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So...you think this video applies to Jews but not Christians?
How do you, personally, dismiss the passages in the NT about how the OT still applies? In particular, the direct quote from Jesus that every one of the old laws applies entirely until the end of the world? Matthew 5:18-19.
Or are you just ignorant of those things? You know what that would mean, according to you.
Doubtless the same is true for other religions too, but I don`t know enough about them to be sure of which ones.
It`s not D-bag, it`s arsehole. I know I`m an non-nice individual.
From the subtitle: "The quotes that don`t serve Christians, that is..."
"I hate Blacks" "Hey that`s racist" "Oh, I only meant the <insert negative stereotype here> ones"
Notice he didn`t say "Gangbangers/Gangstas/Etc" he said black people. Black people might get upset about it. Again, psychology 101 would tell you why.
I`ve started using "Antitheists" instead of "Atheists" for example when talking about what I specifically dislike, which has little to do with Atheism.
Otherwise I wouldn`t have married an Atheist, hung out on Atheist forums, have an Atheist as my best friend, etc.
Yet people on this site got upset when I used "Atheists". They`re right to.
Here is a chick tract. For those of you in the know, you`ll know that JTC is a spiteful, hateful ignoramus, who couldn`t string two words together for a serious debate.
Notice how in the comic he drew we have: A stereotyped Atheist, who loses to the religious kid.
What have we learned from this? That Cartoons are easy to argue against when you get to be both voices, painting your opponent any way you choose.
Feel free to ignore any parallels.
(P.S. Most of those "good" verses have had their contexts explained to me by Christians, even when it wasn`t necessarily in a favorable light. My favourite being "Turn the other cheek". Context is always important, not just selectively.
If you`re suggesting people are more likely to complain about the negative, might I advise a psychology 101 class).
Then I will correct you. The KJV dates from 1611; there have been 73 new versions at least since then. The reason why no-one has `re-written` it is because every new translation must pass rigorous proofreading to ensure that there are no mistakes in meaning or intent; that the translation sticks, as closely as possible, to the original meaning.
That`s all I`ll say.
It`s sad that religion teaches such things. Maybe Sorry, took that out of context! HAHa..
After 3 years of I-A-B, a comment a day seems nice and easy...
"Why must you peddle your beliefs here."To quote myself : "The best belief is a belief kept to yourself."
"Even worse, he has no idea that he is the close minded one.."It`s "closed minded", my typo, your fault. (joking)
"batmanners i agree with you. beating off a dead horse"
To clear everything up, I only made ignorant comments to troll a flame war, and it worked. I do think arguing religion is a complete waste of time though. The first step towards world peace will be for everyone to pick a religion, interpret it in their own way, and keep it to themselves. Religion is a good thing to have if it`s what you need to tell you what`s right and wrong, not everyone needs to be told that stuff.
Of course with all the bible thumping I have seen in my life, the most hateful people I`ve encount
Really, you holy rollers kind of do it all to yourselves. IAB is just good enough to allow us a forum in which to point, laugh and flame.
To give you an idea of how backwards they people are, the leaders mother, phylish shlaffly, wrote a book called mien kampf (in homage to hitler) about how women and every other minority are to dumb to live.
Damn it...well it`s worth a try.
Because somebody with enough power and influence will come along and change it back to oppression and suffering to control the people to suite their needs. =(
In all these years of war and suffering, why hasn`t anyone re-written the bible to include only love, acceptance and friendly views of equality and understanding?
Correct me if I`m wrong but I`m certain that the last person to re-write the bible was King James, hence the "King James Version" that everyone swears by.
If there`s so many bad passages that no one follows or needs to follow anymore because they don`t apply to modern day society (stoning, sacrifices, kidnapping from other nations for slaves) then why don`t you sit down and update the damn thing?
If a human like King James did it, why can`t a human like me or you do it?
Hell, I`ll do it, I`ll make sure it`s fair and just, give me the gist of it and I`ll write a new bible for everyone, if only so you can quite bickering already over who has it right or not and be happy with it.
There`s been a serious lack of interesting new stuff on the internet lately. It`s been unusually boring. They`re probably scraping the bottom of the barrel just to have something to put on here.
But man oh man, is it EVER good to just pick up that ONE chapter and quote from it to justify bigotry of sexual orientations and other religions.
It`s not Christian bashing, it`s mindless bible thumper bashing.
There are intelligent Christians and the ones who only hear what they want and regurgitate what other people said is in the bible and don`t read it themselves. There are passages that are not nice! There are the vengeful God passages and the loving one. It isn`t slander against God. The Christian God isn`t always a fluffy bunny of fuzzy love.
I didn`t see this as christian bashing, It seems like it`s making a point about how "context" is complex and that the bible really isn`t all love and joy, as so many people argue it is. That`s all. This video doesn`t deny existence of god, it interrogates a supposed holy text.
Just because you personally don`t take it literally just means this video isn`t aimed at you. It`s aimed at the issue between people who believe it`s 100% true and those who don`t.
If some of it was not appropriate and shouldn`t be taken literally, then why accept any of it? That`s the point moderate Christians seem to miss. If you know which moral codes to accept and which ones to reject, then obviously your morality is independent from your religion. Why not cut out the middleman and know what`s right and wrong without the need for religion?
"higher power" of some sort
IAB claims to help cure boredom, Or at least that`s implied by the name. Instead, It`s become "let`s hate on this or hate on that or start a flame war"
To interpret it literally or to use it out of context (and that goes for BOTH sides) is like taking "it`s raining cat`s and dogs" literally.
Another problem with the term Atheist is that most Atheists aren`t true Atheists, but do not fit any title and settle for being called an Atheist. For example, I have no idea if there is or isn`t a God. Others are Agnostic, which gets lumped in with Atheism, but shouldn`t. Others are non-theist, they just don`t play the game.
Also, don`t confuse people who don`t believe in God with those who think all religions are bullpoo. It takes a whack job to claim he knows if God exists or not. It takes common sense to know the Bible is a crock.
Batmanners went on to post these quotes:"I hope you never have kids.""I know what I believe""I dunno, I didn`t bother to read what you wrote""I assumed you had a "pro Jesus" approach to it. Which instantly made me hate your opinion.""The best belief is a belief kept to yourself.""Don`t bother replying, I`m not following this conversation any further due to lack of interest."
It seems Batmanners has no earthly clue what the definition of "close minded" means. Even worse, he has no idea that he is the close minded one..
Who asked you?
Screw you guys, I`m goin` home.
The best belief is a belief kept to yourself.\
Edit: Don`t bother replying, I`m not following this conversation any further due to lack of interest.
You`re so close minded its sickening. And the fact you`re in denial about it is atrocious. I hope you never have kids.
The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife`s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband`s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.
Seriously, nobody cares, even if they agree with you.
Love your wife as Christ loved the church. Give yourself up for your wife.
Ephesians 5:22-24 NLT
drat faith, drat lack of faith and drat you if you have an opinion on faith.
* Jesus` teachings on the Law also focused on inward obedience, or obedience of the heart, rather than outward, legalistic obedience (Mt 5:21-28). Furthermore, Matthew 15:17-20 contains the same teaching that in Mark is explicitly interpreted as saying that all foods are clean (Mk 7:14-23).
* "The law is fulfilled ethically rather than ceremonially," which Jesus emphasizes by quoting Hosea 6:6: "I desire mercy, not sacrifice" (Mt 9:13, 12:7).
Jesus` fulfillment of the Law applies particularly to the sacrificial system. The requirement of sacrifice in order for sins to be forgiven is still in effect, but the requirement has been fulfilled by Jesus` dea
I`m seriously not even speaking on my own behalf, I saw someone else comment on this in another religious post, but since he says "I" is he not technically saying he himself, and not God?
I seriously think we should just leave each other alone. I`ve had too many things happen to me for me not to believe in a God, and others think differently.
Matthew 5:17 says,
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I am not real religious but i know the old testment was the way it was but no longer.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
Are we on the same page now, or are you still behind?
I also find it funny that you rail against Atheists for misunderstanding Christians, and in doing so you make the same mistake about Atheists.
You want to debate someone who has "actually done some research into the subject", but I doubt they want to debate someone who gets so defensive and irrational, and who`s main argument is to point to Bible passages that support their position.
I think many atheists have this twisted view of Christians. There are millions of Christians in the world, and most of them live peaceful quiet lives where they don`t bother anyone. Then, there are a select few Christians who are hell-raisers and hateful people who continually try and bombard people with their opinion. I think most Atheists only notice the smaller group (Probably because they`re louder and screaming "LOOK AT ME"), but that in no way reflects on the majority of christian people.
My challenge to you is to show that they are good people because of the Bible and not that they read the Bible because they are good people.
I think you believe you need to be a Christian to be good, but that belief is grossly mistaken.
A very interesting portrayal of The Law section of the Old Testament. Includes the bits about stoning your children to death.
But in lego!
Also, just because a whole lot of people do/did evil "in the name of God" doesn`t mean Jesus Christ would have thought it was a great idea. The Bible clearly states otherwise. Christians who hate ANYONE are not very Christ-like at all, because Christ turned away no one.
I`m a very Liberal Christian, so you won`t find me searching the internet for ammunition I can shove down your throats, unlike you guys, who seem to put a lot of effort into it, when really we could just be humane and stop trying to slit each other’s throats.
For the record, I don`t wish the fiery pits of hell or ‘God`s smiting’ upon any of you and I hope, IF Christianity turns out to be right in the end, that it’s all a metaphor for something less extreme. There`s plenty of debate in the Christian world over what exactly heaven and hell are, and to me a place of eternal torture and damnation doesn`t really fit the persona of a forgiving God, but I digress.
So there you go. *Hits Eject*
You can call us idiots for that and IAB can continue its stream of poking fun and bullying religious people, but none of it makes me doubt my beliefs. In fact, since IAB seems to love shoving atheism down my throat every day and since most of you IAB hardline atheists seem to be completely apathetic bastards about the whole thing, it actually has the opposite effect on me.
Here`s a quote I found from an English author; “Absolute atheism and absolute theism dance to the same tune, each driving the other to further and further streams of absolute conviction”.
"Come out and say that the old testament laws were absolutely hideous"
OK, as a Christian, I`m prepared to admit that. But one of the cries the "stereotypical Christian" yells out is "That`s from a different time and a different culture" and (you`re going to hate me for saying this) I stand by that argument for many of them. All the `bad` verses came from the Old Testament while most of the `good` verses come from Jesus and the New Testament, and the New Testament is what separates Christianity from Judaism. As Evanking said, "bitches dont know about my new covenant."
I know that answer won`t satisfy any of you and I`m not saying that accounts for all the passages. There`s stuff in there I won’t try to account for, and don`t even understand myself. But you’ve got to remember that it`s all based on FAITH, that’s the ‘buzzword’ of religion.
If you truly want the world to be what you think Jesus would want, then history shows that you wont find it in the Bible.
"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock."
Way to go, God!
34 By the way that he came he will return; he will not enter this city," declares the LORD.
35 "I will defend this city and save it, for my sake and for the sake of David my servant!"
36 Then the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morningâ€”there were all the dead bodies! 37 So Sennacherib king of Assyria broke camp and withdrew. He returned to Nineveh and stayed there.
There is just one of the passages he mentions towards the end of the video. He says "What about the night when he slays 185,000 people? What he should have said is, What about the night when he
I never realized serving others and the person who gave me these ideals were the epitome of sin.
We`re the ones who have to follow his rules.
Also, christian!stickman, learn to read what you`re worshipping before you defend it. :|
If I were to find out he really existed after I die, I would ask God a simple question, "Who died for God`s sins?"
But i agree that the New Testament is a far cry from the old, far less smiting.
Because its not hip to do hate rants on Muslims or Jews or any one else besides Christians.
Christians that don`t like the message here, will just call it a bad film that was way to long, they will not give any real reasons why they don`t like it, because they know the message is = true
Seriously, most people know by now it is nothing more than a book written by people to progress their own ideas.