Conservative Idiots Screw With Texas Education

Submitted by: Pooptart19 7 years ago in
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35839979/ns/us_news-education

They voted to teach about "America"s Christian heritage" and the "weaknesses" of evolution.
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Male 21
This is why republicans scare me.
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Male 1,610
They just gave preliminary approval to this and will be posting the changes on the Texas Education Agency`s website in mid-april.
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Male 73
"Most of the founding fathers were deist, not theist. Benjamin Franklin was an Atheist"

He most certainly was not an Atheist. From his own autobiography:

"...Sunday being my studying day, I never was without some religious principles. I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that He made the world, and governed it by His providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter."

You can certainly argue he was a Diest, and make a tough arguement that he wasn`t a Christian, but he always was a believer in some type of god.

The left and the right trying to co-opt the founders is getting ridiculous.
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Male 73
""God given freedoms" and God this god that mentioned all through the constitution."

What the hell are you talking about. Where in the Constitution is God mentioned?
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Male 132
Well put ElSombrero.

And Jonas999, true Christians don`t take their lord`s name in vain, nor do they swear like a sailor, so to speak. Sorry to be nitpicky.

tridirk, few people in general have tolerance for anyone these days. It`s rather disheartening.
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Male 2,796
I arrived late to the off topic...topic. Just thought I would add that the American Indians didn`t necessarily get forced out due to land and resource use. They got forced out/killed... whatever because they had no concept of a war campaign. To them, a battle was a battle... not a sustainable campaign where they had to constantly expand, improve technology and ifrastructure, etc. Those are things modern people do. The Indians had been the same, with the same technology more or less for huindreds of years, while we were ever changing by the year.

Again, the American Indians lost their land and way of life because they lacked the mindset and numbers that we had at the time. I am not advocating it, I am just saying it`s true.
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Male 313
it should be child abuse to brainwash children with political doctrine. Funny how teaching about good and evil is now brainwashing?

Ever notice-Libs, Progressives, (whatever their flavor of the day title is), have little to no tolerance for anyone that doesn`t think like they do.
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Male 78
Chruch and goddamn state, pooE, what part of that does`nt make drating [email protected][email protected]! I am a christian and so were the founding fathers but DAMN!!! drating Texans...and I`m from Georgia.
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Male 716
Okay... it is good to ponder the weaknesses of the -theory- of evolution.

And it is good to teach how Christian Influences shaped the nation... because, well, they did. However, so did Rome and Greece (Capitol named after Capitoline in Rome)

However, it is not good to base their education solely on this. Because America has progressed, and there is so much more.

Many of these ideas are present in the state of Texas and therefore should be taught. But it must also be taught that there are other beliefs just as legitimate in this world and in this country.
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Male 601
Most of the founding fathers were deist, not theist. Benjamin Franklin was an Atheist. Claiming they want to teach the Judeo-Christian influences seems like another attempt by religious demagogues to establish the U.S as a Christian nation. This country was founded on logic and tolerance, not theist values.
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Female 1,283
Wtf? When I clicked on the link, a grandma wearing basketball shades comes up :-/

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Male 976
This is absolutely drating ridiculous.
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Male 25,417
why put there hands in everything?
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Male 230
There is nothing wrong with teach that America was founded as a republic vs a democracy because it originally was/is a republic i.e. " and to the republic for witch it stands..". But in no way shape or form should religion be taught in schools, now the history of our country (USA) or other countries that have had religious influence, there`s nothing wrong with pointing that out. But there is a part of the declaration of independents that most crazy Christians refuse to look at, the part that says " In no way is this country based on any religious believe".
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Male 129
If God can do anything, can He make a mountain which is too heavy for Him to lift?

will the education board also teach about the Vatican Sex Scandals?
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Male 2,229
"I believe in the United States of America, as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.
— William Tyler Page, The American`s Creed"

Seems that this need to be taught the US military, disband your mercenary contractors, and disband the terrorist organization that is better known as the CIA; and just maybe I might start taking American foreign policy `engagements` for what they say they are instead of occupational brutalization terrorism.
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Male 2,229
It seems that the the United States has three to four `regions`; New England, Texas, and California. And then there`s the Mormon/Heartland/Prairie area. The fascists that call themselves `conservative` and pushing a destructive no-liberal economic/political agenda on the US. Which they`ve pushed on other regions of the world (ie. south america), that have been proven NOT to work. And all it dose is get people killed, in the name of money and power. If the American people don`t get a spine and stand up to the minority elites, the average person won`t have much of a government or a country to "cheer for"
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Male 10,440
One last thing... the headline of this article:

[quote] New social studies curriculum stresses religion over evolution [/quote]

No where in the article is this mentioned. What the f*ck? You know what, with all the conservative bias and bad journalism here, I`ll just go out and say the whole thing is wrong.

Can we get our news from a better source next time?
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Male 10,440
To be fair, the educational system in Texas sucked to begin with.

*herm* and now, rather hilariously I might say, there are 3rd world countries with better educational systems than Texas. (and that`s not a joke, I meant it)
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Male 14
By the way, "Was she not supposed to do that?" was not a rhetorical question. I wanted to know.
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Male 14
This is a focking wad of cum.

Anyway, during world history this year, my teacher taught us about 20 different religions. Was she not supposed to do that? I enjoyed learning about the different brainwashing techniques quite a bit.
(Just kidding (not really (no offense))).

Also, @G795mp: Yeah, leftists. Why we view these posts is because we know what this site is about and we agree with what it`s about. So biased is fine. I come to this website to see posts of ridiculous poo, so I can laugh at them. If I want to read unbiased article post headlines I can go over to a news site and search it up and I do. Another thing: you`re right. If G.W. said he was a satanist, he would`ve been hung by his nutsack. But we`re talking about NOW. Not when the constitution was being made. Nobody wants the US to be a Christian nation except Christians.
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Male 62
"I wonder if it would help to have teachers across the nation refuse to use these text books?"

Actually, most teachers do. It`s called closed door teaching. They even teach this method at teacher credential programs at universities here in California. It`s when you keep nodding and saying yes to everything your school board requests you to teach and as soon as they leave the room, you close the door and really teach what you think should be taught. I don`t know if this happens across the country, but it happens enough here in California that it`s mentioned in credential programs. I can actually remember some of my instructors here in the bay area doing this. Especially in Amer. Govn`t and history classes.

If you have been following this case, you`ll notice the Texas teachers association hasn`t publicly said anything. My guess is, they have seen something like this before and probably will see it again, either way, they`ll probably teach whatever they think
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Female 394
I wonder if it would help to have teachers across the nation refuse to use these text books? I doubt it would happen, but wouldn`t that be a wake up call?
Hopefully some of the students will be fortunate enough to have teachers that are willing to reach outside the confines of the assigned curriculum, and maybe teach that not everything you read is true.
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Female 1,148
I wish people would understand that the country isn`t JUST Christians. Learning about the `christian heritage` would probably offend the Jewish or Muslim Americans; why aren`t we learning about THEIR culture?. Our text books really need to have a broader range of facts. Evolution also kicks the crap out of the `God made everything` logic.
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Male 591
My sister-in-law teaches at a high school in Texas and is far from being a liberal herself, but knowing her I have no doubt she would agree with the headline 100%.
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Male 50
And by the way, just because the US doesn`t have an "official religion" and the fact that it allows you to practice whatever religion, it can still be a CHRISTIAN nation.

"God given freedoms" and God this god that mentioned all through the constitution.

Im not saying any religion is better than another but what do you think George Washington would`ve said if you were like "Oh well I`m satanist?" Just saying you probably would`ve been laughed at or shot. Just sayin.
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Male 50
USAR Guy- Yes they are. But you have to realize IAB and most of its readers are leftists. A non biased caption would have read-

Texas Education System Modified.

Not "Texas education system screwed up by idiots"
Or "Texas education system greatly improved"

I like neutrality. I can make up my own mind thanks, I don`t need you to do it for me IAB. ;)


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Male 409
What you need to understand is that these standards aren`t just for TX. Many other states use the TX standards because it is one of the largest markets. So, even if you don`t live in TX your children will likely be impacted.

Go to Texas Freedom Network and read their blogs, this will tell you just how extreme these idiots are. My favorite quote, "someone needs to stand up to the experts", this was said by a dentist who believes he knows more about history and biology than college professors.
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Male 7,378
Retards reign supreme in Texas.
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Male 988
"Teachers in Texas will be required to cover the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation`s Founding Fathers"
Oh you mean influences that weren`t there?
Dipsh**s. I`m moving to Texas soon (I have no choice) and THIS is the kind of education I`ll be getting? F**K ME WITH A RAKE.
*very pissed off now*
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Male 139
"Texas = Dangerous, Racist state that never should have been allowed in the Union"

You win the `worst comment` award. Lots of people moved to Texas because it`s better than the hellholes they used to call home. The only dangerous people are the small minority that got power when they shouldn`t have because nobody cared, but now you can bet they won`t be around for long. The only racists are the few vocal dumb and ignorant rednecks who the media love to make a big deal about, but most people welcome whoever wants to make a positive contribution to society.
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Male 586
"We have been about conservatism versus liberalism," said Democrat Mavis Knight.... LOL wut?
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Male 10,338
word andrew...
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Male 50
Democracy seems to refer a bit more closely to the voting process itself and republic to the entity that`s formed by said process. My take is that we`re both and that it`s picking nits/arguing reactively to take much of a stand on it in the first place. The only reason it matters to anyone, as junky mentioned, is that republic sounds like republican and democracy sounds like democrat and we end up sounding like a bunch of crying babies fighting over something even though we don`t really know why. Not that anyone here is doing that, mind you, but I`ve heard about this "issue" being bandied about by the Glenn Becks of the world and wondered why it mattered. Thanks for the info.
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Male 1,610
auburnjunky: "I`m positive they will teach the students about the separation of church and state. It`s the whole reason we started this nation."

The concept of separation of church and state is what they are excluding, but lets just have faith that teachers will still teach it....thats your argument? I don`t want to throw around insults but stupid is the only appropriate response to that that comes to mind. Telling someone a particular religion is good or bad is forming their beliefs for them. That is unethical and insulting to people of other religious beliefs. And this nation was not "started" to separate church and state, if anything it was created to allow freedom and opportunity, which you are arguing against.
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Male 10,338
Not many people know this one.

I believe in the United States of America, as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.
— William Tyler Page, The American`s Creed
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Male 10,338
crap. no html.
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Male 10,338
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America;

and to the <b>REPUBLIC</b> for which it stands.

One nation <b>UNDER GOD</b> (statement approved by the supreme court), indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (metallica`s greatest album lol)
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Male 10,338
Guaranteed by whom, as per the Constitution?

GOD!
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Male 50
Something needs to change because both parties are SOOO corrupt.

True Democracy = mob rule.

In a TRUE democracy, if 51% of people say you should sacrifice your first born child, it would be law. Not the kind of place Id want to live in.

The whole point of a constitution is ANTI democracy. It says "I dont give a damn HOW many people think such and such, this is a GUARANTEED right."
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Male 2,440
[quote]I`d rather be an idiot, than a waste of space. I told your mom you were a mistake, but she wouldn`t listen. I said she should have had the abortion, but she`s pro-life so there`s no talking to that one.[/quote]


Non-sequitur alert. Thanks for showing your ignorance of how to have a discussion.

[quote]All kidding aside, don`t get angry or flame people for their opinion. "So help me God" is not "written" on the oath, but it has become the last line. For 230 years, it has been said, without fail. It would be a major coup if it was forgotten. That is all. All my opinion, but WE DON`T KNOW because IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED.[/quote]

You thinking that the president would be forced to retake the oath if "So help me God" was left out is your opinion, BUT YOU ARE WRONG. The facts are against you. "So help me God" is not required by the Constitution and it has NOT been leagally added to the Constitution. YOU FAIL.
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Male 9
Previous post: "abroad" should be "a broad (brush)", of course.
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Male 9
"Libertarians - Prone to making "paint with abroad brush" statements about other political parties. Believe everyone else is wrong and they are right. Not unlike many religions..."
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Male 10,338
andrew, I admit I over-simplified.

Democracy: The term is derived from the Greek:(d&#275;mokratía) "rule of the people",[1] which was coined from(dêmos) "people" and(krátos) "power". government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

We don`t have a free electoral system. Some states have more electorates than others. This is a Representative Republic.
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Male 50
When you vote "democrat" or "republican" youre simply voting on whether you want to get punched with a left hook or a right hook.

Why must everyone be categorized? I dont think George Washington would have agreed with political parties.
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Male 50
I am a conservative libertarian. I believe any school should be able to teach what it wants to and if you don`t like what the school teaches, you should have the option to send your child elsewhere, not be forced to go to a single school.

I dont agree with public schools. I dont like the idea of a government leading education because you know that it is going to be biased to be pro government.

And our kids shouldnt be brainwashed into thinking the government is so great, because Democrats AND republicans continuously prove otherwise.

Its 2010. If you STILL label yourself "democrat" or "republican" then youre just trying to get on the bandwagon and need to be an individual. Neither party is worth a damn.

Democrats- Try to distribute your wealth and take a cut out of it, and try to give more power to the government because "It isnt fair and everyone should live the same"

Republicans- Take away your rights "
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Male 9
KEZEF gets a pass...he can post whatever he wants to even if he is under the 27 year old threshold. Cuz` he am smart!
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Male 10,338
I`d rather be an idiot, than a waste of space. I told your mom you were a mistake, but she wouldn`t listen. I said she should have had the abortion, but she`s pro-life so there`s no talking to that one.

All kidding aside, don`t get angry or flame people for their opinion. "So help me God" is not "written" on the oath, but it has become the last line. For 230 years, it has been said, without fail. It would be a major coup if it was forgotten. That is all. All my opinion, but WE DON`T KNOW because IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED.
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Male 50
Saw what you did, yeah, thought this was a bit of a leap in logic:

"Democracy: Mob Rule"

I only took a couple of polisci classes in college, and that was some time ago. I`m not an expert. But would you call any country`s current political alignment a democracy? "Mob rule" is, I think, a bit dramatic. Is Democracy the new bad word, taking the place of liberal, progressive, social, etc., all of which at one point connoted "good for a society of human beings"? Controlling both language and information--scary.
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Male 14
wouldn`t it be great if there was a place you could send your kids to learn about god and creationism...like maybe they could meet on sunday like kinda in a school setting... or hey how about some sort of camp where they could learn that stuff too? but maybe that`s too much to ask kinda like assuming the parents would sit down and teach their own kids stuff about their religion.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Maybe or maybe not pooptart. We don`t know because it has never happened. heh.[/quote]

auburnjunky, congrats, you`ve been added to my list.

If the president did NOT include "So help me God" at the end, NOTHING in the law requires him to retake the oath since he hasn`t left out anything that was put in the Constitution.

You are an idiot, sir. GOOD DAY.
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Male 3,255
@auburnjunky

Well lets prey that someday soon it does.
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Male 10,338
Maybe or maybe not pooptart. We don`t know because it has never happened. heh.
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Male 3,255
What the drat was the point of putting robots on mars if we are just gonna start heading back to the dark ages anyway?

I love America, but I`ve drating had it with Americans.
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Male 4,014
The irony is that good ol` "keep the government out of my business" conservatives have no beef with the enlightenment - enlightenment said the individual was primary!

However, what we *really* have going on here is an evangelical Christian view of history that seeks to ignore enlightenment thinking, which, afterall, would leave a person to their own conscious, and would say that if reason leads to disbelief in God, then thats ok.
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Male 2,440
[quote]I was over it. I am the one that suggested we move on. It would be MAJOR if a new president did not say the line, and there would be a call for that person to re-recite it. MOVING ON.[/quote]

auburnjunky, maybe fundy f*cktards would want the president to include "So help me God," but it is definitely NOT required by law. He would not be forced to include it at the end.
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Male 10,338
Republic: Representatives are elected by the people to represent them.

Democracy: Mob rule.

That is why.

Democracy is a keyword in the media, because most Americans understand that word better than republic. Also, MOST of the media is liberal leaning and the word "republic" is too close to "republican", so they use "democracy" even though it is awfully close to "democrat".

cwhutididthar?
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Male 9
When I`m elected emperor of the US I`ll propose a rule...(wait...I`d be EMPEROR - I wouldn`t have to propose anything. I`ll simply enact the rule!)that prohibits anyone between 17 and, oh, say 27 from posting anything on line - be it their opinions or something that they think they got from their book lernin` - that has to do with interpretation of history/historical facts, anything "political" or religion-based. You need that 10 years or so of life experience after you gradulate from high school to form an actual, worthwhile opinion and then be able to share it in an adult educated manner. I`d also institute a mandatory course in "Passionate Discourse Coupled with Respectful Disagreement". Why that window of silence?? Just go back and read some (most) of the blather that these 18-20-somethings typically post. I mean, seriously?? No ever listens/takes to heart anything from someone under 17 so no worries there...
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Male 2,440
[quote]Agreed spitfire, but why does it have to be one or the other? Why can`t we teach intelligent design? That way, we can teach both truths. God created all things, and they have evolved into current form.[/quote]

auburnjunky, 1) God is not science. You cannot measure God. Cannot take a sample. Cannot test God. Cannot even take a photo. One can believe that God has a hand in evolution so long as one understands that the God part of their idea is not science.
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Female 71
see first post below the one you replied to
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Male 4,014
Let me take back my "white supremacist" comment - I go over the top sometimes, and I apologize.

However, it was an argument of white supremacists of the time that "noble savages" were less than civilized people, and thus not deserving of the treatment given to whites.

I guess my basic point is that this is sympomatic of some convervative views that say any criticism of America is unpatriotic. Liberals say you have to understand where you were to understand where you are going.

Example: They LOVE to say - We were founded as a Christian Nation!

If thats true, then being a Christian means being a fricken` slave driver, as the founders were all about owning and selling people.

I agree Auburn - teach it all - but this particular effort cherry picks conservative views of history to the active exclusion of viewpoints they disagree with.

Ignoring the influence of the enlightenment on the founding is the most egregious
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Male 10,338
I was over it. I am the one that suggested we move on. It would be MAJOR if a new president did not say the line, and there would be a call for that person to re-recite it. MOVING ON.
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Male 50
You can`t be a Republic that makes decisions democratically? Why are these two distinctions mutually exclusive? What I understand the USA to be is a representative democracy: we vote for our lawmakers, democratically, and they represent us. How exactly is that not a democracy? If we`re not a democracy, why were all the hawks so excited about "democratizing" the Middle East? And anyhow, arguing about what the founding fathers intended for the USA is counterproductive. Person 1 will use his quotes, Person 2 will us hers, and they`ll probably both decontextualize them, likely by accident. How about, instead, we look at what people are doing NOW to control information given to children,right or wrong, and start questioning their motivations: the desire to control information is a hallmark of fascist movements. Not trying to label these people, but the action itself screams of intellectual repression.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Name ONE president who has not said "So help me God" after he recites the oath.[/quote]

auburnjunky, whether a president choses to say "So help me God" at the end of the oath is not the issue. YOU stated:

[quote]I would say that they would have to redo the oath, because it[/quote](So help me God)[quote] is THE LAST LINE OF IT![/quote]

auburnjunky, "So help me God" is NOT the end of the oath as put in the Constitution. If a president wants to, the president can, but it`s NOT required. YOU FAIL. Get over it.
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Male 10,338
Agreed spitfire, but why does it have to be one or the other? Why can`t we teach intelligent design? That way, we can teach both truths. God created all things, and they have evolved into current form.
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Female 71
they want to teach it as if it`s an optional fact? As if creationism is as much a fact as evolution? Ridiculous.
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Female 71
Creationism cannot be taught because once you start teaching the ideals of one belief system, you have to teach all of them. Maybe they`re defending this with the fact that it`s more of a part of our heritage, but that is not the world we live in today. Foot in the door, stepping stone, whatever you want to call it, introducing a belief system into public education is simply inefficient and a waste of the faculty`s and the students` time. Sure, social studies taught in the US have and always will be slanted towards the glorification of the US, but this is such a deliberate setback in forward thinking among the general population I can`t even believe it has been passed, even if this is in Texas. Evolution is a LAW. It always happens, it is observable in nature at any time. Anyone can observe the evolution of a bacterial species because their reproductive rates are so high. Evolution is observable in people, but at a slower rate because of how long it takes us to reproduce. It is a law,
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Male 10,338
We are getting off topic. teach it all.
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Male 10,338
Name ONE president who has not said "So help me God" after he recites the oath.

"auburnjunky, put your tail between your legs and get off the internet."
Stop being confrontational. Debate like a normal person, or die and stop taking up all the air for the people that matter.
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Male 2,440
[quote]No pooptart. I would say that they would have to redo the oath, because it is THE LAST LINE OF IT![/quote]

Really, auburnjunky? REALLY? The following is taken directly from the US Constitution:

[quote]Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."[/quote]

auburnjunky, put your tail between your legs and get off the internet.
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Male 10,338
War is hell. I don`t expect anyone to understand it fully, especially a tree huggin` liberal hehehe.

Enemy: Please don`t shoot me! I have kids at home!
Liberal: Awwww I`m sorr-BANG!
Enemy: Idiot.
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Male 50
Of course america was racist against japan during WW2 btw. THEY WERE OUR ENEMIES.

In war you need to be able to kill at the drop of a dime correct? You dont want to hesitate and get your battle buddies killed right? Well if you emphathize with the enemy, you will hesitate.

My native american ancestors did that. Did you know many Native american tribes mean simply "The People"? Basically saying that their tribe are people and everyone else are sub human. Why do they do this? Because when youre fighting someone, its easier to fight if you make them "sub human"

Japanese were racist against whites during WW2 aswell. Do I blame them? Hell no. They had to be.
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Male 10,338
"History is written by the victors."
- Winston Churchill

It shouldn`t be any other way. Respect should be paid to a worthy adversary though. TEACH IT ALL!
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Female 2,509
"SO - White settlers could utilize the land more efficiently than the "natives," thus they deserved to be killed so that we could forcefully remove them so we can farm. "

ummmm, doesn`t that pretty much sum up all of history? The strong (notice I didn`t say righteous) take over the weak. Civilizations fall, life goes on.

To repost myself...

"History is written by the victors."
- Winston Churchill
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry. I`m not saing what they did was right, I`m just saying, teach it all. Ignorant Americans were racist against Japanese, Italians, Germans, etc. There was also a lot of racism against Arabs as a whole after 9-11. A person is smart, people are DUMB!
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Male 273
I-A-B stop being liberal pussies
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Male 50
SO - White settlers could utilize the land more efficiently than the "natives," thus they deserved to be killed so that we could forcefully remove them so we can farm.

No, what im saying is, there were more whites per acre than indians, and since whites needed less land in order to survive, they flourished while native americans starved to death. It wasnt so much a massacre as being pushed out. Noone EVER moves into land thats totally unoccupied. Remember the Jews in the bible, going into the holy land? They didnt move into an uninhabited place. They had to TAKE it.

The whites coming to america was just inevitable. Europe wouldve been over populated sooner or later.

How am I a racist when im 1/6 native american?
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Male 10,338
No pooptart. I would say that they would have to redo the oath, because it is THE LAST LINE OF IT!
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Male 2,440
[quote]@Goaliejerry: So THAT`S the reason that whenever someone who takes a job in the US Govt. finishes his/her oath with SO HELP ME GOD?! GEORGE FRIKKIN` WASHINGTON HIMSELF said this upon his inauguration.[/quote]

auburnjunky, do you honestly think "So help me God" is officially in the presidential oath? If a man said "So help me Joe Pesci" does that mean the United States was based on Pesci?
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Male 4,014
"an enternment camp was a cakewalk as compared to, say, a CONCENTRATION CAMP"

Yeah, being rounded up into desert cities was a breeze! So too was having your property taken by the government and your neighbors when you left, and then when you were let out you had NOTHING. Further, there is well documented incidences of racism against the Japanese, so why ignore facts?

Go ahead, teach about all WWII internments. But don`t ignore the ugly parts of our history to trumpet B.S. that this country was founded on Judeochristian ideals.

The country was founded BY Christians using ENLIGHTENMENT ideals of the separation of church and state. Jesus....
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry: I would say he is the "definition" lol.
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Male 4,014
You`re the definition of a white-supremacist and you don`t even realize it.

"What hurt native americans more than anything was their inefficiency. A native american needed much more land in order to survive. native americans weren`t wiped out by violence, but more by being pushed out due to competition for food and land."

SO - White settlers could utilize the land more efficiently than the "natives," thus they deserved to be killed so that we could forcefully remove them so we can farm.

"Actually white men coexisted with many Native American tribes peacefully (Wampanoags, Mohicans). And they had conflicts with others"

Yeah, the French and the British did ally with various tribes to kill each other, but following french withdrawl, cooperation ceased and white people began killing them.

Sorry, but understanding documented FACTS doesn`t make one brainwashed. Ignoring documented facts, however, might be.
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Male 10,338
@Goaliejerry: So THAT`S the reason that whenever someone who takes a job in the US Govt. finishes his/her oath with SO HELP ME GOD?! GEORGE FRIKKIN` WASHINGTON HIMSELF said this upon his inauguration.
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Male 12
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article /texas-removes-thomas-jefferson-from- teaching-standard/19397481
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Read more into what they are taking out and putting in before you say it`s "balanced."

It`s bullpoo is what it is. Not that the standard of education in Texas was worth much before these changes... but seriously...

RIP: Thomas Jefferson.
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Male 2,440
[quote]@brassbull: We are a nation found on CHRISTIAN beliefs.[/quote]

auburnjunky, ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"

(btw I am neither a liberal nor a conservative)
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Male 10,338
@goaliejerry: Was the hatred directed at JAPANESE people or ASIANS? We enterned JAPANESE people, so that`s not racism. We, as a country, were enemies of JAPAN.

Also, an enternment camp was a cakewalk as compared to, say, a CONCENTRATION CAMP or a GULAG. Both of which were going on in Europe. e were protecting our country from the inside. I`m not going to say it was right, but it was all we knew at the time.
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Male 4,014
"We are a nation found on CHRISTIAN beliefs."

Yeah, look how Christian this is. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The problem with people like you who like to point out the fact that America was founded as a "Christian" country fail to also point out that the Protestants were widely anti-Catholic, in DIRECT VIOLATION of the free exercise clause.

" but not highlight the philosophical rationale for the separation of church and state"

AGAIN - the second part is the problem, because it ignores well documented TRUE FACTS. This country was founded on ENLIGHTENMENT IDEAS ABOUT FREEDOM OF CONSCIOUS.

So the "Christian" composition of the early republic is a fact, but to teach that to the exclusion of the TRUE FACT that the Republic was founded on notions of freedom of conscious - i.e., you don`t have to be a Christian to be
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Male 10,338
@Randomness: Most Christians don`t hate science. More than a few of us are more "intelligent design" than "creationist". Lots of us believe in evolution. There are fossils for god`s sakes! Let`s not lump groups of people together mmmmkay?
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Male 50
I hope this kind of thing doesn`t continue :( I`m a liberal, atheist, scientist, so that`s three strikes against me in their book. I`m just depressed now. I wish people in this country we`re so ignorant about so many things. Also, why do conservatives/christians hate science?

Im a christian AND i believe in evolution. Religion and science cannot prove or disprove each other.

Why shouldnt BOTH views be taught? Why only what YOU believe? I think creation AND evolution should be taught, and I dont believe in creation science. I think that all views should be taught and children should decide. Thats how you get away from indoctrination. I would teach a view I dont believe in because everyone should decide for themselves. When you only teach one view, youre not giving them the option to choose. Doesnt everyone deserve that right?
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Male 50
They have us celebrating a holiday where pilgrims were taught how to survive in their land by Indians, then the pilgrims kill them in return.

Actually white men coexisted with many Native American tribes peacefully (Wampanoags, Mohicans). And they had conflicts with others.

I dont blame you though. Youve been brainwashed by the Anti-Caucasian education system. Truth is, no race is bad. Whites, blacks, native americans, etc are all EQUAL. I have plenty of native american in me (look at my profile picture, it should be obvious), but white men aren`t (bad). Oh and by the way, everyone says white men took the Native Americans land, do you think native americans have ALWAYS lived in the US? They emigrated here as well.

What hurt native americans more than anything was their inefficiency. A native american needed much more land in order to survive. native americans weren`t wiped out by violence, but more by being pushed out due to competition for food and land.
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Female 280
" Just because it isn`t "required teaching" doesn`t mean it won`t be taught." That`s exactly what it means. You haven`t been in public school in a while huh? If it isn`t required, it isn`t taught. Not enough time
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Female 280
I hope this kind of thing doesn`t continue :( I`m a liberal, atheist, scientist, so that`s three strikes against me in their book. I`m just depressed now. I wish people in this country we`re so ignorant about so many things. Also, why do conservatives/christians hate science?
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Male 4,014
"# Specifies that Germans and Italians were interned in the United States as well as the Japanese during World War II, to counter the idea that the internment of Japanese was motivated by racism."

This would be fine if not for the fact that it is motivated to "COUNTER" a TRUE FACT of racism against Japanese.

This is a blatent attempt to rewrite history, thats the problem. To IGNORE the FACT of American Racist views towards the Japanese during WWII is pure rightwing propoganda.

The PROBLEM with the Japanese internment was (1) its scale, and (2) the fact that these were American Citizens, and (3) THERE WAS BLATANT RACISM AGAINST JAPANESE FOLLOWING PEARL HARBOR.

To say otherwise is to whitewash history.

Its fine to note that all sorts of American citizens were interned in violation of their constitutional rights during WWII, but to ignore the PROVEN fact that many Americans held racist views towards the Japanese is revisi
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Male 10,338
@brassbull: We are a nation found on CHRISTIAN beliefs. Until the teachers actually tell the students that not being Christian is bad, then I don`t see the problem.

I`m positive they will teach the students about the separation of church and state. It`s the whole reason we started this nation. Just because it isn`t "required teaching" doesn`t mean it won`t be taught. The fact that this government was founded on Christian beliefs SHOULD be required teaching.
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Male 4,593
I`m beginning to think that Texas has more crackpot wackos than Florida.
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Male 764
U.S. History is has always been pooty.... and now it just got pootier.

They have us celebrating a holiday where pilgrims were taught how to survive in their land by Indians, then the pilgrims kill them in return.

Then let`s not forget how they had us thinking Columbus "discovered" America.

Only solution is to encourage your kids to find out all the facts themselves and piece together own truths based from the "facts".
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Male 50
This makes me frustrated.... now there is going to be a texan generation of brainwashed people.

Or maybe the whole united states has been full of brainwashed people for 50 years and now times are starting to turn. That explains the 1.1m Tea Partiers at the Capitol building.

YAY Go socialized medicine! Lets reward doing nothing and penalize people who actually work for a living! Im sure thatll work!
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Male 1,610
Auburnjunky:
* "required to cover the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation`s Founding Fathers, but not highlight the philosophical rationale for the separation of church and state." - this is being selective about history to serve a political puropose. This can and will lead to ignorance concerning a number of issues, such as why it is inappropriate for anyone to teach religion in science classrooms. Creationists have been trying to push that agenda, failing miserably for years, and this is sounds like their new strategy: to indoctrinate as many people as possible with exclusive views of history so they will grow up with the same political agenda and biased belief system. I agree with whoever said both sides of the political spectrum are helping to destroy this country, but this makes me sick to my stomach.
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Male 10,338
All of the things they add were truths yomomma.
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Male 2,796
If you don`t think we are a Republic, just recite the Pledge of Alegiance and maybe you will figure it out.

"...the Republic we stand..."
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Male 131
This makes me frustrated.... now there is going to be a texan generation of brainwashed people.
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Male 10,338
Is today opposite day on IAB? I mean seriously. C`mon. Look at all these smart people posting!
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Male 50
# Replaces "democratic" in references to the form of U.S. government with "constitutional republic."
-Everyone loves Political correctness, and this is more "correct"
# In addition to learning the Bill of Rights, the board specifies a reference to the Second Amendment right to bear arms in a section about citizenship in a U.S. government class.
-Considering this is the right that KEEPS us free, I think its pretty important.

# Requires economics students to "analyze the decline of the U.S. dollar including abandonment of the gold standard."
-Maybe if more people studied WHY our dollar sucks (Horrible government spending on totally stupid stuff like "Pig odor research", and we left fiat money and went back to money that actually HAS value, and not just "guaranteed" by the government (I mean who trusts the government anyway? Democrats AND republicans, I don`t trust any of them.
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Female 280
This makes me angry... then really sad because there`s nothing I can do about the declining value of an American education. I`ll just be over in that corner crying if anyone needs me...
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Male 10,855
The United States is actually a constitutional republic but those don`t know damn thing about what it means to be in one.
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Male 50
Whats wrong with these ideas? I rather like them.
# In teaching about the civil rights movement, students must learn about the violent philosophy of the Black Panthers in addition to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.`s nonviolent approach.
-This is less racist actually. Because it doesn`t paint whites as "bad" and black people as "good". There are always good and bad people on both sides.
# Specifies that Germans and Italians were interned in the United States as well as the Japanese during World War II, to counter the idea that the internment of Japanese was motivated by racism.
-Whats wrong with this? Are you hateful to the Italians and Germans and think they should be ignored?

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Male 1,106
So, what would the flip side of this be? Pretend that Christianity wasn`t an influence on the founding fathers? Call our constitutional republic a democracy? I didn`t see anything in here that is trying to rewrite history.
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Male 10,338
OMG people with BRAINS! I used to being flamed anytime I post!

I`m starting to like IAB even more!
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Male 330
Um. What`s wrong with learning about the decline of the dollar, the abandonment of the gold standard, or calling it a constitutional republic? A Democracy is direct rule by the people and a democracy has never existed. We ARE a republic.


Anyway, why wouldn`t you teach both sides of the issue. People in academia are always talking about how you should embrace everything and be open, but of course being open doesn`t apply to learning about creationism.

Anyway, NOT mentioning the religious undertones that our government was founded on is rewriting history, not the other way around.
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Male 2,345
anyone that wants to email the idiot in charge of all this racist far right crap can email her here

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Male 599
"Starting to think that the God Squad is really, really terrifying. Why would they want to eliminate our status as a democracy?"
The United States is not, nor ever has been, a democracy. Our country was founded as a Democratic Republic, though due to the work of liberals is fast heading toward Socialist.
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Male 10,338
News in America is NEVER unbiased.
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Male 1,013
Murderous Insucure Megolomaniacal Deity FTW!!!
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Male 2,345
Texas = Dangerous, Racist state that never should have been allowed in the Union.

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Male 425
just.... wow.... here all ecucation and news ect.. is set out to be non biased, but this is just... wow...
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Male 10,338
# In teaching about the civil rights movement, students must learn about the violent philosophy of the Black Panthers in addition to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.`s nonviolent approach.

# Specifies that Germans and Italians were interned in the United States as well as the Japanese during World War II, to counter the idea that the internment of Japanese was motivated by racism.

# Requires that the history of McCarthyism include "how the later release of the Venona papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government." The Venona papers were transcripts of some 3,000 communications between the Soviet Union and its agents in the United States.

# In sociology, requires the teaching of "the importance of personal responsibility for life choices" in a section on teen suicide, dating violence, sexuality, drug use and eating disorders.

These are all truth and good things. What`s the problem?
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Male 10,338
Some highlights of new social studies standards adopted by the Texas State Board of Education:

# Replaces "democratic" in references to the form of U.S. government with "constitutional republic."

# In addition to learning the Bill of Rights, the board specifies a reference to the Second Amendment right to bear arms in a section about citizenship in a U.S. government class.

# Requires economics students to "analyze the decline of the U.S. dollar including abandonment of the gold standard."

# Ensures that students learn about "the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association."

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Male 10,338
I`ve read it 6 times, and other than "liberal" MSNBC`s wording of the article to make the Texas BOE sound evil, I can`t find anything wrong.
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Female 1,677
Should they be drones for the liberal movement instead?
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Female 108
we need to protest this crap. is there anything we can do about this? I don`t want a generation of "educated" kids to become drones for the conservative movement. this is terrifying.
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Male 102
"We have manipulated strands to insert what we want it to be in the document, regardless as to whether or not it`s appropriate."

Right, but...uh...well...I have nothing to add.
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Male 50
Starting to think that the God Squad is really, really terrifying. Why would they want to eliminate our status as a democracy? And yes, it`s the wingnuts from both the left and right that are screwing everything up, but the difference to me seems to be that the crazies on the right don`t even care about the world; they`re more interested in a rapture and the afterlife. Sorry, but that`s a little more frightening than wanting to spend lots of money on social problems.
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Male 292
Wow. Thats really sad.
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Male 4,290
It`s strange that the article mentions evolution at the start, because I can`t find any reference to it anywhere in the actual article. As far as I can make out, they didn`t actually vote on evolution at all.
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Male 126
i cant wait to see what idiots attempt to defend this. how can you not study institutional racism if your a sociology student? the left and the right are screwing up this country its not just one side or the other
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Female 204
As long as we can fix the brainwashing at home, and take the time to do so, I think they`ll be okay.
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Male 2,440
Link: Conservative Idiots Screw With Texas Education [Rate Link] - They voted to teach about `America`s Christian heritage` and the `weaknesses` of evolution.
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