The Mennansaince

Submitted by: techgeek07 7 years ago in Misc

Finally, now guys don"t have to act like they give a crap about chick flicks.
There are 78 comments:
Female 99
So Madmen then.
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Female 1,677
DJDoubleb: The height of wit.
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Male 382
Boadicea shouldn`t you be in a kitchen somewhere?
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Female 4,039
Oh, and if he ever wills himself to lactate, that`s gonna be a deal-breaker.
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Female 4,039
vv Highfive edana! I love my husband dearly, but that sounds a little too familiar :P
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Female 2,509
God bless the The Mennansaince.

I need a real man! One who can stand up for himself, have basic auto/household repair knowledge, and doesn`t make me feel like I am raising another 15 yr old girl.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Well, Ang the part of the article where they state that he willed himself to lactate and then willed the lactation to stop is difficult for me to imagine. Has he done any other willpower experiments that have had the same positive result? Does he have mental focus that is a little stronger than average?[/quote]

It`s not just one man. Documented examples go back to the 19th century.

Nobody disputes that various pathologies can result in a man lactating. Starvation, for example. That proves that the basic capability is there.

The question is whether or not a man without any of those pathologies can lactate. The key issue is the level of prolactin. Men produce it, just not usually in large enough amounts to enable lactation. Under some circumstances, men can produce enough. Is the will to do so combined with the feedback of suckling enough to do it? Maybe.
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Male 9,305
Well, Ang the part of the article where they state that he willed himself to lactate and then willed the lactation to stop is difficult for me to imagine. Has he done any other willpower experiments that have had the same positive result? Does he have mental focus that is a little stronger than average?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Niceguy: No freaking way...with all due respect I feel as if I need more evidence. It`s an intriguing story, but I have doubts.[/quote]

Men breastfeeding? Why do you consider it so implausible? Men and women are not as different as we`re all conditioned to think and the basic equipment is in place.

It`s not common, that`s for sure, but there are documented examples and not just as a result of abnormal hormone levels caused by something being wrong.
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Male 9,305
Niceguy: No freaking way...with all due respect I feel as if I need more evidence. It`s an intriguing story, but I have doubts.
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Male 12,365
[quote]boadicea, all your graphs show is that men must be better workers than women.[/quote]

From an employer`s point of view, that is the *tendency* the graphs show. It`s a reflection of men tending to work longer hours and devote more of their life to work.

The biggest factor in the average difference in pay is the number of hours worked, both directly (work more hours, get more pay) and cumulatively (work more hours, more likely to get promoted).

Making mothers and fathers equal parents would remove most of the difference, but that would require a radical change in society including the removal of feminism (which of course opposes the idea because it would require mothers losing their preferential status over fathers).

Anyone who doesn`t believe me should look at pay comparisons between childless men and childless women and then overall. See the difference?
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Male 12,365
[quote]I`m all for equal rights between the sexes! That`s why I`ll be the one breastfeeding my children (after I give birth to them from my penis of course)[/quote]

I`ll bite - what do you think that has to do with rights? Are you arguing that people who breastfeed should have more rights? Less rights? Either way, why do you think that?
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Male 12,365
[quote]And Angilion, you are the most full-of-yourself troll I`ve ever come across. You think only you are right, and anybody who disagrees is lying or pushing some sort of crazy agenda. If you were less of a freak, you`d be bearable. But you are so far up your own ass it`s ridiculous.[/quote]

Obviously, it really bothers you that you can`t come up with a counter-argument to anything I`ve written.

I`m not going to waste my time trying to convert you to supporting sexual equality and you have no chance of converting me back to supporting sexism and hypocrisy (i.e. feminism). But hey, maybe arguing with each other might entertain some people and thus serve the purpose of this site. I`m just not that bored at the moment.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I think not.[/quote]

I agree - you think not. You just follow your prejudice, which requires no thought.

If anyone else cares, I`ll explain why your statement is rubbish that has been debunked repeatedly. There`s no point explaining it to you - you have made yourself unthinking. It`s an article of faith to you, despite being ridiculous and proven wrong.
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Male 669
enough of these metrosexuals
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Male 169
Men CAN breastfeed btw so be careful with what you consider the right of a woman but not a man. Equality goes both ways you know...

Milkmen: Fathers who Breastfeed

Apologies for the double post everyone!
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Male 169
"Breastfeeding is not a right, it`s a biological ability- why that should determine rights between people is ridiculous."

That is exactly the point I was trying to make (glad you caught on :D )

People should have equal opportunity regardless of gender, race, or otherwise, but lets face it people there are going to be physical differences that all of the good intentions and "feminism" aren`t going to do away with and that`s just the way it is.

My biggest problem with any sort of advocacy group is not that they try to help the underdog but that they tend to emphasize the inequality they are trying to do away with and subsequently perpetuate it. "Feminism" should not be about women exclusively, but it should be about both sides of the gender equation and trying to level out the disparity between them. Of course, calling it after either sex is off to a bad start then...

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Female 275
I think this supposed reversion back to "old ways" of masculinity supposes that all men today are "soft" somehow. I dislike that there is some sort of inherent definition of masculinity; it`s the same as drawing standards of femininity. It`s just as unfair to men to try and move an entire gender back in time. And just because they supposedly will leave behind sexism, homophobia and racism doesn`t mean this regression is healthy.

This kind of old-guard manliness is the stuff of guys not going to doctors, not seeking therapy, and repressing their feelings for fear of being seen as a "manboy", "dumb dad," or "metrosexual."

I don`t understand why we need any archetypes on which we should base our identities; neither men nor women.

And why exactly is going back in time a good idea? Shouldn`t we be looking forward to a better future?
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Male 7,831
boadicea, thats quite a leap you made there. why are you so stuck on slaves anyway?
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Male 98
I stopped being sexist coz bitches hate that poo... -- Words of wisdom from my grandfather
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Male 1,918
Almost all I got out of the was Dirty Jobs is so cool that this random guy brings it up
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Female 1,677
Well I guess whites are better than blacks since they were the enslavers and not the slaves.
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Male 9,305
What? 6 pack abs are hot. I like a guy with abs like that because it shows discipline and a healthy body.

Plus it`s sexy as all hell.
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Male 7,831
boadicea, all your graphs show is that men must be better workers than women.
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Female 1,677
Breastfeeding is not a right, it`s a biological ability- why that should determine rights between people is ridiculous.

And Angilion, you are the most full-of-yourself troll I`ve ever come across. You think only you are right, and anybody who disagrees is lying or pushing some sort of crazy agenda. If you were less of a freak, you`d be bearable. But you are so far up your own ass it`s ridiculous.
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Female 1,677
Debunked by who, you?

I think not.
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Male 169
I`m all for equal rights between the sexes! That`s why I`ll be the one breastfeeding my children (after I give birth to them from my penis of course)
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Male 12,365
I thought you`d do a better job of lying about your true position, Boadicea.

Instead, almost straight away, you let slip the fact that you think all male people are oppressors. That makes your extreme sexism very clear and it also makes a mockery of your claim to favour sexual equality. You regard male people as oppressors, not as equals.

Using the thoroughly debunked lie about pay would usually be a big deal, but in comparison with that it`s trivial.
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Male 7,831
boadicea, okay, put away the claws. the point i was trying to make is that the problem we have is no primary care giver in many households. if both parents are working, who is raising the child?

also, the slaves were freed long before the civil rights movement. so, next time you want to be a smartass, try being smart first.
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Female 1,677
"No it isn`t. It`s about female people. That`s why it`s called `feminism` and that`s why it is always about female people."

Yeah, because the male people oppress the female people. Hence the need for female people standing up for themselves.

"Men and women are different, Trying to make them equal is futile. Celebrate our differences and get along with one another in genuine non-threatening ways."

So you`re okay with women making 70 cents on the dollar because they don`t have penises? That`s what this is about- being treated as less because they are women. That`s threatening.

"Everything Angilion has ever said"

Wrong. You are blatantly spreading lies, or are a complete ignoramus, I cannot pretend to know which.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Men and women are different, Trying to make them equal is futile. Celebrate our differences and get along with one another in genuine non-threatening ways.[/quote]

If you really wanted to celebrate differences, you wouldn`t be in favour of sexed roles and stereotypes. You`re actually arguing *against* difference because you`re applying the idea of difference to sexes rather than individuals. That requires all men to be pretty much the same and all women to be pretty much the same, in order to maintain the differences that you want.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Well sexual equality doesn`t exist, so feminists are working to make women equal.[/quote]

Wrong and you`re showing a fundamental misunderstanding of what sexual equality is.

[quote] Generally they`re for total equality[/quote]

Wrong. They`re for more for female people.

[quote]You`re assuming feminism is all about reversing roles[/quote]

Wrong.

[quote]Maybe some wackjobs have accosted you and given you this impression of feminism[/quote]

Or maybe it was the years of being a feminist, the millions of words of feminist material I`ve read and the hundreds of feminists I`ve listened to, agreed with and argued with.

You`re spindoctoring. Maybe you`ve fallen for the ridiculous lie that feminism is about sexual equality, maybe you`re knowingly spreading false propaganda. There`s no way for me to know which.

I can`t really fault anyone for falling for the lie. After all, I did. It`s a very successful
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Female 394
Raberboom:"If women want equal rights make them sign up for the draft."

I wish they would^.^
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Male 12,365
[quote]Many misandrists DO hide behind the label of "feminism" when all they really want to do is dominate men, but real feminism is entirely about equality.[/quote]

No it isn`t. It`s about female people. That`s why it`s called `feminism` and that`s why it is always about female people. That`s what it`s for - it`s a biological group advocacy ideology.

In order to do that, you must as a first step define (and therefore judge) people on their sex. You can`t be about female people unless you start by defining people on the basis of whether or not they are female.

Feminism isn`t necessarily misandrist, but it is necessarily sexist.

Feminism also includes any and every degree of antimale sexism, right up to and including bona fide misandry. That would not be possible if feminism was about sexual equality. Which it isn`t.
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Male 438
"Many misandrists DO hide behind the label of "feminism" when all they really want to do is dominate men, but real feminism is entirely about equality."

well i for one am ok with being dominated as long as she remembers the safe word.
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Female 509
I`m loving the menaissance.
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Male 17,511
Raberboom: Uhmm... There is no draft.
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Male 7,378
v We have an all volunteer military. v
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Male 17,511
Men and women are different, Trying to make them equal is futile. Celebrate our differences and get along with one another in genuine non-threatening ways.
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Male 833
If women want equal rights make them sign up for the draft.
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Female 1,427
[quote]i have nothing against feminism


I do. I advocate sexual equality, therefore I oppose feminism. It`s that simple. Feminism and sexual equality are mutually exclusive and fundamentally in opposition.[/quote]

No, misandry and gender equality are mutually exclusive and fundamentally in opposition.

Feminism, however, only strives to make females equal in legal, political, social, and other matters, to males.

Many misandrists DO hide behind the label of "feminism" when all they really want to do is dominate men, but real feminism is entirely about equality.
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Female 1,677
Well sexual equality doesn`t exist, so feminists are working to make women equal. Generally they`re for total equality, not just taking over the men`s role and creating a matriarchy, since that would be about as crappy as patriarchy is now. You`re assuming feminism is all about reversing roles, and it`s not. Maybe some wackjobs have accosted you and given you this impression of feminism, but that`s too bad because that`s not what it is.
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Male 606
Yes.
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Male 1,610
in the south loving jesus and driving an F150 makes you a man.
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Male 12,365
[quote]i have nothing against feminism[/quote]

I do. I advocate sexual equality, therefore I oppose feminism. It`s that simple. Feminism and sexual equality are mutually exclusive and fundamentally in opposition.
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Male 12,365
Clarification: The tunica was standard clothing for both sexes, but the custom (and customs regarding clothing were very strong in Rome because clothing was a statement of social and legal status) was that men wore it short and women wore it long. Certainly above the knee for men.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Do you know what makes a "Real" man.[/quote]

Be male and physically mature, i.e. an adult in biological terms.

Everything else, and I mean *everything* else, is an add-on that doesn`t really have anything to do with being a real man. Some of them are secondary biological characteristics connected to being a man, but even those are strongly affected by social norms. Body hair, for example.

Almost all of it is purely social. Clothing, for example. What`s special about a suit? It`s simply an item of clothing considered to be masculine in some societies some period of time ago. Whoopie-do. May as well wear a miniskirt-length simple dress. That was considered very masculine clothing over a wide area for a longer period of time.

No, I`m not joking about that. It (the tunica) was the standard item of clothing for men in the Roman republic and empire and was seen as very manly.
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Male 1,596
is this supposed to be titled menaissance?
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Male 25,416
OK!!!!!!!
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Male 65
Yay Freemasonry
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Male 5,194
Isn`t this guy 10 or 20 years out of date? Who the hell uses the term "metrosexual" anymore?
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Female 1,677
"i have nothing against feminism, but it did spark a lot of unforseen issues in todays society. feminism created confusing gender roles, left children with neither parent really raising them, and honestly helped put our country in the state it is in today."

Yeah, and the civil rights movement created a huge problem by taking away everybodys hardworking slaves. Damn fight for equality, always creating these terrible unforeseen problems.
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Male 7,378
This is BS. The old days were not better than today. True that families could get by on one salary. But women and black Americans suffered in a racist, sexist world of second class citizenry. The people who reminisce of the olden days as if they were some some mythical wonderland are typically white and naturally self centered.
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Male 122
I`m all for it, but we definitely need a better spokesperson... One of the biggest problems with America today is the "Absent Dad." We should be teaching our children about honor, integrity, dignity, and respect. There`s too much emphasis on the materialistic and superficial. There`s a book called "Iron John: A Book about Men." It changed my life.
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Male 1,625
Manaissance: Reclaiming testicles, one pair at a time.
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Male 236
I agree with every part of that except the barber shop thing. Gay men give one helluvva haircut.
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Male 7,831
meatpilover, i have nothing against feminism, but it did spark a lot of unforseen issues in todays society. feminism created confusing gender roles, left children with neither parent really raising them, and honestly helped put our country in the state it is in today.
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Male 2,056
(flame on)
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Male 7,831
the biggest problem is females, they dont seem to like manly men too much anymore.
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Female 129
This guy is such an idiot. He is defining manliness as wearing suits, having body hair, and going to barber shops. Those are three of the most superficial, trend driven, definitions of "manliness" ever. And how exactly did feminism destroy manliness, he somehow failed to explain that.

And patchouly, please tell me when this magical time was when women where in power and no longer being discriminated against. I must have missed it. Or that time when men where being paid lower wages then women. Or that time period when women where no longer being raped?

I must have missed that last pendulum swing.
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Male 1,610
[quote]I am shopping for a nice suit... but it`s more of an hommage to Barney Stinson than whatever Mad Men is.[/quote]

mine is a hommage to Ron Burgandy.
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Male 10,855
HAIL TO THE MENNANSAINCE!
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Female 2,352
I`ll stick with man-boys thank you. :3
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Male 2,332
I think I fit in the man-boy category :p
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Female 1,677
Also the link title is spelled wrong. Menaissance vs. Mennansaince? Smoke much?
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Female 1,677
Wow somebody is insecure (and somewhat inarticulate). What was he even trying to say? As far as I could tell, to him "manliness" is about wearing a wool suit and getting your hair cut at a barber shop. That`s all it amounts to? Metrosexuals aren`t men because they wax? And I`m pretty sure emulating the men in Mad Men, while discouraging sexism, is contradictory. (It`s a good show, but come on).

"Manliness" is whatever you want it to be- work hard, play hard, wax or don`t.

This guy is a tool.
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Male 1
Screw that guy and his plan to men into what he wants men to be.
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Male 4,745
I bet this is the same guy that made the video, showing how to make a speaker with tin foil and a penny. ;)

Anyway, yes there was "reverse discrimination". When woman`s rights kicked in, the "discrimination pendulum" swung all the way to the other side and men were made out to be evil and stupid. Then it swung back and women were "Hos" meant to be used. Then it swung back again. Back and forth. Each time, the swing getting a little less drastic. That`s how it works.

Do you know what makes a "Real" man. Be strong and independent; yes. But treat others with respect. Always take the high road. Never kick a man when he is down. NEVER hit a woman. Be open minded and willing to adapt. Take others feelings into consideration.

Morally, be the best person you can be. That`s what makes a "real man".
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Male 2,056
hmm, yeah i guess it`s pretty true

@Aceman Jones, you are such a sad and tired troll
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Male 3,431
I totally agree with almost everything this guy said. I had a good role model to work from so I feel I have a pretty solid idea about what is expected of me as a man in society. It`s not about machismo, or chauvinism, it`s about self sacrifice. This is what is expected of men and has been since we climbed out of trees. Whether it`s fending off a pack of wild dogs with a spear or working twelve hour days in a salt mine. You have to live to serve.
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Male 3,332
Also, I`ve been saying this for a while. Just because it`s marketed to men doesn`t mean it`s manly. Take shower gel, for instance. Old Spice makes it, and markets it to us. Not manly. If you don`t agree with the fact that marketing to men doesn`t make it manly, then defend, if you can, the mankini, or mantyhose.
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Male 147
if i could, i would wear nothing but sharp suits, ohh yeah
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Male 3,332
Talked way too fast.
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Male 4,004
I have achieved an erection.

I am shopping for a nice suit... but it`s more of an hommage to Barney Stinson than whatever Mad Men is.
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Male 1,357
Hell yeah!!
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Male 81
This guy is such a sad and tired douchebag.
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Male 2,004
i can relate to this
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Male 2,592
Link: The Mennansaince [Rate Link] - Finally, now guys don`t have to act like they give a crap about chick flicks.
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