Mandatory US National ID Card: Good Idea Or Bad?

Submitted by: 5cats 6 years ago
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card

It"s those rotten right wing Democrats! Wait, what? How will the media blame Bush for this one?
There are 69 comments:
Male 190
This is an off shoot of the Freedom Act.... it is also being promoted by the Bildaberg Grp. Thats why European Union was created. Amoung other reason`s it is basically made to help consolidate power.
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Male 1,164
I never did like the gov`t. This feels like they want to put a camera in my bathroom.

..assuming they haven`t already...
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Female 654
i already have to scan my fingerprint every time i go to work, so its not much of a difference...personally i`m just waiting for them to scan our retinas
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Male 776
"SIMPLY having an ID on you, which you can fit in your pocket anyway"

huh, well then the simple ID that you can simply put into your pocket could very well be simply taken out, to put it simply.
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Female 168
Sorry...it was "We`re all going to die" not "lie." I`m sure you knew that.

Carry on.
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Female 168
Oh noes! The Republican`s Doomsday is here at last! We`re all going to lie! They told you so! RFID Brain implants next week...see you there!


In all seriousness- if you can come up with a better plan than SIMPLY having an ID on you, which you can fit in your pocket anyway, what the hell is the problem? You think it`s so hard to get your "personal" information as it is? Please!

(The majority of) People put more info about themselves on facebook than they realize and then claim the government is now tracking everything you do. No one will know but the government...who has access to all your crap anyway.

Oh no....this may ACTUALLY HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. How horrible.
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Male 195
Self employed, bitches!!!! It would be better to give all of Mexico dual citizenship than have an national id card and allow this continued attack on the bill of rights. Barry Goldwater is rolling in his Arizona grave.
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Female 536
On the one hand, it sounds like a great idea. In theory, it would be a good way to curb the hiring of illegal immigrants and it could even be tied into the medical systm as a way for you to carry all your medical info and records with you. It could be a good way to streamline many official processes.

On the other hand, our lovely gubmint has a terrible track record when it comes to doing anything with even the smallest ounce of common sense. I predict that if this ID card becomes reality, it will get royally f*cked up somehow or another, and it`ll end up being awful in the end.
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Female 3,598
yeah Issa! your permanent career chip! haha i love futurama
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Female 3,598
Korahn, i`m thinking about it.
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Female 2,352
This reminds me of the Futurama more so than Idiocracy since it would be based on your employment.
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Male 776
Surprisingly, Idiocracy is becoming less and less a movie about what the future might be like, and more and more about what some people want the future to be like... "why come you no have tattoo?" indeed.
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Male 17,512
davymid: It`s not `new`, It`s been a matter of fact for decades. We are numbered from birth (most of us) with a SS# and a Birth Certificate and it builds from there.
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Male 70
but but but I only just got my greencard a few years ago... it doesn`t expire for another 6 years!!!!
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Male 500
They tried to introduce this in the UK. It really is a free country here (there`s no police anywhere anyway, you can pretty safely smoke a spliff on the street or drive at 120 mph or just walk in the country and live here if you are from Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Afghanistan, or gut blind drunk and wander the streets at night if you are 15 years old and be confident you wont get caught), so this was overwhelmingly rejected by the population. They were going to force us to have it anyway until they realised that it would cost billions and not be any more use than a drivers licence or passport (neither of which you have to carry here), even if they made us pay for our own card, so they dropped the whole idea. My guess is that the same thing will happen in the states as you have a similar rebellious and non-conformist nature in your culture and hopefully won`t accept erosion of liberty. the difference is, you have to obey your laws and have more cash for hairbrained schemes like this :o/
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Female 457
All I can think of is Idiocracy... "Why come you no have tattoo?"
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Male 12,138
[quote]"Show me your papers!"

WTF - is this America or the Soviet Union?[/quote]
Welcome to your new reality, Duffy.
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Female 1,441
Orwellian is the perfect term to describe this.
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Male 5,194
"Show me your papers!"

WTF - is this America or the Soviet Union?
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Male 533
@qwyrxian
Yes

The US already kind of has a system like this. Aliens have to carry a green card/passport, and it`s the norm for a citizen to carry some sort of ID.
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Male 773
Can`t wait till we get barcodes on our forehead. OH JOY!
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Male 73
Don`t most other (modern) countries have national ID cards?
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Female 336
Yes, this is a GREAT idea! It will make identity theft SO much easier! )-|
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Male 675
We`re just getting more and more paranoid... or is that just the government getting more and more paranoid? I don`t know, either way, someone doesn`t want their power taken away, or they have too much time on their hands and need something new to do with it.
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Male 5,608
"Which only goes to prove, even when Big Brother loses, he still wins."

"So, this is how democracy dies. `With thunderous applause...`"

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Male 8,302
FYI this was proposed in Oz years ago, and overwhelmingly rejected by the people. So instead of showing your National Photo ID card every time you do anything now, you have to show your National Photo Drivers License instead, and you`re pretty much treated like a retard if you don`t have one.

Which only goes to prove, even when Big Brother loses, he still wins.
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Male 3,255
Wasn`t it the Dems that were bitching thoughout bush`s 8 years about how everything he did was "too orwellian" and an invasion of privacy and yadda yadda?

Just like the Republicans are whining now about every thing Obama does while the Dems took all of bush`s poo without crying "undemocratic."

So, is this the new cool thing? Acting like a drating 12 year old when it comes to politics? I don`t like this trend.
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Male 8,302
Bad idea, its a lot easier to just sew patches on their clothes and tattoo their wrists. Which is only about one step further than this idea.
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Male 9
I love big brother
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Male 180
"those who are willing to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of safety deserve to have neither" - thomas jefferson.

Actually, it was Ben Franklin :)
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Female 635
Enjoy your short lived `freedom` and `liberty`, my friends.
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Male 384
"those who are willing to sacrifice freedoms for the sake of safety deserve to have neither" - thomas jefferson.
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Male 537
How is this unconstitutional? And why do you people keep bringing up the thing in Arizona? Why are you complaining about something that will make this a safer country...? This is NOTHING like what is going on in AZ.
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Male 1,195
All of your personal information on a single card will make identity theft a hell of a lot easier...
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Male 1,418
So, basically it`s an electronic driver`s license / ID of which it would be difficult to make a fake. I`d support it... but I`m in Canada. No one in their right mind would immigrate here.
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Male 411
I`d rather have the card than a chip in my wrist. Non-mandatory alternative to driver`s license/ss/insurance cards seems like it might work out pretty good.
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Male 698
well this makes me scared
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Male 5,608
The reasons given in the article, in particular, high cost, are mostly baseless.
Electronic readers would eventually cause ink and paper finger printing to be the more expensive medium. Hard drives are cheap and electrons are cheaper. Distributed, redundant database model similar to that of Google would make it fast. On the whole, it would decrease the cost of maintaining the information and more so if something like medical history was housed in the same db.

It would then become one big target for hackers, all day, every day.

I`d say that it`s not necessary for naturalized citizens. I also consider what the implications are when a person succeeds at defrauding a biometric system.
Would the number of people that are killed for their identity, currently close to 0, increase simply because bio-samples are needed?

"John Spartan, you have been fined 30 Credits for a violation of the Verbal Moralities Act..."
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Male 7,378
Unconstitutional. Would need a constitutional amendment to make it happen and that`ll never happen. This is exactly what`s going on in AZ and should enrage republicans and democrats alike in both instances.
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Male 36,542
[quote]I am down for a barcode tattoo
...it`s the Mark Of The Beast[/quote]
Lolz! Hahaha! Ha... oh wait, it`s true! :(
I remember when B.Clinton suggested this, that Lead Ballon got shot down soooo fast! But apparently this idea is near & dear to Democrat hearts.
Identification is important, but there`s a fine line between "who are you" and "show me your papers", between policing and police state.
Anyhow, I`m so happy my suggestions are getting selected for IAB! ::does the happy cat dance:: I take back ALL those awful things I said, and will remove many of the voodoo-doll pins... soon.
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Male 65
I think it`s a great idea. The only request I would make would be to eliminate driver`s licenses SS cards and other forms of ID. Put it all on your national ID card. Cops can scan it and see if you have a license and track offenses. Let hospitals scan it and find your medical history so they won`t accidentally kill you. Make life easier. Yes, I know you want your privacy, but the only difference between this and a driver`s license is it being run federally vs. by the state. Who cares? Not me. Let them know numbers so the census doesn`t need to be done.
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Female 1,963
Well republicans must be on board with this, right? I mean, this would certainly make it easier to check peoples ID`s (and I say that knowing full well that if the democrats suggest it then the republicans wont like it). How would they enforce this though? I don`t really understand the point. It seems like a waste of money and excessive to me.
But how can republicans be saying "oh it`s like you need a permission slip from the government to work"- isn`t that what they want? That illegal immigrants can`t work?
I`m totally confused. I think I disagree with both sides.
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Male 1,195
No.
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Male 13
lol I doubt it`ll happen, I think if they try to make it happen, that people will revolt, A revolution could happen for all we know, ya know?
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Male 1,505
I have a driver`s license, a social security card and a passport. To suggest that more identification is the solution to our illegal immigration problem is a bs suggestion designed to make people feel like our government is actually doing something.
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Male 1,399
Bad. Less federal power; leave it to the states.

Nothing in the Constitution requiring us to keep track of every citizen on a Federal level.
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Male 12,138
Well, as a non-American, I get fingerprinted and my mugshot taken everytime I enter the US (standard practice for ALL non-Americans now, except Canadians).

So hey, if the US government allows itself to keep details on ME, who has f*ck all to do with the US, why shouldn`t it keep tabs on its own citizens too?
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Female 3,574
How is this supposed to stop illegal immigrants from working? They already have jobs without American identification anyway.
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Female 3,727
bram Male, 18-29, Southern US 254 Posts Friday, April 30, 2010 1:34:49 PM
My drivers liscence already has enough information about me on it. The government doesn`t need anymore.
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You do realize the government doesn`t need a card to find out about you. If they want to find out how many times you poo a day, they will.
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Male 15,510
Wow it was nice to know you, America
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Male 695
You know that scene in the Matrix where people have tubes coming out of their spine? We`re slowly inching towards that...
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Male 79
Here I go...I`m going to say it. It`s the Mark of the Beast. If this passes, I`m going to buy some land in Siberia and hide for the next 50 years.
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Male 2,506
I am down for a barcode tattoo O:
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Female 4,039
@Pixiechick81 - LOL - you read my mind.
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Male 25,416
Tis not gonna help, lets just hope the security implications are the card are not easily forged, otherwise nothing would have changed!
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Male 577
My drivers liscence already has enough information about me on it. The government doesn`t need anymore.
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Male 480
Um, an ID card? anyone over the age 16 has one of those. It`s called a driver`s license. I think that adding a fingerprint database would be a great idea, and it would be easy to implement with the dmv. Besides, anyone who has been in the military, worked for a city/state office, or has applied for a government is already in the system. And it`s so super easy.
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Male 4,680
"What a completely stupid and dangerous idea." Stupid I can understand but I can`t see how this could put your life at risk...

Anyway there`s been talk of introducing this in the UK too. Yes, most people are against it here too. Personally I`m unsure but I`m leaning towards the "against" crowed.
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Male 15,832
Not a national ID but national standards for state-issued driver`s licenses and nondriver picture ID cards. Right now there are only two cases where you DON`T have to show an ID: when you vote, or if you`re in the country illegally. How does that make sense?
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Male 2,796
The military has been doing this for about ten years now
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Male 2,549
"But Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin..."

Tee-hee-hee. This is a perfect example of how a missing comma can offer comic relief to an otherwise terrifying article.

Senator Durbin, I dub thee Sir Whip Dick from this day forward.
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Female 3,727
I have an ID card, which is also my CAC card...the point? And I can`t get on base without...is this what we`re bitching and moaning about these days?
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Male 26
This already happened in 1935. Social Security.
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Female 275
What a completely stupid and dangerous idea. But they`ve been trying to do this for a while. RFID, whatever. Seems like people are always trying to tag us like run-away dogs.
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Female 318
This wont help in the immigration issue- there will still be people working illegally anyway, just like there are now
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Male 1,106
Wow. That they can even propose this with a straight face is incomprehensible to me. If they enact this law, I will break it every single minute of every day.
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Male 290
Since in the US a driver`s license already serves as a form of ID, I don`t think a new ID would be necessary.
However, the use the ID cards are proposed for is offensive to civil liberties, to say the least.
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Female 838
one step closer to everyone being microchipped
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Male 36,542
Link: Mandatory US National ID Card: Good Idea Or Bad? [Rate Link] - It`s those rotten right wing Democrats! Wait, what? How will the media blame Bush for this one?
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