Religious Right Group, AMA Wants Killer Whale Dead

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American Family Association, a religious right group, is urging the killer whale that killed at SeaWorld die by stoning.
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Male 89
I bet the rest of the whales are just waiting for their chance for a manwich!
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Female 60
elkingo, there`s a big difference that you seem to be missing, here. dogs are not wild animals. they have been domesticated for thousands of years. if a dog is vicious, it is because it is ill or has been trained to be that way. killing the dog is not about revenge (like, say, stoning?) it is about stopping the problem. killing is in the nature of an orca, they`re highly clever pack hunters. killing is what they do. the trainers were working with a wild animal. as in wild. after killing its trainers (what`s the last count? three?) then it should be put down, humanely. but stoning? it`s cruel, and an excuse for revenge against an animal that doesn`t realize it`s done something wrong.
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Female 298
@gorgack2000

hence my careful wording of "can be" ... i`m fully aware that not every person supports it... dur... i`m one of those people!!!

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Male 236
LOL I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!!
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Male 58
ROFL... O nos! The PREDATORY WHALE killed someone!

Can we band together and stone the AFA to death?

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Male 1,013
"Anyone spouting hate towards Religious people are just as ignorant as the people associated with the AFA. Good God, people, get a hobby."

I don`t hear any hatred towards religious groups. I do hear a lot of "stop pushing your idiotic beliefs on me". In the case here, a trainer was killed by a whale. Idiots, I mean religious people, want to put down the whale for doing what it was supposed to do.

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Male 5,620
I am so sick of people running religion down. If this were a dog that killed two people, someone would want justice, and the owner would be liable. Instead, we get a religious group who makes an idiotic comment about stoning, and about 5 pages worth of hate.

Anyone spouting hate towards Religious people are just as ignorant as the people associated with the AFA. Good God, people, get a hobby.

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Female 99
They should get stoned to death, it`d be way more useful!
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Female 239
whats with religious groups and stoning?

maybe if they stopped stoning and actually got stoned once in a while, they would lay off of that for once and for all.

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Male 721
I`m sorry. But are they stupid. KILLER WHALE... ohhh let`s swim with it.
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Male 205
The clear solution:
Let them stone the whale. One stone per day, and with the water affecting the stones velocity they would have to go underwater to bludgeon him with the thing... :-D
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Male 28
"The bible thumpers versus the grass eaters, Christians versus PETA... THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY"
I`d help the lesser of two evils (peta) take care of the bible thumpers and then celebrate success with an all-meat-barbecue.
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Male 12,365
Some bloodthirsty psycho theists want more suffering and death. What`s new? It`s what such people live for. It`s only a problem if they have any power, as they do in some places.
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Female 158
Stupid religion. Poor Whale. Stoning is so cruel, if they wanna kill it, at least be humane about it.
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Male 10,855
They need to release that animal.
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Female 168
Firstly, it`s the AFA. Secondly, Oh. It`s the AFA. What a shock. I would have never predicted such suggestions from such a peaceful group of intellectuals.
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Female 60
are they kidding? stoning? that`s terrible. i mean, in some circumstances i can understand putting an animal down, but in a humane, quick way. in this case, when the animal has been violent before, they should just put it in a pool away from the public. if they captured it in the wild, and the repeated violence hasn`t stopped them, they should have to house it with no profits.
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Female 459
Poor Whale.
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Female 751
A. it`s a KILLER whale
B. THEY took HIM from his natural habitat and used him for entertainment purposes- a wild animal no matter where they are is still wild
and C, if anything they should just put him back in the drating ocean dang it!
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Male 7,378
v SeaWorld has condemned this whale to a lifetime of torture solely for profit. A civilized society would not support such a corporation. Wanna see a whale? Go to the ocean. v
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Male 4,680
"leave these poor animals alone... humans can be such disgusting creatures... "
Yes because all 6 billion people on the planet fully support capturing killer whales and making them do tricks for money.
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Male 1,013
@madest: The whale did what it was supposed to do. Instead, boycott religion!
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Female 635
it`s stupid to release an animal that has been in captivity for so long

what`s the point if the poor thing is gonna die?

they don`t know how to hunt, they`re used to people feeding them and playing with them

it`s gonna be like when they released shamu

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Female 298
if i was a killer whale at sea world... i`d be eating all the people there and braeking $h!t with my tail...

leave these poor animals alone... humans can be such disgusting creatures...

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Male 1,231
\/ \/ \/ Lol- cheers handsompob, that raised a smile.

And this just one of the many reasons I am an atheist.
Maybe if the killer whale had been stoned, this wouldn`t have happened. Unless the trainer had a large chocolate cake of course.

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Male 1,108
I thought it was bad to lose a shoe to a dolphin, but to lose a trainer to a killer whale is just terrible.
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Male 7,378
Boycott Seaworld.
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Male 11
Ok... The first name is KILLER;
Ok... It killed someone;
But, tell me one thing: If any of you were arrested and forced to work on "Cirque du Soleil" wouldn`t you be pissed off?
I say we should all leave the animals in their places!
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Female 3
Bry27 thats not its first name is name is Tilly or something like that and when people call him Killer Whale its really wrong because he is actually a type of Dolphin.
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Male 74
too many posts to read through but has anybody else noticed that the animals first name is KILLER?!?!?
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Female 3,574
:O what is wrong with D&D!? YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
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Male 77
Ah c`mon, I think we all know there is no such thing asd religion, it`s really getting old. Religious ppl are as bad as D&D players or cult Wow players.... am I serious?... No, but I`m sure you see truth in it...
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Female 3,574
Look, we probably shouldn`t be keeping killer whales in captivity for our own entertainment to begin with, but if you can`t release it into the wild because it won`t survive, and you can`t keep it because you`ll be risking more human lives, than what can you do besides euthanize it?
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Male 2,402
Hmm...so as the man says:

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Quote the Savior
John 8:7

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Male 4
How can people condem an animal to death? Keeping in Mind that it was kept as a slave...Can`t we realize that we are over doing this now?
STONE THE WHALE said a book...go ahead believe that shi..
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Female 999
How the hell do you stone a fooken KILLER WHALE?? You ever drop a rock in the water?

Maybe instead, they should just get the whale stoned. Maybe it would mellow out.

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Male 9,305
"The bible thumpers versus the grass eaters, Christians versus PETA... THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!"

For dratsakes you`re making it worse! XD

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Female 4,376
Yeah. this whale should totally be put to death everyone.

This whale totally made a commitment to be a sideshow act in a big tank that is completely the same as the ocean. An EXACT REPLICA!

This damn whale with it`s instincts to hunt and trap prey and swim miles in a day was completely cool to be in a not even mile long tank day after day doing tricks for treats. I mean after all it was in captivity on it`s own accord.

Seriously. Put this menace down.

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Female 3,696
To paraphrase Eric Cartman, "INTELLECTUAL CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!"

I lolled

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Male 7,378
PETA did not protest the trainers memorial.
Raberboom the rabble-rouser.
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Male 1,834
ha ha ha they want to kill the killer wale for killing
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Male 15,832
opiebreath "The bible thumpers versus the grass eaters, Christians versus PETA... THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!"

To paraphrase Eric Cartman, "INTELLECTUAL CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!"

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Male 15,832
Baalthazaq "If a dog kills someone, you put it down."

You shouldn`t hold a captive wild animal to the same behavioral standards as a domestic house pet. You don`t expect dogs to kill. Neither should you expect a killer whale to behave like a pet. They are top predators like tigers or wolves. Anyone who keeps a wild predator in captivity should be aware of the constant danger that they will revert to their natural behavior. It`s not the killer whale`s fault for being a killer. He didn`t get that name for nothing.

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Female 15,763
The bible thumpers versus the grass eaters, Christians versus PETA... THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY!
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Male 544
AMA seems to have this whale execution plan really well ORCAstrated!

* Slaps knee

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Male 24
NUTJOBS
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Male 540
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" Um. Does anyone else...see...that`s it`s name is...

KILLER WHALE. "

Actually, Killer whales aren`t whales at all. They are orca`s (sic) from the delphinidae family. They are first cousins to dolphins.
"

Aside from the fact that the operative word there was "killer", the delphinidae family falls under the order Cetacea, i.e. whales, so I suppose it all works out in the end...

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Female 4
Because of that specific whale`s past history of injuries, and also because he`d been trained by trainers being out of the water, he performed only by himself. No trainers, not even other whales. On top of that, his only job was to swim out and splash people. The trainer that was killed was in about 3-feet deep water, and had a long dangling braid that Tilly caught. Although, even if she knew what would happen, she would still love the whale.

And sea world would never release Tilly, not only because after being in captivity for like 20 years, his chance of survival would be very slim, but also because he`s Sea World Orlando`s only male whale.

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Male 4,546
Well, to an extent I agree with this. If a dog kills someone, you put it down.

This should go double for a killer whale. It`s clearly a threat.

Although I`ll concede it`s a little weird coming from the AMA (Not AFA?).

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Male 84
wow, people are very stupid. WE are the ones who put the whale IN the pool and made them trapped. WE decided to go into the water with them and try to train them, risking OUR life. If we shouldn`t allow ti to be near people, f`ing just let it go free.
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Male 833
"it would be nice if PETA got involved."

They did get involved, by protesting at the trainers memorial service....

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Male 833
Just dump it into the ocean and forget about it, until its hunger strikes again....
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Male 2,796
I absolutely agree with this. drat this whale and it`s evil murderous ways.
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Male 371
KILLER WHALES WORSHIP THE DEVIL!
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Male 10,440
Bahahahahaha. Wow.

... I am just thinking of ways you could kill a killer whale by stoning, and have the death be caused by stoning and the impacts from the stones alone...

Well, you can`t have a mob throw stones into a pool, because the stones would loose speed and merely sink. If you pull it out of the water, you`ve got a limited amount of time before it dehydrates. You`d need to kill it fast. The only way I can see this done is if the fundies hired a contractor with one of those giant diggers with the shovel that can hold a few tons of rock, then a crane to raise the animal onto land, and then drop a mountain of stones onto it in one go.

Of course they`d be legally required to surround the area with signs reading "warning, epic levels of stupidity ahead"

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Female 635
...
:|

Seriously?

Like... SERIOUSLY?

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Male 214
[sarcasm]Why kill the killer whale when you can convert `em? The body of Christ compels you![/sarcasm]

yeah i doubt the whale actually meant to kill the

@Yaezakura: can i help you kill the AFA?

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Male 877
surely they have to sign some sort of waver?, dont they?...the whale however has no choice other than to act like a clown for the `paying public`....oooooohhhhhh! the majesty of seeing a whale splashing a crowd in a paddling pool of it`s own piss...incedently, dont they have to give them antibiotics to keep them alive in these sess pits?
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Female 198
the poor thing probly just was playing and obviously doesn`t realize what it is capable of. It`s a shame that it happened but it is a wild animal. if it can`t be released at least put it in a sanctuary or something .
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Female 2,927
sure, an animal that probably didn`t even realize or can comprehend what its doing kills someone and panties go in a twist, yet there are human beings doing unspeakable acts to other innocent people and its all "human rights" and "ban death penalty" and other crap.
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Female 385
The AFA: Showing once again just how insane religion can make people.

I swear I can`t decide between laughing at these people or having them hunted down for being dangers to humanity.

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Female 3,574
I could have sworn I`ve read about killer whales and such being released into the wild without a problem before, but I`ll admit I don`t know much about it lol.

However, I have my serious doubts that a domesticated dog could survive in a forest. Maybe it could survive in the suburbs where the only animals it needs to compete with are squirrels and house cats, but who wants an animal that has a history of hurting people released into their neighborhood?

Also, like a domestic dog is going to survive a Canadian winter without human aid.

I haven`t tested this first hand lol, but I still doubt it.

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Female 159
And madest you are awesome! That`s a great idea.
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Female 159
"if i was kept in a room equivalent in size to my bathroom for a long period of time and forced to do tricks... i`d probably kill someone too if i got the chance."

Agreed. Besides all the trainers would realise the risks of getting close to those sort of animals anyway. On top of the fact that Tilly has a history of violent behaviour, the trainer who was killed took a risk and sadly got the short straw. Tilly shouldn`t be punished for doing what comes naturally.

And the obvious comment she`s a killer freaking whale. It`s in the name! : P

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Male 7,378
It would be nice if PETA got involved. Perhaps take Seaworld to court on the animals behalf. Clear to me a 60 year life sentence in a pool of whale piss for a corporations profit is cruelty and shouldn`t be tolerated by a civil society. Maybe a boycott of Seaworld would make the message plain.
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Male 1,013
haha, I love it. Again, no intervention by me needed... Religion FAIL.
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Female 196
Is anyone else vaguely reminded of that time where America called for the execution of an elephant and eventually hanged said elephant? This is honestly just sick...
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Female 131
if i was kept in a room equivalent in size to my bathroom for a long period of time and forced to do tricks... i`d probably kill someone too if i got the chance.
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Male 1,399
Look, if you get into a small tank with a giant carnivorous animal...

...you rolls the dice and you takes your chances.

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Male 174
Honestly, can I just re-assure you that not all people with a religous beleif are that mental!
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Female 394
ROFL I can`t believe the religious group would actually believe Sea World would stone a whale/orca/ what-have-you to death.
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Male 62
" Um. Does anyone else...see...that`s it`s name is...

KILLER WHALE. "

Actually, Killer whales aren`t whales at all. They are orca`s from the delphinidae family. They are first cousins to dolphins. They get their name because they form hunting groups to kill young whales traveling with their mothers from South America to Alaska. While one group fights the mother, the other group breaks off and goes after the baby. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmx8OaqTq...

These aren`t just acts of violence, but more importantly, shows how smart the delphinidae genus actually is. Which is why people pay a ton of money every year to see them perform. Freeing the orca won`t make a difference, in fact freeing him will probably get him killed in the wild `cause he`s been in captivity so long. Instead we should just shut down places like Seaworld and zoos. But we won`t, not as long as people wanna see animals

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Male 385
KittenCereal didn`t you hear? They are replacing the whale with a well trained box jellyfish. There is nothing that can go wrong now. :P
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Female 956
Um. Does anyone else...see...that`s it`s name is...

KILLER WHALE.

Effing idiots. People have no right to keep wild animals like KILLER WHALES in captivity...and then they wonder why the hell it`s acting that way? IT`S IN ITS NATURE TO DO SO, RETARDS!

Put it in the f*ing wild where it belongs.

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Male 121
also, btw, the Whale was capture when it was two. If we release him how do you suppose he`ll survive on his own anyways?
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Female 14
It`s a wild animal that obviously does not do well in captivity. They should release it back to the wild.
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Male 2,344
this group is a bunch of nut jobs...the whale is NOT a pet or a labor animal. it is a wild animal and needs to be released back into the wild. in fact all orcas should be released. there is little gained from holding them in a tiny pool but a great deal lost from it. whale 3 humans 0 need i say more?
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Male 121
Kill the whale humanly. People in the poll actually voted to keep it alive but take more precautions, shouldn`t Seaworld have taken immediate precaution after the first time, let alone after the second time? If not put down, Seaworld is evidentially being irresponsible keeping this animal captivity. I guess we`ll decide what to do with it later after it kills someone else.
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Male 366
does stoning work if they don`t believe in gravity?
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Male 716
"be put down, preferably by stoning."?

What the hell man!

It`s people like them which make religions look bad.

There`s a reason we don`t follow ancient scriptures to the letter people...
______________________

It`s a KILLER whale.... are you telling me it shouldn`t kill?

(to be honest, even if the whale did deserve to die, I wouldn`t kill it. Too much work disposing the body.)

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Male 2,592
@clearskies
"how does one go about stoning a whale?"

A big pool and a lot of ganja

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Male 85
how does one go about stoning a whale?
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Male 601
Volsunga, where, then, do you propose domesticated dogs be released? I wouldn`t argue that they cannot survive on their own, for the reasons you stated, but we don`t release dogs because there`s no way to eliminate their threat to humans. You can find some forest or abandoned farmland or something, but that doesn`t guarantee that the dogs won`t come into contact with other people. So for pragmatic purposes, releasing dogs into the wild is not a viable solution.

You may be right about killer whales, however, because the ones I have heard of being released into the wild were saved as baby or injured whales, and thus were capable of learning to survive.

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Male 74
Well npdarren, I never said it was impossible to rehabilitate a killer whale, I was remarking on the loss of the whales natural instincts at Sea World Orlando.
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Male 3,369
pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
1048 Posts Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:00:49 PM
wth it`s like the exact opposite of PETA lol
----------------------------------------------------

Mayby we can pit the religious nuts against the peta nuts.


I`d pay to watch that fight!

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Male 2,592
@vols,
Damn, you beat me to it
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Male 2,592
@pui
Your kinda wrong on both parts of that. Dogs that have been abandoned commonly find and form packs even in urban areas. And as for the whales, the only account I`ve heard of is the one of "free willy" (I forget his name). He was released into the wild. Swam up to iceland I believe, and took a harbour as his home (alot of experts say, looking for human interaction). He ended up dieing because his immune system couldn`t fight off the problems that come with water around human settlements. Also, they need to learn to hunt. If they don`t, they`ll starve.
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Male 1,547
@pui
Dogs are domestic, but they have absolutely no problem without humans. have you ever heard of a dog starving to death because they did not know how to survive? of course not. There are stray dogs and wild dogs that survive on their own in almost any environment. This is because they are at the top of the natural food chain everywhere except sub-saharan Africa.
Whales are very different. They are not at the top, sharks and other pods of whales are competition that can be dangerous to a released whale`s food supply. read up on what happened to the Orca that starred in the Free Willy movie. It was raised in captivity and was released into the wild after the movie. It starved to death in less than a year.
the difference is that captive whales don`t learn their survival instinct when they live in a sterile tank their whole lives, it would be like if you kept a dog in a blank room its whole life.
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Male 505
At the end of the day swimming with a Killer whale, and that`s killer for a real reason not irony, is stupid. I don`t go play hide and seek with lions...
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Male 601
Skooby Doom, many killer whales have been rehabilitated and released into the wild. I live perhaps 20 minutes from the SeaWorld in San Diego and I read in the paper maybe once a month about a killer whale being successfully released.
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Female 317
Why can`t they just put it back in the ocean? If it dies, well too bad, it would have died in the wild eventually anyway. It if lives, yay for it, but we never have to deal with it again.
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Male 601
It`s a wild animal, release it into the wild. And for the point that dogs are put down for biting owners; you can`t release a dog into the wild for various reasons and so there really is no alternative. If killer whales were domesticated animals that couldn`t be released into the wild, then putting them down would be the correct option, but that`s not the case here.

As for the religious side of this - Stoning? C`mon now. Also, I would interpret the scripture they sited as a death threat against the manager guy.

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Male 74
pui, The whales at Sea World know nothing about hunting or living in pods. They get their meals (literally) hand fed to them.
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Male 881
I think an appropriate punishment would be banishment. Open his tank up to the wide open ocean and tell him to never come back.

In fact, I think the whole species should be punished. Banish them all to the open ocean.

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Female 3,574
ScottSerious, to be fair a dog is a domestic animal that can`t really be set free because it probably wouldn`t survive long in the wild, and they don`t want to re-home the animal either. A whale is perfectly capable of surviving in the wild, and by putting it in the wild, won`t cause any more issues with humans.
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Male 74
It`s a KILLER Whale, what exactly did they expect it to do? Plus, it is a wild animal, in captivity, but wild all the same. I think the animal trainers forgot this fact and became to relaxed around the whale resulting in the animal acting as nature had originally intended.
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Female 13
Don`t those people have witches to burn or something?
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Male 5,314
why shouldn`t the whale be put down. they put down dogs for bitting, this thing killed, twice, maybe three times before. i don`t know about the stoning part, that`s just stupid.
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Male 731
Saying that if it kills again that they`ll kill him is a threat, isn`t it?
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Female 3,574
wth it`s like the exact opposite of PETA lol
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Male 820
*head-desk*
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Female 570
wow! the bible really says that??
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Male 299
@SomeShoes

American Moron Association

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Female 831
i`m going with the whole ox =/= whale thing

literal bible readings ftw

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Female 126
SHYT ADS IAB! *bleh!
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Male 353
Yaaayyy! Can`t we all just stop being religious and learn to be civil?

* turning off my troll button :P *

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Female 1,148
Freaking release it.

It`s obviously miserable/angry that it`s in captivity. Why should it continue to be so? All whales/dolphins deserve to be in the wild..

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Male 383
i dont see anything wrong with stoning a whale to death. giving it pot brownies until it thinks it can walk? sounds humane.
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Male 3,255
Someone religious did\said something stupid?!

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Male 2,056
whats the ama? i saw the aFa, but no ama
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Male 33
Maybe the correct thing to do here would to be free the whale..you know put it back in the ocean for crying out oud its a "KILLER WHALE" it should be fine.
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Female 155
if it`s to die by being stoned to death, that`ll be a bloody big stone
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Female 696
That whale should DEFINITELY be taken care of, but not killed. The least they could do is separate it from others and take it out of the show (even though they wont do that cause this particular whale brings in too much business), the best they could do is release it. Its old, its killed 3 people in its captive life... it could do well in the wild.
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Male 848
Another facepalm
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Male 7,378
They should kill the whale. All things being fair we hunt down and kill pit bulls and bears that maul people. Why not killer whales? Seaworld is nothing but a giant corporation worried about profits so they claim freeing the whale would be the equivalent of a death sentence. I think the Whale earned that death sentence. Free him.
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Male 1,399
wateva_x is correct. The whale shouldn`t be in a show.

It should be in my freezer, and on my dinner plate.

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Female 354
... But it`s not an ox. It`s a whale.
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Male 9,305
"Meh, stupid cults giving actual Christians a bad name."

This.

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Female 4,039
Blah - I don`t feel like reading this.
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Male 1,610
Christians don`t need extremists to give them a bad name. And I think in this case it`s the bible that is getting a bad name. Eventually they`ll have to change the bible so much due to absurd dogma like this that their version of christianity will be indistinguishable from the original and they won`t be able to call themselves christians anymore. So abandon this silly charade now or all you christians will just fade into obscurity and irrelevance. You have 48 hours to comply.
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Male 25,416
ITs not like the whale knew what it was doing :) even if it has happened witht he same whale twice before, he didnt know!
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Female 691
Oh please. in my opinion, it shouldn`t even be in seaworld doing shows. It`s an animal- an animal that belongs in a natural habitat, not an oversized bathtub to show off to people.
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Female 4,028
Lawl. Are they aware of what century it is?
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Male 330
Meh, stupid cults giving actual Christians a bad name.
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Male 3,369
...Only if we can stone them to death first...
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Female 627
Oh my dear Lord, they`re quoting Exodus. It`s not an ox and this isn`t 1600 B.C.
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Male 15,510
Seriously, who they dont want dead?
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2,889
meh, its what you get for playing with an animal nicknamed `killer` whale
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Female 388
STONING? Really? I don`t think this animal should be killed at all. They don`t really have a sense of right or wrong, ya know?
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Male 813
Lol, oh real life trolls, how you make life interesting.
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Male 21,025
Link: Religious Right Group, AMA Wants Killer Whale Dead [Rate Link] - American Family Association, a religious right group, is urging the killer whale that killed at SeaWorld die by stoning.
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