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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:18 am
    Link: Crossroads Church Stumps Science? - I guess Crossroads Church poses a good question, right? What`s the response, I-A-B?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:21 am
    Simpleton Community Church
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Natural selection
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    chizzlachiz Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:23 am
    *Facepalm*
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    jms700 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:23 am
    we evolved from one certain species of ape which doesnt axist any more. there a hundreds of different types of monkey.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:24 am
    They`re only a century late, no big deal.
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    acanatane Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:25 am
    thats not how evolution works in the slightest.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:25 am
    Nothing like letting your stupidity hang out there, on a sign, for the whole world to see.
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    She-said Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn`t evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
    5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
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    Covist Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:27 am
    We didn`t evolve from monkeys, humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
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    Retconaddict Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Because Darwin never claimed men evolved from monkeys. He said men and monkeys evolved from the same common ancestor.

    And even if he did say that - humans evolved from a species of monkey that does not technically exist anymore.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:27 am
    I see a cloud of Hornets soon to be descending on thine post Lad of fancy, methinks smiting and smoting wilt be thee order of thee day
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    RCS3 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Some things didn`t have a need to evolve, so they remained what they are. That`s how it works.
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    d3athcr33ps Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:30 am
    That is a VERY common misconception in evolution. People, apes AND monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. The chart they show you in school of a monkey turning into a man is a fallacy, and every creationist saw this mistake to debunk evolution.
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    Tinkerbellio Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:30 am
    If Adam and Eve had two sons, how did they reproduce?
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:30 am
    This is a facepalm moment.

    We evolved from an earlier species of primate. They also fail to note that there are several different species of primate, meaning that several species have evolved from a common ancestor.
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    The-Sentinel Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:31 am
    Urrrrrrr! Evolution doesn`t say we evolved from monkeys, but that we have similar ancestors! We both evolved from one species!
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    qquuaacckk Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:32 am
    haha this is a dumb question
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    MsMalicious Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:32 am
    I was just wondering this the other day.

    Figured maybe there was a group of monkeys that went off on their own. Evolved while the others just sat there content with what they were doing.


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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:33 am
    holy crap, are they that damn stupid? aside from the fact that there are dozens of monkey species evolution does not state that we evolved from them...

    we evolved from a group of humonids...which were ape like.

    I am willing to bet that 100% of the people that are against evolution has never actually studied it at all. don;t lie morons, you know you haven`t.
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    cjap2011 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Man didn`t evolve from monkeys. Monkeys and man both evolved from a common ancestor.
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    Sassi826 Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Man didn`t evolve from monkeys, dumbasses, men just act like them. Homo Sapiens, however, evolved from the same genetic family tree as apes. We got smarter, lost our hair, and created civilizations (for good or bad). They created tools to eat termites, made beds in trees and decided that was good enough.
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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Humans and other modern day apes evolved from one common ancestor. Scientists have been certain of this for a long time. The church really needs to do some research before trying to take on science.
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    fishyboy Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Oh, where to begin? How about tangential evolutionary paths. Or that the species that are extant now are not the same species as were around when we branched - ie both monkeys and humans that are around now are the descendants of the common ancestor, not the ancestor itself. Or, how about you go and actually read something about evolution, Crossroads Community Church, and find the answer in the first few pages of any textbook on the subject.

    Counter question: if monkeys evolved from the same ancestors as us, why are there still humans?
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    d3athcr33ps Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:35 am
    "Some things didn`t have a need to evolve, so they remained what they are. That`s how it works."

    Bullpoo, everything is constantly evolving there is no "end point" we (and every other species) just keep getting more advanced. Some traits advantageous traits are kept and others are eliminated. In a a few million years "man" will not look anything like homo sapian.
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    jc9896 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Well, didn`t we evolve from a relative of today`s monkeys? Not literally the monkeys that are scampering around the jungle these days? If that question disproved evolution wouldn`t there only be a handful of species in the world?
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    Fealiks Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:38 am
    The same reason there`s more than one species on the planet - heredity isn`t an external force or power. Genes can only be passed down through sex, so if a group of a certain species don`t carry the specific allele then that group will carry on being whatever they were before. It`s pretty simple once you understand natural selection. Whoever wrote this sign should swallow their pride and find out what heredity means.
  28. Profile photo of TxP
    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:41 am
    im sure this has been posted a million times in this so far, but i feel i need to have some sort of input;
    man did not evolve directly from monkeys, we share common ancestors. science 1 ignorance 0
    (not referring to religion as ignorance, just referring to whomever placed this sign up there)
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:41 am
    The Stupid. It burns.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:41 am
    I guess Crossroads Church poses a good question, right? What`s the response, I-A-B?

    The response is rather obvious you idiot.
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    Don223 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:41 am
    That question is only there to rally fellow theists. It is a thoughtless inquiry. If one considers all the branches of evolution it took to get to Homo Sapien, one must realize that we are only part of a large evolutionary lineage. The monkeys didn`t disappear because they are a successful evolution of a common ancestor... Just as we are. All primates are derived from a single source, we just happen to be one twig on the branch of the tree that makes up the primate lineage.
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:43 am
    ITT: People being trolled.

    Oh wait, is that the wrong site?
  33. Profile photo of LtFurpie
    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:47 am
    Religion: Still promoting ignorance. Worked for them for thousands of years, why not another few thousand.
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    Schro Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:48 am
    Arghhhh
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    schmaples Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:49 am
    I think its hilarious when people say humans evolved from monkeys it just shows how insanely uneducated they really are. Equally amusing are the people who try to disprove evolution by trying to point this "fact" of evolution out
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    SherbertFizz Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:50 am
    This just shows the ignorance of the church. So many uneducated people come out with this line thinking it makes a valid point, when all it proves is they have NO idea what they are talking about.
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    BruenorBH Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:51 am
    If African-Americans descended from Africans, why are there still Africans? That`s how stupid a question that is (leaving aside the fact that we are NOT descended from monkeys, but from a common ancestor).
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:51 am
    Modern humans did not evolve from modern monkeys. No wonder these religious types don`t believe in evolution if they think that`s how evolution works.
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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:52 am
    jesus. effing. christ.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Tinkerbellio
    Female, 18-29, Europe
    815 Posts Friday, April 16, 2010 10:30:53 AM
    If Adam and Eve had two sons, how did they reproduce?


    I think Todd Flanders asked that question: If Adam and Eve had two sons, did they make babies with their mother, or with each other?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Guess what everyone! Here`s a shocker!

    I agree! This sign is stupid!

    Of course we don`t come from monkeys. Apes and Man have a common ancestor. Stupid closed-minded, uneducated Christians. (I say that meaning THESE Christians. Not Christians in general.)

    Sidebar: I think it`s kinda cool how if you spell Christian with a little c, Firefox says you misspelled it.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:56 am
    I was waiting for this... over a week has gone by without any attempt by IAB to incite a flame war....
    Now sit back and watch the stupidity, rhetoric and comment posts go up faster than and Yankee diving on a Wendys Baconator.
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    markperr Male 50-59
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:57 am
    I`m confused. Can someone explain to me, if apes and humans come from the same common ancestor, then when did the particular ancestor decide to have sex with a being that now prevents us from having sex with other apes that produce offspring. After all, I can have sex with any woman from any human race and produce an offspring, but the same can`t be said for sex with other primates. Why is that? Scientific answers, please. Pseudo-scientists need not reply.
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:00 am
    That`s funny LandoGriffin. I think that even christians realize that the story of Adam and Eve is a parable and no where near a true story. (Otherwise you might call all humans "West Virginians").

    At least I hope they think it`s a parable.
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    Takori Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:05 am
    For the record, man DID evolve from monkeys but it was from a species that no longer exists (which makes sense as they all evolved). Asking why are monkeys still around if we evolved from them is like asking why there are chimpanzees if there are still gorillas around. Anyone who doesn`t understand the different sub-species part of the world needs to be subjected to natural selection.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:06 am
    I think it`s kinda cool how if you spell Christian with a little c, Firefox says you misspelled it.

    *right click* *add to dictionary*
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    D_Fishbait Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:07 am
    It`s Christians like this that make the sane few among us look bad... /facepalm
  48. Profile photo of Link364
    Link364 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Hey that`s what i`ve been thinking.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:12 am
    facepalm, man did not evolve from monkeys, man and monkeys evolved from the same species, i would explain it further but i am currently too drunk to continue.
  50. Profile photo of TxP
    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Markperr, please, do a LITTLE research before asking questions
    /facepalm
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:14 am
    LazyMe:

    If you are lazy, why would you go to all that trouble to change something that is obviously right in the first place?
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    p0l4r21 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Chimpanzees, apesn and humans evolved from hominins. Chimps when there own direction and homo erectus evolved apes. Hominins went extinct some 5-7 million years ago.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:16 am
    This is advertising for more education in evolutionary theorie.


    @markperr: "Can someone explain to me, if apes and humans come from the same common ancestor, then when did the particular ancestor decide to have sex with a being that now prevents us from having sex with other apes that produce offspring."

    You aren`t trolling, are you?
    The common ancestor never had sex with a being that now prevents us from having sex with other apes that produce offspring. Male common ancestors had sex with female common ancestors. Their children went to different habitates and evolved in different directions, each fit for their habitat. After many generations the two families were geneticaly so different that they couldn`t produce offspring anymore.
    Think about languages. American and British english are different but American and British understand each other. Both languages have the british english of the times of the colonies as ancestor.
  54. Profile photo of Pooptart19
    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Where is your science now?! xD
  55. Profile photo of lyckosam
    lyckosam Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Everybody, read Richard Dawkins` book "The Greatest Show on Earth". It explains EVERYTHING a normal person could ever want to know about evolution, and is written in a really engaging and easy to follow way.
  56. Profile photo of startech
    startech Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:25 am
    Or, you could read "The Greatest Hoax On Earth" which picks apart every so called "fact" in "The Greatest Show On Earth" chapter by chapter...
  57. Profile photo of Link364
    Link364 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:25 am
    Thanks alot fancy, now there`s yet another religious debate. Some of these ppl are mass debators; no joke intended.
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    HerrHuhn Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:28 am
    Agreed, D Fishbait.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Wow, we totally have no explanation for this. You`ve won creationism, we surrender! Let`s go burn some copies of The Origin of Species.

    /s
  60. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:31 am
    god doesn`t exist. i have proof of this. It`s called the bible. I win.
  61. Profile photo of startech
    startech Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:32 am
    For all fo you who say that man definitely evolved from monkeys/apes/whatever, how exactly do you know this? Do you choose to ignore all the evidence that contradicts the evolution *theory*? Darwin was an absolute idiot.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Notice how this question is being answered instead of just being palmed off.
  63. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:33 am
    @ startech-and is that book sponsored by the Templeton Foundation or what, you are a moron-read "The Greatest Show on Earth" and you can not escape the conclusion that evolution is FACT not theory-you worship gaps so there is your messiah
  64. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:33 am
    Lots of contenders for Troll of the Day up in here. startech joins the list.
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    GHudston Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:36 am
    How is it possible that there are still people who think that this is what evolution means?
  66. Profile photo of startech
    startech Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:36 am
    canusuck - If evolution is true, and dinosaurs also died millions of years ago as they say, why have dinosaur bones been found that still had soft tissue cells in them? It is obvious to me that people who believe in evolution are not independent thinkers. (sheeple)
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    AdrianT Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:37 am
    If the American colonists came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:41 am
    "If the American colonists came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?" lols.
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    Roswellian Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Because monkeys are awesome, that`s why!

    Stupid church...not knowing about monkeys...whole world`s goin` to hell....
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Do go on, startech. You are providing us with plenty of lol-worthy quotes from you.

    "Sheeple"? Really? IAB, methinks we have an Alex Jones listener in our midst.
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    Ruswut Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:46 am
    A better question is... why are there dinosaurs?
  72. Profile photo of fiizok
    fiizok Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:47 am
    Someone at the Crossroads Community Church doesn`t understand the theory of evolution.
  73. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:48 am
    startech-wow, your really did eat paint chips as a kid-feel free to read this link. This should close up your supposed gap-all creationist/evolution deniers are the same.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070412-dino-tissues.html
  74. Profile photo of Nebbie
    Nebbie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:50 am
    Apes and humans evolved from the same common ancestor. We didn`t evolve from monkeys. No respectable scientist or evolutionist has EVER said we did. If someone has, they don`t read.
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    mystery08 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:55 am
    silly church
  76. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:58 am
    Evolution is not fact. Or atleast our understanding of it isn`t. We know way to little about the origin of life to state anything as fact.
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    ierpe Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    If Church had looked at the world, just for a second, they would see that there is always many families in different species... We just evolved from one family, but they were still many others that gave birth to today`s monkeys...
    This is just so dumb...
    And it has been proved that at the dawn of man, they were at least 4 other straight walking species that disappeared in course of the evolution...
    Church is very good at making stupid statement, but never tries to prove anything...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    If you can`t argue with fact, try to confuse the issue. Politicians do it all the time.
  79. Profile photo of GHudston
    GHudston Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    @DiegoDeFuego

    Evolution is not the same thing as the origin of life.
  80. Profile photo of im_smart
    im_smart Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    answer:

    because the monkeys we have today are not the same as the monkeys we evolved from.
  81. Profile photo of DJDoubleb
    DJDoubleb Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    Ok, so I get the Apes and man evolved from the same ancestor. Now the question I have is how do you get 2 species from one?
  82. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    I believe in evolution (more specifically intelligent design) but it seems that anytime anyone questions evolution they are labled stupid and told to shut up. Aren`t people supposed to question everything? Isn`t that how we learn and progress? There are many holes in evolution... why not talk about them?
  83. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    @Ghudston

    Well yeah its a part of the origin of life, the origin of the life on the earth today. BUt if you`re just talking about the origin of the very first living thing you`re right.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    DiegoDeFuego-I love the term intelligent design-a dressed up version of creationist-either way you are retarded.

    Note to self-do not feed the troll Canusuck, do not feed the troll
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    What? because i believe something different then you i`m stupid and (you might not have been referreing to me) a troll?
  86. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    oh my goodness stupid religious idiots and stupid athiest idiots stop arguing. you can`t prove logic is right by using logic, just like you can`t prove the bible is right with the bible. hence, faith, everyone has it, just in different things.

    and clearly these guys didn`t study their biology
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    They should answer it themselves. All christfags need is a book, no facts apparently.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Anyways, I said retarded, not stupid, and retarded as in the following:
    A person considered to be foolish or socially inept
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    McBlaster Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    @ DJDoubleb

    you have to understand that evolution is not a linear transition. When a being is born with a trait that helps them better survive, it does not spell death from the being it was born from. Think of evolution more as the roots of a tree, with several smaller roots branching off giant main roots, where the main root continues to thrive.
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    I know your not supposed to post a bagillion times on one post but I live in Mississippi and i rarely get to discuss evolution with anyone with any knowledge or really any opinion. So if anyone could not decide that I`m a troll and just discuss some ideas about evolution with me i would really appreciate it.
  91. Profile photo of DJDoubleb
    DJDoubleb Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Christfags?

    Haterz gonna hate...
  92. Profile photo of Wundt
    Wundt Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Humans ARE monkeys, so this statement is wrong on several levels.

    Failure to understand evolution does not make it wrong. It just means you don`t understand evolution. The TRUTH is that every argument against evolution by creationists and IDers (who are just creationists pretending not to be) has been refuted by measureable data collected by through replicable and well conducted scientific test tests.

    www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
  93. Profile photo of Nebbie
    Nebbie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    "Ok, so I get the Apes and man evolved from the same ancestor. Now the question I have is how do you get 2 species from one?"

    Have two kids. In a million years, are they going to look the same?

    There are a lot of evolutionary paths to be taken, it`s not just man and apes, there are tons of other species, most extinct simply because their path wasn`t optimal.
  94. Profile photo of DJDoubleb
    DJDoubleb Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    McBlaster:

    Ok, but if no ancestor had that trait before, where does it come from. For instance a snake has DNA to be solid black, then one day one has yellow spots which makes it better camouflaged, so it survives, passing on it`s genes. Where do the genes fro yellow spots appear in a species? What causes the change. Is it just a random mutation that somehow improves it`s life, therefore causing the genes to be passed on?
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    Wundt I`m confused. What is your definition of intelligent design. Mine is that God created the first living creature, then facilitated the evolution from that point on. How is that creationism?
  96. Profile photo of Nebbie
    Nebbie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    And I will c*nt punt anyone who says "evolution is a theory"

    It`s a theory in the same way the sun rising every morning is a theory. You can never guarantee it, but the evidence is there to say there`s a 99% chance it`ll happen.
  97. Profile photo of Nebbie
    Nebbie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    DJDoubleb

    Pretty much.
  98. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    these people are too dumb to listen to the answers to their question.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    This sign completely misses the point. Monkey and humans have a COMMON ANCESTOR!!!
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    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    @Nebbie

    WE know a lot more about the sun rise then we do about evolution.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    wow almost a hundred comments already.
  102. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    DiegoDeFuego-please check out this link, you are embarrassing yourself:
    Evolution Explained

    Now, trust me, there is more proof for the "Theory of Evolution" than there is for the existance of a supposed god. Faith is something no one can disprove so if that is your proof then it is all yours so don`t say it makes it fact.
  103. Profile photo of kummi90
    kummi90 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    The theory that evolution is a linear transission is an outdated theory. Yes, the famous image of apes gradually evolving into Man is NOT correct...
  104. Profile photo of Wundt
    Wundt Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    DiegoDeFuego

    If you read the writings of IDers, they believe that god had a hand in guiding evolution, not just starting it. For example, IDers will cite the eye or the flagella on a sperm as examples of something too complex to evolve naturally. They will also make claims about a lack of transitional species. However, both of these claims ARE WRONG. We can track the development of both of these features through progressive mutations. And, there ARE transitional species in the fossil record, in fact EVERY ORGANISM is a tranistional species, we are a transition between early humans and something that will follow. In short, they make the same claim as creationists, `god did it`, but dress them in scientific terms.

    What you describe is much like Deism. God is out there, but does not play a direct hand in our lives. God was the spark, but evolution is what led to biodiversity. (This also tends to argue against the idea that man is in any way special in god`s eyes
  105. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    I drating hate christianity!
  106. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    @canusuck

    I don`t have sound on this computer so i can`t watch that video.

    But it just seems you are assuming a lot about what i have to say before i really have said anything. And i`m not trying to prove anything about God. I`m not trying to prove anything. I just want to talk about the things. Like this

    How did wasp and bees start building structures. It just doesn`t make any sense to me. Wasps actually make paper to make homes. I can`t imagine a wasp one day took a bite out of some would, chewed it up, spread it out and thought "well this would make a good nest"

    that`s just one example of something that just doesn`t add up to me.
  107. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    wood not would
  108. Profile photo of ajr2006
    ajr2006 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    Man evolved from early primates, as did modern monkeys. Simple answer.
  109. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    *sigh*

    No no NO! We didnt evolved from the modern monkeys. We were once the same species, then it diverge in different branches including Monkey, Apes, Human, etc...
  110. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    @DiegoDeFuego

    I would imagine for someone like you there are a lot of things that "don`t make sense"...
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    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    This is actually pretty funny. I like to think that God started evolution, because the chances of life forming on a planet, and all the factors that needed to be in the right places, the chance that life could form is almost insignificant. I`m just sayin.
  112. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    @ Wundt

    Well what i believe is that natural selection is what every other creature besides man came from. But i think that there are some things that couldn`t have evolved no matter how much time it took. These things needed God`s help.
  113. Profile photo of Nebbie
    Nebbie Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    This is actually pretty funny. I like to think that God is a product of man as a way to give someone else the blame and to give people hope that doesn`t exist.... Wait...
  114. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    @diegodefago

    You have look at things on a much larger scale. I don`t know the details but imagine that wasps evolved from something similar to today`s ants.

    1. one day an ant is born with the ability to chew wood, this allows the ant to survive better than its friends because it makes its home out of a dead tree.

    2. these tree chewing ants spread to different areas thanks to their new skills.

    3. Then the climate changes and a different type of tree takes over. This tree is too hard for them to chew a home into so one day a few ants start spitting the wood into a little wood cave on the ground.

    4. then an ant is born with a mutation that allows if to glide off of tree branches, this type of ant then evolves into having wings and a refined ability to create hanging chewed wood homes.

    A story like this makes far more sense than "god made it because the bible says so".
  115. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    So Ryan... i assume that you have an answer for my question that i`m to dumb to understand... or did you just take an oppurtunity to make yourself feel witty?
  116. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    ... so 3 just happened... ok
  117. Profile photo of Chaim
    Chaim Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Because God realized the mistake with humans. That and monkeys are way cooler than people.
  118. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    @CapnAwesome
    What facts do you possess that make you believe that it is more probable that a god, who created himself, is more likely to occur than for certain elements to combine to accidentally create life.
  119. Profile photo of warlockweb
    warlockweb Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    hmm.. the bible says God made man in "his own image"... Science says we evolved from apes. Ok.. well then it`s obvious that God is an ape and we`ve evolved beyond him *looks furtively about for flying bananas*
  120. Profile photo of _kiersten_
    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Hm. I think, that we weren`t evolved from TODAYS modern monkey, but another species. But I am not sure.
  121. Profile photo of Sakamura
    Sakamura Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    Because modern monkeys didn`t require the same prerequisites than we did to evolve. Geez... most intelligence doesn`t really mean most successful. Look at ants. Some animals go faster, some need to procreate more, some are ridiculously nimble, some can eat mostly anything. Intelligence is but one of many traits. Monkeys and other primates are quite successful.
  122. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    As a general side note, I love the argument that we are so complex that we must have had a creator.

    Yea... evolution doesn`t make sense, but something creating itself out of nothing as an all powerful being that watches everything everyone does, that makes logical sense....riggght.
  123. Profile photo of zmeace
    zmeace Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    thank you ajr2006, i was thinking of a way to put that and you said it perfectly
  124. Profile photo of SirLunchalot
    SirLunchalot Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    Never really understood why it´s easier to believe in an allmighty god who created everything by magic, than in evolution.
  125. Profile photo of Jasonbobdude
    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    "This is actually pretty funny. I like to think that God started evolution, because the chances of life forming on a planet, and all the factors that needed to be in the right places, the chance that life could form is almost insignificant. I`m just sayin."

    I agree. I don`t see any reason why God and evolution have to be exclusive to each other. Couldn`t evolution be proof that God is still doing something up there?
  126. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    Actually shows how much hte church knows!
  127. Profile photo of crabcake
    crabcake Female 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    i hate those stupid signs. all of them.
  128. Profile photo of viax
    viax Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Man didn`t evolve from monkeys. Man and monkey evolved from the same ancestor.
  129. Profile photo of ryanflc
    ryanflc Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    @ Jasonbobdude

    I will assume that you are referring to the Christian God in your question.

    1. God created the earth 6000 yrs ago -ummm try billions of yrs ago
    2. God created man 6000 yrs ago- how the f**k did we all come from one set of people 6000 years ago?
    3. God flooded the entire earth 4000 years ago and everyone died except for Noah`s family---really, does anyone actually believe that we all came from Noah 4000 years ago? Do you believe that all of the diversity on the earth was packed into a single boat 4000 years ago?

    As you can see either evolution is correct and the Christian God does not exist OR all of science is wrong and the earth is only 6000 years old.
  130. Profile photo of shaboinkin
    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    This statement is wrong on so many levels.
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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    -headdesk-
    Don`t tell me they`re that stupid... are they?

    I mean, I have nothing against religion, but anything taken to extreams beyond logic is a bad thing.
  132. Profile photo of Bremir
    Bremir Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Maybe other monkeys/apes didn`t evolve or haven`t evolved yet. Maybe they can`t. Maybe we were a special case, and obviously the species of monkey/ape we may have evolved from won`t exist now because we are the species of monkey/ape that evolved.

    That would be my answer to that anyway. Maybe we aren`t an evolved monkey/ape, but I also don`t believe we were created by a God, and I say a God because there are so bloody many in Myths, other religions and cultures that if there is a God who is to say that Zeus doesn`t exist, or Odin?

    I don`t believe there is a God, however, but if I were to believe in a God I`d certainly not go with the Christian view.
  133. Profile photo of Zerj
    Zerj Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    Darwin never said we evolved from monkeys. LOL Church your funny.
  134. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    It`s called a common ancestor. Learn some goddamn science.
  135. Profile photo of magoo22
    magoo22 Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    I am not even going to comment on this.It`s dumb!...(oops)
  136. Profile photo of RaabDiabolus
    RaabDiabolus Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Because man did not evolve from monkeys, man evolved from a a creature similar to monkeys.
  137. Profile photo of ILikeApples
    ILikeApples Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    let me ask you this.. if god flooded the earth and killed everyone, why do you worship him
  138. Profile photo of skipidydooda
    skipidydooda Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    AND who was PHONE!?
  139. Profile photo of Kanchan
    Kanchan Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Man didn`t evolve from monkeys, we eveolved from christians.
  140. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    "It`s called a common ancestor. Learn some goddamn science."

    Exactly. Sigh, its sad that a basic science education would have answered this question, but these people think "teachers" and "education" are "liberal," thus evil for good ol` conservatives to learn.

    The BETTER question is, can God make a burrito so hot that even he couldn`t eat it?
  141. Profile photo of Jammey
    Jammey Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    The same reason that there`s still single celled amoebas. Christ!
  142. Profile photo of MadhatterVTR
    MadhatterVTR Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    What i dont get is... All of man Kind came from Adam and Eve, who had TWO sons... which means there was some obvious incest. Then when Noah built the ark and god killed everybody (that was produced from incest) but Noah and his wife, in order for them to reproduce there had to of been more incest... That`s pretty darn gross if you ask me.
  143. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    April 16, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    "How did wasp and bees start building structures"

    That is a fair statement. But then you have to ask, what is more likely? That a conscious, intelligent, invisible being in the sky "intelligently" guided the development of that trait, OR evolution and natural selection had a hand.

    We can see evidence of evolution happening. God - by definition - is not susceptible to proof. I`ll take "provable" over "not provable" as the basis for my knowledge anyday.
  144. Profile photo of Molehouse
    Molehouse Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    We`re both the offspring of a common ancestor, whilst we got big brains and opposable thumbs they got big tails and colourfull bottoms. Our body is suited for tools and stuff, theirs for living in forests.
  145. Profile photo of bigbangbilly
    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    @ILikeApples well true
  146. Profile photo of sfo2tmt
    sfo2tmt Female 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    I thought it was man and monkey evolved from the same creature...some thing that no longer exists??
  147. Profile photo of Djer
    Djer Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Madhatter-According to the Bible, God apparently created more people after A+E got kicked out of Eden, because Cain runs off and joins them after he kills Abel. Also, if you read the Noah story closer, God actually saves Noah, his wife, as well as their sons and THEIR wives. But that`s just nitpicking. :-P

  148. Profile photo of StarDagger
    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Crossroads Community Church. Their comment was not based on an evolution/creationism debate but out of interest, CCC has the highest percentage of SpecOps Snipers of any church, they just want to know where and why the monkeys are, they a-goin huntin!!
  149. Profile photo of redser99
    redser99 Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    Um, because monkeys are simply a lower (well, maybe not lower) evolution of man?

    Since man created god(s), maybe, in fact, monkeys have evolved from man too? :)

    This one is a thinker, but I`ve got better things to do, like learn how to laugh.
  150. Profile photo of Rman1201
    Rman1201 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    Lame. Solved during high school biology.

    We didn`t evolve from anything currently in existence, it was a common ancestor that branched our in different directions. One branch was the Great Apes, and we`re an offshoot of that branch.
  151. Profile photo of iamboredtooo
    iamboredtooo Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    makes sense, after all..if my parents gave birth to me, how come my parents still exist?
  152. Profile photo of Wundt
    Wundt Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    Humans didn`t evolve from monkeys, WE ARE MONKEYS.

    Saying humans evolved from monkeys is like saying tigers evolved from felines, or dogs from canines. One is a subset of the other. Humans are a subset of monkeys, we did not evolve from them, we ARE them. This sign is fractally wrong; at every level, it is incorrect.

    If you cannot win an argument on merit, you must resort to lies and personal attacks. This sign is more proof that creationism secretly knows is cannot win the argument on the basis of truth.
  153. Profile photo of vandyleeann
    vandyleeann Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    It`s the same way that crocodiles evolved from ancient alligators. Just because there was a genetic anomaly and it became a new species doesn`t mean ALL of them become the new species.
  154. Profile photo of trudenter
    trudenter Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    saying we evolved from monkeys isn`t exactly right, we just have a common ancestor. However I still believe there was some sort of problem with a missing link. Or something along that line.
  155. Profile photo of conky
    conky Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    Monkeys are still around to keep the churches busy once a week.
  156. Profile photo of Raberboom
    Raberboom Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    Those church people think they`re so smart, to bad they haven`t heard of biology or genetics.
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    oddstef Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    massive facepalm
  158. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    I thought it was man and monkey evolved from the same creature...some thing that no longer exists??

    That`s what the evidence indicates. No way to be absolutely sure because it happened millions of years ago.

    So reality makes the question monumentally ignorant on yet another level - the animal we evolved from *doesn`t* exist any more (and hasn`t existed for millions of years).
  159. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    F-ing stupid. We didn`t evolve from Monkeys. Monkeys and humans both evolved from what was basically a lemur. And they recently found the missing link.
    Also, just because you evolved from something doesn`t mean the original species goes extinct. Domestic dogs evolved from wolves, yet we still have wolves.
  160. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    saying we evolved from monkeys isn`t exactly right, we just have a common ancestor. However I still believe there was some sort of problem with a missing link. Or something along that line.

    Some people thought (and some still think) that there should be some half-human half-ape creature, the missing link. That`s not what the theory of evolution predicts, though. It`s more of a media thing, dumbing it down for a mass audience or because the journalist doesn`t understand the theory of evolution.

    There would be an unknowable number of "missing links", with many steps between a common ancestor of all primates and homo sapiens (and an unknowable number of side branches, some dying out, some leading to other primates).

    Even if humans had evolved from monkeys (which is not true), there would still be a straightforward answer to the question - because nothing killed all the monkeys.

    The question is ignorant in so many ways.
  161. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Humans didn`t evolve from monkeys, WE ARE MONKEYS.

    No, we aren`t. We`re primates. Monkeys are primates. But we`re not monkeys.
  162. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    For anyone who doesn`t see what is wrong with that question:

    Can you and your brother`s descendants both exist?
    Will your brother`s descendants look more like him, and yours look more like you?
    Do you have the same parents?

    So same origins, different attributes, coexisting. End of story.
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    iiiihatejmac Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    lol is this supposed to be racist
  164. Profile photo of arniegrape
    arniegrape Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    monkeys r awesome!!!

    <(^.^)>
  165. Profile photo of Clatterclaws
    Clatterclaws Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    Man. Didn`t. Evolve. From. Monkeys. No educated evolutionist thinks that.
  166. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    I`m willing to bet that if we had evolved from something more "cool," like panthers/bears ect. people`s egos would respond to that more positively and they would have completely dropped the childish genesis story a looooong time ago.
  167. Profile photo of Winter_ICE_0
    Winter_ICE_0 Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    "same origins, different attributes, coexisting. End of story. "

    Nail on the head.
  168. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Hybrid cars `evolved` from the standard internal combustion car, but we still have both. Logically, we `still have monkeys` in case we run out of homosapiens to kill or frak.
  169. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    oh please spaghetti monster please make it stop
  170. Profile photo of lerie
    lerie Female 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    LOL

    Can`t formulate any other answer to such a stupid statement.
  171. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    Because we didn`t evolve from monkeys, we evolved at the same time as monkeys from an earlier primate.

    If we`re made in the image of God, why do we all look different?
  172. Profile photo of ElSombrero
    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    Okay... I think unless you`re a 5th grader, you know this.

    The thing about Catholicism or any religion is that anyone can start their own sect. You can`t blame everyone on a whole for signs like this.
  173. Profile photo of sereniee
    sereniee Female 18-29
    205 posts
    April 16, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    thats a common misunderstanding about evolution. we didnt EVOLVE FROM monkeys.. we share a common ancestor with monkeys.. there is a difference. we are more like cousins to monkeys rather than grandchildren of monkeys. thats why they are still around.
  174. Profile photo of Slings
    Slings Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    Thank you to the enlightened and educated who answered this. Kudos to SilverThread and sereniee for jumping on this.
  175. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    If God saves the rightious.....How come Churches get burned, bombed, commit rape, beat its members.....I can go on and on and on.....
  176. Profile photo of kylegumby
    kylegumby Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    if you`re god`s chosen people, why are you so stupid?
  177. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    There would be an unknowable number of "missing links", with many steps between a common ancestor of all primates and homo sapiens (and an unknowable number of side branches, some dying out, some leading to other primates).


    But that`s not how current evolutionary theory is thought to work. Slow change is not what scientists believe happened now, They believe in sudden rapid change followed by long periods of `stasis`. At least this is how they are explaining why the `missing links` haven`t been found, Because the `links` didn`t live long enough to be fossilized.
  178. Profile photo of Pyrosisflame
    Pyrosisflame Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    Failed education.
    darwin stated that Humans and APES evolved from the same descendants. common misconception.
    if god mad humans, why do we find dinosaur fossils?

    oh wait another misconception... the bible actually stated that he came along while there was already the heavens and the earth he just separated and perfected them... so what created them before god... :D
  179. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    Angilion, care to share the secret of the I-A-B italics?
  180. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    >Brassbull

    Blah blah without the spaces.
  181. Profile photo of bananamansam
    bananamansam Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    Well if you finished reading that magazine you probably found in your dentist`s office lobby, you would realize that no scientist ever said we evolved from monkeys but a similar ancestor, which broke off into two distinct species. If you`re going to bash science, do your research.
  182. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    > Pyrosisflame
    > oh wait another misconception... the bible actually stated blah blah blah

    And you talk about OTHER people`s errors! The very first frakking verse of the Bible! "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth."

    Your incredible tome of theological intellect humbles me.
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    RAGEMONSTER Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    Duh...For man to laugh at.
  184. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    Thanks Lionheart
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    Because that sh*t is not going to throw itself that`s why.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    At least this is how they are explaining why the `missing links` haven`t been found, Because the `links` didn`t live long enough to be fossilized.

    No missing links found in human evolution, Crakr? You either live under a rock or are willfully ignorant. The latter seems more likely.
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    erikthevikin Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    If Chickens evolved from lizards???
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    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    Lionhart, it`s still a decent enough point,
    Where did the dinosaur fossils come from if the earth is a young earth?
    Did god put them there to test people?

    If he did just put them there to test people, that bothers me, that there is this powerful god going "OH-HO-HO! LETS SEE IF THEY BELIEVE NOW!"
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    I get sad when I think about how many people don`t care to learn about science.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    Actually, I think the theory is that we evolved from the Ape but there are still apes so point taken.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 8:51 pm
    Steelgrid, there is also the Biblical point that it rains on the just and unjust alike. God isn`t saving the righteous from morons, zealots, bullets, bombs and bigotry. It`s the souls that are safe from facing eternal separation from God`s grace. If you need any more help with a little clarity on an issue, I`m always happy to.
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    Sheilakh Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    There are still other primates because humans could only evolve due to the fact that they had exactly the right environmental conditions to allow them to evolve. If those conditions could be recreated over a vast amount of time then, theoretically, we could create a second evolution of humans.
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    If my family came from England, why are there still the English?
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    Animecha Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    I laughed so hard the moment I read this. It`s that we and apes evolved from a common ancestor. This wouldn`t be half as funny if there weren`t people around who actually thought this (the sign) was a good argument. lol
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    I almost hope that the Christians are right. That way, when the rapture comes, all those folks will be out of the way, and the rest of us science minded people will have the world all to ourselves. No more dogma stalling stem-cell research and the like, people can end their lives if they live in constant pain and suffering and nobody will ever be trapped in the twilight of a vegetative state.

    And seriously, who wants to go to their heaven any way. I mean in heaven there is no sin, and last time I checked, the 7 deadly sins were really fun to commit. Hmmm live in a place where I can`t lie in bed all day, gorging on chips, watching porn while envying my neighbor`s new car and screaming about my damn boss who doesn`t pay me enough money because I want a new 100 inch tv? No thanks!
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    eric1214 Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    The theory of evolution doesn`t say that humans evolved from monkeys. Just that humans and apes have a common ancestor. They should probably make sure they understand the concept before they try to contradict it . . .
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    frenchroast Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    If man is so smart and educated nowadays, why are there churches?
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    Kalimata

    when you "poof" out of existence, can I have your stuff? Actually, why wait? Acccording to atheism, life has no meaning or value, it is just mindless, purposeless reactions between complex molecules.
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    pedology Male 13-17
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    These guys have obviously done their research... If you`re gonna bash something at least get your facts right... jeez....
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    Acccording to atheism, life has no meaning or value, it is just mindless, purposeless reactions between complex molecules.

    You do not need to be religious to value and meaning in life. Many atheists are humanitarians, doctors, psychologists, teachers, artists. Many of them are spiritual and find an intrinsic beauty in the universe. Don`t attempt to demonize something you are not willing to understand.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    April 16, 2010 at 10:59 pm
    yeah.im going with eric1214 here...nowhere ever..not even in darwin did it say humans evolved from apes. having a common ancestor is a WORLD or difference..those idiots are the ones that keep the lie from dying
  202. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:17 pm
    But that`s not how current evolutionary theory is thought to work. Slow change is not what scientists believe happened now, They believe in sudden rapid change followed by long periods of `stasis`. At least this is how they are explaining why the `missing links` haven`t been found, Because the `links` didn`t live long enough to be fossilized.

    "rapid" and "change" are relative terms. The idea you refer to (which isn`t thought to be true by all scientists, the vast majority of whom don`t study evolution anyway) does not refer to huge changes in an entire species from one generation to the next. It refers to bigger changes over a shorter amount of time than was previously thought likely.

    Quite a few "missing links" have been found, but you will have to keep ignoring that to maintain your faith.

    Fossilisation requires specific conditions and rarely happens. The vast majority of fossils will not have been found yet a
  203. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    when you "poof" out of existence, can I have your stuff? Actually, why wait? Acccording to atheism, life has no meaning or value, it is just mindless, purposeless reactions between complex molecules.

    I see you`re still determined to cling to your ignorant, irrational and inaccurate beliefs about atheism.

    That says a lot about your faith.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Science *never* said humans evolved from apes. Science said that humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. That makes humans and apes related species. And those who abhor the idea of humans evolving from apes may be even more incensed to learn that we did not evolve from apes, but from a more primitive species.
  205. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    CrakrJak:
    Slow change is not what scientists believe happened now, They believe in sudden rapid change followed by long periods of `stasis`.

    Doesn`t contradict what Angilion said. When a species conquers a new habitat or has to deal with a changing habitat the selection pressure is much higher. Mutants who fit better have a much higher reproduction rate, so change appears to be faster. In a population that is already well adapted to its environment mutants don`t have that high advantage, so change seems `stalled`.
    Also, the number of the new settlers or survivors of a rapid change of environtment will be small compared to the original gene pool, so it`s unlikely to find fossiles of all the transient forms.
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    @Angilion

    "I see you`re still determined to cling to your ignorant, irrational and inaccurate beliefs about atheism.

    That says a lot about your faith."


    Would it say a lot about his faith or about him as a person? To assume his views reflect the faith he chooses to follow is just as ignorant of a generalization and puts you in the same boat. Enjoy.
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    mikehatesyou Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    ahhhhhh...the stupid it burns
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    Wassup287 Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:22 am
    Give an old person and a monkey a digital camera.

    See what happens.
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    Wassup287 Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:38 am
    Also, belief in evolution doesn`t necessarily make you an atheist.
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    puppies04 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:52 am
    Why are we trying to explain this to people still? It doesn`t matter what you say they will never believe you.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:09 am
    puppies04: Why are we trying to explain this to people still? It doesn`t matter what you say they will never believe you.

    Old people wouldn`t. Their believe system is already formed. Those in the 13-17 range are more likely to be not convinced by one side or the other. Giving up on explaining things will result in losing that generation.
    There may also be some older people with open minds and some gaps in their education.
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    michaelcsr Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:17 am
    People like that give us Christians a bad name. WE DIDN"T EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS! You dumbasses! We evolved from the same species that apes evolved from. They weren`t apes till we were humans. However, I guess I am just as ignorant as these non-nice individuals cause I can`t remember what the species was called that we and the apes evolved from. Screw it, time for a smoke.
  213. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:04 am
    Pooptart19: No missing links found in human evolution, Crakr? You either live under a rock or are willfully ignorant. The latter seems more likely.

    Very few, And some they`ve only found a few bone chips of (they reconstructed the rest from what they think the skulls looked like)

    It`s like trying to watch a movie and you only get a frame every 5 minutes or so. Where are all the missing `frames` ? You`d be correct if you said that wasn`t a movie at all, Not even a bad stop-motion one. That`s why evolution and the lame excuses made for it`s failures doesn`t make sense.
  214. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:21 am
    osmandias: "When a species conquers a new habitat or has to deal with a changing habitat the selection pressure is much higher. Mutants who fit better have a much higher reproduction rate, so change appears to be faster."

    The problem with that part of the theory is that there are many species under that sort of stress right now, and they are not adapting or evolving, They are going extinct. Going extinct before adaptation kills the whole idea of the diversity needed for evolution to take place. Nothing has `evolved` since humans have kept track of the flora and fauna around them. Humans have bred and adapted many organisms, But we haven`t `evolved` anything even on our own efforts.
  215. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:40 am
    CrakrJak: It`s like trying to watch a movie and you only get a frame every 5 minutes or so. Where are all the missing `frames` ? You`d be correct if you said that wasn`t a movie at all, Not even a bad stop-motion one. That`s why evolution and the lame excuses made for it`s failures doesn`t make sense.

    Failures of evolution theorie? There are none. Every new piece of the puzzle they`ve found fits into the picture. The fact that there are some pieces still missing was only to be expected because not every dead body gets fossilized and it would be a hell of a work to dig through all relevant layers of all Africa.
    The only failure I see is your expectation to get a full set of fossiles.
    And if there`d be one one day you`d say: "I knew it. God is perfect, so he let us have a perfect set of fossiles to test our faith."
  216. Profile photo of Benjaminovic
    Benjaminovic Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:59 am
    it`s simple there is more than one kind of monkey
  217. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:00 am
    CrakrJak: The problem with that part of the theory is that there are many species under that sort of stress right now, and they are not adapting or evolving, They are going extinct.

    They are evolving and some do it so fast that it can be watched in a single lifetime of a human. Viruses and bacteria have generation cycles of days or hours. New strains form within a few years. Ever heard of the problem with multi resitant germs? Thats evolution.
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    shneeblefish Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:21 am
    I don`t see why this debate has to go on... each side is too stubborn to listen to the other`s argument and very rarely will one try to understand both sides...
  219. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:37 am
    shneeblefish: [quote">I don`t see why this debate has to go on... each side is too stubborn to listen to the other`s argument and very rarely will one try to understand both sides...[quote">

    It`s for those who haven`t decided yet. They get arguments pro and con.

    here are a few: misconceptions about evolution
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    JJdagdelen
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:56 am
    The answer is that humans ARE monkeys. People don`t understand that scientists are NOT saying that we came from monkeys, but that both apes, monkeys, and ourselves came from a COMMON ANCESTOR.
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    tylertooo Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:09 am
    If Christians evolved from Jews, why are there still Jews?
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    JJdagdelen
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:16 am
    CrakrJak, you are either EXTREMELY misinformed about the existence of "missing links" or DELIBERATELY ignoring evidence. Here`s some information you should look at before making any statements about this subject. It is verifiable, sourced, and SCIENCE.

    Wikipedia -> List of human evolution fossils.

    "You may be entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."
  223. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:42 am
    Viruses and bacteria have generation cycles of days or hours. New strains form within a few years. Ever heard of the problem with multi resitant germs? Thats evolution.

    No that`s adaptation, There is a difference. Plus viruses and bacteria have to take over fully functioning cells in order to reproduce, they can`t reproduce on their own. Their adaptation is very limited because of their reliance on their host cells machinery, That is why they change when they find new host cells from a different species.

    There are none. Every new piece of the puzzle they`ve found fits into the picture. Really, Then Please explain the `Cambrian Explosion`. The Scientific American called it “life’s big bang.” It is considered one of the biggest challenges to evolutionary theory. Many reputable and highly accomplished scientists at major accredited universities worldwide say it is an insurmountable challenge.
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    Ace_Mazta Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:54 am
    evolution occurs when a population is seperatated from others of its own species, and natural selection affexts this population and not the other. duh
  225. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:56 am
    JJdagdelen: Most of what you see there are mock ups built from small bone chips. Everything before `Homo sapiens` are apes. Our brains just didn`t just double in size overnight. There are also doubts that `Homo erectus` walked bipedaly most of the time and studies of their teeth suggest a diet not unlike that of a chimpanze.
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    Tominatrix Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:03 am
    tylertooo
    If Christians evolved from Jews, why are there still Jews?

    correct response.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:20 am
    "No that`s adaptation, There is a difference."

    No, there isn`t. A lifeform changing its characteristics from generation to generation in order to adapt to its environment is what evolution IS. That`s what "survival of the fittest" means - not fit as in physically fit, but fit as in best suited to the environment.

    "Plus viruses and bacteria have to take over fully functioning cells in order to reproduce, they can`t reproduce on their own."

    Just laughably untrue. Bacteria reproduce on their own all the time. You can watch it happen. I would expect anyone with a high-school level of education to know that.
  228. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:22 am
    CrakrJak: [quote"> No that`s adaptation, There is a difference. [/quote">

    Adaption to a new environment is the first step of evolving into a new species. btw: those where examples I had in mind without refering to literature. What about those ?

    [quote"> Really, Then Please explain the `Cambrian Explosion`. The Scientific American called it “life’s big bang.” It is considered one of the biggest challenges to evolutionary theory. Many reputable and highly accomplished scientists at major accredited universities worldwide say it is an insurmountable challenge. [/quote"> [Citation needed">
    Seems you are not so ignorant as you show of. You go from realy, realy stupid to more sophisticated arguments. Do I have to debunk them or can we see this from a different angle?

    I say: The theorie of evolution is the best and
  229. Profile photo of shneeblefish
    shneeblefish Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:22 am
    "I almost hope that the Christians are right. That way, when the rapture comes, all those folks will be out of the way, and the rest of us science minded people will have the world all to ourselves."

    you should try learning from this guy:
    "If you`re gonna bash something at least get your facts right."

    You won`t get the world to yourselves. Christians believe that when Jesus returns, the earth will be destroyed, a new heaven and earth will be created, and those saved will live forever on the new earth. Those not saved will go to hell, and <insert hell/eternal torture reference here>

    Or at least that`s the way I was told it.
  230. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:43 am
    cont.

    most accepted explanation to what we see.

    Do you have a better one?
  231. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:47 am
    Then Please explain the `Cambrian Explosion`.

    First off, to call something that lasted a minimum of 5 million years and possibly as many as 40 million years a sudden explosion is disingenuous.

    Possible explanation:
    The Cambrian era was the point at which many organisms developed `hard` parts in response to the late Precambrian emergence of active predators. These `hard` parts (EG teeth) fossilise more easily. Therefore there is an increase in the number of fossils, but not neccessarily the actual number of animals.

    Another possible explanation:
    Life before the Cambrian may have been microscopic, and therefore harder to find fossilised. Animal fossils <0.2mm have been discovered in China, dating ~50million years before the Cambrian. Early evolution may just be too small to see. The Cambrian explosion may just have been an increase in size of animal.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:53 am
    Third possible explanation:
    Animal life reached a point of sufficient complexity that rapid varied mutations and evolutions were possible. A similar one-time diversity increase is found for land plant life in the Devonian period, ~400 million years ago. Perhaps a sufficient level of complexity resulting in a period of greater variation is part of the evolutionary process.
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    Microchemist Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:11 am
    bacteria have to take over fully functioning cells in order to reproduce
    @Crackrjak
    This simple comment by you proves your ignorance. Educate yourseld before making such comments in the future. I would love for you to give me the name of a species of bacteria that cannot reproduce without the help of a host cell. Yes, there are bacteria that can infect other cells as a parasite, but even those are few and far between.
    The definition of evolution is the change of allelic frequency in a population over time. Meaning if the genes change in a population over time, that is evolution. Adaption can be evolution, depending on your definition of adaption.
    Please note that the quick developement of resistance to antibiotics such as ampicillin and streptomycin is due to the integration of a genetic parasite called a plasmid into bacterial genomes. Meaning, bacterial evolution, even with gneration times in the minutes, is slow without such intervening processes, but
  234. Profile photo of ghebert
    ghebert Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:44 am
    Because we didn`t evolve from monkeys. We evolved from neanderthals which are ape-like in appearance but are just humans from the stone age that were really hairy and didn`t walk erect (by erect I mean they didn`t walk upright like us. I know what some of you were thinking ;)
  235. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:52 am
    ghebert: We evolved from neanderthals

    Back to school, ghebert. Or look here
    You`ll find that humans didn`t evolve from homo neandertalensis. Both evolved from a common ancestor.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:56 am
    Because we didn`t evolve from monkeys. Monkeys and humans have a common ancestor. Question answered.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:22 am
    almightybob1: What you see are bacteria multiplying in a medium. No medium no reproduction. Viruses are not complete cells, You know this is true. Otherwise you`re being intentionally misleading.

    Also viruses can switch back to previous forms, H1N1 flu had existed before and only recently came back. That`s not evolution.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:50 am
    Bacteria need Food, Acidity, Temperature, Time, Oxygen, and Moisture to grow. They do not grow all on their own. Petri dishes have growth medium in them otherwise the bacteria would die.

    Viruses need other cells to reproduce.

    The material and environment they grow in influences their reproduction and formation. `Germ` resistance is not evolution. These same bacteria and viruses have been around forever.


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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:56 am
    CrakrJak: almightybob1: What you see are bacteria multiplying in a medium. No medium no reproduction. Viruses are not complete cells, You know this is true. Otherwise you`re being intentionally misleading.

    You`r losing it CrakrJak.
    1. You mixed up viruses and bacteria.
    2. Fish are organisms reproducing in a medium (water), no medium, no reproduction.
    In other words: bacteria need an environment to exist, for some that environment is a host. They get nutrition from the host, but they can live elsewere if the nutrition is there. No infiltration of cells required.
    3. Bob said nothing about viruses. He isn`t intentionaly misleading, you are, by mixing thing up.
  240. Profile photo of osmandias
    osmandias Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:21 am
    CrakrJak: `Germ` resistance is not evolution. These same bacteria and viruses have been around forever.

    So, if a bacterium aquires a new feature (resistance) in a closed environment, would that be proof of evolution?
    If not, than your understanding of the word evolution is different from mine - and that of everyone who has at least a highschool education.

    So you`d be right to say: evolution, as I understand it, is wrong.

    Have a nice weekend, I`m off.
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    Colby123 Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:43 am
    that`s a mistake many people make is that we evolved from monkeys...we didn`t. we share a common ancestor with monkeys
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    bankvole Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:51 am
    its such a retarded question that it makes my zoological university lecturer head throb.
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    eKarnage Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 9:00 am
    With just a little bit of education, you cannot respect this as a `good` question. It`s drating stupid
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    eKarnage Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 9:04 am
    ... and the only thing dumber than this question are some of the comments below
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    tozhan Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 9:34 am
    "that`s a mistake many people make is that we evolved from monkeys...we didn`t. we share a common ancestor with monkeys"

    while you are correct that we share a common acestor with monkeys its more correct to state that we share a direct lines of ancestry with apes who in turn share common ancestry with monkeys. this level of religious ignorance doesnt really exist in europe and i was shocked to find it so prevalent when i was in the states :(
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    Hitaki318 Female 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Fine, Crossroads Church, live in that little world of yours in which there are only humans.
    Come on, we need SOMETHING to laugh at and relate babies` faces to. Gosh.
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    There are still monkeys because the dinosaurs were created by god 2000 years ago to protect them from us. Its that simple!
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    pottersclay Female 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    stupid
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    It makes sense lol
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    senia Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    *rolls eyes at the stupidity of this post & at the people who agree* take some anthro classes.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Would it say a lot about his faith or about him as a person? To assume his views reflect the faith he chooses to follow is just as ignorant of a generalization and puts you in the same boat. Enjoy.

    You are assuming that his faith is the faith of everyone who believes in the same religion.

    I`m not. Any person`s faith is their own.

    You`re criticising me on the basis of *your* assumption. That is not reasonable.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    JJdagdelen: Most of what you see there are mock ups built from small bone chips. Everything before `Homo sapiens` are apes.

    To clarify:

    What do you mean by "apes"? A serious question - the word is not clearly defined and you make your own definitions of many words on this subject anyway.

    Are you claiming that humans are the first and only species of the homo genus?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    No that`s adaptation, There is a difference.

    That begs another question, perhaps one that should have been asked much earlier.

    You obviously aren`t using words with their usual meanings, so this question is key:

    What do you think the word `evolution` means?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    We evolved from neanderthals which are ape-like in appearance but are just humans from the stone age that were really hairy and didn`t walk erect (by erect I mean they didn`t walk upright like us. I know what some of you were thinking ;)

    Wrong in several ways.

    i) We did not evolve from neanderthals. It was originally thought possible that we did, but the neanderthal genome has been sequenced and it`s not a close enough match. They`re a different branch of the homo tree, a different evolution from a common ancestor.

    ii) They walked erect. Chances are that they were at least fairly intelligent, given that their brains were larger than ours.

    It`s likely that they were very hairy, though. It would have been useful in Europe in an ice age.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    Also viruses can switch back to previous forms, H1N1 flu had existed before and only recently came back. That`s not evolution.

    Why not?

    Besides, H1N1 does not specify the virus. It specifies the *type* of virus. There are different strains of H1N1. The fact that a strain of H1N1 existed in the past does not mean that a strain of H1N1 in the present is the same strain.
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    dfcrackhead Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    People didn`t evolve from monkey`s, no one ever said we came from monkey`s, Humans and Apes have a COMMON ANCESTOR, meaning some semi-caveman dude had a retarded hairy baby, and a not so retarded not so hairy baby and it went from there
  257. Profile photo of Oscola
    Oscola Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    People like this need to watched that Skewed views of Science video that was posted on here ages ago. If you don`t fully understand a scientific theory, then you have no basis on which to build an argument and it is likely your prejudices against the theory are based on internal bias rather than external fact. We may all change our bias freely, what we may not do is change or alter fact, all we can do is try our best to uncover what things are and are not facts in the correct way. If you haven`t seen the video, watch it, make your friends watch it and pass it onto any f.ucktard fundamental christian who tries to question a well evidenced documented theory by debunking it with a statement that has absolutely no relevance to that theory. Christianity served.
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    agamemnon Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    straw man
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    XbigXmommaX Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    well said oscola
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    zantrua2 Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 12:47 am
    This is the same as saying "If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?"
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    MrRubik Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 2:29 am
    lol oscola - "Christianity served"
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    itzazoom Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 3:30 am
    Australians "evolved" from English criminals. there are still English criminals.
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    redbullvodka Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 6:01 am
    wow someone just got pwned
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    TNoussis Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 6:27 am
    Lol, zantrua, too funny. I guess we didn`t evolve from the europeans, we devolved.
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    stripy_tie Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
    1. We didnt evolve from monkeys we evolved from the great apes. Monkeys have exactly nothing to do with our ancestry. Get it right ffs.

    2. The apes that are around today evolved as we did. Think of them as our siblings rather than our parents, the common ancestor that we shared died out a long time ago. They wouldn`t ask these questions if they developed a basic understanding of the theory they are criticising. F**ktards.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 9:25 am
    Bacteria need Food, Acidity, Temperature, Time, Oxygen, and Moisture to grow. They do not grow all on their own. Petri dishes have growth medium in them otherwise the bacteria would die.
    ??? Every living organism, without exception, needs those things to grow.
    Humans need every single thing you just listed, otherwise they die. Does that mean humans can`t reproduce on their own?


    This is seriously one of the most ridiculous objections I`ve EVER seen.
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    Camira Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    Just further evidence that Crossroads Church are ignorant. Is fancylad being a troll or just plain unintelligent?
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    charliew07 Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    Okay, I don`t even believe in such wide scale evolution myself, but at least I know the theory behind it which is half of what a person needs to refute something. You can`t just believe that what you believe is right you need to believe that what others believe is wrong in order to have a strong opinion. According to evolutionists, humans didn`t evolve from monkeys, both monkeys and humans evolved from a common species that is currently extinct. That species existed relatively close to us, therefore chimps and humans didn`t have much time to become biologicaly diverse. We are different by about two percent but are similar because we had a common ancestor more recent than that of Humans and, say lizards. That`s not my oppinion though that is theirs.
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    Dark_Soloist Male 13-17
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    April 19, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    I love these kinds of posts. It always inspires post wars.
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    Link364 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    Everyone just shut up! Nobody cares! Quit forcing your point of view on everyone! It`s just plain rediculus.
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    MEZA Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2010 at 10:00 am
    I remember my first beer.
  272. Profile photo of henkaman
    henkaman Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 4:05 am
    I have another thought; man has ALWAYS wanted to fly. But we have not even the smallest pair of initial wings? Instead, we use our brain to build aeroplanes. A brain with a capacity we only use to about 5-10%. Why did we evolve this huge brain, when we don`t use it? And why doesn`t all men have gigantic...well, you know. We all want to have that? (haha no, not everybody, but you get my point, maybe) ;)
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    `shopped. You can tell by the pixels.
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    Earl_Grey Female 18-29
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    April 23, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    @henkaman
    It`s not about want, it`s about need. To survive our ancestors needed to think and build tools and be able to manipulate them. That was enough. If in our evolutionary history, there was a time that our ancestors needed to be able to fly, maybe we would have evolved to have wings. But most likely we would have become extinct, because I`m pretty sure there it nothing in our ancestor`s genetic make-up that would allow us to have evolved with wings.
    Also, we didn`t evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a common ancestor, in answer to the question.
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    fivezones Male 40-49
    1021 posts
    July 16, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    henkaman:
    We actually use 100% of our brains. The 5% to 10% thing is an old myth that was dubunked years ago...a simple google search will help you figure that out.

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