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    fancylad Male 30-39
    18499 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 5:23 am
    Link: Just Another Typical Redneck Pick-Up Truck - The scary thing is, there are thousands of people like this guy...
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:06 am
    ugh and...i`m a first?
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:07 am
    am i first* sorry so sleepy... lol
  4. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:17 am
    thats just ignorance at its best. though you could have just been able to tell that by the confederate flag in his window.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:31 am
    Everything I need to know about Christianity I learned in 1478
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:33 am
    Unlike most redneck stuff, this one has a grain of truth.
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    Nlupu Male 18-29
    229 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:34 am
    This makes me sick. Really thats all you care about? Your going to punish an entire race of people just because of what a few dozen did? Fcuk`n moron...
  8. Profile photo of Pandabee
    Pandabee Female 40-49
    857 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:42 am
    When I was in Dubai and everyone was being called to prayer at 5am, I was not best pleased. But, I understand the peace, the contemplation and trying to behave better than you want to, sometimes. Just like my Catholic roots. I think this religion, like many religions, was meant to be something beautiful...then people got hold of it. Maybe, we just have to work life out for ourselves.
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    JimboSlice Male 18-29
    149 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:45 am
    dumb people are dumb
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9183 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:46 am
    Once a redneck, always a redneck.
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    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:47 am
    Rick_S
    Male, 40-49, Eastern US
    1176 Posts Monday, April 19, 2010 6:31:27 AM
    Everything I need to know about Christianity I learned in 1478

    Ok.....?????????? Where did it mention he was a Christian? Maybe he`s an Agnostic? Maybe he`s something else... idiot.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:51 am
    blk, ive never met an agnostic redneck.
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    tylertooo Male 40-49
    240 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:53 am
    LOL.

    Illegally parked in a handicap spot, check.
    Hillbilly flag in rear window, check.
    Idiotic tailgate sticker, check.

    It`s the holy trinity!
  14. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:56 am
    "Ok.....?????????? Where did it mention he was a Christian? Maybe he`s an Agnostic? Maybe he`s something else... idiot."

    Where did I say he was a Christian? I never did. I just pointed out that Islam is not the only religion with a violent streak.
  15. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:59 am
    "LOL.

    Illegally parked in a handicap spot, check.
    Hillbilly flag in rear window, check.
    Idiotic tailgate sticker, check.

    It`s the holy trinity!"

    Not that I`m defending this person in any way, but in Virginia they have handicap placards, which hang from the rear view mirror. Since we can`t see it, we don`t know for sure the person is illegally parked.
  16. Profile photo of NitroJunkie
    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
    758 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:05 am
    Simple fix- a quart of DOT 3 brake fluid.
  17. Profile photo of Tay-Dor
    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
    265 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:07 am
    Somehow I don`t think you can equally compare islamic terrorists with christian ones. You can`t count the crusades since it was both sides going at it.
  18. Profile photo of korahn
    korahn Male 30-39
    1249 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:07 am
    that truck is just begging for a good keying
  19. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:08 am
    *headdesk*
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    keith2 Male 18-29
    2587 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:10 am
    how do U know he`s not handicapped?
  21. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:11 am
    "You can`t count the crusades since it was both sides going at it."

    My link was to the Spanish Inquisition. That was a one sided, government backed affair aimed at getting rid of everyone who wasn`t a Catholic/Christian.
  22. Profile photo of JonathanFTW
    JonathanFTW Male 18-29
    48 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:16 am
    Hah! Amusing
  23. Profile photo of Max_Normal
    Max_Normal Male 30-39
    501 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:24 am
    How do you know he`s not a born again muslim?
  24. Profile photo of ferrari91169
    ferrari91169 Male 18-29
    208 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:25 am
    ""LOL.

    Illegally parked in a handicap spot, check.
    Hillbilly flag in rear window, check.
    Idiotic tailgate sticker, check.

    It`s the holy trinity!"

    Not that I`m defending this person in any way, but in Virginia they have handicap placards, which hang from the rear view mirror. Since we can`t see it, we don`t know for sure the person is illegally parked."


    Not that I`m defending him either, but I agree with what Rick said, and not to mention that isn`t a bumper sticker...for one, it`s not a sticker...and it`s also not on the bumper...more like a tailgate mural, if you will.

    But yeah, this is ridiculous. Silly racist redneck...
  25. Profile photo of blk954
    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:30 am
    All I can say is thank GOD "radical" Christians are not like "radical muslims" because most people commenting on this picture would be dead or soon be dead.....
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    whipsmart Female 18-29
    666 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:35 am
    ROFL. The Ford logo is the icing on the cake.
  27. Profile photo of VascoV
    VascoV Male 30-39
    56 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:36 am
    Everything I ever need to know about Virginia rednecks I learned from this truck
  28. Profile photo of Dr_Sexy
    Dr_Sexy Male 30-39
    1597 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:37 am
    how do people live with their blunt ignorance all their lives? it`s stunning.
  29. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:38 am
    "Everything I ever need to know about Virginia rednecks I learned from this truck"

    Much better than my comeback. Wish I had thought of that!
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    ohplease Male 50-59
    567 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:54 am
    "Everything I need to know about Christianity I learned in 1478" no one expected that!
  31. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
    1548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:58 am
    @blk954
    Did you hear about that Christian militia group? radical Christians are becoming more and more like their Muslim counterparts
  32. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:08 am
    its still funny to me that sister religions such as the christians, muslims, and jews hate each other so much.
  33. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:09 am
    blk954, not all Muslims are "radical". Also, you`re kidding yourself if you do not think "radical" Christians exist.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:09 am
    Hope this idiot got towed for parking in a handicapped parking zone.
  35. Profile photo of Arch2004
    Arch2004 Male 18-29
    19 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:12 am
    Not all Virginians feel that way.

    By the way, He`s about due for car state registration, otherwise, I`ll report his crazy redneck ass.
  36. Profile photo of rakoonhat
    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:17 am
    he probaby has a handicap stick brimstone, you dont know that he doesnt.
  37. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:22 am
    This is the epitome of ignorance.
  38. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Rick S - Islam extremists are STILL in 1478 - the rest of us have grown up quite a bit in the past centuries... Nlupu - Islam is a religion, NOT a race (moron)
  39. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
    4812 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:25 am
    He`s parked in the mentally handicapped zone.
  40. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:30 am
    There are some Islams who feel the same about Christians as this guy feels about them.
    And that is the heart of the problem.
  41. Profile photo of Olk
    Olk Male 18-29
    91 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:32 am
    this is photoshoped, there is another one (the same picture) that says everything i need to know about america i learned on 4/19/95
  42. Profile photo of Olk
    Olk Male 18-29
    91 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:32 am
    link
    http://i.imgur.com/pGEvW.jpg
  43. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:34 am
    dax2009, I have never met a Muslim who was anything but nice. The vast majority of PEOPLE--not just Christians or Muslims or Jews--have grown up since 1478. As Volsunga points out, there are Christian extremists today. My point was that you can`t pick one event, and say that an entire religion is evil because of the actions of a subset of that religion. You can`t say Islam is bad because of 9/11, and you can`t say Christianity is evil because of the Inquisition.

    Oh, and ohplease, thanks for the laugh!
  44. Profile photo of Adi_Noor
    Adi_Noor Male 18-29
    191 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:36 am
    Not all muslims are terrorists nor all terrorists are muslim. Muhammad (S.A.W) said, if someone kills one human, he killed all humanity. Even if a muslim is doing Jihad, Islam restricts many things like,
    Killing of Women, Children and Old peoples,
    Killing of animals or destroying crops,
    Fighting with those who are not soldiers or in fight.
    So next time someone blows himself in between civilains, don`t consider him as Muslim because that is not allowed by Islam. Consider him as a terrorist!

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    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:37 am
    a1butcher
    Male, 40-49, Canada
    2448 Posts Monday, April 19, 2010 8:25:33 AM
    He`s parked in the mentally handicapped zone.

    I`m sorry....did he take your spot? Fu**ing Canadian...
  46. Profile photo of blk954
    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:40 am
    Monday, April 19, 2010 8:09:35 AM
    blk954, not all Muslims are "radical". Also, you`re kidding yourself if you do not think "radical" Christians exist.

    Ummmm....hey stupid..read what I wrote instead of spewing your knee-jerk sh** out of your keyboard. I never said radical christianity didn`t exist.
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    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:43 am
    Monday, April 19, 2010 7:58:37 AM
    @blk954
    Did you hear about that Christian militia group? radical Christians are becoming more and more like their Muslim counterparts

    Well...do you know Newton`s Third Law"?. Probably not....so look it up.
  48. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:55 am
    @blk954
    What the drat is your problem? Chill out instead of spewing your poo all over the drating internet. Newton`s third law? To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction? What the drat does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that radical muslim extremists arose as a reaction to Christian brutality in the past 2000 years?

    I don`t know poo about you but judging from your general stance on this one picture I imagine you`re a slow redneck who hates everything that isn`t guns or America and you`re embarassing the rest of your country.
  49. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:59 am
    olk, yours is obviously shopped, this one on the otherhand looks real.
  50. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3575 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:03 am
    @blk954

    lol
  51. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:07 am
    blk, you are an idiot, this has nothing to do with newtons third law. newtons third law is a principle based on the movement of physical objects and has nothing to do with the mental state or freewill actions of people.
  52. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:08 am
    oh, and who cares what the guy in this truck thinks anyway? hes representing a country that doesnt exist.
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    paddyt07 Male 18-29
    1067 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:09 am
    High 5 @Hemtroll
  54. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4683 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:10 am
    @blk954- Is this you?
  55. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:14 am
    Some people learned all they needed to know about Christians from the pederasts
  56. Profile photo of router52000
    router52000 Male 18-29
    613 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:19 am
    IF I EVER SAW A PERSON WITH A VIRGINA PLATE AND THAT PICTURE I WOULD PROBABLY KILL HIM... (I am outraged.)
  57. Profile photo of bigfatdynamo
    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
    259 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Being a red-neck, I do not think this is typical of red-necks. The title of this picture is ironic, in a sense, because you`re attempting to say "don`t base your judgements of other people on stereotypes" while doing just that. How daft.
  58. Profile photo of revdrdark
    revdrdark Male 40-49
    691 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:30 am
    Hundreds of thousands, or even millions. And you have dangerous personality cults forming around Sarah Palin and others like her, who are playing on white working class fear and resentment, stoking violence and ignorance. Like, let`s see...Hitler. See how well it works?
  59. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:31 am
    Oh good god- surely that is illegal ?
  60. Profile photo of kimkio
    kimkio Female 18-29
    878 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:40 am
    "i learned everything about the people of usa when they started killing babies in iraq" can be said with the same kind of logic too
  61. Profile photo of Degopimp
    Degopimp Male 18-29
    18 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:42 am
    the best part is the fact he is in a handicapped spot. perfect for a redneck
  62. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:42 am
    "Oh good god- surely that is illegal ?"

    No, we have freedom of speech here.

    But, thousands? Its called the South.
  63. Profile photo of blk954
    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:55 am
    madduck
    Female, 40-49, Europe
    394 Posts Monday, April 19, 2010 9:31:40 AM
    Oh good god- surely that is illegal ?

    Yep...in your freedom deprived country. It sure as hell is!
  64. Profile photo of blk954
    blk954 Male 30-39
    182 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:57 am
    kimkio
    Female, 18-29, Europe
    444 Posts Monday, April 19, 2010 9:40:08 AM
    "i learned everything about the people of usa when they started killing babies in iraq" can be said with the same kind of logic too

    Prove it. I don`t want photoshop propoganda pics from socialist scum like you....I want REAL pictures that can be validated from a reliable source. - By the way - I think we lost MANY MANY MANY lives saving your euro-trash relatives from defeat in WWII and WWI. So...fu** off.
  65. Profile photo of mcfudge
    mcfudge Male 18-29
    537 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:08 am
    Wow... did everyone that commented about the stupid redneck parking in a handicap stop notice the HANDICAP license plate? You guys are probably talking trash about a 90 year old vet.
  66. Profile photo of kairobert
    kairobert Male 18-29
    1626 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:08 am
    "Prove it. I don`t want photoshop propoganda pics from socialist scum like you....I want REAL pictures that can be validated from a reliable source. - By the way - I think we lost MANY MANY MANY lives saving your euro-trash relatives from defeat in WWII and WWI. So...fu** off."

    The Russian pseudo-communists lost many more lives fighting the Nazis than USA did, so I see fault in your insult.
  67. Profile photo of Shnard-dog
    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
    229 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:09 am
    "IF I EVER SAW A PERSON WITH A VIRGINA PLATE AND THAT PICTURE I WOULD PROBABLY KILL HIM... (I am outraged.)"

    Well, I hope you wouldn`t actually kill them, but I`m glad to hear you`re outraged. I`m guessing you`re from Virginia given your post, which certainly had it`s own news worthy of outrage this past week. Apparently the great governer of Virginia decided to re-implement Confederate History Month -- Before anyone starts defending this as being about pride and not racism, read this article by Tim Wise: http://discriminationdaily.com/?p=143
  68. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:09 am
    "Prove it. I don`t want photoshop propoganda pics from socialist scum like you....I want REAL pictures that can be validated from a reliable source. - By the way - I think we lost MANY MANY MANY lives saving your euro-trash relatives from defeat in WWII and WWI. So...fu** off."

    You ask her to prove it but then you don`t want information from her? Who`s going to prove it then? Also, when are you going to thank the French for "saving you" from the British? Get some drating manners and read a history book Sherlock.
  69. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:10 am
    "The title of this picture is ironic, in a sense, because you`re attempting to say "don`t base your judgements of other people on stereotypes" while doing just that. How daft."

    Or, a good attempt at humor. (One, btw, that I missed.)
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3275 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:14 am
    Given the number of posts he has here, and the nature of his posts in this thread, I hereby officially dub blk954 as a Troll, and sentence him to be ignored by everyone (well, me, at least).
  71. Profile photo of kimkio
    kimkio Female 18-29
    878 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:21 am
    @blk: honey i`m sorry if you have lost a loved one on that day.
    but you musn`t blame an entire nation for that. it`s bad. you`ll understand what i`m saying when you grow up
  72. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:23 am
    Freedom of speech is fine- how about incitement to riot, defamation of something , public indecency??? I don`t know- but that is unpleasant. Oh- BTW- I am proud to be a socialist.
    (bows and retreats)
  73. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:24 am
    kairobert, the thing is though, that russia was defending themselves as well from the nazis. We didnt have to go to europe, we could have taken care of our problem (japan) and stayed out of the rest. at least until hitler conquered the rest of europe and tried to make his way across the pond. although, with his planning russia still would have taken care of things, just long after a lot more european soldiers were killed that is.
  74. Profile photo of vodooshaman
    vodooshaman Male 70 & Over
    450 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:40 am
    i find the term "redneck" offensive this is clearly a hillbilly my great grand father fought hard to be a "redneck" because being a "redneck" meant you were a union coal miner when they where illegal and they wore red bandanas thus the term redneck
  75. Profile photo of littlepete50
    littlepete50 Male 18-29
    1359 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:51 am
    what a wanker
  76. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3299 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:55 am
    Its obvious that the reason why he is parked on the handicap is because of a mental illness. Some may call it stupidity
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3299 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:58 am
    "i learned everything about the people of usa when they started killing babies in iraq" can be said with the same kind of logic too"
    touche`, you cant define a country by the actions of some radicals
  78. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:11 am
    this guy hasn`t learned anything since the third grade.
  79. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:18 am
    @kairobert

    Hate to be a stickler but the Nazis didn`t exsist in WWI.
  80. Profile photo of DinoVelvet
    DinoVelvet Male 18-29
    28 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:24 am
    "You can`t define a country by the actions of some radicals" Where does it say in the picture what country Islam has to do with. The statement is bashing Islam period.
  81. Profile photo of sereniee
    sereniee Female 18-29
    205 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:31 am
    emm... but thats not what islam is about dude.. those were crazy fanatics..
  82. Profile photo of dudeman1st
    dudeman1st Male 30-39
    1355 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:37 am
    Am I the only one who likes it? Cuz I totally want that truck.
  83. Profile photo of Farsidedown
    Farsidedown Male 18-29
    421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:46 am
    AMERICA. F*ck yeah!
  84. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:51 am
    @vodooshaman
    I did not know that but now I`ll remember it. I always assumed rednecks and hillbillies were the same thing.
  85. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9311 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:56 am
    -headdesk-

    Oh no...not this crap again...don`t start...puh-leeeeeze don`t start...*looks at comments*

    F*CK!
  86. Profile photo of mattriesel
    mattriesel Male 18-29
    134 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    Everything I needed to know about Flame Wars I learned on I-A-B.
  87. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    "Unlike most redneck stuff, this one has a grain of truth."

    Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism. The USSR wins. 62 million.

    Per person, it wins even more. Your grain has a whole rice field beside it you seem to have missed.

    Now, before Overmann tries to kill me (again), am I saying that`s a practical statement, useful for understanding the situation? No. I am not.

    I am saying that your argument (posted originally by lazy) is poo, and useful only for big dick competitions. In this particular case, my dick is 20`600 times bigger than yours.
  88. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
    776 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Baalthazaq-I disagree on your athiest comment. No one kills because of a lack of faith, it was politically motivated in the case of the USSR.
  89. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism.

    Ok, I`m raising the BS flag on that one. Name one war that was fought in the name of atheism. Name an incident in which thousands were killed because they did not share atheistic beliefs.
  90. Profile photo of mattriesel
    mattriesel Male 18-29
    134 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    "Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism..."

    Haha, I love that you had to check your stats and repost!
  91. Profile photo of K3vin
    K3vin Male 18-29
    487 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    this truck owner = real world troll
  92. Profile photo of sleepyjoey
    sleepyjoey Male 18-29
    122 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Amerrricaaa F*ck YEA!
  93. Profile photo of mattriesel
    mattriesel Male 18-29
    134 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    "Name one war that was fought in the name of atheism..."

    While I hate to defend Baalthazaq on his rants I have to mention the IRA and the anarchist movement as a conflict driven by atheism. and that damn punk rock music.
  94. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Really Baal??? And your address would be----}-)
  95. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    thats a pretty big dick baalthazaq, but i think i have you beat.
  96. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    I`m glad it humored you, however, you`ll notice that my repost, after I double checked my figures are still pretty good.

    Counting religious motivations for atrocities vs simply the perpetrators then you relegate 9/11 into political (Stated demands and reasoning: Get troops out of Saudi, stop supporting Israel).

    If you`re talking about how the variant of that particular group that committed the atrocities also happens to be extremely antagonistic towards people of a certain faith that could then motivate the atrocities, the USSR still stands, killing at a minimum 800`000 purely for religious reasons.

    (Part of the USSR ideology included that religion was bad. If you want to argue specific ideologies, make it Wahabism).
  97. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    matt, the IRA wasnt driven by atheism, it was driven by anti-imperialism. In the beginning they had the right idea; fight the british to gain their country back, but lost their way, started killing civilians, and became terrorists.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    Basically, if you want to pick a metric, there are very few on which you can reliably say the USSR doesn`t count.

    For anyone interested, there`s a book called "Who speaks for Islam" that does a pretty good job of capturing what Islam is like from the inside.

    Including one particular stat, of those who think 9/11 was justified (already a small %), over 90% say it is because of political, not religious reasons.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    IRA was political, the protestant catholic divide was an overlay! Plus, not all Catholics or Protestants were terrorists, in fact, virtually none of them were- given the size of the Catholic church over the world. Which of course leads to the fact that most followers of Islam are not terrorists, but some terrorists are islamic.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    baalthazaq, im actually going to have to agree with you, at least from my experience. im from detroit and have spent a lot of time in dearborn and hamtramck (the 2 largest concentrations of muslims outside of the middle-east) and they are all great people who love the US, and are just as horrified by the terrorism done in the name of Islam.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7423 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    just like some muslims are terrorist, some christians are terrorists. timothy mcveigh for example was irish catholic. he didnt however blow up a builing for his religion, he did it for political reasons...oh wait, thats exactly what the heads of muslim terrorist groups do. of course they dont do it themselves, they twist their religion to have dumber people do it for them.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    P.S- Baal- I`ll be in the Coach and Horses at 9 tommorow, wearing an expectant grin!!
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    xxxveganxxx Male 13-17
    383 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    *clears thought* I`m gonna have to interrupt this conversation just to say.. HOLY SHYT! I think I`ve seen that car before :P
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    776 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Wow Madduck-you are in heat eh??
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    davidstone Male 18-29
    92 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    No, 9/11 was inside job. You know, they used those termite bombs I know nothing about, and all that physics and stuff, you know..
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    you might want to run form the guy who owns the cars
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    abby0315 Female 30-39
    1216 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    I don`t care what religion one is or what one believes in, but when it`s used as an excuse to start ANYTHING, then it`s unacceptable and downright irresponsible. Men, women, and children from ALL nations were murdered on September 11, 2001. Just remember this fact.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    I CAN STAND BY THIS GUY!!!!!!
    MUSLIMS SUCK!!!!!!
    (kidding)
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    adam432823 Male 30-39
    262 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    Everything I need to know about Virginia I learned from this truck.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Madduck:
    Unfortunately IAB policy dictates I cannot disclose to much personal information. :P

    Everyone else:
    Just a second clarification, if you`re arguing with me because my *argument* is bad, kudos, but as I said, it isn`t supposed to indicate a true philosophical statement.

    If you are arguing Lazy`s argument is actually good, please see my previous statements.

    If you`re arguing the analogy I posted doesn`t hold, I would like to also submit that Al-Qaeda broke almost every rule of war we have. I don`t see how no statements with regard to any act trumps outright forbidding of the same acts.

    As such, I`d argue when you make a special case for the USSR, you`re neglecting this.
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    RaabDiabolus Male 18-29
    58 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    @bigbangbilly
    I wouldn`t run from any man who probably can`t find his penis.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Someone actually paid to have that put on his truck. WTF. That`s dumb. They should have contacted BBC`s topgear, they`d have painted some inane borrocks like that for free.
  113. Profile photo of Fwoggie2
    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
    1803 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    And I can`t believe it had a Virginia number plate. I thought the NE seaboard was full of intelligent lot and it was only the deep south that was stupid.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    @Nido

    lol. I feel sorry for you guys, honestly.
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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    April 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm
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    wereallboned Male 18-29
    256 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    Fwoggie people from Virginia and Maryland may not seem southern geographically, but theyre part of that culture depending on where u go in the state
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
    683 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Haha... so, this mofo is handicapped...
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    radishboy Male 18-29
    46 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Monday, April 19, 2010 9:19:06 AM
    "IF I EVER SAW A PERSON WITH A VIRGINA PLATE AND THAT PICTURE I WOULD PROBABLY KILL HIM... (I am outraged.)"

    sure, this guy`s an ignorant prick, but at least he isn`t willing to take a another human being`s life over a "bumper sticker."

    yes, you are obviously a much kinder, more tolerant, and overall superior human being. B-|

    besides, 9/11 was an inside job anyways, you can tell from the pixels... ;-)
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25406 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    yay for photoshop!!!
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
    547 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    Laugh all you want, scream "SHOPPED" from the top of your lungs if it makes you happy, but there ARE scumbags like this out there.
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    Lobotomy Male 13-17
    495 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Everything I ever needed to know about Virgina I learned from this truck.
  122. Profile photo of NOFX14
    NOFX14 Male 18-29
    1141 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Wait, southern people are stereotypically ignorant and stupid?...bahahahahaha
  123. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    You know what, Japan asked for and got forgiveness for Pearl Harbor. America did the same for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I have not heard one peep from an Arab or Persian nation asking for forgiveness for 9/11. In fact, They were dancing in the streets celebrating it as a victory over `The great satan` as khomeni deemed us.

    Maybe not all Muslims are anti-American, But the vast majority are because of their religion. Don`t believe that "Religion of peace" crap, They can`t even be civil to one another (sunni vs. shia).
  124. Profile photo of minitimm
    minitimm Male 18-29
    82 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    Yeah, he`s way off base there.
  125. Profile photo of clancy54
    clancy54 Male 18-29
    83 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    Haha, I laughed. Some people take these things a bit too serious.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5196 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Pretty cool, but a real Southerner never puts the second place prize on anything. That guy`s bound to be a yankee poser.
  127. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    Crakr:

    Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat offered his sympathy to Americans.
    Afghanistan`s Taliban rulers condemned the attacks.
    President Gen. Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan condemned the attacks.
    Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi called the attacks "horrifying" and urged Muslim aid groups to offer help "regardless of political considerations or differences between America and the peoples of the world."
    Syria`s government condemned the attacks.
    Iranian President Mohammad Khatami expressed "deep regret and sympathy with the victims".

    Source:FOX, the day after. Pay attention. It is not the world`s fault your reading comprehension is not up to scratch.

    (Unless you want to argue the semantics of apology: In which case either we can`t, or have, depending on definition. Never "won`t").
  128. Profile photo of howlingwolf
    howlingwolf Male 18-29
    1351 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    *Rolls eyes* I thought people stopped caring about idiots like this a long time ago. You wanna know what a real-life troll looks like, find this guy. Just don`t feed his shallow need to be noticed.
  129. Profile photo of oxyl
    oxyl Male 30-39
    915 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    what a douche
  130. Profile photo of kummi90
    kummi90 Male 18-29
    541 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    This picture pisses me off beyond recognition!!!!
    Stupid inbred ignorant dumbdrat. Closedminded waste of matter.
    The US started it!
  131. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Additionally, I`d advise getting that book I suggested earlier, then shoving the remainder of your misleading statements.

    Feel free to explain: "Maybe not all Muslims are anti-American, But the vast majority are because of their religion."

    The vast majority are not, and those that are, don`t do it because of their religion.
  132. Profile photo of lemurs366
    lemurs366 Female 18-29
    385 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    /me points RACIST!
  133. Profile photo of nubblins
    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    People hate just because they can. "This picture pisses me off beyond recognition!!!!
    Stupid inbred ignorant dumbdrat. Closedminded waste of matter."

    Inbred.
    You know, you`re just as bad as this idiot.
  134. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Baalthazaq: All I am arguing is that atheism was never the underlying or overt motivation behind any war, terrorist attack, or mass killing and cannot be lumped in with Islam or Christianity.

    Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism. The USSR wins. 62 million.

    Whatever the instance or number of instances you are referring, I can assure you atheism was not the motivating factor.
  135. Profile photo of RexJNibcore
    RexJNibcore Female 18-29
    70 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    I`m not Christian but I`m not exactly atheist either because every atheist I meet is always being a douchebag about other people`s religions.
  136. Profile photo of Nickel_Creek
    Nickel_Creek Male 18-29
    76 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    its a huge conspiracy, hitler hired a terrorist to fly into the wtc, and while us and iraq are fighting, he will slowly but surely move up the ranks of russia (hes learned his lesson)
  137. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    RexJNibcore: You became a Taoist specifically to avoid having to refer to yourself as an atheist?
  138. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    "Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism. The USSR wins. 62 million."

    Never have I heard of someone killing in the name of Atheism. Yes, the USSR was an Atheist state but they did not use lack of belief in a god to justify anything. As it turns out, the soviets took control partly because of the support they received from the eastern orthodox church. Just sayin`...
  139. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    Also, soviet leaders were deified and sold themselves as gods on earth. That`s not Atheism.
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    xXamwxxXx Male 18-29
    285 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    they parked in a handicapped spot.
  141. Profile photo of DRxSATANx
    DRxSATANx Male 18-29
    321 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    and he`s handicaped
  142. Profile photo of Dad4Life
    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2067 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    Right on my redneck brother. Islam is a violent, Godless cult. Muhammad burns in hell!
  143. Profile photo of stewaa99
    stewaa99 Male 30-39
    76 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    Everything I needed to know about Christianity I learned from the Crusades.
  144. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    And all the whole world needs to know about the United States is that we dropped two nukes on civilians back in the day.
  145. Profile photo of Lou-Saydus
    Lou-Saydus Male 13-17
    216 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    so ignorant yet so accurate, scary indeed.
  146. Profile photo of Jujubean3333
    Jujubean3333 Female 13-17
    300 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    he doesnt have a handicap plate
  147. Profile photo of aseirinn
    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    there is nothing to say about this really...as you can see it speaks volumes...to denounce it is pointless. I imagine this guy driving around where he lives thinking he`s making a statement of intelect...but this looks like the handywork of a child that got it`s arse slapped...it happened on sept 11 if im not mistaken, poor boy!...he`s the lowest common denomonator...
  148. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    That`s an Atypical redneck truck.
  149. Profile photo of FaLa620
    FaLa620 Male 30-39
    80 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    I think religion is pretty stupid. But it really annoys me to see things like this. Most people who bash Islam know nothing about it, and have probably never met a Muslim in their life. Try living in an Islamic country and see if that alters your views any. I spent nearly a year living in an Islamic nation, living with families of Muslims, working alongside Muslims. Some of my best friends are Muslim. It could be more the differences in culture rather than the religion itself, but the Muslims I know are wonderful, loving, peaceful people, who live out their faith better than any Christian I`ve ever met. The guy who drives this truck is probably convinced that Obama is a Muslim too, but based on my experiences that would be an improvement.
  150. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    FaLa620 that`s great, and I`ve met several friendly Muslims as well, but this truck didn`t say "Everything I ever needed to know about MUSLIMS I learned on 9/11", did it? So if you`re going to address the ACTUAL point of contention here, could you at least give me one peaceful passage from the Koran which concerns all Humankind, and not simply fellow believers?
  151. Profile photo of theguy91
    theguy91 Male 18-29
    216 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    I scrolled down to a wall of text. Woohoo.
  152. Profile photo of pandabear21
    pandabear21 Female 18-29
    150 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    Suicism, If you`re going to tell someone they are wrong, know something about the subject you`re correcting them about.
  153. Profile photo of Stodogs
    Stodogs Female 13-17
    301 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    confederate flag? really?
  154. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    What is it I`m missing, Panda? You`re just as invited to contribute - and yet all I see is irrefutable evidence of somebody in desperate need of taking their own advice.
  155. Profile photo of Pataforce8
    Pataforce8 Male 13-17
    16 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    I don`t understand. It`s his truck; why can`t he display his opinions? It seems everyone that doesn`t agree has to jump on it even though they probably have plain jane cars that don`t display any of their opinions. Why don`t they have flashy cars? They are afraid of everything everyone else will post on IAB and talk about. At least he can stand behind opinions.

    Just sayin`.
  156. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9311 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:51 pm
    "@Nido

    lol. I feel sorry for you guys, honestly."

    The pity is appreciated. (T.T)
  157. Profile photo of ElDavo
    ElDavo Male 18-29
    2149 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    All I need to know about religious leaders I learned on 9/11.

    Islam is the same as any other religion, it`s the leaders that order poo like this and cause all the problems.
  158. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:10 pm
    Positive Correlation Between Bumper Stickers and Road Rage

    I bet this guy drives like a total d***.
  159. Profile photo of gorgeousplan
    gorgeousplan Female 18-29
    146 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    "I bet this guy drives like a total d***."
    i see a mini confederate flag on the back window,
    and he`s parked in a handicapped zone of course...
    douchebag all around
  160. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm
    Brass:

    You didn`t read any of my three points then.

    If you argue against my parody of Lazy`s argument, you clearly don`t realize it`s a parody.

    If you are saying it to suggest the analogy doesn`t fit, you are then suggesting Islam is the motivating factor behind 9/11, in spite of all evidence I have provided to the contrary.

    You also neglect my third point that whilst Atheism doesn`t have any pro-active teachings, it also doesn`t have any of the contrary teachings that Islam does. (Don`t do X/Y/Z).

    As such you can make an argument that X has no basis in Atheism, I can make the argument that X is specifically contrary to our teachings, which I provided.

    Basically, I`ve just repeated my last 3 points. I get it, you want to answer back, but either you don`t understand that I`m PURPOSELY REPEATING A BAD ARGUMENT TO SHOW IT IS BAD or you are arguing the original was good.
  161. Profile photo of toodead919
    toodead919 Male 13-17
    10 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    woah!! flame war goin on down der
  162. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:26 pm
    [quote">Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism. The USSR wins. 62 million.[/quote">

    You do know that Islam played a role in Nazism during WW2 right ? Al Husseini, The Grand Mufti
  163. Profile photo of bomberouno
    bomberouno Male 18-29
    185 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:27 pm
    Its idiots like this that make me ashamed of my fellow Americans. And the ones that point to Australia when asked where Iran is.
  164. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm
    Suicism:
    "How to deal with a Disbeliever", from the Quran. Chapter 109. "The Disbelievers".

    That`s one, hell there`s a whole chapter. But you don`t want one. You want someone to post one, so that you can take another you have prepared.

    Save me the trouble: When you post your quote, also post the verse after it. That`s pretty much what I`m going to end up doing to give it context.

    Althought, there is one where the verse BEFORE gives the context. Meh, either way carry on with the inevitable unfolding of events. I`ll pretend it`s interesting.
  165. Profile photo of Jadavid
    Jadavid Male 18-29
    127 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm
    thats funny ive seen another one of these with islam replaced with obama. the obama one was kinda confusing this one however not so much
  166. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm
    (Crakr: Feel free to post a link proving your claim, unless you also want to suggest that no-one in Germany was either Christian or Atheist through all of WWI and WWII.

    You`re also, conveniently ignoring that the Palestinians fought against the Nazis, that`s actually the reason you have a conflict in Israel right now. The contradictory promises made by the British).
  167. Profile photo of b0sanac1
    b0sanac1 Male 18-29
    234 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    "Right on my redneck brother. Islam is a violent, Godless cult. Muhammad burns in hell!"

    i suggest that you learn some real history not from bullpoo muslim bashing websites, or your oh so awesome government
  168. Profile photo of b0sanac1
    b0sanac1 Male 18-29
    234 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:13 pm
    "Maybe not all Muslims are anti-American, But the vast majority are because of their religion."

    omg, seriously? when will you people learn to differentiate culture from religion. Im muslim, im also caucasian, my home country is muslim, and all of my friends and family are muslim, none of them hate america. geez people learn the difference. dont give me that crap, "majority of muslims hate america coz of their religion".. no most muslim ARABS hate america because america is F-ing up their country.
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    oddstef Female 18-29
    204 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    ugh, that deserves a facepalm
  170. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 19, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    Baalthazaq

    1. No, I guess I don`t get your sense of humor, or maybe it just does not come through well in the forum because apparently I`m not the only one.

    2. I`m saying the analogy doesn`t fit. Saying this, or saying Islam was the motivating factor behind numerous deaths, is not specifically pointing to 9/11 so dont make that conclusion for me.

    3. Your third point, if I`m reading you right and you`re suggesting atheism is indirectly responsible due to a neglect of instilling moral values, assigns blame unfairly and inaccurately. Culture, as much as religion, instills values in a society and what moral system we have in America is a product of western culture and christian values. Atheists do teach morality but it would be a long jump to say the lack of a moral code in atheism itself results in deaths.

  171. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 12:03 am
    Bosanac:

    Your statement is only half true. I wouldn`t even say the majority of Arabs hate America. (Though when asked, a majority of Arabs stated they felt America was a greater force for harm than good in the Middle East).

    It is however telling that the Stereotype Muslim is an Arab, and the actual majority of Muslims are not Arab. (325 Million Arabs, 1.2 Billion Muslims. They *cannot* be a majority).

    It does worry me however, that various groups, are now disassociating with Arabs as opposed to Islam. This is not an improvement. "It`s not Muslims, it`s Arabs".

    Whilst I actually (even as an Arab) agree with that statement to an extent, it too misses out on the big picture a lot of the time.

    It is an oversimplified answer to a complex question, and many would do better to spend time to get the bigger picture.

    (I know you weren`t doing this exactly. Just making conversation.)
  172. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 12:10 am
    Brass:

    1) I wasn`t trying to be funny, so maybe parody was the wrong word. However, you can read English. I`d imagine my restating the same point 3 times was sufficient irrespective of your sense of humor.

    2 and 3) My argument, was a copy, of a previous argument.

    If you are arguing that my analogy does not hold, you argue that there is a difference between the two.

    In the original, one event, 9/11 was a target (via the picture). I chose another event as my parallel.

    Nobody included any other events. I did not include any other events (I even reposted to remove peripheral events related to the first).

    My analogy, like the original, takes an event, draws a conclusion without taking true motivation into consideration, only the actions of a group.

    If you want to retroactively reword the original argument, you can, but then what the hell are we discussing that you think I disagree with?
  173. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 12:35 am
    More detail on your point 3)

    3a) "If I`m reading you right and you`re suggesting atheism is indirectly responsible"

    You are not reading me right at all. I am arguing that in both cases, the grouping of the perpetrators does not demonstrate causality.

    3b) "Due to a neglect of instilling moral values"

    No. I assumed your argument was "Atheism is always exempt from X because set(values) does not contain X"

    The implication is set(Isl.Values) CONTAINS X; If said to demonstrate false analogy. If not said to demonstrate false analogy, see point 3c.

    My counter was "Islam can be said to be more exempt from X because set(values) is explicitly NOT.X"

    3c) "assigns blame unfairly and inaccurately."
    Correct. The argument assigns blame unfairly and inaccurately. It is therefore bad, irrespective of who it is being applied to. That is what I intended to show.
  174. Profile photo of Tay-Dor
    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
    265 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 1:01 am
    "Hundreds of thousands, or even millions. And you have dangerous personality cults forming around Sarah Palin..."

    Unlike the fanatical cult of personality that formed around Obama?
  175. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 1:10 am
    Baalthazaq: The Grand Mufti & Hitler
    The Father of Jihad

    Btw, This was Yasser Arafat`s Uncle.

    If you need more information let me know, There is a lot of it on the web.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 4:08 am
    I don`t know why no one talks about Islamic imperialism. After all, they are totally open about their intentions. And if you had any doubts, just look at their birth rate. They have figured out that a birth-rate-invasion is so much more effective in Western politically correct societies than military invasion. But, that`s OK: here`s a hole in the sand, just put your head in there and go back to sleep.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 4:10 am
    Thanks for that link, Crakrjak. I hadn`t seen that one before.
  178. Profile photo of patticakes
    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 4:10 am
    I don`t know why no one talks about Islamic imperialism. After all, they are totally open about their intentions. And if you had any doubts, just look at their birth rate. They have figured out that a birth-rate-invasion is so much more effective in Western politically correct societies than military invasion. But, that`s OK: here`s a hole in the sand, just put your head in there and go back to sleep.
  179. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 4:13 am
    Crakr:

    There`s a lot of bull on the web, what is amazing to me, is you haven`t actually found anything yet. Even lies.

    I have no idea what argument you are making. I know about him, I know everything about him. How does it support your claim?

    "This guy was a Nazi sympathizer" So?
    "HE WAS ARAFATS UNCLE!!!!" So?

    Anything else? Did he sell pistachio nuts to Che Guevara? Who gives a poo? What relevance or connections do your sentences have to your other sentences?

    The only thing I can see is "He was Muslim, therefore Muslims take the blame for X". If you want to try that, fine, but I think you`ll find that unless you`re willing to truly push the boundaries for "cause", you`ll end up lumping in a hell of a lot of other people before Islam.

    Next you`ll it`ll be the "Red Green Brown" alliance of Nazis Commies and Muslims. I`ll continue to talk about the "Tin foil" alliance.
  180. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 4:19 am
    Crakr:
    Also, not incidentally, you have completely dropped your earlier outright lie, which I had to correct on your behalf.

    Where is YOUR apology?

    Patticakes:
    Are you suggesting that, say, Utah, or American Samoa has similar imperialist tendencies? "You just have to look at their birthrates".

    Trailer parks all over the states are waiting to rise up as part of some coordinated plan?

    Look, go outside occasionally, we are not the goddamn Borg. If you could see us as more than comic book villains, you could easily see the truth beyond the lies.

    As it stands, you clearly cannot distinguish between the two. It is extremely saddening.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:14 am
    I`m so glad I`m Canadian
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:22 am
    Also, not incidentally, you have completely dropped your earlier outright lie, which I had to correct on your behalf.

    What lie ?

    I`ve shown you how Nazism and radical islam are linked, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was palestinian, So was his nephew Yasser Arafat. Al Huseinni fled to Cairo and evaded the Nuremburg trials, He was an unindicted co-conspirator with Hitler. He spread his antisemitism all over Persia, Arabia, Serbia, Croatia, Turkey, And Northern Africa. He`s connected with the Baath party that Saddam Hussein rose to power in. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and others were all spawned because of him. And his followers followers continue to kill Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus and others still to this day. That is why I disagree with that earlier ranking, I believe it`s inaccurate.

    Having said that, Not all Muslims agree with that thinking. But a vast majority in the middle east do and that`s of very real concern.
  183. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:33 am
    "What lie?"

    1) Suggesting Muslims didn`t apologise, when they did. That is *THE* lie I was referring to. However, we can add.
    2) Suggesting "the Majority" think the opposite of what they actually think. (Largest studies done demonstrate this).
    3) Suggesting the cause, I have already, sufficiently rebutted.

    This is all long before we even begin to talk about the sense of scale, the fact that you ignored that Muslims kicked 8 shades of poo out of Al Qaeda in the Mid East which is half the reason they hiding in caves outside of it.

    Not to mention further, your tenuous links are at best exaggerated and at worst fictional.

    TGF`s role in forming any of the organizations you virtually attribute solely to him, have no mention of him as making any major contribution.

    Furthermore, are you aware that "Palestinian" is not synonymous with Muslim?
  184. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:40 am
    Let me put it another way, a way your totally disjointed method of argumentation might understand.

    My ex girlfriend was a Palestinian, so was her brother. She slept around with at least two people, and her friend was a bit of a floozy too. She spread her legs all over Dubai, Palestine, the UK, the US and Canada. She`s connected to Craigslist, Facebook, and even tried selling used underwear on Ebay amongst others. I still occasionally get facebook friend requests from people who have banged or are currently banging her to this day.

    Now. What does this tell you about this once Christian, currently Atheist girl?

    Notice I have provided, in an identical sentence structure to yours, every link you have provided to Islam, with an entirely non Islamic figure.

    That is because the link, is built entirely out of your desire for it to be there.

    I ask again, demonstrate a link, don`t assume it.
  185. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:50 am
    It`s possible I didn`t hear any `apologies` over the noise of the majority of their citizens that were dancing in the streets, Burning American flags, and chanting `Allah Akbar`.

    Sort of like the Japanese Ambassador saying "So Sorry" to America right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, They rang quite hollow.

    Most muslims in the middle east want a worldwide islamic state, For several reasons, and are trying to spread sharia law. America has been getting in the way of that goal.

    Yes, I`ve heard the `infidel` reasoning before. The belief that they hate us because we have military bases there. Bin Laden did mention this in his tapes, But his main reason was in retaliation for Bill Clinton`s `Wag the Dog` Tomahawk missile attacks on Al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan (During the Monica Lewinsky Scandal).

    Over riding it all though is our support of Israel. `Zionism` is equated with `Nazism` over in Palestine, But little do most of them know their hat
  186. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 5:53 am
    ...little do most of them know their hatred comes straight from the Nazis.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:11 am
    Baalthazaq: What does one ex-gf have to do with this conversation ?

    I`ve provided more than enough evidence for the links between each cause and effect. TGM was spreading his antisemitism before WW2 ended, Before any British `promises` were broken. Israel is the Jews homeland, They were there first and there is more than enough archaeological evidence to prove it. I`m sorry if that pissed off a lot of Palestinians, It happened before I was born. The fact is that they are there now and have fought off several attempts by their muslim neighbors to crush them. They aren`t going away. My wish is that Palestinians and Israel`s neighbors would realize that, accept it, and learn to live in peace.
  188. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:15 am
    Sigh.

    Ok, Crakr, but little do you know, NASA is basically Nazism too. (Every major achievement you have comes from Nazi scientists working on the Amerika Bomber, look it up).

    Now the sensible thing to do would be to suggest that just because I can come up with some tenuous link between two things means nothing towards the overall methodology and causes.

    However, taking the Crakr approach: Everything, ever, about everything you think, do, or say, is because of Nazi influence. Obviously.

    Good to see Godwin`s law is alive and well.

    Still waiting on that apology by the way. Feel free to give it any time.
  189. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 6:17 am
    Are you suggesting Crakr, that the actions of one person from nation X, does not give a full rundown of the opinions of Religion Y?

    Interesting. You know what, how about, saying as you hold that opinion, you have an argument with yourself rather than me?

    You`re clearly offended that anyone would be so stupid as to make that assumption, provided that someone is not you.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:26 am
    Islam ranks 3rd for death toll behind Christianity, and Atheism. The USSR wins. 62 million.

    It seems my friends have already shown that this is bullsh*t. Thanks IAB!

    ...I am saying that your argument (posted originally by lazy) is poo, and useful only for big dick competitions.

    Its rather obvious that the attacks were motivated by religion, albeit an extremist minority. If you don`t have the dick to admit when you`re wrong, then how can we take you seriously?
  191. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:32 am
    Lazy:

    Reread the thread. Count the supporters for either side of the argument. Let alone the actual facts of the matter.

    I`m happy to let anyone reading the thread come to their own conclusions based on the evidence as opposed to prejudices.

    However, feel free to actually contribute at any point.
  192. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:34 am
    NASA is basically Nazism too.

    Whoa hold it right there, Maybe we did acquire German scientists after WW2, But so did Russia, England, And France. That in no way makes Nasa = Nazis. The scientists, Like Von Braun, Were running for their lives because Hitler wanted them shot before they could fall into enemy hands. You might as well be accusing Einstein of being a Nazi too, That`s how ridiculous your claim is.

    Your claim that I must be seeing Nazis everywhere is equally ridiculous.

    Also, I clearly stated that not all muslims have a radical antisemitism ideology.

    You`re also assuming I`m making assumptions that have no evidence. Since you know so much about The Grand Mufti, Please tell me what you know.
  193. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:38 am
    Let me put this another way, if we say the metric is motivation.

    Which do you think ranks higher: "Hatred of a religious group", or "Being a member of a religious group" that has caused more deaths?

    The problem with you, Lazy, is that you see a statement like "Muslims in Al Qaeda hate Jews" and come to the conclusion that the problem is "Muslims", not "Hating Jews" which you personally do, alongside "Hating Muslims" "Hating Christians" and every other religious group.

    Then when I try to say that might be a problem, you can`t understand why. This is one of the many problems with the USSR and the massive deathtolls.

    That is also why I will happily argue against the Anti-thiests such as yourself on this site. You are a part of the problem, the exact same problem that Al-Qaeda has, the same problems Nazis had.

    You are more like them, than most of us will ever be.
  194. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 6:54 am
    "Whoa, maybe we acquired some Nazi scie.... but so did"

    Aha! So again, you are suggesting that Islam gets bumped above (I would assume from your perspective) Christianity due to the deaths in WWI which you are placing in the hands of Muslims?

    Now, who do we know who might also have been in EUROPE`S largest war, and whose largest battles took place between Christian Majority countries, and Secular states?

    The tertiary role of the Ottomans? Seriously? This is seriously the argument you`re making here? Like honestly? Like this isn`t some type of practical joke, you genuinely believe the words coming out of your mou... fingers?

    Wow... just wow.
  195. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:54 am
    My opinion "Hate Period" ranks higher than either.

    It is hatred that fueled 9/11, Hatred that killed 6 million Jews in WW2 death camps, Hatred that fuels antisemitism and by association anti-Americanism. I have seen pictures of many American troops smiling with Iraqi and Afghani kids, Helping their families, Playing soccer with them and generally winning hearts and minds.

    America does not hate the Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, or Arab peoples. But we can not stand the hate filled ideology of the extremists there. We tried to stand with the Iranians in their bid to overthrow a rigged election there. We would love to see the Palestinians lay down their arms and accept peace.

    America is not a bloodthirsty nation, Despite what it`s critics say.

  196. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 7:08 am
    Christians haven`t had a `Jihad` or Holy War since the Crusades. Just because a country, That has Christians in it, Goes to war does not make it a `Christian war`.

    Communist Atheists however, Have attempted to purge all kinds of religions from within their borders (Both China & Russia). So for sake of argument that would be a `Religion` based war. Btw, Chechnya is still battling Russia over religious ideology.

    How many muslim `Jihads` have been declared since Israel took root in Palestine ? I`m not sure, But I`d bet it`s a large number.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 7:38 am
    everything I needed to know about Virginia I learned thanks to you!
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    tjspot Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 8:01 am
    Baalthazag: your comments lead me to believe you are either of the Muslim faith, or from Muslim heritage. While I understand your defense of a faith based on kindness and purity, perhaps the misconception is that events such as 9/11 are that of RADICAL Islam, not Islam. Many are unaware of the differences between the two and unfortunately often are not informed of the difference. I would encourage you, and all others, to view a video on youtube called The Third Jihad. There are multiple sections adding up to about 30 minutes and discusses this difference as well as some of the developments regarding radical islam.

    It is everyone`s responsibility to become educated and informed while maintaining a clear head and open mind, but perhaps Muslims can help to make this difference clearer. Is that at least a fair assessment?
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    dudeman1st Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2010 at 9:05 am
    In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli`s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

    It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy`s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once
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    Nick513 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 9:24 am
    The fact that he cut a hole in the big sticker to make sure the Ford logo is still visible gives him extra redneck points.
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 9:43 am
    This doesn`t surprise me; the ignorant are everywhere; we have people who share ideologies similar to this here in the UK. Bottom line; bad people do bad things. You can`t judge an entire group of people on the behaviour of one member. Religion isn`t the no 1 cause; the mis-interpretation of religeon is. It is erroneous translations of texts, and, basically a massive intergenerational game of chinease whispers which cause religeons to go down the wrong path. Well, sort of, I mean, Catholic priests didn`t mis- interprete the bible when they raped and abused children, they were just bastards, which comes back around to the `bad people do bad things` theory i have.
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    Fantom2993 Male 18-29
    342 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 10:39 am
    You guys are always picking on Catholics just because a little kid gets touched every once in a while, and Muslims are out here blowin` up buildings and killing people and nobody says a word. Those nutty muzzies (muzzies is the new slang term for muslims that I just made up, I sure hope it catches on, ALLAH AKBAR!!)
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    famajah Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 10:57 am
    drat that :\
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    famajah Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 10:58 am
    PS: I didnt say drat. It corrected it. I said the F word. there. correct that..
  205. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Tjspot:

    Partially, however you are mistaken in part. There are people who justify 9/11, who specifically still state that it is un-Islamic.

    A Christian similarly might know that punching a guy for squeezing your wife`s butt is "unChristian" but not "unjustified".

    You have to decide what you`re calling a radical. Then, uncomfortably, compare it.

    What do Americans think of torture? 71% think it is "sometimes justified" or more.

    Targetting Civilians? Ok, according to the UK. 23% of Americans agree. 20% of Muslims.

    I just don`t think you understand how disgusting your world is yet.
  206. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    Basically.

    What do you want to call a radical? Someone who answers what, to what question?

    Then you ask the same question to a control group.

    Obviously, you sanitize it. The KKK is going to give a different answer to a Kenyan militia to the question "Is lynching Negroes ok?". "Lynching people" would be different and fair(er).

    On the case of torture, civilian targeting, racial profiling, and so on and so forth, the Muslim world is not more radical, than the USA, or Europe.

    However, the UK could say, in quadruple numbers to the middle east, that terrorism(though maybe not that wording anymore saying as it has been sensationalized) is justifiable.

    They wouldn`t be divided into radicals and moderates.

    If you look at the Middle east in isolation, sure, it sucks. Does anywhere else fare particularly better? No.
  207. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    (But yes, I agree that there are radical Islamists, but I really don`t think you have any idea of how political it is.

    It`s the same reason most Americans know Muslims don`t eat pork. It`s "weird" and "different". Nobody discusses how we don`t eat: Dog, Snake, Crocodile, etc.

    Similarly, when you have people at odds, you look at what makes them different. You come up with utterly retarded answers to questions "Why do they hate us? They hate us for our freedom."

    Never, ever stopping to ask:
    Who the drat are "they"?
    Do they actually hate us?
    Why do they really hate us?

    You even have imbeciles like crakr, repeatedly announcing what the majority think. "Vast Majority" according to him, announcing views that are disputed by every major poll ever conducted, and despite the fact that he has one right in front of him, who has traveled the middle east, and met thousands worldwide, contradicting him
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    Fantom2993 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    Yep, those Muzzies are SO rational

    More Rational Muzzies
  209. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    Baalthazaq

    If it is a political rebelion against american foreign policy and the desired expulsion of the Isreali government, then wouldn`t the suicide bombers be denied access into heaven because it would then not be Jihad?

    If, considering they were acting on the behalf of other muslims and as such their actions are deemed holy, wouldn`t they still deem 9/11 as a holy cause and do it in the name of Allah?

    What about the bombings after 9/11 in Madrid, London, and Belsan?

    As shown in the video Tjspot posted a link to (great video btw), the consistent ideology of these radical groups is to carry out Jihad on all non-muslim nations so how can you expect everyone to neglect this and rely on the statements of a terrorist who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. As the video also shows, these people see no harm in using any deceptive means necessary.

    Islam does not make a distinction between matters of religion and matters of state, so why should
  210. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    Baalthazaq:

    Another thing, Why does the `Religion of peace` even have such a thing as `Rules of war` in it`s holy book ?

    Jesus never preached about war, In fact he was a pacifist, `Turn the other cheek`.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    Lastly, what took Osama 3 years to come out with this message? If the act was political, and they have demands, typically someone would want to make them directly following the terrorist act, especially if you`re going to do it in the most horrific way possible. Melting people and then collapsing two buildings on top of them is not something you keep people guessing about.

    Oh, and I didn`t see the words Palestine or american foreign policy anywhere in the transcript of the videos first released following the 9/11 attacks between Osama, his lieutenants and the unidentified shaykh.
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    What an ignorant fool.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 7:22 pm
    Everyone who believes in God is stupid.

    "God" means Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, or any other form of giant bearded wizard.

    Don`t deny that that is how most religious people view God.
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    FaLa620 Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    @Suicism - have you actually read the Qu`ran? Do you know anything about what Islam teaches? If you`re honestly curious, I`ve got a Qu`ran sitting on my shelf, I can give you some verses. Oh but wait, someone already did that and it didn`t help at all, big surprise.

    And you do realize that Islam is made up of Muslims, correct? It`s a lot like the debate surrounding the God bumper sticker.



    And umm, Nazis are in league with Islam huh? Last time I checked, Hitler was Catholic.
  215. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    Everyone who believes in God is stupid.

    You young sir, Have a lot to learn yet. Belief in God is empowering and uplifting.

    ..bearded wizard..

    Really ? Like Dumbledore ? Just because there a few renaissance paintings depicting him like that doesn`t mean that is how he looks. In fact, The bible says the light from him is so bright that we could not look upon him with our eyes.

    Please loose your ignorance and prejudice about religious people, Ok?
  216. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    ....Hitler was Catholic.

    Maria Schicklgruber was Adolph Hitler`s paternal grandmother, She was catholic. But Alois, His father was considered `illegitimate` and it`s possible that Adolph`s Grandfather was Jewish.
    It`s not definitive.

    The Story:

    Maria was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son was Alois`s father and Hitler`s grandfather.

    There is no proof of this coupling however.
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    NightHack Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    It is so sad that people equate entire cultures with a terrible blemish. I have never met a muslim who wasn`t a good person. Sure, they`re out there - but in my own travels I have only met very good people who happened to also be muslim. I have met some pretty nasty people too, and believe it or not... they come from all sorts of different backgrounds.
  218. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 12:52 am
    Sigh, I really don`t have time for this, suffice to say, mistakes:

    Brass:
    "Islam does not make a distinction between matters of religion and matters of state". Wrong. Our separation of Church and State is inbuilt, and different, not non existent.

    "what took Osama 3 years to come out with this message?" 3 Years from which point? He has been saying it from 1990, the year after troops were there.

    "Wouldn`t X make it a holy war". Sure, I guess, but then X always makes it a holy war, in which case you elevate many more wars to holy wars. Which is silly.

    "Defending people of the same worldview" = "Holy war". You`re giving me a hell of a lot of ammo for Atheistic Holy wars here.
  219. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 1:09 am
    Crakr:
    "Why are there rules of war"
    Because we are allowed to defend ourselves.

    You cannot state that America is not bloodthirsty, and defend every act they put forward with justifications, if you as a Christian, do not believe you should be fighting any wars, ever, under any circumstances, be they in offense, or defense of yourself or others.

    Self defense is explicitly stated in the Quran, and elsewhere in the theology, as well as the limitations (Stop if they ask for peace, and cease attacking you. Don`t attack civilians. Don`t use poison. Don`t destroy crops and livestock. Etc.)

    Furthermore:
    1) Whilst I always maintain on this site that Christianity is generally peaceful, the context for your quote is not simply "Don`t fight".

    "If someone tries to hit you, make him use his holy hand. He won`t, because he won`t do something sinful with his holy hand, and it`ll teach him a lesson".
  220. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 1:15 am
    Crakr still:
    "America is not a bloodthirsty nation, Despite what it`s critics say."

    You are:
    The largest (best funded) military.
    Have a phenomenal number of deaths attributed to you.
    Are one of the strongest supporters of your military.
    Have entered more wars than almost anyone else.

    YET, I agree with you. You know, from experience, how people view your country from the inside. The stats, are technically all against you. You lose on hundreds of possible metrics by which bloodthirst could reasonably be measured.

    What you don`t understand, is that our facts are better, even after twisting and weasel wording, and somehow you point to them and call us bloodthirsty based on that.

    "We are not bloodthirsty" - Fine.
    "You are bloodthirsty" - STILL Fine.
    "You are, and we`re not" - Somewhere along the line, you`ve got a double standard.
  221. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 1:23 am
    Finally Brass again:

    You do have one question which is... complex.

    Do Terrorists go to heaven?

    As a Muslim, I technically can`t answer that. I personally am not allowed to say to someone, or about someone that they are going to hell. Ever.

    Furthermore, I don`t technically know. Personally, I want them to go to Hell. However, Islam isn`t a belief OR an acts system. It includes an aspect of intention.

    It could be argued that they go to heaven on some intention, however it is also true that ignoring the rules of war purposely would probably negate that.

    I don`t know if they were (as some terrorists are) kidnapped and brainwashed from a young age, being fed selected passages, purposely being kept from the rules of war.

    I DO know that at least one of the hijackers was supposedly mentally handicapped, and people who don`t have the capacity to make decisions aren`t punished for them.
  222. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 1:46 am
    Still Brass (Sorry for the avalanche of posts):

    So basically, it can be very complex.

    Assuming certain factors, you can create scenarios where one, some or all go to heaven, or hell, based on information we do not have.

    However, I slightly sidestepped your actual point I think.

    If it is political, could they still go to heaven? Potentially, yes.

    Everyone:
    You may also want to revise the use of the word Jihad.

    Everything from Gandhi to the women`s liberation movement is termed a "Jihad" in modern Arabic.

    You`ll find a fairly solid translation is simply "Struggle". It can be personal, internal (struggle to be a better person), all the way up to outright holy war in defense of Muslims.

    Crakr:
    Self defence reference: You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 21, 2010 at 2:42 am
    Yes, We have a well funded military as do most nations. So what ?

    There have been `phenomenal` numbers of deaths due to war worldwide. It pales in comparison to the genocides that have taken place in the name of nazism, communism, and islam.

    America doesn`t just enter wars for the hell of it, We resisted joining in WW1, We didn`t enter WW2 until we were attacked, We assisted democratic allies during the cold war. We bring aid and relief to refugees around the world. Even though Saddam was a sick son-of-a-bitch, We didn`t remove him during the first gulf war. It was only after we were attacked on 9/11 did America take out Saddam and remove the Taliban from power.

    "We love death and they love life, That is why we will win." - Osama Bin Laden
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    April 21, 2010 at 6:50 am
    BRAAAAAVO! I want that for my truck!
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 21, 2010 at 7:59 am
    "what took Osama 3 years to come out with this message?" 3 Years from which point? He has been saying it from 1990, the year after troops were there.

    First off, thanks for taking the time so answer.

    I refuse to believe that with all the planning and preparation that went into the 9/11 attacks that Osama wouldn`t give an explanation, even if he had done this on previous occassions, because

    1) If one has a political goal it must be constantly re-stated in order to be achieved.

    2) Considering the seriousness and scale of the attacks demanded one, to not give one would be insulting and counter-productive to the cause.

    3)sending this message would prevent the US government, or the american public for that matter, to make up their own reason which would do nothing to further the cause.

    4) The theme of radical Islam is to impose their religion, law, and culture on the rest of the world.

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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 21, 2010 at 8:12 am
    Neglecting to give a fresh announcements of intent paints Osama as an inept statesmen, who was sloppy and neglectful in planning the attacks, and we all know this is not the case.

    Again, the video Tjspot linked clearly shows a group of radical muslims, spread across the globe but with the same purpose and goal, which is to erradicate all religions that are not Islam and replace all governments not subject to Sharia law. They do not see a problem with lying and deceiving to acquire this goal so all material from them must be treated with extreme suspicion.

    Even in the unlikely event that this was not true, I don`t think anyone can afford to take that chance and treat the radicals passively.
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    mamba Male 18-29
    628 posts
    April 21, 2010 at 11:48 am
    I could also say that
    everything i need to know about Christianity i learnt from the last about 100 years of KKK activity.

    But im not that STUPID
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 22, 2010 at 2:54 am
    Brassbull, your statements about Osama only makes sense with a completely revised sequence of events.

    You are suggesting that the sequence of events are:
    9/11.
    Silence for 3 years.
    Statement of goals.

    The sequence of events were:
    Years of stating goals (which you are now saying don`t count, fine).
    9/11.
    US DECLARATION OF WAR PRIOR TO KNOWING THE CULPRITS.
    STATEMENT OF DENIAL FROM THE TALIBAN.
    DECLARATION OF WAR ON TALIBAN IF THEY DON`T GIVE UP OSAMA.
    DECLARATION OF INNOCENCE BY OSAMA.
    American Invasion.
    Running and hiding with Dialysis machine strapped to his back.
    Etc etc etc.

    Where in that sequence does "announce your demands" come in? They were trying for 2 years to distance themselves from the event to prevent invasion, capture, etc.

    Do you agree at least that there is no place in the above sequence for "We didn`t do it, but we`ll do it again unless..."
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 22, 2010 at 3:04 am
    drat it Crakr. Just drat it.
    America has killed everyone ever.
    Also, Nazis. They`re also trying to bring about a Cthulic Armageddon.

    Do I win whatever game you`re playing? You`re continuously restating lies without even defending them at this stage.

    I`m not going to just repeat old posts of mine, to respond to repeats of yours, I have already dealt with fairly thoroughly. You will find references, links, stats, evidence, and personal experience.

    New points raised:
    "Lots of countries spend a lot on their military"
    1) Developing nations building a military.
    2) 41% of Military Expenditure worldwide, is you. (25% of world GDP is you).
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    April 22, 2010 at 3:13 am
    Brassbull:
    4) "The theme of radical Islam..."

    Bwhahahahaha. Theme.

    In Iraq alone, there were at least 11 groups fighting the US. Most considered radical Islamist, with themes ranging from religious (Invading Muslim lands bad), to political (invading Arab lands bad), to personal (dead family members, dead friends), to personal political religious (Muqtada al-Sadr) who gets his support NOT from the collective of religious people (who tend to lean towards Ali Sistani, a "competitor" of sorts) but from the politically motivated, anti-occupation groups.

    Theme is an extreme overstatement.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 22, 2010 at 3:30 am
    Sorry, finally Brass:

    "Don`t treat radicals passively"

    Who. The. drat. Has been arguing for treating radicals passively? (Other than Crakr, who suggests no violence should ever occur unless under the banner of the USA in which case yay, it must be justified, but otherwise could never be, even in self defense).

    Take Egypt as an example and their actions against the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood offshoot groups. Executions, mass imprisonments, etc.

    Terrorism is something the Middle East has been dealing with LONG before the US started pointing fingers. Dealing with, and doing so more effectively than the Americans have, more harshly than the Americans have, and generally, prior to 9/11 with much condemnation by the rest of the world for "strong arm tactics".

    The difference is, the Middle East knows more clearly who they should be pointing guns at.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    April 25, 2010 at 5:10 am
    @ Pandabear21

    A religion of Peace "Commanded" to Terrorize!

    Who`da thunk it?
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    April 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    You`re right Baal, I just found a quote from him shortly after the attack saying it was done in retribution for civilian casualties in Lebanon and Palestine. At the same time Osama believes that our entire way of life is something to be opposed, attacked, and replaced. That view has a strong religious basis and seems to be evolving to become a central concept for radical islamics who direct their aggression towards the US.

    I was seeing more red than reason in your argument that people are not aware of how political his motivation was because lately there have been a lot of videos being censored simply for being critical of Islam. I get the same impression from most muslims that I get from most christians; that there is a need to rationalize anything negative about their religion or deny any valid connection between their religion and a negative event. I let that bleed into this discussion and for that I apologize.

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