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Date: 03/25/10 07:00 AM

106 Responses to Another Ignorant Video Game Debate

  1. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 24, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Link: Another Ignorant Video Game Debate - Are violent video games corrupting kids? (Fun fact: the woman in this clip did voice acting for a violent video game!)
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    pui Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:06 am
    Video games are not just for kids, when will people get this?
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:14 am
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    Mindfreak11 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:21 am
    I have felt like the one in guy in this video many times before. People who think Video Games corrupt kids are completely ignorant. They think the main reason people play violent video games is for the violence. Who would play Modern Warfare 2 if the airport shootout scene was not in there? Probably everyone who plays it now. How many would play it without a Multiplayer concept? Significantly less. Gameplay is a major role, and I think violence is used in a way to deepen the plot and story line in a way that gets emotion out of role character. God of War is a great example. Krotos kills because he is vengful for a death he had to experience, not because he thinks violence is cool.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:21 am
    I agree with the woman 100%. and by 100% i mean she shouldnt breed and should just be quiet.
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:25 am
    at this point I like to say that if videogames like pac man would have influenced children, we would moving around in dark rooms now, listening to electronic music and eating pills trying to escape strange ghosts!
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:27 am
    There was an episode of Penn and Teller`s "Bull$hit" that addressed this issue. They took this teenage kid that loved violent video games and took him out to a shooting range where, under the care of a trained professional, the boy was allowed to shoot an assault rifle. It scared the kid so much he started crying. It`s nonsense to think children, teens, and adults can`t differentiate between fantasy and reality....unless (of course) they’re schizophrenic.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:29 am
    I hate people who don`t want to take responsibility."WAH VIDEO GAMES ARE CORRUPTING MY BABIES" "... uhm, why are you letting your 5 year old play Grand Theft Auto?"

    Seriously. You wouldn`t let your kids watch a violent movie, and yet violent movies exist. Why would you let a child play a violent video game instead of the many kid-suitable ones? If you think the game is too violent DON`T BUY IT. Those games are for ADULTS.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:40 am
    Studies have shown that the levels of rape have decreased in countries after legalising pornography.

    Studies have also shown that criminal levels have lowered in countries that allow drug use and prostitution.

    I bet you could also find correlations in allowing violent films and video games and actual violence.

    Give people a bit of freedom and they tend to act more responsibly.
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:45 am
    i love how shows and crap do that. they have 2 anti-game people on (plus the host and the entire crowd) vs one guy. i think the anti-game guy was fairly moderate although his one complaint was made completely moot by the fact that games have ratings and explanations for the ratings right on the boxes. the woman is just a prissy whining little bitch whose completely retarded. she says shes against any violence as a form of entertainment but she has nothing against violent movies because theyre not as addictive/appealing as video games according to her.

    plain and simple: you wouldnt let your kids watch an R rated movie then dont let them play M rated games. there are rules in place to keep them from buying M rated games just like there is for R rated movies. you can keep them from playing M rated games you own the same way you can keep them from playing R rated movies you own: locking them up, hiding them, parental locks.... the only ones who have a problem with games are bad pa
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:46 am
    the only ones who have a problem with games are bad parents that either cannot or for some reason choose not to control what their kids watch or do
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:46 am
    Oh dear- the children are playing cowboys and indians with bows and arrows. Note the high rate of crossbow related violence in society. Hmmm- didn`t wash then, doesn`t wash now.
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    GZas Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:50 am
    This program was pointless, video games can`t be stopped, no matter what those idiots say, it`s to much of an industry.

    One time, when I was working in a media store, a mother came in to buy his 6 year old Soldier of Fortune 2, because "he could play it without her help, and she could get to work in peace". She will probably blame the video game if he does something stupid in the future, completely ignoring the fact, that she haven`t spend any time with him.

    But then again, I was ripping heads and hearts in MK1 in pre-school, and im alright. i think
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:58 am
    My mom took away my GTA game when I was little. ;-;

    But she gave it back a few weeks later and I`m happy to say that I have never assaulted/carjacked/got my stars up at any point in my life so far. So hah, weird lady, I was playing that when I was seven, and I turned out just fine.

    But in all seriousness, I agree with... well pretty much everyone else posting here. Games have ratings for a reason. If you as a parent buy your kid a violent video game and then use it as a scapegoat when they get in trouble (and really, what teenage kid ISN`T going to get in trouble at least a few times?), you`re just pawning off the blame to hide the fact that you failed as a parent.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 7:58 am
    My favourite part of this video is 6:16, when Julie Peasgood says "I am categorically against violence as entertainment. It is just wrong."

    Especially since she was a voice actor for a character in the 2000 survival horror game Martian Gothic: Unification, which carries the ESRB rating Mature (17+) and contains graphic violence and apparently cannibalism.
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    fknloser Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:20 am
    The main thing is, there is no "proven link" to real world violence. A psycho kid was already psycho before he played any game. These games actually do a better job keeping violence OFF the streets and curbs a childs violent tenure before he actually acts upon such emotions. Otherwise if parents are not responsible enough to control thier children, don`t blame the children !! Nothing else needs to be said. period
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    KeePay Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:24 am
    Why is the audience applauding this woman? Is it full of 60 year old grandmothers or something?
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    ICanHasWin Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:42 am
    Yeah, Alan Titchmarsh is a mean person anyway.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:45 am
    that was sad. they completely teamed up against the guy. he was in a no win situation.

    i`ve played videogames my entire life and i`m very non-violent. if anything, videogames are whats keeping me from going off on people.
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    Plague555 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:47 am
    Being a hardcore gamer myself, i like to go around with a 9mm in my pocket and steal random cars while gaining stars to attract attention. Every now and then i pretend I hit a checkpoint so if I die, I will just respawn. Occasionally I`ll trade in my xp points for higher skills. /sarcasm
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:52 am
    The issue is with parents that let their kids play violent video games and watch violent movies.

    Games and movies have ratings on them. As a parent, you should follow that recommendation. If you don`t, it`s the parent`s fault. Not the video game or video game company`s fault.
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    Xenophonix Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 8:58 am
    I love how the guy defending games smiles at the woman as if to say "you are the most ignorant person I have ever met" LOL
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:02 am
    Interesting discussion here. I`d have to say I`m with the guy on this. Its enough to have a rating system and not sell M rated stuff to minors, and this should be good enough for everyone. If you let your kids watch R rated movies or play M rated games, you`re just a bad parent - its got nothing to do with the industry.

    The way I see it the woman`s position is undefendable "I`m against violence in entertainment", well violence is everywhere in entertainment, this woman is basically against most entertainment.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:12 am
    Violence it what makes a majority of entertainment. Get rid of it and you will lose gamers and movie watchers.. Be responsible for your own actions stop trying to find things to blame your problems on.
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    TheeSherm Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:18 am
    Man, I think my dilemma here is that Video Games don`t have a "Thank You For Smoking" style charismatic spokesperson. This guy is totally correct in what he`s saying, but these guys are pushing him around like, well, a video game nerd.

    How can I get a job as Spokesperson for the Forwarding of the Video Gaming Agenda?
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:22 am
    Typical cheep tactic for show ratings. Stick to the side the crowds on to keep them happy while the host plays devil`s advocate. The man knew what he was getting himself into, that`s why he is smiling to himself about it.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:24 am
    Incidentally, my gaming community has had enough of this kind of blatantly biased prgramming. We`ve started a petition to get a public apology from The Alan Titchmarsh Show, and we`re trying to spread it around the gaming community.

    So if you`re a gamer and you were as annoyed about this programme as I was, or even if you`re not a gamer, sign our petition.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:29 am
    Videogames are just a waste of money in general =/

    If you let your kids watch R rated movies or play M rated games, you`re just a bad parent - its got nothing to do with the industry.
    Ya know, WonderShowzen or whatever it was called on MTV pretty much said the same thing on the title =p
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    PJRuger Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Hurt Locker is NOT an anti-war film, it`s a character study on the effects of war on people`s lives. Esp, the main character loves being a soldier, maybe Brits don`t understand someone enjoying that but I do. After i play Halo or Battlefield or MW2 I really do find myself wanting to rpg a shortbus or .50 cal a playground of kindergarten children. More sarcasm.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
    I really feel sorry for people that have to go up and defend video games, they get paired and set up with some of the most ignorant people in the world to discuss with.
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:40 am
    I know that games have ratings, but parents just fail and let kids have them anyway. Most of the kids in my school with an Xbox play Call of Duty, even down in Year 7. I just think it`s a bad decision by parents.

    I was in Blockbuster also and some woman had a kid (probably about 8 years old) and was picking out `18` horror movies.

    I think that parents should pay attention to the ratings on video games AND films.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:42 am

    You do realize that making certain things legal would obviously decrease crimes because they are no longer `illegal` activities. It`s a poor argument
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:46 am
    at first i was like CoD 2 WTF? you seriously gunna bring up a game from like 5 years ago? but then i noticed that they meant CoD MW:2, other then that i had no interest in listening to their rantings about gaming...
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:51 am
    wow, the crowd seemed to have already made up there mind from the beginning. also, i hate when people argue that its ruining children. even if it is true (which i do not believe it is), that is not the fault of the publisher or developer, but of the parents who allow their children to play call of duty: modern warfare 2 and others.
    I can tell you from experience that violence in any entertainment medium does not desensitize people to violence. growing up, my siblings and I and even other children i knew grew up playing violent games, watching violent movies/tv, and listening to violent music, and yes, some of do tend to be of a more violent nature, but some do not. it is all about the the mixture of parenting and genetic predisposition that make you who you are; whether that be ted bundy, ghandi, or someone in between.
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    Finwicket Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 9:59 am
    I wanna falcon punch that hoe
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:05 am
    they deserve a slap
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    pantelisk Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:18 am
    It`s these people who literally make me sick. the only sensical man there was the man defending.
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    eKarnage Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:32 am
    I think video games are a pretty good scapegoat
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    joey7415963 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:32 am
    Lol, just like talking to youre grandad about it!
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Teen violence has been declining since 1994. The number of video games sold with a violent rating has increased in that same time. That is the opposite of what would be expected if violent video game corrupted kids. Also, don`t be fooled into thinking that these trends, in anyway, prove the opposite.

    Simple fact is that TV ratings are not driven by facts, but rather by fear. Violent video games are an easy target of the media and a nice filler for those slow news cycles. The real problem is news outlets that feed off the ignorance of viewers. How can we ever address the real issues of our time if our trusted news sources rarely give us the facts.
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    Axires Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:36 am
    seriosly, if I waas there, I would have literally ran up on stage and punched her in the head. she was completely close-minded about games, the idea that she had in her head was of one of constant violence and that`s completely and utterly incorrect. I mean, sure, there is games out there that a gratiuitously violent, but look at the likes of Pokemon; you don`t see pokemon whipping out guns and shooting innocent cilivians. In wii sports, you don`t see people killing each other! And, I think this was the main point, is that all these systems have parental control systems which allow parents to seal off (so to speak) a certain age certificate of games so that parents are assured that there kids are not playing games that they deem unsuitable. Yet, the whole time while the guy was defending these quotes, that whore was constantly interupting and contradicting him, to an extent that he couldn`t get his point across.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:39 am
    I think one of the problems is that they assume video games are just for kids, so why should they have to check the rating? hurr durr
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    Andicicle Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:43 am
    ugh, yes, I`m sure it was what makes kids violent. we don`t even have Jarts anymore
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    yowereggae Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:45 am
    These people don`t seem to understand the inherent difference between pressing a button on a keypad and picking up a gun and actually shooting someone. All of them except the guy defending need a swift kick in the face but maybe that`s just a result of me playing violent video games.
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    YoMommaSoFat Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:45 am
    I played GTA when I was about 7 and grew up from then playing violent videogames... i`m quite a peaceful person tbh. Its all to do with mental stability and things outside of games what cause violence. Video games are just an excuse for parents who spoil there kids and dont punish them properly so they grow up doing anything they want.
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    radmikey Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:49 am
    That crowd was full of plain fools
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    sbuninja Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 10:57 am
    She seemed to omit the fact that the study she is referring to found they were "more uncaring and aggressive".....WHILE playing the games. This also required MANY LONG periods of play, not shorter intervals recommended by the CDC (i.e. for every 30 minutes, take a 15 min break) and play time within the DEFINED amount of time set for each age. Of course she can persuade a dumb audience- they were convinced on their opinions BEFORE the show.

    Axires is correct about teenage violence decreasing. We hype up our news to focus only on the bad things. Crime is amplified and people are convinced the world is a very dangerous place.

    Bad Guy was completely right- the problem here is a child obtaining a video game and the parent, instead of speaking with the kid and PARENTING, goes out and wages war on those who could supply Little Johnny with it. Never mind the fact your kid is doing something you don`t want them to do. Blame everyone else.

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    sbuninja Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:05 am
    I also wanted to say there is absolutely no definitive link (correlation-wise) that shows an increase in an individual`s delinquency or aggressive tendencies. In other words, in most individuals, except those who may be mentally ill and incorporate the fantasy into reality (i.e. seeing the world as with the same rules as the game), however there are VERY few people in the general population.
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    syke22 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:06 am
    It`s not the games fault, it`s the parents who buy the games for 9 year olds when they`re rated for people 18+
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:12 am
    This cannot be put to blame on the games at all.
    This is all a sad excuse for lousy parents who are too ignorant to admit that they are terrible and raising a child. A video game will not make a child "corrupt", not being a good parent and teaching them good values WILL.
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    IABbrandon Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Male, 13-17, Southern US
    347 Posts Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:06:03 AM

    It`s not the games fault, it`s the parents who buy the games for 9 year olds when they`re rated for people 18+

    i definitely agree. the only way these kids are able to get these games that "corrupt" them is because of the parents. not saying that applies to all kids, but a large majority of them.
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:45 am
    " games promote hatred, racism, sexism and they reward violence. What kind of a message is that?" Video games, alles? How`s that for a generalization. And she gets applause for that? The guy was fighting a losing battle with a flock of sheep like that, no wonder he was verbally stumbling at times.

    At least it`s a comfort to hear sane voices here, it really is the parents, not the video game producers, who are to blame.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 11:45 am
    The host didn`t even know about video game ratings?! How do you have a debate when you haven`t done even the most basic research on the subject matter?

    Games are not "teaching violence to children" because they label the violent games as being for ages 17 and up.

    Parents have to buy those games for their kids, but they could just choose not to. My parents wouldn`t let me play M rated games until I was 15.

    The bigger problem are the mentally unstable people who can`t tell between real and simulated violence and then have access to weapons.
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    sambofry Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    If the study she`s talking about is the one I think it is, they found that yes, playing violent video games does increase violent tendancy`s... in the same way that doing a martial art increases violent tendancy`s, you know, when you`re doing it and for the next 30mins you`re in a hightent state as adrenaline is being pumped round your body. However, after rest there were no changes in violent behaviour. And there are obviously loads of martial arts marters going around karate chopping everyone arent there.

    Gotta love people who dont even know the studies there citing
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Those statistics and facts that woman quotes ignore the fact that the heightened aggression of those kids who play violent video games can just as easily (and more likely) come from poor parenting skills. I mean, only crappy parents would allow young children to play these games... crappy parents = more aggressive children.
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    Nosedigger Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Call of duty 2, modern warfare, left 4 dead 2...

    I chuckled.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Content control lies with the parents. There was a reason I was never allowed to watch South Park or play GTA.

    Who the hell let`s a 5 year play GTA?
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    It has nothing to do with violence in video games. The soccer moms who are against video games should be using the parental controls.
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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    That was one of the best pro-gaming arguments I`ve heard. Games are an art from like movies and books, and they aren`t solely for kids. You`d give a kid Harry Potter. You wouldn`t give a kid a Steven King or Brent Weeks novel.
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    Crap4Brains Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    I wouldn`t be surprised if gaming companies were given money by governments to make COD type games to get the idea of military into kids minds, like a recruitment tool, but i doubt that is true.

    I also like how the gamer guy doesn`t even look the lady in the face. He is too good for her.

    Screw those dumb conservatives, they dont know what they are talking about
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    In my country violent videogames were banned about a month ago. I seriously sucks balls, especially since they consider violent anything not Hello Kitty. And you guys complain about Obama...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    March 25, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    I seriously sucks balls

    VV Sorry I don`t swing that way I got a friend who may be interested though.
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    Kaleotera Female 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    I just have to point out that before the age of 15 I saw just about every horror movie that was out at the time, violence and all, and I turned out just fine. I play violent video games and I don`t have the urge to go out and hack someone up. It all comes to the same thing. I was exposed to violence but I am still a well adjusted adult.

    My 10 year old cousin`s favorite games are the Resident Evil games, but he is a well adjusted 10 year old...who happens to like shooting zombies.

    It isn`t the video games corrupting kids, its the individuals mentality. If you take out all the violent video games and replace them with violent movies people will be apt to blame those instead.

    I wish people would stop complaining that violence in video games are screwing up their something for yourself and don`t rely on the government to censor everything for you. Better yet, seal your kids in a room with only Barney and Dora the explorer for entertainment if you are s
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    "I wouldn`t be surprised if gaming companies were given money by governments to make COD type games to get the idea of military into kids minds, like a recruitment tool, but i doubt that is true. "

    Although to be fair this is made by the military rather than an independent games company.
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    MetalLinx Female 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    its the parents fault for BUYING the video game for them in the first place. its as simple as that
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    March 25, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    I`m catagoricaly against violence as entertainment the ladie in the clip said.

    *insert facepalm*

    Okey guys. im going to introduce you all to something amazing. The Greek invented it a long time ago with their Arena fighting and "bloody realistic" theatrical shows. It actually explains japan. you hear that? what im about to tell you, explains all the crazy stuff coming out of Japan.

    It`s called: The Catharis Theory.
    Catharis litteraly means "purging". Now. the simple explenation is that, By whatching violence and passivly experiencing it, we get to air out our violent thoughts and ideas. but not only violence! also all sorts of craazy, absurd and often perverted thoughts.

    It`s a major part of Japan`s culture. They make oddities and crazy things out on public display. Japan has one of the worlds lowest (i think it`s bottom 5) rape & violent crime rates. or so i`ve heard. atleast is relativly low. So i f
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    Hayllee Female 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    What Kaleotera said, all the way. : )

    I watched and played some... violent games. I guess it`s not so much violence as it is not a kids game. I watched (and sometimes played, man my fingers are trained) tomb raider at the age of two (little blood spits out of EVERYTHING you shoot). After this, my dad didn`t realize at the time I could just as much tell what was happening in Silent Hill. Though these are old, old games they`re still "violent". I sort of continued this trend and am now one of the very few 14 year old girls that can stand the sight of real blood, real guts, real bodily functions, but I don`t want to go shoot my school or whatever people think violent video games do to kids. I think the video games gave me a place more than anything, as I`m at least in some sort of group. I don`t like sports, drama, *grimaces* recycling... club... man, now if you`re in that YOU need something to do, not me...
    Also, RecycleElf,the Romans, not the Greeks. I`m sorry, I
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    Hayllee Female 13-17
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    March 25, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    I said I know I`m annoying to RecycleElf. *grumbles about character limit*
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    xKrazyKoalax Male 18-29
    208 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    I love video games. Violent ones are fun. I`ve never even gotten into a fight. And I`m 18. That`s a lot of peace for this violent gamer. How about some freaking common sense for the world. Lol I did like how that lady was just like "It`s addictive and available!" **Applause* "Yeah, but you can control it, parents can control things, they are designed to prevent children from playing that stuff." "Yeah but they`re addictive and available!" **Applause*
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    shappy Male 18-29
    757 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    1. violent vidio games are not for kids(yes i played them) theres a reason theres a big M slapped on the front
    2.violent games are awesome
    3. F*#&ing HIGS!
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    shappy Male 18-29
    757 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    and i think violent video games calm me down
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    hammock Male 18-29
    20 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    xKrazyKoalax thats because your a scrawny pussy.... probably from the fact that you play video games
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    andfoll132 Male 13-17
    74 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    OMFG, im tired of hearing this.... im ADDICTED to mw2 and im always docile, everywhere, unless im pissed. and i mean PISSED. and it takes quit a lot to piss me off.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    v Modern Warfare 2 rocks. v
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    I love the guy`s facial reaction at 2:12.

    Regardless, I`m not quite sure what tangible consequences there are to letting kids play violent games? Other than the fact they spam the mic with their annoying voices, I believe it`s perfectly fine.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
    716 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Video games are linked to violence... when the kids playing are stupid.

    My overall analogy is this:

    If you expect that when a child is given a violent game they will be violent...

    The when you give a 3 year old a play-doctor kit do you expect them to start doing open heart surgery on the kitchen table?
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    NoxasRisen Male 13-17
    86 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    I agree with some of the points the old guy has, but the lady is, questionably, the dumbest bitch on the planet. The audience was presumably made up of pissed, bitter grandmas.
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    dooflotchie Female 30-39
    336 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    How come no one on this show addressed the REAL issue here? The video game companies and the stores that sell them comply with the laws set out for them- the games are rated for this or that age group according to content and the retailers can`t sell games rated for older teens or adults to kids under a certain age. If they break these laws they`re subject to fines and other legal action, so most retailers who want to stay in business abide by the law and that`s all they can do.

    Why are people expecting the game makers and retailers to teach children what is and is not morally acceptable when it is the job of a PARENT to do that?
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    tastytacos Male 18-29
    13 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    first off i think that the video game guy is not being listened to.
    second as a counter point i`d like to point out that in response to the woman talking about kids who regularly play violent video games showing more aggression, this is correlation not imply causation, either kids who are angrier want to outlet their feelings of anger through violent video games or
    alternatively; parents who don`t care which video games their children play, and thus let them play violent video games, are more likely to have violent children
    as it happens, i don`t necessarily agree with either of the above arguments on their own bases but find it ridiculous when people jump to conclusions that are not based on the facts.
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    JayElDoubleU Male 13-17
    87 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    correlation doesn`t imply causation
  81. Profile photo of Caretta
    Caretta Male 18-29
    540 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    This entire `debate` was utterly worthless.

    First of all, Alan Titchmarsh`s great depth of knowledge ends at potatoes, he absolutely does not have a legitimate opinion on computer games.

    Secondly, the whole show was evidently aimed directly at an audience of elderly, whooping morons whose only experience of computer games consists of vitriolic nonsense in the Daily Mail. The kind of people who clap their flippers whenever they get the chance to be publically enraged about something.

    Incredibly annoying.
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    Real_Deal Male 18-29
    25 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    I like how most of the studies involving the correlation between video games and violence probably have young kids playing the very games that they should not be playing. Not only are the test done horribly since they only focus in one area (kids playing M rated games, instead of different rated games on different age groups), but the results are usually crap or restating the obvious.

    I felt horrible for the gamer dude, since he was in a losing argument against conservative pricks who are easily influenced by the media. The guy was stating ways parents could control the games their children play and in general giving really good advice, only to be brought down by people that probably don`t know what they are saying.
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    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    March 25, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    I defend games and I don`t even play them.

    I have so much on my mind that I just want to GET OUT and SCREAM to that old granny sitting in the middle. go knit a F*ckin scarf or something.

    I`m not reading ANY of the comments. I know deep in my heart that more than a few in this forum have said it all and I`ll just be happy with that.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
    3621 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 12:30 am
    oh, my bad =)
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:57 am
    This debate really boils down to parental responsibility. These games are rated, video game retailers are supposed to restrict the purchase of games like MW2 to those of age, and for the most part do.
    The problem begins when either a parent delegates their responsibility to an xbox, or a ps3 to entertain, and watch their child, or when a parent either will not, or can not take an active role in their child`s activities. Some would argue that this is callous, that not every family can have a stay at home parent to watch the kids. True, but every family is able, nay responsible to teach their children morals, values, and what is right and wrong in our society. With these teachings firmly in place, violent video games can not corrupt.
    And imho, for a game, every time you watch this video, replace the words Video Game with Movies, and you get something that was said when I was a wee lad.(sometime back in the Jurassic Period)
  86. Profile photo of Asticler
    Asticler Male 13-17
    14 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Totally. drating parents need to take more responsibility. And I like how every person in the audience is booing. They are most likely lazy parents. They talked about how parents don`t know about what is in the games, but, everybody drating knows what GTA is about. This is a stupid argument. The same bitches who defend books that inspire killing denounce video games that are for purely entertainment? What a stupid whore.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 5:29 am
    God damn.
    I don`t feel corrupted for playing rated M games but I feel that parents should watch what their kids are playing.(I`m talking about kids under 13)
    It`s not like they can`t see violence or sex or drugs on television
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 5:32 am
    I played f**king Syphon Filter when I was 9. Jesus Christ these people need to f**king stop talking about this.
    And that old bitch should go (i agree with britt566) knit a f**king sweater.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 6:58 am
    v Modern Warfare 2 rocks. v

    Enjoy getting bent over by IW & Activision $15 for two rehashed maps and 3 new ones.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 8:52 am
    Lol @ El Sombrero I think he said it best.
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    Wiggle1111 Male 18-29
    78 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Gotta love the U.K.

    Oh look, something to be outraged about!
    Oh, yes, lets start a campaign of middle aged upper class women against .

    I personally am about to get a bunch of hip 20 somethings together and be outraged by doilies. They offend me with their constant slipping about and not quite serving any purpose!
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    lucu Female 18-29
    176 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    GuardinGnome, same here.
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    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    haha guardiangnome, i loved syphone filter! me and my friend matt would play that against each other for hours! days! then one day his dreamcast broke cuz we overplayed it, no more syphone filter :-(
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    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    cocaine is "addictive and available" but not everyone does it. there are a multitude of games that are not violent, buy these for your 12 year old, not COD Modern Warfare 2.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    7 Mins????? it better be worth this long!
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
    2593 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    Is this the british version of fox?
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
    2593 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    this just reminds me of Jack Thompson. Anyone see the sarcastic gamers parody song on it? Hey Mr. Thompson
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    kiiro_kitsun Female 18-29
    33 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    I have a friend who works at Game Stop. She is required to id every person who appears under the age of 40, AND is required to tell parents buying M rated games for their children (she can usually tell because the child helps to pick it out) why the game is rated M and why its not recommended for children.

    Almost every week she has someone get snooty with her and tell her that they know what`s in the game, or that their child plays it at a friend`s house and it`s fine.

    Somehow, I don`t think that`s the companies` or manufacturers` fault...
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    tp1212 Male 13-17
    299 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    That "scientific study" is a funny one, where the kids more violent and having self esteem issues because they where playing violent games...

    Or where they playing violent games because they where already coping with self esteem issues and being violent. (Due to lacking parental guidance?)

    It`s the chicken and the egg of the 21`st century.
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    tp1212 Male 13-17
    299 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm
    JayElDoubleU: "correlation doesn`t imply causation"

    Example to support your point.
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    17945 Male 18-29
    725 posts
    March 26, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    I just LOVE how they keep ignoring the "These videos games should NOT be getting in the hands of children in the first place." argument and keep jumping to the "violence in children" argument.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
    1185 posts
    March 27, 2010 at 2:48 am
    It`s the same tired argument they make against heavy metal and cartoons. Yes, they all can be influential on a young child, but that`s why we have parents.
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    March 27, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    If all developers stop making violent games, all the "violent game players" are going to murder the game haters. Now would you want that? I don`t think so.
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    gatorade777 Male 18-29
    1194 posts
    March 30, 2010 at 6:50 am
    Sorry I stopped shortly after he said Call of Duty 2. It just foreshadowed a video I would get upset with. It`s call of duty 6 or modern warfare 2. not call of duty 2 modern warfare.
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
    2791 posts
    March 31, 2010 at 8:26 am
    The level she`s talking about is No Russian from Modern Warfare 2. It specifically asks you before you start the game if you wish to skip any material that deems offensive to you. AND, on THAT certain level, you can chose to skip it in the menu. Now about the level, it was made so you would see the difficulties and traumas an agent has to go through during the time of war, and again, you COULD HAVE skipped the level if you found that level of any offense.
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    Numbersup Male 18-29
    12 posts
    April 2, 2010 at 12:36 am
    There shouldn`t even be a debate about video games in my opinion. There should, however, be a debate about whether or not parents are doing their damn jobs. The real "moral plague" in our society isn`t media in any form, it`s the parents that REFUSE to take responsibility for, and raise their own children, and then clamor for anything, just ANYTHING that they can blame their child`s inevitable bad/antisocial behavior on.

    For all the parents out there: video game companies are not a drating daycare service, nor are movie studios, nor are music labels and they are not responsible for making content that you deem suitable for your child. Do your jobs.

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