ICP Attempt To Explain Juggalos To Martin Bashir

Submitted by: madest 7 years ago in Entertainment

It means I"mma kill you.
There are 107 comments:
Female 262
From the early to late 90`s as musicians rapped about drive-bys and gang life, people began to imitate it, so if there`s anything we`ve learned is that our society is full of idiots who imitate or act out what they see/hear in music. We`ve just gotten over the gang rap decade and now we have juggalos, same thing same concept, except now it`s trailer park-violence instead of `hood related violence. People have to take responsibility not only for their actions but what their actions/words may cause to happen. Incorporating death and murder in every single song is not entertainment, it`s just sick. Nothing this band has to say is intelligent, nor do they ever try to get their fans to better themselves. They glorify murder and crime and living a generally unhealthy lifestyle and yet they say "we`re not responsible." I`m not saying that they don`t or shouldn`t have the right to sing about what they want, but they need to quit cultivating the culture they`ve built around it.
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Male 5
Republicans trying to figure out what a juggalo is, classic. MMFWCL!
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Female 149
Okay, once upon a time, a friend was on an ICP tour, so I went to the show. It was one of the most disgusting, vile, completely out of touch with reality things I`ve ever experienced in my life. The people who went were TRASH (not to say they weren`t good people, I suppose...), and the few I spoke to seemed as if they didn`t have a coherent (meth?) or decent bone in their body.

And @faaaaq
Of course you would be a 20 something in the midwest and want to go listen to some "psychopathic music". I`m sure you spent your life savings on hatchetman jerseys, too.
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Male 312
Stupid "juggalos" Its really stupid.The music is just crap and thier just for losers who wanna fit in...I know so many people who listen to this crap and its just stupid. Bring back nirvana,pearl jam, mettalica, ACDC,all that good stuff.
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Male 228
Ok, I absolutely abhor juggalo culture and the utter idiotic perpetuation it inspires, but this news report is joke. They could have gotten someone a little less out of touch to field this report. This report is not creating an objective standpoint from which an educated person can make their own decision. And when you do that, my friends, you fail at journalism.
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Male 25,417
wow that just dumb people, need a shadow and ICP is there shadow!
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Male 694
ok....heres what it is....JUST LIKE WITH VIDEO GAMES....the music does NOT turn people violent...it simply attracts those who are ALREADY THAT KIND OF PERSON. those people will always be around, with or without the music.

btw, MMFWCL. this video just makes me wanna go listed to some Psycopathic music and go to a concert real bad lol
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Male 876
MMFWCL
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Male 661
Ummm, didn`t the Misfits do this poo like 30 years ago?
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Male 3,631
@ Gloostick -
Black people commit a lot more crimes than Juggalos.
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Male 549
man... did they really ... my God at 1:40.. thats.. thats NECRO he is in no way anything like these dumbasses. i cant believe they placed necro in the same group as these guys. necro is a sick producer and his rap style isnt for everyone but he is a great musician and his brother illbill is another amazing hiphop artist. geez im sickened
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Male 548
insane clown posse is a huge joke. God, its just so gay
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Male 339
@ Mauser TM `Yep white trash, extremist if you must
It is because of THIS that Manhunt was banned`

uhh that was nothing to do with ICP.. a kid killed his best mate with a claw hammer in the woods coz he wanted to know what it looked like, he later admitted to having played manhunt

and im not certain about the states.. but over here manhunt never got banned, and the second one got delayed because the bbfc refused to put an age rating on it for as long as they could, still came outtho
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Female 2,352
Slow news day or what?

Also was it necessary to spray the crowd with diet Faygo?
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Male 1,297
"the police now classify Juggalos as a gang??? Holy crap, that`s retarded, lol. What a sad world we live in."

the police also generally classify black people as gang members too. I`m not saying its okay to assume the worst of juggalos, but if you are worried about injustice, maybe... pick your battles?
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Male 434
Uncut Interview
Watch this.
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Male 5,194
Where did they dig up that dimwit reporter? Sounds like he lives in his mommy`s basement and just stuck his head out yesterday and freaked.
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Female 52
Why do people have to go so far?? I mean, whether you like ICP or not (or any other band/movie/video game/whatever), they aren`t the ones causing people to murder, rape, or any of that. It`s not their fault that some of their fans are so drating sick that they take all this to heart and actually go out and kill a person. And I mean, because of those sick, stupid people, the police now classify Juggalos as a gang??? Holy crap, that`s retarded, lol. What a sad world we live in. :(
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Male 1,360
effin magnets, how do they work? and i don`t need to talk to no scientist- yall mothereffers lyin, and gettin me pissed
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Male 367
They just look like Kiss to me.
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Female 4,039
Ugh - I can`t stand Martin Bashir - and Gorodetsky, nicely put - you said it all.
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Male 339
Why are people acting like ICP are so innovative or extreme in any shape or form? They`re like a lame cross between GWAR, Slipknot, Cannibal Corpse and gangsta rap... only their music is 90% TAMER and has no skill requirement to make. Go look up some Carcass or Cannibal Corpse lyrics if you want sick and violent lyrics. Go to a GWAR concert to get drenched in fake blood, semen and urine and watch staged decapitations of political figures and Oderus Urungus rape people with the cuttlefish of Cthulu. Try to survive a Lamb of God concert`s wall of death or join a moshpit in your local hardcore scene.

Nothing new here, they just moved it to a mainstream rap sound, dressed like Slipknot does and put on a `show` like GWAR does and talked about murder like death metal does. Don`t even take this report seriously, there`s far more extreme stuff out there. But some of that other stuff actually has musical value.
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Female 412
"How dare them waste all that soda!! That is the true crime!!"
Don`t worry, it`s only Faygo. :)
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Male 203
annnnnd, let me guess, according to Bashir, Marilyn Manson was responsible for the Columbine killings? and the poor guy who offed himself listening to Ozzy Osbourne`s "Suicide Solution" wasn`t suicidal? It was Ozzy who drove him over the edge, Bashir. You wanktardulated shihtist. You are useless. Take your ideals and go cover the hog festival in your hometown. (no offense to hog festivals the world over, it was just a crack at how he needs to cover less thought provoking material)
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Female 387
"You sound smart as a muthaf*cka" Haha!
This guy doesn`t get it and people who listen to ICP and then murder people...don`t get it either.
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Male 1,540
"But isn`t this... Prepubescent illiterate writing?"
"Probably to you."
The interviewer is a genius. I want him to come to the internet and make fun of more retards.
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Male 881
99.9% of murderers sat on a chair sometime before they committed their crime. Now I`m not saying chairs caused these people to commit murder, I`m just stating the facts.

The only causality shown here is that causing fear results in ratings.

What is more likely:
A) IPC`s music brainwashes, convinces, or hypnotizes people into committing murder.
B) Unstable people who are prone to violent behavior like to listen to violent music.

If you chose "A", then you haven`t paid attention to the actual research done on the subject and need to be aware that News is driven by ratings, and IPC is an easy target.
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Male 79
How dare them waste all that soda!! That is the true crime!!
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Male 4,867
ICP are crap
Juggalos are retarded

ICP aren`t promoting murder
Juggalos aren`t gang members.

This Bashir dude is a moron
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Female 1,682
Ugh. Why don`t people realize that music, video games, and TV do not make people go out and harm others. The person is ALREADY mentally ill BEFORE hand. This just happens to help ease it along.

lol @ them calling us some sort of "gang". I find that hilarious.
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Male 418
The total abuse of Faygo is what needs to be deatlt with. These kids are learning that abusing soda pop is ok. No, its not.
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Male 418
Blaming entertainment venues for stupid kids commiting violence is getting so old and dumb. These kids are already f---ed up as it is because their PARENTS are the cause, not the music or games !! No mater what, the parents are to blame for a screwed up child.... but no one wants to be held accountable, do they ? no? Kids having kids doesn`t help much either.
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Male 677
was i the only person thinking about how magnets work?
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Male 237
fkn rainbows... fkn magnets... HOW DO THEY WORK? hahaha what a load of poo. They DID kill another Juggalo fan so lol what does that tell you.
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Male 122
I once read that Charles Manson was a big fan of Heavenly Hash.
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Male 1,765
Exactly TypicalJerk. Did you know that 9 out of 10 murderers admit they love ice cream?
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Male 533
Bashir should Hunt ICE CREAM next. There is a STRONG correlation between sales and the murder rate there too!
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Male 122
I can`t believe there are still news reports trying to pin the blame of horrible crimes on the music. It couldn`t possibly be that some people are just unpredictably unstable. Oh, who is responsible?! Some day you`ll all realize it`s the Mormon`s who hold the blame. I think ICP`s music is crap, but I have to give them credit for how they handled the interview. I liked the line, "I`m sure they watch Stephen King movies as well."
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Male 4,290
[quote]The blame game is not news, It`s yellow journalism at it`s worst. [/quote]
QFT.
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Male 339
tbf i kinda like icp.. not a juggalo or anything (ignore the avatar it was haloween lol) but i wouldnt go round killing people coz its in a song. if youll all remember marilyn manson was questioned about poo like this a few years back and believe he pointed out that, people capable of killing others for fun will hang onto any idolisation they can to convince themselves theyre brainwashed, and that its totallythat individuals downfall

point to think about: if ICP actually promote murder... how come they dont do it?
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Male 985
I think there music is horrible, but i agree 100% with the so called "rappers". Its not there fault how people act.
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Male 1,313
Yeah. It`s probably a Miracle they can even think by themselves.

But it`s obviously not their followers doing this. I mean.. who wants to be that f`ing retarded.
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Male 571
Even though ICP is the musical equivalent of farting into a microphone, that story was laughably sensationalized. As retarded as they are, I agree with them that you can`t go blaming them for the acts of some deranged individuals who happened to listen to their "music." I don`t buy this garbage that music, movies, or whatever can make someone go out and kill people. Everyone in the world could listen to swing band music and there would still be sociopaths. Some people are just nuts.
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Male 992
They should be more worried about the retardation of the brain they cause. ICP is G A Y
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Female 7,997
Ok- I have been wondering what `Juggalos` were. Martin Bashir is not the BEST person to inform me, but at least I know! Not sure you can ever blame the music though- people have always had gangs, done bad things etc, they choose a focus and off they go...
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Male 36
Who is this clown?
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Male 1,598
People who are willing to commit such heinous acts have something mentally wrong with them. However, things such as music, advertisement, social interaction and other outside influences act as a stimulus towards the way a person acts. The blame can`t be placed upon just one thing.
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Male 516
I feel like Juggalos are just another group of fans that have established a solid identity for themselves. Same as Beliebers, Twi-hards, etc. Not the best examples, but you get my point. I mean, it`s not really GOOD that the ICP raps about murder and rape, but you can`t complain about them without complaining about the hundreds of other sources where a kid could see that hurting others is cool.

Action flicks where the main character`s a badass who does what he wants?

Video Games where you kill people to grab the money so you can buy more guns and pwn more people?

Books where the girls fall head over heels for the mysterious, scarred, stone-cold killer?

There`s lots of pressure out there to be a bad member of society, but it`s up to the kid to decide whether he wants to cross that line.

I hate this interviewer though. He takes such a closed-minded, condescending position while speaking with these two folks. Makes me angry.
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Male 227
One of my neighbors daughter who was only thirteen some how was dating a eighteen year old who bragged about being an icp member and even yelled "juggalos" or something like that while i was walking down the street months before
any ways he murdered her with a cleaver knife and raped her dead body. after she was reported missing i know right away it was him and on his myspace it was all icp music and pictures of him wearing clown face paint.
so i blame the music
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Male 3,255
@Genocyde

You need to upgrade your reading comprehension or something.

"I`m going to cut it right here but you blame parents and music all in the same"

Wrong. I don`t blame music in the slightest. It takes two things for a psycho with a hammer to kill someone; a psycho, and a hammer. What caused the murder? A psycho and a hammer. Do you blame the hammer? Of course not.

"Obviously, you favor taking the largest part of responsibility away from where it should be firmly assigned."

100% of the blame lies with the parents. Again, reading comprehension is good.
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Female 61
lol
"Are you like, a grown retard or something?"
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Male 17,512
The same kind of people were saying the same kind of things about KISS back in the 70`s. Things like KISS = Knights In Satan`s Service. They said the same about OZZY in the 80`s. It`s shock entertainment, It`s made to be `shocking` and `over the top`. That is what makes it appealing. Unfortunately you have some idiots out there (in every generation) that take it the wrong way and do stupid and sometimes violent things. Charley Manson claimed the song "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles motivated him. The blame for Columbine landed on games like Doom and Quake.

The blame game is not news, It`s yellow journalism at it`s worst.
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Male 149
It isn`t ICP`s fault, I mean god forbid we should blame parents for their failures.
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Female 741
>.< don`t call necro a juggalo, even if he`s stupid.
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Female 146
@AngelLoveXJ "everyone wants to trash talk them bc their lyrics are murder and stuff." i dont think anyone on iab is offended by icp`s violent lyrics. do you see the links on here?
their asinine lyrics are offensive not because they`re violent, but because they`re willing people to purposefully be stupid. miracles, anyone? here`s a few choice snippets from that song:
"Fcking magnets, how do they work?
And I don`t wanna talk to a scientist
Y`all motherfckers lying, and getting me pissed"
nuff said
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Female 13
to me its a way for people who feel rejected and not part of the society`s norm to escape and be something. yea the face paint and all that is a little over the top but if they feel comfortable that way, let it be. everyone wants to trash talk them bc their lyrics are murder and stuff. oh bc no popular rap artists talk about guns and drugs. bc no pop artists ever sings about sex and being drunk. let people be themselves. this is why people become "juggalos and juggalettes" to find peace in something and have people be in the same boat as them. im pretty sure there are people out there who feel everyone on here are a bunch of hate bashing e-tards. what comes around goes around
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Female 152
correlation does not mean causation
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Male 514
This music is absolutely stupid but I understand where ICP is coming from. I am a huge Manson fan and he took the brunt of attacks after Columbine. There are people who are going to cause this poo no matter what they listen to or watch or play. It happens. For every 1 fan that commits a heinous act, there are millions that don`t. You can`t blame music, games, and tv.
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Male 292
Haha. I like how the interviewer says their names with a completely straight face.

What a couple of morons.
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Male 7,813
hate their music, but i did like what j said at the end "if you kill people, dont buy any more of our records, your a sicko."
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Male 594
If their music can influence people to paint their faces, use stupid lingo, throw WC handsigns, drink Faygo, and just talk/dress/act like a pure loser. Then I think its more then able to influence a few weaker minded people to do other more extreme things... Just like the media can influence the general public..
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Male 11
I don`t like the fags in ICP but look how this reporter makes it out to be ICP`s fault, when clearly the people doing the crimes have other problems besides listening to fags in make up, its clear the reporter is just looking to juice his story any way he can, why doesn`t he interview the family`s of these psychos doing the murders, or maybe do some actual work and find out what kind of mental problems these people have, just because these clowns are using shock value to sell records doesn`t mean its their fault a bunch of psychos are killing people, Didnt we go through all this with Marilyn Manson and columbine?? Reports who report this way are scum bags who cant think of a real story
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Male 122
this is just ugly.
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Male 712
::I disagree. Music can cause anything, including violence, but only in people raised in such a poor manner that their minds are weak enough to fall into it.::

I`m going to cut it right here but you blame parents and music all in the same...Okay, look, I`m not gonna bother asking you which one it is because obviously that four or five-post diatribe will probably be more convoluted than I care to deal with.

Simply put, it`s either music or the parents. If it`s the music, then something was going to get that kid sooner or later...nothing the parents can do there. You`ve just absolved the parents.

If it`s the shoddy parenting and it probably is, then it wouldn`t have taken much to create a negative sphere of influence.

Obviously, you favor taking the largest part of responsibility away from where it should be firmly assigned.
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Male 9
Douchebags of epic proportion
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Male 712
I like some of ICP, Twiztid, etc but I don`t think I`d go as far as painting my face for it. I`ve got a few favorite songs and that`s about it.

I have to agree with many on one thing though...you either get it or you don`t. The news media obviously just doesn`t get it and worse still, tries to act like they do.
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Male 118
Rapping clowns now I`m scared.
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Male 55
bahah wow ppl are so effin stupid ... ok and effin weird too ..
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Female 70
A class-mate of mine loves ICP. I don`t understand it. Then again, he also thinks he can rap. ><`
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Male 12
*years, even
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Male 12
This happens every few year...just the latest example of the media confusing correlation with causation.

<---not a fan

Side note: I remember when I first came across ICP on public access. My comment to my friend was something along the lines of, "Oh, they`re like Kiss, but w/o the ill-conceived disco album."
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Male 99
i think the fairer statement then, guy who posted below me, would be that music precipitates craziness.

so people with a weaker sense of willpower will allow it to suspend their better judgement.

so then the problem is to judge which is more at fault: the music for precipitating it or the individual`s willpower?

i think that what i just said there actually gets to the heart of this problem more so than any of your dumb essays.
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Male 894
wow, juggalos are probably the dumbest gang i have ever heard of. i once saw 2 crips in denver hold up a "juggalo" and he cried after they were done. i lauged my ass off. their music sucks, their fans are gay, i say we drop them in the ocean and see how good that fat dumbass can swim
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Male 203
I think it`s all about education and upbringing. Ignorant, uneducated people who drop out of school may be motivated to commit a crime after listening to something like ICP because they don`t know any better, and they don`t have a proper role model putting it in perspective. I`m not saying ICP causes murder, that is too easy of a conclusion to jump to. But listening to music can definitely affect the way a developing mind thinks.

That being said, ICP is shiddy rap anyways. just listen to "miracles." these guys are dumbasses.
I also think their lyrics and style are juvenile. their is MUCH better rap out there.
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Male 3,255
F*ck ICP.
F*ck Juggalos.

Grow up and learn to think for yourself.

"1) No, music doesn`t cause violence. Crazy people cause violence."

I disagree. Music can cause anything, including violence, but only in people raised in such a poor manner that their minds are weak enough to fall into it.

I say, let artists sing what they want, the burden of responsibility lies with the parent.

But I still would throw a massive drating party if someone set off a huge bomb at one of those Ignorant Sheep Flock concerts. >:)
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Male 338
As much as I hate ICP, I still have to say that this is the same faulty logic used against video games.
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Male 1,222
Yep white trash, extremist if you must
It is because of THIS that Manhunt was banned
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Male 14
It is true about parenting though. I listened to their poo music in high school and thought it was childish back then. I honestly cannot stand this white trash gang.
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Male 2,796
"I thought i was done...then I read the comments.....Splurbyburbl, i mean really? So you are amongst those that feel that music dictates a person`s life? What do you listen to eh? You think it is all that innocent."

Don`t be a D-bag man... just re-read my post and maybe you will see that what I am saying is that extreme rhetoric "can" produce extremists. Can you deny that? Can you deny that ICP`s lyrics are extreme? Can you deny that christian or muslim views can be extreme? Do these things sometimes cause extremism? Yes they do... at no point did I say that ICP was a religion or whatever crap you mumbled.
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Female 66
woow , people are drating crazy . all i listen to is insane clown posse and im the happiest person ever .
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Male 246
2 Things:

1) No, music doesn`t cause violence. Crazy people cause violence.

2) Yes, Juggalos/ICP are still incredibly gay.
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Female 1,190
HAHAHA omg thats how they talk?
though they are right, ICP needs to learn how to address arguments and make valid points, not just ignore facts lol
I DONT BELIEVE IT
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Male 1,610
I hate ICP as well, but they will always hold a special place in my heart for making that `miracles` song.
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Female 47
I don`t like ICP one bit, but I don`t like the spin they`ve put on this story. As soon as Violent Jay agrees that out of millions of people, some of those people may have committed violent crimes, Bashir thinks he`s agreeing with his original point: that the violence perpetuated by the individuals who enjoy violent things is the fault of the violent things they enjoy.
Some people have serious mental issues, and they are attracted to violent things. As their frustration and interest in violence is nurtured by these violent things, they`ll begin to act on them. However, the world is a violent place. Responsibility should always be left to the individual, and not a cluster of catalysts.
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Male 2,700
I thought i was done...then I read the comments.....Splurbyburbl, i mean really? So you are amongst those that feel that music dictates a person`s life? What do you listen to eh? You think it is all that innocent.

Juggalos are not extremists. As my previous post states...its an act. You liken Juggalos to a religon? Poor you. Lets say you assume that you avoid "extremism" in all of its form. Would you buy a burger at McDonalds? Would you buy forieg grown foods? Perhaps attend a circus? There is nothing you can do that does not promote extremism down the line according to what you are appearently trying to define.
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Male 5,314
i noticed a lot of white trash
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Male 2,700
Extending Alikabul`s comment....Manson had it right in an interview he had given that...."Its not the music that causes us to do what we do, we cause the music to do what it does"....

Anyone who believes their favorite band does the things they sing about is damn insane. Its an act. It is all on stage, I mean, do you REALLY think harrison Ford would be the strongman in a crisis? Do you REALLY think Tom Cruise would do any good for the world....NO!!!

ICP did not invent the Juggalo, the FANS invented juggalos. Honestly, I would rather hang with a juggalo than some tween emo depressed music lover who has nothing better to do than down other people`s specfic taste in music.

Down with the clown till im dead in the ground!!!
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Male 12
"f*ing rainbows..."
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Female 956
wow.

I agree with ICP, but I still think they are f*ing retarded.

No offense to any fans.
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Female 13
Being a Juggalo has nothing to do with murder and rape. It`s about the music and the willingness to have a good time. I`m a Juggalo. Know what else I am? A Christian. I go to church twice a week. I also sit at home sipping on Faygo rapping along to my ICP albums. Music doesn`t inspire these kids to kill people, poor parenting and inadequate living conditions do. And like Violent J. said, out of the MILLIONS of people who purchase and listen to their music, some of them are bound to be killers. It`s nothing more than a simple probability ratio.
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Female 17
"I don`t believe in this evidence you speak of..."

Yeah, did anyone watch their new video? they apparently don`t believe in magnets either...
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Male 594
Well Lady Gaga did not create a fan-base of feeble minded teens who cant come up with their own personal image..
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Male 695
As much as I hate to admit it I have to go with ICP on this one. They`ve tried pinning this sh|t to Marilyn Manson before. It`s just a coincident. Stupid people listen to stupid music.
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Male 5,314
wat?
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Male 61
haha, miracles...
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Female 65
Man, I have this urge to go kill me some idjits, if only I could find appropriate musical accompaniment.. hmmm... Give me a frackin break! It`s MUSIC. Let`s all criticize Lady Gaga and Beyonce for their "Telephone" video, where they kill an entire restaurant full of people! Where`s the outrage? Oh, because they`re women, it`s ok? pffff....
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Male 1,195
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Male 22
You`d be amazed how many murders use toothpaste. Obviously we should ban toothpaste before things get out of hand.
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Male 594
I hate groupies.... Find something original and useful to do with your time...
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Male 250
when do they talk about magnets?
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Male 592
im with the juggalo`s on this one.
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Male 976
"Nursery Rhymes Laced with Murder"

Well, if that`s not a perfect description of this crap, I don`t know what is.
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Female 839
Lol, i love it when he calls him `Violent Joe`
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Male 2,796
There is nothing different about this than all the other groups whose rhetoric can produce extremism.

Christianity, Islam, ICP... no difference.
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Male 1,297
let the hystericalness begin
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Male 7,378
Link: ICP Attempt To Explain Juggalos To Martin Bashir [Rate Link] - It means I`mma kill you.
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