Wisconsin Sex Ed. Teachers Going To Jail?

Submitted by: bunnygurl 7 years ago in
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If you teach sex ed. in Wisconsin, you might be going to jail. Teen pregnancy for the win? Does your school have sex ed?
There are 82 comments:
Female 7
i live in wisconsin and never had sex ed. and about 20 percent of my graduating class (06) had children by 07. maybe someone should have told them about condoms...
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Female 231
dumbbb
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Male 1,106
Man, this sex education debate is ridiculous. Kids don`t do drugs because of the "Say No to Drugs" campaign, and they won`t have sex just because of sex education.

There is no reason why schools can`t teach ALL the forms of preventing sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy (condoms, contraception, and abstinence) along with their positives and negatives. Education is about preparing kids for society, and how can we do that by only teaching them special intrest aspects of sex.
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Female 1,677
"Sexual education has no place in school, but the problem occurs because parents fail to do it. Because parents fail to do it, does not make it the responsibility of educators."

So your solution is...? No education for anybody, from anybody? Nice.
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Male 2,148
This is stupid, it hurts more than it helps, etc.

There`s nothing I can say that hasn`t been said already.
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Male 25,416
What? thats the world just to controlling now!
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Male 2,528
IDIOTS!!!

Teens are going to have sex regardless of whether or not they are taught how to do it safely.

Is is also illegal in Wisconsin for a teenager to take Drivers Education before they get there license? It`s the same thing.
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Male 1,610
Elkingo, why don`t you think sexual education belongs in schools?
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Female 48
Just to play devil`s advocates, parents ARE educators....not non-educators. We begin teaching our children early. Some of us mess up, others don`t. Because I am not happy with the quality of education my girls ARE receiving, I will be homeschooling this year. Sex Ed will be left up to me. Trust me, I will be learning right along with them on whatever I don`t know. I would rather it be that comprehensive then the Sex Ed I received in school, which was very vague and left too many questions on the table.
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Female 385
[quote]I`d think most all adults, Especially those that`ve had kids, Know exactly how it happens and how to prevent it from happening again. They advertise methods of birth control on TV now. It`s not like we live in the dark ages or something.[/quote]
Most people have exactly this much knowledge: If you put a penis in a vagina, there`s a chance 9 months later you have a baby. There`s also a chance a week later you`ll have a permanent itch.

This is hardly a comprehensive or effective sexual education. The average person does not know the structure or functioning of sexual organs. They do not know the developmental pattern of human embryos. They do not know the physical and psychological benefits of healthy masturbation habits. They do not have a comprehensive knowledge of what various STDs are, how they attack the body, and how they can be prevented or treated. They do not know how to use a condom correctly.

So chances are, mom and dad don`t know squat about sex.
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Male 17,511
[quote]"How many non educators out there know enough about sex to actually teach thier children about it?"[/quote]

I`d think most all adults, Especially those that`ve had kids, Know exactly how it happens and how to prevent it from happening again. They advertise methods of birth control on TV now. It`s not like we live in the dark ages or something.

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Male 936
@elkingo: its not the responsibility of educators to educate children?

I understand that somethings should be ALSO taught by parents, such as sex-ed, but its very important that children get the correct education on the subject. How many non educators out there know enough about sex to actually teach thier children about it? I`m not talking about sex is bad, wear a condom, etc etc, im talking about how sex works, why it works, etc. That most def should be the responsibility of someone trained to actually teach the subject
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Male 4,593
I fear that one day Wisconsin will overtake Florida in the per-capita "psycho" percentage.
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Male 477
I love this idea being thrown around that sexual education should be the responsibility of the parents.
Please, if the parents knew how to use condoms, half those kids wouldn`t exist in the first place.
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Male 5,620
cndman15: sigh.. i hate america

Then leave.
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Male 5,620
CrakrJak, as someone who works in the school with children: I agree with your statement 100%. I work as a therapist, and 95% of the behavioral problems I see are because parents are either lazy, or apathetic. Parents are always looking for someone to do all the work in raising their child. The problem occurs when someone tries to add in things that shouldn`t be a part of the curriculum. Like sexual education, or religion.

Sexual education has no place in school, but the problem occurs because parents fail to do it. Because parents fail to do it, does not make it the responsibility of educators.
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Female 437
Hmm as a teen parent... the later stages anyways........ im all for more "contraception" advice!! Condoms should be available wide and freely!!! more emphasis on the FREE side of things.. here in aus... you can get them pretty much anywhere in the city.. (for free) but seeing as i moved to the country.. after being sexually active. i found guys here to be oh u cant get them untill u pay for them.. and its true (after looking around my self!!) its bull poo! the guys who are actually looking to NOT impregnate chix have no choice but to pay for condoms... other than that there is one place (the hospital in my `classed as a city` town) for guys to get free condoms! Major let down! especially for the guys who actually care wether they get a chick up the duff or not! AUS need better programs.. and perhaps i wouldnt be classed as another STATISTIC... even tho really im not cause me and my partner have been together for 7 yrs n my kid is 5.
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Male 1,505
"Southworth also argued that teaching contraceptive use encourages sexual behavior among children, which equates to sexual assault because minors can`t legally have sex in Wisconsin."

Showing kids how to unroll a condom on a banana equals sexual assault? Wow.

"Southworth`s letter said law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults.""

Sex education classes ultimately lead to the sexual assault of children? This Southworth guy is batpoo crazy.
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Female 8,046
Just make free condoms available everywhere- make sure the little sods know how to use them, and why. Teenagers like sex- not a lot you can do to stop it- except educate them and try to make sure they are safe. Knowledge is always better than ignorance, you cannot make a good choice if you don`t have the neccessary information. Teenagers are not know for good decision making at the best of times anyway- so why make things worse.
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Male 17,511
Angilion: [quote] Would you close schools entirely and have everyone educated solely by their parents? [/quote]

No, Schools have their place and purpose. However `life skills` need to be taught by parents. It`s because parents have become lazy and apathetic that the schools feel the need to step in and teach these subjects. There is a good reason why PTAs were formed, Teachers seen that parents were not involved with their children`s lives and grades suffer because of it. Parents involvement is essential to the education of their children, Without it all we`re raising are delinquents.
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Male 230
i went to school in WI and we had very in depth sex ED classes.
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Male 15,832
raikun12 "Really I Think all the major metropolitan areas should become floating citadels and destroy the rest of crazy America."

Hey, works for me! What are you going to do, though, after you eat the next to last person in the city?
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Male 586
Theocracy here we come!
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Male 586
Really I Think all the major metropolitan areas should become floating citadels and destroy the rest of crazy America.
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Male 586
Thank god I don`t live in a hick state.
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Male 5,626
"I`m sending you this letter to inform you that if you follow the law, you`ll be in violation of the law."

I smell a write-in to have this ass removed.
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Female 105
Yeah I am from/live in Wisconsin and I was always a little p*ssed off that they never taught us proper condom use. They told us about STDs and always stressed that the only 100% way to prevent pregnancy and STDs was to abstain. Otherwise they just told us this is how your body works, these are the parts. I have always loved though that my teacher announced her pregnancy while teaching us the birds and bees.
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Male 774
xKrazyKoalax

Well I am from the West.
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Male 208
My sex ed teacher told me some story about how a guy wouldn`t sell kids condoms because of "moral obligation" i guess. He was an idiot because i bet they have a kid. @ Salted Eggs you sound like you should be a cowboy. Or my Uncle.
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Male 774
Okay, let me paint you a simple picture here.
America is one of the highest in the teen pregnancy area, if you don`t teach them proper contraceptive use, that number is just going to go higher.

Saying that something will encourage sexual acts in face of this knowledge is the equivalent of trying to close the barn door after all the horses got away.
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Male 154
haha we already know abstinence only training doesnt work. its mental to not teach kids how to not get pregnant.
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Male 2,307
This is drating insane. Really?? How would child sexual assaults increase because CHILDREN are learning about sex?...so are children going to become pedophiles now too? What the hell...
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Male 4,014
Ohhhh boy - Abstinence Only education works, just ask Sarah Palin. Oh, wait...
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Male 2,440
From the article:
[quote]Southworth`s letter said law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults."[/quote]

^Asshat alert^

God forbid we should teach high school teens about contraception. No no, condoms and masturbation are the devil! Wisconsin fail.
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Male 813
BTW, this would make an EXCELLENT South Park episode. You hear me Matt and Trey?
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Male 813
Perfect example of a real life troll guys. Revel in the epic stupidity.
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Male 12
Sigh, normal pseudo-puritanical American ideals at work

"durpp-a-duuuurp, if we tell `em youngins` there`s such a thing as sex, they might actually do it! They could never have heard of sex from anybody else, and teaching them how to be safe would OBVIOUSLY lead to more teen pregnancies! It`s all part of them durn terrorist`s plans!"

I`m moving to Europe.
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Female 721
To whoever said something about letting the parents teach them, that`s all well and good but they have opinions about it and different methods of teaching. And what if they give wrong info or none at all? The sex ed class I went through was basic facts with no bias. Does it always help? No. You can lead a horse to water, etc.

Also I have to question the mention of Wisconsin not legally allowing minors to have sex. So, what, 15 year old gets pregnant she goes to jail? Coat hanger sales go through the roof~
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Male 138
"Southworth also argued that teaching contraceptive use encourages sexual behavior among children, which equates to sexual assault because minors can`t legally have sex in Wisconsin."

Yes, Captain drattard actually said teaching contraceptive use is the same thing as sexual assault.
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Male 328
sigh.. i hate america
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Female 46
some people seem to be advocating what that pervert texas dad did... i think he should have let the govt teach his girls.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Well that`s because many parents have abdicated their responsibilities to the government, Which is a damn shame. Parents are teachers and they better realize that fact and accept it. [/quote]

Would you close schools entirely and have everyone educated solely by their parents?

If not, why not? Why do you think your argument applies to some subjects but not others?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Yes, because as a teenager, I had no interest in sex until I took sex ed[/quote]

You too? Good job there were all those adolescents getting sex ed at the same time, so we all suddenly wanted sex.

Do the people who make these decisions have no understanding of biology at all? Or memories, as they appear to have forgotten puberty.

I didn`t really get any sex ed, just a hour squashed into a biology class when I was ~14. I wanted sex from about 11, and would have had it given the chance. Knowledge would have been far more useful to me than ignorance.
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Female 222
they should just start 2 different sex ed classes: one for the sluts of the school and the other for the nerds who won`t be getting any EVER so then they know how to teach them.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I never understand how America is on the lead of scientific advances in all fields and still have to deal with this kind of stupid stuff[/quote]

I hadn`t thought of that, but now that you mention it, I agree. It is a strangely contradictory situation.

Although I don`t think the USA is in the lead in every scientific field, your point holds.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Southworth also argued that teaching contraceptive use encourages sexual behavior among children, which equates to sexual assault because minors can`t legally have sex in Wisconsin.[/quote]

That argument brings to mind a memorable comment I saw on a webpage:

It`s like being bukkaked with stupid.
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Male 17,511
Boadicea: It`s called `life skills` and parents should be teaching their kids how to live and be healthy.

That is completely different than teaching how flowers grow and how to figure mathematics.

Parents should be teaching their kids how to do laundry, fix meals, go shopping, change a flat tire, etc...

The schools have enough problems teaching what they are required to already. Parents need to get off the couch turn off the TV and take some responsibility for teaching their kids.

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Male 17,511
"most parents don`t seem to want to teach their kids about it. They leave it to the schools to figure out what to do to keep kids from exploding with syphilis"

Well that`s because many parents have abdicated their responsibilities to the government, Which is a damn shame. Parents are teachers and they better realize that fact and accept it.

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Male 7,378
More nonsense from the right.
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Female 525
"Southworth also argued that teaching contraceptive use encourages sexual behavior among children, which equates to sexual assault because minors can`t legally have sex in Wisconsin."

That`s like saying the creators of Grand Theft Auto can be jailed because they encourage murdering..
No one will actually persecute these teachers.
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Female 728
Schools are in a better position to teach sex ed because they would be able to describe the biological aspects better. Also, they would have more current information on contraceptives. A lot of parents don`t regularly use contraceptives, and probably don`t know the statistics involved, regardless. I think that it is important for parents to teach their kids the basics about sex education, but having it taught in schools means that it is more likely that students will get complete, accurate information.
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Male 3,431
That is effing Retarded.
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Male 1,629
we dont have a dedicated sex ed class it is kinda rolled into health class.
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Male 1,231
han5nah- Definitely right on that one- kids do need to know how to protect them selves, cos they`re going to want to experiment etc at the end of the day. But i think it goes a little deeper than that (no pun intended) they need to know the emotional side of sex education, as well as the psychical side; the two more often than not go together.
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Female 735
kids need to know how to protect themselves when having sex. they`re gonna do it, whether you give them contraceptives or not. that`s why there are so many pregnant teens.
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Female 1,677
(@Crakr, not you mal)
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Female 1,677
Should parents teach them all about biology then? Sex is part of biology. Why teach them about health at all? It should be all up to the parents! Who needs school?

Get drated.
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Male 1,231
Knowledge is the most important part of this debate; it is primarily up to the parents to teach their children safe sex, relationship guidance, respect for the opposite sex etc. If a parent leaves it to the school, and if they have not built up enough of a relationship with their child which would enable them to talk about sex, they are to blame if their child is ignorant when it comes to sex education in my opinion.
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Female 275
@CrakrJak
That would be the ideal situation, but most parents don`t seem to want to teach their kids about it. They leave it to the schools to figure out what to do to keep kids from exploding with syphilis, which leads to situations like this.
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Male 17,511
Since when was it the responsibility of schools to teach about sex ?

Sorry, But this is akin to teaching `Bomb making` in schools and then have the teachers tell the kids not to go out and make bombs.

Parents need to step in and take the responsibility themselves, When the child is ready for it.
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Female 275
@5cats
http://tinyurl.com/ydzyz3y

http://tinyurl.com/27wuto

And these were just the first studies to come up as peer-reviewed on Google.
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Female 492
I had sex ed in middle school. Abstinence-only, of course. Whee, how helpful it was. It did not tell me about sex, just about all the horrible things that happen to people who do it before they`re married.
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Female 2,352
Wow good thing the uptight nature of the school I went to prevented me from getting sex ed! That could have turned all rape-y!
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Male 1,347
Wow, what a drating nutter
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Male 40,739
[quote]abstinence-only education after all those studies on how it actually makes teen STI/pregnancy rates go up.[/quote]
Oh right mmill928, so UNLIKE the free-love "but use a rubber" education since the 70`s which has the STD/pregnancy rate down to almost zero, eh? It gets lower every year!! Except where those "right-wingers" control the school system...
/sarc off
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Female 275
Makes me ashamed to live in WI. I swear, not all of us are retarded!

You`d think that people would give up on abstinence-only education after all those studies on how it actually makes teen STI/pregnancy rates go up.
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Male 4
"Considering that 1 in 3 teens in the United States has an STD, Me would think that `sex ed` would be required to prevent further infections in this age group. But then again the right wing (nuts) have gutted much of the `value` out of the education system there. *sigh*"

Where do you live? lol i think that statistic might be fabricated... just a little...
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Male 1,540
I didn`t know anything about sex until I went to class. After the session, I found out I had a penis and I went and started molesting women, because God knows I couldn`t have been capable of rape until I went to sex ed. Thank you governor, for preventing rape in the world and hiding horrible contraptions like condoms away from kids.
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Male 2,229
Considering that 1 in 3 teens in the United States has an STD, Me would think that `sex ed` would be required to prevent further infections in this age group. But then again the right wing (nuts) have gutted much of the `value` out of the education system there. *sigh*
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Male 111
Yes, because as a teenager, I had no interest in sex until I took sex ed:-?
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Male 719
@Angelmassb: This election map may answer your questions. I don`t mean to say that people who voted republican are unintelligent or uneducated, but the blue areas correspond with large cities and areas of higher education. Just look at NY and California, and you will see that these "liberal havens" have huge areas that hold republican sentiments.

One interesting example is St. Lawrence county in NY, which is incredibly rural and largely consists of people with conservative beliefs. However, between St Lawrence, Clarkson, SUNY Potsdam and SUNY Canton, there is a strong liberal base.


Election Map
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Male 222
Born and raised in Milwaukee WI and I believe that all sex should be banned in Wisconsin for the next 20 years. We are the most mentally unstable state in the U.S. and we shouldn`t be reproducing.
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Female 92
I think I am going to go vomit...
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Male 591
What a load of bull! It`s no coincidence that nations that teach their young people about all aspects of sex...fully, accurately and uncensored...have the lowest rates of teen pregnancy and teens with STDs.
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Male 480
*sigh* no matter what you teach high schoolers, they are gonna have sex. Abstinence-only education doesnt work with a group of horny teenagers. Teaching the proper use of contraceptives will at least encourage those horny kids to practice safe sex, and will decrease STD spread and teen pregnancy.
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Male 15,510
I never understand how America is on the lead of scientific advances in all fields and still have to deal with this kind of stupid stuff
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Male 52
Geez, you have to read the article. It`s illegal for a minor to have sex at all in Wisconsin?
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Male 177
Jesus tap dancing christ this country is going in the pooter. The drating DA is threatening teachers who are trying to OBEY A NEW LAW! This needs to be stopped.
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Male 250
my school had "sex ed" which consisted of statistics of questionable accuracy, statements that generally implied that all forms of birth control are little more than a placebo, and the general teaching that if gay people would stop having sex, AIDS would be completely eradicated.

And I was the only one in the class that didn`t buy into it.
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Female 2,695
if a kid`s going to have sex, they`re going to have sex. sex ed classes just increase the chance of them not being so stupid about it and getting preggo/getting someone else preggo
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Male 7,830
i hate people
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Female 7
Link: Wisconsin Sex Ed. Teachers Going To Jail? [Rate Link] - If you teach sex ed. in Wisconsin, you might be going to jail. Teen pregnancy for the win? Does your school have sex ed?
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