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It`s fcking stupid and it needs to stop.
Ignorants is a great word, I like that.
You`re also mistaken on most of your other points.
It`s nearly unheard of for the bull to be spared. But the torturing is the problem more than the death anyways.
Before the real fight with the matador, a rider on horseback tires the bull out. He finishes by stabbing the bull at the base of the neck with a lance, to weaken it and force it to carry its head lower, make it safer.Those flags are stabbed into its shoulders by three or four men in the next round.After that is the show of matador versus (weakened, bleeding, injured) bull.
Oh, and it isn`t so rare for the horse in the first round to be gored or mutilated.
Here in Spain, the locals are against the bullfights as often than not. The bullring here is unfinished, progress halted, covered in graffiti reading "Toros no!"
im vegetarian, But i feel like i help the cause more by just not acting like a jackass.
Its better to just not preach all the time, or nobody will take you seriously.And youll look like a jackass. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
Apparently even most of Spain is no longer interested in this "tradition". Let`s face it, it continues because it`s an industry. Tons of money to be made.
This is from a tourism site from Spain. Every article I have found about the fights has said that at the end of the fight the bull dies no matter what, and that the only judgment made is about the matadors worthiness of trophies.
It also says it a show, meaning entertainment, which they charge admission to see.
all i`ll say is if you don`t understand it then go see it yourself, that will answer alot of thing about it
Fine the USA and Canada, both countries that you and I belong to. Not for entertainment? How do explain the spectator portion? A ritual for the bull? did you ask the bull?
"Stabbing a bull is a sign of respect" - When I respect somebody, stabbing them is at least 3rd on the list of things I`d like to do to them out of respect.
Tradition just means something is super old. Traditionally, women could not vote or work outside the home, so we should respect that continued viewpoint? Just because something is old, doesn`t mean it has any value.
I can`t understand on any level how you see nothing whatsoever wrong with it. You grew up with it I guess, so it`s just some mundane thing. But seriously, bulls don`t care if you respect them, they have no concept of respect. So taking away all the "honour" the mighty bull is supposed to be feeling-- all you`re left with is a guy in a ring stabbing a clueless animal (to death or not).
Why should anybody respect that?
1) Nothing you have said has compelled me to believe the bull is being treated well.
2) This is silly and has nothing to do with my second point so why even bother numbering it. It`s a tradition in some countries to cut major portions of the female anatomy off, should that continue simply because it`s tradition? Bad argument.
3. What does which bulls are picked have anything to do with the moral acceptability of the act, or to with whether or not the bull is frightened?
4. So what? The time of year or amount of occurrence has nothing to do with the morality, and again nothing with point 4.
5. See previous comments. IRRELEVANT.
6. This is rarely the case, and has nothing to do with the suffering of the bull, and again nothing to do with my point.
7. Why? Nothing compels me to.
you forget that mexico is also a north american country, and bull fights are a big thing there too. like i said before, they are not for entertainment. it is sorta like a ritual for the bull and the person facing the bull
2) its a tradition
3) only certain bulls are picked
4) corrida de toros are seasonal
5) it is 6 bulls at 1 corrida that are in it
6) the bull stays alive if the torero is injured or if the bull survives the 3rd terceo, or if the crowd believes that the bull has done well, they will ask the president to spare it
and 7) RESPECT THIS DAMN TRADITION/SPORT/ART AND SIT THROUGH A DAMN CORRIDA TO UNDERSTAND IT AND STOP BEING IGNORANTS
I am vehemently opposed to PETA as I have said over and over again. They are left wing nuts. However, the torture and suffering of any animal for reasons of entertainment only are wrong in my opinion. In north America if an animal is treated this way, especially a common pet there are very real, albeit limited, consequences for what we call a crime. the reasoning is bullpoo. Culture is a bad cop out for animal abuse in a lot of these situations. The population of animals has nothing to do with suffering. If your position is that all living creatures are less than a human being in value at any level, and therefore deserve no consideration, and any pain and suffering felt by them is acceptable, so be it. Let that be your argument. But don`t undermine this argument by trying to argue against any other point.
1) The bulls are forced to participate.2) The fight stops should a matador be injured, but the fight continues until the bull is dead.3) The bull is frightened.4) The bullfight is not a main source of food harvest for Italy and thus cannot be a necessary source of meat stocks.5)Respect for an animal in Italy is equated to not allowing it the ability to elude it`s hunter, and taunting it into a fight to which the advantage is given to the matador.6) The bull is unaware of the situation they are in, has less ability to comprehend the situation, and are generally at a mental disadvantage.
if you would take your time to learn about this tradition/sport/art instead of being an ignorant person, it is a test between a strong bull and a person, which both are very respected. the blaze of glory is the whole "ritual" the goes on in a corrida. the bull proves to be a quick learner, and it shows how mighty it is.
and the meat of a bull that was bread is very fine and tastes great. that`s another reason why they go through all that
If I were a bull, I`d like to just be left the drat alone. Now if that`s not possible (since it seems people would fall over dead if they didn`t get some bull meat when they felt like some), I would like the quickest death. Bulls have no concept of "glory"; that`s just another way of humans muddling the issue to feel justified.
it says "no to bull fighting"
ever heard of the book like water for chocolate?
please read it
if you see through all the metaphor, you`ll get a little peek of respect and sickening
someone with some sense!!
Culture can go drat itself.
I didn`t say I disagreed with taxidermy as a whole, just those that would waste a life just to decorate their home. Situations such as your father is an acceptable circumstance, as well as those that simply mount the skin of an animal they killed to eat.
the "slow and painful death" is not as bad as you think it is. bull fighting is a tradition, not amusement, the bull is very respected there, and the bull doesn`t die, it is treated and after a feew days its good as new
yea i might sound cruel, but this is something i grew up with, and i like it. all im trying to say is that most people say that its a horrible place with a bunch bulls being killed for the people watching to get a good laugh. and its not like that at all
Haha, what? It`s not quite the same thing as a crappy TV show. Last I checked, nobody died while filming Leno. (Though if I had to go to a taping, I`d probably kill myself).
There is a big difference between killing for burgers, killing for fun (hunting), and killing slowly for spectator amusement. I`m no big animal rights fanatic, but that much is pretty obvious.
And if they are still standing by the third terceo, they will either die pretty quickly after from all of the wounds and blood loss, or be in a lot of bloody pain.
This is very confusing, bloody and confusing. And I think that may just be the worst kind of confusing.
if the bull is still able to get on its feet before the end of the third terceo, the bull is spared and lives without anybody doing anything to it
@witchhunterthey ARE getting a chance, like someone else here said, i don`t remember the username, the bull is spared.
a corrida is a sport. there a 3 thirds, or tres terceos, and if the bull is able to stad up or if it injures the torero enough for him or her not to hold the sword, they spare the bull and lives a happy life
and fyi, humas are predators too. and a bull is a boy cow, we still use bulls for burgers and menudo
Technically, bulls aren`t raised for meat... Steers are. Granted, a steer used to be a bull, but still.
Hey dude, if you get off on torturing animals, that`s cool and it`s your own thing, but how exactly is our opposing the torture, barbaric and archaic?
I am sure that the rodeo scene cares that you`ll "let it slide". Glad to know it`s okay with you.
Too bad it will never change anything.
Culture or not, it`s still killing something as a spectator sport.
Protesting like total douches is Barbaric and Archaic as well.
If you don`t like it don`t watch.
They are torturing and killing an animal, in from of a cheering crowd.
It IS barbaric and archaic.
When you take all the other factors out (some of which I agree with and some I don`t), it`s still torturing and animal, for fun. There is no way to make that seem "right".
That makes it right? Because they breed more aggressive bulls? That in itself is abuse in a sense that they are cultivating a beast simply to be killed in show. Naturally bulls aren`t as aggressive, so without human manipulation, everyone here is correct. These bulls have no chance.
"The fighting bull is characterized by its aggressive behaviour, especially when solitary or unable to flee"
So, the bull may or may not be aggressive in day to day pasture, but come time to kill it, you ensure it`s aggression by giving it no where to go and panicking it. Why are are you arguing this?
Do you know how difficult it is to hit that target. It rarely happens on the first strike. I certainly didn`t mention blood loss and I don`t know if anyone did, but my problem is that the "dance" is torture. Provoking, goading, terrifying in front of thousands of people screaming and shouting. It`s drating barbaric.
Sir, I think we have a different Idea of what Sexy should be
Nonetheless, the bulls are not aggressive when left alone, typically. Sure they can be aggressive, and have tendency towards it due to their size and high levels of testosterone, but it`s still s legitimate point to make in saying, that the provoking of these aggressive tendencies for our entertainment is wrong.
Just so we`re clear, there are times when taxidermy isn`t about sport hunting. My dad is an ex-mountie and he some animal control situations and as a result has a cougar, 2 bears, and a wolf. He also found a dead owl and a duck on the side of the road. Not to mention, the meat can be removed and the skin saved for taxidermy, and people eat just about everything including bear meat.
Chemicals or no chemicals. Adrenaline or no Adrenaline. Chance or no Chance. Make no mistake about it, that animal is panicked and fighting to stay alive in front of an audience for entertainment. As if stabbing it to death wasn`t enough, you add the screaming and cheering a thousands of spectators. How can you justify terrifying something so badly before it dies? Our usual meal type cows don`t even see it coming. You`ve been sucked in by some attempt to justify a long fancy death.
That being said, I hate pita and their tactics.
Slaugthering bulls for a food is a nature`s way of doing things. Every single second there are dozens of animals killed by predators who do it to feed themselves. And what are we but an advanced animals? Who gives us the right to torture animals by stabbing them and letting them die in pain before using them as a food?
It is not illegal yet because the human society is ignorant of their own faults and flaws. What about smoking? It is legal, yet it kills millions of people every year. And I am not talking about smokers, but passive smokers who die because of someone else`s fault.
I`d be more willing to watch it.
@KougaijiIf you had a cancer and had only 3 months left to live, would you like someone to stab you every day till you die? I think not.
If it were THAT bad, it would be illeagal. like i said, the bull isn`t tortured. Before the corrida, it goes through a little maze of doors and before the last door there are people making noises and after that door it goes into the other noises which the crowd is making
There is a huge difference between a quick death at a slaughter house and a long, painful death in a ring.
It amazes me that folks can take pleasure in watching an animal be brutally murdered...
Perhaps, if you tried to live your life in a bit different way and tried to view much larger scale of the world around you - you could live a life that is much more better than a bull`s life.
Animal torture in any way is pointless and cannot contribute to society whatsoever. Corridas are a traditional practice kept around because some folks do enjoy animal torture. The traditional practice was to burn every single man or woman that stated that the world is round. Should we keep that too?
i understand that it IS considered animal abuse, but those bulls are def not tortured. You maybe you got THAT from google, but i KNOW what goes on in corridas, since i grew up watching them and even gone to the ranches and where everything in the back of corridas is and let me tell you that those bulls are doing better than myself.
yes, to anger the bull they taunt them, but they don`t do anything to hurt them before the corrida
Also, drat tradition. Every day we advance humanity by a small bit. Clinging to tradition simply denies that advancement and says to the world; "I value my ignorance and abhor change."
@xXKaryXxDo not be ignorant of the animal abuse constantly done in corridas. You are saying the bull would kill the matador the first time he gets a chance. The bulls are not agressive by nature. They are molested and somewhat tortured before the battle in order to become agressive. This way the bull will try to express his anger on any moving object, which of course is a matador himself. The matador is brave, but stupid nonetheless.
I must say I enjoy watching every time a bull severely hurts a matador, for any matador is an animal abuser and such people do make me sick.
Who gives a crap how "brave" the matador is. He is stabbing a living animal to death. Not humane at all. Very cruel and archaic.
How is that slavery? Were only using them to eat
You sir have induced vomit."
the bull isn`t stabbed before they release it
If a bull is injured BEFORE the corrida, they get another one. They use the healthiest and strongest that they`ve raised, some are even spared after the corrida, since it cannot be killed within los terceos.
the toreros aren`t being merciless like going from the back, they always run to the bull form the front, putting the sword on the spine.
I doubt that that is considered sick
we ARE going to eat the bull, and its a tradition, some even consider it art
the bulls used were especially raised to be part of this, so you can say they live a better life than most of us
It`s not ridiculous at all and you`re an idiot. I don`t know if there`s a diff between bull-fighting and `the running of the bulls`, but in bull-fighting, the fight STARTS with the bull already stabbed and disadvantaged. It`s not brave what the matador does, it`s drating sick. Both are sick depraved excuses for sports and to defend either one is vomit-inducing.
You sir have induced vomit.
Um, you`re adding a normative tag to evolution. Evolution tells us facts about the universe, but those fact don`t, by themselves, entail anything about what we should do.
We ban Dogfighting in the US, and we tear down prominent athletes who engage in it. Bullfighting is no more noble.
No = no.Corridas = Some form of the verb to run.Toros = Bulls