Creationism Propaganda Targeting Small Kids

Submitted by: Matwix_2004 7 years ago in Funny

Just sneaking it in there. And is it just us, or does he look a little ape-like too?
There are 349 comments:
Male 20
woah woah woah Christianity makes more sense than evolution............A MAN CHANGING WATER TO, WINE WALKING ON WATER AND A MAN IN THE SKY makes more sense than evolution WTF!
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Female 1,963
I`m sorry, but it`s completely impossible to believe EVERYTHING in the Bible and be a sane, rational human being. Most things, possibly, but there will always be some thing that even the most literal Christian will say is "open to interpretation".

I am NOT anti-religion. I think the Bible can absolutely be used as a guide to living your life, and as such can be used interpretatively. Different people will take different thing out of the bible, but each person should respect each other`s interpretation.

No one can legitimately argue that their interpretation is the correct one, especially not this guy. And children SHOULD NOT be taught personal opinions as facts.
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Male 496
*speculate effectively on the things we do in my opinion.
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Male 496
@Oscola

This is the thing, but then how can Christianities god be the "correct" god? With 100% certainty? I don`t think you can say for sure that you "know" it to be true because there is not, and most likely never will be, any proof that Christianities "god" is the right one to believe in. Lets take this a little further out there right, and say that all gods are fairly similar. Cultures are different however and + diversion over time you could actually have started out with one god, written about by many people that went to different corners of the earth. Even more far out, what if this one "god" was not in fact a god, but a hyper evolved alien species / being doing the equivalent of a primary school science test? We can cultivate live in petri dishes, millions of years down the line we will be able to breathe "life" in the form of organisms onto foreign planets perhaps. There are too many things we don`t know to specu
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Male 349
Just to reiterate....All you Christian science haters, Science will never be able to give full answers to what exactly started existence, that`s where you can always say God comes in, so chill the fcuk out and let Scientists reveal just how amazing it all is in peace. If you take the bible literally please look at this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Now sit down and shut-up.
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Male 349
I`m not religious. I don`t believe that irreducibly complex organic systems exist at all. Intelligent design has not once offered any means of testing it`s own thesis and also has no peer reviewed journals. I have my own God and my own beliefs, I think SOME Christians worry that evolution takes away the need of God and reduces his power, but in actual fact every scientific discovery in my opinion makes God (if there is one) all the more like a pimp. Puffing Adam out of thin air is pretty weak, whereas setting the universe in existence with the laws that it has (it is conceivable there are other universes or dimensions in which laws work in different ways) so that life can come to be is much more detailed and much more interesting than Adam and Eve. If a God did start the universe, the theory of Evolution would suggest that the universe was created with a long plan in mind for life to gradually come into existence (with the random formation of simple proteins that then evolve).
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Male 56
You honestly still think the flagellum is irreducibly complex. Ken Miller (a christian biologist) explained it`s evolution in the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District and explains it well here
The only difference between micro and macroevolution is time taken. Is there a difference between walking a hundred metres and walking a thousand?
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Male 12,365
I`m going to elaborate on the "radiation is the same as evolution" idea.

This is yet more proof that you don`t have any understanding of evolution.

Radiation of the kind used to damage genes, i.e. the kind you refer to, causes random damage to genes.

That is not the same as any amount of time of evolution, let alone thousands or millions of years of evolution. Evolution is not simply random.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Of course all the "poeple who know something about the theory of evolution" in your books are new-darwinists. So of course they are going to say that they are directly related.[/quote]

That would be true simply because people who know something about the theory of evolution know that evolution exists.

You repeatedly make incorrect statements about what evolution is and what the theory of evolution is. You also use creationist words like "darwinists", which was chosen to misrepresent evolution as a personality cult.

I have some admiration for the propaganda skills of creationists. It`s low, but they`re very good at it.

[quote]Instead of trying to insult me, if the irreducible complexity argument is "rubbish", try arguing against it.[/quote]

Why? It`s been debunked many thousands of times. You, and all the other creationists, will just continue to claim it hasn`t been.
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Male 221
The only thing I see wrong with this video is that the people are trying to convince kids into creationism. I am a christian, and I believe in evolution, and I have always thought and wondered if Adam and Eve could have been apes. Christianity and Evolution don`t have to disagree, so I say; let these kids think for themselves instead of teaching them what is "right".
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Male 12,365
[quote]In regard to speciation, I was incorrect. However, for it to occur by evolution it must mean that microevolution leads to macroevolution, which you have yet to respond to.[/quote]

People have responded to it. Put simply, the distinction is false. To respond to it the way you want people to would require accepting the distinction, i.e. to accept a key part of your position as if it was fact.

[quote]@Angilion: Never was a Creationist. And actually, yes. Its not about radiation, it is about causing errors in genetic code.[/quote]

Irradiating animals for a few years is not the same as many millenia of evolution.

[quote]Again, I am not creationist. I am an Intelligent Design..ist.[/quote]

Same thing. You`re just not naming the god you believe is the intelligent designer who created life, i.e. the creator. You believe in a creator and you believe evolution doesn`t exist. You are a creationist.
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Male 12,365
Moefreak: Intelligent design is creationism. It`s just creationism in which they don`t mention the name of their god. In practice, intelligent design is Christian creationism. It`s a rebranding exercise, mainly as an attempt to get Christian creationism placed on a par with science in USA schools.
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Female 1,963
Znaught, no one here is arguing against intelligent design. There is no way that argument can end, as neither side can prove or disprove the existence of god.
Creationism is a whole different story. There are mountains of evidence against it.

You believing in intelligent design has nothing to do with this argument.
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Male 10,855
They`re not irreducibly complex ZNaught they`re redundantly complex.
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Female 385
ZNaught: Ring Species

It describes what ring species are, and gives at least three examples.

And mutations are not rare. Mutations are incredibly common. You are not a perfect blend of Mommy and Daddy. You are a mutant. You contain mutations that your parents do not. You will continue to mutate throughout your life, which could also affect any future children along with the mutations you were born with.
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Male 351
In regard to speciation, I was incorrect. However, for it to occur by evolution it must mean that microevolution leads to macroevolution, which you have yet to respond to.

@Angilion: Never was a Creationist. And actually, yes. Its not about radiation, it is about causing errors in genetic code.

Of course all the "poeple who know something about the theory of evolution" in your books are new-darwinists. So of course they are going to say that they are directly related.

Again, I am not creationist. I am an Intelligent Design..ist.

Instead of trying to insult me, if the irreducible complexity argument is "rubbish", try arguing against it. Don`t bother responding if you feel that because you can get an insult in somewhere it is somehow allowing you to win.

@sadpanda1990: Cool story, so the eye is not irreducibly complex. That doesn`t mean other structures such as the flagellum is not.

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Male 351
@Yaezakura: Source?

As I said, they couldn`t have evolved together because of how rare mutations really are. Reread my entire post.

Yes, this is on page 2 (currently)

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Female 385
joanielspeak: ...Really? What a closed-minded view of language. As a writer, let me share my own view.

Every word in a language is like a tool. Every tool serves a purpose. There are times when the only way to properly convey certain ideas IS to use swear words. The words are powerful for the very reason you dislike them--they catch attention, they express frustration at the situation, and they are often seen by the uptight as taboo. After all, words only have what power and meaning you give them. Your dislike of swearing is what makes swearing such an effective tool.

And, honestly, if you feel the need to consult a thesaurus to properly express your opinions, it would suggest that you have a rather poor natural vocabulary. YOU then become the one who doesn`t know enough English to form complete and coherent sentences.
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Female 122
Swearing, to me, is a sign of weakness and laziness. Someone who is getting frustrated, upset, angry, or feels wounded or attacked often swears as a defense mechanism. To come off mature and intelligent, people should trying looking through a thesaurus to accurately select the ideal words for their arguments. I don`t bother reading posts by people who swear because they are either letting their emotions get the best of them or don`t know enough proper English to form complete and coherent sentences.

Folks should be glad IAM alters swear words. Then we can tell who among us is the "immature retard".
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Female 1,963
mchudson: "I don’t see how you could be a Christian and not also be a Creationist."

There are practically no Christians who take every single part of the bible literally. And once you don`t take absolutely everything literally, what grounds do you have for taking any of it literally?

Also, why on earth couldn`t you use the word correlation? If your study found a correlation, then you can say it found a correlation.
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Male 255
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
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Male 54
I recently had a creationist (who also had a PhD) come into my class and give a lecture on creationism. It was pretty interesting and he had some valid points, but even I knew a few things of what he said were incorrect.

For example, take Genesis 1. Everyone says it`s like a Hebrew poem (explanation of why there are so many contradictions) but there are still a lot of contradictions throughout the Bible and even in Genesis where there is no evidence of poetic structure.


From the video I`m 90% sure that it`s filmed in America (where they have no Religious Education), so the parents must of brought their children to attend the presentation, so don`t go all `z0mg wut dis bullshet? ur lyin to kidz` because there will always be parental influences in our children.
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Male 10,855
1337 15 41w4y5 4n 0p7i0n mithraela.
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Female 122
Kill them all now.
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Female 249
Mithraela - if you don`t like it make your own website and do whatever you want over there.
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Female 535
In fact, what I do is "Flower" my speech with it. I happen to enjoy my freedom of speech and these words are a part of my freedom. In themselves, they are harmless and, for me, the most efficient way to drive specific points. I am an artist and musician and to be censored is anathema. We should not fear words. In my house they are all used liberally, and it has removed the bite and restored their place as a part of language. We do not insult in my house, but express ourselves honestly. Good day, Madduck, but your point was pointless.
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Female 7,995
Mithraela- try not swearing! I doubt you litter your speech with it, if you write using a mild expletive it comes through ok. No real need to f and blind.
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Female 535
I seriously hate this phucking content editor. Censorship urks me. Turning phuck to drat and schit to poot is one of the most childish things I`ve seen and makes me sound like an immature asss. Who, but an immature retard talks that way?
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Female 535
I`m sure some people with even a modicum of intelligence might notice that we ARE ape-like creatures. I think creationists are afraid of the idea that we are animals, in general. But, our bipedal bodies, with bicameral brains, pheromones, full coat of subtle "fur", etc. sort of give it away amongst a million other things. Since we ARE animals, what kind are we? Ape-like. I suppose there`s no denying we come from some sort of ape-like creature, because that`s exactly what our stupid parents are, as well as ourselves. But what type of ape-like creatures we came from still begs to be answered. Even Darwin`s statement about this was speculation on his part; more commented on than researched. A hypothesis. But this doesn`t disprove evolution, as evolution is an ever observable process which encompasses all life. It`s not really about us, but everything. Narcissism makes for pooty science. Creationists can`t see past their own glasses. Sadly, they still find a way to survive.
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Male 558
what a feckin` load o` bollocks... AND I`m a christian! the behemoth song is awesome tho...
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Male 56
ZNaught, irreducibly complexity is bull.
For a while, the eye was touted as being irreducibly complex but as we learned more about molluscs, we saw that they had many degrees of "half eyes" which the creationists would say are useless.
There are molluscs that have light sensitive skin, there`s ones that have light sensitive skin in a type of dip as to pick up the general direction the light comes from, etc. We can see that the eye developed in stages along with all other "irreducibly complex system".
As per your idea of natural selection, It just singles out the most useful mutations for animals to have in their specific habitat.
Random mutations happen, if this mutation is slightly longer legs, it is likely to be good for antelopes and other grazers who outrun predators. If it is slightly smaller legs, then it will be detrimental to antelopes but may be good for an animal with greater need for agility than speed.
These traits will be passed on i
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Male 56
ZNaught, speciation (macroevolution) has been observed by anyone with the time. Any biologist who can`t observe it is poor at dealing with experiments.
Saying microvolution happens but not macroevolution is like saying you can walk 10 metres but not a mile.Observed instances of speciation
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Male 56
MildCorma, a scientific theory tends to be the thing that explains facts.
The laws of gravity say something will be pulled towards a bigger object and the theory explains it.
Scientific theories in mathematical fields tend to be collections of laws.
That said, nothing can be proven without a shadow of a doubt except maths. Science, unlike religious dogma, changes when new evidence appears. It learns.
You can`t expect the first caveman in history to have understood what is fire when they created it.
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Female 385
[quote]But i don`t think our understanding of evolution explains everything. We should be allowed to question it more without ridicule.[/quote]

Questioning evolution is fine. It is encouraged, even. Denying that it happens, however, because you prefer to cling to the beliefs of bronze-age goat herders, is entirely deserving of ridicule.
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Male 56
mchudson, I know that citing wikipedia is a bad idea for political topics or history but to get a simple definiton of what a scientific theory, where else would I go?
There is a huge difference in the layman`s term of theory and a scientific theory. That`s all I was trying to get through.
Only hypotheses which have been proven valid over decades of work and examination are promoted to scientific theory level.
I have no problem with christians but my problem with creationists is the same problem with geocentrists (yes, they do exist) and hollow earthers.
It is just complete rejection of facts even though their idea goes against so much.
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Male 239
Evolution really isn`t complicated. It`s just small differences in creatures. The ones that possess something that aids in their survival, and therefore their ability to reproduce, will pass those genes on.

But i don`t think our understanding of evolution explains everything. We should be allowed to question it more without ridicule.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion…that is what I have been saying this whole time and everyone has jumped me about it for saying that science and faith are two separate things. I’m not trying to mix them at all…everyone else is turning what I said to make it sound like I am.[/quote]

Wrong. You clearly stated your interaction with your god is a tangible, real thing, i.e. that it can be detected and measured, that it is a testable and falsifiable hypothesis. That`s the realm of science. You are not keeping the two seperate.

If you didn`t intend the words `this confusion` to refer to the thing you`d written about just before, what did you intend to refer to?
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Male 12,365
I`m becoming more certain that creationists know they`re saying things that aren`t true. The same stuff is regurgitated over and over again, despite being (a) ridiculous and (b) debunked over and over again.

I think it`s a form of attrition. It`s easier to repeat something than it is to debunk it properly and it`s easier to just listen or read it than it is to follow the references, examine the data, etc. So if creationists continue with the same disinformation over and over again, it will build up.

For example, who in their right mind would still be using the irreducible complexity rubbish and think it was true?
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Male 69
"can you find the word dinosaur in the bible? no, it`s a new word too"
Horribly horribly flawed logic there you ignorant twit.
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Male 12,365
[quote]In the lab we have blasted populations of fruit flies with radiation for years.[/quote]

Do you really think that`s a valid substitute for a million years of evolution in the real world? Which, I hasten to add, does not contain that much radiation anyway.

Can you find an example of *someone who knows something about the theory of evolution* and who makes this distinction between microevolution and macroevolution as being two completely different things, not related at all?

All I see is creationists who don`t have any understanding of evolution at all making up a distinction so they can continue to ignore the evolution that is continually being observed.
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Female 250
ok, not to knock any religion. or start any arguments.
But i have an issue with that guy saying (and i am going to paraphrase) "where scientists always around - no, who was - god. so we should believe the bible because it is the word of god"
Ok, my question to him. Who wrote the bible?
(man; about 100AD.) So, who wasn`t there in the beginning - just like the scientists - the men who wrote out and decided what books would go in the bible.
And we know throughout history that men are always biased to one side or another.


on another note...who is to say that science and the bible can`t agree on some parts. god made the earth in 7 days....what is a day to god? (i am not thinking one rotation of the earth here - who knows we might still be on the 7th -resting- day)
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Male 10,855
Only if you interpret it LITERALLY mchudson. Most Christians don`t believe in a literal interpretation one reason it contains very notable contradictions. As I`ve said before in this long debate many Christians have reconciled their beliefs with evolution.
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Male 349
When I die I bloody hope I just get eaten by worms and blown like dust in the wind. No way I want to be stuck chatting this sort of crap with blinded people for eternity. My final post, I`m getting out now. McHudson.....search for Skewed Views of Science on IAB or youtube, watch it properly and take in what it says, it is only 10minutes, then ask yourself what you actually know about evolution and if you actually understand it and then base an UNBIAS judgement. It`s 10 minutes, probably the longest bitchslap you`ve had this year.
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Female 67
MildCorma…that is what I was saying…a theory isn’t a fact because there is no absolute truth. Even if there is 0.000000000000000000000000001% of a doubt you cannot consider it a law or fact. Heck I couldn’t even use the word correlation in my capstone research project even though I used a Pearson’s r measurement of correlation and found significance. It would have to be repeated a hundreds of more times with thousands of different populations in order to begin to even use the word.
As for being a creationist, I don’t see how you could be a Christian and not also be a Creationist. What’s the first line in the Bible? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (paraphrased….I’m too lazy to look it up). I apologize for what happened to you at your church. Remember, the church is made up of people, and people are sinners. We churches turn their focus away from God and love then people can get seriously hurt.

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Female 67
Yaezakura…why do you challenge me and then in a later post say the exact same thing that I was saying?
Angilion…that is what I have been saying this whole time and everyone has jumped me about it for saying that science and faith are two separate things. I’m not trying to mix them at all…everyone else is turning what I said to make it sound like I am. Evolution is the best theory science has….doesn’t mean it’s true, but it’s scientific. When I am in my science courses I think from the evolution standpoint because that is what is scientific and all we have to work with right now.
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Female 385
Znaught... everything you just said is just... so much fail. It is truly fail in epic amounts.

Speciation (the creation of a new species by way of it no longer being able to breed with the original stock) has been observed both in the field and in the lab. We even have "species rings" of things like lizards. In these rings, A can breed with B, B can breed with C, but C cannot breed with A. C has become too different from A, but B is close enough to both A and C to breed with either. There`s even examples where there`s a D, which can breed with C, but not with either A or B.

And with "irreducible complexity", the entire concept is ridiculous. Of course you can`t just randomly remove part of a complex organ and expect it to work. That organ`s parts have evolved together. Cases where one part evolved and made it fail ended up with natural selection killing them off. Remember: Tiny changes, sometimes good, sometimes neutral, adding up over time.
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Male 10,855
Here are some academic articles.
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Male 1,625
Ugh God damnit... I`m moving to europe.
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Male 10,855
Your referring to Speciation ZNaught, it has been observed. Multiple times. Check your odds.
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Male 351
cell?*
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Male 351
They would need to develop over time. The problem with this is that these individual parts would have no use and would not be favored by natural selection. Not to mention that they would need to breed perfectly for all these parts or genes to come together within a single or a few individuals. Now for a new part of an organism to even be developed or rather mutated, it would require ~5+ genes at a minimum, however the chances of even one mutation to occur within an individual is extremely low, but 5? That is about 1/1000000000000000.

Natural selection simply does not work on the large scale.

Now lets think about the small scale such as a cell. What creates DNA? Proteins. What creates proteins? Ribosomes. What creates Ribosomes? Proteins. What creates Proteins and Ribosomes? The genetic information stored in DNA. And yet this came from some body of water with chemicals in it that just happened to bump into each other and by chance form all the necessary parts of a ce
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Male 351
@Yaezakura: Wrong. Microevolution is small changes within a population. Natural selection singling out certain traits that were already in the population to begin with but are favored by natural selection.

The problem is with macroevolution, or a new species being "created", is that it has never been observed. In the lab we have blasted populations of fruit flies with radiation for years. The only change this creates is that of microevolution, where only traits already in the genetic material are moved, duplicated, mutated so that they are no longer performing their function or anything else really. For macroevolution to exist, these modifications must make the 2 "new" individuals unable to reproduce with their former population. This has yet to occur.

Another problem is that there are systems which are irreducibly complex. These systems need all the different parts to perform their function, however all of these parts could not have developed wit
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Female 385
[quote]Back, and too lazy to reread everything. So once again, macroevolution has not been proven and it likely impossible. Discuss.[/quote]
There is no such thing as micro- and macro- evolution. There is simply evolution examined over different timescales.

What you see as "micro-evolution" is evolution in the short term. For instance, a wolf becoming a dog. There is a difference, but not a major one. This takes a few thousand years. The domestication of wolves into dogs began roughly 10,000 years ago.

What you see as "macro-evolution" is evolution in the long-term. When the dog has accumulated so many little changes that it no longer recognizably comes from wolf stock. This takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years.

It`s what separates a mouse from a flying squirrel from a bat. All are rodents, but they`re very different rodents, because they evolved in different ways.
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Male 446
What the hell? He can`t use pictures of my grandparents like that in his powerpoint! F*ckin` Facebook.
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Male 351
Back, and too lazy to reread everything. So once again, macroevolution has not been proven and it likely impossible. Discuss.

I myself am in the "Intelligent Design" crowd. I would agree that this "LAWL X,000 year old earth" stuff is completely false.
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Female 385
[quote]There might be enough evidence (a complete boatload) to make this theory a 99.999% probability but it still is not considered a "Law" until there is unquestionable evidence of absolute proof. We can`t be sure that the theory of evolution is true because we simply have not been around long enough to observe the process correctly and entirely.[/quote]
Just to correct you here. Evolution can`t really be law because it doesn`t involve math. Scientific laws require a mathematical formula that is always correct under a specific set of circumstances. Such as the mathematical formula for flight in earth`s atmosphere.

This is why the scientific illiterate throw out the "it`s just a theory!" defense. They do not understand that in scientific terms, "theory" is the highest level of truth that does not involve mathematical certainty.
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Male 928
Either he doesn`t understand evolution or he`s being totally disingenuous. I suspect the latter.
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Male 496
@mchudson (again)

So are you a creationist or just a christian? NOthing against christians at all, but creationists I do have trouble with. You must understand that people bashing away at religion here are mainly having a go at creationism rather than chritianity, and i think some of the things churches do are unrivalled in alot of communities which is a shame but also a great thing. I have helped out at my local church but they stopped inviting me when I outed as an atheist, quite suprised tbh i honestly thought a helping hand was a helping hand but what can you do. May I ask, did you choose christianity because of the church and its people or did you choose it because it felt right?
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Male 496
sigh, mispell *might be fact* instead of *might not be fact* sorry.
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Male 496
@ mchudson

Just pointing out something to you here. So you are doing a degree in science but you misunderstand what a "theory" really is in scientific terms. A theory is only a theory because there is no absolute proof. There might be enough evidence (a complete boatload) to make this theory a 99.999% probability but it still is not considered a "Law" until there is unquestionable evidence of absolute proof. We can`t be sure that the theory of evolution is true because we simply have not been around long enough to observe the process correctly and entirely.

"I did the "hard" research for you and looked it up and here is the definition of theory -a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact." They might be fact, but in the scientific community unless another theory is forthcoming it is treated as such.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Evolution is a "THEORY" in the same way that GRAVITY is a theory (i.e. it`s a FACT)[/quote]

Yes.

It`s a common misunderstanding.

Gravity is a fact. The theory of gravity is a theory explaining gravity. Gravity is not a theory - the theory is the explanation of it.

Likewise for evolution.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Every one of 1000 religions have a differant creation. Did Juno or Oden or Jehova or some other god make the world? [/quote]

Just for the sake of accuracy - the creation story of ancient Roman religion didn`t have Juno making the world. As far as I know, that religion didn`t have a creation story. Ancient Rome was very much about Rome - what happened before Rome existed wasn`t important.

If they had had a creation story, I think it`s unlikely that they would have ascribed creation solely to one god, especially a female god. Rome in the early days had extremely gendered roles and an act of such supreme power wouldn`t have fitted their feminine roles at all. Also...that would have meant that Juno created Jupiter (and all the other gods, of course). The ancient Romans wouldn`t have bought that.
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Male 154
haha. hey, christians, prove it. we can prove our theories.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Science demands facts and hard evidence. Growing up in a world that is strongly based on science, it is understandable how we demand those very things in our every day lives. However, it is this confusion that keeps us from experiencing Christ in a real and tangible way (which can only be done through stepping out in faith). [/quote]

How do you considers facts and hard evidence to be confusion?

If you, or anyone else, actually experienced Christ in a real and tangible way, then Christ would be detectable, measurable, etc, i.e. part of science and therefore not faith at all. You said yourself that the two are very different things, so you should know better than to mix them. There`s nothing real and tangible about it - it`s faith, i.e. belief without anything tangible. It might be real in your head, but that`s equally true for hallucinations.
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Female 1,677
"If Harry Potter mentions London, it doesn`t make the book real."

:O

Lies!
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Female 385
[quote]I am getting my degree in psychology which at my school (Purdue, not “University of Holy Jesus”) is a considered a bachelor of science. [/quote]
See, it helps a lot when you mention what the degree is for. You`re getting a "bachelor`s degree of science in psychology". Saying just "bachelor`s of science" makes it sound like you don`t know what you`re talking about. Especially since you seem to know nothing about science. Such as when you quoted the common usage definition of "theory" when asked for its definition in a scientific context. With which the Wikipedia article that was cited is quite correct.

Of course, now I`m sitting here terrified of the idea of someone who`s unable to distinguish reality from fantasy going into the mental health field. How is someone who`s delusional supposed to help other people with mental problems?
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Male 10,855
...and credibility.
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Male 10,855
Every time creationists try to prove their point, they only damage their and Christianity`s reputation.
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Female 67
Oscola…Jesus offered the man the kingdom of heaven prior to saying that when He challenged him to give all his possessions away to the poor. The man was too in love with his fancy things and financial security to give it up, and instead trust in the LORD to provide for him so he didn’t do it. Again, it comes down to faith…faith in Jesus, which he didn’t have. The more you have, the harder it is to give those things up because you become more and more dependent on them. This is why I believe Jesus said it is difficult for a rich man to reach the kingdom of God.
Oh and as a side note, I’m not Catholic so I don’t really follow, nor agree with a Pope…not to get into a whole new argument. I grew up Catholic…never went well with me. That why I started searching for something else….mostly stuff to disprove God all together.
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Female 67
Sadpanda1990…just a tad of advice. If you plan on going to college or are already there, don’t ever cite Wikipedia. It isn’t a credible source.
Erock510…I am getting my degree in psychology which at my school (Purdue, not “University of Holy Jesus”) is a considered a bachelor of science.
Madduck…you make a good point. I definitely dislike fundamentalists. I hate how when the term Christian comes up, the majority of people think of a crazy man on a street corner with a bullhorn telling everyone they are going to hell. In fact, one of my personal church’s mission is to change the American view of Christians one person at a time. It’s tough to do…as you can see from earlier posts.
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Female 11
xDD The kid at 0:51 looks as if he`s A) Frightened or B) Feels his IQ lower by listening to this guy talk haha
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@ Erocks

Yeah, I questioned her on that and she didn`t reply. I think it`s the science degree they give at the University of Holy Jesus, she did her dissertation in Biology in which she determined how exactly Adams ribs grew back so that men and women have the same amount even though he pulled one out.


One more thing I just thought....if all the bible is literal and it is more likely a camal to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven, the Pope is screwed. Along with EVERY western christian who is better off than the vast majority of the third world. You lot who take the bible literally, whilst sitting on your home PC, sipping on aradica coffee and watching your flat screen TV.....you`re screwed.
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Female 7,995
Mchudson- you should not have to defend your faith ( ok I don`t share it) at all- I agree, there is a difference between faith and fact. I assume without reading 20k posts on here, that whilst you are of a religious persuasion you do not go for this crap? I think the issue people on here have is not with christians per se, but with fundamentalist nutters. Normal rational christians ( and muslims etc) do not make good posts for this board- so we only see the idoits!
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Male 9
@Mchudson...A bachelor degree is "science"?
lol....I majored in "reading & writing" myself....with a minor in "`rithmatic"
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Male 384
had too stop watching the second he said "i dont believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago".
tell ya what- this is too easy, and this guy, well, fundies, i`ll give ya a mulligan here.
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Male 34
Anti-Evolution people, answer me this:
If creationism is right, and the Earth is only a couple thousand years old, how do you prove it... where is your evidence? Don`t tell me it`s in the Bible, you need more than that. Where is your hard evidence? Don`t tell me you just `believe` it`s true either... I can believe the Solar System is Geocentric, but that doesn`t make it true. Anyone know why public schools don`t teach creationism or intelligent design (unless its a Catholic school)? Because you can`t prove it. There`s no supporting evidence other than a 2000 year old book and the words of a couple people. Religion was originally a method of maintaining power over people... Now it is a method to live life by giving you good morals to live by... but it still has a bit of craziness in there... they all do. You have to learn to take some things with a grain of salt... Oh, and don`t believe your religion is the `one true religion`... that`s just bullsh** and starts wars.
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Male 965
Ugh...
Having an opinion is one thing. Willfully ignoring facts and evidence is just sad.
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Male 302
I`m a Christian, but I also believe in evolution and the big bang theory.

People should be able to make an informed decision, and that does not mean getting brain-washed when you`re barely old enough to talk.
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Male 1,610
@Crakrjak



Even helicopters are useless against them.
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Male 14,331
Also if I were to belive the Adam and Eve fairytale wouldn`t that make us all inbred? Religions are bulls**t to control people, all of them.
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Male 14,331
Faith is just an excuse for something religion can`t prove. If the bible is the word of god why did it have to be written and rewritten by man the same goes for all other religions.
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Female 67
I actually wasn`t lacking anything at the time I converted...nor was I even searching. No one talked me into it, in fact, no one would even bring up the idea of God to me because I was so against it.
And for you to sit there and ask me to tell you evidence when my first post was talking about how science and faith are different only shows that you have poor listening skills.
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Male 2,440
Creationism: Because simply saying "God did it" requires much less thought.
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Male 56
mchudson
"In the sciences, a scientific theory (also called an empirical theory) comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts." -wikipedia
Other scientific theories include germs, electricity and electromagnetism, atoms, gravity and the idea that the earth rotates around the sun.
To make it simpler, say you have some courses in your college where you do practical classes also. Everything else is theory as in studying how it works while the practical is just observing it.
Evolution is a fact and the theory explains how it works.
"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution" - Evolutionary biologist and Russian Orthodox Christian Theodosius Dobzhansky
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Male 349
McHudson,

when you explored "every option" was it from an objective standpoint or were you searching for something that you felt was missing inside your life and so creating bias? Don`t even TRY to say objective, born agains always come from a place of searching. If you are a scientist you will be able to answer in terms of careful reasoning and evidential proof why you believe creationism is more viable than evolution, should be interesting to hear. I do hope you`re science degree (didn`t know they did a degree called simply "science" but hey-ho) teaches you about proof, evidence and bias, otherwise you aren`t really a scientist.
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Female 67
DigitalPagan (nice name by the way)...before you start telling me too look up definitions, why don`t you look them up yourself. I am happy to be getting my bachelor degree in science this year and just so you know theories are not facts. I did the "hard" research for you and looked it up and here is the definition of theory -a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. (Dictionary.com)

So why don`t you do yourself a favor and get educated instead of talking to me like you know everything. If you actually had a good point I would have cared to listen more.

Also, Oscola...as for saying that I have been "blinded by faith into not questioning the world around me"...I happen to be a very young Christian (it`s been 2 1/2 years now) and before that I explored every option. Trust me...I question every single thing I hear
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Male 56
There`s a lot of archaeological evidence supporting the vedas also but you don`t hear about that because you don`t live in a hindu society.
If Harry Potter mentions London, it doesn`t make the book real.
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Male 382
* Christian Facepalm *
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Male 56
There`s a lot of archaeological evidence supporting the vedas also but you don`t hear about that because you don`t live in a hindu society.
If Harry Potter mentions London, it doesn`t make the book real.
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Male 349
Phosphor....I`m assumuming that you`re joking and trying to keep this going. If not please never enter the gene pool. You shouldn`t shut your mind off to possibilities, of course not, until they are proven to within 99.99999% chance of being absolute bollocks.
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Male 308
I`m not defending this video, but I should say, there is A LOT of evidence that supports some of what is said in the bible... I mean real archaeological evidence... we should probably try to keep a balanced mind, not absolutely shutting out all of the aspects of one view point, and assume the other is infallible.
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Male 19
Someone says that the entire bible is a history book? That`s really odd, not once have we found evidence to support the anciet hebrews being in Egypt. With so many thousands of slaves that were needed by them, why is it we find nothing in the sands? We do find Summerian, Babylonian, Asyrian debris and other archilogical evidence of them being enslaved in large numbers by the Egyptians. Leads me to believe that the Hebrews stoled the Ancient Summerian beliefs.
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Male 19
Wow, this is the biggest crock I`ve seen in a long time. No dinosaurs in the bible. Cmon people, THINK!!! For all of you Christians, I just want to know one thing, how big was Noah`s Ark? Now do you really honestly and truthfuly think dinosaurs fitted inside the ark with all the other animals Noah rescued? Yeah I so see T-Rexs standing around in Eden talking amongst themselfs. Hey you see those humans over there? The big guy says there off limits. Gosh Christians have such wonderful and fertile imaginations.
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Male 349
Freedom is the ability to say 2 + 2 = 4
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Male 349
Exactly. Christianity came LONG after most other religions, and they all have their own story of creation. Each one probably made sense at the time but it becomes apparent over time and better scientific understanding that they are either metaphors, wrong, or the details just don`t matter that much.

I`m not religious but I do believe in God. I also am very very scientific in my approach to the world and actually think that the more you look into quantum or metaphysics the more it makes God (should you choose to believe in him) look like an absolute pimp for creating something so ridiculously detailed.
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Male 39,547
Creationism? Which one? Oh, only the christian myth....biggots.

Every one of 1000 religions have a differant creation. Did Juno or Oden or Jehova or some other god make the world?

Everyone knows the world rides on the back of a Great Turtle! DUH!
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Female 7,995
You ARE ignorant if you believe in creationism. It is perfectly possible to be a christian and accept evolution. You may be intelligent and believe in creationism- but you are certainly ignorant and/or self deceiving.
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Male 349
@Mchudson

Open your freaking eyes. I understand evolution and it`s evidence and I understand creationism and it`s evidence and evolution wins hands down. You either haven`t understoon the overwhelming evidence for evolution or you have been blinded by faith into not questioning the world around you.

It`s like police turning up at a house, find a man stabbing someone to death, with scratches on their face and dna under the victims fingernails and a shopping list in the attackers pocket for lime, a shovel, a large knife and hydrochloric acid and then wondering if a magic monkey did it by winking at a tree which stabbed the victim with its branches.

RE-TAR-DED.
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Male 49
mchudson:
Evolution is a "THEORY" in the same way that GRAVITY is a theory (i.e. it`s a FACT) look up the definition of "Scientific Theory" please.. Do yourself a huge favor and educate yourself, think for yourself, and quit being an ignorant follower of the Buy-Bull.
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Female 169
I remember when a similar speaker came to my aunt`s church for a series of lecutures. We went to the one on dinosaurs and fossil evidence cuz I was dino-mad. I don`t remember much of it except He cited a bible verse with a dinosaur in it.

Job 40:15-18 "Behold the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron.

Some will tell you it is a hippopotomus...but in my heart it will always be a dinosaur.
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Female 67
Alright, I`m definitely a Creationist, but I don`t believe in everything this video says. HOWEVER, I can`t believe all of your reactions to this video! How is it that children learn evolution several times in school during their lifetime, and that ONE event that says otherwise is all of a sudden propaganda and is "brainwashing" them. I`m not in any way shape or form saying that we shouldn`t teach our children evolution because it is science and it is the best scientific THEORY that we have to this day. However, science and faith are two very different things. Science demands facts and hard evidence. Growing up in a world that is strongly based on science, it is understandable how we demand those very things in our every day lives. However, it is this confusion that keeps us from experiencing Christ in a real and tangible way (which can only be done through stepping out in faith).
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Male 17,512
Yaezakura: Just because the bible says we were made in Gods image doesn`t mean we are as powerful as him. Of course we do not need to sacrifice a lamb like Abraham did, Jesus was the sacrifice on the cross. God now asks Christians to sacrifice their time and wealth to help others.

Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: "Love your neighbor as yourself." All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
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Female 385
[quote]I think that debating the "evolved from apes" vs "evolved from a common ancestor" is pointless. Those who are disgusted by an ape ancestor would be even more appalled by a more primitive ancestor.[/quote]
Combating ignorance is never pointless. It`s not even a subject open to debate. Human beings are a species of ape, which evolved from a more primitive species of ape, which evolved from a primitive species of monkey, which evolved from a primitive species of primate, which evolved from a primitive species of mammal, etc etc. Of course, that`s an incredibly simplified version of things, but it`s the basic gist of what happened.

And if the idea of having evolved from an ape ancestor is appalling to anyone, they must find the entire human species to be utterly disgusting. Since we`re apes and all.
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Male 440
I am on the side of evolution BTW !
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Male 440
I think that debating the "evolved from apes" vs "evolved from a common ancestor" is pointless. Those who are disgusted by an ape ancestor would be even more appalled by a more primitive ancestor. It is this disgust rather than logic which blinds them. That and faith...
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Male 117
But still, the point is, they`re spreading lies. Scariest thing is that (as with the woman talking in the video) some of these people somehow thinks this makes MORE sense than verifiable scientific evidence to the opposite...

I`m just thinking *those poor kids*, you can see how amazingly impressionable they are at such a young age, brainwashing like this shouldn`t happen on either side of the fence.
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Male 298
god created a perfect world:that`s why its got paedophiles raping toddlers on video, cancer eating the brains of babies, parasites that come from polluted drinking water and slowly blind the already malnourished, white phosporus bombs, the slow death of dememtia, MRSA,ted bundy, anacephalus in Belarus, catholic priests torturing children, rape as a weapon in Rwanda, stillbirth, and somewhere in this world this second a man is murdering his partner cos we all know that men are superior to women, cos that`s what the bible tells us.....
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Male 159
This is some scary stuff, i worry for the future if these people, well, what the drat?
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Female 385
[quote]NO ONE EVER said humans evolved from apes. not darwin. having a common ancestor and evolving from are two worlds of difference[/quote]
Well, you`re half right. We did not evolve from any ape species alive today. But we did evolve from a species of ape, because we ARE apes.
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Female 654
that is not scientific fact. Any anthropologist can set you right if you listen to them instead of pretending what you want to make yourself feel right.
NO ONE EVER said humans evolved from apes. not darwin. having a common ancestor and evolving from are two worlds of difference
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Female 654
my grandma looks like that..
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Male 75
I just wanna hit that old geezer, brainwashing all those innoncent kids, not letting those kids think for them selfs cus otherwise they meabe could form a treath when they grow up. first I thought they where ok but now just just hate those guys.
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Female 31
I looked up Job chapter 40, verse 15, and it says that it`s about a hippo. And it`s not his tail that`s like a cedar tree, but another `appendage`...
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Female 149
Holy poo. I loved that song, it`s like something Williams Street invented.
But yeah, the ending of that was pretty damn scary. Those kids are going to grow up to form some really creepy families.
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Male 130
I hate it when people target children and deny pure scientific fact
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Male 1,360
that just proves how human minds can evolve in the wrong way.Fanatism, brainwashing like the nazis did.Sad
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Male 1,215
Scary that people are blissfully and purposefully living in ignorance. Even worse they want to send their kids down that path. "I believe because I refuse to think". That should be their motto.
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Male 3,076
yeah yeah we always need some one to rip on when the gingers gets extinct }-)
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Male 541
God dammit this pisses me off. Brain rape is what it is... The man should be shot for being a drating piece of nothing.. Thanks for ruining my day IAB
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Male 10,855
Well said GRadde.
I`ll add to what I`ve said much earlier in this debate. The Founding Fathers believed that God`s existence or whether or not Jesus was alive had no bearing on day-to-day life.
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Male 10,855
The Bible was never interpreted as fact up until the late 1800s when dispensationalism came about. Some may cite geocentrism as an example that it was but it was around long before the catholic church was formed. The Bible was never meant to be taken literally. I`m not saying some of the stories are false, just that they were inflated.
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Male 1,265
If there`s one thing that starkly stands out in my mind when it comes to why the Abrahamic God is worthy only of contempt, it is the story of Moses and how God "hardened the Pharaoh`s heart" so that the people would not be released. The Egyptians were then subsequently punished as a people for the crimes of one man, who was influenced by God into committing them in the first place.

By the way, "hatred toward God"? That`s like hating Voldemort, or Megatron, or any other unpleasant fictional character.
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Male 2,552
0:50-0:52
I just love his face... "You`ve gotta be kidding!"

In other news. I am a Christian, and I simply find this kind of thing embarrassing. Terribly embarrassing, both to base their historical "evidence" on that they believe it, and therefore it must be true, and to completely ignore all scientific data not shoved in their faces in the form of actual bones and scelleti of dinosaurs. But does this change what they teach? No, they simply incorperate it into the previous teachings without basis other than belief.

Belief is a spiritual matter, and it is of my opinion that believing whether or not there is a god or not is seperate from science. Let`s not confuse the two, one only comes across as a moron when doing so.
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Male 56
@greatjob
I hope you`re a troll.
"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution"
-Theodosius Dobzhansky (evolutionary biologist and a christian)
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Male 32
So evolutionist please show me your evidence for your belief in evolution.
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Female 385
[quote]The moral, God provides for the faithful, Sometimes in unusual and unexpected ways.

Looking at God through `humanistic` goggles is like an ant judging you for stepping on it`s mound and not providing it a free picnic to feed on.[/quote]
God provides for the faithful? And the "faithful" would be those who are willing to commit an unarguably evil act (the killing of an innocent child) because God says so? I guess the faithful who starve to death every day just weren`t willing to shed enough innocent blood. I guess those faithful who are the victims of murder or rape or assault weren`t up to snuff because they weren`t as cruel as their attackers.

And the ant thing is just silly. Unlike ants, we are "made in God`s image". That means, when taken at face value, that we have the same capacities as God, including judging right from wrong. And frankly, your God is on the "wrong" side far more often than the "right" one.
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Male 2,868
aaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhh! my head just imploded.
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Male 56
"God said it, I believe it, That settles it!" GAH! this is sad really...
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Male 17,512
davymid: Your deep seated hatred toward God is disturbing. Did you not get a birthday present you prayed for or something ?

The Abraham Isaac story prophecies how God was to sacrifice his own son, Jesus, To pay our debt of sin. Yes, It was a test of Abraham`s faith and he passed. God provided a Ram for the sacrifice instead. The moral, God provides for the faithful, Sometimes in unusual and unexpected ways.

Looking at God through `humanistic` goggles is like an ant judging you for stepping on it`s mound and not providing it a free picnic to feed on.
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Male 503
silly christians... this is what i think of your religion
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Female 999
Um, I`m sorry, but why can`t it be both? Cain was sent out to live with the "others" and to say that plants and animals can`t and/or don`t change over time is silly.
and by the way, it`s pretty stupid and small minded to say that God is against science. Shouldn`t they go hand in hand? If there is a "bigger than all being", couldn`t he have made all this, with an eye to physics without being the off-base "god" so many people have in mind?
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Female 1,427
"Creationists are just what happens when no one tells the kid Santa isn`t real."

QFT
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Male 12,138
In fact, if he was an unpaid IAB Mod, like we all are, I`d have him kicked for being a power-hungry c*nt. And if God wouldn`t cut it as an internet moderator, I`d hardly hold him in high esteem as being the Lord of All...
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Male 12,138
[quote]so if god told you to jump off a bridge... [/quote]
He did something much more abhorrent than that, according to the Bible. He told Abraham to tie his son Isaac to an altar, and to sacrifice him under the knife. Abraham blindly followed the decree of God, and as daddy was about to plunge the knife into his son`s chest, God stepped in at the last minute with a sentiment that can only be described in the 21st century as "Nah, buddy, I was jes` f*cking wid ya. We cool. Go kill a sheep instead. Just testin` ya."

Now, replay the story again in you head from the boy Isaac`s perspective.

If God exists, he`s an abhorrent f*cking wanker, and you can keep him. In the 21st Century, he`d be arrested under Social Services for psychological abuse.
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Male 17
so if god told you to jump off a bridge...
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Male 10,855
My point Angilion was that I`m not expert on relativity or theoretical physics. I`m majoring in Aerospace Engineering, and thus I`m not going to waste my time, or anyone else`s, by criticizing someone about a well-recognized topic I`m not an expert in nor am I proposing a new unproven idea as fact. That`s what creationists are doing they are not experts in biology yet they continue to say that what is written in Genesis is fact.
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Female 1,515
Eep!
Hopefully they don`t get to university still believe this bull. I know someone who`s getting a Masters degree in genetics who doesn`t believe in evolution. It`s messed up.
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Male 246
Creationists are just what happens when no one tells the kid Santa isn`t real.
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Male 95
I don`t even know what to say. this makes me sad.
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Male 312
What the lady said around 1:30 is the reason why children are growing up ignorant. "It`s just easy to explain to your children". It`s just taking the lazy way out.
Also, song is a highly effective method of what some might call brainwashing. A lecture you can forget almost instantly, a song will linger in your brain for week, months and ever years.
The image at 3:48 clearly states why the human race will end.
One of the children at the end of the video will become the POTUS in fifty years.

I made these comments while watching the video and yes, I did watch the whole video (though it pains me to do so).
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Male 12,365
[quote]Microevolution exists, yes. However macroevolution?[/quote]

A distinction made up by creationists.

To put it crudely, many micros make a macro.
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Male 610
oh geezums.... that guy just said "hows come we can`t find the word dinosaur in the bible?"

HOWS COME WE CAN`T?

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Male 12,365
[quote]I still don`t understand relativity.[/quote]

I suggest "Why Does E=mc^2 (and why should be care?)" by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw. It`s a good attempt to explain relativity to people who aren`t physicists. It`s still very weird and hard to grasp, but they explain it well. There`s not much maths and none of it is really advanced - it`s mainly about the concepts. Concepts that are seriously weird. I`ve read it and I can understand that it makes sense, but it`s too strange. For example, if I throw a ball, I know that the ball is moving relative to me. What I don`t *really* understand is that I am moving relative to the ball and either perspective is equally valid. I can see the ball moving.
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Male 15,832
I have no problem with these people teaching Biblical creationism to their kids. Hey, SOMEBODY`S going to have to clean the toilets and empty the bedpans for the next generation.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion: Since you didn`t like my first link, Here is one that maybe you will Read[/quote]

I read it before, because I like to try to check back to as close to an original source as possible.

Check this out:

[quote]"A velociraptor did not just sprout feathers at some point and fly off into the sunset," Ruben said.[/quote]

Of course, that`s exactly what scientists claim happened by evolution. Oh yes, indeed. Happens all the time.

Does anyone who opposes evolution have any idea what it is?

Here`s an important point. It`s been made before. Perhaps you`ll read it this time, though I doubt that.

The only scientist referred to as being involved in the study DOES NOT SAY IT IS EVIDENCE AGAINST EVOLUTION.

Is it easier for you to read in caps? I could make it coloured in a larger font if it would help.

They don`t even say it disproves a link from dinos to birds, only that they think it makes
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Male 313
Oh the irony.... is that we think they are the ones that have been brainwashed! Couldn`t be that we were too. No way!
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Female 864
I can`t remember because I haven`t seen it for awhile but is this clip from the scariest movie ever ,Jesus Camp?
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Female 803
This just hurts to watch. I`ve seen people ask "how did the fish survive the flood if they`re mixing freshwater and saltwater?"

My favorite answer is "God teleported them" and seeing some people think that answer was supposed to be serious.

On another note, creepy old men brainwashing young kids. Like we need any more of those.
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Female 1,682
Meh. All these kids will get older and realize they are being brain washed and probably rebel anyways. Its not really even those adults faults though that they are like that. I am sure generations before them these things were going on. If something is hammered into your brain constantly for years and years, sometimes it hard to stray from that. So you can`t exactly blame them completely. Brainwashing ftl.
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Female 4,447
He sounds just like Rhys Darby! Also, BOOOOOOOOORING.
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Male 10,855
Like one man said:
You are entitled to your beliefs but you are not entitled to your facts. This is true for scientists who have their facts examined by other scientists.
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Male 65
You can`t argue against facts so you can`t simply believe in something (like these kids are doing) and say that the other is wrong just because you don`t "believe" its right.
Its just pure ignorance.
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Female 385
[quote]Lastly, the bible as a history book has been proven accurate. If it can be shown to be accurate in historical things then why should i not believe it when it speaks of spiritual things?[/quote]
The same reason that 1000 years from now you shouldn`t believe Harry Potter to be true despite the fact it references things that exist in the real world. Just because the book references King`s Cross Station, and King`s Cross Station actually exists, does not mean the entire book is truth.

Besides, the Bible is quite demonstrably wrong in much of the history it contains, as well as much of the science. There`s nothing outside of the Bible to suggest that Moses existed, or that the Hebrew people were enslaved in Egypt. Bats are not birds. Animals shown certain patterns during pregnancy do not give birth to babies with that pattern on their fur. Rabbits don`t chew cud.

The Bible can`t get even basic stuff right. Why should I trust it with the more difficult?
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Male 10,855
It`s almost midnight here xtreme and I just got done with one. No thanks.
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Male 147
Hey guys, going to bible school makes you an expert in science!
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Male 1,371
Flame wars anybody?
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Male 9,305
"I believe what the bible says is true."

That`s nice, let the kids decide for themselves what to believe, don`t show it to them so early. Religion is for adults, not children.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Second, there is no proof that dinosaurs or anything existed millions of years ago. All the tests they do for age are based on radio carbon dating which has never been proven to be reliable.[/quote]
No scientist has ever used radiocarbon dating to date dinosaur fossils. Your lack of understanding of the science you`re so quick to debunk (fairly typical for young-earth creationists) removes any credibility you might have had in this debate.

[quote]After bombarding fruit flies in the lab with radiation for years, no new structures or new genetic material has ever been introduced[/quote]
Same comment goes to you ZNaught, if that`s your understanding of how evolution works. Soz.
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Male 28
help us all
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Male 276
what if god is real and those 6 days was just a reference of time instead of an exact time reference. so what if the 6 days was 6 millions years
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Male 10,855
My recommendation for BigDaddyJeff.
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Female 1,963
BigDaddyJeff, huh? When exactly has the bible been proven to be historically accurate? Certainly there are some things reported in the bible which did indeed happen, but the vast majority has not and cannot be proven in any way.

Again, I admit that some methods for verifying the age of things are unreliable to some extent. However, these methods still give a much more accurate estimate than the bible could.
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Male 55
haha, I like how he said, "i dont believe the earth was created millions of years ago, i believe it was created a few thousand years ago." dratin TOOL
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Male 40,300
[quote]Job probably never existed in the first place... - Harleg[/quote]
GASP! Are you suggesting that the Bible is filled with ALLEGORY and shouldn`t be taken literally??? :-O
Oh, wait, that`s what I think too! lolz!
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Male 1,793
Religion is silly...
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Male 368
First the guy never said the bible did not mention dinosaurs. He said the word `dinosaur` was not in the bible because dinosaur is a new word. The bible called them behemoths.
Second, there is no proof that dinosaurs or anything existed millions of years ago. All the tests they do for age are based on radio carbon dating which has never been proven to be reliable. Tests on the same sample done by different labs come up with vastly different ages.
Lastly, the bible as a history book has been proven accurate. If it can be shown to be accurate in historical things then why should i not believe it when it speaks of spiritual things?
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Female 474
this is really sad, they`re crippling these kids for the future. i wish these adults could realize how stupid and ignorant they sound
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Male 1,557
They`d never teach this junk in the UK. The parents and teachers would laugh at it!
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Male 40,300
[quote">DiegoDeFuego - I want someone to give me a good explanation as to how the first sexual reproduction evolved? [/quote">
Well, THAT is a loooong story! Lolz! Basically: some bacteria `shared` DNA and they did better (evolved!) than those that didn`t.
@ZNaught: macroevolution takes thousands or MILLIONS of generations, not just a few hundred. And it`s driven by environment, not random mutation (such as would be caused by intense radiation) eh?
This thread is de-evolving into Enrtopy, man!
(hey, I love that skit! The pictures have nothing to do with it really)
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Male 214
i know i am not the best looking person out there, but some of those are pretty dam fugly. i kinda see a resemblance between the first speaker (Ken Ham`s face and Abe Lincoln did/how how he is portrayed now. it could just be the beard though.
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Female 838
*shakes head* nope still there... errrr frig me this crap is frustrating
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Male 185
Because targeting large kids is too expensive.
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Male 108
I`m just gonna go ahead and put this out there, Job probably never existed in the first place...
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Male 1,312
Ugh, everyone has a right to their opinion but I can`t stand this kind of stuff
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Female 1,963
Wake n bake, I think someone is confusing evolution with mutation.
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Male 663
@catbarf: Microevolution exists, yes. However macroevolution? There is no proof. After bombarding fruit flies in the lab with radiation for years, no new structures or new genetic material has ever been introduced, only moved around or altered.


what the drat? radiation does not cause evolution, evolution is genetic changes that help an organism thrive in a changing environment
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Male 4,807
HaHa that last kid was hilarious.
He summed it all up perfectly.
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Male 12
Yabba-Dabba Doo!
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Male 10,855
Well I guess if you`re leaving we don`t need to waste anymore time.
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Male 10,855
Here we go again. That one little experiment did not disprove anything ZNaught. What it would have proved is if fruit flies can survive radiation (what kind?).
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Male 351
singing out for tonight. No time to read it Cajun247.
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Male 351
@catbarf: Microevolution exists, yes. However macroevolution? There is no proof. After bombarding fruit flies in the lab with radiation for years, no new structures or new genetic material has ever been introduced, only moved around or altered.
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Male 10,855
We just got done proving to three people (I think) how this is propaganda and to one how creationism is junk science and evolution is observable and testable.
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Male 34
I really want to hit those people...

Ok... first off... yes, The Bible is a book with historical context, but that doesn`t mean you should take it word for word.

Second, Just because it makes `more sense` to you doesn`t mean it`s right.

Third, Evolution happens THOUSANDS of years... not 2 or 3 generations...

Men did not live with dinosaurs, thats just retarded... Dinosaurs came long before men did. Dinosaur is a VERY broad term, generally describing the lizard-like creatures that existed hundreds of millions of years ago. Just because Job may have known a giant creature doesn`t mean it was a freaking dinosaur...

I`m done watching this... I`ve had enough.

These people have the right to believe whatever the hell they want... but they shouldn`t have the right to force it on their children... a***oles..
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Male 10,855
You should try reading the entire debate we JUST had ZNaught.
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Male 1,455
"However fact of the matter is, there is no proof of evolution."

Except the fossil record, and atavisms, and heredity, and... oh, yeah, the fact that vaccines work, seeing as they are 100% based on predictions made by evolution.

Would you listen to a scientist dictate theology? No? Then why trust the science of a preacher?
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Female 169
Primetimekin, you can`t even compare the two... That`s a church gathering thing, not at school. And those kids` teachers had them sing, not President Obama. Jesus.
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Male 383
Is it just me or does the first dude sound like the guy from Flight of the Concords? And also, I don`t get why so many people believe the bible, I could write a book and say "This is how the earth was made"... That doesn`t mean it`s true.
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Male 55
Look, they`re BRAINWASHING the kids to be future TEABAGGERS...too bad they`ll be TEABAGGED instead!
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Male 7,933
Creationist at school= propaganda.
Obama Childrens Choir= wholesome fun?
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Male 351
It really bothers me that people seem to think that creationists believe this. (Or all of them). However fact of the matter is, there is no proof of evolution. (inb4rage)
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Male 3,482
[quote]Yes, These creatures did face the same pressures, Even more so. Their food has changed, Their environment has changed, They`ve even survived extinction events that killed off far hardier species. Yet they are far from being perfect, They have disadvantages that other species do not.[/quote]
Their mutations were well suited to multiple environments. Simple as that. Same as how humans can live in environments from the deserts of the Sahara to tropical islands, all the way to Iceland, without major genetic differences.

Besides, name one MAJOR disadvantage that would be a hindrance. You could probably name a few, but for every one you name, there`s at least one reason why it`s irrelevant, sometimes two or more.

[quote]All I hear are excuses, lame rationalizations, and weak guesses. [/quote]
Is it just me, or is this the argument of ANYONE who hears evidence they don`t like but have no valid argument against?
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Female 179
I go to a catholic school and we`re taught evolution, it confuses me how these people think
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Male 239
@cajun

well what ninjabob said implies that the bible says the earth is the center of the universe (please leat me know if i`m misunderstanding him, or if he is speaking another language only looks like english), and i just wanted to point out to odc that there is mentioned in the bible something that could be a dinosaur.
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Male 12,138
Ken Ham. He makes me angry.
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Male 10,855
You just don`t respond to sarcasm unless you`re propagating more sarcasm. If you do it suggests that you`re taking it seriously.
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Male 10,855
Diego
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Male 10,855
I`ll be blunt.
You should delete those posts.
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Female 10
Ugh, what a moron "I don`t believe that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago"? What kind of an idiot is this guy? There are literally thousands of dinosaur skeletons and fossils that stand as proof of their existence. Not to mention the fact that dinosaurs ARE MENTIONED in the BIBLE in the book of Job. Gosh, if this guy`s gonna try to argue against evolution then he should at least get to know the source material he`s trying to push.
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Female 467
f`uckin freaks them jesus freaks are. they are called ``the believers`` they are disgusting. they drum bullpoo into kids heads. behind the scenes the adults are ass dratin each other and smackin their coks against the bible for pleasure. mean persons.
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Male 239
... yeah cajun... i`m aware. what about it?
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Male 799
This disgusts me.
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Male 86
Sometimes it feels like Christians are on the defensive? That` only sometimes! Evolution is the only shell of hope atheists have! Trust me, I live in PA. I can barely get home without being bricked for being an atheist. And possibly because I have a computer...
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Male 10,855
They were being sarcastic DiegoDeFuego.
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Female 1,190
omg if i was in that room when i was young, i would have been crushed

dinosaurs were (still are lol) my fave things back then and i even wanted to be an archaeologist :D
so yeah, i would have to say he would be wrong about dinos :)
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Male 239
@ninjabob

the bible never said we were the center of the universe
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Male 239
@odc

well it does talk about that has dinosaur like qualities. the behemoth. look it up.

but i honestly don`t know what its talking about, but it is in the oldest book of the bible.
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Male 10,855
Welcome to the 21st century NinjaB0b.
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Male 173
so the bible is perfect in every way... yeah that`s right sun, drat you, were the center of the universe!

this video has created one incredible flame war. welcome to the internet
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Female 318
How come you can`t find dinosaurs in the Bible? Because the devil put the bones in the ground so that I would no longer believe.
lol, talk about completely ignoring scientific evidence.
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Female 231
Moefreak: It is very amusing, I do agree with that. But it is also very sad that some one like him cannot have an open mind to accept every possibility and treat it all with the same respect.
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Male 10,855
I`m also skeptical (and confused) about string theory. I still don`t understand relativity.
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, science isn`t perfect. Science isn`t some abstract omnipotent and omniscient being. Science is practised by fallible human beings.

The point is that we accept that. We`re willing to learn. Just today I learned something new about evolution.

If you choose to believe what you want to believe, without any evidence of any kind, that`s your choice. But you will always be more likely to be wrong.
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Male 239
I don`t think we should teach creationism in schools. that`s a completely religious thing. However we should at least teach the shortcomings of evolution, and what it doesn`t explain, instead of calling it a fact and labeling non believers ignorant morons.
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Male 17,512
moefreak: Do some more reading, You`ll find that `science` has rejected all sorts of evidence that didn`t fit into their `accepted` theories.

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Male 10,855
I`ve heard all the evidence. I`ve heard it all now and most of it before this post. It is not convincing. The people in this video were not convincing. Doubting? Well I`m skeptical by nature. I didn`t believe in evolution when I first heard about it (for once I actually did believe in creationism). Then I went through school where I learned elementary physics, geology, biology. During that time I`ve been on vacations, and have seen rocks, caves, mountains, oceans. I realized evidence of evolution is all around us. For evolution there are questions that must be answered. But I now know of the origins of creationism: oral tradition. As for the skeptical part, I`m not sure how I`m going to be able to use the methods I have learned in college.
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Female 1,963
Yeah, and then the same scientist said this "But now there are more asterisks all the time. That`s part of the process of science."
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Female 1,963
I know, lamiacraor. But it`s fascinating to watch someone provide evidence against their own points.
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Male 17,512
[quote]"Frankly, there`s a lot of museum politics involved in this, a lot of careers committed to a particular point of view even if new scientific evidence raises questions," Ruben said. In some museum displays, he said, the birds-descended-from-dinosaurs evolutionary theory has been portrayed as a largely accepted fact..[/quote]

That`s what evolution boils down to `Politics`, At least this scientist was honest enough to say it.
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Female 231
Moefreak: It, honestly, has nothing to do with disproving evolution. Crakrjak is just reaching now because his argument has gone pathetically stale.
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Female 1,963
"It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later"

So which part of this article is disproving evolution?
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Female 1,963
This is what the first study says: "birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs" link
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Male 17,512
moefreak: Read the link below.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: Since you didn`t like my first link, Here is one that maybe you will Read

I doubt it though, The conclusion of the study is "The implication, the researchers said, is that birds almost certainly did not descend from theropod dinosaurs...."
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Male 12,365
[quote]I want someone to give me a good explanation as to how the first sexual reproduction evolved?[/quote]

That`s a question only you can answer. No-one else can say whether or not you want to know that.
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Female 1,963
"you`re convinced you`re right and will not listen to any evidence to contrary."

What evidence? Evidence of creationism? All you`ve done is given a link to an article written by a very unreliable source. The source linked to some (very interesting) articles, which were not at all saying the same thing that your source was saying. They were, in fact, arguing for evolution.

And the thing is, I am not arguing that birds evolved from dinosaurs. At all. These studies give evidence that they may not, and I accept that. But that does not in any way disprove evolution itself.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Keep in mind this isn`t just one culture, this is everything from Ancient chinese to the Anasazi Indians in American.[/quote]
Keep in mind that many of these cultures described them as fire-breathing monstrosities, well-dwellers, flying snakes that controlled the weather and had lion`s heads, etc. They`re called dragons, and are MYTHS for a reason.

Besides, if man has ALWAYS been perfect, and as he is now, than explain why the cave drawings aren`t Michaelangelo-worthy masterpieces of art.

[quote]Gotta love how evolutionists are so "open minded" and "fair," but won`t teach both sides.[/quote]
THAT can be explained simply. Science (aka EVOLUTION) should be taught in schools, where SCIENCE is the focus.

Creation should be taught in RELIGIOUS PLACES, where people have a choice of what version of creation they get to listen to, since there`s, you know, hundreds of thousands out there.
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[quote]Not hardly. All I hear are excuses, lame rationalizations, and weak guesses. [/quote]

Of course that`s what you hear. That`s what you are utterly determined to hear.

You don`t know the first thing about evolution, or science in general.

The reason for both is the same - your own determination to remain ignorant because your faith requires it.

I could show you evolution happening and you wouldn`t see it.
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Male 239
I want someone to give me a good explanation as to how the first sexual reproduction evolved? It`s baffling me. Wouldn`t two different organisms have to evolve at the exact same time, near eachother, with two seperate jobs, and both knowing how to do it?

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Female 231
CrakrJak: "Not hardly. All I hear are excuses, lame rationalizations, and weak guesses. You`re convinced you`re right and will not listen to any evidence to contrary. You`ve doubted sources, Gave a weak argument about water, and criticized religion for teaching creationism."
How is that any different from what you are saying? You are producing excuses without evidence even though they have given you evidence to the contrary. You have no actual argument. You, my friend, are in denial.
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, I don`t believe for a second that you have read the actual study. What you`ve read is the very, very biased article that "the institute for creation research" has written. This just goes to show how afraid you are of coming across something that might challenge your beliefs.
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Cajun247: [quote]Every point you`ve made has been debunked. Every counter-argument answered.[/quote]

Not hardly. All I hear are excuses, lame rationalizations, and weak guesses. You`re convinced you`re right and will not listen to any evidence to contrary. You`ve doubted sources, Gave a weak argument about water, and criticized religion for teaching creationism.

That`s not science, It proves nothing, and it`s just obfuscation.
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Male 527
I believe that continuing to call these equations "laws" is incorrect, for the word "law" implies that these very calculations are correct in all instances anywhere in the known universe.


Good argument. What would you suggest to replace `law` in such cases?

No clue. If I knew that, I`d have won the Nobel Prize for Physics. :)
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Female 231
Cajun and CrackrJak: I have read the bible backwards and forwards. I have read all versions of it and studied it because my Pagan mother would not let me choose ANY religion (not even Paganism) without reading about it first.
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CrakrJak: I`ve read it. I understand a bit of biology. Neither appears to be true for you.

Do you argue that theropod dinosaurs did not have lungs? Or that they didn`t use muscles?

You also make an unsubstantiated conclusion from the evidence you don`t understand, namely that it disproves the idea that birds evolved from theropods. It doesn`t. You then go ludicrously further and claim that if birds aren`t descended from theropods, evolution is completely invalid. You`re reaching so far into the void with your conclusions that it merely demonstrates how completely baseless your views are.
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Male 10,855
"...still being taught"
I guess we need to correct that then, by removing that specific statement from said books.
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Male 10,855
Niether have I, Angilion, MoeFreak, altaru, and others on the side of side of science have quoted the bible. Why? Well my reason is I`ve barely read it.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: Read it again then. Birds walk with a fixed thigh bone. What some would call their `knee` is actually their ankle. Without the `fixed thigh` they could NOT breathe like birds meaning they couldn`t fly like birds. They`d have died from collapsed lungs trying to take off from the ground or water. Birds could not have evolved from therapods and that falsehood is still being taught in schools to this day.
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Male 10,855
"...it has come up short."
Hmmm, well then. We don`t know EVERYTHING about life on Earth. We are still putting the pieces together using SCIENCE. We are not using a compilation of books that was written thousands of years ago. I do suggest you read the bible and try to interpret it literally.
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Male 363
God damnit, whether you believe in Creationism or not, you don`t preach this poo to little kids. Go convince people who are old enough to debate and refute your points instead of babbling to a bunch of little kids.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion: Let me guess, Your going to try and prove they did `evolve` right ? That their fossilized brethren are different in some way. Well so are different breeds of dogs, Yet they are all still canis familiaris the same species.[/quote]

Good grief, I think you really are that ignorant of evolution. You really don`t know why those animals havn`t continued to evolve, despite the fact that it`s been explained millions of times.

Aren`t you embarrassed to be arguing against something you are so determined to never know anything about?
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Male 7,812
i feel a whole lot dumber after watching this. what scientific evidence was that lady talking about? and the bible was written by man, so it is not the exact word of god.
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Male 12,365
[quote] I believe that continuing to call these equations "laws" is incorrect, for the word "law" implies that these very calculations are correct in all instances anywhere in the known universe.[/quote]

Good argument. What would you suggest to replace `law` in such cases?
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Male 10,855
Let me rephrase my earlier deleted post: Don`t you see how fruitless your arguments are CrakrJak? Every point you`ve made has been debunked. Every counter-argument answered. So far I`ve been here for two hours participating in this debate. So far none of the other subscribers to creationism in this forum have convinced me and Angilion and others of how creationism is not junk science. I stress TWO HOURS, a taste of how much time has been wasted by the nation in this debate.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I do agree with Angilion. How is the blind faith of a creationist better then the blind guessing of a scientist without evidence? [/quote]

The guessing of a scientist without evidence is much better, because they`ll try to make their guessing consistent with itself and with observations. In fact, there`s no such thing as a scientist guessing without evidence, because they will always have some evidence. They can`t have lived in a sealed box without any education or knowledge of the outside world.
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moefreak: Yes, These creatures did face the same pressures, Even more so. Their food has changed, Their environment has changed, They`ve even survived extinction events that killed off far hardier species. Yet they are far from being perfect, They have disadvantages that other species do not.

Note: Not once have I quoted the bible during this discussion, I`ve debated the science and it`s came up short.
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@CrakrJak
Point 1 yes, point 2 refer to Moefreak`s latest post.

You know what hasn`t changed and humans used for thousands of years? Water. When we want water and nothing else but guess what we demanded? Sure we have a diversity of means for quenching our thirst today, but that doesn`t mean our bodies at times don`t need pure water. Likewise there are many other purposes for water e.g. bathing.
Cars changed because people wanted better performance.
Likewise what Moefreak said is that animals have changed because nature influenced them to, and they didn`t nature did not.
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[quote]No, You didn`t read it very well. They couldn`t have breathed like birds at all, Because if they had they`d have died from collapsed lungs.[/quote]

I read it. You apparently didn`t. You read what you wanted to have been written.

The difference between a bird`s breathing and another animal`s breathing is not immense. It has a significant effect, but it`s not an immense difference. It`s still a matter of lungs and muscles. Very similar lungs and muscles.

They breathed slightly differently to birds.
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poor kids
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[quote]Also, If things are continuously `evolving` Then why are there animals that haven`t ? Sharks, Nautiloids, Horseshoe Crabs, Jellyfish all virtually the same as their fossils that are 100 million years older than dinosaurs. How can that be ?[/quote]
Evolution, and the effect of natural selection, comes from genetic differences that give something a trait more beneficial in their environment. It doesn`t happen `just because,` and it doesn`t always happen anyway.

Sharks are nearly perfect as is, and for that matter sharks did evolve, in that they became smaller over time to adapt the the fact that their prey was also shrinking. (see megalodon)

Same with the others. If it works, why change it?


Also, I want to PUNCH the guy who did the "Your grandfather didn`t look like this, did he?" thing. Seriously, you`re using a difference of 40-60 years to represent MILLIONS, or even BILLIONS of years?
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, the very fact that sharks are still around after millions of years is pretty decent evidence that they`re good hunters.
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Male 17,512
Cajun247: Yes, I agree your arguments are fruitless.
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Male 378
are you f-cking kidding me? christianity is mainstream, christians are just too afraid of the truth that they make the minority a majority.
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Male 17,512
Brassbull: So many other `top predators` have died because their prey died out, Shark are far from being `perfect hunters` they are slow and rely on hunting the wounded and injured or else they`d starve to death.
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, the whole point is that they DIDN`T face the same evolutionary pressures. They were already well adapted, perfectly suited for the environment in which they existed. Evolution happens when there are changes in the environment, predators or prey of the animal that require them to change in order to survive.
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Cajun247: So you`re trying to tell me the animals you listed `evolved` from something else, Then just quit `evolving` even though they faced the very same evolutionary pressures that forced other species to change or die off ? That`s nonsensical.

That`s akin to Ford still making the Model T today long after all the changes that`ve taken place in the last hundred years.
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, here`s a hint on debating. When trying to prove creationism, don`t use "The institute for creation research" as a source.

Particularly when the very study that your source inaccurately references, says “This discovery probably means that birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs, starting that process before most dinosaur species even existed.”
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Male 795
*Puts on his flame coat*
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Male 1,610
@Crakrjak

The shark is a perfect killing machine, as is the alligator. Neither have had a need to evolve. Being the top of the food chain, they have not had a problem hunting, or a substantial enough threat to favor some trait that would help them evade prey.

....why is Madest green?
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Male 122
Evolution is not a matter of a species changing consistently over time. It`s a matter of random mutations within a species that allow a certain member of that species to survive long enough to reproduce in it`s environment. If that mutation is better suited to it`s environment than it`s previous version, it will survive better. Just because there are sharks that haven`t evolved for a while, doesn`t mean evolution isn`t a real thing. These sharks are just in their latest evolved state (and have been for a while) and that`s what works for the environment they`re in.

Don`t fix what aint broke
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Angilion: Let me guess, Your going to try and prove they did `evolve` right ? That their fossilized brethren are different in some way. Well so are different breeds of dogs, Yet they are all still canis familiaris the same species.
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Male 527
Angilion,

Yes, I am well aware of the laws of motion and such. I am also aware of the shortcomings of some of these laws as the speed of light is approached (or, as in the case of gravity, as you attempt to account for more than two bodies). These laws are even derivable from the theory of relativity. There is no disrespect to Newton for his work. He was a genius. Far more so than a great multitude of us that walk this earth today. But he was constricted by the observations and math of his time. I believe that continuing to call these equations "laws" is incorrect, for the word "law" implies that these very calculations are correct in all instances anywhere in the known universe.

Not that I`m advocating relativity in its place, for it has its own shortcomings.
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Male 17,512
[quote]flying dinosaurs didn`t breathe in quite the same way as birds.[/quote]

No, You didn`t read it very well. They couldn`t have breathed like birds at all, Because if they had they`d have died from collapsed lungs.
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Male 122
No worries! Not all hope is lost. I was raised exactly as you see these kids being raised, but I`ve seen the light!
Problem is, i was as stubborn as your every day fundy up until i was 17, then I was shown the light by a theology major. Not every kid is going to get the same opportunity.
Down here in the south, people believing in creationism is just the way of life. You`re seen as bad person if you have any other view points. You`re shunned out of social circles, even in school. Sure some can say that they love you, but if you never convert, they`ll just give up and not talk to you anymore.
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Female 1,963
CrakrJak, perhaps because they are already perfectly adapted to their environment.
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Female 231
CrakrJak: Of course I do not trust Scientists, nor do I trust Psychologists because they are often guessing, until they acquire real proof. But I do read everything that I come across and decide whether or not it is true, by the evidence and my own logic.
I do agree with Angilion. How is the blind faith of a creationist better then the blind guessing of a scientist without evidence?
There are many creationists who lie about themselves and only vocalize what they think is right in the way of the bible. And then, there are people like you who are so blind that they believe anything they are told by these people without questioning. At least I question and I ask for evidence, and even then- I still have doubts.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Also, If things are continuously `evolving` Then why are there animals that haven`t ? Sharks, Nautiloids, Horseshoe Crabs, Jellyfish all virtually the same as their fossils that are 100 million years older than dinosaurs. How can that be ? [/quote]

Oh my word, are you really that ignorant about evolution? If so, why on Earth should anyone take you seriously? If not, then you`re knowingly spreading lies for the purpose of propaganda...and no-one should take you seriously.

This is one of the oldest and silliest creationist arguments against evolution and has been debunked so many times.

Does anyone here not know the answer? If so, I`ll debunk this bullpoo once again.
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Male 10,855
Or should I say the pot and/or the kettle calling the cookie sheet black?
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak
You`re accusing scientists of "knowing" what`s best for everyone? I also hear preachers "knowing" what`s best everyone as well.
You`re the pot calling the kettle black, which in this case--again--isn`t even black.
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Male 12,365
Come to think of it, it doesn`t even disprove the idea that birds descended from flying dinosaurs.

Flying dinosaurs (flew, had bones like modern birds)...millions of years of evolution tending towards better flight, including increased oxygenation to increase flying ability...birds.
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Male 17,512
Also, If things are continuously `evolving` Then why are there animals that haven`t ? Sharks, Nautiloids, Horseshoe Crabs, Jellyfish all virtually the same as their fossils that are 100 million years older than dinosaurs. How can that be ?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion: I guess you believe birds came from dinosaurs right ? The problem with that evolutionary falsehood is there are 250 million year old `true birds` older than the theropod dinosaurs the supposedly came from. Whoops, Did I just let a cat out of the bag ?[/quote]

In a sense, you did.

You linked to a page in which a creationist falsely implied they had scientific credentials. Writing for a creationist group and pretending to be a scientist does not qualify someone as a master of science.

Thank you for demonstrating once again the dishonesty inherent in creationist parasites feeding of science. Or perhaps viruses, infecting science and using the debased results against it.

It may be true that flying dinosaurs didn`t breathe in quite the same way as birds. It would take more than one study to establish that. It`s hardly the utter disproving of evolution that you claim it is, even if it is true.
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Male 10,855
They`ve only disproved that birds evolved from theropods. But this does not disprove that they were extinct LONG before humans came on the scene. I also notice the writers agree with him throughout the first half of the article. The scientist then mentions that they evolved from something else other than theropods, at which the writers then start criticizing him using scripture.
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Female 164
Wow-e, those kids were acting like zombies. Was that Becky Fischer interviewing them?
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Male 17,512
Lamiacraor: Dinos to Birds is taught is virtually every high-school biology textbook in the world, and yet it`s thoroughly wrong. Never mind that though, Just take the scientists word for it they know what`s best for all of us. <sarcasm>
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Female 231
Crakrjak: What? Are you actually serious? Of course no one believes that birds came strait from Dinosaurs as a whole. There are specific species that they evolved from. Even I know that and I am not an authority on Dinosaurs, I learned it from reading everything that I came across that seemed interesting.

I am sorry for butting in on the conversation you were having. But, honestly, this type of ignorance has to stop.
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Male 40,300
[quote]MADEST you are not qualified to TROLL HERE. Nice try though.[/quote]
fify!
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Male 17,512
madest: You`re not qualified to judge a ass kissing contest, Let alone anything else.
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Male 40,300
This is REALLY FUNNY
And related to this conversation, lolz!
[quote">I ask you, sir, where energy originated.[/quote">
I`m in agreement here, where DOES that old Big Bang come from? FAITH! lolz!
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Male 12,365
[quote]Gravity is also a theory (the word "law" is actually a misnomer)[/quote]

There is a law of gravity as well as a theory of gravity.

A law is a simple statement of what will happen under known circumstances, usually expressed as an equation.

A theory is a falsifiable, testable explanation for a far more wide-ranging set of things.

I`ll use a simpler law as an example, one of Newton`s laws of dynamics:

F=ma

It describes the relationship between force, mass and acceleration. It enables accurate predictions. It works every time(*) It explains nothing. It is a law, not a theory.


* Actually, it`s an approximation. But it works very well for anything travelling at less than millions of miles per hour and well enough up to about 100,000,000 mph.
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Male 7,378
CrakrJak, You are not qualified to discredit science. Nice try though.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: I guess you believe birds came from dinosaurs right ? The problem with that evolutionary falsehood is there are 250 million year old `true birds` older than the theropod dinosaurs the supposedly came from. Whoops, Did I just let a cat out of the bag ? Link

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Male 976
"Hell, it`s not even that. A scientific hypothesis must be testable, falsifiable, and naturalistic. Creationism can`t be tested."

I totally agree with you, it`s just I was trying to give CrakrJak just a little leeway in his argument. Honestly though, creationism is more like a shot in the dark than a hypothesis.
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Female 231
Temp4comment: How like you to assume the worst just because of my beliefs. My children will have the same chance I had to decide which religion they will join. They will be able to read about all types of belief structures and decide what is best for them, without my influence. And I will encourage what ever they wish to believe.
YOUR children, on the other hand, will never get the chance to choose for themselves and find their own individuality. Because you are so afraid of it that you would rather brainwash them early and take away any chances for a normal, healthy, and hate free existence.
YOU are the disease of the world, not me.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Is it true or not that the Laws of Thermodynamics (oooh look at this, using science to debate. I thought we just say "THE BIBLE SAYS ITS TRUE SO IT [email protected]@@") say that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I ask you, sir, where energy originated.[/quote]

Simple answer - I don`t know. The difference is that I am able to admit when I don`t know. I don`t need to bundle my ignorance up and call it god.

[quote]Also, Evolution cannot be proven by science just as Creationism cannot be proven. The best we can do is try to disprove them, and so far Evolution is losing that battle, even when using the science you hold so dear.[/quote]

Are you delusional enough to actually believe that?

Evolution can be *watched*. For you to claim that (i) creationism is a theory and (ii) that it`s beating evolution in science is beyond ridiculous.
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Male 976
"Gotta love how evolutionists are so "open minded" and "fair," but won`t teach both sides."

There`s a place for science and there`s a place for religion. I would gladly let creationism be taught fairly in schools` science classes as soon as non-religion is taught fairly in churches. Hence, it will never happen.
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Male 153
This whole video makes me sick in so many ways.
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Male 12,365
[quote]That`s because scientists love to redefine words for us. So `theory` doesn`t mean what `theory` meant 50 years ago. Now theory = fact, No matter how insane it is.[/quote]

You`re blaming scientists for your own ignorance of science and for the general ignorance of science in society.

But, on the whole, if a falsifiable explanation has been tested many thousands of times by many thousands of people in many different ways, all trying to prove it wrong and all failing to do so, it`s way past what most people would consider sufficient evidence to call it fact. Except for scientists, who have a much higher standard for truth. Unlike creationists.