pointless
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Male 4,290
[quote]"no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis."[/quote]

Then why did you just come out with that crap about "there`s no proof God DOESN`T exist"?
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Male 2,700
Not even gonna read the comments.....Simply put this is awsome.....People living for themselves instead of finding an excuse to do the right thing.....
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Male 2,034
"no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis."
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Male 4,290
[quote]hey, don`t you DARE insult Nessy. That`s just wrong. She never hurt you.[/quote]
I`m Scottish, we get to ride her round Loch Ness once a year :P

[quote]Hmph, I`ve clearly been slacking, a whole 8 pages and I`m only just finding this thing. Tsk tsk Baal. [/quote]
A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES!
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Male 833
"Do people really pray for stupid sh*t like that? I thought that was just kids."

Yes people do, and it doesn`t work just like any other prayer.
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Male 10,440
I submit that there is more evidence of Harry Potter than there is of the xian god.
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Male 4,546
Hmph, I`ve clearly been slacking, a whole 8 pages and I`m only just finding this thing. Tsk tsk Baal.
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Female 379
hey, don`t you DARE insult Nessy. That`s just wrong. She never hurt you.
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Female 379
BigMordecai, we discussed morality already. Not sure if we convinced anyone, but we did already discuss it.
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Male 4,290
Oh, and don`t forget leprechauns, zombies, unicorns, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Great A`Tuin, Harry Potter, the one ring to rule them all, Jack Bauer, Lara Croft, Mario, Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha...

There`s no evidence that they don`t exist.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Well sir, there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist.[/quote]

The only problem with a belief like that is, if you listen to the holy texts and all that, there will NEVER be proof of god.

Because god wants you to BELIEVE as opposed to having actual evidence.

Which is basically just one HUGE BS cop-out answer to all the people requesting proof of god`s existence.
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Male 10,440
[quote] there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist. [/quote]

By that logic you must also believe in unicorns, elves, santa claus, the easter bunny along with every other possible entity that could ever be imagined by anyone, ever, since "there is no proof that they don`t exist"

Stalemate? No. You can take either defeat or insanity, it`s up to you.
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Female 379
There`s no stalemate. The scientists are still out there looking for proof. The way science works is you have hypotheses (there is a god, there is not a god, water cannot run uphill, water can run uphill, etc.) and although people may lean towards one side or the other, no side is right until proof is found, or at least that there is enough proof to promote it to a theory instead of a hypothesis. it`s only a stalemate if we stop looking, which is why scientists are scared of the belief "god did it" because that usually stops all progress of study and understanding.
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Male 94
Ahh, everyone here is so cute. I am currently working in the fields of science (physics) and find your understanding of the big bang rudimentary and most of you who have faith in "science", I use the term not to denote religion but essentially to assume it is true, seem to think it is deterministic in all senses which is currently unfounded in QM. The religious seem to claim that their is some great mover based on well there could be. However, both miss a fundamental question, why are people moral? Let`s assume no God. What is "moral"? Why did religious beliefs dominate the world in most successful cultures archaically (this obviously no longer pertains to today). I submit there are several ways of defining morality and redefining morality. For example one could say Moral essentially are developed in order to stabilize civilizations, whose structure is more successful then smaller group. Have a go at that; its more useful.
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Male 4,290
msieg007 - Then I take it you also believe in Thor, Wotan, Zeus, Apollo, Quetzacoatl, Vishnu, Ra, Allah, and Poseidon (to name but a few)?

After all, there`s no evidence that they DON`T exist either.
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Male 3,482
[quote]God seems unusually rational in this comic.[/quote]

I KNOW! I mean, if you listen to the bible, the minute any of those atheists said half that stuff they would have been smited for not worshiping and probably going out to have sodomy-style sex and all that.

[quote]Saying the big bang theory created everything isn`t lazy?[/quote]

No, because we`re actively working to prove it. Haven`t you heard? That`s what the whole LHC thing was about, testing to see if we could re-create the Big Bang.

So no, it`s not lazy, because where YOU are content to answer any questions you don`t know the actual answer to with "because god made it that way," scientists make a theory and then work to prove/disprove it, and if they happen to disprove it, they make a new theory and try again.
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Male 2,034
So there`s no evidence of a god, and that`s why you`re an atheist. Until some evidence is found, you will remain an atheist.

Well sir, there`s no evidence that there`s Not a god, and that`s why I`m a theist. Until some evidence is found, I will remain a theist.

I believe we`ve reached a stalemate.
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Female 379
well yes, if there was definitive proof of God, God would have to exist...otherwise there would be no proof. That`s circular reasoning. Unless you think proof can exist without the thing it`s proving existing?
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Male 4,290
[quote]What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?[/quote]
Either of those would be good, yeah. Although the graffiti might not convince me. Depends how it was done.

Anyway, there`s plenty of things God could do to convince me:
Appear in a burning bush without the bush being harmed in a controlled environment.
Turn water into wine (or anything other than H2O) in a controlled environment.
Turn all the air pink for 24 hours.
Cure every single person in hospital on 1/1/2011.
Regenerate an amputee`s limb on request.

The list goes on.
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Female 1,963
I also don`t really understand what possible evidence there could be for the existence of God. If God exists, any proof that God exists would have to exist in this world that God created, and would thus require that God existed to have any merit. If God doesn`t exist, clearly any proof of God existing is not valid.
None of this means that God doesn`t exist, simply that it is logically impossible to prove.
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Female 379
diegodefuego, we can`t MEASURE electrons. they behave differently when we do. how is that NOT chaos. also the big bang didn`t create anything. matter already existed before it, it was just a singularity (you can think of it like a black hole that exploded) and it`s not lazy because we`ve done measurements and calculations to deduce it, and we`re STILL testing it, using the Large Hadron Collider.
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Male 25,417
wow, religious debate again!
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Male 9,305
"What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?"

He can`t do that because once he did, then someone will videotape it / report it, it will get submitted to this website, Fancylad will post it, the forums will be awash with arguing over it, and we`ll be RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED AGAIN!
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Female 379
I think we`re getting some post redundancy on our side >.< there were at least 3 answers to the 1+1=2 thing
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Male 239
@Serpentchick

Saying the big bang theory created everything isn`t lazy?

Religion doesn`t work against science. In fact it should encourage it. Science (from a religious perspective) is the discovery of how God made the universe.

It`s not chaos at all. everything acts in a predictable and rational way according to the physical laws that govern everything. Electrons aren`t chaotic, they just move really fast. They still act according to physics just like everything else.
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Male 12,365
[quote]However, Christianity DOES have evidence. It may not be empirical like science, but it has other grounds.[/quote]

Belief is not evidence, no matter how many people share that belief.
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Female 2,352
Do people really pray for stupid sh*t like that? I thought that was just kids.
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Male 4,290
There is gravity because objects with mass exert an attractive force on one another.
Although I assume you meant the other "why", which assumes that a physical law needs an ultimate reason. It doesn`t. It just is.
"Why does anything make sense?" is, ironically, a nonsensical question.
The world is not made of complete order. If you think it is, try to predict when a radioisotopic atom will decay to its daughter product.
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Male 12,365
[quote]What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?[/quote]

Why not?

No evidence and no effect, so even if your god exists, it is irrelevant.
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Female 379
Diegodefuego, well, for one thing, he could listen to prayers like it says in the bible (assuming you`re talking about the Christian god), or do anything that it says god would do in any religion, assuming that the act does not follow what would normally happen without a God. ANY of that could potentially be used as proof of a God. Also, isn`t the Bible full of instances of miracles? why have none of them happened in the age of photography?
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Male 12,365
[quote] Why does 1+1 always equal 2?[/quote]

Because humans have defined it to do so.

[quote]Why is there gravity?[/quote]

Nobody knows yet. We know it`s a property of matter, but not why it is.

[quote]Why does anything make sense?[/quote]

Because we make sense of it. What kind of question is that?

[quote]This world is made of complete order, how is that?[/quote]

It isn`t.

I think the bottom line is simply this:

I`m able to admit when I don`t know an answer.

You`re not. So you have to fill in the gaps in your knowledge with the all-purpose answer "God did it".

Your god is your knowledge polyfiller. Since you apply it to the entire collected knowledge of humanity, which is constantly increasing, your god is ignorance. It`s also ever-shrinking.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Why does 1+1 always equal 2?[/quote]

Because the great being in the sky says so.

[quote]Why is there gravity?[/quote]

Because the great being in the sky made it so.

[quote]Why does anything make sense?[/quote]

Because the great being in the sky wants things to.

[quote]This world is made of complete order, how is that?[/quote]

Because the great being in the sky made it so.

Does anyone else see why I want a more concrete reality based in evidence rather than a religion?

Basically, that ENTIRE argument states that the only reason I`m able to sit on the second floor of my house is because the great being in the sky lets me. If he didn`t want me to, I would fall through right now.

Regardless of how well this house was constructed by human hands, using tested laws of physics to determine the breaking limits of the materials and construction methods.
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Male 516
"Since scientists don`t claim any of those things are definitely completely true, you have no point. Also, only one of the "theories" is actually a theory (big bang). So straight away you show your lack of knowledge of science.

You are confusing science with religion and then using your incorrect premise to "prove" science is religion. It`s a circular argument - another classic logical fallacy."

So, you`re contrasting religion to science under the premise that religion`s `faith` requires no evidence to hold, while the belief(or currently argued `faith`) in science does?

If that`s the case, I can see where you`re coming from. Blind faith vs. supported beliefs are different. Such was in the case of your imaginary hamster deal. However, Christianity DOES have evidence. It may not be empirical like science, but it has other grounds.

I think your argument for science not being a religion lies under the premise that
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Male 4,290
[quote]So no reply to my post, just a vague statement that implies that I`m a blind follower who hasn`t put any thought into what I believe... awesome.[/quote]
No, it was an enquiry into how you know God is outside the universe. It seems your justification is "because that`s what I believe", which is a logical dead end, so we`ll have to abandon that.

[quote]Where would logic have come from. Why does 1+1 always equal 2? Why is there gravity? Why does anything make sense? This world is made of complete order, how is that?[/quote]
Logic comes from humans.
1 plus 1 equals 2 because we defined it like that. Humans invented the number system. Why do you think we count in base 10? Because we have 10 fingers.
The universe does not think "I will make humans fall at 9.81ms^-2". We defined metres, and seconds. It just happens that the laws of gravity emerge to that value when we apply our definitions to it.

Continued...
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Female 1,963
Now this is just funny. Not doing bad things "Cuz it`s kind of a dick thing to do" is pretty much my moral compass right there. My sense of morality is based on empathy for others, not fear of retribution.
And my word there`s a lot of quoting going on in these comments.
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Female 379
steve41high. Welcome to a forum, where people talk about whatever the forum is about. if you don`t want to say, read it, I suggest you ignore the forum part of IAB, as all the links, pictures, etc. come before you even see the forum.
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Male 10,440
God seems unusually rational in this comic.
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Male 1,153
i knew i shouldn`t have bothered scrolling down to see the comments! SHUT THE HELL UP
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Female 379
Diegodefuego, for one thing, if you`re gonna talk about math, you need to understand things like 1+1=2 because of the definitions of 1, +, =, and 2. all are things that we defined, be cause of how we understand things. and the world is not made of complete order, it`s pretty much mostly chaos, it`s just chaos on a level so small you cannot sense it, electrons that we can`t measure, etc. Other than that, we`re still trying to figure it out. To say "because God did it" is considered lazy in the scientific world. If we took that stance, we would still be sacrificing goats to make it rain. We strive to understand what we cannot, and that is a scientist`s job.
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Male 239
What possible evidence could there be of God? Is he going to leave a giant foot print? Is he going to graffitti the side of Mount Everest "God was here"?
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Male 591
I got a theory, can`t prove or disprove unfortunately, but it has about as much merit as the "god" theory.

I say sometime in the distant future, someone/something somewhere invents time travel. At that point, that being goes back in time, but goes back to the exact moment the big bang occurs. Meaning they cause it by arriving. How would something like a time machine create the big bang? Well, because their are no fundamental laws, things like 1=2 can occur, which can spawn infinitely (aka the inflation period of the universe) which can create all the matter we have today. On top of that, because it comes from our universe as it is today, when it finally balances out after that instant, we already have all the fundamental laws created.

Pretty much we are on a loop, forever.
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Male 118
I`m also sure there are religious people out there who commit crime.
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Male 516
"GosuPaul: I`ve only participated in DOZENS of these `discussions` before. Maybe if you had looked at past religion posts, You`d have realized that fact.
Instead, You jumped right into the same instant assume and judge mode you accused me of. "

Incorrect, actually. I have noticed your arguments and posts in many other religion based posts. You`re usually one of the few fighting FOR Christianity. However, that still does not negate my statement lying underneath all that sarcasm.

You don`t need to be here.

Why do you care that people are arguing about God again? Nobody`s forcing you to bear the generally overwhelming ignorance of the IAB forum posts, so you could easily avoid any sort of unrest that these IAB `discussions` may create. You can`t argue something like `Well, I can`t just let this happen!` because then it`s your own fault that you`ve felt the need to dive in.

Nobody`s getting hurt here. Just read the comic, grunt condescendi
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Male 12,365
[quote]it doesn`t matter about single or group moral dynamics, you can`t say anything is wrong to another living creature unless that wrong has infinite persecuation. sorry. you cant have your cake and eat it too.[/quote]

You may need fear of eternal torture to make you behave like a decent person (as you say you do), but most people are not like that.

You appear to be arguing that all Christians are sociopaths. It`s an interesting idea, but it doesn`t seem to be true.
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Male 239
@almightybob

So no reply to my post, just a vague statement that implies that I`m a blind follower who hasn`t put any thought into what I believe... awesome.

I believe God is above the physical laws because i believe he created them. I believe he created time and logic and the physical world. This is my belief. Where would logic have come from. Why does 1+1 always equal 2? Why is there gravity? Why does anything make sense? This world is made of complete order, how is that?
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Male 4,290
[quote]So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics? ... like maybe God?[/quote]

Not Altaru, but I`ll answer anyway:
Of course I accept the possibility. New evidence could be uncovered at any minute which would conclusively prove the existence of a god (although whether I would worship any god that was proven real is a different matter).

But until that evidence is produced, I will remain unconvinced.
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Male 3,482
[quote]So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics?[/quote]

No, I`m saying that there could be something out there that fundamentally CHANGES all that we ALREADY KNOW about physics.

Not something that defies all laws of physics, but something that follows them in ways we don`t completely understand.

No matter HOW you look at it, most gods don`t follow ANY laws of physics, what with the ability to create things from nothing and all that.
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Male 12,365
[quote]the faith that atheists hold: the big bang theory, there is no god theory, there is no spiritual world theory, there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.[/quote]

Since scientists don`t claim any of those things are definitely completely true, you have no point. Also, only one of the "theories" is actually a theory (big bang). So straight away you show your lack of knowledge of science.

You are confusing science with religion and then using your incorrect premise to "prove" science is religion. It`s a circular argument - another classic logical fallacy.
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Male 1,378
10/10 I see lots of HURRDURR-wall-o-texts below.
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Male 239
Yes angilion... i don`t believe you have a magic hamster. I can also say a believe that you don`t have a magic hamster. It`s something that i think is true even though i don`t have any physical evidence to say anything one way or the other.

And just cause i don`t have physical proof doesn`t mean i don`t have reasons.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I really don`t understand most atheists. It seems to me that if you`re an atheist, one day you had to think to yourself, "Wow, it`s not logical to be so sure that there is a god", and you would be so right. Why then would your next thought be, "Oh, so obviously there is no god."[/quote]

i) Not all atheists think that.
ii) You have the same thought about a great number of things. Everyone does. So why don`t you understand it?
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Female 379
hey Altaru, help me out here, I`m gonna be reincarnated and have to deal with all these people AGAIN.
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Male 239
@Altaru

So you believe that there could be something out there that we haven`t discovered yet that supercedes physics? ... like maybe God?
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Male 3,482
Oh well, SCREW ALL YOUR ARGUEMENTS.

They`re all so Christ-centric.

When I die Imma go to Valhalla and enjoy me some never-ending goat beer. WOOH!
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Female 379
of course, I am a biologist and do not study astrophysics, so there may already be much more data on whether or not our current universe will exist forever or at what point it will collapse again into singularity, but last I heard it was mostly speculation based on current data.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Atheism isn`t a religion, however it is a belief, although most athiests I`ve talked to have denied that. You have just as little proof to say their isn`t a God as I have to say there is. Actually i would say you have less proof but that argument never goes anywhere.[/quote]

Ho hum, this again.

Right now, I am holding an undetectable magic hamster. It`s actually the manifestation in this plane of an immortal god from the plane of aether. It keeps the atmosphere on Earth with a powerful magic spell, so you`d better believe in it.

You don`t? Why not? You can`t prove it doesn`t exist.

I don`t believe in everything anyone claims is true without any reason to do so.

Neither do you.

Also, your argument is that lack of faith is faith. That`s a rather dodgy argument.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics. God doesn`t have too because he exists outside of the laws that govern the physical universe.[/quote]
And you know that because the Bible says so, right?
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Female 379
We have no evidence the universe is infinite, we have a starting point for our current universe, and we do not say that it will last forever. We DO however, have proof that all the matter that has ever existed has always existed, and that is the law of conservation of matter, that it can never be created or destroyed. It`s just that OUR CURRENT universe started at the big bang, and went forward from there. Once we have proof of the infinite-or not- future of the universe, it is THEN that we will be making claims about it. Scientists must always be ready to accept that at this point we don`t know everything, and to make any claim without some sort of proof is wrong.
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Male 17,512
Our `logic and physics` only applies to the universe that we can comprehend. If we can`t comprehend it then it appears to be illogical and unreasonable.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics.[/quote]

And yet, we don`t know all the laws of logic and physics.

We don`t make them up off the top of our heads, they`re already in existence, we just discover them.

Eventually, we could discover one that changes all that we thought were right before it.
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Male 239
"And if you can assert God is infinite with no evidence, why can`t we assert the universe is infinite with no evidence?"

Because the universe is rooted in logic and physics and therefore has to abide by logic and physics. God doesn`t have too because he exists outside of the laws that govern the physical universe.
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Male 3,482
[quote]faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data.[/quote]

Actually, it`s been scientifically proven that it`s HEALTHIER for both the mother and the child if the mother is impregnated between certain ages, since the mothers body is more mature and able to handle the strain placed upon her body.

It may have been better for evolution back when twenty-five was retirement age, but not anymore.
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Female 379
almightybob1, that`s why I said it was the beginning of our universe, and that we can`t exactly be certain of what form all matter was in before the big bang, that`s what the LHC is trying to figure out.
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@unmercyfuldu
The only reason I brought it up is because people were making arguments that only apply to atheism, and other people were defending it with beliefs other than atheistic beliefs. So yeah, I guess I do think it`s important that people be more specific.
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Male 4,290
Serpentchick - yeah I know the matter was there. But you cannot have time without space - they are fundamentally intertwined by the emergent laws which govern our universe. Therefore the concept of "before" the Big Bang (the beginning of space, and therefore time) is meaningless.
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Male 3,482
[quote]what is so simple about something cvomign from nothing?[/quote]

And it`s SO much simpler to believe that there`s this big man in the sky that was created FROM NOTHING?

Inevitably, no matter how you look at it, things have to have come from nothing. The only difference is, do you believe the UNIVERSE came from nothing, or that this all-powerful thing came from nothing, and then, with powers we cannot possibly comprehend, created the universe... FROM NOTHING.

Of course, that`s accounting for the belief that everything has to have a beginning and ending, though as someone else already stated, neither god nor matter (conservation of energy and matter) needs them.
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Female 654
is that middle eastern guy? most places he would not be speaking to god or speaking of god...unless its to say the words, " your god can kiss a moose, now eat this grenade sucker"
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Male 4,290

[quote]the universe cannot be infinite due to entropy. thus in the natural paradigm, it had to have a beginning[/quote]
Hah! I love the entropy argument. Go on, do the "tornado in a junkyard making a fully functioning car" one next.

No scientist says the universe is infinitely old - it`s roughly 13.5Bn years old.
And if you can assert God is infinite with no evidence, why can`t we assert the universe is infinite with no evidence?
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Female 379
almightybob, I have to correct you there, it is that we cannot measure before the big bang, however the matter still existed, we just aren`t exactly sure yet in what form. to say time started then is wrong, it`s that the time of our current universe as we know it started then. otherwise it`s matter coming from nothing
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Male 4,290
Oooh, I can tell monktoast is going to be fun.

[quote]thus, by atheists saying pedophelia is wrong, they are fooling themselves and science, and thus have faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data. [/quote]
Paedophilia is an issue of consent, not biology. A child is incapable of giving full, rational, informed consent, which is why paedophilia is illegal.

[quote]the big bang theory says that "stuff" before nothing, still came from nowhere[/quote]
No, it does not. A singularity is not nothing.
And the concept of "before" the Big Bang is fundamentally flawed, since time began at the Big Bang. You can`t have "before" the beginning.
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@buscompany

Well then we are all at fault for not using more specific terms considering there is:

Strong Agnosticism
Weak Agnosticism
Apathetic Agnosticism
Agnostic Atheism
Agnostic Theism
Ignosticism
Strong Atheism
Weak Atheism
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Female 379
oh, and just FYI, I actually do believe in a God, and a Goddess, but I refuse to accept the idea that for the 10ish years that I didn`t believe in any God, that I was amoral. I had morals based in thought and reason, not because I was going to be punished. And I still have those morals today, for the same reasons (my religion has no hell).
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Male 4,290
[quote]the faith that atheists hold: 1) the big bang theory, 2) there is no god theory, 3) there is no spiritual world theory, 4) there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.[/quote]

Ooh yay, ignorance!
*ahem*
Numbered for convenience:
1) I could cite all the evidence supporting the Big Bang model, but it would be pointless because neither of us are sufficiently trained in astrophysics to argue it properly. But you could start by looking up COBE on Wikipedia.
2) Untestable hypothesis, not theory.
3) Untestable hypothesis, not theory.
4) Speculation, and ultimately testable hypothesis, not theory.

If any atheists claimed the last three are scientific theories, they are wrong. If it`s just you deciding that anything an atheist thinks is a theory, lrn2science.
And remember, one thing being wrong does not make another thing autom
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Female 379
I am saying that as a SOCIAL creature, sympathy lets us work together, to perform better than other creatures. if we did not work together and learn from each other, we would in no way be at the top of the pyramid. without each other, we would have lost to the tiger, the lion, the shark, the snake, and every other predator big enough to take a chunk out of us. right and wrong evolved, along with our ability to survive due to it.
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@unmercyfuldu

That`s exactly what my point is, saying that you lack a belief in god is agnosticism, atheism means you specifically believe there is not a god. It wouldn`t make sense to say that a theist simply lacks a belief in there not being a god. That`s what the a in atheism is for, to make it the opposite of theism. I`m not saying your beliefs are bad, I`m just saying that the distinction between agnosticism and atheism is there for a reason, and I think that many "atheists" have mislabeled themselves.
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Female 379
conservation of energy, energy is not lost, it is simply moved to other parts of the universe, and put into different forms. There is NO LOSS of energy in the universe, therefore there does not have to BE a beginning and an end. it can simply BE, in different forms.
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Male 1,086
Allow Quaintness the argument fairy to bring thee some help.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/
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Male 263
rats can have sympathy yes, but sympathy itself is meaningless. rats are a different type of animal. there are plenty of animals and humans who have no sympathy, and do just fine. your random morality has no foundation for truth.
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Female 379
We have no proof that there was nothing before, so we would not say there was nothing before. We have proof of conservation of matter, therefor we accept conservation of matter. We can measure the universe`s expansions and contractions, so we accept them. How is any of that faith-based?
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Male 263
god is infinite, and thus there is no arg7ument of nothing. the universe cannot be infinite due to entropy. thus in the natural paradigm, it had to have a beginning, unlike God, so there is no logic holes here, only with atheists who have faith in there idea of universal begining.
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Female 379
As someone who took a class on animal cognition, even rats feel sympathy for other rats. Sympathy, and there for being able to know right from wrong behavior towards another being, is fairly basic.
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Male 263
uhm, the big bang theory says that "stuff" before nothing, still came from nowhere, there ius not a single scientific observation of this compact stuff or its origins, you must have loads of faith friend!
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Male 263
biologically, girls can impregnate as young as 7, humans and animals. thus, by atheists saying pedophelia is wrong, they are fooling themselves and science, and thus have faith in their own moral standards which are NOT rooted in scientific data.

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Female 379
and no where in science does something come from nothing. the big bang theory says that the stuff existed BEFORE the big bang, it just was very compact. And rain falling from the sky is simple.water got up there through different means, and of course "whatever goes up must come down". It is Christianity that said God created the world from nothing, so I really don`t get your arguement, monktoast.
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Male 263
it doesn`t matter about single or group moral dynamics, you can`t say anything is wrong to another living creature unless that wrong has infinite persecuation. sorry. you cant have your cake and eat it too.
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Male 263
the faith that atheists hold: the big bang theory, there is no god theory, there is no spiritual world theory, there "must" be life on other planets. all this is faith based, origin science, and foundationally it is in itself non scientific and mere speculation.
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Female 379
oh, and morals can come from the idea of "what is good for the group" not just "what is good for the self". To argue that there is no concept of "good" without God is wrong. There are many, many social creatures out there, not just us, and although they don`t have the exact same concepts of good an evil, they do have some similarity. unless you`re telling me that all the social apes out there are Christian?
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Male 762
@buscompany

Your understanding of atheism is exactly what TopperHey was trying to clear up. Atheist aren`t making claims. They just reject the claims of those who say there is a god or gods and thus lack that belief. They are not saying there is no god, only that there is not enough evidence to believe there is.
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Male 263
simple? what is so simple about something cvomign from nothing? that is the most complex thing i have ever heard of, or that the "simple" rain falling is actually part of a very particular and complex ecological system.
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Male 263
also, there are atheists dicussion groups, trying so hard to prove they are right, when they actually have no proof they are right. there are also atheistic apologetics, such as hitchens, and those fools handing out flyers to convert to atheism.

the very premise of saying you don`t have a belief, yet wish to put that LACK of belief into apologetics, is cognitive dissonance in the highest degree!!
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Female 379
Atheists in general go by the scientific idea that you go for the simpler reason because it makes no sense to choose a more complex reason. Water falls from the sky not because some all knowing all seeing being is crying, but because there`s too much water in the sky and it has to come down due to already known and proven principles. If something cannot be proven and has no proof, to think that it exists makes no sense, unless you go on faith.
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Male 263
well, its nice atheists think they know a damn thing about Christianity, or history for that matter. In relation to all wars we have documented, there are more non-religious wars then so. There are at least 3 wars caused by a naturalistic agenda, and the morals atheists claim they have are menaingless without an objective source to state good and evil, otherwise, its just chemical explosions in the brain and noone can tell anyone what is wrong or right just because your quite random brain thinks its "good" not to kill, (even though murder has evolutionary benefits, as does rape and pediphelia)

in other words, this comic and atheists fail.

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Male 17,512
GosuPaul: I`ve only participated in DOZENS of these `discussions` before. Maybe if you had looked at past religion posts, You`d have realized that fact.
Instead, You jumped right into the same instant assume and judge mode you accused me of.
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Male 106
NitroJunkie
We do not believe in something, those are Agnostics.

That is completely backwards. Agnosticism is the closest you can get to not having a belief, although technically the belief would be that you cannot know if there is a god or not.

taylor_stone
"I lack a belief in God." =/= "There is no God."
Atheism corresponds to the statement that there is no god, just as theism corresponds to the statement that there is a god. Anything in between is some form of agnosticism.

I really don`t understand most atheists. It seems to me that if you`re an atheist, one day you had to think to yourself, "Wow, it`s not logical to be so sure that there is a god", and you would be so right. Why then would your next thought be, "Oh, so obviously there is no god."
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Female 43
drat religion
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Male 2,688

713 Posts Monday, May 3, 2010 12:38:59 PM
"ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD"

Um, no.

"I lack the belief in a god." = "I believe that there is no god."

HOWEVER

"I lack a belief in God." =/= "There is no God."

One does not have to believe in something in order for it to exist.

Sorry for stepping on your toes.
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Male 451
You go Nerdfigher0!
This cartoon assumes all atheist are good people. I am sure there are atheists out there who commit crimes.
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Male 516
"IAB baiting another `discussion` again. Figures."

Oh, I`m sorry that the site code mandates you to read through every single comment before you can actually view the base posting at hand.

What?

The site DOESN`T force you to read through every comment to get to the content?!

But...But..That would mean that CrakrJak has no reason to be complaining!

Ludicrous!!
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Male 762
@msieg007

So someone comes up to you and say "Aliens exist because it rained yesterday." You then say that is absurd and you lack a belief in their claims. You wouldn`t make an absolute statement and say it is impossible for Aliens to exist and believe they don`t. That is the difference.
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Male 516
"Nope! one is making a claim while the other is just the absence of a belief. "

Sorry mate, there`s no such thing as an absence of `a` belief. Perhaps the absence of `the` belief in question, but everyone has an opinion.

Belief: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. (Merriam-Webster)
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Male 17,512
IAB baiting another `discussion` again. Figures.
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Male 808
Everyone is athiest,in order to believe in your "god" you have to not believe in like a million others. It is just because upbringing has dictacted which "god" u will blindly believe, athiests just take it one God further.
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Male 762
@msieg007

Nope! one is making a claim while the other is just the absence of a belief.
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Female 379
if ANYONE actually takes this comic seriously, they have no idea what the rest of the comics are like. I`ve read them before, and it`s about a very, VERY disgusting teddy bear.
Oh, and fattpill, it`s the "if your eyes are opened and you see God" thing that`s why most people I know dislike Christianity, believing you`re the only one that`s right and that everyone else is ignorant for not following the same beliefs. Not saying all Christians are like that, I`ve had loads of friends that aren`t, just saying the very loud ones are like that and they annoy the rest of us.
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Male 2,841
I don`t blame the big guy for getting sick of running his little fan club for all these years.
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Male 2,034
"ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD"

Um, no.

"I lack the belief in a god." = "I believe that there is no god."
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Male 212
Ooh. Stereotypes.
Just want to point out, that as a believing christian, that God doesn`t prefer anyone. He loves us all.
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Female 914
too hilarious.
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Male 1,929
My marshmallows have finished. But before I go, can I just shout to everyone who doesn`t know:

ATHEISM = LACK OF BELIEF IN GOD(S)
ATHEISM =/= THERE IS NO GOD

You have to be a specific type of atheist to believe that there is no God.

Now, goodbye.
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Male 1,929
jamie76: Two possibilites.

1) You are are troll
2) You are an idiot

Either way, sucks to be you.

And I don`t mean `idiot` in a slandering, irrational, biased, and ignorant kind of way; I mean it in a factual, logical, reasoned, and correct kind of a way.

(Oh look, religion and atheism summed up!)

--My marshmallows are nearly done--
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Male 299
@KekS: technically, `vodka` translates to `little water`, so yes, water is non-alcoholic vodka.

In spite of that, I fully support how you handled the situation and give you credits for the barely-abusive sarcasm.

(I would also like to point out that no sarcasm was involved in this message.)
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Male 239
Atheism isn`t a religion, however it is a belief, although most athiests I`ve talked to have denied that. You have just as little proof to say their isn`t a God as I have to say there is. Actually i would say you have less proof but that argument never goes anywhere.
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Male 1,793
Religion is funny...
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Male 758
Wow, you`re retarded Jamie.
I`ve never heard of nor seen an atheist gathering to discuss beliefs and ideals. Either way, have you ever heard of a support group? AA worships the bottle, by your standards, then.
We do not believe in something, those are Agnostics.
Not all religious people take everything out of context and distort it to suit their needs, those are called extremists, or zealots.
And for the actively trying to convert, see above.

Yep, that fits the criteria, you`re officially an uneducated fool.
Try some reading before you try to throw your bigot nonsense around.
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Female 152
awesome!
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Female 400
Lol at KekS. xD
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Male 1,184
Congrats jamie, you officially know absolutely jack about atheism.
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Male 588
You`re absolutely right, jamie76, atheism is a religion! Just like water is a non-alcoholic vodka, air is what nonsmokers smoke, baldness is a color of hair and health is an illness.
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Male 762
@jamie76

Simply wrong. Atheists aren`t making any claims that need to be proven or disproven. They simply refute unjustifiable claims made by those who have faith and very poor evidence for the supernatural. An atheist refutes claims the same way I am sure you refute Islam`s or Hinduism`s claims.

Atheist aren`t trying to make way for a life style and "convert" people, they only ask that people either account for their beliefs with evidence or abandon bronze age lifestyles that lack any substantial evidence for belief and that are detrimental to society and civilization as a whole.
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Male 7,808
almightybob, would that make them a wiseman?
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Male 4,680
God looks like an elderly meth addict in this comic.
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Male 2,345
BentheBug

you get a gold star for the day sir!
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Female 317
religion aside, that was just not funny.
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Male 2,345
Atheism is officaially a relgion at this point.

they believe in something that cannot be proven or disproven and that requires FAITH. they truly believe they alone are right and everyone else is wrong...

like religious people they take everything they can get their hands out out of context and use it to suport their belief...

they have ORGANIZED meeting places where they talk about their non-belief belief (AKA CHURCH)

they actively try to convert others to their way of life with their campiagns and are pretty damn insistent about it...like religious people

yep it fits the criteria, congrats you morons you are officaially a religious order!
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Male 4,290
[quote]i wonder if a gold star from god has some sort of mystical powers?[/quote]
It has the power to lead you to the appropriate barn in Bethlehem.
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Male 40,269
[quote]lol it`d be kind of hilarious if this didn`t become a flame war - pui[/quote]
LOLZ! That would be funny, eh?
I think that it`s false for humans to say they KNOW what God wants/thinks, it`s supposed to be a matter of Faith eh? So I guess this cartoon might be accurate... but probably not.
Oh wait, there`s the "lukewarm" text in the Bible...
Revelation 3:14-16
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Male 56
bobclean, that`s just another opinionated site, with no study of the actual Bible, just text taken out of it and used out of context for their own agenda.
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Female 169
Jesus has a condo in Boca...I wanna go!
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Male 1,929
BenTheBug: actually it`s a joke between atheists about religion. Let`s not blow it out of proportion.
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Male 80
http://godisimaginary.com/

Title says it all!
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Male 1,451
Well, it`s a good thing I`m an athiest, because I really care what some fictional character thinks about me not believing in him.
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Female 864
Yay ,I love waking up to iab`s favourite subject to discuss and debate lol.
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Male 56
seedofdevil & whelshin explain....
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Male 1,195
So... this is an attack made by Atheists to try to make the point that all religions are wrong and the only true belief is Atheism...

That sounds kind of familiar...
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Male 1,929
Bollocks to God, everything that matters prefers Atheists just for being Atheists. Its a matter of technical superiority.

--I`ll go fetch my marshmallows and some sticks--
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Male 762
"The people portrayed as religious in this comic are people who have misinterpreted the true meaning of their religions. However, it`s a problem that too many religious people hold these incorrect beliefs, and too many atheists think that all people who follow religion act this way."

Oh yay! KeePay finally figured out what the "TRUE" way of his religion is. Man... after thousands of years of squabbling someone finally has an answer. So much for all those non-Christianly Christians who hold their religious beliefs just as close to the heart as you. Maybe YOU could stop by my door at 9:00am this upcoming Saturday and tell me the "truth" already!
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Male 302
Ah yes, because religio is the only reason these wars are fought, not just a guise to gain supporters.
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Male 256
[quote]just checking to see if this quote thing works[/quote]

This really makes me feel sad. if your eye`s are opened and you see God you will know how horrible this is.
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Male 7,808
i wonder if a gold star from god has some sort of mystical powers?
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Male 122
God hates needy people...and the elderly.
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Male 2,229
The comic is funny, due to the use of the stereotypes involved.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I still haven`t got a hang of this italics thing[/quote]

Start italics off with an HTML open quoting tag:

[q u o t e]

End it with an HTML close quoting tag:

[ / q u o t e]

But without the spaces, of course.
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Female 497
ZOMG! I want a gold star!
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Female 3,726
Oh yes, I`m sharing this one!

Atheists 1
Christians 0
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Male 4,290
Ah, if only this were true, and God did value these things.
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Male 493
mrcristo:

I agree with you. The people portrayed as religious in this comic are people who have misinterpreted the true meaning of their religions. However, it`s a problem that too many religious people hold these incorrect beliefs, and too many atheists think that all people who follow religion act this way.
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Female 7,981
Angillion- of course God is english, seems to be a jolly good chap- with some rather odd ideas. Bit like Rowan Williams I suspect LOL>
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Male 4,807
I still haven`t got a hang of this italics thing
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Male 4,807
Angilion.. [quote] God is obviously English, so of course they live in England. [quote].

I always imagined him/her as Irish... LOL
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Male 955
"Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

Owned by self?
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Male 955
rofl thats great
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Female 9,557
Thanks fancy, I really needed a warm up after waking up kind of cold today.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals[/quote]

Seriously? Or are you just stirring up a traditional IAB religious argument thread?

Because it would be a quite remarkable display of either determined ignorance on your part or skillful brainwashing on the part of your trainers for you to reach adulthood and have the opinion you stated.
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Male 12,365
[quote]admisaok: i can hear the arguments coming...[/quote]

[quote]NotionGreco: Awesome. God lives in Boca-good to know.[/quote]

I will argue against this heresy!

God is obviously English, so of course they live in England.
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Male 762
@tenty

Dong be hurt. People who think you need God to have morals dont have a good grasp on reality. Because obviously if there were moral truth the practical implications would suggest that every theist would have the same grasp of morality, and there aren`t two theists on this planet that will agree on what is and is not moral.
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Male 425
"Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

I`m rather hurt by that....
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Male 274
@mrcristo but isnt it also true that god is a lama and that lama`s are evil?
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Male 494
"""mrcristo
Male, 18-29, Western US
282 Posts Monday, May 03, 2010 8:21:20 AM
Just because a person believes in God, it doesn`t mean that they don`t solve their own problems, that their morals are based on fear of spiritual retribution, and they use God`s name to wage wars. I`m a Christian and I don`t do any of that stuff. Matter of fact, anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ shouldn`t do any of that stuff. It`s good that atheists don`t do the hypocritical stuff that some so-called believers do. Except atheists don`t believe in God, so that`s a moot point. There are still lazy theiving warmongering atheists out there. """

Aaand now, it begins. *Epic star wars music*
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Male 281
Just because a person believes in God, it doesn`t mean that they don`t solve their own problems, that their morals are based on fear of spiritual retribution, and they use God`s name to wage wars. I`m a Christian and I don`t do any of that stuff. Matter of fact, anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ shouldn`t do any of that stuff. It`s good that atheists don`t do the hypocritical stuff that some so-called believers do. Except atheists don`t believe in God, so that`s a moot point. There are still lazy theiving warmongering atheists out there.
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Male 75
"Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals"

hahaha
good one
im an atheist and i can laugh at that
by the way
your going to hell for sayin that >=D
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Male 274
*ahem* I guess I`ll be one to try spark all of this off...

Everything in this comic is true! nothing has been added for comical effect, and god doesnt exist.

now how you gonna act? ;)
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Female 1,515
Makes an interesting point
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Male 122
thor, apparently you dont know any atheists, and yes this post is awesome, backs up things ive been saying for a while
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Female 3,574
I like the style this comic is drawn in lol
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Male 10,855
ZING!
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Male 9,305
"this is gonna explode into a shiitstorm of relgious arguing"

123NOT IT! *runs*
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Male 155
This is epic win
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Male 35
I concur
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Male 56
Hmm I didn`t know atheists had morals