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Date: 04/30/10 12:34 PM

69 Responses to Mandatory US National ID Card: Good Idea Or Bad?

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33085 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Link: Mandatory US National ID Card: Good Idea Or Bad? - It`s those rotten right wing Democrats! Wait, what? How will the media blame Bush for this one?
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 10:55 am
    one step closer to everyone being microchipped
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
    287 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 11:19 am
    Since in the US a driver`s license already serves as a form of ID, I don`t think a new ID would be necessary.
    However, the use the ID cards are proposed for is offensive to civil liberties, to say the least.
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Wow. That they can even propose this with a straight face is incomprehensible to me. If they enact this law, I will break it every single minute of every day.
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    odc Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    This wont help in the immigration issue- there will still be people working illegally anyway, just like there are now
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    cagel Female 18-29
    275 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    What a completely stupid and dangerous idea. But they`ve been trying to do this for a while. RFID, whatever. Seems like people are always trying to tag us like run-away dogs.
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    Blood_Drip Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    This already happened in 1935. Social Security.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    I have an ID card, which is also my CAC card...the point? And I can`t get on base without...is this what we`re bitching and moaning about these days?
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    "But Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin..."

    Tee-hee-hee. This is a perfect example of how a missing comma can offer comic relief to an otherwise terrifying article.

    Senator Durbin, I dub thee Sir Whip Dick from this day forward.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    The military has been doing this for about ten years now
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    Not a national ID but national standards for state-issued driver`s licenses and nondriver picture ID cards. Right now there are only two cases where you DON`T have to show an ID: when you vote, or if you`re in the country illegally. How does that make sense?
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    "What a completely stupid and dangerous idea." Stupid I can understand but I can`t see how this could put your life at risk...

    Anyway there`s been talk of introducing this in the UK too. Yes, most people are against it here too. Personally I`m unsure but I`m leaning towards the "against" crowed.
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    Morrigann Male 18-29
    480 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Um, an ID card? anyone over the age 16 has one of those. It`s called a driver`s license. I think that adding a fingerprint database would be a great idea, and it would be easy to implement with the dmv. Besides, anyone who has been in the military, worked for a city/state office, or has applied for a government is already in the system. And it`s so super easy.
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    bram Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    My drivers liscence already has enough information about me on it. The government doesn`t need anymore.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    Tis not gonna help, lets just hope the security implications are the card are not easily forged, otherwise nothing would have changed!
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    @Pixiechick81 - LOL - you read my mind.
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    Boredered Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    I am down for a barcode tattoo O:
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    datubaman198 Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    Here I go...I`m going to say it. It`s the Mark of the Beast. If this passes, I`m going to buy some land in Siberia and hide for the next 50 years.
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    alikabul Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    You know that scene in the Matrix where people have tubes coming out of their spine? We`re slowly inching towards that...
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Wow it was nice to know you, America
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    bram Male, 18-29, Southern US 254 Posts Friday, April 30, 2010 1:34:49 PM
    My drivers liscence already has enough information about me on it. The government doesn`t need anymore.
    ________________________________-

    You do realize the government doesn`t need a card to find out about you. If they want to find out how many times you poo a day, they will.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    How is this supposed to stop illegal immigrants from working? They already have jobs without American identification anyway.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Well, as a non-American, I get fingerprinted and my mugshot taken everytime I enter the US (standard practice for ALL non-Americans now, except Canadians).

    So hey, if the US government allows itself to keep details on ME, who has f*ck all to do with the US, why shouldn`t it keep tabs on its own citizens too?
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    Bad. Less federal power; leave it to the states.

    Nothing in the Constitution requiring us to keep track of every citizen on a Federal level.
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    belunan Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    I have a driver`s license, a social security card and a passport. To suggest that more identification is the solution to our illegal immigration problem is a bs suggestion designed to make people feel like our government is actually doing something.
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    munchlets Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    lol I doubt it`ll happen, I think if they try to make it happen, that people will revolt, A revolution could happen for all we know, ya know?
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    No.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    Well republicans must be on board with this, right? I mean, this would certainly make it easier to check peoples ID`s (and I say that knowing full well that if the democrats suggest it then the republicans wont like it). How would they enforce this though? I don`t really understand the point. It seems like a waste of money and excessive to me.
    But how can republicans be saying "oh it`s like you need a permission slip from the government to work"- isn`t that what they want? That illegal immigrants can`t work?
    I`m totally confused. I think I disagree with both sides.
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    Frenzy4 Male 18-29
    65 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    I think it`s a great idea. The only request I would make would be to eliminate driver`s licenses SS cards and other forms of ID. Put it all on your national ID card. Cops can scan it and see if you have a license and track offenses. Let hospitals scan it and find your medical history so they won`t accidentally kill you. Make life easier. Yes, I know you want your privacy, but the only difference between this and a driver`s license is it being run federally vs. by the state. Who cares? Not me. Let them know numbers so the census doesn`t need to be done.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33085 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    I am down for a barcode tattoo
    ...it`s the Mark Of The Beast
    Lolz! Hahaha! Ha... oh wait, it`s true! :(
    I remember when B.Clinton suggested this, that Lead Ballon got shot down soooo fast! But apparently this idea is near & dear to Democrat hearts.
    Identification is important, but there`s a fine line between "who are you" and "show me your papers", between policing and police state.
    Anyhow, I`m so happy my suggestions are getting selected for IAB! ::does the happy cat dance:: I take back ALL those awful things I said, and will remove many of the voodoo-doll pins... soon.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    Unconstitutional. Would need a constitutional amendment to make it happen and that`ll never happen. This is exactly what`s going on in AZ and should enrage republicans and democrats alike in both instances.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    The reasons given in the article, in particular, high cost, are mostly baseless.
    Electronic readers would eventually cause ink and paper finger printing to be the more expensive medium. Hard drives are cheap and electrons are cheaper. Distributed, redundant database model similar to that of Google would make it fast. On the whole, it would decrease the cost of maintaining the information and more so if something like medical history was housed in the same db.

    It would then become one big target for hackers, all day, every day.

    I`d say that it`s not necessary for naturalized citizens. I also consider what the implications are when a person succeeds at defrauding a biometric system.
    Would the number of people that are killed for their identity, currently close to 0, increase simply because bio-samples are needed?

    "John Spartan, you have been fined 30 Credits for a violation of the Verbal Moralities Act..."
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    well this makes me scared
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    thecurt Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    I`d rather have the card than a chip in my wrist. Non-mandatory alternative to driver`s license/ss/insurance cards seems like it might work out pretty good.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    So, basically it`s an electronic driver`s license / ID of which it would be difficult to make a fake. I`d support it... but I`m in Canada. No one in their right mind would immigrate here.
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    BenTheBug Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    All of your personal information on a single card will make identity theft a hell of a lot easier...
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
    537 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    How is this unconstitutional? And why do you people keep bringing up the thing in Arizona? Why are you complaining about something that will make this a safer country...? This is NOTHING like what is going on in AZ.
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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
    385 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    "those who are willing to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of safety deserve to have neither" - thomas jefferson.
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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
    635 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Enjoy your short lived `freedom` and `liberty`, my friends.
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    Thorgrimmer Male 18-29
    180 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    "those who are willing to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of safety deserve to have neither" - thomas jefferson.

    Actually, it was Ben Franklin :)
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    SUR Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    I love big brother
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    Bad idea, its a lot easier to just sew patches on their clothes and tattoo their wrists. Which is only about one step further than this idea.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    Wasn`t it the Dems that were bitching thoughout bush`s 8 years about how everything he did was "too orwellian" and an invasion of privacy and yadda yadda?

    Just like the Republicans are whining now about every thing Obama does while the Dems took all of bush`s poo without crying "undemocratic."

    So, is this the new cool thing? Acting like a drating 12 year old when it comes to politics? I don`t like this trend.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    FYI this was proposed in Oz years ago, and overwhelmingly rejected by the people. So instead of showing your National Photo ID card every time you do anything now, you have to show your National Photo Drivers License instead, and you`re pretty much treated like a retard if you don`t have one.

    Which only goes to prove, even when Big Brother loses, he still wins.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    "Which only goes to prove, even when Big Brother loses, he still wins."

    "So, this is how democracy dies. `With thunderous applause...`"

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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    April 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    We`re just getting more and more paranoid... or is that just the government getting more and more paranoid? I don`t know, either way, someone doesn`t want their power taken away, or they have too much time on their hands and need something new to do with it.
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    dooflotchie Female 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Yes, this is a GREAT idea! It will make identity theft SO much easier! )-|
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    qwyrxian Male 30-39
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    April 30, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    Don`t most other (modern) countries have national ID cards?
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    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    Can`t wait till we get barcodes on our forehead. OH JOY!
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    razlem Male 13-17
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    April 30, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    @qwyrxian
    Yes

    The US already kind of has a system like this. Aliens have to carry a green card/passport, and it`s the norm for a citizen to carry some sort of ID.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    April 30, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    "Show me your papers!"

    WTF - is this America or the Soviet Union?
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    April 30, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    Orwellian is the perfect term to describe this.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2010 at 12:37 am
    "Show me your papers!"

    WTF - is this America or the Soviet Union?
    Welcome to your new reality, Duffy.
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    wickedsngr Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 12:48 am
    All I can think of is Idiocracy... "Why come you no have tattoo?"
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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2010 at 1:24 am
    They tried to introduce this in the UK. It really is a free country here (there`s no police anywhere anyway, you can pretty safely smoke a spliff on the street or drive at 120 mph or just walk in the country and live here if you are from Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Afghanistan, or gut blind drunk and wander the streets at night if you are 15 years old and be confident you wont get caught), so this was overwhelmingly rejected by the population. They were going to force us to have it anyway until they realised that it would cost billions and not be any more use than a drivers licence or passport (neither of which you have to carry here), even if they made us pay for our own card, so they dropped the whole idea. My guess is that the same thing will happen in the states as you have a similar rebellious and non-conformist nature in your culture and hopefully won`t accept erosion of liberty. the difference is, you have to obey your laws and have more cash for hairbrained schemes like this :o/
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    bassdee Male 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 2:43 am
    but but but I only just got my greencard a few years ago... it doesn`t expire for another 6 years!!!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 1, 2010 at 7:59 am
    davymid: It`s not `new`, It`s been a matter of fact for decades. We are numbered from birth (most of us) with a SS# and a Birth Certificate and it builds from there.
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    addler Male 13-17
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    May 1, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Surprisingly, Idiocracy is becoming less and less a movie about what the future might be like, and more and more about what some people want the future to be like... "why come you no have tattoo?" indeed.
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    This reminds me of the Futurama more so than Idiocracy since it would be based on your employment.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Korahn, i`m thinking about it.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    yeah Issa! your permanent career chip! haha i love futurama
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    entwife Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    On the one hand, it sounds like a great idea. In theory, it would be a good way to curb the hiring of illegal immigrants and it could even be tied into the medical systm as a way for you to carry all your medical info and records with you. It could be a good way to streamline many official processes.

    On the other hand, our lovely gubmint has a terrible track record when it comes to doing anything with even the smallest ounce of common sense. I predict that if this ID card becomes reality, it will get royally f*cked up somehow or another, and it`ll end up being awful in the end.
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    axeman929 Male 30-39
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    May 1, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    Self employed, bitches!!!! It would be better to give all of Mexico dual citizenship than have an national id card and allow this continued attack on the bill of rights. Barry Goldwater is rolling in his Arizona grave.
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    sbuninja Female 18-29
    168 posts
    May 1, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    Oh noes! The Republican`s Doomsday is here at last! We`re all going to lie! They told you so! RFID Brain implants next week...see you there!


    In all seriousness- if you can come up with a better plan than SIMPLY having an ID on you, which you can fit in your pocket anyway, what the hell is the problem? You think it`s so hard to get your "personal" information as it is? Please!

    (The majority of) People put more info about themselves on facebook than they realize and then claim the government is now tracking everything you do. No one will know but the government...who has access to all your crap anyway.

    Oh no....this may ACTUALLY HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. How horrible.
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    sbuninja Female 18-29
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    May 1, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    Sorry...it was "We`re all going to die" not "lie." I`m sure you knew that.

    Carry on.
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    addler Male 13-17
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    May 1, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    "SIMPLY having an ID on you, which you can fit in your pocket anyway"

    huh, well then the simple ID that you can simply put into your pocket could very well be simply taken out, to put it simply.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    May 2, 2010 at 1:04 am
    i already have to scan my fingerprint every time i go to work, so its not much of a difference...personally i`m just waiting for them to scan our retinas
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    May 2, 2010 at 11:30 am
    I never did like the gov`t. This feels like they want to put a camera in my bathroom.

    ..assuming they haven`t already...
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
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    May 3, 2010 at 10:04 am
    This is an off shoot of the Freedom Act.... it is also being promoted by the Bildaberg Grp. Thats why European Union was created. Amoung other reason`s it is basically made to help consolidate power.

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