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276 Responses to In Honor Of Easter Sunday This Weekend [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of sweetpeachy1
    sweetpeachy1 Female 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 11:06 am
    Link: In Honor Of Easter Sunday This Weekend - If this thought doesn`t pertain to you, you have nothing to worry about...
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    It is awesome. Capitalism rules all.
  3. Profile photo of Canine
    Canine Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Funny because true. Also, in before religion war
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    very interesting lol
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    atomic_sugar Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    Sad, but true way too often.
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    util Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    ha!
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    WOW! Since when religious people is two faced, WOW! that is news to me, WOW
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    rigby_321 Female 18-29
    443 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    :-D not me. Easter has always been bunnies and chicks in my world. Who`s this hey-suess everybody keeps talking about?
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    knup48 Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    lolwut
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Wel i guess its true to an extent, but pretty dramatic if you ask me.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    very true
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    hahaha, pwned
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    I know some people like that.
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    abby0315 Female 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    Why should I be charitable to PRISONERS, who weren`t charitable or kind to other people in the first place.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    You know, I am getting really sick and tired of all the anti-Christian messages broad-cased almost daily here.

    Not every Christian is like how IAB is portraying. I am not ignorant. I currently have a 3.9 GPA in a Graduate Clinical Psychology curriculum. I published unbiased research, volunteer within my community, and work over-time nearly every day.

    I took a job that pays 15k a year below the median, that forces me to work overtime nearly every week, and not get paid for said overtime. I took that job to help people. I didn`t take that job to broadcast my Christianity, I didn`t take it to get patted on that back, I took it to spread Christian charity, and to help people.

    I don`t appreciate coming home after a hard days work on studies, with clients, meeting with parents, to see anti-Christian sentiment on a website I have been coming to for humor and relaxation for a little over 2 years, before starting my course related homework.

    Just isn`t cla
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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
    670 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    well this is only if you have expensive clothes, an suv, and there are homeless shelters on the way to church. plus they`re celebrating easter, not getting a huge lecture on how to be like jesus
  17. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    "Why should I be charitable to PRISONERS, who weren`t charitable or kind to other people in the first place."

    Because MY Lord and Savior would. His name is Jesus, and he died for our sins.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    Easter is a holiday yet again stolen by the church because they couldn`t get the heathens to stop celebrating (just like Christmas).
    What... you think Christians came up with the rabbits and the Eggs? And the word itself "Easter" is Pagan, its a slightly different spelling of the pagan goddess Ishtar, for cryin out loud. (and For the record, I`m not religious, just an outsider observing the absurd.)
    Srsly... google it. Better yet, here`s ye ol snopes link:
    Snopes giving the dirt on Easter
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Oh. I forgot about Easter. Sorry about that, Jesus.
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    han5nah Female 13-17
    735 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    bwahahahahaaaa.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    I want to be like Jesus too. I`m totally going to grow a beard.
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    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    "Why should I be charitable to PRISONERS, who weren`t charitable or kind to other people in the first place."

    Never heard of forgiveness?
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Can I celebrate Easter by using the lord`s name in vain as much as possible?

    :D
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    FUNKADELIC Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    @ elkingo

    ur lord n savior maybee....but what would lemmy do?
  25. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    elkingo- They don`t want to hear from people like us. Controversy sells, and nice reasonable Christian people don`t make them feel the high of a righteous fury.

    Its fun to demonize those who are different. Its not fun to put in the work that rational thought and tolerance requires.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    I will be wearing Jeans and a polo-style shirt to church Sunday, because I don`t own "dressy" clothes.

    If the homeless people would get jobs, they could be dressy at church!

    Get a job grouch! lol.
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    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    @Loxen. That`s old news. Of course we adopted pagan rituals and pointed them to Christ. We`ve been doing it for 2000 years. Its only the Fundamentalists that seem to have forgotten.
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    cheese6969 Male 18-29
    522 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    I don`t go to church though
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Well done IAB, my sentiments exactly.

    There is a woman I know in arizona who has to do fund-raising for her daughters high school. Something is very very wrong.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Good for elkingo, he`s one of a million who act otherwise.
  31. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    @Abbey, because our master Told us to. Prisoners are people just like everyone else.
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    Mamaof5 Female 30-39
    56 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Elginko,

    Being a psych student you do realize that you`ve allowed someone else to get a rise out of you because that was what they wanted as a reaction? Only you can allow someone to make you angry, while I agree that anti-christian messages like any other anti-religious message is not very classy, this is IAB, if you`ve been here for 2 yrs then you`d know the type of humor bouncing around this site.
    Don`t allow others to cause you to be angry, that`s exactly what they want you to do.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Mamaof5, It is just sad that I am thinking of leaving a site that I have contributed to, and enjoyed for a while now, because they always post the same garbage. It is getting ridiculous, hurtful, and annoying to come here. I hate to leave a community that has provided so much enjoyment because they want more of the wrong kind of traffic.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    what!!!!!
  35. Profile photo of cheese6969
    cheese6969 Male 18-29
    522 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    I just love all these religious debates that seem to happen EVERY day now on I-A-B
  36. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    To clarify to some of the people reading my comments. I feel the message being spread continuously by IAB is becoming a message of bigotry and hate, that classifies all Christians as egocentric.

    I don`t like being stereotyped.
  37. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    Hey elkingo and JohnXian. I can employ rational thought and compassion with the best of them. I don`t do it because of God or Jesus, though, or anyone else but because I want to.

    However, I ask you this, kind Christians. Why is it that the church as a whole doesn`t act as you two do? You both seem reasonable, level-headed and kind. Why is it that the church encourages discrimination of gays (using one verse of Leviticus, but ignoring others about eating shell fish, stoning invirtuous wives, etc)? Why does the church now not follow verses allowing for slavery and subjugation of women, but, not even 100 years ago, used those very verses to encourage those practices?

    My point here is that there is plenty of reason to lash out at the church. What you have to realize is that you`re doing good for the church, but, there aren`t enough of you yet. Or, if there are, you guys aren`t speaking out enough to silence the idiots. Please do, though! We`ll all be better off!
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Who do you think runs those homeless shelters, orphanages, and missions and where do you think they get a lot of their funding?
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    Also, just stop with the Christian/anti-Christian debate. I used to get into it, but then realized that it`s pointless to argue when everybody`s mind is already made up.
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    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    haha, i dont go to church. dont really own "dress" clothes either. lotsa concert t`s tho \m/ STATIC X!!!!
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    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Why is IAB so anti-Christian?
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    I can`t remember the last time I`ve been to a "very nice" or "expensive" church. Then again, I`m not catholic.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    The problem isn`t with my beliefs, or anyone else`s beliefs. The problem lies with people whom hate. You fill your heart with hate, for one another and you end up with people who make comments that are designed to offend someone. Like claiming to celebrate by using the Lord`s name in vain.

    You should be ashamed of yourself, because that is a statement a troll would say. I may be `feeding` the troll here, but that comment is nothing but hatred.

    Why continue to perpetuate a hatred?

    If you don`t like my religion, or my faith, then go on about your business. Don`t let your life be filled with so much hate that you find you need to belittle someone else`s beliefs at every turn. You will find you will be much more happier when you stop concerning yourself with what other people think.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    Who do you think runs those homeless shelters, orphanages, and missions and where do you think they get a lot of their funding?
    Liberal atheists of course!
    /sarc off
  45. Profile photo of CinematicD
    CinematicD Female 18-29
    239 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    Jesus only helps those who help themselves...

    and besides, whoever spent their time creating this judgmental statement, used an expensive computer and possibly photoshop, in what i can only imagine to be a pleasant, air conditioned room with power.
  46. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    @smagboy1 I can`t answer for every Christian. Contrary to the common image as portrayed by the non Christian world, we are not all the same, we do not think the same nor do we all read the scriptures in the same way.

    But, I will also say, that many on the outside often confuse religious opinion with bigotry. Some Christians truly are bigots, and that is in itself sinful (Fred Phelps comes to mind, I consider his hatred to be utterly antiChrist).

    However other Christians merely believe one thing or another is wrong, and feel a responsibility to say as much (without crossing over into hatred or persecution). This in itself is not bigotry, though it is commonly portrayed as such.

    As for me, homosexuality is irrelevant to me, as all men are sinners, including myself, and whether or not homosexuality is a sin, God loves them just as much as he loves me, yet another sinner.

    The Gospel is for all men, and no sin is any more grievous than another.
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    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    @pui I`ve never seen a Megachurch that wasn`t protestant.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    JohnXian-

    1. I don`t think anyone gets a righteous fury response to this who agrees with it in any way.

    2. You acting like this is persecution makes it that much more amusing.

    3. Saying Christians are demonized for being "different" is a gross rationalization of why people have a negative view of Christianity and is absurd when christians make of the majority of religious believers in America.
  49. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Okay, how many of you people actually do anything for the homeless/needy?

    I see an equal amount of those with or without faith in soup kitchens or homeless shelters helping out, but I doubt many people running their mouths here on IAB actually give a crap about anyone less fortunate than they are. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE needs to get off their high horse and stop being so judgmental.
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    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    JohnXian, well I`ve never been to a "megachurch" lol. I don`t come from an overly religious area though. Most of our churches are dirt poor.
  51. Profile photo of mal_BB
    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    This is a post designed to start a flame war- i refuse to join the debate.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    "You fill your heart with hate, for one another and you end up with people who make comments that are designed to offend someone. Like claiming to celebrate by using the Lord`s name in vain."

    That wasn`t intended to offend someone- didn`t opie say that? That was to be humorous. Did Jesus take your sense of humour? I see where you`re coming from, but it`s not just IAB, it`s the entire internet. It`s an easy joke- and you`re kind of fuelling it by becoming so offended.

    Just relax guy, if you`re a decent Xn, then continue on as such. I don`t think any intelligent person thinks all Xns are evil hypocrites. It`s just an easy joke, and it`s Easter, so of course they`re coming.

    Also, this isn`t a Xn site. If you want to see loving religious messages from Jesus- you`re looking in the wrong place.
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    bluegaze5 Female 18-29
    62 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Yes Opie, that is EXACTLY how you celebrate it perfectly...at least that`s what I do. Whilst drinking beer. :) :)
  54. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Pui: I do.. to the tune of 15k a year. The job I took in the field of psychology should make around 39k a year. I get paid right at 24k a year. I took that job so I could help under privileged Appalachians make something better out of their lives.
  55. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Boadicea: This site isn`t associated with any religion, that doesn`t mean it should take a strict atheist view. It doesn`t mean it should constantly make fun of people of one style of life.

    In a way, IAB is becoming racists towards Christians.
  56. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    If it was intended to be funny, how come the only people laughing are the ones making the jokes?

    I certainly don`t find discrimination funny.
  57. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    @Brassbull I never used the word persecution. This is more of a petty swipe. American Christians who whine about persecution know nothing about the real persecution that happens world wide to their brothers and sisters. We here in the west have it sweet and I`m quite aware of that.

    regarding number three, i never claimed we were a poor minority. Rather, I claimed that SOME people like to mock anything that is different from them. Christians do it, Muslims do it, atheists do it, Whites do it, Blacks do it, Rich do it, Poor do it...

    Now, would you like to make any more assumptions about me based upon stereotypes?
  58. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    elkingo, it makes them feel better and entertains them. People want to see it, so they continue to post it. While I agree that it`s getting to the point of ridiculousness, it really is better to just turn the other cheek.
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    Hayllee Female 13-17
    459 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    I think everyone needs to stop replying to these posts. It`s disgusting how people can agree to disagree on non-religious posts, but if something like this is posted, we all get out our forum shield and sword. I-A-B is filling up with more and more bigot-like posts. I`ve seen no obvious posts complimenting the actual Christian, just bashing us all as if the psycho "Christian" group represents us all. There`s starting to be less entertaining things and more debating on here. Today one user was lost, and though no one cares, I just wanted to inform the mods that if it helps clear space or something, delete my account. I`m not coming here anymore.
  60. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    Elkingo - That`s truly awesome! there are plenty of christians out there who do not need this kind of slander directed at them, like you, but then there are a lot of christians who are just screaming to be mocked for how hypcritical they are. Don`t let yourself get caught in the cross fire and keep up the good work.
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    @pul

    The issue is that Christians are SUPPOSED to sell all their stuff and give it to the poor. extremely strictly speaking, of course.

    It`s the same for Jews, but they don`t have the same kind of "you MUST behave X,Y, and Z because GOD told you to" mentality. They are more "go with the flow, be a good person, don`t be a dick."

    And, I am assuming there are a lot of atheists in here also. they just do whatever they want because none of it REALLY matters
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    And dont talk about being discriminated against. it is a comical internet forum. trying being black in pre civil rights america, or jewish in pre WWII germany before you talk about being discriminated against.
  63. Profile photo of Crawdaddy197
    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
    353 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    "Okay, how many of you people actually do anything for the homeless/needy? "

    Hmmm well, as an agnostic, My latest act of service was feeding the homeless at a shelter last Wednesday. Considering I have bills up the caboose and debt up to my eyeballs I still do what I can to help where I can. I don`t boast about it at all, but since you asked.
  64. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    @Brassbull What if i said something along the lines of "all atheists are hedonists with no view of morality or ethics?" Would it be okay with you if I later stated that "well actually i know a few atheists who are okay, I don`t mean them"?

    Would that make it okay that I made a broad condemnation of an entire group based on the behavior of only some members of that group?

  65. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    Not sure where you think I am stereotyping, but your beliefs can`t be described as different if the majority of americans share those same beliefs. That was my point. And you never used the word persecution, but then you didn`t need to.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    ANYTHING called a `mega` whatever, be it a church, a store, a mall or some other structure; is overly self involved and is prone to ridicule and stupefaction. And in the end becomes a whelming failure to its original purpose.
  67. Profile photo of Ando
    Ando Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    every religion is wrong :D
  68. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    hyybrucewayn: How about the fact that I am discriminated today because I am part Cherokee? Or how about because I am an Appalachian? I see discrimination every day, so don`t tell me what I can and cannot feel because I am not "black" or "Jewish".

    Discrimination is wrong, no matter on what level.
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    incubus_inc Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    @ Hayllee : Here, here.
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    polskapoop Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    not a very good post...
  71. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Elkingo - "If this thought doesn`t pertain to you, you have nothing to worry about..." The girl who posted this put that there for people like you. Just consider yourself the happy exception to the rule. If you wanna get pissed about it, that`s fine too.

    .......a girl posted this, right?
  72. Profile photo of appledoc
    appledoc Male 50-59
    28 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Just a quiet little thought in the midst of all the shouting...

    There are people who CLAIM to be Christians, regardless of how they act. There are people who ACT like Christains, regardless of what they claim. This holds true for any philosophy or faith, btw...

    RELIGION - what`s in your heart - can be a force for good or evil. RELIGIONS... well, any organisation tends to end up self-serving no matter what lofty principles it claimed in the beginning. That never works out well for anybody except a few boss-types.

    And a question for the `enlightened` amongst you: at what point does your belief in YOUR rightness become... religion?

    Just sayin`...
  73. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    "In a way, IAB is becoming racists towards Christians."

    Wow yeah you`re right. I mean aside from Christian not being a race and this being a ridiculous joke post that isn`t in any way offensive to anybody, sure.
  74. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Wow, Brass, an entire post of mine, responding to you simply disappeared out of nowhere.

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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    John, are you accusing me of something? Or are you accusing the mods or whoever edits this site?
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    Crabcakes Male 30-39
    226 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    I much prefer my view of Apathetic Agnosticism: The view that there`s no proof of either the existence or not of God or gods, but since any God or gods that may exist appear unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic anyway.

    Keeps me sane, and out of the God v. No God arguments.
  77. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    @brassbull, to summarize my disappearing post, which i put a lot of effort into....

    If i said "all atheists are morally empty and lacking in basic human decency" but then said "except for a couple" would that be okay? No it wouldn`t.

    And honestly, we are not the "happy exception" either. Most Christians are not the angry, hatefilled, rich and heartless bastards that make the news and fill the worst parts of the internet.

    I would argue we are the majority that no one knows anything about, because we aren`t screaming in your face.
  78. Profile photo of JohnXian
    JohnXian Male 18-29
    40 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    @brassbull not making an accusation at all, just frustrated, put a lot of time into that post and wanted to let you know I wasn`t ignoring you.
  79. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    The problem is stereotyping and grouping of individuals.

    Within my community there are 3,000 people. Yeah, I live in a rural area. The average income in my area is 28k a year. 29% of my neighbors are below the poverty line.

    The religious make up of my community includes: Baptists (mainly), Methodists, Catholics, Jewish, Church of God, Pentecostals, Atheists, Agnostics, Indian Religions, Pagans, Masonic Order, and many many others not listed on Census websites.

    I come from a diverse community, and the only people in my community who help one another are the people who are involved with a Church. Simply calling me a "Christian" and saying that I am not different than other "Christians" is both degrading and belittling.
  80. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    Brass, but that is the thing, it does pertain to me. It does offend me. Any time someone insults my God, regardless of their intentions of being "funny", it hurts me.

    My God is good to me, loves me, and blesses me daily. I take offense to someone belittling Him in the pursuit of some lulz.
  81. Profile photo of hyybrucewayn
    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    @ elkingo
    That`s fine, but it`s not because your christian.
    that`s my point
    of course discrimination is evil. but this post is not an example of "modern trends toward anti christian discrimination," as it sounds like many people are trying to claim it is.
    If this really offends your christianity, then you need to go outside for a little while, and stop taking the internet so seriously.

    and as a side note, here is another thought. As a Cherokee, you have every right to feel discriminated against, by the imperialistic Christians who took your land and raped your culture. isn`t it hard to be a passionate Cherokee and a passionate Christian at the same time? lol

    I know this is only going to make you more angry. of course anyone can follow any religion they want, but it all supports me point. THIS post, may make fun of christians, but come on. give it a rest. no one discriminating against you outside of this little bubble
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    See, people expect Christians to be better people. We`re not. Becoming Christian in no way made us better. We`re average people with different beliefs. The reason why we think we need to believe is because EVERYONE is bad, so if Christianity doesn`t turn humanity bad, humanity itself has problems. If every Christian turned athiest, I don`t think the morality of the world would get any better.

    but why argue, nobody will listen. we`re all close minded in our own little ways.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    @ Hayllee
    You are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to believe in what they want. That is, to atheists at least, one of the great gifts of freedom and I respect it. I won`t judge you on your beliefs and I expect not to be judged back. This post is not aimed at people that do their part for the community, and help others as much as they can. Nobody is saying "live in poverty" right, but still so many americans claim to have found jesus, but dont do any community work, or donate to charities. I don`t like the church, but if I saw my local one start to do community service stuff then i`d sure as poo help out. The fact that so many christian americans dont put in the effort when they think they are "better people" for going to and donating to a nice church speaks for itself. Its the lack of commitment to a cause that is being preached -every weekend- and yet ignored by millions that is the subject of this post. Not christian bashing, big difference.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    hyybrucewayn:

    Don`t be ignorant, Cherokee is a race, not a religion.

    No, I am not angry, I am offended.

    This post is exactly that, It is a model of trends towards people finding it `ok` to discriminate against one group, but don`t say anything bad about blacks, jews, women, or gays!

    If I made a post making fun of any of those groups, I would be banhammered.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    John - that sucks that your post was lost. You make a good point that those christians who don`t represent what is negative and sometimes hypocritical about christianity are, possibly, a minority. And I say possibly because no one could ever quantify how many christians work for the good of those around them vs those who use christianity for completely selfish purposes. But the post says millions of christians, not ALL christians.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    Easter Bunny... Religion is funny
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    horror102 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    To the non-nice individual that wrote that. Go [email protected] yourself
    how much time do you spend helping your fellow man.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    Elkingo, this post does not belittle god, it belittles people who call themselves christians but do not really act christian. There are a LOT of said people out there and you should not be offended by people calling them on their BS.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    Christian Groups who work for free, and tirelessly to benefit my community:

    http://www.operationunite.org/

    Operation UNITE - working to rid my community of drugs.

    http://www.christianapp.org/

    Christian Appalachian Project - working for free to provide food, Christmas presents, clothing, furniture and other needs to needy families. They never once preach to people. They freely donate.

    http://www.kceoc.com/

    Kentucky Communities Economic Opportunity Council - while not expressively a Christian group, they are ran by 100% Christians. They provide shelter for women, children, and other homeless people. They train people to work, give out food, and help the community pay electric bills in the cold of winter.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    @caboose 117

    We don`t expect you to be better people because you are christian, we expect you to have some balls and follow the positive message that the church has such a great potential to deliver to millions and millions of people. It does to some extent, but then millions of people squander this opportunity to actually make such a huge difference to people that need the help. Does the fact that im atheist mean I dont follow these morals? Not at all, I dontate to charities all the time. If I had time and not money, id donate that. How you act makes you a good / bad person. The difference between atheists and christians is most atheists understand that freedom of belief is sacrosanct, and most christians dont.
  91. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    The post itself insults Christians in general. Why should we not be allowed to dress up and celebrate the rising of our Lord and Savior?

    The worst part about it, however, is that people get on here and make insulting comments about God.

    I find the whole post offensive.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    I find your low tolerance to offensive humour offensive.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    Awesome Elkingo, really. Its always cool to see what kind of work is actually going on to better the world :) the poster is not bashing christians that do the work, its bashing christians that dont. Its like if there were a post that said the same thing about atheists, I wouldnt get offended because im an atheist, i would call the other ateists out on their bullpoo
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    SoldierDave Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    "This post is exactly that, It is a model of trends towards people finding it `ok` to discriminate against one group, but don`t say anything bad about blacks, jews, women, or gays!"

    Great point. There are a bunch of funny material out there on the web that does not discriminate any major group of people. You guys find it A-OK to discriminate against Christians, but its taboo to discriminate gays, blacks, etc. Seriously IAB, smarten up. Discrimination is NOT funny.
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    @ elkingo

    Dude, I am not ignorant. Race, Religion, Whatever. A strict member of the Cherokee nation cannot also be a Christian. Of course in realty they can be, as you are, but the Christians KILLED YOUR PEOPLE AND STOLE YOUR LAND. all because you wouldn`t convert and join their society. that, my friend, is discrimination.

    Now, in realty, I know that those lines are easily and innocently crossed. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that.

    However, a post on the internet, one obviously aimed at starting a flame war and clearly not about you (judging from your detailed description of your community), is NOT discrimination.

    and you`re wrong about the modern trends thing. America has always had plenty of discrimination. The internet just makes it easier to find. That and you are probably just becoming old enough to see and understand it.
  96. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    There are people who ACT like Christains, regardless of what they claim.

    I`m curious as to what you mean by that sentence. I see two interpretations:

    i) You`re refering to people who are Christians but claim they aren`t because Christianity is forbidden where they live.

    ii) You`re claiming various considerate, decent behaviour as being Christian regardless of who does it.

    As I see it, to act like a Christian means having faith in the Abrahamic god and in the Christ as a mortal embodiment of that god, or at least as a holy messenger of that god. That`s what Christianity is, so anything else is not necessarily anything to do with Christianity.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    Appledoc - "And a question for the `enlightened` amongst you: at what point does your belief in YOUR rightness become... religion?`

    Answer - When we can no longer test those "beliefs" to arrive at a conclusion with overwhelming certainty.
  98. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    Well Christianity, in essence, is partly being "Christ-LIKE". Many people claim to be followers of Jesus, but do not practice what he taught.
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    I should have said "this post is not Discrimination to the same extent." this is harmless fun.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    "I find your low tolerance to offensive humour offensive."

    Hahahahahahaha
  101. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    The post itself insults Christians in general. Why should we not be allowed to dress up and celebrate the rising of our Lord and Savior?

    The worst part about it, however, is that people get on here and make insulting comments about God.

    I find the whole post offensive.

    I find your baseless accusations of irrational prejudice offensive.

    The post does not insult Christians in general.

    It does not say Christians shouldn`t dress up and celebrate what they think is the anniversary of the resurrection of their central holy figure.

    It is not irrational prejudice.

    I could fill dozens of IAB posts with insulting comments about your god *from your own holy book*, so you`re clutching at straw there.
  102. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Uh, yeah you certainly can be both a Christian, and a Cherokee.. neither group of people discriminate.
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    MountainBord Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    yea well we arent all like that ay?
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    I agree, after reading the picture again, it seems more like it is making a mockery of people who go to church to learn to be like Christ, but then as soon as they leave those church walls, they forget what being like Christ is really about.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    I suppose I shouldn`t be offended that my religion, and way of life is being made fun of. Silly me.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    elkingo, you`re not the type of christian the photo is making a mockery of. It is only those who use this image to fuel some stereotype that ALL christians are fat, rich and don`t practice what they preach that are actually annoying. The photo itself isn`t really all the offensive... in the end you shouldn`t let it bug you as much as it is. I mean this with your best interest in mind.
  107. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    We have to lead perfect lives as Christians. Down to every last detail. To go to church, we have to stop and make sure our neighbor doesn`t need to borrow a 20, make sure the orphans are fed, help the homeless build a house, career, and a life, make sure that someone isn`t using drugs, also.. we can`t ever break a single solitary rule in the Bible, US constitution, or any other law. We have to wear rags, and drive a car on it`s last legs.

    When we finally do get to Church, we can`t donate to the Lord, sing his praise too loudly.. it might offend the atheist down the street, preach to the lost, witness His glory, or tell people in general how nice it is to be a Christian. It might offend someone.

    Oh yeah, and if someone does want to make fun of our lifestyle.. shrug it off. It doesn`t mean a thing to you. Christians aren`t supposed to be offended.. because you know.. there are a lot of you.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Are you having a stroke right now?
  109. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    It is offensive.

    Who ran the survey in the upper middle class to find out exactly how much they did donate? There are people in my faith that have problems. But making those broad generalizations offend people. That is my point.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    And, I am assuming there are a lot of atheists in here also. they just do whatever they want because none of it REALLY matters

    Your opinion of atheists is wrong to the point of being ridiculous.

    Do you really think that all atheists are sociopathic nihilists?

    Seriously?

    If so, how do you manage to square that ludicrous belief with reality?

    Logically, being an atheist would usually mean regarding life on Earth as being *more* important because that`s all there is. If you believe in a religion with an eternal afterlife, that afterlife should seem more important than mortal life. If you don`t, then mortal life should take a higher precedence.

    In my experience, it doesn`t really make any difference. People are considerate or not, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    Boadicea, nope.. I am as cool as a cucumber. I might seem high strung, but it is quite the opposite. I just like to argue and debate. Doesn`t raise my blood pressure in the slightest.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    @JohnXian, I appreciate your answer, but my observations still stand. When you claim to be a Christian (in other words, as part of your identity), then you choose to associate yourself with Christian dogma. Christian dogma, as expressed by the church, is not just anti-gay as a simple belief. It goes out and advocates for changing laws to discriminate against gays! It actively sets out to affect people who are not even part of the church?! So, even though you`re offended by this post, and I do sympathize with that offense, I have to encourage you to just live with it because, well, your philosophical brethren are out there, using your belief system as a basis for inflicting discrimination upon gays. Not just stating beliefs, they`re actually out there trying to affect law over other people, people who are not Christians and in no way affect their lives. That, my friend, is worthy condemnation, and I will take every opportunity to do so until the church (and Christians) stop it.
  113. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    of course, there are just so damn many atheists organizations feeding the hungry (are there any? - if so, why aren`t they on the `net/) and sheltering the poor . . .

    my church feeds shares a hot lunch program with several other congregations, though we are the smallest, we provide volunteers and space two days a week. No atheist group participates, even financially. At Christmas we gave toys and clothes to nearly a thousand low-income children, and will be giving the same children individually packed easter baskets - without the help of any atheist group.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    elkingo, Matthew 5:11-12. I wish you would leave this post :\... I really do mean that with your best interests in mind.
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm

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    lockedup Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    I`m a Christian and this is so true. I don`t remember the last time I dressed up to go to church... lol
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    shappy Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    if you dont believe in god or jesus then you shouldnt get the day off, end of story
  118. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    Who ran the survey in the upper middle class to find out exactly how much they did donate? There are people in my faith that have problems. But making those broad generalizations offend people. That is my point.

    Can you honestly state that *what was actually stated in the post* is not true?

    It certainly looks true to me, and not just for the USA. I`ve even heard of a Christian cleric preaching the same message in his church (from one of his congregation, who agreed with him).

    Note that I`m referring to what is actually in the post, not the stuff you`ve said is in it (but isn`t).
  119. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    SmagBoy1, sure. You make a good point. I can make the same generalization for blacks.. who are so poor they resort to drugs and thievery.. I can make the generalization that all blacks steal.

    I can make the generalization that because some Jewish people are business tycoons, they are all greedy.

    I can make the generalization that since some women are opinionated, they are all gossips.

    That doesn`t make it right.
  120. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    elkingo, no one, and I mean NO ONE, is condemning your right to worship in your own church. To claim "atheists" get angry because you worship too loudly is absurd. What "atheists" get pissy about is when you try to take your religious beliefs OUT of your churches and into public schools and into public laws and into the running of the government. That`s where the problem is. That`s where the offense is produced.
  121. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    " When you claim to be a Christian (in other words, as part of your identity), then you choose to associate yourself with Christian dogma."

    This is prejudice.

    There is no single Christian dogma. There are hundreds of denominations, with an enormous variety of positions on every relevant subject - including denominations and sub-denominations that reject `homosexuality is sin`.


    Atheists opining about religion as exactly equivalent to celibate priests opining on sex: Both speak from self-imposed ignorance.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    Exactly. Do you realize how many different types of Christians there are? Liberal, Conservative, Gay, Straight, male, female, handicapped, poor, rich... what have you.

    Also, MY church is certainly not anti-homosexuality. I wouldn`t take part in a church that was.
  123. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    pui, thanks =) I respond with Matthew 5:6

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Actually, elkingo, you making those generalizations is ignorant beyond belief because those generalizations (other than the Jewish one) are being made about those that have no choice about the characteristic you`re generalizing! You have a choice about being a Christian. Since that`s true, and since I hold your organization to a standard of civil responsibility, then, as a member, I see nothing wrong with expecting you to speak out against the dogmatic, systematic, wholly scripturally-inconsistent discrimination of gays in your church. The difference is that you have a choice.
  125. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    I didn`t choose to be Christian, God chose me.
  126. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    "Atheists opining about religion as exactly equivalent to celibate priests opining on sex: Both speak from self-imposed ignorance."

    That`s a generalization too. A lot of atheists are lapsed (insert religion here)s. So to assume all atheists are ignorant about religion is... ignorant.
  127. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    So if you choose to be Christian you choose to be discriminated against? Uhhh...

    You have a choice in being atheist, so I should be able to make broad generalizations about you? Where is the logic in this?
  128. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    "When we finally do get to Church, we can`t donate to the Lord, sing his praise too loudly.. it might offend the atheist down the street, preach to the lost, witness His glory, or tell people in general how nice it is to be a Christian."

    We`re not lost, we`ve just heard it all.....a LOT.......from many different people.....our whole lives. You can still witness his glory whenever you have the time. You can still even tell people how great it is, just don`t try and convince them to believe what you believe because they may not want to. If you get anything out of this whole exchange it`s that when you do that, it`s insulting. You should already know that if you have native american blood in you.
  129. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    What I did choose in life, was to serve God, and to defend faith. I will do so until the day I die.
  130. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    of course, there are just so damn many atheists organizations feeding the hungry (are there any? - if so, why aren`t they on the `net/) and sheltering the poor . . .

    Yes there are and yes they are on the net. You just don`t count them because they don`t proclaim themselves as atheist groups.

    You`re making a false parallel. There are hardly any atheist groups and they exist primarily for lobbying.

    You`re also missing the main point of the OP - the hypocrisy in preaching something and not doing it. That can`t apply to atheism.

    If you want an example, try the biggest homeless charity and advocacy group in the UK, Shelter:

    http://england.shelter.org.uk/

    Look all you like - you won`t find any religion. No doubt some of the people who work for Shelter are theists, but the organisation isn`t.
  131. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Brassbull, I agree with you on that. I witness, but never ask people to convert. I tell people the wonderful things the Lord has done for me, but before I do that, I listen to what they believe. I never impose my beliefs on others.
  132. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Atheists opining about religion as exactly equivalent to celibate priests opining on sex: Both speak from self-imposed ignorance.

    You are confusing lack of faith with lack of knowledge. The two are quite different.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Heureux, forgive my ignorance, but, I`m pretty sure that the Bible is, in fact, the scriptural base of the Christian religion.

    pui, you can claim a wondrous, beautiful, non-discriminatory church all you want. The proof is in the pudding. Look at exit polls, look at donations given against gay rights bills, look at those who speak out on camera, about "the real America". I`m not saying it`s you, or even your individual church, but where are you and your church when others are doing it? They are doing it in YOUR GOD`s name?! Using the YOUR GOD`s BIBLE as the foundation for their vitriol and hate. You can deny association all you want, and if your church IS active in condemning anti-gay demonstrations, I`ll stand corrected. But, in this, I`ve found myself correct much more often than not. Plenty of churches have been happy to condemn Fred Phelps and his lunacy. Why not condemn anti-gay discrimination? Because it`s generally part of the dogma. Like it or not.
  134. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    did it ever occur to you that some atheists are homophobes? Maybe a lot of christians are anti-gay marriage, but that shouldn`t mean you can judge ALL christians because of the majority.
  135. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    It is not one Christian`s (or one church`s for that matter) responsibility to make sure that people don`t fight for what they believe in. I thought that was what America was founded on? Freedom.

    Or did you forget about the Bill of Rights?

    People have the right to get on the street and voice their opinion, and there are enough people out there on both sides of the debate with out adding to the mix.

    I am sure there are some gays out there, that want the rights associated with marriage, but don`t want to be part of the church, but you don`t see people making that point.
  136. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    "...but you don`t see people making that point."

    Since when? I hear people making that point all the time.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    If you`re upper class, why would you drive past all that garbage to get to church?
    Wouldn`t it stand to reason that a "very expensive and nice church" would be in your own neighborhood?
    Am I missing something here?
  138. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    pui said: You have a choice in being atheist, so I should be able to make broad generalizations about you? Where is the logic in this?

    Pui, there is no overarching dogma in being an atheist. There is no core set of beliefs. The ONLY requirement in being an atheist is to not believe in God. That`s it. But event that`s beside the point. If you can find a common thread among atheists and you want to make broad generalizations about us that are true, be my guest. Just be ready to back up your statements with fact. I can back up mine with real data. As I say, look at exit polls, look at donations, look at those fighting gay rights. Who are they? Almost 100% of the time, they are self-identified Christians. I know that might hurt, but it`s the truth and easily verifiable. I`m not here just spouting belief, I`ve got the facts on my side. Take it or leave it.
  139. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Boadicea, I meant in the context of this forum.. the two primary groups are gays who want marriage and the rights, and Christians who don`t want them to have that.

    There are also, gays who want just the rights associated with marriage, Christians who agree with them, Gay Christians, etc etc.

    But, that is sorta a tangent.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    That`s why I rejected Christianity about 8 years ago; I started noticing the hypocrisy of it all.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    pui, I don`t judge ANY Christians! I think that I`ve been very clear, from the beginning, that I blame "the church" and it`s dogma. I don`t judge individuals. But, I do judge organizations that purport to be about love and peace who then encourage hate and discrimination amongst members. And I only do it using the facts. How is that problematic?
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    You said that Christians should accept being stereotyped because of some central "church" (which really does not even exist, btw.)
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    "I meant in the context of this forum.. "

    Oh okay, my bad ha.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Saying that one chooses to believe something, and then must be held accountable for said belief is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. People don`t choose to believe anything. They gather information through the senses, and then beliefs are obtained by association of knowledge, cognition, and emotions associated with theory. That goes for every single belief, whether religious, scientific, or otherwise.

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    April 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    "pui, I don`t judge ANY Christians! I think that I`ve been very clear, from the beginning, that I blame "the church" and it`s dogma. I don`t judge individuals. But, I do judge organizations that purport to be about love and peace who then encourage hate and discrimination amongst members. And I only do it using the facts. How is that problematic?"

    Then what do you surmise about atheists?
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    elkingo said, "It is not one Christian`s (or one church`s for that matter) responsibility to make sure that people don`t fight for what they believe in."

    Actually, I would think it *should* be the church`s responsibility! I mean, if its members are out there spreading hate and discrimination in the name of the church, why *wouldn`t* it be the church`s responsibility to stop them? Especially when the gays aren`t hurting those church goers. Not affecting them one little bit! The only reason the church doesn`t stop them (remember,it does eagerly condemn Fred Phelps) is because it agrees with the anti-gay message. That`s essentially a logical proof right there, but, as I`ve mentioned exit polls, donations, etc., are the actual proof.
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:13 pm

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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    lol win.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    elkingo, atheists don`t believe in god. That`s it? What else is there to surmise?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    "Actually, I would think it *should* be the church`s responsibility!"

    Why do you make such broad unconstitutional accusations?
  151. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Christians believe in Jesus Christ.

    That is the only thing that ALL christians have in common. The rest is up to the individual and separate denominations. There is no conglomerate "church" that denotes the beliefs we must have.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    "elkingo, atheists don`t believe in god. That`s it? What else is there to surmise?"

    You can make very broad generalizations about a Christian, but you can`t make broad generalizations about atheists.

    I think I just won the argument with you.. Do you not see how that is discrimination?
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    "Christians believe in Jesus Christ."

    That`s the only universal commonality between all Christians, yes, but in general you cannot say that that is all that Christianity entails. Belief in no gods is all Atheism entails.

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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    My point is that you can make no assumption for ALL christians except that they believe in Jesus.
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    But what I think the point being made was that you can make generalizations of Christianity as a whole. You can make assumptions about the organization. I know, as most Atheists should admit, that no two Christians are alike and so I don`t judge individuals. But the organization does have certain ostensible characteristics that can be judged.
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    Again, I`m only stating what I reckon the church, an organization that preaches love and peace, should do to have some sort of legitimacy as an actual love and peace organization.
  157. Profile photo of ApostleT
    ApostleT Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    I`ll throw my two cents in here and let it get swept up into the debate haha.

    As a Christian myself, I find absolutely nothing wrong with this post, save for the language at the end. And I say that, because on one level I have to agree with it. The Christians of the world are moving farther and farther away from what it means to be a Christian on a basic level. As Mark Hall put it once, "people aren`t confused by the Gospel, they`re confused by us." Our lives, our actions, our interactions, and everything in between are supposed to be shining examples of the life our Saviour would like for us to lead. A Christ-like life. Yet we`ve strayed so far from it. So far, to the point that sweeping generalizations like the one made in this post seem less and less like the exception, and more the rule.

    It`s becoming a truth for Christians across the world. Not for all, but for a lot. And it`s a shame. Again, I say that as a Christian, I appreciate this posts point.
  158. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    There is no one christian "organization" that denotes everything christianity stands for. There are thousands and thousands of church communities and denominations. There are thousands out there that do promote peace and generosity. "THE church" you`re describing does not exist.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    Do you disagree that there are several identifying characteristics of Christianity as whole?
    Like what?
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    "People don`t choose to believe anything. They gather information through the senses, and then beliefs are obtained by association of knowledge, cognition, and emotions associated with theory. That goes for every single belief, whether religious, scientific, or otherwise."

    You just contradicted yourself. You say people do not make choices about what to believe, and then describe the process by which they choose to believe certain things. It goes both ways, some beliefs we are indoctrinated with and some beliefs we arrrive at on our own.
  161. Profile photo of NottaSpy
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    elkingo said, "Saying that one chooses to believe something, and then must be held accountable for said belief is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. People don`t choose to believe anything. They gather information through the senses, and then beliefs are obtained by association of knowledge, cognition, and emotions associated with theory."

    You left one very important aspect of belief out of your post. We evaluate what we absorb through our senses. It is those judgments that key to the decision making process. When you add that aspect, your argument fails miserably. You make a choice to ignore what that which disagrees with your currently held view of the world. You do it because you are human. Everybody does it. So, yes, you do choose to believe something. BTW, that is why Christians are called ignorant. They must ignore a great deal of sensory input in order to not shake their religious beliefs.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Pui - "I think he meant they do not choose to believe on a whim."

    Thanks for clarifying, I can see how I read that wrong now. But I disagree with that too. If someoe hears something that fits in logically with a prior belief structure, they could very well choose to believe it on a whim. I know I am guilty of that at times. If I hear a recent scientific study was conducted that seems to support the theory of evolution, I`ll accept it at face value without taking the time to read what the study said. Our beliefs are just that, they are not necessarily true and often are the results of modeling, a term elkingo should be familiar with. Humans have a strong tendency to reject beliefs that contradict what they were taught to believe their whole life. Taught is the wrong word; beliefs upon which they modeled themselves in creating a sense of self.
  163. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    They must ignore a great deal of sensory input in order to not shake their religious beliefs.
    I was atheist my whole life and became christian at the age of 21. I didn`t stop seeing what I saw before. I didn`t suddenly decide to up and pretend that some things aren`t true so that it would mold to christianity. Infact, I was very reluctant to believe in it at all. However, upon reviewing the everything and thinking about it a lot, logically, I came to the personal conclusion that christianity is closer to the truth. I have questioned my own faith repeatedly since then, and so far it hasn`t lost when presented with logic and new questions. Insult me all you will for that, but I probably have thought about the whole thing much longer and harder than you have.
  164. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Just because you used to be an atheist, doesn`t mean you were scientifically literate. Nor does it mean you now have any idea why the Bible can`t be a reflection of reality.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    No, what I mean on the choice matter may need some clarification.

    I don`t think people choose to believe the same way they choose to eat pizza for lunch.

    You have to have a series of sensory input, register that sensory input, and collect data over years, compile it, and make sense of it. It isn`t so much of a choice to believe one thing over another. I can`t simply ignore data and cognition in my brain to choose to believe gravity doesn`t exist. I have to base what I believe of off learned knowledge, sensory input, and cognition. it isn`t so much of a choice, but of a developed tendency.

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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    NottaSpy, cognition is how we think about things..
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    I can`t prove it to you over the internet, but I am a quite intelligent person, scientifically minded, and a very critical thinker.

    Also, you seriously think that proving to myself that the bible could be a reflection of reality wasn`t one of the first things I tested?
  168. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    pui, do you believe every word of the Bible? Do you believe in science? If yes to both, then how do you resolve the obvious inconsistencies between them and the obvious contradictions of the Bible? I would very much like to hear this, because it has never been done in the history of the Bible.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    I`m not going to go over all the nuances of my faith and why I believe what I do here. First of all, it would take me no less than a few days to go over it all, and secondly I`m pretty sure nobody here actually wants to listen.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    I urge you to research it yourself. I don`t care what conclusion you come up with, but you should try reading something that isn`t biased to either side.
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    NottaSpy: You`re being an idiot. You don`t need to take the bible literally to be believe in God or be Xn or whatever. It`s an allegory. Maybe some people take it literally, but you`re assuming everybody does and need to prove everything said in the bible to justify their faith. You`re being as creepy and dogmatic as the religious nuts you hate so much.
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    JohnXian Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Okay, the tattoo list cinches it. I at first thought it was mere insensitivity, I`m now convinced its intentional.

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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    lol, it`s definitely intentional.
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    rushian Female 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    What happened to politics and religion not being discussed in polite company, ie with strangers?
  175. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    It died with the invention of the internet :P
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    I have researched it. I have researched Science, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Meditation, homeopathy, Ghosts, UFOs, ESP, etc.

    Back to Christianity. There are 3 choices, you either believe in 100% of the Bible, in which case you can`t explain why scientific evidence disproves a vast amount of it. 2nd option is that you pick and choose sections to believe and chalk the rest up to parables and misinterpretation, in which case you are either ignorant of the Bible or twisting it to what you want to believe. Or 3rd, you do not believe in the Bible. Note: this has nothing to do with with the existence of God or being a good person.
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    rushian Female 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    "It died with the invention of the internet :P"

    Sad.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Nottaspy, that`s nice.

    It`s pointless to discuss this here. If you actually, ACTUALLY want to discuss it with me, than email me or something.
  179. Profile photo of geckoi
    geckoi Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    "We`re not lost, we`ve just heard it all.....a LOT.......from many different people.....our whole lives. You can still witness his glory whenever you have the time. You can still even tell people how great it is, just don`t try and convince them to believe what you believe because they may not want to. If you get anything out of this whole exchange it`s that when you do that, it`s insulting. You should already know that if you have native american blood in you."

    So how come most atheists try to tell me to believe in what they want? You all say "don`t tell me I what should believe" then turn around and tell me I`m wrong and that I should`nt believe in God, hypocrite much?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    NottaSpy:

    4) You have a natural instinct towards believing there is something greater than yourself, and you read the bible as an allegory for the struggles between good and evil blah blah blah and find comfort and happiness in it.

    Not all religious people are running around stringing up gays in trees. Get a clue.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Nottaspy, that`s nice.

    It`s pointless to discuss this here. If you actually, ACTUALLY want to discuss it with me, than email me or something.
  182. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Boadicea, I never said anything about the existence of God. I have no idea if there is a God, and I really don`t care. As long as someones interpretation of the Bible is used to create laws in my country, I will continue to point out the Bibles absurdity.
  183. Profile photo of rushian
    rushian Female 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    "So how come most atheists try to tell me to believe in what they want? You all say "don`t tell me I what should believe" then turn around and tell me I`m wrong and that I should`nt believe in God, hypocrite much?"

    This. Pushing atheism is just as bad as if not worse than pushing any religion.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    People who bicker about religion, or lack of it, are idiots.

    Believe what you want.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    I agree. My friends and I got insulted and bullied in a public park once while we were just sitting there quietly discussing the bible with each other. It was so bad we ended up having to leave. I don`t bug you, so why the heck do you bug me?

    Also, I definitely do not think laws should reflect any religion. I am christian, but I understand that not everyone is.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    Boadicea, I don`t care of you believe in God or the Bible as long as you keep it to yourself. It sounds like that what you do, so I have no issue with you, and you should have no issue with this thread.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    My becoming homeless and poor does not help the homeless and poor.

    Don`t just give people fish, TEACH THEM TO FISH.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    why are so many posts getting doubled?
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    Calderis Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    Everyone`s a hypocrit. Everyone lies. STFU please, and thank you.
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    So, pui and elkingo, if no one single church exists (and I can buy that idea, no problem), shouldn`t churches (as in, plural) speak out against discrimination since it`s being done in "their" name? I mean, as I mentioned, it`s "churches" that spend money and speak out against gay rights and lie and propagandize in order to get discriminatory laws on the books. There`s no getting around that. It`s fact.

    So, let`s say some idiot gets on a loud speaker at Wal-mart and says "Attention Wal-mart shoppers. All blacks leave the store! You are not welcome here!" Should Wal-mart just say, "Dudes, that wasn`t one of our employees who said that, so don`t be all harsh on us! Geez!"? Or, being responsible, since someone used their good name to promote hatred, should they condemn that hate speech?

    To me,the choice is simple.
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    In my case, I walk to my very small church building where I gather with a bunch of poor desert people, fetal alcohol people, and former drug addicts and teach them about being more like Jesus. But yeah, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen do exist.
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    geckoi, true atheists don`t give a rip what you believe. Atheism is not a movement. It doesn`t have any overarching themes or beliefs. There`s no membership, no unifying code, no singular entity or belief system. It`s absurd to speak about atheists as anything more than individuals.

    Even though Christianity *does* have a common set of beliefs, dogma, teachings, beliefs and "laws", I still try to never judge individual Christians as such. But, I do, as stated earlier, have expectations of "the church" (define that however you like) to not bring hate and discrimination in the name of love and peace.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Your analogy puts people in a specific store context. Lets make it more broad like your implications. If the same thing happened, should k-mart, lowes, home-depot, mcdonalds, hardees, etc, all come to walmart, and make an announcement that they are not discriminatory?
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    mercedzdanz Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Actually, the original poster is a Christian, and I think this message can serve as a wake-up call for Christians to really act out their faith. Thanks for this post.
  195. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    Nope. Your analogy is like different faiths. In this case, I`m speaking about Christians as they equal Wal-Mart. Lowe`s, McDondald`s etc., would be Islam, Judaism, etc.

    In my analogy, Wal-Mart, the Corporation, came out against the hate speak. You`re purposefully skirting the issue, though, and I understand why. But, we both know the truth. I`ve demonstrated it. The facts support me, and I`m fine with that. As such, I will continue to speak out. And one day, just like "the church" did with racism and sexism, anti-gay discrimination will become taboo, too. Sadly, though, for now, Christianity continues to be used as a platform for it--and "many" in the church support that view.
  196. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    geckoi - "So how come most atheists try to tell me to believe in what they want? You all say "don`t tell me I what should believe" then turn around and tell me I`m wrong and that I should`nt believe in God, hypocrite much?"

    It`s wrong if anyone tries to tell you what to believe. It does not matter who does it. Btw, are you calling me a hypocrite because I told you to respect others beliefs and some other atheist told you not to believe in god.....cause thats retarded.
  197. Profile photo of elkingo
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    Ohhhh.. no no.. in my analogy, they are all representative of different Christian types.. Pentecostal, Catholic, Baptist, Southern Baptist, etc.

    You are saying that they should all appear and speak in defense of their specific beliefs, regardless.

    It just doesn`t work that way, and no one would expect people to be that way.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    I see, so, even though you use the same Bible, same believe in Jesus as the son of God, same set of rules and structure, you are as different one from the other as Lowe`s is to McDonald`s? And, so, the ones of you who believe gay discrimination and have been clear about it(Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, etc.) are wrong? If you`re willing to say that, that you`re not part of those groups, then, more power to you! What are we carrying on about?
  199. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    No, I am saying that because something happens within a church that I am not even a member at makes a decision, based off of information in that state, church, society, and culture, that I have no information about - that doesn`t make me responsible to go there, and make uneducated statements concerning their culture, society, church, faith, morals, ethics, lives, etc.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    As a matter of fact, it isn`t a moral obligation for me to even state my opinion on controversial topics. It is my freedom within this country to do so if I please.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    Do you want me to play music with that tap dancing, or do you have that covered?
  202. Profile photo of NottaSpy
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    SmagBoy1, Christians don`t have a Bible passage to point to in order to promote racism or sexism, but they can point to passages that claim homosexuality is an abomination. So I fear it will be a long time before common sense will be the rule of the day.

    elkingo, you can try to make you Wal-Mart the denomination level (or church level, or individual level) but the point is that all Christians all point to the same Bible as their reason for discrimination, so you fail again.

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Ha, okay, so, you don`t feel like you have a right to speak about other people, cultures, groups that you are not a part of and don`t understand, eh? Well, then, I assume you wouldn`t condone hating on gays then, right?
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    As a Christian, I approve of this message. Too many `Christians` are so frakkin high in the clouds with `love` that they hate everyone and everything outside their own social circle, and let`s face it, how many Christians have ACTUALLY ever given a dollar to a homeless guy or tried to help others in some more meaningful direct way, than writing a cheque to the church?

    "Don`t be so heavenly minded that you`re no earthly use."
  205. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    Oh, NottaSpy, there are literally HUNDREDS that promote sexism and racism! And they were used right up until about 50 years ago to justify all manner of abominations in this country and elsewhere! Google "Bible verses supporting sexism" or "Bible verses supporting slavery" or "Bible verses supporting beating". Far, far more of those than the one in Leviticus supporting anti-gay discrimination--right along side the others in Leviticus supporting stoning one`s wife for lying about her virginity, supporting the complete ban on eating shellfish of any kind, etc. Yet, *those* verses are now ignored. Why so much hate on the gays? Hmmmm?
  206. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    Once again, you make too broad of statements. If a homosexual came into my church, and told me I had to change my belief, celebrate their marriage, and watch it be performed in my church, then yes I would have a problem with that.

    Ok, to clarify the whole `store analogy thing` If say the walmart in question was in Atlanta, you are saying the walmarts in Lexington are obligated to come to Atlanta, and make a statement?

    Your point is moot.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Lionhart2, quite a few people in my community actually. In my community we go out of our way to love and support one another. We feed, clothe, train, and put to work people on a daily basis. Also, we don`t rub Christianity in the faces of others around here.
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    sarinablue Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    Brassbull, honey, grammar check!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    Wal-mart is Wal-mart, elkingo?! What do you mean, "Come to Atlanta"? All each Wal-mart has to do is enforce it in their own community **as dictated by corporate Wal-mart***. Note those last few words. That`s all I`ve been asking for. There are governing bodies for all of those different religions you listed. Think of them as "corporate". You church can be the individual stores. I am not saying your church should come to Atlanta, but, I am saying that the leadership of your church`s denomination should condemn that kind of activity (if, in fact, it does condemn it), which, of course brings us around to the original point of "the church" condemning anti-gay discrimination.

    By the way, saying my point is moot does not make it so. That only works on Bill O`Reiley`s show because it`s his show. ;-)
  210. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    Good Lord, this is getting annoying. Ok, I live in a city that is 15 miles from another city. They are within the same district. If the incident happens in the first city, should the walmart employees or their boss make a statement regarding that incident?

    I really think not. If incidents occur, then they should be dealt with within that district applicable to those certain conditions.

    My opinion on gay marriage, shouldn`t have anything to do with battles occurring in different areas.

    For instance: In my area, it came up that gays were suing for marriage rights. (County wide 15000 population.. my city has 3000 residents.) The gays in the area had a stipulation, they wanted churches to not only accept gay marriage, they wanted to force pastors to perform wedding ceremonies in their churches. Everyone in my city was against it because they wanted to force us to change our beliefs to force us to not only allow something, or to accept it, but also support it.
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    vfr4 Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Thanks Captain Bring-Down
  212. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    It wouldn`t be right for other church associations to intervene in our local disputes, because they wouldn`t understand all the nuances associated with the local flavor and politics.
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    youturnmeon Female 70 & Over
    245 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    I think that this is partially right and wrong. I`ve been in church my whole life and have been to many churches (due to my marine father) and I can say YES, some Christians are more about the title than the works, but that is a slim number..

    Just because we get dressed up on easter (and christmas) doesnt mean we`re off in our own little world. between holidays we are doing the homeless ministry, youth services, food banks, community celebrations, job help, passing out flyers and making everyone that we come in contact with feel at home.

    If you`ve come into contact with people who do nothing but claim the title..let them know they need to get movin!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    okay, elkingo, if that`s your worldview, fine. Let`s talk about in your city, then. If there is a vote on gay marriage (no, not in your church or on your church grounds--to argue that is silly and will never happen), just the legalization of gay marriage, allowing the justice of the peace to marry gays, allowing them the same rights under the law within your city as heterosexual married couples, and your church came out against it, I assume you`ll speak up and let the church know that you find it discriminatory? If so, then, fine, please accept that my previous statements were not aimed at you, but rather at the churches who would not come out against such discrimination.

    If you`re not worried about the other churches or what happens in their towns, why are you so keen on getting bent out of shape when I call them out for being discriminatory?
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5444 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    My church discusses things, and then votes on them as a unit. We only add things to our church covenant that the entire church is aware of. If my church made a stance on something the church was not aware of, regardless if I was for or against it, I would voice to the community that someone in my church has both lied and disgraced our church.
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Long coments wich im not gonna read
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    ManicRapture Female 13-17
    682 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    hey, this is cool in the fact that it is saying something about the kinds of "Christians" who go to church on only easter and christmas. so the pic isn`t all bad. kind of eye-opening for some, really...
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    MrVandercar Male 18-29
    286 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    *cough* *cough*, be good n get a job, *cough*
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    BADOLDOG Female 40-49
    108 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    who do you think raises money for homeless shelters,orphanages, and missions, whose donations to charity keep em running, church folks thats the truth, and when they`re not in church they`re volunteering in them...how do I know?.. I`m one of those volunteers, I`m a donor, and I`m a christian, Happy Easter Y`all
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    F*ck you, IAB.

    Bigots!
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
    2353 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    And the debates never end.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    manorrd, you aren`t helping.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    Being a true Christian means realizing that Jesus loves you. Too many people claim that they`re the only ones who are right, everyone else is going to Hell, and never do anything out of selfless generosity.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    > Jasonbobdude
    > Being a true Christian means realizing that Jesus loves you.

    I beg to differ. In the words of Jesus Himself, you are saved by the grace of God alone, through faith. Whether He loved you or hated you is irrelevant. Jesus, the physical, earthly manifestation of God, never claimed to love EVERY one.
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
    473 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    ah, man I missed a religious flame war today, all cause I had to be productive towards society.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:10 pm
    F*ck you, IAB.

    Bigots!
    Change the record, Mannord. You`ve called us bigots so many times now I`ve lost count. You even wheeled out "Fascists" a couple of times.

    Mate, it`s a big wide internet out there. If you hate IAB so much, how about you go elsewhere? Just a suggestion.

    And full respect to Lionhart. I`m no christian, but I can respect a guy that stands up for his convictions.

    When I did my degree in geology, there was a dude in my class who was a hardcore christian. He`s go in and write exam papers on the age of the earth, without believing a single word of it. Firmly believed that all non-christians were going to burn in hell. Didn`t work on sundays, no sex before marriage, homosexuals were sinners bound for hell. The whole gamut.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    But you know what? I respected that guy (bat-sh*t crazy as he appeared to me) more than the other christians who picked the "nice" bits of the bible and ignored the other stuff he personally found distasteful.

    I have the same respect for you, Lionhart, and other christians like you. Nothing wrong with standing behind your convictions, however erroneous anyone else might think them to be.
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    captainkat Female 13-17
    159 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    i can wear my pj`s to church. we take people into our church no matter what circumstances. we feed the homeless and hungry whenever they want/need it and every sunday morning and evening. we go out to different parts of nashville (the really bad ones) and give them free gifts including basic needs that people need and gift cards for groceries. we feed them when we do this as well.

    dont tell me that there aren`t people out there who actually care about being true christians.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    April 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    vv Full and sincere respect, kat.
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    DUDEYEAH Female 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    this is probably true, unfortunately, but ya cant do everything right?
  231. Profile photo of joofro
    joofro Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    this is why religion is so unappealing.. everything seems so contradictory of itself.
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    youturnmeon Female 70 & Over
    245 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    I don`t think Religion is contradictory Joofro..it`s the people who claim to practice such religion. They are the representers, and the truth is, there are a lot of great representers, but the group of bad representers ruin it for the rest of us.
  233. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    this is why religion is so unappealing.. everything seems so contradictory of itself.
    Well, the way I see it, there are two sides to the story. Jesus as a dude was cool, he had some great teachings. In fact, he was the first socialist in recorded history, the whole bean about "help those others less fortunate than yourself". But then there`s the Bible. And let`s face it, God (in the Old Testament at least) was a c*nt. Fair and square.

    The Bible is awkward for any moral christian, or for that matter, any moral person.

    It`s been overused, but I think it appropriate to quote Ghandi (a Hindu by the way, and therefore damned to an eternity of demon butt-rape by christian religious standards, but that`s beside the point), when he generalised:

    "I like your Christ. I dislike your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ".
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    cartman0 Male 18-29
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    April 2, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    who cares about the hobolos?
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    TacoChel Female 18-29
    342 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 11:07 pm
    In before religious debate!

    Oh, wait...
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    Samsonite219 Male 18-29
    703 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 12:47 am
    i dont have a single one of those on my way to church. does that mean im jesus?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 1:19 am
    Religious people are far more generous than secular people Studies show
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    belunan Male 30-39
    1507 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 1:35 am
    /popcorn
  239. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 1:46 am
    > davymid
    > was the first socialist in recorded history

    I`ll disagree just for the sake of it. Big-J was born in a barn because his parents had to return to the place of their birth for the census, which the Romans, like any good government, used to decide policy on a whole range of issues, including social welfare for the poor. We know there were laws protecting the poor and slaves from at least the time of Hamurabi, circa 1700 BC, which pre-dates the 10 Commandments by at least 500 years. So JC was hardly the first.
  240. Profile photo of _kiersten_
    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1682 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 1:52 am
    Hm. Funny, not every single Christian who goes to church happens to be a rich person...Who has SUV`s and live in nice neighborhoods. Good way to be a generalizing douche :D And believe it or not! Not all Christian people are douche bags or try to shove their religion down your throat. Unless of course...You believe in stereotypes. Which means all white people are rich, black people like fried chicken, people of the Islamic religion blow themselves up, and Chinese people eat cats or dogs :D
  241. Profile photo of sgrin27
    sgrin27 Male 18-29
    77 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 2:00 am
    theres none of therese on the way...and my old church spend years saving for an addition and its a small local church. Btw whoever made this needs to stop bashing and do something for a change instead of casting blame on others.
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    Lauryn Female 18-29
    437 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 3:06 am
    LOL.. im far from rich or religious... i sponser a child in africa... and i give as much as i can on those certain days of the yr.. to most charities.. (i send money each week to the Mcdonalds house (the charity for families not just macca`s itself lol!)) my hubby surports child fight and westpac... i dont care so much about certain ones that ring and hassle me on a day to day basis because i didnt donate the previous day.. last time i went to church was my best friends wedding (no not the movie!)... so yay for me im better than all u religious ppl out there in your SUV`s! We are more generous than pretty much every religious person i know! so there!!
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    Alistair36 Male 18-29
    29 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 3:34 am
    If this offends it probably means you are showing signs of guilt for not doing what you think is right. No point in yelling Christian bashing not much you can do about it its just a picture its not helping your self esteem ranting. So you can either fix it or press next and move on with your lie, these pics are only here cause you make such a fuss or it would not be funny for everyone else.
  244. Profile photo of Webz
    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 4:57 am
    My response to this:

    My father is a minister, so I know a lot of the workings that go on behind the scenes in a church that most people wouldn`t see. From the offering plate, I think about 25% goes towards the running of the church, 75% goes towards charitable causes. There are many charity fund-raising events and schemes that occur annually e.g. Junior Mission for All. The church helps members raise funds to go overseas and do charity work in poverty-stricken countries. Street Teams are set up where people go out into our own communities and do voluntary clean up work. Often speakers representing charities come on Sundays, explain what their charity is and people will donate at the end. Out in the foyer there are posters and donation boxes for a wide range of charities. There was a big fund-raising project for the Haiti Earthquake etc. etc.

    I`ve heard Christianity called many things but uncharitable is not one of them.
  245. Profile photo of IRockYeah
    IRockYeah Male 40-49
    2619 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 5:21 am
    Charity is not a bragging right.
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    bungled Male 30-39
    271 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 5:33 am
    OMFG A ZOMBIE QUICK BASH ITS HEAD IN!
  247. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 6:40 am
    "I`ve heard Christianity called many things but uncharitable is not one of them."

    christianity is quite charitable...but it`s still just plain wrong. This is the word of my god (me) so it is true. see how drated up that is?
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
    1478 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 6:44 am
    Wow, Lauryn, you sure showed me..

    By the way, I`m going to donate to you... a dictionary. I only wish I could give a rat`s ass, too, for how generous you think you and your husband are.
  249. Profile photo of JaLacaob
    JaLacaob Male 18-29
    1647 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 6:48 am
    Webz: Your church just happens to be an exception.
  250. Profile photo of Webz
    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 7:39 am
    JaLacaob: Most churches I`ve been to are the same. In fact, most of what I mentioned above aren`t set up and organised specifically by my church, but by the Methodist Church in general and all Methodist churches across the country take part. We have friends in the Baptist/Presbyterian/whatever churches and they all do similar work.

    I don`t know, maybe things are different in the right-wing, fundamentalist, "I ain`t helping no poor, sick people - they can get their own healthcare" America.

    That`s right, I did just turn this into a hybrid Political-Religious debate. *Hits Eject* ^_^
  251. Profile photo of Mamaof5
    Mamaof5 Female 30-39
    56 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 9:30 am
    To Quote:It`s the same for Jews, but they don`t have the same kind of "you MUST behave X,Y, and Z because GOD told you to" mentality. They are more "go with the flow, be a good person, don`t be a dick."

    What about Hedistic Jews? 613 rules delivered by God and all must be followed to the letter? Not saying they are "being dicks" about it but you really should be careful how you lump a group of people together. Makes the point nicely about being stereotyped don`t you think.

    I`m Pagan myself (Celtic Shamanism, where we as a shaman must learn all religious views and tolerance is key as well as acceptance of all views and religious beliefs, lifestyles, cultures, etc).
  252. Profile photo of dracokain
    dracokain Male 18-29
    266 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 10:05 am
    I just cant stand the churches that look like they should be a mall instead of a place of worship.
  253. Profile photo of BMFrosty
    BMFrosty Male 18-29
    7 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Except that church those people are going to probably fund all of those things they passed on the way. Especially..I don`t know...the MISSIONS?

    Look at it like this, all those people go and donate 10% to that church and that church turns around and builds all those great things they passed. If those people didn`t give there money to god...you think they`d give it to a shelter instead or keep it for themselves?

    The ONLY reason all those things exist is because those people are on there way to that church.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    "The ONLY reason all those things exist is because those people are on there way to that church."
    These guys would like to have a word with you.
  255. Profile photo of CapnAwesome
    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
    236 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    Jeebus only helped those who helped themselves. helping all those poor people would go against Jeebus`s views XD
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    geckoi Male 40-49
    209 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    @Brassbull - No, not you but many other aetheists. The problem with so many atheists is that they`re often incredibly anti-christian, and employ many of the same tactics as evangelicals. I`m one to allow everyone to believe whatever they wish. I may disagree with someone, but I won`t spend hours trying to belittle them and convince them why I think they`re completely insane. Atheists often seem so defensive about their beliefs that they`ll resort to insults and name-calling tactics to attempt to prove their point.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    "I like your Christ. I dislike your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

    I can`t believe Ghandi would make such a wide-ranging statement about a very diverse group of people. That`s so unlike Ghandi.
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    PaganMomBlog Female 30-39
    48 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    @BMFrosty that is not true, lots of non-Christian organizations have shelters & orphanages. Helping the less fortunate and ill is not reserved just for those of one particular religion or spiritual path. If you want to look through history as to the development of those particular organization you will see that Christians in fact started it. Simply because in those era`s politics and religion intermingled and Christians were the most powerful and with the most money. Not the case in our modern day society, unless you want to start discussing about other countries.
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    fla386fla Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    OMG, holy drating poo people!! It`s just ONE drating persons OPINION! OK? nobody ever said you had to fully agree and post stupid ass comments on what YOU think is right.. drating morons the lot of yall. and besides the poster never ever said "ALL upper middle class.." So to the ones talking offence to this, maybe you should step back and figure out if this really does apply to you. If it does, so something about it other then bitching on a drating website, if it doesn`t apply to you then the simplest thing you can do is SHUT THE drat UP ABOUT IT..
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    April 3, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    Shelters, orphanages, and missions I get, but prisons? Really? The only reason a person is in prison would be if he did something stupid to get there. Why does he deserve my help?

    I`m not actually a Christian anyway, I just thought prison was a retarded inclusion.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
    2149 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    fla: You saw this post and didn`t expect the comments section to be a clusterdrat of arguments. Then you took the time to read some comments and post your own semi-readable rant about how stupid everyone else is. You`re just a smart person.
  262. Profile photo of ADMFlapplap
    ADMFlapplap Male 18-29
    175 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    "Shelters, orphanages, and missions I get, but prisons? Really? The only reason a person is in prison would be if he did something stupid to get there. Why does he deserve my help?"

    ElDavo, supposedly one of the central themes of Christianity is embracing the sinner. I looked up a passage that came to mind that sorta demonstrates this.

    "Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little."

    This basically means that someone who has sinned a lot has more growth to achieve, so a Christian should embrace and help them instead of merely praising someone who has not sinned. This doesn`t mean you`re supposed to ignore innocent people in need of help in favor of visiting a prison.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
    2149 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Oh, ok. I was looking at it from an Atheist perspective, but from yours it makes a lot more sense.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Apparently we are all drating awesome. YAY!
  265. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    The ONLY reason all those things exist is because those people are on there way to that church.

    I`m curious to know whether you are actually deluded enough to believe that or if you know it`s wrong and you`re using it as propaganda.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 10:15 pm
    Funny, not every single Christian who goes to church happens to be a rich person

    etc, etc.

    Are you deliberately misrepresenting the point in order to smear it because you can`t argue against it, or have you just not understood the point?
  267. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 3, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    Big-J was born in a barn because his parents had to return to the place of their birth for the census

    i) It depends on which gospel you read.

    ii) The gospel that refers to the journey does not say people had to travel to the place of their birth, but to their ancestral home town/city. This was their ancestral home town of a *thousand years* earlier. Which leads to the next point:

    iii) It doesn`t make any sense. It would have been far too disruptive, especially in a troublesome (from a Roman point of view) province, to force large numbers of subjects of the empire to travel long distances for the census and it would have given an inaccurate picture of the empire as it was then.
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    davidstone Male 18-29
    92 posts
    April 4, 2010 at 12:32 am
    Because it`s fine to do all this stuff, just so long as you aren`t going to a Christian church, right?
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    Dominimus Male 18-29
    8 posts
    April 4, 2010 at 3:56 am
    @Everyone,

    Only the Darkside believe in absolutes.
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    xhappyhourx Female 18-29
    34 posts
    April 5, 2010 at 12:19 am
    Again, I-A-B, I am very VERY close to not visiting your site anymore. Pick on some other religion.
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    genericuser Female 18-29
    317 posts
    April 5, 2010 at 9:29 am
    i`m not fond of holiday christians either.
  272. Profile photo of DavidXJ
    DavidXJ Male 30-39
    1106 posts
    April 5, 2010 at 9:58 am
    And each week, those upper middle class Christians who spent that couple of hours at church also give more money to charity, volunteer more hours working for the helpless, and do more good in one city in America than the rest of the atheists in the world combined.
  273. Profile photo of VCP24
    VCP24 Female 18-29
    42 posts
    April 5, 2010 at 10:22 am
    <3 you DavidXJ!
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    xXKaryXx Female 13-17
    635 posts
    April 6, 2010 at 8:24 am
    but i walk to church

    .___.
  275. Profile photo of ch0nies
    ch0nies Female 70 & Over
    12 posts
    April 6, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    This says nothing about easter...only says each week... IN THE VERY FIRST LINE.
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    April 7, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    HA!!

    and to DavidXJ, each week the atheists let them do it because they know the Christians created such a wealth gap in the first place. don`t say we didn`t do anything for you, stinkin` Christians.

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