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Date: 04/23/10 07:30 AM

55 Responses to Microsoft`s Harsh Labor Practices In China

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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2010 at 2:06 am
    Link: Microsoft`s Harsh Labor Practices In China - 16.5 hour workdays at .65 an hour? And you`re complaining about your crappy job?
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    Sigon Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 7:37 am
    compared to Apple`s practices that lead workers to commit suicide over lost phones...I`ll take the Microsoft practices
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 7:38 am
    Stop giving favored nation status to China for trade. Stop allowing Microsoft to benefit from these practices in the United States. Oh, and Chinese people, if you`re listening, STOP WORKING FOR NEXT TO NOTHING.
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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 7:58 am
    Just to clarify, these aren`t Microsoft`s practices. Rather, it`s the practices of the factory Microsoft hired to make products. You can argue all you want that it`s all Microsoft`s fault, but it really isn`t. It`s the fault of those who run the factories telling the companies that everything is fine when it really isn`t.
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    Snipermonkey Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:04 am
    @NoArms5534

    So they have the choice of working for next to nothing, or not working at all and starving to death? They don`t have many options and this is a result of the factory exploiting that fact.
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    malinschen Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Well, whatever it takes to give me a cheap computer...
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:25 am
    I like how it`s microsoft`s fault that China`s labor laws suck.
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    revdrdark Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:35 am
    ...to make an already fabulously wealthy man even richer.
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    revdrdark Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:37 am
    Is it Microsoft`s fault the labor laws in China allow this, newfag? No. But there are willingly taking advantage of that fact, and adding to those kids` suffering. Too bad fate did not place you there since you are so sympathetic.
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:41 am
    Holy squadjuddle, that`s a lot to read for a mere IAB post. However, it IS interesting.

    In other news, I actually did a presentation on how something like this (this being exploitation of the poor by big, multinational companies).
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:49 am
    Microsoft allowing something evil to happen, thats new
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 8:54 am
    @revdrdark

    Did you just call me a newfag? What are you 12?

    Why don`t you dry off your rage filled vagina, take another look at my post, and then tell me where it says I`m not sympathetic to the suffering of those people?

    I wasn`t making a comment on whether or not it was right for Microsoft to participate, I was commenting on the idiots who seem to think that if only Microsoft wasn`t such big meany weenies that all these kids would magically get rich and never have to work hard again.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:21 am
    sucks for them
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:31 am
    1) China is a communist state; you do as you`re told there, thats just the way it is. There are no trade unions, employee law and very few employee rights.
    2) Microsoft knows this is happening, if they cared about it more that they care about net profit, then they would employ western companies to make their products and take the profit hit. Business wise, this is impossible for them to do.
    3)KYE understand that labor is the most expensive production element, and so management endeavor to keep costs down by bleeding their employees dry and turning their factory into a labor camp.
    4)This is sad, but not surprising. The rich will get richer, by exploiting the poor, who will stay poor as a result. Thats the way its always been, and thats the way it will always be, unless China change their laws, and Western companies refuse to cooperate with KYE unless they change their ways, which they will have to do, or go out of business.
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    soulsender76 Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:36 am
    The American dream circa 1890s or early 1900s?
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:45 am
    That sucks
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:49 am
    It is the nature of the beast. These things are very unsettling and it is amazing we can put our heads on our pillows at night. Check out this video from Radiohead and tell me we are not part of the problemRadiohead
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    Jadavid Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 10:35 am
    all hail capitalism!
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    Postal2aw Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2010 at 10:52 am
    God dammit, that is hell!
    Compared to that prison sounds like heaven.
    The workers should burn the factories down to the ground, all those workers need to take things into their own hands, the government is against them.

    People should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of their people.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Surely no-one is surprised. When it is possible to exploit workers, it will happen. It always has. It happened in "the west" until less than 100 years ago.

    It is cheaper to make products this way, so they are made that way.

    I expect it will only stop when it becomes cheaper to use machines to make everything. Then hardly anyone anywhere will have a job.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 23, 2010 at 11:08 am
    Postal2aw:

    It`s hard to revolt when the price is death. How would you organise a revolution in a country as large as China? Remember Tiananmen Square?

    The workers go on strike...the employers replace them. Only the workers suffer.

    The workers burn the factory down...some of the workers die in the fire, the arsonists may well be caught and killed, the employers claim off insurance and build a new factory. Only the workers suffer.

    The workers somehow manage to organise, despite it being forbidden, and someone manage to distribute campaign leaflets calling for change, despite it being forbidden. They get arrested or just disappear. Only the workers suffer.

    You`d need a genuine revolution over the whole country because the current system is engrained from the top down.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    China is the suck.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    I guess I won`t be buying any microsoft mouses for some time.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    That`s wildly disgusting! What the hell!? What the hell is Microsoft doing still standing?!
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    Simcoe Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    Thank you Walmart! You created the system that drove manufacturers and companies to continuously cut-costs. Eventually these jobs moved to China where these companies can get away with these types of practices!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    China has a lower standard of living. Its not the fault of Microsoft & many other companies. The companies are driven by the market. I suppose its cheaper to hire Chinese workers than to do it all with robots.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    ... so if you want to blame anyone, blame that quasi-despotic semi-communist Chinese government.
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    Smileyguy1 Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    All to feed the North American Greed Machine.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Noone wants to know how or where it came from as long as its cheap, thats how they keep doing it!
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    odc Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    This reminds me of concentration camps in Germany- except China is doing it to it`s own people, not some other race. It`s sickening.
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    Don`t care. Keep makin` my wonderful stuff. Although come to think of it...I don`t have any hardware from Microsoft.
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    newsocksrock Female 30-39
    19 posts
    April 23, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    Microsoft is owned by Bill Gates no? Billy has final say over everything that happens no? Is Billy stupid and ignorant? NO! He knows his products are being made by child workers, he knows what`s happening. He could very well pull out of there and give the US and Canada all of those jobs...yes, it`s more expensive to keep us working but at least he`s not promoting child labour. And it`s not like he doesn`t have the money. Bill Gates is just another money hungry power junkie that could care less about anyone else but his rich self.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    So what do we do to change this?
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    seabass101dg Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    I really enjoy seeing all of the self-righteous people here on IAB who don`t understand any of the positive economic benefits for the Chinese people from this.
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    April 23, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    Arrogant self absorbed self righteous people want to take these people`s job away from them because they`re too lazy and feel too entitled to work that many hours. Blah.
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    Loganp3 Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    I think the cost of living in most parts of China is one tenth (1/10) of that in the USA so $.65 would equal a little under minimum wage. They restrict it to 16-18 year old`s, So dozens out of over a thousand just sounds like they per told to lie about their age, probably by Mom and Dad. The hours seem a little rough but you ever worked for Google?
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    tuxman4 Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    The U.S. went through a period of doing this too, do we have the right to take it away from China? China is becoming a world power and the U.S. is falling out of its position as one because the Chinese will work and the U.S. wants to live in decadence.
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    joofro Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    tl;dr
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    Nucleartoast Female 13-17
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    April 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    @ Loganp3, open ur f*cking eyes; the cost of living in china is almost the same as living in the heart of new york f*cking city. why dont you read the damn articles before making your halfassed guess at what its like.
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    Kagenbesexy Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    I think people need to realize that this is China, these workers aren`t tired or sleeping, that`s just how their eyes are normally
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    Zghost Male 13-17
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    April 23, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    Logan, have YOU ever worked for Goggle? It`s considered one of the best jobs in the world, because of the pay and the fact that anyone working for Google gets unlimited sick days. The hours aren`t "a little rough," that`s most of their day. By the way, The cost of living an average life in China is around $1000.
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    arustyglove Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    Meh I live in China this is no biggy. 1500 RMB a month is pretty normal, though I have to admit the working hours are very high. Plus if you notice this Factory is in Guangdong province which is a poor and rough province. Though the cost of living there is very very low. I`m not saying this isn`t bad but here it`s the way of life.
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    arustyglove Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    "open ur f*cking eyes; the cost of living in china is almost the same as living in the heart of new york f*cking city. "

    Are you insane? ahah that is just so off. I live in the richest city in China and the cost of living is no where near the cost of living in North America let alone NYC. The only thing that comes remotely close is the cost buying a house, but that`s only in like Shanghai or Beijing. The day to day is so much lower you can`t believe.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    April 23, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    slavery!!!
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 11:20 pm
    TLDR
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2010 at 12:03 am
    "I`m not saying this isn`t bad but here it`s the way of life."

    Well you guys deserve better. I`m shocked at how casual and day-to-day you seem to see it. Sure I never grew up in your area, but from where I am, it`s sad and disgusting that people must live like that. I feel so terrible that they are treated so inhumanely!
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2010 at 12:10 am
    Wow, to be completely honest, nothing`s bothered me this much before. I`m actually still slightly angry over it from yesterday.
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
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    April 24, 2010 at 1:06 am
    REVOLT!
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    Prejudiced Female 18-29
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    April 24, 2010 at 1:26 am
    arustyglove

    Agreed. Holidaying in China was cheap as. If you avoid all the tourist type attractions and areas anyway, they seem to cost a fair bit more. We tagged up with some friends who were local and lived off next to nothing.

    For instance, a nice top in Melb, aus, about 30 bucks, maybe more depending on where you buy. A nice top in China? Cost me about 1.50

    The sellers do try to take advantage of you if your forgin though. Higher priced for the same goods, etc, since you know no better.

    If I learnt some more Mandarin, I wouldn`t mind going back and studying their for awhile one day.
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    acknex32 Male 18-29
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    April 24, 2010 at 1:56 am
    Aww f*ck...I`ve got a Microsoft mouse.

    I wasn`t the one that bought it, though. >_>
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    mrbenn Male 30-39
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    April 24, 2010 at 2:31 am
    This is what an Industrial Revolution looks like
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 24, 2010 at 5:59 am
    "The U.S. went through a period of doing this too, do we have the right to take it away from China?"
    Never heard of "learning from mistakes"?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 24, 2010 at 6:07 am
    I was discussing this the other day.
    I bought some toys (for work) at the Dollar store, one broke, it was poorly designed & cheaply made.
    I said "Some woman in China spends 10 hours a day putting these things together, and it doesn`t even last 1 day before breaking. She got paid almost nothing so we could have cheap junk."
    Makes one think how good we have things here, eh?
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    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
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    April 26, 2010 at 1:15 am
    I got a couple lines in when I realized my trusty steed was waiting outside, as we had not yet rescued the Princess of Wisdom from the evils in the Mushroom Kingdom. So, I saddled up my horse, and I ride into the city.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    April 26, 2010 at 3:57 am
    the same goes on in the textil industry, jeans and so on, and probably in most factories.
    Next stop africa?

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