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Date: 04/27/10 03:06 PM

274 Responses to PETA Roped In Olivia Munn As A Spokesperson [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18829 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Link: PETA Roped In Olivia Munn As A Spokesperson - Normally we loathe PETA and their self-righteous message, but we`re willing to listen to them just this one time...
  2. Profile photo of VDragonV
    VDragonV Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    I love peta now.

  3. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    Nothing wrong with this message PETA haters.
  4. Profile photo of Kanchan
    Kanchan Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    She has toes like E.Ts fingers. Don`t worry, that wasn`t the first thing I noticed.
  5. Profile photo of Gortrok
    Gortrok Male 18-29
    773 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Noooooo, not her too :( The message is good, PETA is an abomination!
  6. Profile photo of idiotfilter
    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    how the??
  7. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Their self-righteous message of `Don`t torture animals`? Okay then.
  8. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    Peta should release a magazine to entertain gentlemen
  9. Profile photo of KeVsTeR2475
    KeVsTeR2475 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    oh hell no.

    how the fuuck can they do this. now they`ve gone too far. olivia munn was the one nearly every nerd admired. now shes in PETA and my dreams are destroyed. i will forever hate PETA and never consider it.
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    wow...look at those elephants.
  11. Profile photo of obeydarklord
    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    ok don`t think i don`t like seeing her in the buff, but what does that have to do with pachyderms?
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    What`s a circus? Other than what politicians partake in.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    Angelmassb has point, and I like it. Since they do soft porn and terrorism better than their claimed "core mission"
  14. Profile photo of obeydarklord
    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    @Boadicea: it is unwise to speak on matters you know little about. PETA goes way deeper than simply saying "don`t torture animals" they are extremists (and hypocrites at that) who believe that if you eat meat, you are sponsoring animal cruelty.
  15. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    If they got Megan Fox and Taylor Swift to do this my brain would explode.
  16. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    @obeydarklord: Why don`t you shut the drat up about matters YOU know nothing about. I`m a vegan of several years and the least extreme message Peta puts out is that eating meat sponsors animal cruelty (it obviously does). Did you miss the Peta post from a couple days ago? Yes they`re dumbasses, but for far different reasons than your ridiculous qualm.
  17. Profile photo of CinematicD
    CinematicD Female 18-29
    239 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    drat peta. this however, is all about the chi-chang!
  18. Profile photo of msieg007
    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    What does a nude woman have to do with saving elephants? I mean, don`t get me wrong, I enjoy the picture, but let`s try for some relevance next time, mmk?
  19. Profile photo of deltaumarcus
    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    But....
  20. Profile photo of crax
    crax Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    I saw the word circus and then I saw her, I can`t read the rest of the message now, but I think I know. We need MORE CIRCUSES!!!
  21. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Noooooooooo! Not Olivia Munn!
  22. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    "Why don`t you shut the drat up about matters YOU know nothing about. I`m a vegan of several years and the least extreme message Peta puts out is that eating meat sponsors animal cruelty (it obviously does). Did you miss the Peta post from a couple days ago? Yes they`re dumbasses, but for far different reasons than your ridiculous qualm."
    *Rumbling*
    FLAME-WAR INCOMING RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
  23. Profile photo of Kane132
    Kane132 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    "What does a nude woman have to do with saving elephants? I mean, don`t get me wrong, I enjoy the picture, but let`s try for some relevance next time, mmk?"

    If you read the title, you would realise that it is relevant.
  24. Profile photo of paddyt07
    paddyt07 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    I`m a vegetarian (by choice) and I don`t think that eating meat neccesarily sponsors animal cruelty. I mean look at Kosher meat, I`m sure the animals are specifically well kept and not harmed, and then killed in the most humane way possible.
    PETA sucks a big one.
  25. Profile photo of bobhub600
    bobhub600 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    Lets just think for a minute here...if there are more circuses then peta will have to make more campaign ads(and they could get a bit more...reviling!) ! This can only mean one thing...we all have to make more circuses...with elephants because they`re frickin awesome!
  26. Profile photo of Oblivia
    Oblivia Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    Be comfortable in your own skin and let animals keep theirs --> naked woman on poster = well the quote/message speaks for itself
    As nature intented, let elephants be free --> naked woman on poster = O_o Uhm?! Maybe a fat woman would have brought the message better - an elephant freed (from clothing)?!
  27. Profile photo of Asspenny
    Asspenny Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    you bob, you wouldn`t want more reviling ads, now revealing I can stand behind
  28. Profile photo of panth753
    panth753 Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    I went to the circus once, and only once. I completely hated it and refuse to do it again.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    chris
  30. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    paddyt07>>" I mean look at Kosher meat, I`m sure the animals are specifically well kept and not harmed, and then killed in the most humane way possible."

    No offense but kosher and halal meat is less humane. The animal is raised the same way as any other food baring creature. When its is ready for slaughter a rabbi or whatever will bless the animal, say a prayer and cut it throat. It will then bleed out, while fully conscious. A typical food baring animal will be "bonked" or "stunned" rendering it unconscious and then be allowed to bleed out. My point is.... kosher and halal is just waaay more inhumain simply because the animal can see its blood and life gush out of it, panic for a minute or less and slowly die. Make it unconscious (properly) and its dead without the shock and trauma..
    Dammit Fricken Frig the fricken Kosher and Halal bastard food killers and the way they torture our food.

    Thank you and have a nice day
  31. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    gorgack...you say several years huh...yet you are in the 13-17 age range so seriously little kid how long could you have been a dratting vegan for...

    when you grow up and learn a little about life come back here and tell us adults why we should listen to your wisdom and point of veiw because honestly until then, you HAVE NOT been there and HAVE NOT dont crap...

  32. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    I agree with boycotting the circus but i also agree with boycotting PETA
  33. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    god, she is so hot. makes me want to be kinder to the animals. i mean i wont, but it makes me want to.
  34. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    Sorry for the "rant" but everyone should be made aware of where their gall dang meat comes from!!
    A living, breathing, creature that had a piss poor life, to start with, DIED to make your bacon or steak or meat pie and I just want people to respect the fact that someone has to kill and watch an animal die so you can enjoy your pork chops or whatever..
    Rant over now

    PS... PETA sucks!
  35. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    Let elephants roam free! Kill all the people in Africa and India!!! - Peta
    2,000,000,000 people dead is a small price to pay for happy pachyderms!
  36. Profile photo of IshiiDaFishy
    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
    773 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    Damn, thats one elephant I`d let be trample me.
  37. Profile photo of theos12
    theos12 Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    When PETA kills all their puppies and kitties do they keep kosher? I know this has nothing to do with elephants or olivia - just wondering
  38. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    It`s not just that Elephants are simply not meant for circus life, but the circus literally has to constantly torture them just to force them to be tame. And they`re especially cruel to the young ones to break their spirit early. You could go to the zoo to see a much happier elephant, there`s no reason for them in circuses.
  39. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Who goes to the circus?
  40. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    How does anyone not know what PETA is really like? It`s not as though it`s a secret. Yet they have a steady stream of famous (or fairly famous) people eager to support the PR facade of PETA, which they have mistaken for PETA itself.
  41. Profile photo of lyckosam
    lyckosam Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    i`m vegetarian and try and avoid leather and products tht require an animal to die as best i can, but i dont think eating meat NECESSARILY entails animal cruelty. i accept tht bottom line, humans are biologically supposed to eat meat. all anyone should ask is that we do so in as humane a way as possible.
  42. Profile photo of dragosal
    dragosal Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    eh, if they could get christina hendricks to do that then i would be alright with peta
  43. Profile photo of Denogginizer
    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    They`re going for a simple association gimmick. When we think PETA, we`ll think naked woman and become happy. Either that, or we`ll see the naked woman, think of PETA, and not be able to get it up.
  44. Profile photo of BenTheBug
    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    You need hot, naked women in your ads about animal cruelty. It`s a fact.
  45. Profile photo of tstyblucryns
    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    @goaliejerry:

    apparently not olivia munn
  46. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    [quote">I mean look at Kosher meat, I`m sure the animals are specifically well kept and not harmed, and then killed in the most humane way possible.[/quote">

    Kosher is the rules of an ancient religion. It has nothing to do with modern morality. The main requirement of kosher slaughter is that the animal`s throat is cut while it is alive and fully conscious (no stunning allowed). Lifting the back of the animal is usual. The point is to drain the blood, although that`s silly because there`s no way all the blood will drain out.

    "She told me that the first time she visited a kosher slaughter house, she heard screaming cattle from a half kilometer away and wondered what was different in this place."

    Still kosher. Read the details. They`re nasty.

    Kosher slaughter

    Kosher has nothing to do with treating
  47. Profile photo of Stodogs
    Stodogs Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    jamie76-that was not gorgack speaking (notice the quotation marks), if you read farther back Boadicea (18-29 range) said it and gorgack was making a joke out of it.
    Try to know things before yelling at innocent people.
  48. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    They could have spent the money donated after their last advertising campaign on actually saving some animals instead of spending way too much hiring this woman to pose naked for their new advertising campaign so that they can fund their next one.
  49. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    Haha, yeah jamie76-- you`re supposed to directing that rage at *me*. Poor Gorgack.
  50. Profile photo of amozz
    amozz Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    She has beautiful feet.
  51. Profile photo of OrangeCrow
    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    What does this have to do with being naked? -_-;

    @BenTheBug: lol
  52. Profile photo of DuckBoy87
    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    OMG Photoshopped!

    lol, just kidding.
  53. Profile photo of Pabasa
    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    Umm, nope, still don`t give a crap to what PETA says.
  54. Profile photo of imno1the1
    imno1the1 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    that elephant looks like its about to naughty things to the other one
  55. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Angilion>> " The point is to drain the blood, although that`s silly because there`s no way all the blood will drain out. "etc etc....."Still kosher. Read the details. They`re nasty. "
    Try seeing it first hand angilion! have you ever bled any animial out...EVER?
    Its so easy to quote something from the wide wide world of webs, but to do it, and watch a lamb look at you, eye to eye and to know, it knows what going on....(and yes almost all the blood does drain out).
    When I killed I showed compassion to each and every one of them. "read the details. they`re nasty."
    Try living "the details"

    Rant over, again... I had a nasty day.

    PETA still sucks

  56. Profile photo of Slings
    Slings Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    IMB should run a campaign to save Olivia Munn from PETA. I will personally volunteer myself as her new wardrobe.
  57. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    Sorry for going on and on.. but I hate the ignorance of people who take meat for granted and never had to slaughter anything to enjoy your steak/chop/meatloaf.
  58. Profile photo of RiseAgainst3
    RiseAgainst3 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    I hate PeTA, but is Olivia a vegetarian/vegan? That makes her even hotter to me O_O.
  59. Profile photo of SunnyNphilly
    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    damn that is one well placed foot... hey PETA- Release the beaver!
  60. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    a1butcher, it`s modern convenience. People don`t have to make their own clothes or build their own furniture anymore either.
  61. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    PETA and everyone else who tries to terrorize other people into becoming vegetarians or whatever need to shut the drat up. I hate that poo.
  62. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    to: pui .. I know. we are so complacent about everything but food is so personal to me.
    People are just not aware of what that piece of meat went through to get in your meatloaf.
  63. Profile photo of angelo0317
    angelo0317 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    PETA, I`m all ears now.
  64. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    I think the majority of you "hate" PETA because it`s the cool position to hold. The in thing to hate. Ooooh look I hate PETA! They`re bad they euthanize dogs. When in reality if we were treating animals so well there wouldn`t have been a need for PETA.
    You don`t have to agree with their positions on everything to recognize they have been a force for good to those who have no voice.
    The message here is righteous. Elephants shouldn`t be shuttled around from city to city so some monkey can ride it for the joy of humans. They should be free.
  65. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    April 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    @madest
    I honestly agree with you to a certain extent, alot of people hate on PETA because it`s totally cool and hip and all their facebook friends do it but that doesn`t mean PETA isn`t a bag of dicks. I recommend Penn & Teller: Bullpoo (episode 1 or 2, Season 2 IIRC), not only because they`re smart and make good points (although probably biased) but also because it`s a funny show.
  66. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    Their message may be good, but I still would never donate money to them.
  67. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    Sorry to burst everyone`s bubble on this...

    But she`s just a paid advertiser. She doesn`t actually live up to the ideas of PETA...

    I never liked her in the first place, but now I have another reason. She fits in quite well with PETA, being a hypocritical b*tch and all...
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    reptilia Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    I don`t give a poo about PETA, but you are an non-nice individual if you go to the circus.
  69. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    do i see vadge? i think i see vadge.
  70. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    "I think the majority of you "hate" PETA because it`s the cool position to hold. The in thing to hate."

    No, I hate PETA because I`ve actually had to put up with their BS since I was in 3rd frickin` grade. They forced their way into my school, to start with.

    Three PETA parents damn near got the school menu changed, until other parents stopped that. Not that the PETA non-nice individuals backed down...

    From there, there are plenty of other Animal Rights/Liberation groups that do the job better, but they don`t get the money because they don`t pull BS publicity stunts, and they don`t publicize because the money they receive goes to actual worthwhile causes.

    I`m all for humane treatment of animals. I HATE circus`s, and other torture for amusement or "fashion". But I also hate PETA, because what they do pretty much only succeeds at pushing people farther away.
  71. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    So... they`re all for the ethical non-exploitation of animals, but they`re willing to exploit women sexually to get what they want?

    BTW, there haven`t been ANY animals whatsoever in circuses in Australia (or visiting Australia) for over 20 years, thanks to Silvers Circus and the shocking mistreatment of its animals, and legislation that was passed as a result of that investigation, banning any animal acts.
  72. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    madest.. PETA are a bunch of hypocrites. I hate the degradation of animals forced to do things totally un-natural for our entertainment. Who isn`t?? (rhetoric)
    Peta goes way way over the top to "help" animals. Inhumane treatment of animals MUST stop and Peta has drawn alot of attention to that but No one takes them seriously anymore because of their tactics.

    Remember when they went after your President because he swatted at a fly?

    Rant over cause burgers are on the bbQ.
    No pho for me.
  73. Profile photo of RiseAgainst3
    RiseAgainst3 Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    "So... they`re all for the ethical non-exploitation of animals, but they`re willing to exploit women sexually to get what they want? "

    And yeah, I agree with Lion, I thought I was the only one who thought these ads were a little wrong.
  74. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    You wish you saw Vadge Fancy... you wish.
  75. Profile photo of redelle
    redelle Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    what about cirque du soleil? should we boycott that too peta? what about the media circus peta creates? should we boycott that too peta? why is there a naked woman for boycotting circuses? that makes no sense... no sense what so ever.
    p.s lionhart2 thats bull about circuses with no animals in australia... there has been plenty with animals!!! the last one I took my family to had elephants and lions and that was australia (in lismore) and that was 4 years ago.
    there is no animal ban in circuses in australia.
  76. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    "So... they`re all for the ethical non-exploitation of animals, but they`re willing to exploit women sexually to get what they want?"
    ------------
    Nonsense. Women can consent. Animals cannot.
  77. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    I think the majority of you "hate" PETA because it`s the cool position

    No madest, we all HATE YOU because you are a TROLL!
    Thought I`d clear that up.
    Why, madest, does anyone who vaguely disagrees with you must do so purely out of hatred? Is no human (or cat) alive on the planet capable of forming an opinion except you?
    Obviously, troll-boy will answer "yes".
    It gets really tired after a while madest, please come up with new trolling tactics.
    k-thx-boi.
  78. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    "Nonsense. Women can consent. Animals cannot."

    You`re not exactly getting his point...

    Wait... WTF am I doing... I`m not gonna start this sh*t. I know what happens when people attempt to argue with Madest...

    Never mind.
  79. Profile photo of ScottSerious
    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    what. what are you guys talking about animals for? all i see is a nekkid olivia munn. mmmmmmm.
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    "And yeah, I agree with Lion, I thought I was the only one who thought these ads were a little wrong."

    A little wrong, but oh soooo right.
  81. Profile photo of rushian
    rushian Female 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Naked woman...elephants.

    Naked woman...elephants.

    Where`s the correlation? I`m not seeing one.

    Stupid PETA. ._.
  82. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    @ 5cats ....Come on 5cat... Madest is just trying to make a point also... that doesn`t make him a troll.
    I`ve seen you debate alot of stuff you believe in also.
    Does that make you a troll?
  83. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:53 pm
    "No madest, we all HATE YOU because you are a TROLL!
    Thought I`d clear that up."

    "We all"... that means what? I don`t hate him and it looks like you, 5cats, are the troll with your comment.
  84. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    5Cats is a troll- and I must say borderline retarded. No offense :)
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    Olivia Munn`s skin is all silky and smooth while an elephant`s skin is wrinkling and cracked. Is she saying she`ll make the elephants more like her if we join PETA? People for the Erotic Treatment of Animals?
  86. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    @5cats.... I think you call people out for what you think is trolling waaay to much. Just cause madest disagrees with you ,as do a lot of others, you don`t need to slap the "troll" word around like your last nights bitch.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    So they show me a picture of a sexy lady and expect me to give a poo about some elephants?
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    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    I saw a big truck with an anti- circus ad with a picture of an elephant on it, and my friends and i pointed and laughed until the driver glared at us.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    > redelle
    > there is no animal ban in circuses in australia

    To be a bit clearer then: Prohibition of the Use of Exotic Animals, by circuses or individuals, is a nationwide concern, BUT successive Federal Governments have refused to take a policy on it. It is therefore left to individual councils to enact their own legislation/bylaws.

    Exotic Animals are banned in 471 of the 562 Local Government Areas in Australia. If yours isn`t one of them, you need to be writing to them and asking why the hell not.

    Almost all of those councils who enacted bylaws, did so in the 1980`s following an investigation of Silvers Circus, which revealed animal abuse, malnutrition, violence and disease on a sickening scale, was the norm.
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    rexusdiablos Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    "So... they`re all for the ethical non-exploitation of animals, but they`re willing to exploit women sexually to get what they want?"
    ------------

    "Nonsense. Women can consent. Animals cannot."
    ------------

    That makes sense. Munn volunteered. The elephant submits fearing the harsh reprisal of it`s trainer. There`s a big difference between acting on free will and acting out of fear.

    It`s called specieism (correct spelling). It`s as bad as racism and sexism. We are all earthlings: animal and man. We share this planet. To kill a pig, sheep or cow is to kill one of own terrestial species.

    The holocaust never ended. Ten million earthlings (cows) are drugged in concentration camps and nightmarishly culled for McDonalds every year.

    I challenge ANY confident omnivore to watch this documentary IN FULL and revert to me with the same dietary sensibilities:

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    rexusdiablos Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    http://www.documentarywire.com/earthlings

    It`s narrated by Joaquin Phoenix
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    It`s called specieism
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

    omg you made my day *wipes tear*
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    "I think the majority of you "hate" PETA because it`s the cool position"

    Since when is it cool to hate PETA? I think you just think we think its cool.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    Speciesism is not funny. I own Earthlings and so far the friends of mine who have watched it (well only two have) have gone vegetarian. One of them used to be a total supporter of meat consumption and now she`s showing that movie to everybody. Obviously if you`re an inherently uncaring individual, nothing will change that, but to people who do care about animals on some level- that movie is difficult to get through and will hopefully jar them into being more conscientious with their dietary choices.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    I`m sorry, that`s hilarious.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm
    rexusdiablos.. "To kill a pig, sheep or cow is to kill one of own terrestial species."

    so when a hawk kills a gopher for nourishment or a big fish eats a little fish to live its killing "one of own terrestial species"... Yea, that`s pretty much it in a nut shell.
    We have to eat to live, as do ALL LIVING things.

    What did you have to eat today? Something that was alive at one point, I bet.

    Earthing Hypocrite
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    Yeah, they keep showing a shot of Munn posing for PETA on G4. I was hoping it would just go away. >.<
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    Raisin_Hell Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    rexusdiablos
    Male, 18-29, Europe 46 Posts Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:09:39 PM
    I challenge ANY confident omnivore to watch this documentary IN FULL and revert to me with the same dietary sensibilities:

    Still going to eat meat.

    "The holocaust never ended. Ten million earthlings (cows) are drugged in concentration camps and nightmarishly culled for McDonalds every year."

    Are you kidding me? Your comparing the killing of millions of people killed and tortured to a slaughterhouse? Does it even make sense for a slaughterhouse to torture animals instead of killing them as quickly and humanely as possible to maximize profits? Slaughterhouses are inspected, and really if they were that bad, the government would be shutting them down.
    /rant
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    "It`s called specieism (correct spelling). It`s as bad as racism and sexism."

    No it`s not. Racism and sexism are based on extremely faulty stereotypes about biology. In general, racist and sexist sentiments are false. Specieist (or however its spelled) ideas, however, are based on the concrete separation or differences between us and other species. I have no reason to cherish the life of a pig or cow, but I have a very biological and psychological motive to cherish human life.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:30 pm
    "so far the friends of mine who have watched it (well only two have) have gone vegetarian."

    I wonder if hardcore vegetarians ever stop to think that, in consuming more plants to make up for the lack of meat, they`re increasing the need for farmland, which in turn increases the need to use whatever land available, which, in turn, means the destruction of animals natural habitats for farms.

    Of course, this is quickly becoming less of an issue, what with more efficient farming methods and all that, but still...
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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    People aren`t even responsible with other human beings. Why do they expect us to care about animals?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    Actually meat production uses up way more farmland for their feed than it would if we just cut out the middleman and ate the plants directly. So that`s a retarded argument.
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    shpook Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    I`m not uncaring, but NOTHING will ever make me give up enjoying that still-bleeding, heart-still-pumping, cooked-for-30-seconds, 24oz of cow heaven.

    Just sayin`.
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    Raisin_Hell Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    Also, I want to add, since your saying eating living things is bad, how come your eating plants?
    Your argument is flawed.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    A question to PETA supporters and vegetarians: Does it bother you that impoverished people in 3rd world countries slaughter animals for desperately needed food?
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    You know what, I don`t care if it`s PETA.

    Any excuse to see more of Olivia Munn.
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    shpook Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    And people, remember, most consumable meat comes from animals that were specifically bred for the purpose, not animals out in the wild. I bet most people would prefer us to use trees from a tree farm, and not a wild forest, no?

    I may be callous, but I find it hard to feel guilty about animals that lack cognition. Primates, dolphins, then I`d feel bad and take a pro-active role.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    "If it were true that animals are not rational/cannot think abstractly, what possible different could that make as a moral matter? Many humans (young children/mentally challenged) cannot think rationally or abstractly, and we would never think of using such humans as subjects in painful biomedical experiments, or sources of food/clothing" "In the end the only difference between them and us is species, and species alone is not a morally relevant criterion for excluding animals from the moral community"

    "The use of species to justify the property status of animals is speciesism just as the use of race or sex to justify the property status of humans is racism or sexism"
    --Gary Francione: Intro to Animal Rights
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    "Actually meat production uses up way more farmland for their feed than it would if we just cut out the middleman and ate the plants directly. So that`s a retarded argument."

    If everyone were to cut out the middle man, and just ate plants, then what would happen to plant consumption?

    Not to mention, plants are being used in a variety of other things right now, which further increases the need for farmland. If I heard correctly, there`s a shortage of feed in some places because of the increasing use of ethanol, etc.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    (cont.)

    What I`m trying to say is, either way there`s problems, because if you cut out one resource, then you need to make up for the lack of IT with others.

    And 3/4 of the time, you need more of the others than the original, that`s why we were using the original in the first place. Just like you need to eat a lot more of certain plants to make up for the lack of meat protein. That is, if you want to be a strong, healthy person as opposed to one of those worthless toothpicks...
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    addler Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    "Actually meat production uses up way more farmland for their feed than it would if we just cut out the middleman and ate the plants directly. So that`s a retarded argument."

    cows can move. Flooding, draught or varying natural disasters can wipe out a whole field of a crop while animals can be moved to a different location to ensure their survival and the food the comes with them.
    that is not to say animals cannot die to disease (plants can as well) but there is a reason for everything
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    "The use of species to justify the property status of animals is speciesism just as the use of race or sex to justify the property status of humans is racism or sexism"

    OH FFS!

    A god damn cow can`t put a man on the f*cking moon.

    A black man or a woman can do great things.

    THAT, my friends, is a retarded argument.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    Boadicea
    "Actually meat production uses up way more farmland for their feed than it would if we just cut out the middleman and ate the plants directly. So that`s a retarded argument."

    So you are going to eat silage? Animals convert non-edible plant matter into edible meat.

    Your non-argument is totally retarded .
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    People eat way more protein than they need to eat-- plenty is found eating a decent plant-based diet. Needing "meat protein" is bull. And the amount of feed grown for meat animals is more than humans themselves could eat. So we`d have plenty if it stopped going to meat production.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    Look, I`m not completely heartless. I think there are a lot of situations where people should treat animals better. Zoos and Sea World depress and anger me immensely, I try to educate people against purchasing an animal from a pet store and I even think we could be nicer to the animals we eat for food. However, comparing a beef farm to something like the Holocaust just disgusts me. We kill those animals to eat. Those people who died at those concentration camps were killed because of religious and racist intolerance. That is completely different and if you can`t see why, you`re the heartless one.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    A brain damaged person can`t do poo either-- should we eat them? Abilities don`t mean anything-- *you* can`t put a man on the moon, does that make your life expendable? If something is sentient, and has an interest in avoiding pain and suffering, then they should be treated accordingly.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    @Boadicea

    I hope you realize that your position is human-centric. No other animal is capable of willfully overcoming the impulse to protect one`s own species than humans. So to say there`s no moral criterion to prefer our own species over another or use differences in species to justify killing animals puts the human species in another realm altogether because no other animal can even come close to sharing those sentiments.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    i never understood vegatarians and vegans its ok to eat like fish and plants but no beef??? plants are liveing things that breath in carbon and release oxygen so loseing alot of that is harmful to us is it not and last i heard cow farts are a major cause of holes in the ozone so eating them i am doing my part to protect the earth lol
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    hm. naked woman with a side order of guilt, coming right up.

    Not sure when this debate ceased to be about using elephants in circuses (fair enough - they are endangered and there are plenty of other ways for people to see them these days as well as youtube clips if you really desperately need to see an elephant doing tricks for whatever reason) and became about dietary preferences..

    You know.. this could fast forward into a debate on creationism vs evolution since one of the reasons the human brain was able to evolve into its current state was the change of diet from mainly plant matter to fruits and meats (which have way way more energy). Subsisting on a purely plant matter diet now requires careful attention to vitimins and minerals - which may often need to be supplemented artificially.

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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    PUI... 100% agree
    (thank god somebody else finally gets it)
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    @ miasmaat

    Umm.. you don`t come around here much, do you?

    You have no idea some of the crazee debates/ flame wars that IAB`rs get into sometime.
    LOL
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    whipplefunk Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    Screw her right foot....
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    addler Male 13-17
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    omg! theres an argument over how tasty cows are and yet NOBODY informed me that there are Jordans for sale for $33?????
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    I`m going to to quote Francione again:

    "All forms of discrimination are analogous in that all share the faulty notion that some morally irrelevant characteristic (race/sex/species) may be used to exclude beings with interests from the moral community or to undervalue interest in explicit violation of the principle of equal consideration"

    I think people who see the correlation are less heartless than those who don`t.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    Boadicea

    answer this..... WHAT did YOU have to EAT today??


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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    "A brain damaged person can`t do poo either-- should we eat them?"

    Look... Not to be harsh, but... I`ve never been a huge supporter of protecting them.

    No, we shouldn`t eat them, of course, they most likely aren`t very healthy in the first place, but...

    Maybe I`m just inhuman, but once something`s worthless, eliminate it.

    "Abilities don`t mean anything-- *you* can`t put a man on the moon, does that make your life expendable?"

    Now you`re just being a b*tch. How do you know that I can`t put a man on the moon?

    Do you know my future plans in life?

    Do you know whether I could go to college, join NASA, and be involved in the next space project?

    Admittedly, I`m more interested in other things in life, but how do you know that I couldn`t be the person who redesigns the space-shuttles to be more efficient?

    YOUR argument is baseless and, stooping to your level, retarded. End. Of. Story.
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    in addition - living on vegetables is as bad if not worse than living on meats - plants scream ultrasonically when you callously kill them for your own selfish consumption. Only difference is - they dont look cute, they dont inspire sympathy, they dont bleed in any visible way and you cant hear them cry because of your own physiological limitations. (you also cant see them grow and respond to interaction because of your temporal limitations).
    really - if you are unable to manage your feelings of guilt at killing `earthlings` - you should really live on a diet of fruit. Although.. i suppose thats basically like subsisting on nothing but semen. Plant semen. Pleasant tasting and brightly coloured semen. however.. if you crap in the bush then - you have the warm fuzzy knowledge that its what the plant wants and you`re contributing to the `circle of life`
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Boadicea, I don`t speak for everyone but I think our attachment to our own species is biological, NOT moral. We have absolutely no biological reason (aside from strained resources) to protect or even care about the welfare of other species.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    once something`s worthless, eliminate it.
    Okay that is definitely farther than I am willing to go >_O
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    We have no biological reason to do anything other than drat and eat. Should we stop everything else?

    butcher: I hate oatmeal, some fruits, an avocado sandwich and some crap with salsa. What`s that got to do with anything?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    Altaru I`m sorry I didn`t realize you totally could send a man to the moon. My bad, and good luck with that or any other future endeavors.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    I agree with you completely Pui.

    On a side note, a year or so ago at the elementary school near my town, there was quite a ruckus when some PETA members showed up after school and handed out fliers that graphically depicted what goes on behind the scenes at a meat factory to the students. Needless to say, the kids, (who did nothing wrong at all) were very scared and upset. I`ve seen that happen at my college too, and it annoys me. My rule of thumb is - If you eat meat, that`s fine. If you don`t, that`s fine too.
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    bmh Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    OH MY GOD!! PETA IS EXPLOITING NAKED WOMEN TO SELL THEIR ANIMAL RIGHTS BS? I CAN`T BELIEVE IT! THIS SORT OF THING HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE! STOP THE PRESSES!
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    This is just getting to full of it now...

    G`night PUI and all other sane IAB`rs

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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    Speciesism fails hard too. In a twisted sort of way, claiming people are speciesist is speciesist. If you expect people to care about and stop killing animals by calling it speciesism, you must also expect animals to stop killing each other, otherwise you`re singling out humans which is speciesist.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    and miaswhatever: No. Just no. If you want to claim that plants feel pain too and we`re so terrible for eating them-- it`s still the lesser of two evils since all your meat animals are fed XY-times the amount of plants I could consume. So you`re still causing more pain. I hope you`re proud of yourself you plant AND animal serial killer.
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    actually we are concerned about the welfare of other species on two levels. on the personal one - things with faces (simple eyes, nose mouth) inspire sympathy in us. the larger the eyes, the more sympathy is evoked. (Its why pandas are way cuter than polar bears. and seals cuter than sea lions) this is simply due to biological imperatives to protect our young. it transfers.
    then on a more abstract cognitive level we have the will to preserve species because we have observed in the past how some species have become very useful for something (e.g. pharmaceutically) later. theres no way to anticipate this usefulness so we should try to preserve as much genetic variation as possible. This is quite a utilitarian and cold explanation.. but there you go.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    Boadice
    Ha Ha you said
    "butcher: I hate oatmeal"
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    "Okay that is definitely farther than I am willing to go >_O"

    I know, I`m incredibly harsh, a little evil, and DEFINITELY going to rot in the fieriest pits of hell. But that`s not the point of this discussion.

    "We have no biological reason to do anything other than drat and eat. Should we stop everything else? "

    No. Because we are a species with the ABILITY to do other things.

    Cows and pigs don`t. You know how I know they don`t?

    Because they don`t even have the brains to rise up as a whole and fight back against the cruelty they`re subjected too.

    "butcher: I hate oatmeal, some fruits, an avocado sandwich and some crap with salsa. What`s that got to do with anything?"

    He`s probably trying to bring up that you likely ate something meat involved.

    HOWEVER, even though you didn`t, you do realize that everything you ate was grown on land that was once an animals home, right?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    npdarren: The basic right of humans not to be treated as things does not guarantee that humans will aid other humans, or that we are obligated to intervene to prevent harm from coming to humans from animals or other humans. So the right of animals not to be treated as things means we can`t treat animals as our resources. It doesn`t mean we have moral or legal obligations to aid them or prevent harm from coming to them (from other animals obviously).
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    Haha whoops. I didn`t hate my oatmeal today, but sometimes...
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Boadicea - this is true. Animals eat plants - but then they also dont have moral quibbles about it. Herbivores dont morally choose not to eat meat - they are physiologically limited in their choices - their bodies are designed to process plant matter only - in most cases. carnivores in the animal kingdom generally dont spend extensive periods of time feeling guilty about their last meal.
    At the end of the day - is it the choice to eat meat you are really unhappy about - or the organised manner in which it is raised and killed? the brutal efficiency? our population is quite large in the meantime and having everyone hunt and gather would leave less time for computer programming and the production of entertaining tv dramas.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    I know this is off topic, but please..

    GUYS DO ME A FAVOR! I`m trying to win a Ben Tate signed jersey! Please go to this link and in the just others section, find my comment (Jerry Jackson) and click like. Even if you aren`t football fans, do this for me! If I get the most likes by Sunday, I get the Jersey!!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/2v97u2f

    Oh and PETA = People Eating Taint of Asians! (mmmm Olivia)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    Look, the only way for humans to NOT kill SOMETHING, is for us to not exist.

    As a growing species, we need space. Space requires that we take space that was at one time an animals home.

    Are you going to tell me that we should just stop growing as a species so we won`t have to use more space?

    Well, good luck with that message. In the mean time, I`m going to go do what I`m biologically told to do and pro-create.

    And eat meat, which my body, especially those flat teeth in the front of my mouth, evolved to do.

    And , another quick note: Look at ALL the species considered most intelligent in the world. Look at their diets.

    See what they include? (And yes, pigs do count because they eat damn near EVERYTHING, meat included.)

    Sure, humans overdo it a bit, like those guys who eat at McDonalds three times a day, but you`re not going to stop people eating meat. PERIOD.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    Boadicea, who arbitrated any rights? My points have been that people are biologically and psychologically attached to other people, and that`s the basis for people caring for none another. These attachments can only be applied on a personal level to animals, not on a biological one. My other point was that you`re the one who is discriminating against humans by expecting us to treat animals in an unnatural way. You can`t expect a lion to not kill a Gazelle, so why expect a human not to kill a cow?
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    If you do not like PETA there is something deeply wrong.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    auburnjunky, you should be banned for spam.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    *one another*
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    "HOWEVER, even though you didn`t, you do realize that everything you ate was grown on land that was once an animals home, right?"

    It would be impossible to have 100% blood-free hands in the western world when it comes to animals. It`s not about being a perfect little poster-child for a cruelty-free life-- it`s about reducing as much as possible your support of needless animal suffering. Pointing out the shortcomings of veg*ns doesn`t quite invalidate what we`re attempting to do.

    miasmaa: Well I do like my entertaining TV dramas... Hmm.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    ...it`s about reducing as much as possible your support of needless animal suffering.
    That I can mostly agree with.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    "You can`t expect a lion to not kill a Gazelle, so why expect a human not to kill a cow?"

    That was already addressed: I don`t expect a lion to not kill a gazelle, and if I did, I`d be more insane than you already think I am. Which would be quite insane.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    This is a debate I can sink my teeth into.. G`nite people... for real this time.

    Oh... Boadicea, I hated my oatmeal this morning too.
    ;-)
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    Standards Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    killing elephants is like killing babies. its wrong.
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    miasmaat Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Altaru - eating fruit does not kill any lifeform. But that`s neither here nor there in your `have some sense, people` argument.

    and yes - as a species i think we should be restricting our expansion somewhat. we`ve all seen what happens to bacteria on a petri dish when they run out of agar.

    people are inherently selfish. If there were a super advanced pill (made from waste products and sunlight, whatever - made in some non harmful manner) that would meet ALL our dietary needs for a day (like on the jetsons if you recall) and all you`d need to do is take this pill once a day and never eat again - I dont think it would be terribly popular. People LIKE eating. and they like eating meat especially. it is enjoyable. we are all slaves to our own brains. Guilt, pleasure, fear, sympathy, all these are mediated by neurotransmitter interactions. I guess we could force the whole population to feel guilt at the thought of meat.. but it would be an ethical trade off, of s
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    "it`s about reducing as much as possible your support of needless animal suffering."

    We can agree on that point, at least.

    However, our methods and understanding of how to achieve this goal are clearly different as night and day.

    I suppose, on that end, we`re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    For future reference, try not to make assumptions about the other person in debates. You end up sounding like an idiot when they tell you about themselves and they`re nothing like you thought they were.

    Referencing this V...

    "Abilities don`t mean anything-- *you* can`t put a man on the moon, does that make your life expendable?"

    I bet you would`ve felt like a total dumbass had I turned out to be a rocket scientist, eh?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    "I bet you would`ve felt like a total dumbass had I turned out to be a rocket scientist, eh?"

    Actually I would probably have felt super awesome because I`ve never talked to a rocket scientist before and it would have been cool.

    Also, yes let`s just agree to disagree- I swear I`m not a giant mean person, I just feel like when it comes to animals I`m not speaking the same language as others, which is annoying. But oh well, it`s just like a conservative trying to communicate with a liberal. Different ideologies = no comprende. But that`s cool. You`ve all been decent enough. Now I`m going to go smoke a J.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    Though to be fair, it`s usually a safe bet that any given person you talk to isn`t able to put a man on the moon haha, I was just playing the odds m`kay.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    "Though to be fair, it`s usually a safe bet that any given person you talk to isn`t able to put a man on the moon haha, I was just playing the odds m`kay."

    Fair enough.

    And, truth be told, though I do agree with the end of needless suffering, I probably am one of the worst people you`ve ever met.

    I just know how to be civil about my evil nature...
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    Boadicea and Altaru

    I declare both of you the winners/losers, Right/wrong etc etc

    I still hate oatmeal
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    "I still hate oatmeal"

    Boa, I think you may have spawned a future meme, lol.

    I kinda like oatmeal. With a little cinnamon, sugar, and milk... I especially used to love the kind with the little dinosaur shapes that were made out of god knows what but tasted really great...

    I wonder if I could find that stuff anymore...

    </off topicness>
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    But I bet oatmeal loves you :)
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    I`m not a fan of oatmeal unless it`s full of a bunch of fruit or at the very least some raisins. Just plain it`s kind of got a creepy gag-inducing texture.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    The Human GI tract is nearly identical to a dog`s, and nearly opposite to a sheep`s.

    That`s teeth, throat, stomach, intestines, everything.

    We evolved as meat eaters. Anything else was purely supplemental.

    Until agriculture. Then a whole new set of problems began.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    We can all agree that plain oatmeal is gross! Goodnight IAB lol
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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    god damnit... move your foot
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    First... Anything that gets Olivia Munn naked is cool in my book.

    Second... Oatmeal is gross unless its loaded with cinnamon, sugar, strawberries or SOMETHING to cover the gross texture and epic blahness of the oatmeal itself.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    LOL @ Baelzar... Sorry dude, we are waaay of topic and all about oatmeal now.

    Yea, I like cinnamon and raisin too, but I think that heridatry heredatry, hirheadatary. Dammit... it runs in my family
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    "First... Anything that gets Olivia Munn naked is cool in my book."

    I`m just gonna throw this out there...

    WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK OLIVIA MUNN IS HOT?!

    She`s not actually the nerd girl you all fantasize about, I hope you realize that, for starters...

    And if it`s because she`s part Asian, then there are PLENTY of better looking women out there that ARE the kind of nerd girls you all fantasize about.

    Trust me, my current GF`s one of them. Not that any of you will ever see her naked... I hope...
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    PETA sucks somethin` awful, but I`d still f*ck miss Munn. Oh yes indeed.
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    maedene Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    do not like oatmeal
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    akinis Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    I don`t care if she`s a nerd or a fake nerd or whatever.

    She`s still extremely attractive.
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    peloos12 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    I don`t think she`s that great either Altaru.
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    Exsilium Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    Oh my.
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    iLoveChoo Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    This doesn`t even make sense. I thought posing naked was for fur-free clothing...their slogan is better naked than wear fur? How is the circus correlated to nakedness?

    Also if you think oatmeal is gross....try cream of wheat...YUCK
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    Altaru, too late about your girlfriend. Sorry.

    And Olivia Munn is gorgeous.
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    CmdrBittles Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    I love cream of wheat...:(
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    CmdrBittles Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    And oatmeal...:(
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    Are they calling Olivia Munn an elephant?!

    Those bastards!!!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:09 pm
    This was a dumb add!
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:34 pm
    Olivia Munn is average at best.
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    Ruffiana Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    Christ, there are a lot of dumbasses out there. Olivia Munn is not the hotest woman in the world, but she`s still hot. It`s okay for hot women to be hot without being hotter than every other woman on the planet.

    But why the drat is she naked in this ad? It makes no damn sense with the context of the ad. Maybe if she were naked wearing nothing but a clown nose or something.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:52 pm
    Baelzar: I`m going to disagree a little.

    Humans have a longer and more complex digestive system than would be expected of a carnivore our size. Our teeth are also somewhat different to what would be expected from a carnivore, with very short canines and flatter molars.

    I think it`s more accurate to say that we evolved as omnivores rather than as carnivores.

    It`s more of a spectrum than the neat discrete groups suggested by the names, though. For example, dogs and cats are both classed as carnivores, but dogs will cheerfully eat plant matter and can live without meat, whereas cats naturally eat only meat and cannot survive without meat. It`s probably possible, if you`re very careful and use lab-made special food, to force a cat to be vegetarian without killing it nastily, but even vegetarian groups explicitly advise against trying it.
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    KRAYZEEGIRL Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:52 pm
    I wanna see an ad with a bloody mulled and dismembered Jersey Shore cast member laying naked in the middle of the jungle surrounded by tigers. That would make me join :) TneTD; Tigers for the non ethical treatment of douchebags
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    KRAYZEEGIRL Female 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    As far as PeTA goes... Sorry I love meat too much especially veal. The elephants should be in the wild somewhere i suppose.
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    yitani Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:08 pm
    Who`s olivia munn?
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    Isobel Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    PETA is so cheap :/
    I find this ad insulting.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    Has PETA seen this Olivia?

    youtube.com/watch?v=Ax8kny82588

    KILL THAT SNAKE!

    Also, on her website, she ate pork at a Korean restaurant.

    Hypocrite.
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    reptilia Female 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    i love how people actually think that vegetarianism is bad for the environment, when the #1 of global warming is factory farming. the way we get our meat right now isn`t even sustainable with the water we`re using and the land degradation it causes. not to mention that industrial fishing has "come to resemble wars of extermination." look up the term by-catch. fun fact: if every American removed just one serving of meat from their diet in a week, it`d be the equivalent of taking 5 million cars off the road. there are way more reasons to be a vegetarian than just animal welfare. it`s 1000 times better for your health. did you know the poultry industry reclassified the term "feces" to "cosmetic blemish" about 30 years ago? that way, all you dratheads get to eat SH IT.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    why would i listen to peta even if they got Olivia Munn
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    I hate PETA, but I do also hate the circus. Who actually finds that stupid crap entertaining?
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:29 pm
    i`d free my elephant for her ifyouknowwhatimean...

    does that even make sense?
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    Darkpit1 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:35 pm
    So..... this is pretty erotic, i dunno if anyone else has noticed but i think that elephant is about to mount that other one. Maybe thats why Olivia Munn is NAKED! ...i would be too...

    NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM
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    jak22 Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    peta sucks. you know they killed like over thousands of animals in their shelters? and yeah, global warming is definetly caused by man. haha i dont really know were people get these facts that its not. its really simple science. but meat is tasty.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 27, 2010 at 11:46 pm
    hey jak. they changed the name. its not global warming anymore, cause they found out the globe is not warming. its climate change now.

    make sure you buy those carbon credits, or you are a bad person.
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    KRAYZEEGIRL Female 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:00 am
    To Reptilia... ummmm chill out. No one said anything about hating vegetarians. I love vegetarians, they make me look not quite as pale as i normally would. And as far as eating "feces" - yep it is in everything practically but i know one thing for sure... you don`t hear too much about people dying off from "feces related" hepatitis A after chewing on some yummy juicy chicken breasts. But I do recall some organic spinach and spring onions wreaking deathly havoc. So does that mean "organic" means "sprayed with organ juice"?
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    Wellzee Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:07 am
    what the ad is trying to say is a ransom. If you don`t boycott the circus, we`ll put Olvia Munn in a cage, still nacked and make her into a circus as well...
    Notice her knees make a shape of a heart, awwwww
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:12 am
    "WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK OLIVIA MUNN IS HOT?!"

    Because she is...

    Its not just that she`s a "nerd chick" or "part-Asian"... She`s genuinely a gorgeous woman. I don;t think they`d have placed her naked in an ad like this if she wasn`t.

    Cool for you and your gf, Altaru (and props for hooking a catch, my good fellow), but is your girl a model? Or on a show on a nerd friendly cable channel?

    Olivia Munn just happens to have a great audience behind her, and since the majority of her fan base is computer and gaming nerds, and a lot of those nerds also frequent forum sites, I`d assume she`s gonna have a lot of fans on I-A-B, 4chan, Ebaums, etc... It`s only logical.
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:19 am
    And Reptilia, no disrespect for being a vegetarian... I have nothing but respect for people who have the strength to make that their life choice... But you talk about eating $hit when last I checked, the vegetables you eat are grown using manure as a fertilizer, so you are in fact eating a by-product of aforementioned $hit... Its part of the great circle, so what difference does it make WHERE in the circle it ends up?
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    Stane Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 1:09 am
    Apparently, PETA has to show nude models in order to get the attention of people. The "suffering animals" aren`t enough.

    Maybe that says something about PETA. Haha
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    Filipino916 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 1:20 am
    Who? Who is this?
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    MTKK Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 1:29 am
    "Maybe that says something about PETA. Haha"

    Or maybe it says something about the general population.
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    feiku Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 1:35 am
    "Apparently, PETA has to show nude models in order to get the attention of people. The "suffering animals" aren`t enough.

    Maybe that says something about PETA. Haha"

    Maybe that says something about people. Imo.
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    TNoussis Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 2:22 am
    Omg, why? Why did they have to convert her! This isn`t fair!
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:07 am
    is it weird that i dont know who this is?
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:18 am
    circuses are evil. they have a point.
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    Nerdfighter0 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 4:09 am
    Meh. Doesn`t really matter.
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    stifler Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 4:35 am
    @ stane and @ feiku

    Got ME, I noticed the cirlefants right awa.. is her heal in her vagina? She has compressed toes on that foot. Is that genetic or beause her heal is in her vagina?
    What was this campain about again??
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 4:53 am
    Angilion, we can survive on vegetable matter in lean times, but our systems cannot even break down raw plant cell walls to get nutrients.

    We have to heavily process and/or cook grains and vegetables to get to the nutrients. Even then, most just passes straight through.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:02 am
    yes stifler her heel is in her vagina.
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    Lockon Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:13 am
    Most women who whore themselves out to PETA aren`t even vegans. Just hungry for attention.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:20 am
    CmdrBittles, even PLAIN oatmeal? With nothing on it?

    ewwwwww
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    MrNathann Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:35 am
    Why elephants and not horses, oxen, camels...
    Oh Oliva, I did love thee so...
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:48 am
    If she`s all about protecting animals, why is she sat on a beaver?
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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:53 am
    I always believed Olivia Munn was a whore in two different senses. After this ad, I`m thinking three.
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    krembill Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 6:05 am
    Yes, let Olivia Munn be freeee!!!
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 6:11 am
    >Handsompod
    Touche!
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 6:15 am
    Terrible photographer. Didn`t quite get the right angle. Bastard.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 6:32 am
    I do love me some Olivia Munn !
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    JimboSlice Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 6:56 am
    i think im gonna remain seated for a few more minutes.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 7:11 am
    I never really found her attractive. And using nude women doesn`t make anyone listen to their cause. It just provides jack off material to those that can`t buy porn.
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    belunan Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 7:28 am
    I`m boycotting Olivia Munn for supporting a batpoo crazy organization.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 7:56 am
    I have never been to a circus :`(
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:19 am
    I`ve always wanted to go to the circus. I think now would be a good time.
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    uhmerikin Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:24 am
    I will let this one slide, Olivia. I still love you!
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    skirjames Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:27 am
    That`s great and all but seriously do you people know what they do to elephants to train them in the circus? It`s just not right..
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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:45 am
    I love olivia munn, and i love the circus, DILEMMA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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    dracokain Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:57 am
    I`m still going to the circus and I get to see olivia munn with her heel in her vagina... bonus!
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    stonewar Female 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 9:20 am
    I kinda agree this one. Elephants are interesting to look at but they are not entertaining. zoos and safaris not circus.
    Seriously they walk in a circle, they go on hind legs, and look I have so much control of this animal I will put my head under its foot and it will not kill me. ta da. zzzzzzzzzzz
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    fknloser Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 9:28 am
    i hate PETA, however, the circus elephants is actually a real issue..... but this poster makes no sense..... and BTW i notice PETA is really into naked people, are they just a bunch of perverts or what?
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    reptilia Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 11:03 am
    How about the fact that chickens are legally allowed to absorb up to 11% of a chlorinated liquid that`s been nick-named "fecal soup?" How about the fact that "animal protein intake is linked with osteoporosis, kidney disease, calcium stones in the urinary tract, and some cancers." The American Dietetic Association released this information. They also went over some health advantages of a vegetarian diet: "lower blood cholesterol, lower risk of heart disease, lower blood pressure levels, and lower risk of hypertension and type 2 diabetes. Vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates." 25% of the annual deaths in America are because of heart disease. Another 25% because of cancer. 50% of the annual deaths in this country are related to the way that we eat. Not to mention that Swine Flu never would have happened if we treated the pigs better. The World Health Organization has a list of ten concerns about the next influenza p
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 11:12 am
    Lucky heel....
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Reptilia, life is too short to worry about that stuff. EVERYTHING causes SOME form of cancer. And most heart disease is hereditary and has very little to do with the food we eat. (This does not include fast food addicts and people who eat horribly.) We as an animal are omnivores. Our body requires nutrients that eating just vegetables doesn`t provide. I know people who were vegetarian for several years and looked like cancer patients. So yea... You`re thin. You have a low BMI. But to be healthy, you NEED to have body fat and continual intake of protein. And your Flu argument... The flu is the flu.... The name has nothing to do with where it came from... They just give each strain a different name to push the new flu shot on people. The only time I EVER got a flu shot is the only year I ever got sick with a flu.
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    wko Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 11:59 am
    dam the heel...
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    skirjames Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    If you`re trying to decide between circus & Munn go check out "elephant cruelty in circus" on youtube..any vid will do.
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    nonickforme Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    You forgot an advantage of vegetarianism, reptilia: smugness and the punch-me-hard desire to proselytize a secular agenda.

    I thought reptiles ate bugs and rats, anyway.
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    @taylor_stone

    I`ve been a vegetarian for 4 years and I don`t look like a cancer patient. In fact, I am fitter and healthier looking than all of my friends. I don`t have a particularly low BMI either...and I strive to get my protein everyday and I take vitamins. Your friends obviously failed at being vegetarians.
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    RiseAgainst3 Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    "I`ve been a vegetarian for 4 years and I don`t look like a cancer patient. In fact, I am fitter and healthier looking than all of my friends. I don`t have a particularly low BMI either...and I strive to get my protein everyday and I take vitamins. Your friends obviously failed at being vegetarians."



    Same exact thing here. I feel better than ever.
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    ThatScot Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    I guess Olivia Munn isn`t a fan of haggis?
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    MCFC89 Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Good god she is so hot!
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    XtifnerX Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    shes sexy
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    Spocom Female 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Those elephants are totally airbrushed.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    Angilion, we can survive on vegetable matter in lean times, but our systems cannot even break down raw plant cell walls to get nutrients.

    We have to heavily process and/or cook grains and vegetables to get to the nutrients. Even then, most just passes straight through.

    Humans can live healthily on raw plant matter and nothing else. Not even cooked. You`re just plain wrong about that. There are even bodybuilders who eat only a raw vegan diet.

    Humans are far more versatile in their diet than you think. Meat is an efficient source of nutrition, but it`s only *necessary* if you only have access to a limited variety of plant food.

    Incidentally, why do you think humans have evolved such a high proportion of large flattened teeth, i.e. the type associated with eating plant matter?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    Our body requires nutrients that eating just vegetables doesn`t provide.

    The nutrients you refer to are probably the amino acids that humans can`t make. Meat is a good source of all of them. No plant is...but different plants are good sources of different amino acids. If you eat an appropriate variety of plants (not just vegetables - fruits, nuts, grains, etc) you can get enough of them all.

    I know people who were vegetarian for several years and looked like cancer patients.

    Then their diet was poor. As the saying goes, they were doing it wrong.

    So yea... You`re thin. You have a low BMI. But to be healthy, you NEED to have body fat and continual intake of protein.

    All of which you can get from plant sources. You just need to have enough knowledge to "mix `n` match" different kinds.

    Try an image search for "raw food bodybuilder". They eat only raw plant food.
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    king_slayer Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    *fap* *fap* *fap*
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    "Incidentally, why do you think humans have evolved such a high proportion of large flattened teeth, i.e. the type associated with eating plant matter?"

    We still retain incisors and bicuspids for a reason. I don`t disagree with the notion that it`s *possible* to get all the same nutrients from plants, but PETA and their ilk can`t seriously expect every person to manage their diet in such a fashion.

    Just because it`s possible to eat healthily without meat does not make it a sound choice. As someone who`s lived in several countries far poorer than ours, I can say that livestock is a staple. They provide secondary products (milk, eggs) in addition to their meat. And, of course, for most Kenyans, buying vitamin pills is not an option to prop up their diets.
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    propagandi Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    PETA could say that elephants poo in the jungle and I would still not believe them.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    PETA is an organization that glosses over the facts of living in most of the world. It`s one thing to plan a vegetarian diet from your local supermarket and buy vitamin pills if you live in America or West Europe. It`s another thing entirely if you`re part of the other 80% of the world population that barely has enough food to eat at all.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    April 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    so they`re focusing on boycotting the circus instead of stopping sports like seal clubbing?

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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    "Just because it`s possible to eat healthily without meat does not make it a sound choice. As someone who`s lived in several countries far poorer than ours, I can say that livestock is a staple. They provide secondary products (milk, eggs) in addition to their meat. And, of course, for most Kenyans, buying vitamin pills is not an option to prop up their diets."

    This is my stance as well. Just because its POSSIBLE to live a healthy life on nothing but plant life, does NOT make it ideal. Truth is, vegetarianism is just way too complicated and annoying to choose it over just eating what makes you happy. Which brings up another point.

    Vegetarians/Vegans that take the militant stance of crapping all over people who choose to eat meat NEEDS TO STOP. (I`m not accusing anyone in particular, just a general statement.) Your choice is your choice and thats fine, but don`t push your ways on anyone else because that just makes you look like the ignorant douche, no matter
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    > Angilion
    > The nutrients you refer to are probably the amino acids that humans can`t make

    I imagine he/she is referring to B12, which can ONLY be obtained from meat and dairy products. It helps DNA synthesis during cell division, and a deficiency of it produces eczema, skin lesions and anemia - and guess what most Vegans we all know look like?

    Even the most serious `Veg Only` person should be at least eating eggs OR taking vitamin supplements specifically to make up for this absence.
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    April 28, 2010 at 5:41 pm
    PETA is retarded. I get it, don`t be bad to animals. But seriously, if elephants don`t want to be in the circus, all they have to do is trample everyone. Simple as pie.
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    April 28, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    lolol i love Attack of the Show.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    I am NEVER gonna eat another elephant again!
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    April 28, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    She looks like a typical slut i could find on a porn site. drat peta.
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    what the fcuk does poon have to do with freeing elephants? so PeTA wants to free animals and subjugate women? fcuk tards.
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    April 28, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    Oh no, Now i feel bad about eating O.munns
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    limphotdog Female 18-29
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    April 28, 2010 at 10:15 pm
    Typical PETA, using pussy to get attention. Most of the people who like these ads are VAGetarians, not VEGetarians. Yes, she`s hot. I still think PETA should go f*ck off, though.
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    April 28, 2010 at 10:36 pm
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    reptilia Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2010 at 1:37 am
    that has to be the most retarded, misguided thing i have ever heard. you know where the myth came from that we need meat for protein? the USDA. the same people that let the poultry industry redefine feces and chickens absorb 11% of fecal soup. USDA inspectors only have TWO SECONDS to examine each bird, checking about 25,000 a day. like they give a poo about your health. vegetarians are healthier b/c the protein we get is better for you. the ADA has acknowledged that. your an idiot on a message board, you think you know more than the ADA or the WHO? i dont normally give people crap for eating meat unless they act like tools and make up excuses. the only excuse is that you think it tastes good, so it`s worth the bad health, the bad environmental effects, and animals being tortured and genetically manufactured to suffer MORE. people say vegetarians are the sentimentalists, but its people who eat meat that value what they feel over what`s logical. factory farming is not SUSTAINABLE.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2010 at 1:47 am
    vegetarians are healthier b/c the protein we get is better for you.

    Can you answer these related questions off the top of your head:

    Which amino acids do you need to get from your diet?

    What plant sources do you get them from?

    Note the plural - no one source is anywhere near good enough. Unlike meat, which is a good source of all of them.

    Any vegetarian who doesn`t know the answers cannot make the assertion you make.

    I`ve noticed that not one of the vegetarians posting in this thread is even mentioning amino acids. Some talk about protein, but that`s only a part of the issue. You could get more than enough protein from plants and still be suffering from "protein" deficiency. It`s the amino acids in the protein that matter, because that`s what your body actually uses.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2010 at 1:51 am
    Incidentally, why do you think humans have evolved such a high proportion of large flattened teeth, i.e. the type associated with eating plant matter?

    We still retain incisors and bicuspids for a reason.

    Your reply would be relevant if I was arguing that humans are adapted to being herbivores.

    Since I`m not making that argument, your reply is avoiding the question.

    I was replying to the argument that humans are physiologically geared to being pure carnivores.

    My position is that humans are physiologically geared to being omnivores.

    Can you answer the question I posed (to Baelzar, but this is a public forum so anyone is free to have a go)?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2010 at 2:01 am
    Just because it`s possible to eat healthily without meat does not make it a sound choice.

    Why not? You acknowledge that it can be done healthily, so why do you think it isn`t a sound choice?

    As someone who`s lived in several countries far poorer than ours, I can say that livestock is a staple.

    As I said before:

    Meat is an efficient source of nutrition, but it`s only *necessary* if you only have access to a limited variety of plant food.

    If, on the other hand, you have access to a wide variety of plant food transported in from all over the place, meat doesn`t have to be a staple and isn`t needed at all.

    If you`re living as a hunter-gatherer or a small-scale farmer living solely on locally grown food (especially if you`re also poor), then you are going to need at least dairy products for a healthy diet.

    Does that apply to anyone here?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 29, 2010 at 2:17 am
    I imagine he/she is referring to B12, which can ONLY be obtained from meat and dairy products.

    B12 is ultimately obtained from bacteria. Ironically, the cleanliness of modern food production stops whatever B12 you could get from plant sources. You can get enough B12 from some organic crops fertilised with animal dung in bacteria-laden soil. Yummy.

    But yes, vegans should suppliment with a microgram or two of B12 daily.
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    April 29, 2010 at 3:24 am
    "your an idiot on a message board"

    Hey, maybe your mouthbreathing e-tard ranting would be more effective if you could actually differentiate between you`re and your, capitalize every once in a while, and occasionally hit that little thing to the left of Q.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 29, 2010 at 3:28 am
    "Why not? You acknowledge that it can be done healthily, so why do you think it isn`t a sound choice? "

    Many people in first-world countries can not or do not manage their diets well enough already. Replacing every high-nutrient meat with seven different plant products will not help matters. Even if it is possible to eat a balanced vegetarian diet, most people would fail.

    And in the majority of the rest of the world, the people do not have the luxury of variety. It`s simply not an option.
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    April 29, 2010 at 6:11 am
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    April 29, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    At least they had the decency to make us look at Olivia Munn
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    April 29, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    "Ironically, the cleanliness of modern food production stops whatever B12 you could get from plant sources."

    Wow, so eating suspicious foods outside the subway is actually good for me? Yay. XD
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    Link364 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    To me Peta is so weak that they`re using gorgous naked women to make guys joins since guys don`t normally care as much about animals as women do.

    I hope I`m not sounding sexist somehow.
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    April 30, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    And another thing...MOVE YOUR FOOT!!!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    Many people in first-world countries can not or do not manage their diets well enough already. Replacing every high-nutrient meat with seven different plant products will not help matters. Even if it is possible to eat a balanced vegetarian diet, most people would fail.

    Which is pretty much why I don`t do it.

    I was thinking on an individual basis though, not a worldwide basis. It`s a sound choice for individuals who could do it right and have the resources to do it right. I agree that it isn`t a sound choice for all people.

    Although if it became more widespread it would become easier to do in wealthy countries because there would be a big market for food products to meet the demand for vegetarian food with a suitable variety of plant-sourced amino acids and wider knowledge of what`s needed for a good vegetarian diet.
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    Lucky2u Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2010 at 1:41 am
    "I hope I`m not sounding sexist somehow."

    It was on the fence until you had to defend yourself preemptively
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    May 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    "Boycott the circus. In exchange, here is something to jerk-off to..."
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