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189 Responses to Cow Farming: The Story Of Your Enslavement

  1. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 13, 2010 at 1:12 am
    Link: Cow Farming: The Story Of Your Enslavement - Can you see the farm now?
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    May 13, 2010 at 7:50 am
    Am I the only one expecting the guy to yell: "ILLUMINATI ILLUMINATI!!!"?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    May 13, 2010 at 7:57 am
    well, we will just have to get on a starship and go to some planet where they don`t do this.

    what`s the point of this?
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:00 am
    ......
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    odc Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:03 am
    Thank you for posting this. It is indeed thought provoking.
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    hairyshyt Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:10 am
    Excellent vid
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    Jilana Female 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:13 am
    I`m very glad this got posted here.
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:13 am
    Boring.
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    TxTnViolence Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Infowars is a fraking joke
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    MP3Daddy Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:16 am
    Wow that had some really good points. A little dark and negative but some really good points nontheless.

    I would ask this...

    If there were no governing entities, therefore "true" freedom, I think that society would degenerate into anarchy. There would be people stealing from those weaker than them. People would kill over trivial matters since there would be no repercussions.

    Would that really be better?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:22 am
    "Am I the only one expecting the guy to yell: "ILLUMINATI ILLUMINATI!!!"? "

    Its the New World Order
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:23 am
    Nice metaphor for society.

    I like my perception of humans and society.

    6 Billion of us, and we`re all afraid of what we think of each other. I think most humans are complete idiots who can barely get dressed in the morning, therefore, screw them and what they think of me. So I do what I want, wherever I am, as long as it`s not too indecent, completely unafraid of what "that" person thinks.

    It`s a bad thing to assume everyone sucks. But sadly, in most cases, it`s true.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:23 am
    Its a good video that shows many truths and is good to show this to Americans, a society that is raising their daughters with role models such a Miley Cyrus...
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:26 am
    seriously, youre all believing this crap. bet you believe in that zeitgeist poo too
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    Lolboy Male 70 & Over
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:28 am
    tl;dw
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:29 am
    tin foil hats on people!

    your life is what you make it, plain and simple. you don`t want to be part of the system, live off the grid, away from others and no one will bother you with their "farm".
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:40 am
    And we`re all ruled by a secret society of Nazi vampires.

    Nutjob.
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    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:41 am
    That had some good points but the overarching ideology that the government is purposefully trying to screw everybody over was a little bit drating stupid.
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    KekS Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:45 am
    They lost me right after Monty Python scene and some military parade that begged for Yakety Sax theme.
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    Delta2Alpha Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:45 am
    Its some thing that has crossed my mind more the few times. The unfortunate thing is the primal instinct still left in us. We can never co-exist without laws, and we need a system to govern the laws... you can see where Im going with this right? If we could all just get along there wouldnt be a problem. But I dont see that happening any time soon.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:47 am
    Ugh, paranoid anti-government rot AGAIN.

    I made it to 3:40 before the total lack of information and the complete reliance on unsupported rhetoric made me just want to give up on so-called "free thinkers".
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:48 am
    "Its a good video that shows many truths and is good to show this to Americans, a society that is raising their daughters with role models such a Miley Cyrus..."

    It`s a video depicting a metaphor, not truths.

    This video leads to believe that without "farmers" we would be running free of political oppression. The truth is, without a government, anarchy would ensue. Think about it, salaries would get reduced. No military, only militia. No body of law enforcement to control the population from destroying everything and each other. Because there`s no money to be made from making roads, nobody would do it voluntarily.

    Fact is, we need "farmers" to put in place a system to protect us from each other, and to have give us above average living conditions. The "farmer" himself is benefiting from these "policies" and "polices".
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:56 am
    If you choose to believe that the government is controlling you, think of this:

    Governments have systems in place to promote breeding of the cattle. You benefit much more from being married than common-law with your significant other, especially once death rolls around. The system is done in a way that if you don`t get married, you don`t get the same benefits as a married couple. Once married, it is much more likely you and your spouse will start having children, as marriage and baby-making to hand-in-hand. To promote this, the government is willing to give out baby-bonuses and tax deductions for the children you have. Those children, will cost the government those benefits for 18 years, until the child can finally pay his dues to his government.

    The government is controlling population growth in order to make more money! OMFG WTF?!?!?!

    I don`t believe it. I just think it`s a by-product of a system that gives us so much freedom.
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:00 am
    @ MP3Daddy: I take your point one step further; this is the flaw I see in pure libertarianism, which this video advocates.

    If there were such anarchy, then people would band together into groups to protect their physical safety and property. By necessity, groups would have to have leadership capable of organizing the rest of the group into something that can coherently defend itself (or else that group will fail and/or be absorbed by another group that can provide protection). Once you start forming groups, the leaders of the groups will need resources to defend the group, which will derive from taking resources from the people in the group that create the resources or taking resources from other groups by force. Now all of a sudden, your "freedom" has devolved from freedom to anarchy to feudal dictatorship.

    Sounds like a step backwards to me...
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:05 am
    Although it may seem like I am one of these brainwashed sheep, I tend to question everything, such as why do we need mandated car insurance? Why does the government need so much taxes from me? Why the hell should I pay this speeding ticket?

    The system is not perfect. Consider the options of living under a different governmental body before bitching about your own.

    USA has the possibility to make so much good, yet they have millions of retarded morons who want a government with a secret agenda to make money. Obama is actually looking out for public well-being and yet accuse him of having a secret agenda.

    Canada is doing well, with the government keeping pretty low-key in comparison to the USA. Of course we always have a lame scandal. Current one, some MP (Member of Parliament) used tax dollar to pay for her husband`s business expenses and booked him flights courtesy of me. So she got in poo-poo.

    Canada is so lame haha.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Anarchy is impossible.

    People are greedy. In an anarchy situation, people`s greed will erupt into chaos.

    A leader of some kind (Dictator, Army, Law, etc.) will have to rise to stop the chaos, and at that point, Anarchy dies.

    A republic with the rule of law (which is what America is at it`s heart, before FDR drated it up) is as close as one can get to true liberty and independence without falling into chaos.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:40 am
    Ok, most points the video made were true;
    but the ridiculous metaphor it was trying to show is one of the most pathetic things i`ve seen/heard in a long time.
    Anyone who saw this and believed any of the complete and utter shiit it was spouting should do all of humanity a favour and find the nearest bridge to jump off of.

    then again i could just be brainwashed by our powerful farmer overlords...
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Some of his points seem valid. But what alternative is there? I like my internet and my car. without the farm, how could we enjoy these luxuries? you want to return to a hunter gatherer society? no thanks.

    Its easy to critique a system without offering an alternative.

    also, TLDNR to all of the posts below me. I just sat through a 13 minute video, I`m not reading a bunch essays now. On to the Next Post!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:44 am
    Ya know, I can appreciate news being on IAB, or funny political satire.

    What I am trying to figure out, is when IAB became a political propaganda platform for everything other than true American government.

    Or civilized government for that matter.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Aaaaand, where is the divide between the people who are the evil farmer overlords in their combine harvesters from hell and the `cattle`. "The Government" is all fine and dandy, but where do you draw the line on who is part of the government and who is not? The state leader (president/primeminister/monarch)?, the senior officials (Congress, Cabinet etc.)?, all politicians? In any case there are a lot of people who are `in on` the great secret behind the true cruel intentions of THE GOVERNMENT, i`m and i`m pretty sure all the people involved in this evil masterplane were once `blind to see the truth of their enslavery` at one point, what made them able to see the farm and become part of Dr Evil`s secret society.... like i already said. this is complete, unadulterated BULLSHIIT

    Also, any video that uses Monty Python, Medieval Total War 2 and Mafia 2 clips. Along with showing Tony Blair and Boris Johnson loses credibility :P
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:52 am
    LOL.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:55 am
    this type of idealistic thinking proves the statement: "Communism is a great idea....in theory" humans are too much of a bunch of self-obsessed douchebags for any of this sharing is caring, no government, free love, equality for all crap. Sorry guys D:
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:56 am
    @dom:

    I know right?

    At what point in the political process, do the leaders of the government take a new politician aside and tell him that government is really a tool to drat up the world, and for him to never ever tell anyone!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:57 am
    (From an earlier post. It fits.)

    Because man is too greedy by nature.

    Communism can only work in a Utopian society. Sadly that is not possible in our current age.

    There will always be the need to strive for more. Men are not simply sheep to follow the rest of the herd. There will always be a Shepard.

    True communism is peaceful anarchy. There cannot be a leader in communism, because then it is not true communism. Then it is Dictatorship, or Oligarchy.

    There must always be some form of leadership, always. Be it a man, or a group, or a law. Without this, chaos will result, and another form of leadership will rise to keep the peace, and Utopian communism is lost.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:06 am
    Interesting. Never thought about it like that before.

    I don`t really see a viable alternative.

    Also, idk, I`m pretty happy the way I am. I have a job I love, my boyfriend owns his own business, we both make good money and live nice lives, and there is still plenty of room to grow. *shrugs*
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:08 am
    auburn is right. `True Communism` is about as possible and plausible as me scoring the game winning points in the NBA finals with a dunk over Yao Ming (aint gonna happen). Then you start questioning is there such a thing as `True Democracy` and the answer is hell no. But that doesn`t mean i should open up a tin-foil hat for everyones sake, it means the ideologies that are thought up and written down don`t work in practice, big deal.
    Humans aren`t equal, the moron that run on the Phillies outfield earlier this month isn`t comparable to some man like Albert Einstein, there will always be a man better than you, and men worse than you. Its not society - its nature.

    The fact that some guy thought he could sum up human society and existance then expose `the truth` in 13 minutes shows that the tin-foil hat store might not be such a bad idea after all...
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    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:12 am
    - There is no archaeological evidence for slavery in Egypt
    - Humans are not the only animals that fear death
    - Can a cow work it`s way up and eventually own the farm?
    - Not everyone fears death

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:15 am
    agreed ajr.

    I don`t fear death. Most who believe in God don`t.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Well that`s it! I`m going to go live in the wild and be freeee! Wait...it`s cold in the wild, and there`s not enough food to forage, and there`s no internet connection!! Freedom is Hell!
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    nickyjefferz Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:52 am
    I understand what this film is Trying to say, but in a much more philosophical way, domisgood has a good point, but it is my belief that people; you and I included, are the way that we are because of the system, that people NEED to be greedy, because of the way that the system works, and they way that we have been conditioned; people like my mother genuinely believe that the only way that you can be happy is through money and possessions, and that your JOB is the be all and end all of existence, I however do not believe that the miracle of sentience, is so that I may live and die without ever having anything of value to show for it, but my cheap house and pooty car. Every one is born knowing nothing, having no opinions and no preconceptions. Sometimes DNA determines your personality, but I don`t think it makes you naturally selfish and greedy; anything that is biological could be equally discouraged through good parenting, and strong morals.
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    mrbenn Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Democracy is absolutely the worst way to run a country, aside from all the others.

    1984 and A Clockwork Orange should be required reading for everyone, along with this: http://www.deepleafproductions.co m/wilsonlibrary/texts/raw-marquis.html
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:15 am
    "Democracy is absolutely the worst way to run a country, aside from all the others."

    Beautiful.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:16 am
    @Zero & mrbenn:

    Luckily, America is not a Democracy.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:17 am
    @auburnjunky

    So, I value your life more than you value mine? Thanks alot.
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    wko Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:20 am
    i had a feeling it was 1984, i read it but never saw it. its very interesting. i have no other comment, too buzy thinking...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Like WOW maaaannn open your eyes and live free away from the cattle in my commune deep in the woods off the grid. We can live of of sticks and leaves and live in a hut made of dirt.:-p
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:31 am
    @zero:

    I don`t know you, so yes you can say that.

    I value myself and my family. Anyone else, if it does nothing to benefit said family, can take a long walk off a short pier.
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    Oscola Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:48 am
    @ McGovern.....I keep wanting to move to a small community, like in the woods or the mountains or something. But then I remember all the f.ucking hippies I`d have to endure.
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:52 am
    This would`ve blown my mind when I was 17 and getting high all the time. I actually find it amusingly naive and oversimplistic. I really hope adults don`t believe this nonsense.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    @Oscola

    Ya the smell of B.O. patchouli oil would drive any sane person into madness within a few days.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    "I was 17 and getting high all the time."
    I resemble that statement! :L

    and if you read what i said about it, i agree with you 100% about it being crap
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    thebandit Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    protip: pausing between random words doesn`t make you sound smart; it makes you sound like you`re trying to sound smart.
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    @Domisgood...Enjoy it while you can brother. Life comes at you pretty fast. On a side note, all that bullsh*t about longterm affects are nonsense. Like, take the War in Iraq for example, wait...what were we talking about?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    wow!
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    keith2 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    Yeah? And do what, go find a deserted island somewhere? Another dipshhit whining about taxes. K lets stop paying them. Good job you get that extra money on your paycheck. Soon poo starts going bad.
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    "agreed ajr.

    I don`t fear death. Most who believe in God don`t."

    Fancy that, I don`t believe in God or any of that crap, and I still don`t fear death!!

    I mean, really, there`s nothing to fear about the concept of your body rotting in the ground.

    Now, method of death? Oh yea. I`m not too keen on the actual act of dying, as I`m not a super-masochist. XD
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    Joolin Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    There`s a lot wrong with this video, but in the interest of staying in the character limit I`ll just stick to one point for now. The idea that humans are the only species capable of comprehending the future and death is incredibly ignorant. Of course animals can`t be threatened to do things, just the same as you can`t threaten someone who doesn`t speak English in English, unless you use a human weapon, which the person only understands because of their human upbringing. If you want to threaten a gazelle, don`t show it a gun, show it a lion. The image of a lion does not inflict direct pain on the gazelle - it threatens the gazelle with the idea of future pain and death. I`m not saying that all animals have a notion of future or death, but to say that humans somehow evolved that completely independently of any other species on the planet is beyond stupid.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    i see the cage and embrace it. we as a people are not yet ready to be free. without our masters, what would we have? the answer is nothing, because without reason we would not come together to do anything productive. neither for ourselves nor society.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    May 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    The author of this just takes too many liberties with the facts of biology, and makes too many fallacious claims.

    If the author had a valid point, it is lost in the carelessness and distortion.
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    campofclay Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    Keith: "Yeah? And do what, go find a deserted island somewhere? Another dipshhit whining about taxes. K lets stop paying them. Good job you get that extra money on your paycheck. Soon poo starts going bad."

    You`re missing his point. It`s not about taxes, it`s about control. Money isn`t the resource, it`s us. One of his major points was that it`s going to poo now.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    @campofclay, All the film did was attempt to make collecting taxes sound like a human rights issue. It suggested that having a free market is just a scheme set up by the government so that they can tax us. Sounds like someone just doesn`t want to be taxed to me. Also, it`s completely silly.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    The issue I take with this video is that it characterizes the government as the owner of human capital. However the government serves its corporate masters- the true owners of "human livestock."
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    My fellow IABers,

    I have a final tomorrow. After I have completed my final and when I have time on my hands I will take a moment to respond to some of these comments.:-)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    It sounds to me like this guy is an anarchist, Society has to have some order to it or else our infrastructure would fail.

    While it is true that many people are controlled through unions and political parties, It is not `farming`.

    He also remains clueless to the fact that freedom gives people the ability to be `upwardly mobile` and become wealthy. These people even invest in other peoples ideas to become even more wealthy and in the process give them the opportunity to be wealthy as well.

    There is no one above the law in America and many politicians have felt the wrath of the populace for their abuses. I won`t deny that there is a sort of `ruling class` here, But they have to share their wealth and freedom with the rest of us.
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    gorl99 Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    I don`t like capitalism either, but i don`t think anarchy is a very good idea either.

    In terms of taxes, without taxes we would have no social services like medical, education, welfare; things that help people.

    So, yes, i like being a cog in the machine of society, thank you
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    Anubis7160 Male 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    And this is why i condone the Venus Project
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    Anubis7160 Male 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Wake up people

    We have come to a time in human history and technology where money can be no object. The old adage of "death and taxes" will have one less variable.

    Money was only created to manage scarcity, since our technology can provide an abundance for all, there is no need for money. Because there is no money, there is no need for government.

    The Venus Project . com
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    @anubis:

    Wait, What?
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    addler Male 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    I think that whoever made this video has a huge trust issue, the system in its current state depends on trust, to one degree or another. We all trust the mail to arrive on time, for products to be constructed properly etc. The "cage" is just the maker`s view that trust makes you lose any source of independence. Is the current system perfect? I accept that I don`t know, but what I do know is that I cannot come up with anything that is definitely better.
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    shinu Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    someone took 1984 a little too seriously...
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Everyone`s talking about The Venus Project so here`s a quote by Jacque Fresco himself:

    "Your whole banking system is utterly corrupt, your lending institutions have loused up the system, but theres nobody out there telling you whats wrong with it. So it looks okay to you! Im not afraid of anybody; I dont work for anyone, Im afraid to live in a society we live in today. Our society cannot be maintained by this type of in-competency. It was great the free-enterprise system, about 35 years ago, that was the last of its usefulness. We have the brains, the know how, the technology and the feasibility, to build an entirely new civilization."
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    addler Male 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    The Venus Project- Camazotz made real
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Moo
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    May 13, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Question the need for rulers? Hell, I question the need for managers. Some guy with no skill or talent gets paid more than you, tells you what to do, and all he ever did was go to "management school". A hundred years ago he would have been laughed out of the office if he applied for a job to be in charge with no skills or experience. Today it has become standard practice. DON`T WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    I don`t condone their use of Pink Floyd. The message was sketchy at best and makes a lot of assumptions. But over all, yes, we are f*cked.
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    sleepyjoey Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Good spin on promoting anarchy.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    May 13, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    I liked the Wall clips they added in lol

    addler sees the light
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    Olk Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    bullpoo argument for anarchy

    Baa sheapie Baa
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    May 13, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    anarchy is crap, look how well it`s worked in the past? Oh yeah, no one`s EVER been THAT stupid!
    Just some university students and druggies who "know it all" and want your money so they never have to get a job.
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    iplaymusic Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm
    Wouldn`t he be a human farmer by trying to make us anarchist?
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    I completely agree. I believe that anarchy could work, but we need to get over our selfish greed first. Other wise, you`ll just have people shooting other people in the face just to have their belongings.

    But, the sad truth is, we`re sheep...for 200,000 years we`ve been sheep, and for the next 200,000 years, we`ll be sheep. It`s part of our nature. Huddle together, listen to the alpha males, and keep our heads down. If someone tells us different, then we kill them.

    And those who don`t fear death...take a stroll down a dark alley in New York and tell me again that you aren`t afraid to die.
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    blipblop Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    I wonder if a lot of people are missing the point here. You can`t say its a truly free society with equality for all if one or two percent of the population holds the majority of the wealth and power. They aren`t earning that money themselves, they`re milking it out of our system. The point the video makes is valid, and so is the fact that all other empires in history fail when they get large enough. I think the real question is, is there a better system? We live long, we have fun... if society is an illusion so be it. If we didn`t like illusion, Hollywood wouldn`t exist.
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    BigMordecai Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    This is actually an old concept called the social contract. People give up freedoms for protections society does in fact provide. Such as military and public goods.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    @Samsquanch:

    There`s a difference in being afraid of death, and being afraid to die.

    I`m not afraid to die. I am afraid of death.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    They aren`t earning that money themselves, they`re milking it out of our system.
    That`s like saying my boyfriend, who has 4 employees who work for him, doesn`t earn money himself, he just sucks it out of his employees. He worked his butt off starting the business so he could be the boss, and anyone else could do the same. It`s a free market, the opportunity is there for anyone.
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    MountainBord Female 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    pink floyd-thewall
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    To add to pui`s point, the boss usually work 50 times harder than a normal employee, just in a different capacity.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    this post is based on the fallacy that you don`t get paid when you work...
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    "There is no one above the law in America." You`ve gotta be kidding me. Virtually every corporation is above the law, since they control the agencies that regulate them. If a company wants to dump poisons into a river, it can do so as long as they aren`t dumping TOO MUCH poison (and ultimately the companies doing the polluting decide how much is too much). On the other hand, if you or I dumps poisons into a stream where people are swimming, we`ll most likely be arrested as terrorists.
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    Jabbox Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    Eh, there are some valid points, some undue extrapolating of points, some misattribution of points, and some altering of terms here.
    If the system were to work like described here, with freedoms being a means for higher profits, it is not slavery, just symbiosis.
    It also works under the assumption that every person is fixed in their social class, and although they have freedoms, they ultimately end up where they began.

    I think there are some ideas that are genuinely useful, but by no means all of it. It also uses a great way to discount anybody who disagrees. just call them brainwashed and you can ignore any points they make.

    Also, true Objectivist style government is hardly a useful model for humanity. At least right now with our vestigial instincts. The industrial revolution is a great example of why too little regulation is no better than too much.
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    dooflotchie Female 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    I want my 13 minutes back. This was nothing but pro-anarchy BS patched together piecemeal with movie clips and edited to make it seem benign and palatable. The added bonus of pure Tinfoil Hat Squad ideology (Make the cows attack each other!) was a nice subtle touch too.

    Come on now. Think about this for a second. A lawless, anarchist society is *NOT* a better way to live, it`s not going to increase the happiness, freedom and general well-being of the human race as a whole.

    There`s a very good reason why there are governments, laws and people to enforce them. Anarchy means everyone and anyone can go around doing whatever they please to anyone else they choose and never be held accountable, never punished and never stopped. That`s fine if no one ever has bad intentions but we all know people do, usually before we stop counting our age in single digits.

    If you think anarchy would be so great, go live in Somalia. Don`t forget to write and tell us how much you lov
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    dooflotchie Female 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    "If you think anarchy would be so great, go live in Somalia. Don`t forget to write and tell us how much you love it!"

    Grrr...stupid post eating gremlins, I hate `em.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 13, 2010 at 11:49 pm
    I fail to even realize why they let Anarchistgod submit something anyw.....

    OIC!

    You wily IAB mods! Tryin to start a flame war!

    Good form!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 4:35 am
    So when it`s something you don`t like, such as anarchism, you say we`re just trying to start a flame war.

    But when it`s something you do like, such as Obama`s possibly dodgy SS number, you say it`s, and I quote, "pretty thought provoking".

    So why is something thought-provoking and interesting when you agree with it, but just us lowlife liberal-biased commie mods trying to start a flame war for a few extra hits when you don`t?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    May 14, 2010 at 6:29 am
    Because literally nobody agrees with this?

    I wasn`t saying it seriously bob. Geebus!
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    Sohltofangy Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    This is a silly video in my opinion. It`s far too paranoid of the government. I feel that Americans rule America and that we have the choice to be homeless tree whorshipping monkeys if we choose to be, we don`t HAVE to live in a corporate environment. But I for one choose to, after all Capitalism gives us freedom of purchase (for the most part), Free speech, freedom of travel, I mean, shoot, it`s a CHOICE.
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    derf87 Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    @Sohltofangy

    You sir have jokes. Americans ruling America? Yes in the form of our governing body being American. Going with the crowd of Capitalism is the only way to actually be able to "live" in America and have "money" to be able to "do things with." If we "choose" to be not in this crowd, we are on the streets begging to be fed. That is not much of a choice at all. This is very thought provoking and something I have come to realize in my very very short time spent in a cubicle working for peanuts. WAKE UP!
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    Anubis7160 Male 13-17
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    May 14, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    Guys, you have to remember that an anarchy-like system could work

    The only thing is, you have to get rid of money and allow free access to all goods and services to people, without trade, barter or debt.

    This is what the Venus Project proposes. Go and check them out. Believe me, you won`t regret it. They want to institute what is called "A resource based economy" instead of a money based economy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=1xWGiltxMF4

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    Anubis7160 Male 13-17
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    May 14, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    A resource based economy has no money, no debt, no armies, no police, no laws, no politicians and no forced work for need of food, housing, goods, or services.


    Its entire objective is to create maximum human happiness, while creating nothing less than peak efficiency and maximum sustainability. regardless of how much it "costs", money wise.

    Money is not what we need. Goods and services is what we need. and then the question becomes not "do we have the money" but "do we have the resources"

    and the answer is almost always yes
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    pui Female 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Going with the crowd of Capitalism is the only way to actually be able to "live" in America and have "money" to be able to "do things with." If we "choose" to be not in this crowd, we are on the streets begging to be fed. That is not much of a choice at all.
    So how would you rather it be? We all just equally share the goods regardless of how hard you work and contribute to society? Communism only works in a Utopian world and frankly, as someone who works hard (but also enjoys her job, btw), I don`t want to see people who do not work hard get the same pay I do. That makes no sense.

    You don`t have to work on office job. You could be a teacher, or an artist, or a singer. You may or may not make as much money as someone else, but if you work hard enough, you can do whatever you want and still live. However, you can`t just sit on your lazy butt and do nothing and also be rich. Sorry.
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    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    I`m hungry.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    @5Cats anarchy is crap, look how well it`s worked in the past? Oh yeah, no one`s EVER been THAT stupid!

    I bet you didnt know about anarchic iceland, ireland, old west, and pennsylvania. Ireland functioned with NO central state for around 1000 years as a society. Or the American old west(sometimes know as "wild west") functioned for around 100 years, with a LOWER crime rate then the american east. They had private law and competing forms of governance(not a state).

    i bet you didnt know that you can apriori determine that ALL states will fail, which is exactly what we see throughout history. One after another states have failed throughout history, yet you want to keep this unsustainable institution intact. THAT is whats STUPID.

    you probably have never even read the wiki page on anarchism so STFU AND GTFO!


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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    @vorpalsword this post is based on the fallacy that you don`t get paid when you work...

    The narrator was referring to how YOU are enslaved to the government and how throughout history the sole purpose of government has been to enslave and gain power over the population while enriching itself.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    @iplaymusic Wouldn`t he be a human farmer by trying to make us anarchist?

    He is trying to convince you of an idea and change your perception of what the state actually does (enslave). He wants show you how much of a leach the state is on society.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    @auburnjunky People are greedy. In an anarchy situation, people`s greed will erupt into chaos.

    im going to translate this comment: "People are greedy and corrupt therefore we need to have greedy and corrupt people in government"

    Also, America is a perfect example of how a republic FAILS. America has turned into a imperialistic police state that takes nearly half of the populations money through taxation. This is what a republic will get you, tyranny.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    @ BigMordecai This is actually an old concept called the social contract. People give up freedoms for protections society does in fact provide. Such as military and public goods.


    the social contract theory is bunk because govt will initiate force against anyone who does not wish to enter into such a contract. As a result, such an agreement is not voluntary and therefore IS NOT a legitimate contract at all. also, the social contract assumes that the govt owns the land that the people who DO NOT CONSENT live on, which defeats the whole purpose anyhow. How does the state come to own all this land, clearly not be consent... oh yea, via brain washing the masses, and force at the margins.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    @cobrakiller i see the cage and embrace it. we as a people are not yet ready to be free. without our masters, what would we have? the answer is nothing, because without reason we would not come together to do anything productive. neither for ourselves nor society.

    The "were not ready yet" argument is absurd. to demonstrate my point let me put that argument in a different context so you can see the absurdity of that line of thinking: were not ready to end racism. were not ready to end sexism. were not ready to end slavery.

    Your statement isnt really a coherent argument against freedom. It is just something that may apply JUST you, but for you to subscribe it to people in general is silly.
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    ubfwins Male 18-29
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    May 15, 2010 at 1:26 am
    I feel slipping out of the bars of oppression, burning the vines socialism, and peeing in the urinal that is our government...
    that sounded edgy and political, right?
    maybe i`ll just start a riot somehow...
  109. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:28 am
    @Gerry1of1
    “May 13, 2010 7:57:43 AM”
    what`s the point of this?
    To promote thought.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:29 am
    @MP3Daddy
    “May 13, 2010 8:16:03 AM”
    I think that society would degenerate into anarchy. There would be people stealing from those weaker than them. People would kill over trivial matters since there would be no repercussions.
    In a stateless society, people will realize that there is a demand for protection. People will start their own police agencies. Prices will be kept low because of competition and if two police agencies want to go to war then they have to fund their own way by raising their prices. This means that polices agencies that practices peaceful solution will have more money than those go constantly fight which will eventually go out of business. Problem solved.
    States on the other hand, can just tax you and can do whatever they want to the extent you don’t revolt. The Iraq war is a perfect example of this.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:31 am
    @jamie76
    “May 13, 2010 8:29:37 AM”
    your life is what you make it, plain and simple. you don`t want to be part of the system, live off the grid, away from others and no one will bother you with their "farm".
    In case you don’t already know, most the of the world’s land is occupied by some state, but it’s irrelevant. People should not be forced into buying a certain product or service. When you don’t have any incentive to look for the cheapest price, then the cost of that product or service tends to go up and the quality tends to go down.
    Schools are a good example of this. Why do you think the running cost of public schools are so high when compared to private schools?
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:32 am
    @tainteddeity
    “May 13, 2010 8:41:11 AM”
    That had some good points but the overarching ideology that the government is purposefully trying to screw everybody over was a little bit drating stupid
    I totally agree, the agents of the state (at least the ones that are not corrupt) are not purposely trying to screw us over. They do it unintentionally. However you don’t judge a program by its intentions, you judge it by its results.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:35 am
    @Delta2Alpha
    “May 13, 2010 8:45:38 AM”
    The unfortunate thing is the primal instinct still left in us. We can never co-exist without laws, and we need a system to govern the laws... you can see where Im going with this right? If we could all just get along there wouldnt be a problem. But I dont see that happening any time soon.
    We can co-exist without laws. Laws create far more problems than they solve. What society needs is protection of people’s property, which can be provided in a free market. Not to mention it will be more efficient because these agencies have to compete for your money. Unlike the state that can just tax you.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:36 am
    @Musuko42
    “May 13, 2010 8:47:25 AM”
    Ugh, paranoid anti-government rot AGAIN.

    I made it to 3:40 before the total lack of information and the complete reliance on unsupported rhetoric made me just want to give up on so-called "free thinkers".
    Very little evidence is needed. Most of the stuff that was said in the video was axiomatic. The author tried to make parallels between farming and statism.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:39 am
    @Batmanners
    “May 13, 2010 8:48:29 AM”
    This video leads to believe that without "farmers" we would be running free of political oppression. The truth is, without a government, anarchy would ensue. Think about it, salaries would get reduced. No military, only militia. No body of law enforcement to control the population from destroying everything and each other. Because there`s no money to be made from making roads, nobody would do it voluntarily.
    Salaries would get reduced, but that actually a good thing. Think about it. The lower the salary, the cheaper the product or service can be sold. This helps the poor. Competition insures that it’s profitable to undercut other businesses. Again this helps the poor. Not to mention the increases in efficient practices, this practically increases the wealth of everyone.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:42 am
    @Batmanners
    “May 13, 2010 8:48:29” AM”
    Fact is, we need "farmers" to put in place a system to protect us from each other, and to have give us above average living conditions. The "farmer" himself is benefiting from these "policies" and "polices".
    Let me see if I follow your logic. People are bad and they need “farmers” to protect us. The “farmers” are made of people too you know. So who’s going to protect the farmers from each other? Well not much really. They can just have their livestock fight for them. You get more wars that way. People in a stateless society have to fund their own war so you end up with a lot less fighting.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:44 am
    @ Batmanners
    “May 13, 2010 8:56:09 AM
    You benefit much more from being married than common-law with your significant other, especially once death rolls around. The system is done in a way that if you don`t get married, you don`t get the same benefits as a married couple.
    Let say that the state takes from you one dollar. If you’re not married you get back 25cents and if you are married than you get back 50 cents. You can see how saying that you are “benefiting” from the state is silly because it was the state that took your money in the first place. The state doesn’t have any money it has to take it from someone else.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:45 am
    @ Batmanners
    “May 13, 2010 8:56:09 AM
    Those children, will cost the government those benefits for 18 years, until the child can finally pay his dues to his government.
    Overall it’s a gain for the state. The kid will probably end up growing up to be tax payer.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:46 am
    @kilroy5555
    “May 13, 2010 9:00:52 AM”
    If there were such anarchy, then people would band together into groups to protect their physical safety and property. By necessity, groups would have to have leadership capable of organizing the rest of the group into something that can coherently defend itself (or else that group will fail and/or be absorbed by another group that can provide protection).
    Private police agencies can provide protection better than some coercive monopoly (state) because they are not as concerned about their income since they can just tax the masses and use force on the margins.
  120. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:49 am
    @kilroy5555
    “May 13, 2010 9:00:52 AM”
    Once you start forming groups, the leaders of the groups will need resources to defend the group, which will derive from taking resources from the people in the group that create the resources or taking resources from other groups by force. Now all of a sudden, your "freedom" has devolved from freedom to anarchy to feudal dictatorship.
    What dictatorship? It’s more profitable to produce your own wealth than it is to steal. If this dictator wants others to steal than that will cost him/her a lot of money because of the high hazard of being a theft. Not to mention the private police that you would have to deal with in a stateless society.
  121. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:51 am
    @ Batmanners
    “May 13, 2010 9:05:51 AM”
    The system is not perfect. Consider the options of living under a different governmental body before bitching about your own.
    I wouldn’t call it “bitching”. I just realize that what I advocate is what people would want if they knew how much more productive we would be if we adopted a free market system.

    USA has the possibility to make so much good, yet they have millions of retarded morons who want a government with a secret agenda to make money. Obama is actually looking out for public well-being and yet accuse him of having a secret agenda.
    Whether or not Obama has a secret agenda is irrelevant. Many conservatives and liberals have their hearts in the right places, but I don’t criticize them for their intentions. I criticize their results.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:54 am
    @auburnjunky
    May 13, 2010 9:36:38 AM
    [quote">Anarchy is impossible.[/quote">
    Anarchy is emergent.

    [quote">People are greedy. In an anarchy situation, people`s greed will erupt into chaos.[/quote">
    You do realize that the state is made up of people too right? If the people in the state are greedy than they are more likely to get away with just taking wealth from society because ballots are not as effective as wallets. If you are greedy in a free market and just try to get profits in the short term, then your competitors will run you out of business.
  123. Profile photo of AnarchistGod
    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:55 am
    @auburnjunky
    May 13, 2010 9:36:38 AM
    A republic with the rule of law (which is what America is at it`s heart, before FDR drated it up) is as close as one can get to true liberty and independence without falling into chaos.
    You do realize that you’re advocating socialized protection. I’m guessing you’re a conservative. Why do conservatives claim to believe in capitalism and yet advocate socialized protection?
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 4:57 am
    @hyybrucewayn
    May 13, 2010 9:43:59 AM
    But what alternative is there? I like my internet and my car. without the farm, how could we enjoy these luxuries? you want to return to a hunter gatherer society? no thanks.

    Its easy to critique a system without offering an alternative
    The alternative is the free market. People want X, then they will pay for X. X will be cheaper if there wasn’t a coercive monopoly (state) providing it. That’s the alternative.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:00 am
    @domisgood
    “2010 9:48:14 AM”
    Aaaaand, where is the divide between the people who are the evil farmer overlords in their combine harvesters from hell and the `cattle`.
    There isn’t one.

    "The Government" is all fine and dandy, but where do you draw the line on who is part of the government and who is not?
    By government, I’m assuming you mean the state and no it’s not all fine and dandy. The state forces people to buy X. Not to mention it created a debt that would not have been so high had it been in the private sector.

    The state leader (president/primeminister/monarch)?, the senior officials (Congress, Cabinet etc.)?, all politicians?
    I would argue that anyone who is hired by the state is a thief.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:02 am
    @domisgood
    “2010 9:48:14 AM”
    In any case there are a lot of people who are `in on` the great secret behind the true cruel intentions of THE GOVERNMENT, i`m and i`m pretty sure all the people involved in this evil masterplane were once `blind to see the truth of their enslavery` at one point, what made them able to see the farm and become part of Dr Evil`s secret society.... like i already said. this is complete, unadulterated BULLSHIIT
    I agree, the agents of the state are not intentionally enslaving the masses(at least not the corrupt ones), but they are doing it unintentionally.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:03 am
    @Oystah
    “May 13, 2010 9:52:43 AM”
    LOL
    I don’t know what’s so funny. I think it’s enlightening to know how the world works.

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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:05 am
    @domisgood
    “May 13, 2010 9:55:18 AM”
    this type of idealistic thinking proves the statement: "Communism is a great idea....in theory" humans are too much of a bunch of self-obsessed douchebags for any of this sharing is caring, no government, free love, equality for all crap. Sorry guys D:
    This video has nothing to do with communism. Communism is the abolishment of classes and private property. The state takes property in the form of taxation. Basely communism and anarchism are polar opposites.

    And yes, I’m well aware of the fact that Karl Marx thought that the final stages of communism would result in a stateless society, but he failed to realize that the more property society takes, the larger the “state”. Not to mention it de-incentivizes people from producing.
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    @auburnjunky
    “May 13, 2010 9:56:00 AM”

    At what point in the political process, do the leaders of the government take a new politician aside and tell him that government is really a tool to drat up the world, and for him to never ever tell anyone!
    Like I said before, the state is unintentionally screwing us over.
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    @auburnjunky
    “May 13, 2010 9:57:01 AM”
    True communism is peaceful anarchy. There cannot be a leader in communism, because then it is not true communism. Then it is Dictatorship, or Oligarchy.
    I’m not Karl Marx, so I’m not entirely sure what “true” communism is meant to be because like I said I’m not the creator of the concept, but from my understanding it would basely be a society where everyone is a ruler. Which anarchism is against. Think about it. A ruler places their authority onto others by taking private property. There’s no rulers in anarchy so there’s no one to take what’s yours. Communists don’t allow the existence of private property.
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    @auburnjunky
    “May 13, 2010 9:57:01 AM”
    There must always be some form of leadership, always. Be it a man, or a group, or a law. Without this, chaos will result, and another form of leadership will rise to keep the peace, and Utopian communism is lost.
    Who’s to say that this leadership should come from coercive monopoly (state)?
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    @pui
    “May 13, 2010 10:06:05 AM”
    I don`t really see a viable alternative.
    I’ve this before and I’ll say it again. The alternative is the free market. People want X, then they will pay for X. X will be cheaper if there wasn’t a coercive monopoly (state) providing it. That’s the alternative.
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    @ domisgood
    “May 13, 2010 10:08:35 AM”
    The fact that some guy thought he could sum up human society and existance then expose `the truth` in 13 minutes shows that the tin-foil hat store might not be such a bad idea after all...
    Sigh…once again, anarchism is NOT communism. The video was advocating that people own the fruits of their labor. How is that in any way communism?
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    ahhh o_O okay I`ll read this later lol
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    @ ajr2006
    “May 13, 2010 10:12:53 AM"
    There is no archaeological evidence for slavery in Egypt
    Many people in ancient Egypt believed that the Pharaoh channeled the will of the gods. So they worked for him. This was believed by the masses and enforced on the margins. Kind of like today.

    Humans are not the only animals that fear death
    Irrelevant, but I’m curious to know what other animal is really aware of the concept of death.

    Can a cow work it`s way up and eventually own the farm?
    No, it’s not a perfect parallel, but it doesn’t matter. You are still being ripped off by the state.

    Not everyone fears death
    A significant number of people do, so again it’s irrelevant. Besides you may not fear death, but I’m sure you wouldn’t want a loved one to die, which would just be another means of control.
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    @auburnjunky
    “May 13, 2010 10:15:11 AM”
    I don`t fear death. Most who believe in God don’t.
    If someone pointed a load gun at you, you wouldn’t be afraid? Most people would. The fact that some people don’t fear death is irrelevant. I’m guessing you have a family to take care of. Are you afraid that if you pass away your family would not be able to support themselves? If you answered yes, then you are controllable.
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:20 am
    @Geogypsy
    “May 13, 2010 10:33:30 AM”
    Well that`s it! I`m going to go live in the wild and be freeee! Wait...it`s cold in the wild, and there`s not enough food to forage, and there`s no internet connection!! Freedom is Hell!
    You want heat? Then it’s profitable to provide heat. You want food? Then it’s profitable to provide food. You want an internet connection? Then it’s profitable to provide an internet connection. They will all be cheap when there is not a coercive monopoly (state) that is not providing them. In other words, freedom is Heaven.
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    @ nickyjefferz
    “May 13, 2010 10:52:24 AM”
    it is my belief that people; you and I included, are the way that we are because of the system, that people NEED to be greedy, because of the way that the system works,
    We’re the way we are nature and not because of some system that was imposed on us.
    I don`t think it makes you naturally selfish and greedy;
    Everyone is selfish. Even Mother Teresa is selfish. People only do what they think will make themselves feel better. If you want to try and prove me wrong by smashing your hand with and hammer, then I’m just going to tell you that you wanted to smash your hand with a hammer because in your mind the pleasure you would get by thinking you have proven me wrong out weighs the pain you think you would get by smashing your hand with the hammer.
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    @ nickyjefferz
    “May 13, 2010 10:52:24 AM”
    anything that is biological could be equally discouraged through good parenting, and strong morals.
    Let me just say that morals don’t exist. They are just an attempt to give preferences superpowers.

    @mrbenn
    “May 13, 2010 10:54:53 AM
    Democracy is absolutely the worst way to run a country, aside from all the others.
    People should be free to purchase what they want and not be forced into buy something that majority thinks they should buy.
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    @McGovern1981
    “May 13, 2010 11:20:21 AM”
    Like WOW maaaannn open your eyes and live free away from the cattle in my commune deep in the woods off the grid. We can live of of sticks and leaves and live in a hut made of dirt.:-p
    That wasn’t the premise of the video. The premise of the video wasn’t about leaving and finding a place to live where there’s no state. The premise was the more freedoms you have the more productive you are.
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    @Joolin
    “May 13, 2010 12:36:13 PM”
    There`s a lot wrong with this video, but in the interest of staying in the character limit I`ll just stick to one point for now. The idea that humans are the only species capable of comprehending the future and death is incredibly ignorant.
    That’s not what the video said. The video said that animals have little sense of tomorrow and I don’t know what animal other than human that is truly able to comprehend the concept of death.

    Of course animals can`t be threatened to do things, just the same as you can`t threaten someone who doesn`t speak English in English,

    Well you could sound aggressive and that make them fear you despite the fact they don’t know what you’re saying.
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:38 am
    @Joolin
    “May 13, 2010 12:36:13 PM”
    If you want to threaten a gazelle, don`t show it a gun, show it a lion. The image of a lion does not inflict direct pain on the gazelle - it threatens the gazelle with the idea of future pain and death. I`m not saying that all animals have a notion of future or death, but to say that humans somehow evolved that completely independently of any other species on the planet is beyond stupid.

    A gazelle like any other animal has evolved to understand which animal might cause harm to it. The animal does not need to be aware of the concept of death in order to do this. Showing a lion to a gazelle makes the gazelle realize that if you don’t run you will feel pain today, not tomorrow. Animals understand the very near future, just not so much tomorrow. If they do understand time somehow, then they understand it instinctively, but not intellectually.
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:40 am
    @cobrakiller
    “May 13, 2010 12:42:54 PM”
    i see the cage and embrace it. we as a people are not yet ready to be free.
    I’m going to say what Anti-Statist said. Are we ready to end slavery? I think we are. So you can see why this is a silly thing to say.

    without our masters, what would we have? the answer is nothing, because without reason we would not come together to do anything productive. neither for ourselves nor society.
    Without masters we have freedom. We have reasons to come together and work without masters because of the profit motive.
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    @Heureux
    “May 13, 2010 12:47:02 PM”
    The author of this just takes too many liberties with the facts of biology, and makes too many fallacious claims.

    Could you be a little more specific as to what these fallacious claims are?
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:44 am
    @sbeelz
    “May 13, 2010 1:43:16 PM”
    The issue I take with this video is that it characterizes the government as the owner of human capital. However the government serves its corporate masters- the true owners of "human livestock."
    Exactly, it’s these businesses that use the state to secure barriers to entry which increases their own share of the market. This is one reason why CEOs make so much more money than the workers.
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    @CrakrJak
    “May 13, 2010 2:04:11 PM”
    Society has to have some order to it or else our infrastructure would fail.
    Anarchists are not against order.

    He also remains clueless to the fact that freedom gives people the ability to be `upwardly mobile` and become wealthy.
    What?? That’s what he was advocating the whole time! More freedoms means that there will be more wealth which is why our few freedoms are preserved.

    There is no one above the law in America and many politicians have felt the wrath of the populace for their abuses. I won`t deny that there is a sort of `ruling class` here, But they have to share their wealth and freedom with the rest of us.
    They don’t have to share their wealth because it’s not theirs in the first. You have to work if you want something. Share the wealth?? What are you? Some kind of socialist? ;)
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:49 am
    @gorl99
    “May 13, 2010 2:09:20 PM”
    I don`t like capitalism either, but i don`t think anarchy is a very good idea either.
    They’re the same thing.

    In terms of taxes, without taxes we would have no social services like medical, education, welfare; things that help people.
    Yes there would because it’s profitable to help others.
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    @Anubis7160
    “May 13, 2010 2:13:03 PM”
    We have come to a time in human history and technology where money can be no object. The old adage of "death and taxes" will have one less variable.
    You’re ignoring the variable of motivation. What motivation do people have to do something if they can’t profit from it?

    Money was only created to manage scarcity, since our technology can provide an abundance for all, there is no need for money. Because there is no money, there is no need for government.
    No, our technology is not sufficient enough to provide for all. In theory, if there was enough supply of X to around, then yeah we wouldn’t need money, which is why we don’t have to pay for the air we breathe, but that’s not the case. As of now, resources are limited so we benefit from having a currency system.
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    @AnarchistGod, I guess what I don`t understand is... how exactly this system is "better". For instance, so let`s say you hired protection to protect you, your family and your stuff. What is stopping someone with more "protection" from killing you and your family and taking all your stuff?

    Also, what if another country wanted to take us out? There wouldn`t be any organized army, because who is going to pay for it? Are we all going to chip in? Isn`t that just taxes?
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    May 15, 2010 at 5:57 am
    @addler
    “May 13, 2010 2:44:20 PM”
    I think that whoever made this video has a huge trust issue, the system in its current state depends on trust, to one degree or another.
    The video had little to nothing to do with trust.

    We all trust the mail to arrive on time, for products to be constructed properly etc.
    We expect our mail to arrive because people understand how it should function. If it didn’t we get our mail, we would revolt.

    The "cage" is just the maker`s view that trust makes you lose any source of independence.
    No, if you want to trust establishment X, then by all means, but don’t force others to “trust” establishment X.
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    @pui
    I`ll get to you, but first I want to respond to these other guys.
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    May 15, 2010 at 6:01 am
    aw but, I bet most of them are not even going to come back here lol :P
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    @addler
    “May 13, 2010 2:44:20 PM”
    Is the current system perfect? I accept that I don`t know, but what I do know is that I cannot come up with anything that is definitely better.

    I’m going to say to you what I said to hyybrucewayn and pui. The alternative is the free market. People want X, then they will pay for X. X will be cheaper if there wasn’t a coercive monopoly (state) providing it. That’s the alternative.
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    May 15, 2010 at 6:03 am
    @shinu
    “May 13, 2010 2:46:49 PM”
    someone took 1984 a little too seriously...
    In case you’re talking to me, I never watched 1984.
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    @duffytoler
    “May 13, 2010 2:59:22 PM”
    Question the need for rulers? Hell, I question the need for managers. Some guy with no skill or talent gets paid more than you, tells you what to do, and all he ever did was go to "management school". A hundred years ago he would have been laughed out of the office if he applied for a job to be in charge with no skills or experience. Today it has become standard practice. DON`T WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
    If you don’t want to work for a manager than that`s fine, that’s your preference, just don’t force it onto others. Managers do work believe it or not. They manage the means of production.
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    @ sheaton319
    “May 13, 2010 3:13:45 PM”
    The message was sketchy at best and makes a lot of assumptions.
    What assumptions?
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    @5Cats
    “May 13, 2010 4:08:10 PM”
    anarchy is crap, look how well it`s worked in the past? Oh yeah, no one`s EVER been THAT stupid!
    Just some university students and druggies who "know it all" and want your money so they never have to get a job.
    You’re confusing anarchism with communism. With communism, people just take, with anarchy you have to work.
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    @iplaymusic
    “May 13, 2010 5:32:40 PM”
    Wouldn`t he be a human farmer by trying to make us anarchist
    No because you can’t impose freedom onto someone. If you want to severe the state then I’m sure he wouldn’t try to stop you. I know I wouldn’t.
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    @Samsquanch
    “May 13, 2010 5:50:43 PM”
    I completely agree. I believe that anarchy could work, but we need to get over our selfish greed first. Other wise, you`ll just have people shooting other people in the face just to have their belongings.
    We don’t need to get over our selfish greed nor is it possible. In a stateless society, if you want something you have to work for it. So you’d be contributing to society while at the same time satisfying your greed.
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    @blipblop
    “May 13, 2010 6:03:56 PM”
    I think the real question is, is there a better system?
    Yes there is. I’m going to say to you what I said to hyybrucewayn, pui and addler. The alternative is the free market. People want X, then they will pay for X. X will be cheaper if there wasn’t a coercive monopoly (state) providing it. That’s the alternative.
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    @BigMordecai
    “May 13, 2010 6:33:19 PM”
    This is actually an old concept called the social contract. People give up freedoms for protections society does in fact provide. Such as military and public goods.
    It’s not a legitimate contract because it was forced on the margins. There’s no reason as to why a private company can’t provide protection.
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    @auburnjunky
    “May 13, 2010 6:44:38 PM”
    There`s a difference in being afraid of death, and being afraid to die.

    I`m not afraid to die. I am afraid of death.
    I’m curious to know the difference. Could you tell me it?
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    May 15, 2010 at 6:21 am
    @pui
    May 13, 2010 7:47:18 PM

    It`s a free market, the opportunity is there for anyone.
    Blipblop is right. They are milking the system and we don’t have a free market. Pui, you’re boyfriend has to pay them at least minimum wage. That’s a barrier to entry. In a stateless society he would have been able to hire people for less than that which would make it easier for your boyfriend and he would be able to sell his product or service cheaper when he doesn’t have to pay as much (assuming the minimum wage cap is below the equilibrium). These barriers restrict who can enter the white market which means that the ones who are already in the market don’t have to work as hard due to less competition. Also if he deals with any type of license in his line of work then that is also a barrier.
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    @pui
    On a side note, entering the black market means the only way to enforce contracts is by violence (since you don’t have access to courts). This increases crime rates.
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    @pui


    Here are some videos about barriers to entry if you`re interested.

    Video 1

    Video 2
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    @ vorpalsword
    “May 13, 2010 8:21:01 PM”
    this post is based on the fallacy that you don`t get paid when you work...
    The author never said you don’t get paid to work. The author said that they steal a portion of the wealth.
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    @ Jabbox
    “May 13, 2010 9:05:11 PM”
    It also works under the assumption that every person is fixed in their social class, and although they have freedoms, they ultimately end up where they began.
    No, people can change their social classes. The video never made those assumption.

    The industrial revolution is a great example of why too little regulation is no better than too much.
    What? How could you say? There was so much innovation during that time.
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    @ dooflotchie
    May 13, 2010 9:23:22 PM
    Anarchy means everyone and anyone can go around doing whatever they please to anyone else they choose and never be held accountable, never punished and never stopped
    Of course people will be punished. That’s what private police are for.

    May 13, 2010 9:25:52 PM
    If you think anarchy would be so great, go live in Somalia. Don`t forget to write and tell us how much you love it!
    Just so you know, Somalia is not in anarchy. It’s been out of anarchy for about four years now. Not to mention the quality of life in Somalia, while it was in anarchy, has improved.
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    @ Sohltofangy
    May 14, 2010 12:46:34 PM
    This is a silly video in my opinion. It`s far too paranoid of the government.
    No, not at all. It’s just aware of the nature of the state.
    I feel that Americans rule America and that we have the choice to be homeless tree whorshipping monkeys if we choose to be, we don`t HAVE to live in a corporate environment. But I for one choose to, after all Capitalism gives us freedom of purchase (for the most part), Free speech, freedom of travel, I mean, shoot, it`s a CHOICE.
    You do realize that taxes are not voluntary right?
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    @ derf87
    “May 14, 2010 1:05:07 PM”
    Going with the crowd of Capitalism is the only way to actually be able to "live" in America and have "money" to be able to "do things with."
    Don’t you mean the crowd of statism? For the record nature is not authoritarian because to be authoritarian you have to be author and to be an author is to be a being. Nature is not a being so it’s not authoritarian. Capitalism is the best system to be able to get the things you need. I know your type derf87, and I know how you’re going to respond. I’m guessing you call yourself a “libertarian socialist”? Even though it’s a contraction.
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    This video is worthless. There is no argument to sustain the slavery idea in capitalist systems. Humans need food to survive, if you don`t work to grow the food you die. Does this make you a slave, no. We pay taxes because there are certain needs that in order to cover require a combined effort of the society like building roads, health care, protection from criminals and abuse, etc.. The idea that we have education in order to indoctrinate people is absurd! In fact education helps us understand the society we live in and help us make it better.

    Indeed changing your social class from poor to rich is a very hard thing to do and not all can do it. But there are plenty of examples that if you work hard enough you can do it and most important, nobody prevents you from doing so.

    People that believe the crap presented in this video should get a few books and educate themselves on how the economy works. It shouldn`t take long for a smart person to understand that there are n
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    @ Anubis7160
    “May 14, 2010 2:04:12 PM”
    The only thing is, you have to get rid of money and allow free access to all goods and services to people, without trade, barter or debt.
    You can’t get rid of money because it’s just a representation of labor. You can’t get rid of trade because people will always be exchanging things. You don’t have to get rid of money and getting rid of trade is one of the most authoritarian thing you can do. You might think you’re an anarchist, but in reality you’re more authoritarian than most the statists on this site. (assuming you want to force this idea onto others)
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    @ Anubis7160
    May 14, 2010 2:10:36 PM
    A resource based economy has no money, no debt, no armies, no police, no laws, no politicians and no forced work for need of food, housing, goods, or services.
    I don’t know about you, but I’d like to have private police, so really I don’t want to part of your economy. Not to mention, people not having to work for food will mean that there will be less that is produced which will decrease the supply and less people will be able to get what they need.

    Its entire objective is to create maximum human happiness, while creating nothing less than peak efficiency and maximum sustainability. regardless of how much it "costs", money wise.
    You’re ignoring motivation. What incentive do people have to produce this peak efficiency and maximum sustainability if they can’t get paid.
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    @ Anubis7160
    [quote">Money is not what we need. Goods and services is what we need. and then the question becomes not "do we have the money" but "do we have the resources"[/quote">
    Money is a way for us to exchange our wealth without it spoiling. Like I said we benefit from having a currency system.
    I suggest you educate yourself.
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    @pui
    May 15, 2010 5:56:06 AM
    For instance, so let`s say you hired protection to protect you, your family and your stuff. What is stopping someone with more "protection" from killing you and your family and taking all your stuff?
    Well the person who is trying to kill you has to provide a product or service to society. If they waste their money hiring mercenaries they have a harder time competing in the market. This de-incentivizes them from killing you, because it’s not profitable. They would have to spend A LOT of money going up against an entire police agency even if they can win. Not to mention the damage their reputation would undergo.
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    @pui
    Also, what if another country wanted to take us out? There wouldn`t be any organized army, because who is going to pay for it? Are we all going to chip in? Isn`t that just taxes?
    If a state wants to take over a stateless society, they have to go up against ALL of the private police agencies. Not to mention it’s hard to control a population that does see agents as legitimate.
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    @ razvanpat
    May 15, 2010 6:43:37 AM
    This video is worthless. There is no argument to sustain the slavery idea in capitalist systems.
    I don’t understand how someone can watch the video and still think our system is capitalistic. The only way to truly have a capitalistic system is to not have a state.

    The idea that we have education in order to indoctrinate people is absurd!
    So you don`t think the state is advertising itself?

    I know personal experiences don`t count for sh*t, but let me tell my experience anyway.I remember when I was in High School they told me that FDR`s policies got us out of the great depression. That`s really all I remember from that government class. And yes that was the title of that class. Government.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 7:02 am
    Okay I`m done for know. If anyone replies I`ll be sure to respond eventually.
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    razvanpat Male 18-29
    24 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 7:21 am
    @AnarchistGod
    Wikipedia definition of captialism:
    "Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned; supply, demand and price are mostly set by market forces rather than economic planning; and profit is distributed to owners who invest in businesses."

    I can own shares in most companies, especially the largest and most important ones, I can fully own means of production if I want, I get a share of the profit earned by the capital I own. I can trade any goods at the price accepted by the market. Yes, I live in a capitalist society.

    The state is not advertising itself. Your teachers tried their best to explain to you how the economic system works, and it looks like you didn`t understand much of what they were trying to tell you.
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    Anti-Statist Male 18-29
    18 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 9:27 am
    @pui What is stopping someone with more "protection" from killing you and your family and taking all your stuff?

    War is EXTREMELY costly on any business, so it would be in the businesses best interest to peacefully resolve disputes through arbiter or some other peaceful way. If any business was stupid enough to start a war they would most likely go bankrupt.

    States on the other hand have a nearly unlimited supply of money from its population(taxting) that allows for it to start and continue wars. And remember right now there is nothing stopping the guns of the state from killing you right now lol they have the patriot act. and you have NO defense agency that can protect you from the govt.

    finally, if another state tried to invade a stateless society, they would have to mess with many private defense agencies, community militias, and no doubt private citizens. also, who would they invade if theres no central state? they would have t
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    nickyjefferz Male 18-29
    106 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    What strikes me, is that everyone feels the need for a "JOB". I`ll rather appreciate my sentience, and spend my entire life learning; it is my belief that human beings are capable so much, all of us, but not all of us are treated fairly, mainly due to location, or family. Everyone just needs to take some Acid, then you will realise that there`s more to life than work, in a time where resources COULD, be utilised in a different way. Look at history as a whole, society`s change, and the future is unemployment because of automation e.g. robots; I`m just looking to the future and seeing that machines producing everything is the future. All jobs that require no human interaction, or creativity should be done more efficiently and faster, by a machine, leaving humans to be teachers, parents, artists, every one, or just to learn, to explore the universe around us and to appreciate the miracle of life.
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    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
    1372 posts
    May 15, 2010 at 11:44 pm
    Tl;dw.
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    Aprilizer Female 18-29
    84 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 12:10 am
    I got as far as 3:46 before I realized it was complete garbage.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    @razvanpat
    “May 15, 2010 7:21:38 AM”
    I can own shares in most companies, especially the largest and most important ones, I can fully own means of production if I want, I get a share of the profit earned by the capital I own. I can trade any goods at the price accepted by the market. Yes, I live in a capitalist society.
    We’re not living in a capitalistic society because you don’t fully own what you produce due to taxation. If you weren’t taxed there would be no state. If there’s no state then there’s no rulers. If there’s no rulers, you have anarchy.

    Anarchism = Capitalism
    Do you honestly not understand this?
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    @razvanpat
    “May 15, 2010 7:21:38 AM”
    The state is not advertising itself. Your teachers tried their best to explain to you how the economic system works, and it looks like you didn`t understand much of what they were trying to tell you.
    You claiming that I didn’t understand what was being taught to me just shows your inability to make an argument. For the record, I got straight A’s in school. I found out long ago that I didn’t go to school to learn, I went to school to listen to “experts”. I mean seriously, how could you say something like “it looks like you didn`t understand much of what they were trying to tell you” if you weren’t even in my class?

    You act like a sheep because it doesn`t seem like you ever question these “experts” and/or try to validate what they were saying for yourself. I say this because you think our society is capitalistic.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    @tedgp
    “May 13, 2010 8:26:02 AM”
    seriously, youre all believing this crap. bet you believe in that zeitgeist poo too
    @Tiredofnicks
    “May 13, 2010 8:40:52 AM”
    And we`re all ruled by a secret society of Nazi vampires.

    Nutjob.
    @ Olk
    “May 13, 2010 4:01:05 PM”
    bullpoo argument for anarchy

    Baa sheapie Baa
    @Aprilizer
    “May 16, 2010 12:10:17 AM”
    I got as far as 3:46 before I realized it was complete garbage.

    It’s one thing to disagree, but I have absolutely no respect for people who express their disapproval and at the same time not try to explain their reasoning as to why they don’t approve.

    @ Lolboy
    "Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:28:12 AM"
    tl;dw
    @xtreme_dude
    Saturday, May 15, 2010 11:44:33 PM
    Tl;dw.
    Thanks for commenting anyway
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    bomberouno Male 18-29
    185 posts
    May 16, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    Looks like this forum is proving the thesis correct: "If you can get the cows to attack each other, whenever anybody brings up the reality of their situation..."
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    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    June 4, 2010 at 9:35 am
    That made me hungry for bacon.
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    TPGman Male 13-17
    26 posts
    September 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    I think I always knew this. But they make this sound so negative. What are the "profits" that our governments gain used for?
    Yeah, its not hard to believe that we work for our government and its just pretty slavery. but I`m pretty sure I like this better than being in an animalistic state and just killing each other for survival. In this enslavement we can have friends, family, and a comfortable life.
    The taxes are the living cost (like if you were to live in a nicer house, it costs money right?) of being able to live in a nice comfortable environment.

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