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    KoalaMeatPie Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 7:33 am
    Link: Intelligent² Debate With Stephen Fry - Point by point, what is wrong with church in a speech called `Is Catholicism a force for good in the world?`
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    joey7415963 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:17 am
    Prepare ye for the pages of debate!
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    sickboyoao Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:21 am
    I can see a lot of people will have issues with this post, but everyone has their own opinion, let`s try to be nice... oh wait it`s a message board, here comes the hate...
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:22 am
    Hooray for Stephen Fry!
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    Flibmeister Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:32 am
    I too have no problem with people finding solace in religion. I just dislike being alled a satanist when I`m clearly not.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:33 am
    Well said Mr Fry.

    To be fair, I feel bad for the Catholic Church. Up against two excellent orators like Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry, and they have to put forth the singularly uncharismatic Anne Widdecombe.

    For those who are interested, the whole debate can be found in 5 parts.

    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4
    Part 5
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    acanatane Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:33 am
    I <3 stephen fry >.<
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    ladyleo_666 Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:38 am
    Stephen Fry ftw! I want him to adopt me lol.
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    Corydoras87 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:41 am
    "It`s perhaps unfair of me, as a gay man, to moan"

    cracked me up :D
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:57 am
    I want Stephen Fry to be my dad. And to read me stories every night before bedtime. There is little more comforting in life than the warm security that comes from being cared for by a sensible mind.
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    SebastianLam Male 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Stephen Fry is badass
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:14 am
    Stephen Fry for Pope?
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    burjo7 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:32 am
    @ Corydoras87
    Stephen Fry`s Personal Life
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:34 am
    This is just anti-catholic rhetoric by a protestant. You`d think a gay man would at least be an atheist. Stephen Fry is a douche who`s principals are close to southern Baptist. It`s no wonder he hates the catholic pope.
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    DertMerchant Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:35 am
    Wow. I have all of a sudden formed an opinion where there previously was none... Great speech, great post.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:37 am
    antagonizer... Stephen Fry IS an atheist.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:42 am
    The catholic church is the world`s oldest pyramid scheme!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:44 am
    Most unfortunately he`s right, but irreligion is on the rise, and so, perhaps in a few decades, it won`t matter anyway.
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    BORED_92886 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:46 am
    If you haven`t seen this entire episode of "intellegence2" you should really do yourself a favor and watch this. I mean I am a radical athiest but seriously, religious people can`t even back up LOGICALLY/SCIENTIFICALLY what they believe. When they get proven wrong they just result to "faith"..its a joke and its actually making society worse.
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    Cherrybawls Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Well, I am convinced, not that I wasn`t before...
    Good argument regardless
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    epimetheus Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:59 am
    i`m fanboying over steve fry all over again!

    <33
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:10 am
    I don`t really like Stephen Fry, but he made some good points.
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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:14 am
    This is why we love Stephen Fry :)

    I was actually talking with my mother this morning and ended up getting out the full, two volume, tiny print Oxford English Dictionary and I proved to her that religions and cults are the same thing.
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    DaisyDope Female 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:14 am
    put simply; Stephen Fry should be king of the world.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:14 am
    The Religious people will only quote the bible against this and how the Devil speaks to him and the power of the word of the devil and blah blah blah
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    WolfStar Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:39 am
    I bloody love Stephen Fry. He can articulate everything I want to say, but can`t find the words for.
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:59 am

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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 20, 2010 at 11:02 am
    The debates on Intelligence Squared are well worth watching. The ability to debate well is one many forums would benefit from!!!
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 11:09 am
    He is an intelligent man but he`s incredibly unfair and biased. His points can be valid however he fails to point to other organizations OTHER than the Church. Yes people were burned and tortured based on beliefs and heresies, but then American Indians were slaughtered, blacks murdered, Palestinians bombarded, you name it. What does this have to do with anything. They are called atrocities and they have happened in just about EVERY organization, country, etc you can name. Atrocities happen. They are not good. There is no excuse. But if you are going to point your finger at an organization that tortured people for their beliefs then you bloody well better point your finger at Queen Elizabeth and England too for their atrocities against the Catholic church. Sorry Fry, but you are biased. If you want to like Fry go ahead. But he`s biased. At least he`s listenable.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 11:39 am
    He`s well spoken, I liked the celebrity roast of William Shatner myself, but I digress. He`s dead on in the sense that the Catholic Church could indeed be a great power for good in the world owing to it`s large constituency. So could the government of China for the same reason.

    Ultimately, it is up to the individual to determine for themselves and act on the free will they have been given, whether they would choose to be a force for good or evil in the world. To that end I certainly applaud Mr. Fry.
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    kaffebaggel Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 11:48 am
    @ohthedrama Well this was a debate on the particular subject of catholicism and so he would focus on the catholic churchs faults wouldn`t he? But do these other atrocities somehow make what the church is doing better other than make it relative to some other horrible period/rule? No, those things you mention are also dispicable but most of it is being, or has been, adressed and seen to but not what the church has done and is continuing to do almost totally unopposed.
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    etnorias Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    galileo was not tortured. a common myth.


    read the book, "galileo goes to jail"
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    ohthedrama: you do realise what a debate is don`t you? you don`t just get up and talk about any random subject you want.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Stephen Fry is one of my favourite comedians, however, when you are willing to say one minute:

    "I have no quarrel, no argument, and I wish to express no contempt for individual devout and pious members of that church. It would be impertinent and wrong of me to express any antagonism towards any individual who wishes to find salvation in whatever form they wish to express it".

    And the other:
    "Why do people believe "
    "Because they are foolish, and ignorant and scared" (QI, Untransmitted, findable on youtube.)

    You stray quite solidly on to the path of hypocrisy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    davymid: "I want Stephen Fry to be my dad. And to read me stories every night before bedtime. There is little more comforting in life than the warm security that comes from being cared for by a sensible mind."

    You need to get out more and be more independent.
    Life is about taking risks and taking care of yourself. There is a far better sense of security and caring when you can provide for yourself and those you love, A great sense of pride and honor too.
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    Fleh Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    Stephen Fry forking rules
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    Hmmmmm...... wow IAB with religion! didnt see that coming!
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    The whole Catholic church should be brought up on conspiracy charges for the Vatican`s policy of silence about child abuse and actually shielding those who commit those crimes. It would be one thing if the Pope had said the CHURCH and its policy was in the wrong, but he didn`t and he won`t. Papal infallibility and all that jazz.
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    Jonas999 Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Firstly and this is to help those who have already chosen their dogma to stop reading my post right now. Mr. Fry cannot be your father, he likes placing his genetic material into men not women. Second though I agree that Mr. Fry`s statement to the effect that he has no quarrel with believers may be hypocritical I do not believe it to be disingenuous. He like so many others know what is right for himself and those who he cohabitates with and thereby believe that is likely to be what is right for most others. My two complaints about this piece at all is that it is edited and there is a tiny tiny amount of pretext for the ideals of those in attendence and thereby voting. I mean standing there and "preaching to the choir" is pretty easy Mr Fry. Now go out and preach your piece to the world. Does this mean that I believe the catholic church is the one true mouthpiece of Gawd? Heck no, but to Mr. Fry I have to say: ole son your net has holes big enough to swim a school o fish throu
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Jonas - didn`t you see the results at the end? 700 people changed their minds from either "For" or "Undecided" to "Against" the motion after Fry and Hitchens spoke.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    Just shut up.

    The institution is good in intentions, but corrupted.

    Much like the world.

    Yes it needs fixing. But when something is broken... you fix it. Not ridicule it`s brokenness.

    Why am I still talking... people don`t learn.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    March 20, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    People who blindly follow religion because of what religion tells them are sheep.

    People who blindly follow this guy based on what he says are also sheep.

    Sheep are annoying.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    IMHO When any religion adopts a rank system, where one person is more holy, or more in "God`s" favor, there are these problems. If humans were perfect, this might work, but we are not. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and this is a fact, not just a funky quote. Nobody is more holy than I am, I don`t need a "go between" with me and my gods/deity/elemental, whatever.
    A person who finds comfort, a person who uses the teachings of their god for good, a person who helps out those who need help, these aren`t idiots, they are not morons. Those who use their stature to accumulate wealth, those who exercise power in the guise of holiness, these are the idiots, these are the ones who have no clue.
    Religion is not bad, the Church is. (I capitalize church to indicate the institution, not the physical building) My humble opinion, and like my mother said; "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has on and they all stink".
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    JJdagdelen Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    Damn, that guy`s nose is really broken.
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    MCFC89 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    I personally believe that ALL institutionalized religions are wrong. To me there is no need. Spirituality should be celebrated on a person to person basis.

    Religion has led to so many wars throughout history that it is almost ridiculous that it is considered by anyone to have been truly a good thing. Granted in the modern Western world that is no longer the case however that is due to secularization. That is just how I see things.
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Nicely said, Kalimata. Nicely said.
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    @kaffebaggle: This is incorrect. The Catholic HAS tried to make amends in a way that is formidable to its way of life. They have asked the world to forgive what they have done in the past. If people are so willing to forgive England, America, Germany, you name it, and not forgive religious institutions that right there sets a bad precedent.

    Oh and also, it seems I-am-bored has shown it`s colors yet again in posting something that honestly never would have been shown years ago. This site has changed and is in my opinion become a Bill O Reilly or Glenn Beck show but from the anti religious stance. What a drating joke. Great way to make your site fun btw.

    Let`s hope Break.com or cracked has more common sense than this site does.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    March 20, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    I have one quibble...was anyone actually burned to death in England for possessing a bible in English? Hanging was almost always used for execution in England. Even under the regime of Queen Mary ("Bloody Mary"), who (a) liked to kill people and (b) liked fire as a means of execution, hanging was more common.
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    its an evil but a lesser evil than islam, obvioulsy.
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    Jonas999 Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    I`m pretty certain that Joan of Arc was burned to death by the english but perhaps it`s not a good example. Secondly I would point out that almost any organized human endeavor is eventually led by those who tend to be driven by their own wants over others simply through the fact that the self interested are far more numerous and cut troat than the humanitarians. I would also like to point out that money/power are the ability to influence other humans. The use of such to make one`s goals evident (make the world love and understand god) is a heck of a lot faster than going out into the world and spreading god`s love. Lastly, I did see the results at the end of the voting and the percentages of positive to negative versus those who were already negative was kinda unimpressive. I mean anyone able to stand up and sound good can just about always sway the 20ish percent of any crowd to sway their way for an hour or so after their argument as long as they sound good.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Catholicism is more of Christianity hijacked for the Pope`s ego and power-trips...
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    @ ohthedrama: That would be true if the Church as an instituation accepted responsibility for its failings and its policies. It never has, and probably never will. Only the failings of individual Catholics are singled out as needing forgiveness not the Church as such. You should read Constantine`s Sword to see how this has played out with the Church and the Jews up to John Paul II. Or Benedicts "apology" regarding child abuse in Ireland that was issued today.
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    LawyerScum Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    Jesus would be very sad to see the Pope strolling around his golden palace purporting to speak for him.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    If people are so willing to forgive England, America, Germany, you name it, and not forgive religious institutions that right there sets a bad precedent.

    None of those countries claimed absolute, God-given moral authority while simultaneously committing the acts it would later apologise for (while still claiming moral authority for the acts it commits today).
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    MrHyde Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    Stephen Fry for President of Earth
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    Crabcakes Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    "I have one quibble...was anyone actually burned to death in England for possessing a bible in English?"

    Is there any way anyone could say 100% definitively that there was or wasn`t? The fact is, there were dozens upon dozens of methods the church would use to punish it`s transgressors, so quibbling over the historical validity of a single phrase is pointless, at best.

    Call it hyperbole, and take his message on a whole, rather than nitpick each individual part.
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    bunny_knight Male 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    damn, Steven fry single handedly owned the debate
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:18 pm
    davymid: "I want Stephen Fry to be my dad. And to read me stories every night before bedtime. There is little more comforting in life than the warm security that comes from being cared for by a sensible mind."

    You need to get out more and be more independent.
    Life is about taking risks and taking care of yourself. There is a far better sense of security and caring when you can provide for yourself and those you love, A great sense of pride and honor too.
    Crackr mate, that was a little joke on my part. A quip. I get out plenty. Worked every day of my life since I was legally allowed (age 16), even when it was ungodly hours and minimum wage to fit around 7 years of university, so my (wealthy and willing) parents didn`t have to subsidise me. On independence and taking risks, I`ve lived in seven different countries now, and have just recently two months ago emigrated to Canada with my wife and daughter, and am doing very well indeed.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    Sorry, double post.

    Let`s hope Break.com or cracked has more common sense than this site does.
    Can`t speak for Break, but Cracked.com IS us. The Cracked crew are (literally) down the corridor.

    Exercise: Scroll to the very bottom of this page. Hit up www.cracked.com and repeat.
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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:27 pm
    so who won the debate??

    bwahahahahhaha...sorry, just being a sarcastic wise-ass...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 20, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    so who won the debate??
    Fry owned it like a c*ck, Kinjo. Owned it like a c*ck.
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    Zuki Female 18-29
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    March 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    "Mr. Fry cannot be your father, he likes placing his genetic material into men not women."

    So you are saying that the only way to be a father is to place genetic material into women?

    This also implys that the only father you have is the one that was used for the genetic material used in your creation.

    So then step fathers, adopted fathers, and any other type of atypical father is not a father?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2010 at 12:02 am
    Zuki, it was a joke. Frig me till I come, it wasn`t even my joke, and yet I find myself here defending it. Correctly pointing out that Stephen Fry is homosexual ~~~ the role of fatherhood in child development? Talk about a leap of logic...
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 12:36 am
    I agree with the sentiment that the Catholic Church is very deeply flawed, but the manner in which he made his argument was also very deeply flawed. He brought up a few examples that were generally valid, but he spent most of his time using emotional appeal.

    The line "let`s not call it child abuse, let`s call it child rape" is the perfect example of this. He is using a stronger word that people will react more emotionally to, when the weaker term is more accurate, if either of the two is.

    When one is trying to make an argument against an irrational entity, it is generally most favorable to use rational debate techniques.
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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 12:37 am
    Woah, fry owned that lol
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 12:50 am
    Ah, I`ll correct my previous comment a bit. I missed the fact that he was literally referring to child rape.

    I will use another example that stuck out: "It`s hard for me to be told that I`m evil because I think of myself as someone who`s filled with love." Anyone can claim to be "filled with love." The fact of the matter is, if you commit wrong acts with intent and frequency, you are an evil person. I am not saying that he is evil, but that his argument cannot be applied equally to anyone, so it is flawed.

    I`m not trying to say that his entire talk was flawed. He did have some good points, but I would have wanted those arguing against the church to express the arguments in a much more strictly logical way.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 1:12 am
    I love this man.
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 1:25 am
    I love how IAB claims to be neutral.

    Regardless, why did he receive massive applause just for saying the system for assigning the clergy is really "messed up"? He didn`t even state any reasons, and the audience is just like "woo yeah".
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 5:10 am
    God I love Stephen Fry. He`s a very funny comedian and TV presenter, but his intelligence and wisdom makes him all the more appealing.
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    matrixie Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 5:22 am
    *sigh* I could listen to him talk forever :D
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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2010 at 7:43 am
    "green_batman: I`m not trying to say that his entire talk was flawed. He did have some good points, but I would have wanted those arguing against the church to express the arguments in a much more strictly logical way."

    If the church were remotely courageous enough to listen to logical arguments they would have ceased to exist long ago! In the meantime here is an anti-church rant-like trolling. Feel free to use Google to logically explain each of these points for yourself.

    Evolution proof-denying, warmongering, kiddy-fiddling, spud-munching nail-bombing, AIDS-promoting, gay-hating, child-indoctrinating, government subverting, money-grabbing, artifact-destroying, overpopulating, poverty-causing, cure-denying, Jesus-creeping, sandle-wearing, god bothering, sanctimonius, buzz-killing, climate-change-denying, animal-abusing, lifestyle-destroying, blank-eyed, hive-minded, over-powered, archaeic meddling idiots. :0)
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 8:32 am
    Max Normal: The point isn`t to make the church change its position; the point is to convince other people that the church is wrong. Many people wouldn`t want to do research, either out of mild or greater bias, or out of laziness. When you present the arguments to them and include real examples and studies, you are more likely to convince people of your point of view because you are controlling the information they get on the subject. I don`t mean that to say that you should hide opposing facts, I mean that rather than a personal bias making them not want to do the research, you have presented the research to them, bypassing the barrier. This doesn`t mean that everyone is easily convinced - some people are simply too stubborn and irrational - but you convince more people when you debate logically.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2010 at 9:04 am
    I`m pretty certain that Joan of Arc was burned to death by the english but perhaps it`s not a good example.

    It`s not a good example of someone burned to death in England for owning a bible in English, no. Not considering the fact that she was executed in France for picking one side in a civil war and might or might not have been burnt to death. Being burnt at the stake didn`t necessarily mean being burnt to death - many of the people were killed first and then burned.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2010 at 9:08 am
    so quibbling over the historical validity of a single phrase is pointless, at best.

    The distinction between a rational, reasonable argument and lying propaganda is more than a pointless quibble.

    There is a way to tell - they kept records of executions. Such a case (and Fry states there were more than one) would have been important and controversial, so there would be records. If it happened.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Can`t speak for Break, but Cracked.com IS us. The Cracked crew are (literally) down the corridor.
    Whoa...My big, Jewish friend says hi to the cracked team :D
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    Nick513 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Oh...I confused him with Phillip J. Fry..This is boring.
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    gingernut333 Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Stephen Fry is so inspirational to me and many others as these comments have shown me, I absolutely loved this video, thank you for posting it.

    I think it`s ridiculous that a religious debate has to start everytime something like this is brought up; people have opinions, if they`re not the same as yours it doesn`t matter, they`re still just as valid.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    March 21, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    people have opinions, if they`re not the same as yours it doesn`t matter, they`re still just as valid.

    Rubbish. What about, for example, the opinion that all prostitutes should be murdered? Or the opinion that everyone who doesn`t obey a particular religion should be murdered? Or the opinion that molesting children should be legal? Or the opinion that racial segregation or deportation in the name of racial purity should be enforced? Or the opinion that forced marriages at the age of 8 are fine?

    There are people who hold those opinions, and many other opinions just as bad. It is not true that all opinions are equally valid.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    March 21, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    Batman: "The line "let`s not call it child abuse, let`s call it child rape" is the perfect example of this. He is using a stronger word that people will react more emotionally to, when the weaker term is more accurate, if either of the two is."

    Nice try at psychoanalysing his speech. There is nothing wrong with knowing how to speak to your audience. Hell, you wouldn`t purchase anything as a consumer if your advertisers didn`t know their audience and speak to you in ways that capture your attention and leave an impression. You act like this is a wrong thing. Well, it`s not... but you are.

    Also, did priests have sexual intercourse with young boys? YES

    Is sex with minors termed as rape? YES

    Then, is it called rape? YES

    I don`t see the problem here. Perhaps you are a pedophile and like to drat little boys? Did I capture your attention with the use of my language?
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
    1014 posts
    March 22, 2010 at 10:11 am
    I`m dissapointed, no Croco-duck?
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
    271 posts
    March 22, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    stephen fry is a man for his generation.

    so smart, incisive and true.

    brilliant speech... impossible to ignore.
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    xhappyhourx Female 18-29
    34 posts
    March 30, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    I`m getting kinda tired of your anti-Christian posts. Where are the posts bashing other religions? Grow some balls.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    April 9, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    vv You find it, and submit it.

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