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Date: 03/28/10 01:01 PM

130 Responses to Is This Guy A Smart Ass Anti-Abortionist? [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    March 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    Link: Is This Guy A Smart Ass Anti-Abortionist? - Or does he just really love a good Pro-Life rally?
  2. Profile photo of sarah-face89
    sarah-face89 Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    I love how its always men who protest abortion.
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    apermal Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    "I love how its always men who protest abortion."

    Interesting you should say that, considering we can see women in that protest pic too, and that there are women at most pro-life rallies as well.

    Not sure where that generalisation came from.
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    I think he`s just there for the hell of it. Inb4 heated debate.
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    KOLLO Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    i just noticed as well that i rarely see men at these protests....
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    by the looks of it, an abortion would have improved him
  7. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    Rovian Tactics: Use your weakness to attack the opposition.
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    sirryan1 Male 30-39
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    First of all, this isn`t funny. Second, posts like this just piss people off. No one wants to hear about pro-life,pro-choice debates when they visit this site. Even posting religious views is pushing the line, but leave blatant controversial topics out
  9. Profile photo of ggolbez
    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    Women deserve better than abortion. They deserve SUPER ABORTIONS! Kill dem fetuses!
  10. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    SUPER abortion?? Sign me up!
  11. Profile photo of Miss-Taken
    Miss-Taken Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    first of all, Many of the Vaccines used today are used from aborted fetus` With out abortion we would not have those, There are cells in fetus` that are very very precious. SECONDLY!!! He is wereing Nike`s... its ok for slave kids to make your shoes, but its not ok to save lives with precious cells?
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    w00hahaha Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Miss-Taken, your user name is apropos, because you are horrible mistaken about the source of vaccines. They are NOT made from aborted fetuses...
  13. Profile photo of sirryan1
    sirryan1 Male 30-39
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Miss-Taken, you can get adult stem cells which are the same as those from aborted fetuses. So, your logic using another analogy is that the Nazi`s experiments on jews, homos, catholics, mentally challenged, and undesirables could only have come about by kills those groups of people. Again, stop posting your opinions on this topic as it only pisses people off.
  14. Profile photo of IssaTheFiend
    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    @ggolbez drat yeah!
  15. Profile photo of Jazzycakes
    Jazzycakes Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    He`s stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    His GF is christian and pro-life.

    She said if he didn`t protest anti-abortion he wouldn`t get any sex.

    And she doesn`t believe in condoms (moar like condamns) either.

    So either no sex, or lots of bebbes.
  16. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    lol, love the 1980s white trainers.
  17. Profile photo of panth753
    panth753 Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    lol, win!
  18. Profile photo of ggolbez
    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    w00hahaha and sirryan1 are the exact same person.

    But Miss-Taken is partially right. Stem-cell research has, and can, cause dramatic steps in medical science.

    While the person with multiple accounts is also right, you can get stem-cells in other ways. However, these cells are not nearly as potent and we can not achieve them as easily.

    And at the same time, more embryos die each hour than it would take just to do all the research we would ever need.
  19. Profile photo of Skreshavik
    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 3:50 pm
    He`s stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    His GF is christian and pro-life.

    She said if he didn`t protest anti-abortion he wouldn`t get any sex.

    And she doesn`t believe in condoms (moar like condamns) either.

    So either no sex, or lots of bebbes.
    You seem horribly traumatized.
  20. Profile photo of sirryan1
    sirryan1 Male 30-39
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    March 28, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    I am not w00hahaha.
  21. Profile photo of rgandi1
    rgandi1 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    sirryan, i actually DO come onto IAB specifically for controversial content such as this. and dont generalize by saying "No one wants to hear about pro-life,pro-choice debates when they visit this site." speak for yourself. i love this kind of poo. im just waiting for someone to start something to join in. You could say im a troll, but whatever.
  22. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    He`s stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    His GF is christian and pro-life.

    She said if he didn`t protest anti-abortion he wouldn`t get any sex.

    And she doesn`t believe in condoms (moar like condamns) either.

    So either no sex, or lots of bebbes.

    Who the f*ck would want a girlfriend who was against condoms? ... unless she`s got other desirable attributes, like... money? But that`s about it.
  23. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Lots of men.
  24. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    You could say im a troll, but whatever.

    Nah. "Troll" is misused and overused. Its thrown around everywhere even in a mild discussion. People call each other trolls simply for not agreeing, and thats bullsh*t. People have forgotten what a troll really is.
  25. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 28, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    lol
  26. Profile photo of GuardinGnome
    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Women deserve better than abortion?
    What`s better than abortion?
  27. Profile photo of rgandi1
    rgandi1 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Woot! im not a troll then. awesome. someone start something. i wanna argue! I am bored ;)
  28. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    "People have forgotten what a troll really is."

    Real trolls live under bridges stealing money from children and raping sheep.
  29. Profile photo of Space_oddity
    Space_oddity Female 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    I love how all these men think they have a say in what women do with their bodies.

    "Women deserve better than abortion"

    Yes, Im sure HE would know
  30. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    @Space_Oddity

    It`s less they think they can tell women what to do with their bodies more they consider abortion murdering a baby, and everyone is allowed to speak out against murder.
  31. Profile photo of howlingwolf
    howlingwolf Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    @DiegoDeFuego
    I believe that`s goats, not sheep. The three Billy goats, right?
  32. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    Well if a hobo crawled up your butt, I don`t think anybody would have a problem with you murdering it and taking back your body.
  33. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm
    Damn, you`re right. And i typed goats first too.
  34. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    @Boadicea

    It`s actually more like if i accidently shoved a hobo up my butt and then killed it. I think people would have a problem with it. And why hobo?
  35. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    Okay well if you want to get really technical, somebody you`re banging accidentally shoves a hobo up your butt. Murder away.
  36. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    I think of it like so:


  37. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    No, I`m pretty sure you`re not allowed to kill someone, even if they are inside of you.
  38. Profile photo of RyanHake
    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    Nice Horton poster
  39. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    Ah, it`s so much easier to be anti-choice when you`re male and know that it`s a problem you`ll never have.
  40. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    Funnily enough, we actually are "allowed" to. I guess to an American, it can be summed up thus:

    ROE VS. WADE

    You may think it`s unfortunate, but boo hoo for you.

    Long live abortion.
  41. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    Obviously no guy is going to have to give birth, but unless the dude is a complete non-nice individual he is still going to have to deal with the child.
  42. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    How would you feel if someone forced you to give up a kidney?

    Your body, your choice.
  43. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    I don`t know how those two things are related. And you`re not doing something to your body. You`re doing something to someone else`s body that is inside your body.
  44. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    I`d rather be alive in a cramped orphanage than dead.
  45. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    Uhm, they have no eyes, no ears, no organs, no skin, no central nervous system, and it relies on your already working body to exist. The only thing that makes it remotely human is the fact it contains human DNA. It is not an individual, it is merely a piece. I`d say it`s a lot like a kidney, and that the FULL, FUNCTIONAL PERSON who is already contributing to society deserves a say to what grows in them.
  46. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    Uh yeah you only say that because you`ve known life. If you were non-existent, and then remained as such, I doubt you would mind too much. Generally abortion occurs before birth.
  47. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    Well i`m pretty sure dead people don`t care that they are dead. So by that logic we can kill everything cause afterwards it won`t care.
  48. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    Hm. While I don`t agree with abortion being used as birth control, I do believe it`s a woman`s right. I don`t think that just because you are pregnant means you HAVE to give birth to that baby. Whose to tell you that you`re going to give birth whether you like it or not?
  49. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    @pui

    So are you only ok with abortion at the very very early stages?
  50. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    No, by that logic, things that don`t exist have no interest in existing or not. Do you remember thinking "Hmm I sure wish I was alive" before being born? If so, get a book deal pronto.
  51. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    Pretty much, unless the mother`s life is involved.
  52. Profile photo of Thashary
    Thashary Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    I`m a bit confused by the `women deserve better than abortion` sign..
  53. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    @Pui

    Well i don`t have an argument against that.

    @Boadicea

    What exactly make killing someone or something wrong?
  54. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:24 pm
    Sentience.
  55. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    So when does a fetus become a sentient being?

    and why does that make killing it wrong?
  56. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:30 pm
    Diego- do YOU remember feeling or thinking anything when you were a fetus? No, you don`t. And that`s when an abortion is carried out. So, it honestly doesn`t make a difference to the fetus at all.

    If you are so against killing another life, are you against killing animals too?
  57. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    My point earlier is that really it doesn`t actually matter if you kill anyone. If i killed you right now it wouldn`t matter because after you were dead you wouldn`t be able to think "Man, This sucks, I wish i wasn`t so dead"
  58. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    Uhm, no but they are currently aware they exist. If you are aware you exist and like existing, you would probably be upset if someone killed you. You can`t be upset someone killed you if you are not even self aware.
  59. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    See, you`re missing the point. Maybe once you`re dead it won`t matter to you, but you`ve lived a life and to murder you would be terrible (probably) because you`ve got family and friends (...probably) who would be hurt by your discontinued existence.

    If you`ve never lived, then to discuss the tragedy of your lost life is ridiculous. No life is lost. You`re arguing it`s wrong to kill *potential* life, and as far as I`m concerned, in order to hold that viewpoint and be consistent about it, you need to be opposed to birth control as well. How many potential lives has birth control been responsible for nipping in the bud?
  60. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    And wow pui, we`ve posted at the exact same time a lot in this thread.
  61. Profile photo of Bremir
    Bremir Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Abortions mean less people like him.

    I`m all for abortion.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    the sign next to it says " woman deserve better than abortion" LOL wut? better than having a choice, or better than having a baby the government has to support because they are 15?
  63. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    As i said to Pui earlier if it`s an abortion at the very early stages of developement (Before there is a central nervous system) than i really don`t have an argument against that. I don`t like it, but i don`t have any reasons for not liking it.

    But if someone didn`t have any friends or family it would be ok to kill them? And what if they did have friends and family but i made it look like the person i murdered just moved away and lost touch with everyone. Would it be ok then as long as no one else was hurt by the loss of this person?
  64. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Diego, you`re comparing something that has no emotions, feelings or thoughts to something that DOES have emotions and feelings and thoughts AND THE DESIRE TO LIVE. A fetus lacks the desire to live, seeing as it`s like a seed- it can grow into a person, but it`s not a person yet.
  65. Profile photo of MizzMe
    MizzMe Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    With glasses he`d look like Waldo.
  66. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    Oh my god I`m done with this thread. You`re missing the point. Yes it would still suck to kill somebody who has no friends or family because they`ve known life and have some interest in continued existence. Something that has never existed, and continues to not exist, has no interest in the continuation or commencement of a life. And quite frankly, even if the thing in the womb was thinking "man I can`t wait to get out of here and live", I`d still be in complete support of abortion, because it`s the women`s damn body. That`s what it comes down to for me. Nobody is going to force me to go through 9 months of hell if I don`t actively want to, regardless of how I found myself in that situation. Clear enough?
  67. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:05 pm
    We don`t know what a fetus is thinking. It starts developing a nervous system at 3 weeks. And we can`t very well find out exactly when it starts thinking. What if as soon as it starts developing a central nervous system it starts thinking (even if they are only very simple thought). Wouldn`t that make it wrong?
  68. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    Yeah I`m done too. We`re both just repeating the same thing and neither of us can understand why the other one doesn`t get what they are saying.
  69. Profile photo of PinkAndGreen
    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Diego, I can tell you from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I had no thoughts when I was a fetus. In fact, I think the earliest memory that I have of myself was when I was about 2 years old. I wouldn`t have given a care if my parents aborted me while I was a fetus, because I assure you, I wouldn`t have known.

    Boadicea, you make excellent points. Rock on :)
  70. Profile photo of rgandi1
    rgandi1 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    PinkandGreen. What were you thinking of this very day when you were 5 years old? can you remember? i doubt it. Just so, you probably dont remember coming out of your mothers womb. You dont remember your first steps do you? You dont remember saying your first words do you? didnt think so.

    im all for abortion, i just think you should have grown up arguments

    as far as "If you are so against killing another life, are you against killing animals too?" you dont eat human meat do you? id hope not. im against killing animals, but id still do it. you need things like protien and other vitamins and minerals in animals in order to stay strong.

    and btw, how do you know a fetus doesnt have a desire to live. you cant really tell what someones thinking, unless youre that guy from "the mentalist"
  71. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    Let`s be logical here for a minute.

    If your heart stops beating, You`re dead.
    Therefore, When you`re heart starts beating you`re alive.

    A fetus` heart start beating at 18 days and by day 21 it`s pumping blood. So, In basically 3 weeks you`re logically alive.

    3 weeks is plenty of time for a mother to use emergency birth control & terminate the pregnancy without stopping an already beating heart.

    I believe this is a compromise everyone could live with.
  72. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    You`re telling her to use "grown up arguments" while you`re spouting stupid crap like "we need animal protein to live"? I`ve been a vegan for several years, and somehow I haven`t keeled over from not shoving beef in my mouth daily. Crazy, I know.

    And Crakr: Actually in most cases women don`t even realize they`re pregnant until a few weeks into the pregnancy. And Plan B is only good the immediate day after sex (and not always effective), so any "emergency birth control" that would take place a few weeks into a pregnancy would in fact be an abortion. Just not the surgically invasive sort needed after the fetus has developed more.

    Okay, now I`m done.
  73. Profile photo of ElDavo
    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    Boadicea: I know this isn`t relevant in any way, but your smugness over being a vegetarian pisses me off. I just wanted to tell you that.

    You`re probably right about all that other stuff you said, but I didn`t read it.
  74. Profile photo of Skeezer1991
    Skeezer1991 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    "Women deserve better that abortion"

    so apparently not having the right to choose how the rest of your life is going to turn out is more important than anything else. Major fail. George Carlin would roll over in his grave...
  75. Profile photo of ElDavo
    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    Skeezer: I was JUST thinking that. What kind of thought process leads to making the argument "Women deserve BETTER than abortion"? None, I suppose.
  76. Profile photo of ravie
    ravie Female 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    I believe if you have too many kids and are using up government money being parasites to the economy you should either A- be forced to abort a pregnancy if you exceed 4 children or B- Have to have a vasectomy or tubal ligation that has to come out of those ppls pockets....To many ppl breed and create stupidity in the world
  77. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    "so any "emergency birth control" that would take place a few weeks into a pregnancy would in fact be an abortion."

    Like I said it`s a compromise. It wouldn`t end abortion, It would just make it illegal after the fetus` heart starts beating which is easily detectable with an ultrasound.
  78. Profile photo of wereallboned
    wereallboned Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    All I can say is that if I was aborted I would be pissed off. Not because I would have known, but because my abortion would have killed what I have become today; my potential.
    I can`t support abortion 100% or oppose it 100% it`s too complicated.
    Pink and Grey im sure most people wuld disagree that they wuldnt mind if they were aborted, sounds like ur not feeling too happy
    And to Pui (You can`t be upset someone killed you if you are not even self aware)--If I was in a coma I would like to be kept alive as long as possible.
  79. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    "so apparently not having the right to choose how the rest of your life is going to turn out is more important than anything else."

    If you`re so worried about "self determination" of one`s life. What about the guys who have no choice at all in the matter and end up paying child support for 18 years when the mother wants to keep the baby against his will ?

    After the heart starts beating, Logically, It`s a life and should be protected under the constitution. This life affects not only the mother but father as well, Giving the mother a `choice` and the father no choice at all is unfair.
  80. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    ravie: That is elitist and eugenicist. Just who is going to make the determinations of who is fit or unfit to have children ? You`re also making assumptions that couples that have many children are unfit parents. You`re talking like a nazi, and need to rethink your ideology.
  81. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 28, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    "We don`t know what a fetus is thinking."

    During the last trimester, We know for a fact they react to light and touch. We also know they have `moods` and can likely hear. The `thoughts` may only be instinctual at that stage, But they are still thoughts.
  82. Profile photo of coldCanuck
    coldCanuck Male 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    Like anything onEarth it is impossible to completely remove abortion which is what people who want to illegalize it want to do, You can illegalize a drug but people will still take it. So wouldn`t it make sence to at least offer a cleaner, less pain inducing abortion than say people doing it at home with a clothes hanger? just an idea.
  83. Profile photo of cjap2011
    cjap2011 Male 18-29
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    March 28, 2010 at 10:50 pm
    "We don`t know what a fetus is thinking."

    During the last trimester, We know for a fact they react to light and touch. We also know they have `moods` and can likely hear. The `thoughts` may only be instinctual at that stage, But they are still thoughts.
    -----------------------------

    Umm, you can`t have an abortion in the third trimester.
  84. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    March 28, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    and yet I still remain pro-choice.

    also it is illegal to have an abortion in the 3rd trimester because the fetus is completely viable at that stage. The pictures you see online that attempt to "shock you" of 3td trimester abortions were cases where it was done either illegally or the woman had a stillbirth. There is no such thing as legal 3rd trimester abortion. Least in America. Also abortions are only legal I believe until around 22 weeks and certain clinics won`t do anything after 16. And the ones that have abortions at that stage either were forced to, found out late they were pregnant, or the fetus is already dead or has a a dysfunction where it would end up dying before birth. Why everyone seems to think that these kinds of abortions are "the norm" is way beyond me.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    March 28, 2010 at 11:40 pm
    Also to CrackrJak what you said about the emergency birth control to not stop a beating heart. I can understand where you are coming from there so don`t think this is a personal attack but they already basically have it. The Plan B emergency contraception you can take up to 3 days that can help stop a pregnancy before it can "possibly" happen by delaying the egg from being released. However this is also not 100% effective and does not terminate a pregnancy that is already there. They also have the abortion pill which you can get at an abortion clinic but you have to already be 4 weeks pregnant and many women don`t even know they are pregnant until long after those first 4 weeks. Especially if they were on birth control or if they wore a condom and weren`t expecting a pregnancy. therefore trying to come up with a solution to have an abortion without the stopping the heartbeat isn`t really possible. Unless you are trying to say everyone who has sex should take an abortion pill
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
    1265 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 1:39 am
    is that akappy? i was wondering where he went.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 1:39 am
    Word is here, if you dont want babby, wear a rubber
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 1:41 am
    wereallboned - No you wouldnt be pissed off, you would just be, um, well, nothing I guess
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    Pyrosisflame Male 18-29
    592 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 3:11 am
    @gothicqueen
    TLDR

    i suppose you should give china there wall back?
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    Puddingbrood Male 13-17
    75 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 3:17 am
    @ferdyfred: sure, tje only problem is there`s 2% chance it won`t help.
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
    1149 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 3:29 am
    no matter whether its legal or not, people are still going to get abortions. Keeping it legal would prevent dangerous back alley methods of abortion...like the clothes hanger!
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:16 am
    Guys shouldn`t have a voice in this debate. As distasteful as abortion may be to some there are generations of fatherless children thet never received a dime in support. I suggest that if abortion ever becomes illegal it should be the man who goes to jail.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:18 am
    @ crakjak

    >>What about the guys who have no choice at all in the matter and end up paying child support for 18 years when the mother wants to keep the baby against his will ?
    <<

    It`s called abstinence
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:24 am
    If your heart stops beating, You`re dead.
    Therefore, When you`re heart starts beating you`re alive.

    A fetus` heart start beating at 18 days and by day 21 it`s pumping blood. So, In basically 3 weeks you`re logically alive.

    If your lungs stop working, you`re dead.
    Therefore, when your lungs start working, you`re alive.
    A baby takes its first breath with its lungs when it is born.

    Therefore abortion should be legal right up until 9 months.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:37 am
    Guys shouldn`t have a voice in this debate.
    I suggest that if abortion ever becomes illegal it should be the man who goes to jail.

    Your first sentence says the responsibility lies with women.
    Your second says the responsibility lies with men.

    There`s no consistency.
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    2tall2hide Male 18-29
    2 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:40 am
    I held my breath while typing this comment...Am I dead?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 6:46 am
    I held my breath while typing this comment...Am I dead?

    My heart paused between beats. Am I dead?
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    2tall2hide Male 18-29
    2 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 7:00 am
    A fetus`s heart pauses between beats too. So if you are alive even though your heart pauses, then why isn`t the unborn baby?
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    wtdog Female 18-29
    13 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 7:24 am
    So the chicken and the egg problem a little bit, but in order to take a breath with one`s lungs, the brain needs to send the signal. Without a pumping heart with oxygen-filled blood (which the baby is getting from the mother), the brain would be dead and would be unable to order the lungs to breath.

    So, because breathing with lungs is how you define life, but breathing through lungs relies on a heart beat, shouldn`t your definition of life be moved back a little FROM NINE MONTHS??
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    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 9:43 am
    i don`t know if i feel alright with guys participating so very much in this debate. i guess, yes, we all have a right to say what we feel, but shouldn`t the choice rest in finality with the woman?

    i don`t know why that makes me uneasy. i really don`t. it goes against the whole "everyone speaks their minds" thing that i believe is right. and yet... i don`t want men speaking for me and rallying to try and get my freedom of choice taken away. seems like a radical statement still... damn, this is tricky.
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    crabcake Female 30-39
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    March 29, 2010 at 10:21 am
    fyi - the egg came before the chicken.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 10:50 am
    Over population, WTF?! Wrecking the future.
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    FinchAtticus Male 50-59
    4 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:07 am
    Samidoll, it is disingenuous to claim men can`t have or express an opinion. That won`t take away your choice. You must use your choices responsibly, however. If your choice results in a baby, what right do you have to deny him/her the right to live?
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    coldCanuck Male 13-17
    296 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Or go with the scientific definition of alive, it must follow these traits, 1) able to reproduce,
    2) use energy, 3) react to stimuli 4) creat waste 5) be made of cells
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    DogSoldier Male 18-29
    87 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Somebody should have gotten an abortion a long time ago...
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    Raisin_Hell Male 18-29
    277 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:23 am
    ColdCanuck: Are little children not alive then as they are not able to reproduce?
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    coldCanuck Male 13-17
    296 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Aparantly not
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    Link364 Male 18-29
    440 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 11:42 am
    Again with abortion, I never hear the end of it.
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    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    ffs will we never hear the end of it?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    A fetus`s heart pauses between beats too. So if you are alive even though your heart pauses, then why isn`t the unborn baby?

    My counter-counter-example was to point out how ridiculous your counter-example was. Holding your breath does not mean that breathing is not a necessary sign of life, any more than my heart stopping between beats is a sign of my death.

    shouldn`t your definition of life be moved back a little FROM NINE MONTHS??

    I don`t actually support abortions as late as 9 months. I was just using an extreme example.

    Crackr has picked the sign of life he finds most convenient to support his point, the heartbeat. I chose the sign of life I found most convenient to support my point, breathing.
    Both are essential signs of life, and the prolonged absence of either is a clear sign of death. To pick one over the other and say "this one happens, therefore the baby is alive at this point" is ridiculous.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    i guess, yes, we all have a right to say what we feel, but shouldn`t the choice rest in finality with the woman?

    That`s exactly what does happen.

    Guys are free to express their opinion, and I hate the "you`re not involved so you shouldn`t get to discuss it" attitude. I`ll be damned if I`m going to shut up about something this important. The woman is not the only one affected by an abortion. Physically, yes. Emotionally, hell no.

    But ultimately, no-one in the civilised world can legally force a woman to have an abortion if it`s against her will. They have the final choice, and that`s the way it has to be.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    This is one of the thousands of reasons abortion needs to be legal 100% of the time. One can only hope pro lifers would never insist on carrying to term something that would become a lifetime burden on society.
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    aradia670 Female 18-29
    35 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    you have to admit though: that was a pretty cunning acronym he came up with for the situation.
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    chald627 Male 13-17
    10 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    @Madest: Why should abortion be legal because of that? If you want to go that way, though, look at the billions of healthy children. Should we kill all of them because one of them ended up differently than the others?
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    chald627 Male 13-17
    10 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    @Madest: Why should abortion be legal because of that? If you want to go that way, though, look at the billions of healthy children. Should we kill all of them because one of them ended up differently than the others?
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    leesah Female 18-29
    1566 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    My take on this is that a baby is alive when its conceived. But quite honestly, I don`t give half a hell about a little forming baby if its gonna cost me the rest of my life. Even if I was the irresponsible one that got knocked up. It`s me > fetus.
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    chald627 Male 13-17
    10 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    @Madest: Why should abortion be legal because of that? If you want to go that way, though, look at the billions of healthy children. Should we kill all of them because one of them ended up differently than the others?
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    cookii Female 18-29
    1299 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    is that akappy? i was wondering where he went.

    I thought it looked like Akappy too! Still keeping iaber`s amused
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    DUDEYEAH Female 18-29
    19 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    geez people! ya either like it or ya dont! learn bout abortion and ya hate it, know nuthin bout it and it seems like a valid option. simple
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    lerie Female 18-29
    1265 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I am entitled to tell them to f*ck off when it comes to my body and my life. Don`t like it? Then host that person`s fetus in your body.
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    AmyNicoleduh Female 18-29
    1158 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 10:23 pm
    that does look like akappy! i feel like an i-a-b creep-o obsesser now, but it does.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    March 29, 2010 at 10:26 pm
    "@gothicqueen
    TLDR
    i suppose you should give china there wall back?"


    @Pyrosisflame

    To bad it wasn`t directed toward you anyways. So I could give really care less whether or not you read it. I`m allowed to write whatever I want however much I want. :]


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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    March 30, 2010 at 5:47 am
    "@Madest: Why should abortion be legal because of that? If you want to go that way, though, look at the billions of healthy children. Should we kill all of them because one of them ended up differently than the others?"
    -------------------
    You`re a 13-17yo kid. When you get older and gain some pubic hair and find yourself banging a crack whore in the bathroom of some sleazy bar you`ll be glad that abortion is legal in America. It all relates to freedom. Anyone willing to undo someones rights is not American and is in fact an enemy of the state.
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    GirlieMutant Female 18-29
    236 posts
    March 30, 2010 at 11:43 am
    Why do they protest? It`s a choice for the person.

    QUIT WANTING TO CONTROL EVERYTHING!!
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    cman7721 Male 18-29
    618 posts
    March 30, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    its not your choice. we dont even let people choose when they can end their own lives, why do we let them dictate the lives of another?
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    sugaman2k3 Male 18-29
    357 posts
    March 31, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    GirlieMutant... choice of a person? Soo what if someone chooses to murder someone else? Should we stop controlling them as well? The argument is whether abortion is murder...
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
    3916 posts
    April 4, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    no sugaman...the argument is whether that shriveled mutant lump the size of a fingernail has a soul and a voice or some kind of vote in 19 years...
  128. Profile photo of kikroxz
    kikroxz Female 18-29
    4 posts
    April 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    i see a lot of insults and that doesn`t prove your point only makes you look as ignorant as the person you are bashing. Abortion is a womens right and if you dont agree dont do it yourself! and turn your head the other way simple as that. Its a women`s rights to do whatever she wants with her body and the "baby" is still in HER body
  129. Profile photo of zzzxxx123
    zzzxxx123 Male 18-29
    9 posts
    May 10, 2010 at 4:52 am
    i don`t understand pro-abortionists... how is it "your" right to choose and the life growing inside you gets nada, nichts, zero? you already had the right to choose...WHEN YOU DECIDED TO SCREW OR NOT!!!!!

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