Texas Board of Education Cuts Thomas Jefferson Out

Submitted by: PostModsleaz 6 years ago
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-cuts-thomas-jefferson-out-of-its-textbooks/

Looks like one of our founding fathers isn"t important enough for Texas. Guess who they"re replacing him with...
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Male 273
um... technically we are a constitutional republic and not a true democratic.
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Male 260
lyckosam:
It`s cool. I laugh at my country. lol
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Male 193
I feel sorry for rational Americans. It`s stories like this that make the rest of world laugh at your country.

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Male 10,845
And people please it`s not the Texans who are idiots it`s their government, of whom seek to spread their stupidity on to the next generation.
And @DeSheaaaa as stupid as it is, it`s not that dumb enough to go down that road again. We`d lose way too much if we seceded.
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Male 10,845
I`m from Texas too but this decision disgusts me. For once I`m actually glad people are laughing at our state for this. The government was founded on a philosophy NOT a religion, and what the board has decided was to delete the philosophical reasons and replace them with religious reasons. This has also been reported by AOL and the actions listed on this site matches closely with what they`ve reported on AOL. I swear anyone who is not taught the first amendment does not know a damn thing about what it means being in constituted republic.
BTW, this is not the only casualty of this decision. They`ve required teachers to promote Joseph McCarthy`s and HUAC`s "crusade" against communism. HUAC of course being labeled as "the most Un-American thing..." by Harry Truman.
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Male 237
Has anyone even LOOKED at the title of the website? The website is clearly a progressive website which slants sharply to the left. How about we get a "news" story from something a little less obviously leftist?

Someone else also mentioned it but according to the website this is for the SOCIAL STUDIES curriculum not United States History.

BTW, I`m a proud Texan. We`ve had a lower unemployment rate and a better economy than most other states. You people who put down Texas are part of the reason why the *United* States is so divided.
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Female 444
Now, THAT`S democracy!

Texas, you`re going into a dangerous road here. What makes this better than when the politicians narrows what religious/political statements that the students learn about in middle east? How far can yoou draw this before you`re no longer capable to critizise because you`ve become the same?
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Male 1,265
Disgusting. This is history, for drat`s sake.
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Female 673
That`s just... Wow.
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Female 452
Well said, katiemarie. I`m sure most Texans wouldn`t agree with this decision; I certainly don`t. It`s so ignorant to condemn a whole group based on the actions of a few influential political and religious radicals.
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Male 15,832
As bad as it seems, it was MUCH worse before.
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Male 11
Oh, by the way community, Texas does this EVERY time a new Social Studies book comes out. A lot of different book companies want to get theirs published, so they start drama to bring attention to themselves or to hurt someone else. Nothing new...
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Male 3,756
I live in Texas and my representative is Ron Paul.
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Male 3,756
How many people here, before reading the article, actual knew who John Calvin was?
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Male 11
@DeSheaaaa - drat you too. :] Look, this is a few people being complete idiots. That doesn`t mean you should be such an ass about Texas. I am a libertarian atheist philosophé who also happens to be Texan. Honestly, promoting your kind of ignorance to people is just as bad as promoting racism and homophobia - because it labels an entire people as one terrible group.

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Male 4,014
Its because Jefferson studied the enlightenment, which said that reason, not faith, should guide actions. He would look to science for validation, not the bible.

Instead, these right-wing nutjobs want us all to know that Jesus founded the United States of America 6000 years ago while riding a T-Rex in the garden of eden.

It is simple, well established constitutional law that the US Constitution does not allow the government to favor any one religion over others - these people don`t think the children of Texas need to know that.

However, they are correct - we are not a "democracy" so much as a "constitutional republic."
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Male 4,014
When I`m crazy and 67, can I remove this educationally regressive incident from the history books? Like, just pretend it didn`t happen, and people weren`t so backwards and purposefully ignorant? Man, I`d LOVE to revise history...
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Male 245
Yeah, I`m sort of ashamed of my state, even though that`s not exactly a new feeling... I read the NYTimes article, too. It`s interesting how "balance" involves uncovering preferred truth and hiding unapproved truth. It kinda makes me wonder whether either side, or what I learned for that matter, is entirely genuine.
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Female 186
Fk Texas.... I wish they would secede already.

Don`t care how much they "contribute to the economy." Think about how much more money we could have with out have to support those fat bastard evangelical fundamentalists. Also, think about how much they also RELY ON OTHER STATES TO SUPPORT THEIR ECONOMY, TOO.

Once again... fk Texas.
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Male 28
Did you guys read the actual article or just base your opinion on the headline? I know you youngsters have a short attention span, but please read things thoroughly and thoughtfully before making judgments (unlike our Congress).(see my analysis below)
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Male 575
I`m so glad I`m not American!
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Male 1
Wow this is some bullcrap

btw, i`m from texas and would love to slap the entire committee in charge of this.
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Male 421
I`m embarrassed to be a Texan at the moment, but only at the moment. I`ll be a proud Texan again in an hour or two.
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Male 208
I haven`t heard about this at all. I`m going with LIES
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Male 28
I feel I must come to the aid of my beloved state and at the same time use some common sense for all of you reactionaries. First, Texas is awesome. We are the 12th largest economy in the world. You would sorely miss us if we were gone. Second, they are talking about a SOCIAL STUDIES BOOK. Thomas Jefferson will certainly appear in the AMERICAN HISTORY BOOK. See? That wasn`t so hard.
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Male 12,138
[quote]That is the link, minus the space. [/quote]
Bull, feel free to link here, we ain`t da po-lice. In fact, there`s even a "link" function to the right of the comment box, to make it a hyperlink. Likewise there`s buttons there for inserting images and smileys.

-IAB bonus tip: There`s a "Delete Post" button under your avatar on the left. If you make a typo and post it, just copy-pasta the text from your own post, fix the typo, and delete the original post. I realise many regulars know this, but I`ve seen many times where users make a second post correcting their typos when there`s no need.

*This message is brought to you by the Bored Of Education*
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Male 716
Only one thing to say to Texas...

IDIOTS!
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Female 318
They need to just cut the crap and let Gary Busy write all their textbooks from now on, because it would make the same amount of sense.
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Male 527
What REALLY ticks me off is their justifications to get their way. First, pushing Jefferson off the curriculum because his views were helped shaped by others around that time? Whose views AREN`T helped shaped by others? It is what he added to those views that makes them worth studying. Furthermore, the separation of church and state was historically inaccurate? One of the original 10 amendments passed by the forefathers as the Bill of Rights? Sure, why not dabble in a bit of revisionist history? If I lived in that district and had kids, I`d pull them out of school so fast it would make these chumps` heads spin.
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Female 13
How embarrassing. I`m happy to have resided in two liberal areas of Texas my whole life (one being Jefferson county). I can only imagine how the future generation is going to get screwed. How in the world do you cut out TJ?

To other IAB users, please don`t think all Texans support the morons on the Board of Education or that we actually want to secede.

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Male 1,610
All you have to do is type "texas board of education" - http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=WE0cjEoC7t0
That is the link, minus the space. I am bothered when any group has an agenda which supercedes all other issues. I realize hispanic immigrants helped to build this country, just as did the Irish, Chinese, etc. I don`t think either of those groups deserve more attention than TJ for obvious reasons. I am bothered by any group or individual becoming so concerned about their own agenda that they ignore other, more important issues. btw, all news is biased, all of them use tactics to sway your opinion.
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Male 1,254
Heh, IAB is just part of my daily routine Theos, sometimes it leads to debate/internet arguments. I don`t like to be wrong, but I make an effort to concede it when I make a mistake.

The anonymity of the internet be damned, there`s no reason people can`t try to act civilly on the intertubes.
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Female 1,682
That is so messed up...What the f*ck.
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Male 38
Brassbull, why does that bother you so much. I went throught the Texas curriculum from 3rd grade through undergrad. The only standout Hispanic I recall from my several years of Texas and US history was Santa Anna. And the only reason they allowed him in there was that the Texians (as they were called then) kicked the ass of this incompetent general. I later found out that much of the story of Texas independence was romanticized BS designed to paint the white guys in an idealized light. There have always been Hispanics in Texas even before there was a Texas and there have been many who have made great contributions to the culture and politics of the state. Why does recognizing this and correcting this disparity bother you? I searched youtube but couldn`t find what you were talking about. Do you want to give us more specifics so we can look at it ourselves? If it was Fox News I will retract this statement because of their fine reputation for factual, unbiased reporting.
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Male 1,610
If you search this on youtube there is a newcast about this which seems to focus much more on the lack of Hispanic figures in the social studies curriculum. Am I the only one bothered by that? One of our founding fathers, presidents, author of the D of L,...is being edited from social studies texts and some members of the board are more concerned that there are not enough hispanic figures represented in those same books. Who are these incredibly important Hispanic figures that shaped the U.S. so much they should be included in those textbooks, and if the BOE had replaced TJ with one of them would they still have stormed out of the office? Does anyone else get the sense that there is a strong racial agenda in the Hispanic community to impose their history and culture on the US? I do believe that history is taught in a very euro-centric way, like suggesting Columbus FOUND the Americas, but this fight for hispanic acknowledgment seems very ethno-centric to me as well.
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Male 38
Dakkar
That was a gracious concession on your part combined with a well-considered and intelligent response and defense of your opinion.....What the hell are you doing on this site???
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Female 30
It`s interesting how everyone jumps to the conclusion that all Texans support these changes; far from it, the vast majority of us are pissed off. If we Texans are guilty of anything, it`s of not exercising our voting rights and letting bible-beating morons get elected. A lot of the teachers I had in middle and high school would teach a fairly balanced version of history, then give us a crash course in what the SBE wanted us to say on the TAKS (or TEKS or whatever they call our state tests now) a day or so before the test. None of us want to secede either, except for that idiot Perry whom, once again, most Texans can`t stand but are too lazy to vote out. I`m sure it`s futile trying to bring sense into the conversation, but at least I can say I tried. Having just finished a state govt. course, I can safely say that Texas politics are indeed quite retarded and backwards, and this is a prime example.
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Male 240
Please, please, please secede. And take Florida with you...
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Male 1,254
A lot of those free-thinking liberals are the ones that are in positions to make these types of educational decisions. I usually do perceive California as overly-Liberal, which is not particularly true besides SoCal, and is a mistake on my part.

Still, some of the most "progressive" social programs and school curriculum can be found in that state, and the latter, I believe, has a profound effect on a significant proportion of students.
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Male 266
If this damn state does end of secedeing im getting the hell out of here.
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Male 38
Dakkar - What makes you think California is the opposite of Texas? Both states have a large Hispanic underclass and large enclaves of rabid conservatives. California has a greater number of areas of free-thinking liberals (eg Venice Beach and San Francisco) but they are still a minority. Texas is more deeply entrenched in conservative ideology but the states share many similarities. Both states have concentrations of "blue" areas but in terms of total area, if not always population, greater areas of "red." And if you think California has a greater number of flakes than Texas I could present a strong argument to the contrary.
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Male 207
Well technically we are a constitutional republic. In a democracy everyone votes. In a republic, elected officials vote for you.
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Male 7,378
If they would secede they could pretend he never existed. Go away Texas. America won`t miss you.
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Male 1,254
If it does happen Davy, the internets will crawl from the dark-ages of lulz, 4chan, and nut-shot videos, and enter into an Internet Renaissance. I imagine IAB will not crumble, but transform solely into a high-art and sociopolitical discussion forum. Fancy will be banished to a prison on Mars for his crimes.
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Female 2,352
Thanks Texas cause not everyone is f*cking retarded! (Yet)
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Male 12,138
Just reading up on John Calvin there on Wikipedia:

"Joachim Westphal, a Gnesio-Lutheran pastor in Hamburg, condemned Calvin and Zwingli as heretics in denying the eucharistic doctrine of the union of Christ`s body with the elements. Calvin`s Defensio sanae et orthodoxae doctrinae de sacramentis (A Defence of the Sober and Orthodox Doctrine of the Sacrament) was his response in 1555."

You mean in those days people couldn`t just respond by saying "STFU, your gay"? People had to write a BOOK as a response? In LATIN? F*ck me, imagine how long a typical IAB flame-war would last in those days...
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Male 38
I was reading a NY Times article on this (that liberal Yankee rag). Fortunately the technology used to produce textbooks has changed such that it is easier to customize textbooks to meet customers` needs. Somewhat disturbing that we should need to tailor "truth" but this means that the rest of the country will be potentially less vulnerable to the opinions of the ignorant, opinionated Texas Board of Education. How useful this is depends on the other boards` willingness to say no to the publishers wanting to do the expedient thing and sell them the books as crafted for the Texas board
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Male 1,254
Still, they shouldn`t cut Jefferson, they should expand it. We spent a few weeks on him in my Consitutional history course and read an interesting book by Leonard Levy called "Jefferson and Civil Liberties, the Darker Side". Offers a non-traditional view of Jefferson, one that is very unlikely to be in any non-collegiate curriculum.
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Male 1,254
It`s still funny that Texas students rank higher in national test averages than those in opposite-Texas, also known as California.
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Female 136
If I`m not mistaking, Texas is legally able to secede if it wants to. I wish they would just do it already, they talk about it all the time anways.
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Male 4,680
"Texas: Proud to be backward!"
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Male 591
Redneck conservatives! Dumbing down America since...well, since forever.
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Male 25,416
wow they messed up big!
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Male 503
Texas people are so F^cking retarded.
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Female 1,148
Get your ignorance and small minded-ness here! get it while it`s hot!
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Male 28
"The last fact, not calling us democratic but a constitutional republic is dead on. In a democracy, the people elect their leaders directly. This is true for all offices in the US except the presidency, where we elect people called electors to go vote for the president. We are, therefore, a republic. The CIA Fact Book lists us as a Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition. Basically our own government is saying what the Texas BoE is saying."

Not trying to start an argument or anything but isn`t that why we`re a democratic republic?
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Male 567
wow, sounds like someplace needs all there federal funding cut.
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Male 749
IAB has so far taught me that Florida`s messed up and Texas is stupid. :D
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Male 7,585
they are trying to "kim jong-il" us
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Female 1,441
This is frightening. And it`s kind of scary how many of our textbooks come from Texas.
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Female 4,039
TJ resposible for buyin` up everything west of the Mighty Mississip from the Frenchies. Right? Louisiana Purchase? That`s all I remember about him. And he signed the declaration of independence. I did not read the link becuase it sounds boring. I am not a big fan of history. I`m sure no one cares.
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Male 3,314
The last fact, not calling us democratic but a constitutional republic is dead on. In a democracy, the people elect their leaders directly. This is true for all offices in the US except the presidency, where we elect people called electors to go vote for the president. We are, therefore, a republic. The CIA Fact Book lists us as a Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition. Basically our own government is saying what the Texas BoE is saying.
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Male 2,345
people, the real problem is not that texas wants their children to be stupid...it`s that 80% of textbooks sold in the US COME FROM THAT STUPIDASS STATE...

so that means that their kids will be stupid and they will make all the others just as stupid...well maybe not just as stupid considering that Texas all on its own is a whole seperate breed of stupid as it is, but hell close enough!

you should write your reps and tell them this should be stopped. wrote your school districts and demand that they do not use these books.
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Male 2,440
For those of you who think the decisions made by the Texas State Board of Education are isolated only to Texas, you couldn`t be more wrong.

Textbook publishers cater to the curriculum set forth by the BoE. Texas is one of the largest consumers of textbooks (second only to California, and since CA is pretty much bankrupt at the moment, this puts Texas at the forefront). Textbook publishers will end up producing what they can get the most money for, leaving the choice for books pretty much limited to the standards of the biggest buyer (Texas).

By the way, the Texas State Board of Education also changed the curriculum to include the "weaknesses of evolution" and the "Christian foundation of the United States."

In short, the Texas SBoE is filled with batsh*t crazy right-wing morons and the children`s education will pay the price.
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Female 635
Textbooks are all drated up. History is written by the winners - if you think that applies only to Texas you`re sadly mistaken.
Hell, in my middle school Canadian history textbooks they taught us that the natives ate some exploreres and settlers, and never touches upon decades of opression. My grade 8 teacher was good enough to deviate from the book to teach us about the treatment of women, immigrants, and the poor, but that`s all we got, and we wouldn`t get it from any other teacher.
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Female 2,509
"I love how Americans can change historical facts to suit their needs."

Pretty much every society does that. I am positive the axis` version of WWII differs from the allies`

Famous Quote by Winston Churchill: "History is written by the victors."
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Male 29
You`ve reached a certain stage of delirium when you flat out aknowledge your own hypocrisy.
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Male 675
This is so disgusting it makes me wonder if its real.
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Female 397
don`t EVER go to texas. stay away from it.
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Female 209
haha, I`m from Texas...And yes, our school systems are effed in the A. Please note, this is not a reflection of all Texans or of all southern states.
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Male 1,610
I live in Texas and I could write a book on what a s***hole this place.....except others have already beat me to it. The man wrote our declaration of indipendence for christ`s sake. One thing I do agree with, however, is them removing the term "democratic" as a description of this nation. We`re a republic (see the pledge of allegiance) based on the Roman system with some vague democratic ideals. I just hate that these magnanimous, self righteous idiots(I`d say retards but that would be an insult to retarded people) probably did it for political rather than conceptual reasons. I wish this state would succeed from the union so American can go to war with it over the oil!
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Male 2,576
@lazyme484

No, you see, because texas is the largest purchasser of textbooks, the companies print their textbooks according to what texas wants.

So, not just a couple of Southern states.

See, because Jefferson quoted "Seperation of Church and State" Texas quoted "Seperation of Jefferson and History".

<3 Colbert.
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Male 38
Are they going to ban nickels and five dollar bills? Go back to Confederate currency?
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Male 1,013
One of my favorite quotes from Jefferson:

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- T.J. in a letter to his nephew.
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Male 38
Embarrassed to say I`m from Texas but happy to say I`m FROM Texas - Glad I moved to Portland. I support the desire of many Texans to build a wall on the border; I just think it should be the NORTHERN border.
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Male 10,440
[quote] If this is any indication of the future, we`re all f*cked [/quote]

No, just Texas, and possibly a few more southern states, but we don`t care what happens to them.
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Male 10,440
I`d rather live in the f*cking Congo than Texas.
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Female 864
Now they have more time to teach creationism .
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Male 3,619
the F U C K is wrong with these guys???
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Male 2,056
If this is any indication of the future, we`re all f*cked
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Male 4,594
Texas; second only to Florida in psychotic behavior.
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Male 366
way to stay classy texas
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Male 4,807
I love how Americans can change historical facts to suit their needs.
Maybe they invented a time machine?
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Male 50
Link: Texas Board of Education Cuts Thomas Jefferson Out [Rate Link] - Looks like one of our founding fathers isn`t important enough for Texas. Guess who they`re replacing him with...
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