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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 16, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Link: Christian Soldiers Plot War Against US Government - The group planned to kill police and attack the funeral with bombs hoping to spark an anti-government uprising. WWJD?
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:16 am
    america is a f ucked up place
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    chimion Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:20 am
    lol another weird Christian group
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:23 am
    wow. at first i thought it sounded like the onion, but i looked at the site and it`s REALLY weird
    "HUTAREE.COM"
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:26 am
    Inbred, obviously.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:26 am
    Religion bad.
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    andrewmedl Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:33 am
    If there`s any justice in this world, these men wil be raped mercilessly in jail.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:48 am
    these idiots are the exact reason people shouldn`t be allowed to own automatic weapons.
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    xxFlintxx Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:49 am
    w00t! I wish somebody would make a real effort in this whole "over throw the government"; I wanna watch it burn. All of it.
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    fknloser Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:59 am
    Throwing over the government is all about being America. But doing it the right way. These fruit cakes had completely different ideas. And killing cops is absolutely f**king stupid. They are not government, just guys with jobs that, in most cases, protect the American people. Lock these freaks away for good please. They are neither Christians nor Americans
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:07 am
    oh religion, you so crazy.
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    NotAllowed Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:08 am
    wtf is wrong with these people..? seriously..i`m dumbfounded.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:08 am
    I wonder if we got the whole story...I just can`t trust corporate news anymore.
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    frenchroast Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Shoot them in the head. Jesus is waiting.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:18 am
    oh yeah, go michigan!
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:25 am
    wait until the us goverment outlaws the militas...then you goose is cooked...try looking at the bigger picture...the one between `the patriot act` and `war on terror`...did i hear him mention `explosives expert`...who trains people in explosives...yes, you got it in one, the CIA...also the trainers of Tim mc veigh the patsy boy, imho!...every citizen has a duty to question what the mainstream media mouthpiece of theyre respective governments tells them...

    army of god my arse!!!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:26 am
    One of them is a registered Democrat; the rest are not affiliated with any party. Just a little factoid that NBC somehow managed to overlook...

    And this is why EVERYBODY should be allowed to own automatic weapons -- so when these nutcases start shooting, we can all shoot back.

    The 2nd amendment does not specify that citizens` arms must be inferior to those carried by the military. In fact, when the 2nd amendment was adopted, the standard-issue weapon for the army was a smooth-bore musket; the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle which was FAR superior in accuracy, range, rate of fire, and kill power.
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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:31 am
    @Brassbull, I agree. There is no type of recreational shooting, hunting, or otherwise that you can do with an automatic or a semiautomatic. I`m not a gun freak. I don`t own a gun. I have never touched a gun, nor ever really seen a gun first hand. I am not the authoritative figure here. But I do know that you can`t do anything with automatics and semiautomatics that doesn`t involve killing or causing harm to other humans. They aren`t for sport. For that matter, handguns aren`t either. I believe that there should be higher restrictions on such. Just a personal belief, not saying anyone else has to take it in the slightest. But there is nothing you can do with automatics, semiautomatics, or handguns that doesn`t, in the end, involve hurting someone else.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:38 am
    an armed society is a polite society
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:42 am
    "these idiots are the exact reason people shouldn`t be allowed to own automatic weapons."

    Yes, because a fanatical, anti-government, apocalyptic cult will surely never look to obtain automatic weapons illegally in the event of a federal ban.

    Their warped vision of religion is something to note, but more importantly, their fanaticism is tied to the human condition, not directly to religion. Despite what John Lennon said, if there was no religion, people would find something else to kill each other over.

    Religion has just become an easy and popular scapegoat. A deeper insight into this matter will reveal a much more complex issue. Of course, taking the easy way out is just another point of the human condition.
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    comuser59 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:54 am
    @screaminbean: Now that`s simply not true. If Mythbusters has taught us anything, they can be used for such things as cutting down trees, shooting fish in a barrel, etc. I would like to retain the ability to fell a tree by ye olde firepower if I so desired }-)
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    america is a f ucked up place

    Indeed!

    There ain`t much difference between America and a lot of middle eastern countries anymore.

    Armed religious fundamentalists? check.

    Hey I`ve got an idea! Why don`t you ship them off to Iran and fight the Jihadists? They`ll probably do it for free.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    agreed Dakkar, this is what happens when you take religion alone with you into the woods.

    people never should have been allowed automatic weapons in the first place, cause there`s no way the government could take them back now. especially not after this health care reform. we`d have a civil war on our hands.
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    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Banning guns only stops normal people from having weapons, not the criminals who will get them illegally anyways. Then you`re standing there with your semi auto 9mm with 9 rounds vs. a robber with an illegal fully auto assault rifle with 100+ rounds.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Underneath it all, religious people are always control freaks. Don`t kid yourself - it doesn`t matter what country or what religion - if you think differently from them, they want to kill you.
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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    @comuser59, point taken. Next time I`m at a hillbilly tree felling, I`ll remember that.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    "And this is why EVERYBODY should be allowed to own automatic weapons -- so when these nutcases start shooting, we can all shoot back."

    That is exactly why I love my guns.

    "I wonder if we got the whole story...I just can`t trust corporate news anymore."

    You can find PDFs of the criminal complaint online.


    "There is no type of recreational shooting, hunting, or otherwise that you can do with an automatic or a semiautomatic. . . . But there is nothing you can do with automatics, semiautomatics, or handguns that doesn`t, in the end, involve hurting someone else."

    But what if that someone else first intends to hurt me? You`re just going to let them hurt you?

    And your first sentence is simply false, and I`m not sure if you understand the distinction between automatic and semiautomatic. I`m OK with bans on Automatic weapons, RPGs, grenades, private tanks and missiles, etc. But the 2nd Amendment protects
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    (cont.) an INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms of the type commonly in use by militia at the time of the founding. That includes rifles, pistols, and shotguns, but draws the line at automatic weapons, sawed-off shotguns, etc. Not to mention government can place reasonable restrictions on firearms, like requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, or banning concealed weapons altogether.
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    trudenter Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    "There is no type of recreational shooting, hunting, or otherwise that you can do with an automatic or a semiautomatic."
    Umm Recreational shooting? I dunno im Canadian and the only time you can use automatic weapons is at a fire range. We can use some semiautomatic rifles while hunting also, i imagine that in some states you can too. And to use the simpsons, the 2nd amendment is dated and not really relevant to todays standards. I really think that some things need to be changed down there.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    lol, gee, a flame war. who could have seen that coming?
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    "lol, gee, a flame war."

    Its not a flame war if its reasoned discussion.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    Lisa`s liberal view lost in the Supreme Court.

    And the Supreme Court will issue a ruling this term PROBABLY incorporating the Second Amendment to the states, meaning in effect that the City of Chicago will no longer be able to ban pistol ownership within its city limits.

    2nd Amendment is interesting. Liberals LOVE individual rights - freedom of (and from) religion, freedom of press, civil rights, homosexual rights, voting rights, etc. In EACH CASE, liberals want the government OUT - Conservatives tend to want government IN (more public religion such as in the pledge of alligence, more intrusion into the bedroom to stop gays from screwing and unmarried people from having birth control, etc.)

    But only with the 2nd Amendment is the role reversed - Liberals WANT government to ban weapons, conservatives want government off of their guns.

    I think you can be a liberal lover of individual rights and accept the 2nd amendment as one of many.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    so when these nutcases start shooting, we can all shoot back

    And so you`ll both die. I`m not usually this sadistic, but that makes sense.
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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    @goaliejerry, I apologize if I made an incorrect statement. Like I said, I have never touched a gun, nor do I necessarily intend to. I was just presenting my opinion. For your first statement, I believe that most, if not all conflicts can be resolved if we all use our big-boy words and do not simply sling our guns out at the opposing force. I believe that the ability to bear arms will not help you a terrific amount if someone really intends to cause you harm. If you`re in such a situation, you really cannot do much. Either you get killed or become a criminal. Both routes are messy. I guess I just believe in the sanity of the average person too much for your tastes.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    "I believe that most, if not all conflicts can be resolved if we all use our big-boy words and do not simply sling our guns out at the opposing force."

    The intruder in my home at night probably won`t listen to reason, and the law protects me if I use deadly force in self-defense in my home (check your own state`s laws). Shooting someone in lawful self-defense does not make a person a criminal.

    We do fundamentally disagree - if someone intends to shoot me, but I can LAWFULLY shoot him before he kills me, then I believe my gun has helped me much. I wished I lived in an area free from violence, but I don`t, and I won`t lie down for criminal elements who seek to infringe upon my right to live.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    "I believe that the ability to bear arms will not help you a terrific amount if someone really intends to cause you harm."

    If I stop them before they commit the harm, or while they are in the process of committing harm, then my gun will have helped. I know not everyone is comfortable with guns, and thats perfectly ok. But a gun-free world is an illusion, and bad people WILL use them, so I have no problem with good people using them to stop the bad.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    Plus, its fun to shoot things with high-caliber weapons.
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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    `Shooting someone in lawful self-defense does not make a person a criminal. `

    But consider for a moment the psychological effects that would come along with such an act. I believe that they would be profound and lasting. Resigning a life to something that can be taken if the opposing force intrudes upon your land, comfort, or otherwise is what separates the animals from our own species, in my opinion.

    I reside in the state of Minnesota, by the way.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    But consider for a moment the psychological effects that would come along with such an act. I believe that they would be profound and lasting. Resigning a life to something that can be taken if the opposing force intrudes upon your land, comfort, or otherwise is what separates the animals from our own species, in my opinion.

    No one is gonna shoot someone else for infringing on their comfort, not even in Texas. The psychological effects someone should just deal with like a man. That`s where I think it`s important to keep a connection with the rest of the animal kingdom. Yes, civilization gives great opportunity for being humane and compassionate, but lets never forget this is not a compassionate world. The further you separate yourself from the laws of nature (survival of the fittest) the worse off you`re going to be when someone comes to challenge your own basic human rights.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    wow, i for once did not see this coming, not the jesus and anti-christ part, just the killing part
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    Isn`t it interesting that, while attention is drawn to this group which may or may not be guilty, there are hundreds of similar Islamic groups, such as the one at Islamburg, NY (www.jihadwatch.org) that don`t ever get mentioned by the lame stream media? I think this story came out just to divert our attention from all the corrupt goings-on that this administration is doing.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    wow, kust wow! silly people shouldnt congregate!
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    xKrazyKoalax Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    So if the Taliban and Al-Quiada make all muslims terrorists, does this mean that all Christians are terrorists?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    "So if the Taliban and Al-Quiada make all muslims terrorists, does this mean that all Christians are terrorists? "

    Either that, or wackos.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Rick_S - Yeah, I think Im with you there
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    " I think this story came out just to divert our attention from all the corrupt goings-on that this administration is doing."

    Oh, I guess the media is only biased when it`s not a fat guy yelling blatant lies about Obama.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    This supposed plan... Yeah, seems no one else in the Hutaree knew about it.

    Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from jail in Sanilac County, Mich., about 75 miles north of Detroit, that he has "never hurt anyone or taken steps to do so." .. "As far as any specific plan to overthrow the government, I never heard such things," Sickles said. "There was off-color talk, but there was no set plan to overthrow this or take over that." .. "I`m not this sadistic person that they`re presenting me to be," Sickles said. "I wouldn`t just blindly follow someone or hurt another person."

    Sounds like a `Janet Reno` type arrest first and create charges later style ambush. Better hold off on judging these people folx.
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    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Man, that`s dumb. Attacking cops won`t do anything. They should have targeted democrat members of congress. ;)
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    Tominatrix Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    the christian god is supposedly all powerful. why would he need people with guns?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    the christian god is supposedly all powerful. why would he need people with guns?

    He doesn`t. People need guns to keep themselves safe from criminals.
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    darkmoth Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    well i say its about time some1 stood up against this damn government. i o gotta say tominatrix is right, but however they beleve it, chaos to the us government, it does more harm than good.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    "So if the Taliban and Al-Quiada make all muslims terrorists, does this mean that all Christians are terrorists?"

    Anyone who thinks all Muslims are terrorists is a complete moron who is a cancer to the Earth.
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    radoinc Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Man, you Americans use the words "Christianity" and "Church" in a massively broad sense.
    Besides, if a wacko claims that he is a Christian that doesn`t make him some kind of special christian-wacko. He`s just the same as the next wacko.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    When corporate fascists with their 300 to 1 lobbyist to representative strangle hold on the American government and its interests. I can`t really blame them for their opposition per say. Tho their methods of opposition have much to be desired.

    This probably won`t be the last that the world will hear of the scared militias of America. And one these groups will definitely provoke the police state to `clamp down` on everything.

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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    >>Isn`t it interesting that, while attention is
    >>drawn to this group which may or may not be
    >>guilty, there are hundreds of similar Islamic
    >>groups, such as the one at Islamburg, NY

    Had me.

    >>I think this story came out just to divert our
    >>attention from all the corrupt goings-on that
    >>this administration is doing.

    Lost me.
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    Hmm... Well, as much as I don`t believe a thing the group says, they`re still pretty drating awesome in their own way. "When Jesus comes to earth we`re going to be his army that battles the anti-christ with assault rifles, bombs, and scotch and cigarettes." It`s just like one of those crazy hollywood movies.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    April 17, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    @patticakes - We have a party over here in the UK which you`d love!

    It`s called the BNP.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    "The intruder in my home at night probably won`t listen to reason, and the law protects me if I use deadly force in self-defense in my home (check your own state`s laws). Shooting someone in lawful self-defense does not make a person a criminal."

    The whole gun debate is completely negated when you can non-lethally take someone out without giving him a chance to retaliate.

    I say what we need to do is train everyone in martial arts.

    That would solve two problems in one. The whole "home invader" situation is solved, because they wouldn`t even be able to get the gun out of their pocket before you`ve knocked them flat on their ass with your ninja moves,

    AAAANNNNNDDDD

    it would solve the obesity issue, more-or-less.
    What does everybody think?
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    WHOISIT12345 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:16 pm
    im moring out of the US......
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    Altaru...try to dodge my magnum.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    i had a mega feeling that f`n fred phelps had something to do with this...that man is the devil.
    he hates everyone, obama is the antichrist, homosexuals are the reason we are all doomed to hell, except him of course, and no child can have a funeral without them telling the mother that shes a whore, and her kid deserved to die.

    where are these crazy people being bred, that crazy farm needs to be shut down
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    screaminbean "There is no type of recreational shooting, hunting, or otherwise that you can do with an automatic or a semiautomatic."

    So, is that what they`re teaching in school these days -- that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is to guarantee our right to keep and bear SPORTING GOODS?

    It`s no wonder Obama got elected. We`re doomed...DOOMED I tells ya!
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:55 pm
    Huttaree means `soldiers of Christ". In what language? I suspect, in the language of their minds.
    These people are not Christians in any sense of the world. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost-and this was the same duty He gave to his followers. Not to kill others.
    And when Jesus returns, He will come WITH an army, but that army is not seen doing anything-Jesus destroys the enemy `the sword of His mouth", or in other words, with his word. The word that can create all things, can certainly destroy any enemy at His will. He doesn`t need guys with guns.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    "Altaru...try to dodge my magnum."

    For one thing...

    Sarcasm. Seeing previous posts of yours, it seems you have NO IDEA what it is. Try learning it.

    For another...

    Did you actually read? By the time you have the magnum aimed and ready to shoot, you`re lying flat on your ass unable to move your arms or legs.

    America needs a "one ninja per household" policy to prevent home invasions.

    (Now, for you, THAT WAS SARCASM. Admittedly, it`s playing on an earlier concept, and usually sarcasm doesn`t last this long, but it was.)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    As for my policy on guns... (THIS ISN`T SARCASM)

    I`m okay with them, within reason. People can have handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc., that`s fine.

    But there is no realistic reason why you would need anything high-caliber or automatic.

    And don`t bring up the concept of "Well, I don`t wanna have to face off against an illegally obtained AK with a 9."

    Maybe if your dumbass didn`t scream and draw attention when you saw the home invader you could catch him off guard and not have to worry about his AK.

    Actually... I take back my comments about it being sarcasm.

    People should be taught how to keep calm, and catch enemies by surprise. Most martial arts teach that along the way.

    When the home invader doesn`t know you`re behind him, how does the size of his gun matter?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 17, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    He doesn`t. People need guns to keep themselves safe from criminals.

    Ahh yes, the old keep myself safe from criminals bit. You must live in a pretty f*cked up society to be scared into getting a gun.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    "There is no type of recreational shooting, hunting, or otherwise that you can do with an automatic or a semiautomatic."

    I guess you`ve never heard of Cowboy Action Shooting, Tactical Shooting, or Skeet Shooting.
    It`s obvious your mind has been bent by the anti-gun lobby. Cowboy Action Shooting is very popular and fun, You should try it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    There is no evidence that these guys were going to do anything, or had thought about doing anything, or had said they were going to do anything.

    This is how the left defends itself. Lies and slander. "Defame the "enemy" until public opinion fades, and then they are not a threat" - SEIU executive vice-president, and Obama advisor, Gerry Hudson
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    You must live in a pretty f*cked up society to be scared into getting a gun.

    `Fear` is not a good reason to get a gun, Too many jumpy nervous people have got into trouble that way.

    Personal protection is a good reason. People have to be trained how handle it and not let it go to their heads or use it inappropriately.

    Always treat a gun as though it`s loaded, Don`t take it off safety until you are ready to fire, And never point it at anything you don`t intend to shoot. (Just a few of the many rules one should learn)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:29 pm
    auburnjunky: I`m inclined to agree with you on this, These people are being pre-convicted in the press and will not likely receive a fair trial because of it. So far, The testimony of these Hutaree members have indicated there was no plot, Only an anti-government sentiment. I`m suspecting a `wag the dog` style attempt to get the news off the health care bill.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 17, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    They are trying to simultaneously get people to forget about the health bill screw-up, AND get sympathy votes between now and November.

    Meethinks that we are going to see the largest mid-term swing in U.S. history this November.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 12:16 am
    "There is no evidence that these guys were going to do anything" "These people are being pre-convicted..." "...Wag the Dog..."
    No one gets arrested for nothing. The people went to the Michigan Militia for paramilitary training. MM asked why and was shocked by the answer so, they narced.

    I`m sure religious extremists wanting to learn weapons and explosives could only be a good thing. Right?
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 12:25 am
    "People need guns to keep themselves safe from criminals."
    "Personal protection is a good reason."

    Name 2 people you know personally that have ever successfully/justifiably defended themselves using a handgun.

    Now search your mind for people that owned guns and either:
    - Were shot by a spouse with a weapon that belonged in the home.
    - Had their weapons stolen by burglar.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 2:55 am
    CodeJockey: I can remember my father stopping a guy burglarizing his car in from of our house. He leveled a shot gun right at him and he ran.

    My high school class president was killed by a carjacker with a gun.

    I don`t know of any guns stolen from my friends or family.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 3:03 am
    CodeJockey: I`ve read nothing about the Michigan Militia narcing on the Hutaree. The Only thing I read in regard the MM is that one of the Hutaree called the MM for help after the raid, looking for guns and shelter. The MM didn`t narc on the Hutaree, They just refused to help them.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 3:07 am
    No one gets arrested for nothing.

    It happens all the time, Need I cite the people accused of rape and other sex crimes that`ve been released because DNA tests exonerated them ?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 3:14 am
    Ahh yes, the old keep myself safe from criminals bit. You must live in a pretty f*cked up society to be scared into getting a gun.

    Or just one in which criminals often have guns.

    The idea isn`t as silly as you make it out to be. Being more dangerous than potential attackers is a reasonable goal and that`s essentially what the "guns for protection" idea is about.

    I`m not saying that it actually works at all well in practice, but the idea isn`t completely silly. To work well in practice people would need to be able to have a loaded gun in their hand pointed at their attacker before their attacker can attack them or point at them and be sufficiently trained and be willing to kill their attacker or at least bluff well enough to convince their attacker they are.

    That happens sometimes. I question whether it`s worth the huge cost in lives tha results from widespread availability of guns.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 3:16 am
    No one gets arrested for nothing.

    Can I come to live in your perfect world?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 3:27 am
    It happens all the time, Need I cite the people accused of rape and other sex crimes that`ve been released because DNA tests exonerated them ?

    It goes the other way too. A case over here briefly attracted a small amount of media attention because a man was arrested on a rape charge because of DNA evidence despite the fact that he was extremely different to the alleged(*) victim`s description and there was no evidence he was anywhere in the vicinity. He was able to prove his innocence by proving he was somewhere else at the time...but no doubt many people assumed he was guilty as soon as they knew he was accused and became absolutely certain of it when they read that he was arrested because of DNA evidence.

    He worked in the hospital she went to. One of his hairs fell out and got caught in a ring she was wearing - that was the DNA evidence.

    * I`m talking about a legal case, so in that context I don`t make assumptions about guilt without a tri
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    Skooby_Doom Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2010 at 6:51 am
    Damn, Michigan is crazier than Florida!
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
    547 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 7:45 am
    SO, not all terrorists are Muslim? OMG, who`d have thunk it?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2010 at 7:59 am
    @mrspoods:

    Read the posts. This is a proven falsehood.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2010 at 9:21 am
    The Only thing I read in regard the MM is that one of the Hutaree called the MM for help after the raid, looking for guns

    This sentence pretty much speaks for itself. Someone who is going to be falsly persecuted by the government would probably be more concerned with seeking political assylum or some investigative assistence in exonerating themselves, not re-arming and digging a foxhole. And so I get this straight, the heavily armed militant group who talks of an approaching war is innocent and the government is making false allegations to distract people from the health care reform? You guys really think the ones who are concerned about this health care reform are going to forget because of this one incedent?
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    milo126 Male 18-29
    103 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 10:00 am
    I`m sure this has already been said. I have to say though, this is what happens when anyone organizes any sort of military presence that isn`t associated with the federal government. When OBAMA declares marshal law, and we`re forced to stay in our homes at the whim and mercy of the american government. All I can say is that when the government starts knockin at my door, I want these guys as my neighbors.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 10:34 am
    "...leveled a shot gun right at him and he ran."
    You consider it justifiable to threaten someone`s life in defense of the INSURED family-mobile while no one is in physical danger? I`m hoping he wouldn`t actually discharge because he MIGHT have gotten away with that in Texas.

    "...school class president was killed..."
    I`m asking about people you know succeeding a using a gun against a lethal threat. Granting the class president an arm does not guarantee success.
    It is a struggle for police, who practice often and are required to re-qualify on interval.
    "How many shots did you fire?"
    "Two." *says the man standing next to five shells...*

    "Damn, Michigan is crazier than Florida!"
    No, Texas is crazier than Florida. Michigan is quite tame. If it were not, they`d have succeeded at digging themselves in WITH automatic weapons...
  86. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 10:56 am
    "When OBAMA declares marshal law... ...I want these guys as my neighbors..."
    What strange and hostile alternate universe do you live and how is it transceiving internet with ours?

    Obama isn`t concerned with making your home a police state.
    Obama is concerned with your being able and motivated to get off your ass and go buy something.
    Stop listening to effing Rush Limbaugh. He is just trying to shock you into continuing to listen and that IS holding you down.
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    steve17 Male 13-17
    155 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 11:45 am
    they seem to think that the bible is an action movie...
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
    678 posts
    April 18, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    The news coverage reminds me of "V for Vendetta"
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    lego12 Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    problem, with these people,the Bible says follow the law of the land, and the law of this land is don`t kill police or threaten the government
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    You consider it justifiable to threaten someone`s life in defense of the INSURED family-mobile while no one is in physical danger?

    People have a right to protect their property, My dad had no idea if the burglar was armed or not and wasn`t going to risk the chance that he was.
    My father was a Vietnam veteran, Trained to kill and yet he didn`t fire at the guy. He did fire into the air to scare the poo out of him though.
    That woke up the neighbors and the police arrived later. The police told my dad he was well within his rights to protect his property, But might`ve been in trouble if he`d have shot him.

    Long story short, There were no more burglary attempts in the neighborhood for years afterward.
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    wtfstfu Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2010 at 10:45 pm
    love that they say they are christians and that they are going to fight the anti christ. this is amusing because the bible states that by the time the anti christ gets here the rapture will have already happened and all true christians will be taken to heaven so how do they plan to b around to fight?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    wtfstfu: Not every church believes in the rapture.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    April 19, 2010 at 8:31 am
    so umm how is this form of radicalism different than radical muslims again?


    "We hates this gov`ment but uhh gives us some lawaars cus we dont hates it that much bubba".
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    Nothing wrong with arming and training to protect yourself, your property and your family. Nothing wrong with preparation for extreme situations, no matter what you perceive them to be.

    What`s wrong with this picture is that you don`t do the following:

    1. You don`t plot to make the first strike.

    2. You don`t involve innocent people.

    That`s pretty simple.

    I saw some people dressed in camo with guns running about in the woods. I didn`t get a clear look at the faces so I can`t say for sure that these were Hutaree members.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    ::this is amusing because the bible states that by the time the anti christ gets here the rapture will have already happened and all true christians will be taken to heaven::

    Really? Care to point out where?
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    ::No one gets arrested for nothing.::

    So, let me see if I`m crystal clear on this little issue here. Are you seriously stating that when police make an arrest, a conviction is assured? No one`s ever received an acquittal in a court of law?

    I`m calling you on that one because I can tell you that once someone is arrested, it`s the state that bears the burden of proof in a trial conducted in a court of law. What that means is that now the state has to prove that these people have broken an existing law or laws. If they fail to do that, then these people must be released back into the public and all property returned.

    I know that completely gets under your skin but it is how our system works.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    ::And so I get this straight, the heavily armed militant group who talks of an approaching war is innocent::

    Until proven guilty in a court of law, yes.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    April 20, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    "Are you seriously stating that when police make an arrest, a conviction is assured?"

    No.
    My statement was not literal but, since we lack the convenience of hearing each other tone of voice, I`ll be more literal with my future statements.

    To clarify the context of my statement:
    I`m not talking about Joe Schmo getting busted by high stressed patrolman for saying "F-you" when asked for ID.
    I ask you: How often, in the US, does an entire group of 30 or so heavily armed Feds RAID the properties of an entire associated group
    WITHOUT WEEKS, UP TO MONTHS of PRIOR INVESTIGATION?
    Since it is expensive to mobilize groups, it must be fairly rare.

    So, I would be very surprised if it turned out that an ENTIRE GROUP, including the leader`s family, were picked up because Sheriff Lobo had a problem with the leader`s web site.

    BTW, the film looks like unrelated footage of the MM practicing.
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    April 22, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    "Nothing wrong with arming and training to protect yourself, your property and your family. Nothing wrong with preparation for extreme situations, no matter what you perceive them to be.

    What`s wrong with this picture is that you don`t do the following:

    1. You don`t plot to make the first strike.

    2. You don`t involve innocent people."


    I gotta agree with that. I think the gov`t should send these people on spec ops. They`ve obviously got some talent. They just need something productive to train on, like INSURGENTS.

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