Wal-Mart Fires Employee For Using Legal Meds

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in

True, the medication was marijuana, but it was doctor-approved and the guy has cancer. Does Wal-mart have the right?
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Female 77
the quote "he was a model Wal-Mart employee" ...
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Male 46
AirLeet, try paying attention, the tough times he speaks of are those caused by the inoperable brain tumor, kthxbai
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Male 82
That man looks like a pothead, anyway. Good for Wal-Mart.
And... "medical marijuana is the only thing to `get him through the tough times`."
Wow, if he was that depressed, take some Prozac.

And like keith2 said, "how dare they"!
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Male 478
Pot makes you lazy. It`s fair grounds in my opinion. And besides, can`t you fire anyone for whatever reason you want?
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Female 1,112
gild, I think your sort of right. Except that I think if they legalized it and manufactured cannibis products, the laziness of people would take over and most would buy pregrown and prepared cannibis. It`s also possible to make wine and beer at home, but how many people do you see doing that? It`s an irrational fear if it is at all.
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Female 3,574
[quote]Insurance works on risk analysis and the risks of accidents will rise with increased pot use.[/quote]
Risk analysis of the person who is getting the insurance based on life expectancy and likelihood to need medical care. If I was an 70 year old diabetic, I would get charged more for insurance. If I was a healthy 20-something who does not smoke I would also get charged less than a 20-something who does, ect.
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Male 527
BumbleBB, probably because it`s way too easy to grow and use. With tobacco, you can only grow it in certain areas (southern states) and it requires more work to prepare than what most people are willing to devote. Marijuana, on the other hand, can grow almost anywhere and preparation isn`t as involved. Therefore, it becomes much more difficult for the government to tax for revenue as they do with tobacco and alcohol. Since they can`t get a finger into the pie, might as well outlaw it. Instead of Occam`s Razor, think of it as the pessimist`s razor: the most cynical view is probably the correct one. :)
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Male 2,591
filthy potheads think they can beat the system how dare they
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Male 122
Madest:
`Republicanism must mean... increase taxes` (THIS ISNT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT)

Err, Confusing left and right wing there maybe?
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Female 1,112
are often ubnknown, the risk of weed treated with harmful compounds increases. Why not eliminate all of this and allow it to be legal?

What are the concerns of those who don`t want it to be legal?
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Female 1,112
Let`s think about this rationally. We should have the right to do whatever we like to our own bodies, provided it does not cause direct harm to any other person. This alone should be reason enough to legalize it. Then there are the benefits to health. Yes there are potential hazards to your health, but there are serious hazards with ANY drug introduced into you system right down to OTC pain killers, and herbal remedies. Then you have the pot users who as someone previously stated "clog" our legal system. We`re all ready wasting our tax dollars on this poo. Then there is the possibility of creating honest business out of the sale of cannabis products.

The most compelling argument for anyone concerned about the risks associated with pot, should be that with governement controll regulations can put in place, such as how the weed is grown, the levels of THC in it ect ect. People (good hardworking people) use weed all the time, and because the sources of said weed
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Female 1,566
Madest, obviously this ignorant poster has no concept of politics, I`d imagine that`s why his opinion has formed how it has.
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Male 7,378
Since you`re gonna dodge the question: Republicanism must mean a desire to control others behavior, restrict liberty and increase taxes to support a police state.
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Male 17,512
"It`s called peer review. If you don`t know what that is, then that speaks volumes about your ability to speak knowledgably about scientists."

That "peer review" didn`t spot the inaccuracies and flat out fabrications of global warming, Did it ? No one voted for them, They can easily manipulate their "peers" and their income being dependent on there actually being a "problem" all lead to the corruption. It`s like letting the foxes be in control of the hen house.
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Male 17,512
"Why? That is not how insurance works."

Insurance works on risk analysis and the risks of accidents will rise with increased pot use.
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Female 3,574
the_fidge, I don`t think it`s so much that Walmart thinks it`s all-powerful or something. Walmart is just trying to protect itself and it`s stockholders. Whether or not this is moral is another thing.
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Female 14
You know, I understand that as a conglomerate company, WalMart`s entity believes that it has the right to dictate whatever their employees do in their personal life.

But when it helps relieve their pain from a FATAL disease? When it`s the one thing that can help them put on the weight and fight the nausea that their more expensive, poisonous treatments cause?

Things like this make me really wonder where the human being`s soul is being corrupted enough not to care about their fellow man anymore.
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Male 2,850
@Crakrjak.

"There is no system of checks and balances there."

It`s called peer review. If you don`t know what that is, then that speaks volumes about your ability to speak knowledgably about scientists.
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Male 12
1.) You cannot legislate morality.
2.) Cannabis is scientifically proven to be a more effective treatment for pain than any pain relievers, with no risk for physical addiction (psychological addiction? Please, if you are a coffee drinker, you`re psychologically addicted to caffeine and caffeine is more harmful than cannabis).

source:
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/

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Female 635
hey hey hey!!

no right to take medicine weed away from the patient!!!

D:<
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Female 3,574
[quote]I much agree with Pui. I also don`t believe the taxes will be that huge on weed.[/quote]

I actually believe the opposite there, sorry ^^; I think taxes on weed would be similar to taxes on cigarettes which are quite high (at least in Canada), and I think those taxes and the fact that more people would purchase the stuff if it was legalized would cover the loss of no longer being able to fine people for possession of it.
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Female 1,566
Sorry for the double post, but...

Max, there is NO link at all to any cancers with weed. It`s been proven in numerous studies that all previous links to cancer were simply untrue. The ventricle enlargement is a temporary effect that goes away when your high does. You`re totally right about the psychosis, however. But that`s pretty hard to set off, like you said, you`d have to be smoking tons of super dank weed pretty much every hour. You`d also probably need to have some pre-existing disorder (depression/anxiety/bi-polar/etc) to truly set off psychosis. But all that is is responsibility. You can set off terrible disorders by drinking too heavily just the same, and that`ll happen much quicker and far worse than what weed will do to you.

& I very much agree with what you said about smokers needing to understand these potential risks. Just like anti-pot people claim weed is all-terrible, the blatant ignorance at the all-good end of the scale only supports abuse.
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Female 1,566
"Was he dying of cancer just then?"

Well, yes, generally if you have cancer, you`re dying right then.

& I much agree with Pui. I also don`t believe the taxes will be that huge on weed. Not enough to deter people from buying legally, anyway. Legalization, or complete decriminalization at the least, will only make smoking weed safer. With growers free to grow openly, they can ensure their crops are pure. They wont have to resort to helping the plants grow with as many synthetic devices as they do now, they can just get a greenhouse or big field out in the open. & I personally don`t think they`ll get bought out. Big enough growers will be able to sell in semi-bulk to bigger companies who will resell to people who have no growers in their area or are too lazy to find one. They wont buy tons at a time because it will just sit and get old, lowering the price and costing the company their profit.
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Male 500
"Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:20:29 AM
yes I said Harmless, its non carcinogenic and ALL studies on it have shown ZERO negative effects to the body... "

I agree with almost everything you say, in fact I like a good spliff myself as well as a drink sometimes. But is not true that weed is completely harmless, it has been shown to cause elevated levels of throat cancer, causes enlargement of the ventricles on the brain, and in extreme cases (e.g. daily skunk smokers) can cause drug induced phychosis. This does not bother me much, I know the risks and I keep the risks small by controlling the drug and not letting it control me. It just worries me that if we as smokers completely ignore the facts and pretent that dope is harmless, we`ll just look like ignorant pot-smoking idiots spouting propaganda, and the lawmakers will ignore and be in contempt of us even more.
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Female 3,574
[quote]So why be for a "legalization and taxation" scheme ? Your beloved "home growers" would be squeezed out or bought out of business. It would immediately become corporatist, Be industrialized like tobacco.[/quote]
Good. I`d much rather see it like that.

[quote]Everyone would be forced into paying much higher taxes (to supplement the loss of fines/bail/etc..)[/quote]
They`d start putting huge taxes on weed itself. I think that would easily make up for there being no more fines, ect.

[quote]and insurance rates would go through the roof.[/quote]
Why? That is not how insurance works.
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Male 503
yes, I am an angry drag queen with zero tolerance for the uninformed. if you don`t use, fine, I don`t drink and I don`t bitch at people who do.
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Male 503
ALSO, JACKASS, THE WAR ON MARIJUANA IS LED BY REPUBLICANS, WHEREAS THE LEGALIZATION EFFORT IS RUN BY DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS.
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Male 503
yes I said Harmless, its non carcinogenic and ALL studies on it have shown ZERO negative effects to the body... however what we are fed in the media (which is fortunately being turned around) is that it is a horribly "psychologically addictive" (BS) substance.... I have never ONCE missed my grandma`s cooking when stoned, commecial makers, nor have I ever ditched my little sister at a carnival, or any other of the horrid things they say happen. I also am gainfully employed (extremely) and lead a very active lifestyle, even when stoned. SCREW YOU WALMART!
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Male 503
also, yes, Marijuana users do clog our court systems, which wouldn`t be an issue if this relatively harmless (when compared to say, alcohol or prescrption medication) were LEGAL. oh, and F^CK republicans!
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Male 503
if sam walton knew what happened to the company he started... which was American products (ONLY!) for the American... he`d be turning at about 10000 rpm in his grave. he was also a stickler for employee rights and comfort.
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Male 7,378
CrakrJak. Why avoid the question? What`s republican about being anti-pot or anti drug for that matter? The war on drugs costs the USA over $20billion a year. Users of pot clog our justice system and make otherwise law abiding, tax paying citizens burdens on society. If republicanism means smaller government, less spending, more liberty and personal responsibility your position flies in the face of your own politics.

PS: June 1971: Nixon officially declares a "war on drugs," identifying drug abuse as "public enemy No. 1."

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Male 230
sadly yes wal mart had the right. they are a equal opportunity employer meaning they can fire you for what ever reason they feel like it.
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Male 2,893
Was he dying of cancer just then?
Or was he dying for a fix of the SweetLeaf?
jesus, i don`t really care. let him smoke, Matter of fact, make it legal so that the f**ks can stop whining about it.
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Female 130
Part of the problem with any scientific research in North America isn`t just manipulated data, it`s media coverage. It`s rare to find an article on a scientific study that doesn`t completey futz all the actual data. More often than not (at least with studies I`ve actually read) the news reports the exact opposite of what was cited in scientific journals or reports.
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Male 17,512
"Being scientists (not politicians) they are very careful about advising things that might not be true"

Yeah right, Like the numerous "Global Warming" scandals that have been revealed recently.

Those scientists aren`t being held accountable when they are wrong either. There is no system of checks and balances there. They "fixed", "squeezed" and used "tricks" to get the results they wanted to show.

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Female 1,112
Well I for one would rather have it that way rather than having good people charged with possession over something like pot. What a freaking travesty. Thankfully it`s decriminalized in Canada.
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Male 17,512
madest: Drug laws were enacted long before Nixon (I`m assuming you meant him) back in the late 1930`s. Also, The "War on Drugs" was 1980`s onwards when Reagan appointed the 1st Drug Czar.

Drugs are already being taxed (In a round about way), Violators pay fines, bail, seizures, and community service. Our system of justice depends on the income from catching drug dealers and users.

So why be for a "legalization and taxation" scheme ? Your beloved "home growers" would be squeezed out or bought out of business. It would immediately become corporatist, Be industrialized like tobacco and Everyone would be forced into paying much higher taxes (to supplement the loss of fines/bail/etc..) and insurance rates would go through the roof.
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Male 496
What Davymid says.

In England we have a board of scientific adivisors that advise schools, the NHS and the entire government. They basically take all the scientific research that is done and hold regular meetings on how they should advise based on research and results. Being scientists (not politicians) they are very careful about advising things that might not be true, but when they do speak up it is pretty much always listened to.

The board advised the government that (after conducting extensive research) Pot was significantly less damaging to health than either alcohol or cigarettes, and that if pot were legalised it would pay for itself and also cover 30% of the current hospital bills for smokers within 2 years. What did the government do? They told him to resign or he`d be fired. He resigned, he went national with the story.
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Male 774
I agree davymid,
I think the only thing keeping pot from becoming legal is a combination of paper companies who want to hold their spot as no.1 and politicians who don`t want to have to apologize for saying pot is a "gateway drug" or that their scare-`em-straight videos were just that, something to scare people "straight".
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Female 3,574
davymid, well said.
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Male 12,138
Hold the phone, I lived in Amsterdam for many years, where smoking pot is completely legal (well, it`s not, but that`s besides the point). Marijuana is EVERYWHERE. And yet according to the UN Human Development Report 2009, which is based on literacy, healthcare, education, economy, average life expectancy, school enrolment, standard of living, crime figures etc, Holland comes in #6 ahead of the US at #13.

Legalising pot WORKS, guys. Not only does society not fall apart at the seams, but the government gets to tax and regulate an industry which currently is controlled by criminals.
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Male 150
If you dont like it, then dont do it. dont bitch at people who do. Thats my policy.
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Male 7,378
@ CrakrJak What`s republican about your anti-pot stance? You`re the conservatives I-A-B cheerleader. When alcohol was prohibited in 1920 it took an amendment to the constitution. Whereas the war on drugs was dictated to us by a republican president that resigned in disgrace. Makes no sense to be against taxes yet for the criminalization of weed.
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Female 1,682
That is pretty messed up :/
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Male 150
Marijuana isn`t addicting, dumb$%1T.
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Male 2,306
"I know that there are certain triggers or switches in the human (and for that matter primate) brains that once turned on cannot be turned off. One of those is addiction.

I`m not experimenting around with something as valuable to me as my brain. The benefits are NOT worth the risks in my evaluation."

LOL what? I guess you would be right if Marijuana had truly addictive qualities. It`s more of a dependence thing really.
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Male 848
Wal-Mart is a disease itself...

Damn. Out of toilet paper.
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Female 3,574
[quote]The Federal government doesn`t recognize medical marijuana use as legal[/quote]

Yeah, that is where it gets sticky. Walmart is incorporated, so they have a responsibility to their shareholders to keep the value of their shares up. Part of that means following federal law very closely, whether it`s moral or not.
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Female 1,112
"Every company has a right to set their policy on their tolerance to drugs and alcohol, therefore, I don`t understand the issue."

They don`t have the right to discriminate against a person for prescription drug use. The problem here may be that because The Federal government doesn`t recognize medical marijuana use as legal, Walmart may be in the clear.
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Female 166
Dude. This is awful. I hate Walmart. The guy has cancer. This gives me the sads.
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Female 3,574
The weed may be prescribed for appetite more than for pain management, so therefore he would only really need it for the evenings.

Also, he was a great employee, so it doesn`t seem likely he was high at work.
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Male 49
Every company has a right to set their policy on their tolerance to drugs and alcohol, therefore, I don`t understand the issue. Anonymous man claims he never smoked at work or came in high. My question is this: If he can work sober, why does he need it at all? Either his "condition" is so horrible he needs Mary Jane to function, or he can function without it. He admitted he didn`t need it to function at work. Seems much ado about nothing...
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Female 35
Also the only reason Marijuana is illegal in the first place is because there was a slander campaign against it in the 1930`s by Henry J. Anslinger who was deep in the paper and cotton industries. Little known fact 1 acre of hemp = 40 acres of trees. It`s faster and cheaper to make both paper and clothing from hemp.
"Some of his critics allege that Anslinger, DuPont petrochemical interests and William Randolph Hearst together created the highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign to eliminate hemp as an industrial competitor. Indeed, Anslinger did not himself consider marijuana a serious threat to American society until in the fourth year of his tenure (1934), at which point an anti-marijuana campaign, aimed at alarming the public, became his primary focus as part of the government`s broader push to outlaw all drugs."
(Wikipedia)
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Female 35
Marajuana has been medically proven to reduce and even sometimes reverse Alzheimer`s Syndrome. So think next time you say something messes with your brain.
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Female 3,574
Eh, I just don`t think weed should be considered any worse than alcohol or cigarettes. I think the laws concerning it are much too strict considering. However, it should definitely be controlled by the government.
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Male 17,512
bumleBB: "That having that choice is a human right."

There was a time before drug laws. It was rife with child and spousal abuse, It ruined lives and killed people by the hundreds of thousands. Even many young children were addicted. The era of "Patent" medicines and rot gut alcohol was horrible.

There are many good reasons why we have drug laws, Problem is most don`t learn the history of abuse behind them.

You don`t have to try something to be educated about it and not want to do it.
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Female 3,574
CrakrJak, sounds like a sucky birthday lol. It`s cool that you`re that straight edge.
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Male 17,512
"Crakr, do you not drink aswell? That can mess with your brain too."

21st birthday was an alcohol disaster, Haven`t touched it since. No one got hurt or put in jail, Thank God. The experience was scary because I realized just how fast someone (including myself) can slip right down into complete degradation.

I prefer to be in control of my faculties at all times.
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Female 1,112
PUI! that is my point. We have collectively decided as a society that you can do whatever you like to your body as long as you don`t harm others while doing it. That having that choice is a human right. For some reason we`ve restricted this in the case of marijuana. You should be able to choose.
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Female 3,574
Crakr, do you not drink aswell? That can mess with your brain too.

I don`t smoke anything myself mainly because I am a classical singer and I don`t think inhaling anything but air is good for my chords or lung capacity, but I do have 2-4 drinks about once a week. Choose your poison, haha.
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Female 1,112
Addiction is a choice. Chemical dependence isn`t. There are no studies which indicate chemical dependence is possible from marijuana use. Just saying.
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Male 17,512
"Your opinion of this subject is obviously effected by your lack of willingness to try it for yourself. "

So my lack of willingness to break the law is a bad thing ?

I know that there are certain triggers or switches in the human (and for that matter primate) brains that once turned on cannot be turned off. One of those is addiction.

I`m not experimenting around with something as valuable to me as my brain. The benefits are NOT worth the risks in my evaluation.
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Female 1,112
Manditory drug testing is illegal in canada for the most part.
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Female 3,828
you have to take a drug test to work at friggen wal-mart??? wtf? i worked at walmart in canada here and i have never heard of any cases of this..
there might be some, ive just never heard of drug testing at walmart.
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Female 1,112
The same could be said for censoring it, if they did.
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Male 17,512
"CrackrJak, the media didn`t judge or shape opinions about anything. The new station simply reported the situation"

By stating that the law "is not clear" and basically only getting his side of the story.

They did quote the law on the subject and did write a one line statement from a Walmart rep.

Fancylad did shape the argument with the title "Wal-Mart Fires Employee For Using Legal Meds"

It`s clear the news station is of the same opinion, When they included the statement from one of his supporters claiming this issue is akin to racism or sexism. Sorry, But allowing the "Racism/Sexism" comparison on-air was certainly an editorial decision meant to shape opinions.
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Female 1,112
I think you took that more personally than I even could have. I was asking for your opinion, that`s all. As for my position being affected by use, did it occur to you that my use might be due to my judgment? Like, I said I was pro-pot long before I ever tried it. My progression was this. Childhood, bad pot bad. I was a good girl like my teachers and mom wanted. Entering high school, continued resistance, but introduction to possibility that pot might have alternative purposes. Middle of high school researching and deciding my position. I mean I literally researched. I did a journalism paper on both sides, with the position of being opposed. 12 grade, finally decided it was choice people should have. First year university tried it. You don`t have to believe anything I say of course.
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Female 1,566
"Your opinion of this subject is obviously effected by your use of it."

The reverse could be said about you. Your opinion of this subject is obviously effected by your lack of willingness to try it for yourself.
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Male 296
@CrackrJak, the media didn`t judge or shape opinions about anything. The new station simply reported the situation, and didn`t at all say "We at the station think WalMart is in the wrong and this guy shouldn`t have been fired." All the media did was report the story, they got the guy talking to them because he was willing to talk and they got his opinion, and they got a statement from WalMart. How is this forming opinions?
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Male 17,512
bumbleBB: Your opinion of this subject is obviously effected by your use of it. I however am impartial, I`ve never done it, I`ve seen it do both good and bad in people`s lives. My observations, It`s been bad for the majority of the people I know.

I`m not your judge or jury bumbleBB, Nor do I want to be.
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Female 3,574
Hey, I won`t argue that either. The media is messed up and corrupt.
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Female 1,112
I agree with that one hundred percent. Cracked actually did a relatively decent article on media manipulation today.
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Male 17,512
"We need more information before we can draw any conclusions.."

We may find out things contrary to his statements. We may find out just exactly what his doctor advised him and when he prescribed him. We may find out exactly how he injured himself. Until this is worked out in court, Judgment of either him or Walmart should be reserved. But that`s not the case with the media, They judge first and shape opinions before the real facts are known.
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Female 1,112
Crakr... I`ve noticed you avoided the question (or maybe just missed it) about me. Whatcha think?
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Female 3,574
[quote]That implies he was impaired, Otherwise how and why did he hurt himself on the job ? It also says the drug tests are "routine" so he`d had them before and they were negative.[/quote]

LOL omg are you seriously suggesting that the ONLY way he could have injured himself is because of his weed use? Now you`re just getting desperate.

Also the "routine" in that section refers to the routine drug test taken AT a medical check up, not a routine yearly drug test.

I`m not really arguing what the law says, because either way I think it`s wrong to fire someone for using a prescription drug, whether the law says so or not.
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Male 17,512
"If you dont have a clue about whats really going on then I`m never going to educate you. Good luck with the attitude bud because when they come to take whats yours, you`ll have no one to blame but yourself!"

Obviously You know it all, You`re infallible and your word is the law. Get over yourself dude.
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Female 1,112
"That implies he was impaired, Otherwise how and why did he hurt himself on the job ? It also says the drug tests are "routine" so he`d had them before and they were negative. "

It implies only that he was hurt, and that hurt was the causitive agent to be tested. "routine" in this case means only that it is routine to test someone following a safety incident, not that he had one before. We need more information before we can draw any conclusions from that statement.
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Female 1,112
I have a friend who drives high all the time. It has allowed me to see this driving slower effect first hand, and it`s funny when someone looks down at the odometer and says allowed "whoa I`m only going 40!" and then get`s up to 50 for maybe the next 5 minutes. I don`t drive high. Again not advocating.
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Male 17,512
"Where in the article does it say that?"

5th paragraph down.

"He hurt himself on the job, and after that, had a routine drug test."

That implies he was impaired, Otherwise how and why did he hurt himself on the job ? It also says the drug tests are "routine" so he`d had them before and they were negative.

But later on, it says, "Nothing in this act shall be construed to require ... An employer to accommodate ... any employee working while under the influence of marihuana."

So even the law is on Walmart`s side here.
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Male 3,369
CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
3214 Posts Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:08:21 PM

I guess any company that pursues it`s own self-interest is "Evil" by Maddog`s definition. Sorry, But that loose definition of "Evil" even makes unions, governments, employees, and customers "Evil" as well.

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Doh.... I forgot you live your own little fantasy world!

If you dont have a clue about whats really going on then I`m never going to educate you. Good luck with the attitude bud because when they come to take whats yours, you`ll have no one to blame but yourself!
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Female 1,566
"Pot users tend to drive slower and are more cautious (not advocating driving while impaired)"

I always truly make the effort not to smoke when I know I`m going to drive, but things happen. The worst that has ever happened while I`ve been high driving is that people honk at me because sometimes I forget you can turn right on red. x.x;;
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Female 1,112
Weed has no lingering impairments. It`s actually much safer than alcohol. The impairments it does cause can be slowed reaction time, trouble remembering, paranoia. Pot users tend to drive slower and are more cautious (not advocating driving while impaired), so any resulting accidents are usually minor compared to alcohol related accidents. Alcohol is much more powerful drug.
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Female 1,566
"speed of which the two enter the bloodstream."

I urge you to look up the differences.

"11-hydroxy-THC, may be four to five times more potent than natural THC, and is produced in greater quantities. Thus, patients administered Marinol experience the psychoactive effects of both THC and 11-hydroxy-THC, greatly increasing the likelihood that they will suffer from an adverse psychological reaction. Moreover, Marinol lacks the compound cannabidiol, which possesses anxiolytic activity and likely modifies and/or diminishes much of THC`s psychoactivity in natural cannabis."
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Female 3,574
CrakrJak, but alcohol itself doesn`t impair you the next day. It wears off. Just like weed. My point is that if he uses weed in the evenings, it isn`t effecting him the next day at work.
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Female 1,112
I smoke pot crakr. I`ve given you my reasons why and given testimony on it`s positive effect in my life. What is your judgment of me personally. Specifically, do you think I`m behaving immorally or irresponsibly? (I`m not going to take it personally :))
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Male 17,512
"Seriously this is like arguing that you should never drink because it would effect your work performance."

I`m sure you`ve seen people hung-over from alcohol the next day and in no good condition to work. But that`s a different drug.
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Male 17,512
"There`s a HUGE difference between the natural delta-9 cannaboid and the T-something 11 Marinol uses."

They are both crystals that are affected by variances in temperature, humidity, etc..

I`ve heard the natural vs. synthetic arguments before, But that it usually boils down to the speed of which the two enter the bloodstream.
Smoking it is much faster, The Pill has fewer side effects and no restriction of breathing.
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Female 3,574
[quote]He was only recently prescribed it[/quote]

Where in the article does it say that? If anything it implies he has been using it for a while.
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Female 3,574
It only effects your work performance if you`re doing it while at work or directly before. Seriously this is like arguing that you should never drink because it would effect your work performance.
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Female 1,112
"Clearly marijuana use effects job performance and impairs people."

Marijuana does come with certain impairments however the degree to which they impair you really needs to be examined. I`d say it`s comparable to a strong cough medicine. the fact that it`s class one to me suggests that it`s simply in line America`s moral war against pot, and not it`s actual effect.

"Past performance is not relevant to future performance when narcotic drugs are involved."

Pot isn`t a narcotic. the way you used this is sort of leading in that you are suggesting narcotics will alter future performance which is not necessarily true.

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Female 1,566
"He did not smoke this for 5 years and get awards all that time."

Does it say that in the video, or are you so close minded that to you, there`s just no WAY he could be a good person AND smoke weed.
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Male 17,512
"His doctor didn`t seem to think his using weed would effect his work abiliy, or he probably would have suggested he quit his job if he started medical marijuana."

If that was the case, Then his doctor should have his license revoked. I really don`t believe his doctor would get up in court and testify that he prescribed a schedule one drug for pain and told his patient he`d be fine to go back to work.

Clearly marijuana use effects job performance and impairs people. He did not smoke this for 5 years and get awards all that time. He was only recently prescribed it, Past performance is not relevant to future performance when narcotic drugs are involved.

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Female 1,112
I only threw the back thing in there because it`s relevant to detrimental health practices, not because I disagree with labor jobs or think less of the people in them.
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Female 1,112
In Canada where we are much more liberal, amen, I have lot`s of friends who are extremely successful and smoke pot. I have a good friend who smokes pot and is currently completely her masters in Entomology, and is also a TA. She has even been involved in work with national geographic. I have another friend who is an anthropologist getting her masters who is currently writing a book, another who is opening an alternative therapies business, one who is engineering, and finally one who won`t ever go to school because she doesn`t feel academic so she works everyday in a warehouse ruining her back, and smokes pot when she gets home.
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Male 566
(oh fknloser? 34 years, everyday, And I still care quite a bit about learning and succeeding)
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Female 1,566
"And Leesah all cannaboids are instable, Such is the nature of the beast."

There`s a HUGE difference between the natural delta-9 cannaboid and the T-something 11 Marinol uses. Delta-9 can be quickly adjusted to and moderated by your own body`s natural processes. The synthetic cannaboid in Marinol is much like a dictator, it uses whatever means and systems it can take over to get to the brain. That`s why your body doesn`t adjust to it and the dosage varies between days.

Also, as a clinically depressed human and one also with a clinically diagnosed anxiety disorder, I can personally tell you that weed is wonders for panic attacks. The reason they tell you it worsens it is because you can become dependent on it instead of the Klonopin they give you (which is FAR more addicting by itself, I actually had to do a rehab stint because of the Klonos). I`d much rather use the weed anyway, just because of the fact that my fast acting panic meds make me seriously flip
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Female 1,112
fcknloser. all drugs affect people differently. For pain management we have to assess the effectiveness of a drug because it may not work for some individuals. As far as being mind altering and detrimental to your ability to function, this also personal and it`s a risk of any substance, but the majority of people would not experience this. I am a student, and I smoke pot fairly regularly (I was an advocate long before I ever tried it by the way) and I function very well if not better because I tend to be depressive and overly anxious and pot helps me regain focus instead of letting my fears expand and become unmanageable. I only smoke during times of recreation and never while I`m working.
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Male 17,512
"There are many uses for THC. Mild depression, anxiety, pain, anti-emesis, increasing appetite."

I don`t agree with it being used for psychological reasons. There are many studies involving schizophrenia and marijuana use, and marijuana actually worsening depression and anxiety.

As Leesah stated cannaboids are instable and there is much that is not known of what it does long-term inside the human brain.

And Leesah all cannaboids are instable, Such is the nature of the beast.
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Female 3,574
CrakrJak, now we are just going in circles so I will just state my argument one more time. This man was clearly not impaired and still perfectly capable of doing his job while using medical marijuana at home based on the fact that he had won various awards for his hard work. His doctor didn`t seem to think his using weed would effect his work abiliy, or he probably would have suggested he quit his job if he started medical marijuana. Let`s just say I don`t consider this a case of negligence or malpractice.

Also, weed should not be a schedule one drug. That is just silly. It shouldn`t be considered anywhere near that dangerous.
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Female 1,566
"it doesn`t actually rid or cover up any pain whatsoever!"

The fact that you instantly turned to drugs to solve your problems instead of seeking therapeutic help really means nothing to those of us who use it recreationally. Sorry.
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Male 566
Ok Walmart exercised some bullpoo policy. Bottom Line: 1. Pot doesn`t impair anything. 2. Walmart was ditching an employee (who if he had walmarts crappy employee health & life insurance) was gonna cost them money. 3. There are tons of widely prescribed drugs (Oxys, Vicodin, etc.) that impair the hell out of you, of which I`m betting to guess dozens of walmart associates are madly crunching down to just to able to walk thru the doors. This is just Walmart being a "right-wing, just-say-no, tough-on-drugs, we`ll-show-you-punks!" kind of company.
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Female 1,112
I think it`s improperly classified. Plus many people work while medicated with various classifications of drugs. Pain management is to try and return a level of comfort to a person so that they can function. Marijuana simply does not incapacitate you in this way. True, someone who is in a job where intense concentration and diligence should not be under the influence of marijuana. I, for example, would never attempt to work in the hospital under the influence, or drive machines at my old warehouse job, but if I needed it, I would totally use marijuana and make popcorn at the movie theatre job I once had.
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Female 1,566
Again, I agree with BB. How many obese people do you see walking around every day? Do you tell these people about their PROVEN risk of heart disease, or do you waste your time worrying about a SUGGESTED problem? Why not tell those people to get their lardy asses on a treadmill instead of destroying the Oh-So-Clearly-Deadly weed?
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Male 418
i smoked pot for 12 years, everyday. after 2 years of finally quitting, i realized how much it completely ruined my life. It is stupid. it doesn`t actually rid or cover up any pain whatsoever! that is just a pathetic excuse for people to justify pot use. In reality, it is a mind altering drug and it makes people stupid because they are always stoned and could care less about learning and succeeding. But i still believe it should be legal and handled just like alcohol. People can choose whatever they want
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Female 1,566
"leesah: did you miss that last part about "Obstructive Lung Disease""

SUGGESTIVE of, and if you`ll notice, obstructive lung disease can be defined as MANY things. The worst of the most common diseases in that category is chronic bronchitis. Not to say CB isn`t a real b!tch, but it`s not cancer. & remember. Suggested. Not fact. Not even "sort of" proven.
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Male 17,512
"this man could clearly still work because his pain was managed."

Just because "pain" is managed doesn`t mean someone can work. The management of that pain can leave someone impaired and or immobile. At his level of pain management, Requiring a schedule one drug, He would not able to work because the impairment of the drug itself.

Just because pain is "managed" doesn`t mean you are "well" and should return to work. Again his doctor should`ve made this very clear to him.
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Female 1,112
Obstructive lung disease can be avoided, and the effects have not conclusively been proved leading me to believe that they are a) relatively minimal, or b) non-existant.

Why is we care whether or not it causes lung damage? Many people work in occupations with lasting health problems, but we don`t try and tell people not to work in certain professions.
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Female 1,566
Marinol is horrible BS. It costs ~600k a year to take (with no insurance obviously), the synthetic cannaboids they use in it are MORE psychoactive than the ones in grown MJ, and it`s such an unstable synthetic that the dosage will vary every day. One day two pills might work, one day you might need five. Marinol and other synthetics are pharmacies way of cashing in bigger than ever while keeping the actual relief as far away as possible.

My grandma was on Marinol for cancer and she tried it for a week before she dumped the pills and went back to rolling herself a joint or two a day. It`s seriously just awful stuff.
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Female 1,112
I totally agree with you about the use for things other than pain. There are many uses for THC. Mild depression, anxiety, pain, anti-emesis, increasing appetite.
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Male 17,512
leesah: did you miss that last part about "Obstructive Lung Disease" ?
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Female 3,574
[quote]What I`m saying is, If your being prescribed a schedule one drug you shouldn`t be working, At least not in a job that has "liabilities". If your pain gets that bad you should be on disability.[/quote]

First of all, I don`t think Walmart is a job with a whole lot of "liabilities", secondly this man could clearly still work because his pain was managed.
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Female 1,112
Do you think it is properly classified?
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Male 17,512
"crakrjak is there any capacity in which you fin marijuana use acceptable?"

Yes, My mom was prescribed marinol (THC in pill form) for "pain", But in actuality it was used as a way to increase her appetite. I don`t believe doctors can legally prescribe it for anything other than "pain" (in the states where it`s legal to do so), but it`s obvious they prescribe it for other reasons. If you`re going to die of terminal disease, It should be as painless as possible.

What I`m saying is, If your being prescribed a schedule one drug you shouldn`t be working, At least not in a job that has "liabilities". If your pain gets that bad you should be on disability. And people with terminal illnesses shouldn`t have to wait 3 months or more for the benefits they worked hard for.
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Female 1,112
So what then is your position cobra? I think the effects of marijuana are basically minimal comparatively with the majority of legal substances.
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Male 7,817
the "facts" everybody spouts about marijuana can be both true and false. it is the way you look at certain data that leads one to the conclusion that one wants to find. you can take the same data and make it say different things. here are 2 links with the "facts" about marijuana.

also too long
this ones too long
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Female 1,112
Mcgovern, YES! I`ve always maintained the allowance of the drug to be conveyed in other forms than straight up grass completely eliminates any respiratory damage.
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Female 1,112
I too enjoy 30 Rock... I was resistant at first. You`re right about the lung thing by the way, and that`s what I mean about propaganda, using scare tactics to emphasize marginal detrimental effects.
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Female 1,566
@BB: Annoying, perhaps, but wittily hilarious. I`m not as fond of Arrested Development as I am 30 Rock, but it`s a decent show.
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Female 1,566
Crakr, that summary you just posted is exactly what I said in more scientific terms. Short term bronchial irritation and "inconclusive" long term data except to suggest that you`re more likely to get strep throat in the future.
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Male 14,331
@CrackerJack
Ya that`s from smoking it though if it were legal people would actually be able to afford to use a vaporizor which take pretty much all the tar out or just eat it(just make sure you know how to make the butter).
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Male 7,378
Believe it or not, a Harvard study released on April 17, 2007 shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread!
Google it if you don`t believe me.
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Female 1,112
Fran Fine is sooo annoying. I much prefer Arrested Development type humour
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Female 1,112
crakrjak is there any capacity in which you fin marijuana use acceptable?
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Female 1,566
Even my grandma thinks Family Guy is funny. Although really, I prefer The Nanny. Every joke in there is absolutely hysterical and they never use lame toilet humor or super random clips thrown in that are supposed to be funny but aren`t. I miss that show. :( You don`t even have to be high to enoy Fran Fine!
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Male 7,378
CrakrJak, My sources are from this decade and aren`t links. They are actual medical publications. In fact you need to do some reseach so you can learn to not throw up an ebaum post and call it fact.
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Male 17,512
After doing a google search for your reference Leesah, I found this.

"Conclusions
Short-term exposure to marijuana is associated with bronchodilation. Physiologic data were inconclusive regarding an association between long-term marijuana smoking and airflow obstruction measures. Long-term marijuana smoking is associated with increased respiratory symptoms suggestive of obstructive lung disease."

Published in 2007

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720277/
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Female 1,112
Family Guy blows... I too have been afflicted by the troubles of creativity, excessive happiness, increased appetite ect ect.
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Female 1,566
McGov, you are an abomination to mankind. Doritos? Really? Oke-Doke and Family Guy is clearly where it`s at.
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Female 3,574
The abbreviation "MJ" always just makes me think of Micheal Jackson lol
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Male 794
or find a career that does not drug test, ie own your own business, work on wall st, be an artist.....
the funny thing is all the jobs that have mandatory drug tests are the lowest paying ones, so your broker, financial analyst are on drugs, in your face now go bag me some groceries
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Male 14,331
MJ has lead me down a very dark road of Doritios, Trailer Park Boys, funny cartoons and video games.
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Male 17,512
"hold on, so the only way we know if someone is high on this stuff is if they smell like it and their eyes are dilated?"

There are several coordination tests that police use to determine impairment, This guy`s employer (Walmart) are NOT the police nor could they charge him with a crime. They also didn`t call the police, I`m hoping he wasn`t driving himself to work.

The blood test for THC checks certain fat cells up to 3 months old. The other scientific details of the testing method are unknown to me, But they `see` THC levels over time, Not exactly at the instant the blood is drawn.
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Female 1,112
I`ve seen those charts all over the place, and I`d place them in the category of propaganda. They have exaggerated the detrimental effects of marijuana, and completely ignored any benefits.
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Female 1,566
Well pretty much everything under the Lungs category on that poster was disproved by this study: Tashkin DP. Smoked marijuana as a cause of lung injury. Monaldi Arch Chest Dis 63(2):92–100, 2005.

If anyone cares to read it, it states that after a 20 year study of humans who smoke marijuana daily, there was no sign of major respiratory issues including emphysema, cancers, or narrowing of the bronchial tubes. Immediately after smoking there was recorded irritation and swelling of the tubes due to the heat and coughing from the smoke, but they state that these were short term, non-permanent effects that left no lasting damage. It is suggested that the healed tissues in the throat were actually stronger than the previous tissue, much like your skin after it scars, although the healed tissue is also less flexible.
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Female 1,112
Most anti-drug rhetoric involves studies that showed marginal detrimental effects. If you use alcohol, you are a drug user. By the definition of drug, alcohol is exactly that. The majority of the population are drug users. We even use "illegal" drugs in the hospital, like cocaine. My point is that we use drugs for a variety of reasons. It`s the recreational use that usually have people up in arms despite the practical applications. He was using it for pain control. There is a lot of evidence of marijuana`s effectiveness pertaining to pain control. Anti-pot rhetoric usually makes use of outdated and biased information.
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Male 17,512
madest: Show me your sources, Don`t just throw out a made up percentage and declare the chart false.
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Male 17,512
"crackr, there are misspellings in your chart that kinda make it seem less valid and professional"

It`s not "My" chart, I don`t own it or claim copyright of it. I`ve seen it in many health and psychiatrists offices. I doubt they`d leave it hanging there with "misinformation" all over it.
That was just the largest image of it I could find, The other images of it I found were so small they were not readable.

Just because you don`t believe the facts listed therein, Doesn`t make them false.
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Male 7,378
CrakrJak, 90% of that stuff in your ebaum post has been proven wrong. In fact I wouldn`t be surprised if everything you`ve read about the detrimental effects of marijuana was paid for by the pharmeceutical companies.
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Male 2,056
hold on, so the only way we know if someone is high on this stuff is if they smell like it and their eyes are dilated?
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Female 4,039
"If such a test exists that can instantly detect the level of THC in the bloodstream, I`ve yet to hear of it. It`s not like alcohol, Where a breathalizer can detect it."

You know, I don`t know of one either - but that`s another good argument. We can put a man on the moon, yet we can`t measure a THC level?!? Other substance levels can be measured, so maybe THC can be also - I have no idea.
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Male 2,056
@CrakrJak, that chart`s posted in my health room at school-very basic stuff
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Female 3,574
[quote]there are misspellings in your chart that kinda make it seem less valid and professional...[/quote]

Yeah I seriously lol`d at "Mailes"
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Female 614
crackr, there are misspellings in your chart that kinda make it seem less valid and professional...


also, find a chart on alcohol abuse, cigarettes, overuse of otc meds, fatty foods. these things are legal to buy. i don`t see why people make a huge deal over pot. i wouldn`t do it, but if people are allowed to get drunk and pass out in the floor, in my book they should be able to get stoned and just sit there.
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Male 17,512
"I`d like a date on that image, Crakr, as most of what it says has been disproved in the last thirty years."

Title: The harmful effects of marijuana
Author: ALGRA B
Produced by: Health & Drug Education Series
Publication date: 1998
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Female 1,566
"If such a test exists that can instantly detect the level of THC in the bloodstream, I`ve yet to hear of it."

They can tell you roughly how many times a day you`ve been smoking it based on the THC levels in your bloodstream, at any hospital testing center. I don`t know what sort of test Wal-Mart uses, however, and I don`t believe there`s an instant read test, although theoretically it`s possible.
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Male 17,512
"he should have to be proven to be under the influence on the job, not just have some residual chemical in his system."

If such a test exists that can instantly detect the level of THC in the bloodstream, I`ve yet to hear of it. It`s not like alcohol, Where a breathalizer can detect it.
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Female 1,566
I`d like a date on that image, Crakr, as most of what it says has been disproved in the last thirty years. Beside the fact that most of it isn`t even all that terrible. "Sleepy looking eyes", well god forbid!
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Female 133
my dad was prescribed weed for his ms as a pain relief.
seemed to help him and he managed to work for another 10 years thanks to it.
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Female 1,566
Oh then that`s my bad for jumping to conclusions. Disregard that. But now I`m just confused as to what point exactly Crakrjak is trying to make.
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Female 4,039
"Look, I`ve seen this personally. It`s a very ugly way to go and I wouldn`t wish it on my worst enemy."

I completely get where you`re coming from - unfortunately, I have too. What it comes down to, imo, is these things can`t be decided across the board - everyone`s circumstances are different. Senator Kennedy had a brain tumor and remained working - I`m sure he was taking more than Advil. These zero tolerance policies are BS and there are a lot of different circumstances to be taken into account.

You also make a good point about liability, should the guy be, say, a forklift driver or whatnot, but he should have to be proven to be under the influence on the job, not just have some residual chemical in his system.
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Male 17,512
"Before you try to educate me on this drug, bear in mind, I am a mental health worker trained in drug abuse counseling."

So you`re aware of this chart then, I`m sure.
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/690601/80511485.gif
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Female 3,574
leesah, I think he was talking about cancer there?
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Female 1,566
"Look, I`ve seen this personally. It`s a very ugly way to go and I wouldn`t wish it on my worst enemy."

You`ve seen someone smoking strictly non-laced marijuana go rapidly downhill? Got news for ya, friend, they weren`t smoking weed.
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Female 3,574
Doesn`t say anything like that in the article. Infact, the only reason he was tested was because of an injury, implying that there is no yearly drug test or something.
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Male 2,345
if he wasn`t using while a tthe job and was doing a fine job what is the problem? also, when are people going to get over this BS against MJ? Before you try to educate me on this drug, bear in mind, I am a mental health worker trained in drug abuse counseling. MJ is less harmful than alcohol and yet we treat it as if it is cocaine...actually, i take that back, we make it appear worse. MJ is a Scedule one drug, meaning it has been lsited by the Federal gov as having no value or use in medical settings while narcotics, opiates and other such harder drugs are all Sc II drugs, meaning they due have a use despite the fact that they are harder on the body and cause far more issues for users and those around the user.

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Male 17,512
pui: Not bloody likely, I`m sure he`s been drug tested many times in the past 5 years. His latest one is the one that got him fired.
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Female 3,574
CrakrJak, he`s probably been using weed medically for most of that five years with no problem. He`s at least been on it long enough that if there would be a problem with his work ability, it would have shown up by now. He won another award shortly before being fired, so it looks like it`s had no bad effect at all.
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Male 17,512
"He could clearly still work just fine. Better than most healthy employees even!"

That`s his assessment and that was based on his previous healthy 5 years of work history. Like I said before, People can go downhill quickly.
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Male 17,512
"you`ve got to deal with the pain while you`re alive and most people still have to work."

Look, I`ve seen this personally. It`s a very ugly way to go and I wouldn`t wish it on my worst enemy.

But at some point you have to quit work when the pain becomes so bad your doctor prescribes that level of narcotic. Maybe this guy`s own pride prevented him from voluntarily quitting and going on disability, But it certainly was warranted.

I wish disability wouldn`t take 3 months to determine (or more if the gov`t fights it), That`s the real crime here and that fear of 3 months of waiting, While unemployed, Might`ve been one reason why he didn`t quit earlier.
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Female 3,574
[quote]His doctor should`ve advised him to go on disability and quit work as well.[/quote]

Why? He could clearly still work just fine. Better than most healthy employees even! That makes even more sense if it was prescribed for appetite.
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Male 17,512
pui: I`m saying that if his doctor thought he "needed" a schedule one drug for pain management (which I doubt it was for "pain", It was more likely prescribed for "appetite") Then his doctor should`ve advised him to go on disability and quit work as well.

Cancer patients, Like my mom was, That are dying lack appetite (They don`t want to eat). Marinol/Marijuana does get the patients "high" but it`s well known to raise appetite and that`s why it was prescribed to my mom. She was already on a pain pump (morphine) and not able to even take care of herself at that stage. It did help her appetite, But I seriously doubt it had a greater pain relieving affect than the pump.

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Female 4,039
@Crakrjak - first off, I`m sorry for your loss. But I don`t agree with that - sure, when they start putting you on the liquid morphine, well, it is what it is, but cancer doesn`t kill immediately - you`ve got to deal with the pain while you`re alive and most people still have to work.
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Female 3,574
Also the fact that weed is apparently a schedule one drug in the US (It`s not in Canada) is hilarious in of itself.
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Female 3,574
CrakrJak, why would a doctor prescribe it to him if he didn`t need it?
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Male 17,512
"the only way to manage that pain is with narcotics - I wonder if they have to agree to voluntarily quit working and go on disability should they develop a disease like cancer."

My mother died of cancer, She knew how it was going to end, She`d seen it hundreds of times. If the pain can only be "managed" with schedule one narcotics, It`s progressed well beyond the time to seek disability assistance. At that point the intensity of pain is considered "Intractable" and even schedule one narcotics barely relieve the pain. If he was that bad off, There is no way he could possibly work.

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Male 7,817
if he could show his perscription or a doctors note, and it was not affecting his work (which it wasnt) there should be no problem.
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Female 3,574
For those who are having trouble watching the video, here is a link to the article and a video (not sure if it`s the same video or not) LINK
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Female 3,574
the_phantom, he has sinus cancer.
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Male 25,417
Damn a connection error when accessing the vid, i can see the ad before it but then it fails :(
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Male 510
whats with uis voice... he`s all nasaly geez : /
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Male 4,014
"So the term "medical marijuana" is an oxymoron."

- To the Feds. Not to the 14 independent states that have enacted medical marijuana laws. I believe medical marijuana has legitimate, proven benefits. And NO, I don`t support it so that it makes it - *wink wink* - easier to get pot.

I support it because if someone is dying of terminal stomach cancer, a doctor can legally and ethically provide that person with so much morphine that no pain is felt. But that same dying person can`t spark up a doob to fend off impending death, and spark the appetite to help counteract the nausea of cancer treatments? There is no rational reason to regulate marijuana more strongly than alcohol.
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Female 3,574
I am going to assume he has been using weed medically for a least a year, but it could even be more than that. It seems like it has been a while anyway, plenty of time to see the negative effects on his work ability if there were going to be any. It doesn`t seem like he`s going "down hill" at all. In the interview he seems put together. Also, he won an award for his diligent work efforts very shortly before being fired. He was not fired due to being impaired or being a generally terrible worker.
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Male 17,512
goaliejerry: By definition, Schedule one drugs are "a category of drugs not considered legitimate for medical use."

So the term "medical marijuana" is an oxymoron.
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Male 4,014
For clarity - I completely believe that an employer could fire someone for being stoned on the job, regardless of a prescription. But pot wears off in four hours.
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Male 10,338
so does "tylenol, coffee, cigarettes, ibprofin,"

First, what`s "ibprofin"?

Second, since when does tylenol or IBUPROPHEN impare anything except pain?
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Male 17,512
"It doesn`t seem like it was impairing him in the workplace at all since he won numerous "employee of the month" type awards for being such a hard worker for the last five years."

He may have been a great employee for 20 years or more. People can go downhill fast, I`ve seen it. Let`s say Walmart let him stay employed... Let`s just say. Then a month later he drove a forklift over another employee or injured himself or a customer ? Even if he wasn`t "High" at the time. His marijuana use would be revealed (either at trial or workman`s comp.) and Walmart would be liable for knowingly letting him work.

I guess any company that pursues it`s own self-interest is "Evil" by Maddog`s definition. Sorry, But that loose definition of "Evil" even makes unions, governments, employees, and customers "Evil" as well.
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Male 4,014
Rick_S - its true, as you noted, that federal law is harsh here. But I`m not sure that federal law regarding criminal penalties for use / possession of a restricted substance can serve as a defense to a civil case for wrongful termination brought under state law.

The feds could prosecute, but they aren`t - I don`t think the Obama administration intends to prosecute. State officials have actually sanctioned the employee`s conduct, and protected it with the confidentiality of medical privilege.

I think this is actually a much closer case.

Like revdrdark said, yes you can be arrested or fired for going to work while intoxicated on drugs. But if your taking of painkillers actually does not impact upon your ability to work - some strong pain pills don`t destroy your ability to drive - I don`t believe your employer could fire you.
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Female 4,039
"Walmart`s drug policy is very clearly posted, Their employee`s are drug tested regularly."

There has got to be some sort of stip to cover a case like this guy`s - - or is there? He`s got cancer - the only way to manage that pain is with narcotics - I wonder if they have to agree to voluntarily quit working and go on disability should they develop a disease like cancer. Maybe they have to promise to stay disease free also?
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Female 3,574
[quote]but the fact remains that under federal law marijuana is a schedule one narcotic - the most highly restricted schedule.[/quote]

Lol wow that is ridiculous.
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Male 4,014
pui - my sympathies are completely with your position, but the fact remains that under federal law marijuana is a schedule one narcotic - the most highly restricted schedule.

Now when I see that fricken schedule, and I see that fricken PCP, Ritalin, Opium, and Oxycontin are fricken listed in Schedule 2 - LESS RESTRICTED THAT POT - I know something is wrong. We need our legislators to change marijuana`s completely arbitrary and unwarranted schedule listing.

However, I have to suspect that there is a fairly strong legal argument to be made under Michigan law (which allows for prescriptions of medical marijuana) that this is a case of discrimination against a person with a medical condition. If we accept the notion that marijuana has medical uses, and the prescription was duly given to treat a medical condition, it would be no different than if an employer said it didn`t want people taking kidney medication on its payroll.
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Male 3,327
1) Being a smoker of prescribed pot is not the same as being black or a woman. So a policy that allows you to terminate based on your prescription drug use is different than a policy regarding promotions or employment based on gender or race.

2) While the state may say it is legal for him to take it, the Federal government has made it`s point very clear. Pot is still illegal. They choose not to go after people taking it for medicinal use with a prescription, but it makes it no less illegal in the Federal system. Walmart, therefore, has every right to terminate employment based on the use of a Federally illegal drug, prescribed or not. My 2 cents.
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Male 17,512
"Poor bastard ,wonder if it would have been all good if he was taking Oxycontin or something way worse than weed imho ."

Oxycontin is definitely an opiate and certainly impairs judgment. It would trigger a positive result on any drug test.
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Female 3,574
It doesn`t seem like it was impairing him in the workplace at all since he won numerous "employee of the month" type awards for being such a hard worker for the last five years.
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Female 318
If it wasn`t effecting his work, then no. I live in a right to hire, right to fire state, so any reason can get a person fired if their work isn`t up to what their job description is.
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Male 17,512
I`m sure he knew the consequences of using pot, Legal or not. Walmart`s drug policy is very clearly posted, Their employee`s are drug tested regularly. Even before people are hired, They must submit to a drug test. New hires even sign an employment agreement to stay drug free.

"so does tylenol, coffee, cigarettes, ibprofin, etc.... (impair judgement)"

None of those impair judgment. The caffeine and nicotine are likely habit forming but will not impair judgment (Unless you`re abusing them in massive doses, Enough to kill you)
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Male 3,369
Wal Mart are evil sons of bitches.

No doubt they`ll have the ol dead peasents insurance on him so they`ve screwed him whilst he`s alive and then they can screw him when he`s dead.

Evil company!
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Male 25
More and more I find myself agreeing with you, Pui. :P

If it had been Tylenol nobody would bat an eyelash, but there`s this stigma surrounding marijuana. If he really wasn`t going to work high I think that shows more self control than many people might have and there should be no grounds to dismiss him. Not that my vote matters on the matter. :P
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Female 3,574
madest, exactly.

This is seriously sad. He has an incurable, painful illness, is a very hard worker who is now unable to support his family, and to top it off Walmart is trying to prove that he was released for just reasons so that he will no longer even get unemployment - all for using a prescription drug at home.
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Male 7,378
The only way this could be fair would be for Wal-Mart to test and fire everyone who took any doctor prescribed medicine.
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Female 864
Poor bastard ,wonder if it would have been all good if he was taking Oxycontin or something way worse than weed imho .
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Female 3,574
According to the article I read it`s not that he was smoking up at work (Also, he was apparently a very good and hard working employee at this Walmart for five years). It just came up in a drug screening that he had recently used weed, so they fired him regardless of the fact he has a prescription for it.
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Male 670
"Weed is weed. It impairs judgment and should not be taken in the workplace."

so does tylenol, coffee, cigarettes, ibprofin, etc. take your ass-backwards judgments elsewhere.
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Female 1,566
@pui: Oh wait, sorry for the DP, he didn`t use it at work? I can`t watch the video because I`m in class, but if he didn`t use it at work or on the way to work, they have no right to fire him or even punish him. That`s legal medication that he needs to keep his quality of life at a normal level. As soon as he presented his prescription for the weed in his system, they should have immediately disregarded his test and just made sure he didn`t come in blazed.
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Female 3,574
The video isn`t working for me, but I found an article about it.

According to the article I read, he didn`t use weed while at work and he`s using it as a legal prescription drug for a legitimate illness. So no, I would say Walmart should not have the right to fire him.
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Female 1,566
While I`m all for medical MJ, hell MJ in general, ya probably shouldn`t get high then go to work. You probably shouldn`t be driving high, either, although it`s been proven that driving high makes you slower and more cautious. It`s still not something I`d want to chance.

But in any case, going to work under the influence of any `scrip meds is usually a terrible idea. Maybe he should have been put on probation first, as firing the guy is a bit harsh for a first time offense (I think it was a first time?), but he was definitely using irresponsibly.
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Male 121
@auburnjunky
Nope.
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Female 4,039
The guy`s got cancer for f*ck`s sake - if he didn`t test positive for pot, he would most certainly be on some other narcotic pain killer. That`s really retarded. I hope to he`s not getting his health insurance through them. Nice double-whammy. That makes me sad and angry.
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Male 10,338
Weed is weed. It impairs judgment and should not be taken in the workplace.
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Male 612
if i had cancer i sure wouldn`t want to make my life worse by working at a walmart.
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Male 5,314
why won`t you play!!!!
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Female 159
walmart owns the world, they can do whatever they please.
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Female 15,763
Oh Walmart...

...I pity your PA people.
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Male 690
Yeah, they do. I can be fired for taking prescription painkillers and going to work.
I can be arrested for driving a car under their influence. People have a really fuzzy idea about where their rights stop here in the USA. Your rights are part of a contract with society. You still have to hold up your end.
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Male 20,829
Link: Wal-Mart Fires Employee For Using Legal Meds [Rate Link] - True, the medication was marijuana, but it was doctor-approved and the guy has cancer. Does Wal-mart have the right?
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