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No, Furpie selfish men with selfish desires are the reason behind most of the murderous acts of the world the same way your using events that implicate religion to be at fault for the outcome to selfishly justify bashing other peoples beliefs.
THe only difernece is this is a terrible debate and not called for in the name of a god
Vindictive> okay, who threw the first bible? was it you?
JOINT WINNERS, I can`t pick one over the other, both made me LOL.
You were the first person to bring up beatings as a means of conversion, everyone else was relying on logic, references and some inference.
I thought humans were created in God`s image. Does this mean you`re horribly disfigured or have no imagination? :p
Who are you to berate a group of peoples, because they berate you? That makes you just the same. Making generalizations/groupings (I.E. "...you atheists... .") I`d also like to point out, that a fight requires two. So, you cannot act like the peace keeper here, ranting on about they should stop. Every time you reply, you send off another spark into the fire, you keep feeding it. This is just something that you should consider.
And thank you to_kiersten_and eggmaster
My point is that the article was trying to put forth the theory that a society that is heavily based on religious dogma is worse than a society that does not. I`m saying that there are examples that don`t fall into this neatly tied-together theory, therefore the theory needs to be changed. It`s standard scientific methodology.
That`s something all you atheists should stand behind, right? :)
davymid,Israel`s current issues aren`t entirely due to religion. It has more to do with the fact that the current state of Israel was created out of several Arabian countries, displacing thousands of Arabians (and mostly Muslims), even to the extent of wiping out countries like Kurdistan. It`s more along the lines of what Europeans did to the Native Americans in the U.S. than any type of conflict of religion. (cont.)
You are speak from your modern perspective.Before the Renaissance, most of what westerners did creatively had very to do with anything else but Christianity in particular.
If someone was working intellectually on an idea that contradicted the church`s "Earth is the Center of the Universe" theory, they were branded a heretic if they didn`t have friends high in the church.At the same time, the east had already been working on a more realistic solar orbit model for at least 300 years and maybe 1000 years or more.
@GausPaulBible outlawed what?Read Leviticus 20.Compare that with what came out of the mouth of a pageant contestant from Beverly Hills this week. Link
Come on, you don`t really believe this, do you? Religion has certainly been distorted as a tool for control, yes, but that`s not why it was created. Jesus outwardly challenged authority (whether you believe it to be true or not), and encouraged others to do so. Also, those times of manipulating the Bible are over in the western world... Do you know how much a priest gets paid? I am telling you, it is nowhere near enough to be tempting fraud option.
Don`t get into this, most of those people believed in God.
How about because doing exactly that is how we got the enlightenment and the dawn of modern civilisation?
Seriously?? Whatever His name, he is a triune (tri-une = `three in one`) God - God the Father (who walked in the Garden of Eden with A&A), God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit (whom you pray to).
I converted it into "% of total" first, and I also changed it to cases per capita rather than total cases. Feel free to argue for other metrics if you think it`s somehow unfair (it might be, I`ve not put a ton of effort into it).
I`m getting a *slight* correlation against the article, but it is slight enough that it is effectively no correlation at all.
Anyhow. You all have fun here. Hopefully we`ll get a lot accomplished. *chuckles*
I made a funny.
In regards to Numero Uno, I`d like to state my opinion in that it`s not completely useless. Let`s analyze for a bit what Christianity has demonized in today`s society. Murder, theft, disloyalty, dishonesty, indolence, disrespect, adultery, and greed. (Some of the 10 commandments). Does anyone here disagree with any of those? Does anyone think "Well shoot, Christianity was the one who made it so I can`t go around stealing and killing?! Screw this! I`m converting to Atheism!" (Please save all facetious "Yes"`s up your buttholes. Thanks.)
In all honesty, Christianity`s done a good deal for us as a society. Disregarding Davy`s farce of a link (You know damn well that comparing Britain and the US will -always- result in skewed data.), I don`t think anyone can offer sufficient concrete evidence to prove otherwise.
IGA: 800AD to somewhere between 1300 to 1500ADRenaissance: 12th Century then the 14th to 16th centuries.
Thus, the IGA WAS before the Renaissance... if I have to explain how counting works...
You are also making the fallacy, that you are not an non-nice individual by copying the acts of non-nice individuals, especially when it is done in a public forum rather than towards those specifically that offend your delicate sensibilities.
You should argue against those people. When someone cuts me off in traffic I don`t rent out a billboard that says "F*ck You" on my nearest highway. I give *that jackass* the finger.
Anyway... so the sky and a bush and whatnot told us that this guy named jesus was his son and that we should worship his son... and then we did... Imma have a kid and call him jesus and be like "Hail him!" and hopefully things will work out..
(Just joking)...(I am a pretty pretty little girling laugh now)
Oh, you mean like the Egyptian civilizations?or the Greek civilization?you know, the things that actually happened BEFORE the renaissance?true, the Islamic golden aged caused an advancement of those areas, but the scientifically minded advance in science whether there is religion or not.
Though there`s a lot less repression if there isn`t religion.
I`m not arguing that there is causation. I`m arguing that several people have been happy to toss out correlation without causation.
I`m pointing out that you (objectively) lose that fight. You lose it horrendously. It is an embarrassment how horrendously that fight is lost.
1) You do not quietly practice your beliefs. 2) "They" do for the most part. Sure you can point to Westboro Baptist Church (used on IAB to represent Christianity ~10% of the time when they represent just under 0.00001% of it), and go SEE! "THEY" ARE non-nice individualS, WE SHOULD BE non-nice individualS BACK! but you`re talking about a group here smaller than the IAB commenter.
Basically, IAB provides more evidence, better evidence, a greater sample size. You could label Atheism based on the comments on IAB, and be more intellectually honest than using the WBC (who, as I said are 100`000% over-represented on IAB).
So, maybe "You" should look inward a little before commenting on how "They" behave.
2) Davy, your comparable countries are chosen on what metric exactly?
If you want to do honest debate on causes and results, lets do that.
If you all want to just yell out "There are more catholics in prison! Explain!" then 60% of all genocide in the last century is Russia and China.
In a fair fight of "counting the kills" Atheism loses in a massive landslide. 60% of all genocide perpetrated by 15% of the world population.
That`s a ratio of 80 to 9.
If you want a debate, do it. If you want to point a finger at trends, shove it far enough up your ass that it prods the bit of brain that knows stats.
Yet atheists are waaay more persecuted than Christians are, didnt you see the atheist billboard post? Christians just get more angry when someone says something they see as blashphemy. (yes there are still plenty of decent religious folk out there, just not as a group)
Well naturally, who else would have the copyright on Everything?
In a society saturated with theism, only the atheist has something to complain about. People are finally starting to demand secularism rather than religion as the de facto standard in society.
It`s not bashing religion, it`s making a factual statement. Can you show me what god looks like? No. The fact is christians seem to get up in arms about anything to do with religion because they are insecure and afraid of the truth.
Also, the Dark Ages weren`t dark because they were exceptionally awful times to live- no more so than most of the Middle Ages. They`re `dark` because right after the fall of the Roman Empire, language, culture, and politics all over Europe went into a state of flux and very little is recorded of the period. They`re the `dark` ages because we know so little about them.
Yes it is.
Oh, and there goes 5cats, stretching the truth, as usual...
You`ll find that Europe didn`t come up with much ground breaking discovery during the middle ages.
But your right about the chart being a bit exaggerated. The `dark ages` in a historical sense was the period after the fall of Rome up to the early middle ages... around 1000. 600 years of stagnation - a true return to ignorance. Although chistianity is mostly to blame, there were others that played a part... the Huns for instance.
Anyway things didn`t really take off until the renaissance, and I`ll add that the rest of the world was not `behind` Europe technologically or militarily during all this.
Although I have to admit that I enjoy a good religious debate now and again, this post only aims to insult, rather than rationalize, religion.
Of course, to get all technical about it, there wouldn`t even BE a world without Religion (since God is supposed to have created it in the first place).
Haha defeated you with my Circular Wheel of Power! Kabamm!
If you read the article, it only compared comparable countries, specifically prosperous democracies (Western and Northern Europe, North America etc).
Besides, bad choices there in Israel and Saudi Arabia as examples. Israel is torn apart by strife, entirely along religious grounds, while Saudi Arabia has some of the most disgusting examples of oppression of woman in the name of religion. Just saying.
Linky to research that shows exactly that...
Those aren`t good people. Those are obedient people, obeying good instructions. I want good people, not obedient people, because sometimes the instructions are anything but good.
Try this one some time:How many people does God kill in the bible?How many does the other guy?
thats one of the downsides of religion and its the whole reason we aren`t in flying cars or some other randomly awesome technological advancement (dark ages), but religion has taught people morals and given lots of people a reason to keep living. how many humans do you think would live 75+ years and be kind to others if you told them what you do these 75 years mean NOTHING? most would be looking out for number 1, yet with this "god is judging you" or "you will be reincarnated as a roach", people are more likely to think twice about their actions.
where do you get that fact? Its probably because (assuming your being factual at all) many convicts convert either because they see it as a way to make their life better or to be let out with good behavior.
But wait! If there was no religion, there would be nothing to laugh at! This person it an idiot!
There is surely a massive media conspiracy covering up all those Atheist murderers... Clearly those Atheists go on daily killing and raping sprees with no bible to tell them what to do...
... oh wait! The bible actually says...
Yea I could go on with this for a while.
I agree fully. Half the problems we have are due to religion, and sometimes even the same religion, just a different reading of the exact same book. And whoever said that first part, there are lots of Athiests who are good people. You don`t need a bible to tell you what`s good and what`s not, it`s called your own ethics/morals!
Wait, catholic IS christian.
Are YOU serious? People kill each other in the name of religion. They torture each other in the name of religion. They commit genocide in the name of religion. They commit terrorism in the name of religion. Etc...
Then why are most people who are in prison...catholic, or christian? Can you explain that?
Do YOU realize how much normalcy is ILLEGAL in the US because of religion in place where people were TRYING to separate church and state?
Just off the top, try say "The world is older than 5000 or so years" in a Louisiana public school.
Following your own logic, try looking up crime statistics and cross reference atheism by populous. The graphs are inverse, the most atheist nations have the least crime per cap.
The irony is delicious.
I think I love you. If science permitted it, I would have your babies.
When and where were Christians ever meek?- Less than a month ago, a plane on the way to Louisville emergency landed and had arrested a Jewish kid for PRAYING.- Abortion clinic bombings, physicians gunned down.- Catholic hierarchy supported final solution.- Rampant corruption caused church to execute Reformation.- Guess you never considered what kind of people would originate a phrase like "burn the witch."- The Inquisition.- The Crusades.- The Dark Ages as in the very real anti-scientific perspective imposed by the Christian church. We`re still suffering from that one...- After Jesus` crucifixion, Christianity was illegal until around 310CE when it was made legal and forced to a consensus by Constantine who hoped to save the empire which was suffering from seemingly random burnings (terrorist acts) of Roman temples and of rival Christian factions` sanctuaries and libra
Which Jesus? The one that is in the last supper? The images that Europeans have painted during the Renaissance? Or, an actual likeness of what a Jewish person would have looked like 2000 years ago?
Are we happy now kiddies?
Religious people do that when they pray.
How arrogant of you to assume that this is talking about Christianity; many other religions also believe in a single "god".
Persecution complex much?==========================================
You mean aside from the fact that the caption specifically states the word christian?
Oh, do explain, I am really interested in hearing this.
Erm.....being that CHristians believe in the TRINITY (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)..you ARE invoking the name of Jesus and Christianity. You ignorant a**hole.
Context clue FAIL!
Since when did IAB become so obsessed with becoming an anti-Christian web site?
Look IAB, I can do it too!"
I think Webz had reasonably believed that because the subtitle is (1) What God Looks Like To An Atheist... [Pic]. And what God looks like to a Christian. A comparison, and (2) because the picture heading into this link has a picture of Jesus on it.
Persecution complex much?
Look IAB, I can do it too!
I wasn`t complaining. This is exactly what I meant. Great job on proving me right.
really? I guess you`ve seen "THE" picture of him then?