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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:03 am
    Link: This Doctor Has Some Very Strange Practices - Anyone on I-A-B in medical school? Do you want to tell us what might be going on here?
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:37 am
    disgusting...
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:38 am
    Wtf?
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    Dr_Sexy Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:38 am
    you can do the same with a lighter and a pringle tube
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    gpaglen Male 70 & Over
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:39 am
    Newest body mods!
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    alikabul Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:40 am
    Fire cupping or simply cupping is a form of traditional medicine found in many cultures world-wide. It involves placing cups containing reduced air pressure (suction) on the skin. It is known in local languages as badkesh, bahnkes, bekam, buhang, bentusa, kuyukaku, gak hoi, hijama, and many other names.

    ccording to the American Cancer Society, "vailable scientific evidence does not support cupping as a cure for cancer or any other disease". It can leave temporary unsightly marks on the skin and there is also a small risk of burns. Persons who claim this therapy to be beneficial report that it produces feeling of relaxation and invigoration. It is possible that whatever relief is obtained from this procedure derives from the same principles that are employed in shiatsu massage, where instead of the outward sucking of the cups, strong inward pressure is directed at the muscles of the dorsal ribcage and abdomen.

    TNX WIKI!!! ;D

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    benalln44 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:41 am
    It`s Chinese Suction Therapy. It is said that the sub-atmospheric pressure helps wounds heal faster.
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    avalon Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:42 am
    It`s called suction therapy I believe. Also it`s called flash-fire cupping. I could be wrong.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:44 am
    It is called cuppong- chinese I think?
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    Gunit1 Female 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:44 am
    God knows it`s self inflicted, like s&m or something, and then the bulb things got stuck and he had to go to the hospital.
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:45 am
    Thats the funny suctioning thing. They wipe a flammable substance inside those globe then light it on fire thats what causes the reverse pressure and sucks in the tissue. I think its to promote circulation
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    SubstanceD Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:49 am
    It`s a type of Chinese massage, instead of compressing your muscles with their hands they pull on them with those jars. They heat up the jar and apply it to your back, when it cools down in creates a vacuum that does that. It feel pretty awesome actually.

    There`s also another find of massage they do with a bulls horn. Both leave those horrible marks on your back for weeks. Used to live in China and when my girlfriend got it done she had these huge red marks all over her back.

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    SubstanceD Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:50 am
    It also apparently removes toxins in the blood.
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    nkeithb Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:51 am
    I`m calling it now, new body mod trend.
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    pandabear21 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:53 am
    It`s using suction to increase blood flow and relax muscle.
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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:54 am
    It`s alternative therapy, common in Asian countries. Does it work? No idea.
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    yitani Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:04 am
    No, it`s not chinese. This is an arabic type of cleansing the blood, and it should be done periodically while the blood flow is at a certain stage. It`s called حجامة in arabic, or Hijama in english translation. It`s usually practiced by muslims, and it`s very, very effective. If you want to know more check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijama
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:14 am
    Yitani, you dont say "it`s very, very effective" without any evidence to back it up.

    Basically, it`s bullpoo until proven otherwise. That`s why non-"alternative" medicine goes through heaps of research, study and testing before claims like that are made.

    When you`re psuedoscientific quackery, though, you can make claims like yours all you like.

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    sjaakwortel Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:16 am
    there gonna kill us we need some bloodsuckers here
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:18 am
    New age stuff??
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:28 am
    This is an arabic type of cleansing the blood... and it`s very, very effective.

    As a comedian once said: "You know what? These `Alternative Medicines` have been around for centuries. And you know what else? We`ve tested them. And the ones that work, we now call them `Medicine`. And the rest, let`s face it, are bullsh*t".

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    inaria Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:28 am
    -.-; Wow, showing a picture of a wide-spread practice is hilarious.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:29 am
    it`s also called cupping or Fire cupping. It may be as old as 5000 years, but at least 3500.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_cuppin...
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:32 am
    It`s also an alternative to acupuncture for people who don`t like needles! It totally works, I saw it on The Doctors :P
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    peglegsam Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:40 am
    that looks like it sucks
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:43 am
    this is supposed to relieve tension and muscle pain very well.
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    radoinc Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:44 am
    When I was a child my grandfather used to do those on my back when I had a cold. By the way he was an MD - specialized internal deceases and later became an eye surgeon.
    Indeed it was something related to "blood cleansing" and it`s actual really pleasant. Anyway by my opinion it didn`t help very much.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 8:50 am
    Do you want to tell us what might be going on here?

    Nah. its better if you didn`t know.

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    lastrogue Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:05 am
    This is somewhat related to acupuncture I`ve seen people performing acupuncture also performing this. it`s supposed to pull toxins out of the blood.
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    durdikkimeng Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:16 am
    Yup.Cupping,drawing the bad humours out.
    Now,all of you look up humours.
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    Pallal Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:24 am
    All they do is heat the air inside the glass and stick it on your body, <Insert science explanation here> And it sucks up your skin.
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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:38 am
    I say the guy is a Chad. He`ll pay anybody anything just to get a few hickies.
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:39 am
    That`s some intense cupping. Gonna leave some mad bruises
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:43 am
    "that looks like it sucks"

    hah, i see what you did there.

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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:49 am
    It`s holistic bullpoo.
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    EuroSwag Female 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:50 am
    This looks so wrong in more than one way
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:50 am

    How do they get it back off again? o.O;
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    jadedtortois Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:51 am
    Its a Chinese homeopathic remedy, they heat the glass and it creates a suction onto the skin to promote blood flow and what not. :/
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    akinis Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Honestly, that looks like it might feel good. The suction would relieve stress and tension along your spine caused by your muscles.

    I might have to visit this doctor. maybe Dr. Cup is cheaper than my chiropractor.

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    Adi_Noor Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:54 am
    I bet that is India...
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    _Mouse_ Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Oh, I have seen this on TV before. Can remember what its called though.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Akinis... do you really think that suction cupping your back will relieve tension? If anything it would cause blood to rush to your skin and cause it to become inflamed. Studies show that any relief experienced by patients of cupping is purely psychosomatic. They also found that while their does seem to be positive correlation in pain relief with acupuncture, they achieved the same results with non specifically placed needles. This means "trained" acupuncturists are taking you for a ride, because you could get your mom to do and achieve the same results. Also most of the benefits of Chiropractic care can be achieved with a good massage, plus you get the added benefit of therapeutic touch and relaxation. You should really only use a chiropractor if your doctor suggests it.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Davymid! You are so right... I think it was a magician though.
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:46 am
    My dad has this done, and he showed me the massive bruises he got from it. It just seems painful and freaky to me.
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    ductape Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:46 am
    Those actually are not suction cups. There`s only one hole, so there`s nowhere for the air to go out of.
    Those are glass bulbs used in Bee Venom Therapy. Check it out here: http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/beevenom
    In this case, Bees are put in the bulbs, which are then put on the patient`s skin.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:50 am
    bumbleBB: Can I get YOUR mom to achieve the same results. :0
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:57 am
    ductape.. you`re wrong it`s done with heat, so there`s no hole required, although that is a method as well. You can see the skin inflamed and being pulled into the cup.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_cuppin...

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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 10:59 am
    splurbyburbl... I suppose she might be into a younger man.... My dad owns guns though. And he shot a guy once. K he didn`t, but he would if he had too.
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    bluevixen87 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:31 am
    I`m getting so pissed off with these stupid posts. Do some damn fact checking, it`s not that hard to google something like "Medicine suction cup" and hey, look at that - it`s the first link.
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    turbotong Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:34 am
    I know what this is. This is a form of pressure accupuncture. They heat the jars and stick them on your back. When they cool, the vacuum sucks your body and it feels like a reverse massage (rather than someone pushing on your muscles). This is supposed to relieve pain.
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    Dcarol Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:48 am
    That-s a Chinese antient medical practice, im almost sure
  52. Profile photo of LtFurpie
    LtFurpie Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:53 am
    This technique is also used to try and elongate certain appendages on Chad.
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    I had this done in Thailand, while the blood cleansing is total BS, it is a pretty damn nice massage...and it does leave bruises..but they are more like hickeys than anything else.

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    mysticalrose Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    It`s called cupping. We learn a little about that in nursing school, because soem parents will do that on their children, leaving multiple shallow bruises and may be interpreted as evidence of abuse if we didn`t know/understand the cause.
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    looks like they are extracting a bunch of matrix tracking devices... but they seem to be doing it wrong...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    They heat up the glass to force the oxygen to expand and put it on the mody once the glass cools it makes a vacume effect which sucks the skin into the jar, but the location of the jars are under the same pricipal as acupuncture, It works on pressure points. It does leave Hicky briuses aftwewards!
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    twiztidkitty Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    As most people have said...it`s called cupping. I learned about it in massage school. It can increase blood flow, relax muscles, and although it may bruise the first few times you do it, it also helps your skin.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    Twiztidkitty...HOW does it help your skin? How can it possibly relax muscles. Let`s not forget that bruising is, in fact, soft tissue damage, and for some people can cause significant problems.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Oh yeah... the cup thing.

    Reminds me of an octopus.

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    Kanashto Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    This is too advanced for you internet people
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    I have seen this before! It causes some gnarly-looking bruises, but it`s supposed to help with... something.
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    those top ones have A LOT of skin in them...o.0
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    Dumbbbb
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    daisy822 Female 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    O_o
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    Piepig Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Its looks extremely primitive...
    And painful...

    Until I know the purpose, I can`t believe it has a purpose... o.o

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    Piepig Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    idk if that even made sense....
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    Luna80 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    This is supposed to draw "bad blood" out of your system wich can cause deceases and get your muscles to cramp. Not totally sure how this is called in english, but maybe: cupping.
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    Itsumo Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    the holy f** is this?
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    ZenDragon Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Funny. I was just talking to a professor about cupping. Apparently, it helps with blood circulation. Sometimes they cut your skin that way the "bad blood" is sucked out. Hmmm...
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    addler Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    "This is too advanced for you internet people"

    if anthony bourdain did it, it probably isnt too complicated

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    and although it may bruise the first few times you do it, it also helps your skin.

    Really? That`s like getting a treatment of getting kicked in the balls to help with fertility. Utter bullwank.

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    CosmicKarma Female 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Yes, it`s called cupping. You heat the glass then apply it to the skin, the air inside cools and shrinks, pressure builds up, and it pulls various toxins to the surface. Then you remove the glass (presumeably by heating it up again, but I`m not entirely sure) and wash the toxins off.
    And yes, it can be used to draw "bad blood", I think you have to make an incision in the skin before applying the cup, but I don`t know much about that side of it.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    zendragon I hope you`re being ironic....
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    you guys know that drawing the "bad blood" out is an old way of thinking when they thought all illness was related to the humors. It was especially effective in dealing with hyperactivity. Go figure, you take blood out of someone and
    suddenly they don`t have as much energy....

    Davy... thank you for introducing me to the term bullwank.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    You heat the glass then apply it to the skin, the air inside cools and shrinks, pressure builds up, and it pulls various toxins to the surface.

    Your level of understanding of basic scientific principles is exactly what I would expect from someone who thinks cupping is a genuinely (i.e. measurably) beneficial medical treatment.

    And BB, you`re welcome.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    No guys its super real. When blood starts acting out of line and having all kinds of bad stuff in it, it starts to enjoy heat, so it goes towards the cups that are hot and gets sucked out.
  77. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    Doctor? I think not.

    strong enough suction does increase blood flow in a sense - it ruptures smaller blood vessels, allowing blood to flow all over the place. That`s what the bruising is. Punching them would increase blood flow in the same way.

    Sucking toxins out through the skin...don`t be silly. It would be easy to confirm if it was true - anything sucked out would be contained and could be collected and tested. That hasn`t happened. People who have faith in it (and faith is the right word - belief without evidence) don`t want it tested. There`s less money to be made in stuff that`s proven to not work. Not none - you`ll always find some suckers - but less.

    You may as well go by the ancient system of balancing humours. At least there`s something in that - your diet was considered important in maintaining the balance of your humours. It`s foreign (Greek), so it must work (as people think about this, acupuncture, etc).

  78. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    No guys its super real. When blood starts acting out of line and having all kinds of bad stuff in it, it starts to enjoy heat, so it goes towards the cups that are hot and gets sucked out.

    Which is why it works better in areas where there`s less sunshine. Blood cells in sunnier parts of the world are more used to heat, so they`re less attracted to it.

    Absolutely true, that. Ancient wisdom from somewhere else.

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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    February 25, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    I`m a doctor. The correct term for this is "Snake Oil"
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    Angillion I`ve had my differences with you ( I think), but thank you for saying all that.
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    "So what`s all this for, doc?"
    Oh, the whack-a-mole machine broke this morning and I was bored, so...
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    XionuRose Female 13-17
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    this is a type of suction that takes away pain in the back, its kinda like a giant hick my dad had it done
  83. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    LOL I had all sorts of smartass comments lined up but the previous comments pretty much sum it up. Fact is, in the world of "alternative" medicine (read: not approved by the AMA because there is NO frakkin evidence it does anything at all), anything that feels different is somehow "beneficial". This poo is right up there with silver cords, reiki, crystals and all the other BS people want to believe in because they don`t want to accept what a REAL doctor says - "everyone has pains sometimes, its part of having a complex machine to live in, stop whining about every twinge and grow up."
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    DarkFerret Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    Im guessin a lot like accupuncture?
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    Lionhart I am so glad you mentioned reiki! I can`t believe how many people ignore the evidence that this stuff does nothing! Oh, and for anyone who ever thought candleing does anything for you, you`re an idiot who`s gonna end up with burnt ears.
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    Lionhart2:

    Alternative medicine works: is perfectly useful if you use these techniques while seeing a doctor. The capacity our minds have to control our bodies is astonishing, and these techniques work because they actually change the way our brains work. Do they cure the disease? No, but they help in a psychological and spiritual manner. And both are human needs.
    So it`s not BS. It`s called placebo effect and it is very helpful to boost healing.

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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    "It`s called placebo effect and it is very helpful to boost healing."

    Yes placebo - a fake treatment, an inactive substance like sugar, distilled water, or saline solution -- can sometimes improve a patient`s condition simply because the person has the expectation that it will be helpful

    So anyone peddling such a treatment as anything more, and they all do, is taking advantage. The evidence of placebo is minimal, never having a lasting effect on disease etiology. While there is something to be said for positive thinking, you`re better off praying, or as I mentioned before get a massage which has many benefits that are real.

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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    And one more thing, the sellers of these treatments do it to make money,so don`t fool yourself. They often endorse themselves as an alternative to modern medicine which is dangerous because it persuades many people to believe that they should not seek medical attention, which can lead to serious disease progression at a time when an early diagnosis and conventional treatment could have made a real difference.
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    dasein_17 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    i think they call that ventosa or something.
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    Kiwigirl2 Female 30-39
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    It`s called cupping - and it went out of favour about the same time as bloodletting & using electricity to invigorate the humours.
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    Detenny Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    I love how people get testy and have tp explain things in the comments.
  92. Profile photo of vitaliy
    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    Huh, this must be prevalent in Eastern Europe because my mom has these cups and has used them before o.0
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    andromeda33 Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    my physiotherapy clinic I think does this, but not like all over the back like that, just on the shoulders... I dunno though. i haven`t had it done to me, but i know some patients have the markings from them.
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    It is called it cupping in traditional Chinese medicine (TCM). Phlebotomists used to use it in allopathic medical hospitals. Many health practitioners still use it as a means to promote healing. It draws blood to the area thereby stimulating a healing reaction. As for people debating if TCM works, well over a billion people use it for primary health care to this day and modern research into cures for common ailments are coming from this ancient knowledge. For example, frankincense for cancer, indigo for malaria and a host of other things. Take a look at pubmed and see for yourself. Say what you will, but it works and continues to work to this day. If it didn`t, it wouldn`t be around.
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    Oh and the Chinese wouldn`t have such a populated country . . .
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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 2:20 am
    yeah I`m in med school. I`m so sick of bs `alternative` treatments claiming to be real medicine. Claiming this treatment `draws toxins to the surface` shows how little of an understanding you really have of human physiology. You say it draws blood to the area thereby increasing healing? God you`re dumb. What part of healing are you talking about? Antigen presentation to macrophages and other APC`s allready present in the endothelial cells of the blood vessels? The epithelia itself?

    People who claim to have an understanding of medicine, and clearly don`t, are frustrating enough. People who lead others astray with pseudoscience masquerading as truth deserve to go to jail.

    /End rant.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 2:22 am
    drat you`re dumb Harkannin. I don`t even know where to start detailing how retarded your post is. Please, for the sake of mankind, never try and help anyone with your clear lack of medical knowledge.

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    fr3ck0 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2010 at 6:41 am
    jayebee.... Dont be so ignorant... The chinese have been using these techniques for many many years.. This actual technique is a good way to activate the lymphatic system..

    I am also in the medical field, and there is also a lot that western medicine doesn`t understand.

    I think a good doctor has an open mind to these practices.. So please, for your future patients benefit, keep an open mind...

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    sweetrebelnc Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 7:58 am
    did any one remember in the movie harriet the spy, when she was spying on the owner of the asian supermarket and his son crashed their truck, he got up from the table he was laying on and he had those cup things on his back...
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 10:21 am
    a haha. I find jayebee`s post rather entertaining. drat your dumb. haha.

    jayebee, I don`t even know where to start detailing how retarded your post is. Please, for the sake of mankind, never try and help anyone with your clear lack of medical knowledge.

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    JadeEskimo Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 10:37 am
    Jaybee:

    I have plans of dedicating my entire future to alternative medicine because, as a person with common sense and an open mind, I know that it works.

    Personally, I think its people like you that make conventional medicine such a drating joke

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    JadeEskimo Female 18-29
    45 posts
    February 26, 2010 at 10:39 am
    And Harkannin:

    You seem very cool. We can be friends.

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    Link364 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    that looks relaxing, i should try that one day.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    It`s pretty much blood letting as in medieval leech type blood letting
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Harkaanin if you think simply drawing blood to an area promotes healing you really don`t understand the inflammatory process. Blood flow alone does not promote healing. Increased oxygenation of cells does, which is why modern science uses hyperbaric chambers to promote healing, and not a retarded cup that causes soft tissue damage.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    "I have plans of dedicating my entire future to alternative medicine because, as a person with common sense and an open mind, I know that it works."

    Despite all the evidence that it doesn`t work? You can go live in china with your new friend their and enjoy their great health care system. If I ever see you walk into the hospital I`m working in, I`ll be sure to tell them to put away the IV tubing and find some cups.

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    February 26, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    I`m not a doctor but I suspect that it`s some sort of untested, overpriced new age bullpoo. Just a guess.
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    kirkyboy2005 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    god damn if people don`t think alternative medicines work just don`t drating use them. i personally am slightly skeptical but if people want to use them, then so be it and stop being so bitchy
  109. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Say what you will, but it works and continues to work to this day. If it didn`t, it wouldn`t be around.

    Cobblers. If your argument was correct, then no scam would ever work. The fact that some people are willing to pay for something does not mean that the thing in question works. It just means that some people think it does.

    You mention modern research that finds some actual benefit in some old treatments. That does happen. The most famous example would be aspirin. That`s the active ingredient in willow bark, which is an old treatment for mild pain and fever.

    There is an important distinction between treatments that have been tested and proven to work and those that haven`t. You can`t rationally use the existence of some old treatments that work to claim that all old treatments work.

    In the meantime, people die of curable problems because alternative (i.e. useless) "medicine" is used instead of real medicine.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    Here`s a real example:

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/dead-baby...

    How many dead babies is "alternative medicine" worth?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    February 26, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    A question for those people talking about increased blood flow, blah blah:

    Why not just punch them "patient"? That increases blood flow in the same way, i.e. by breaking small blood vessels near the surface so the blood can flow outside them (i.e. a bruise).

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    god damn if people don`t think alternative medicines work just don`t drating use them. i personally am slightly skeptical but if people want to use them, then so be it and stop being so bitchy

    I get bitchy when people suffer and die for no good reason and other people line their pockets as a result.

    I get bitchy when my tax money is spent on nothing masquerading as healthcare instead of on healthcare. That happens in the UK at the moment - it`s currently being raised as an issue in the House of Commons.

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    lerie Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    "So anyone peddling such a treatment as anything more, and they all do, is taking advantage."
    Indeed. That is why every alternative treatment should never be pursued without propper medical atention.

    >The evidence of placebo is minimal, never having a lasting effect on disease etiology.
    Yes, but the point is to change your state of mind, not the disease itself. ;)

    >While there is something to be said for positive thinking, you`re better off praying
    Not all people are religious.

    >or as I mentioned before get a massage which has many benefits that are real.
    I dislike massages myself. But they are very helpful indeed.

    My point is that our minds can change our nervous systems to support the medical treatments. Look at biofeedback. What I means is: if it works for you, does not harm you and makes you feel better while having a doctor taking care of you, what`s the problem? Sorry, but it`s intolerant (not you bumbleBB, but the people who give no fact su

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    Angilion, your right. That statement is illogical. However, Chinese medicine has stood the test of time an billions of clinical trials. If it didn`t work then why would Chairman Mao keep it? The story about people dying is due to incompetence and not whether or not a system of medicine works. I like that you bring up aspirin because the controls and clinical trials for that substance has far less evidence to support it than Chinese medical treatments. Oh, and instead of punching the patient, why not give them a hickey while fondling their genitals?

    bumbleBB, show me the evidence it doesn`t work. Go to china and see the billions of people being helped every day. The hospital I was at saw 4,000 outpatients per day and most of them were being helped. The numbers are right there in the open for anyone to observe. Science is after all based on observation.

    I feel sad when people automatically distrust a different form of medicine. People are dying because of it.

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    "If I ever see you walk into the hospital I`m working in, I`ll be sure to tell them to put away the IV tubing and find some cups."

    You`re being ignorant and unethical here. Who says Chinese medicine doesn`t use IV? Go check out the stroke department of a Chinese medicine hospital, it may open your eyes.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    "Science is after all based on observation."

    Do you have a science degree? Didn`t think so.

    I do.

    Randomized controlled trials are the best method of gathering statistically significant material. Science is based on gathering data and evaluating it using stingent statistical analysis. At the end of the day, in science, nothing is ever proven, only suggested with a high degree (99.95%) certainty.

    By all means though, you go out into the forest with your cups, and `observe` them doing nothing at all.

    Retard.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    "You`re being ignorant and unethical here."

    Taking a step back here for a second. The internet is such a ridiculous place for the word `ignorant` as realistically it`s no place for a balanced debate. So your very use of it shows how idiotic you are. Claiming the superior higher ground by claiming others are `ignorant` is just plain idiotic. Im claiming it over you, because what you`re trying to peddle here has not been proven on any level. Next you`ll be trying to convince us all that homeopathy is a good idea.


    You thing that`s unethical of them to not want your chinese voodoo crap medicine? For drats sake, go get a real medical education before you throw around terms you obviously don`t understand. You`re not a doctor, nor will you ever be. Your medical advice will never save as many lives as mine will. Enjoy your life as a relatively useless entity.

  118. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    However, Chinese medicine has stood the test of time an billions of clinical trials.

    A person believing something does not constitute a clinical trial.

    The four humours theory stood the test of time too, for several millenia. That didn`t make it right.

    If it didn`t work then why would Chairman Mao keep it?

    Either he believed it or he kept it because it was more politically useful than banning it.

    I feel sad when people automatically distrust a different form of medicine. People are dying because of it.

    People are dying because they`re not having suction on parts of their body, suction severe enough to rupture blood vessels...I`d really like to see you support that statement.

    Show me a properly conducted double-blind trial with a control group that shows toxins being sucked out through the skin by suction. Maybe we can save billions by treating most diseases with household vacuum cleaners.

  119. Profile photo of Harkannin
    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    "Science is based on gathering data and evaluating it using stringent statistical analysis."
    How do you gather data? Isn`t it through observation?

    Angilion, you willing to fund more studies? Anyway, here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19994687?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=3

    I would love to have some funding to do some research with a Chinese medicine doctor who saves peoples limbs from diabetic gangrene so they don`t have to amputate.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2010 at 12:03 am
    "How do you gather data? Isn`t it through observation?"

    No, measurements.

    The difference is that one is subjective, the other is not. You would know this if you had any idea about science or medicine.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
    26 posts
    February 27, 2010 at 12:49 am
    haha what a fail article!

    Where to begin? The sample size was 53. It claims `improvement` was better in the chinese medicine group, yet it doesnt define what `improvement` is anywhere, or how it was measured (note measured, not observed - we`ve been over this ;)). It doesn`t go into the type of statistical analysis used (ie. ANOVA, 2 way ANOVA, t-test, and if so what type of t test was used.)

    The guy could basically have gotten his stats from the tea leaves at the bottom of his cup - In fact he probably did.

    Such groundbreaking data should probably be in a top journal though right? Well, with a SJR rating (Impact factor) of 0.035 (compared with the 16,204 from the best in the world - Annual Review of Immunology), it`s basically not worth the paper it`s written on. Honestly, a journal that`s the 59`th best in china? Not even in the top 5000 in the world.

    Nice try rtard.

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    SlappyMcFish Female 13-17
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    February 27, 2010 at 3:14 am
    WtF...i mean the comments people
  123. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2010 at 6:55 am
    Angilion, you willing to fund more studies?

    If it worked, funding wouldn`t be a problem. There`s a lot of profit in selling whatever alternative "medicine" is fashionable at the time. Those profits could fund studies to test how effective they were. Of course they won`t - why test something that`s profitable anyway?

    So you managed to find an obscure journal in which someone says something works.

    I say again:

    Show me a properly conducted double-blind trial with a control group that shows toxins being sucked out through the skin by suction. Maybe we can save billions by treating most diseases with household vacuum cleaners.

    Such a study would not have to be expensive. Even if it was done on the cheap and was somewhat ropey in its procedures, positive results would attract enough attention.

    By the way...do you disagree with the germ theory of disease?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2010 at 7:23 am
    WtF...i mean the comments people

    This isn`t a harmless topic. Many people`s lives are at stake along with the quality of life of many more people.

    Do we test medical procedures to see if they work and create new drugs and procedures based on as much understanding as possible about how the human body works? Do we seek to learn more about how the human body works, so we can treat disease more effectively?

    Or do we do whatever is currently considered fashionable, especially if it`s old, ignoring the lack of knowledge, the lack of any explanation of how it might work and the lack of any evidence that it does work? Use that forever and let actual medicine stagnate?

    Why not conduct the appropriate rituals to encourage Minerva to heal a patient? That`s also an ancient healing practice.

  125. Profile photo of Harkannin
    Harkannin Male 18-29
    176 posts
    February 27, 2010 at 9:17 am
    There is no lack of evidence that it works. There`s more evidence for it than aspirin. Go find the studies yourself. A lot of research is being done it right now. Just because something is unknown to you, should you encourage people to automatically distrust it and tell people not to use it until there has been research written in English? BTW Pubmed isn`t an obscure medical journal.

    So how do you measure something? It`s still observation. For example the sun rises in the morning changing the temperature on the thermometer. You trying to tell me that scientists don`t observe the fluctuations in temperature?

    And speaking of the sun do you also not value inductive reasoning? The sun rose yesterday, it rose to day, so chances are it will rise again tomorrow. Chinese medicine worked yesterday, it works today, and chances are it will work tomorrow.

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2010 at 11:29 am
    Oh and a theory stands because it hasn`t been disproven. So go to a Chinese medicine hospital to collect the data and prove that Chinese medicine doesn`t work.
  127. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    jayebee has already rebutted the single pseudo-study you were able to provide.

    I`ll use your own example to describe the difference between measurement and observation.

    Observation: Stands outside and says "I think it`s hotter today than about this time yesterday, but not as hot as about this time the day before."

    Measurement: Uses a carefully calibrated device that works in a consistent and known way to measure and display the temperature. Records the temperature at the same place at regular intervals over a period of time, noting any other factors that might affect the results (e.g. something casting a shadow over the measuring device).

    There`s a big difference.

    Overall...I`m not willing to bet people`s lives on backing unexplained treatment without proper evidence against explained treatment with proper evidence. Belief is not proper evidence - plenty of people believed in balancing the humours, sacrificing a pigeon to the gods, etc.

  128. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Oh and a theory stands because it hasn`t been disproven. So go to a Chinese medicine hospital to collect the data and prove that Chinese medicine doesn`t work.

    There is no theory. You`re talking about a scientific theory, which is a comprehensive explanation that is supported by evidence and can predict outcomes. Using suction to rupture blood vessels in parts of the body in the belief that it can cure diseases is not a theory in that context.

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    "Pubmed isn`t an obscure medical journal."

    Sigh. Pubmed is a database, which you can search to find articles published in an array of journals. Just because it`s available through pubmed doesn`t change the fact it`s a crappy article published in a non respected journal, with no scientific merit. It`s like finding a page written by a retarded chimp through google. Just because it`s finable through google doesn`t make it worth reading. I can`t believe you`re trying to discuss science and didn`t know that.

    Angillion is spot on. And no I don`t value inductive reasoning as much as I value double blind randomly controlled trials. Not by a long shot. Theres this thing called evidence based medicine (which you would know had you been to medical school), which lists the order of impact of study types. Your `inductive reasoning` is both observational and descriptive. Completely subjective, and about the worst kind of study you can do.


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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    February 27, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    And stop telling us to go do the research ourselves. The onus isn`t on us to find support for your idiotic argument.

    It`s seriously alarming that you think you`re in any position to be doling out medical advice when it`s so incredible clear to anyone who knows what they`re talking about that you have no clue. None. At all. With your current level of knowledge I am actually scared for the people you try and help.

    So please, less time with the ouija board, and more time in university.

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    nonamewillfi Male 13-17
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    February 28, 2010 at 9:09 am
    why dont you just find an octopus
  132. Profile photo of Harkannin
    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Congratulations! One of you is a hypocrite by not requiring evidence to support your own arguments and the other thinks that scientists just magically get numbers without even looking at a device to measure.

    Even if I link to research written in Chinese, French or German, you will probably refute it also, so continuing with this is futile. The data and evidence are already there for you find and the explanations for these treatments uses concepts like &#38452;&#38451;&#65292;&#27668;&#65292;&#20116;&#34892;&#65292;&#33039;&#33105;&#65292;&#27941;&#28082; etc. You obviously don`t want to try to understand these concepts, or the rational behind these treatments.

    There are hospitals of Chinese medicine that are saving people`s lives, helping people regain the function of their limbs, and relieving people of their ailments. If you`re not willing to bet your life on it, then so be it. Don`t use TCM even if your life depended on it

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Those numbers are unicode for Yin yang, qi, wu xing, jin ye.
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    March 1, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    The only way progress has ever been made in medicine or any other field for that matter, is by going outside of what is considered "standard".

    I stand by reason, including inductive, and analysis as a basis for understanding the answer to life the universe and everything. 42!

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    jayebee Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2010 at 12:42 am
    Sigh. We`re going around in circles here.
    “The only way progress has ever been made in medicine or any other field for that matter, is by going outside of what is considered "standard".”
    This is incorrect, and something only an idiot would say.
    We`ve been over the language thing, it`s not the obstacle you think it is. Remember though that english is the international language of science. Any scientific research worth its weight, and looking to be taken seriously is put to the international community for review in english.
    You`re getting caught up with the word `observe`. Ofcourse scientists use their eyes to see measurements. There is no measurements taken in that article you presented though. None. They simply listed `improvement` as the doctor or patient saw it. There was no criteria to measure it by.
  136. Profile photo of jayebee
    jayebee Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2010 at 12:42 am
    You’re right about 1 thing though. I wouldn’t use TCM even if my life depended on it. Know why? It hasn’t been proven. I’ll stick with western medicine that has been rigourously tested and scientifically shown to work. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best we have that we know to work.
    Honestly, and I mean this, go and get a science degree, a medical degree, or any sort of formal qualification so that you might begin to have an idea about what you’re talking about, and then come back and try and convince me again. At the moment it’s like banging my head against a brick wall talking to you, because honestly, you’re so behind the 8 ball it’s not funny.
  137. Profile photo of Harkannin
    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    I`m thinking of it this way. Person A say`s "it`s hot outside", Person B says, "it`s cold outside". Can you prove one way or another who is correct supposing the temperature is 15 degrees Celsius?

    Is there a standard measure that says, this particular temperature is cold, or this particular temperature is hot? In a similar way is a particular way of looking at the body or universe correct?

    If I feel cold should I wear more clothes? Or should I wait until a study comes out that proves that wearing more clothes makes people feel warmer? Or should I wear more clothes anyway because it makes me feel better and could possibly save my life if I am living in frigid temperatures?

    The idea behind the cups is that it draws xue to the area which then draws qi. This in turn promotes circulation of both. These cups are generally used for chronic conditions. There is logic behind why they are used.

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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    March 2, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Other Study
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
    176 posts
    March 2, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    Different study
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
    176 posts
    March 2, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    Science:
    Person A observes something. (The sun feels warm)
    Person A then comes up with a hypothesis. (The sun is warm.)
    Then by way of recorded observation (a thermometer rising when hit by rays of the sun)
    Person B then replicates test (by putting a thermometer in the sun observing it rise, and records the observation).
    Other people do the same test (and can`t disprove that the thermometer gauge rises when put into the sun.) Therefore, the sun is warm.

    Am I missing something? (other than the test to see if the reading on thermometers rise with warmer temperatures?)

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    Supersyko Male 18-29
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    March 6, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Iv seen this before, its some kinda japaneese zen thing....i forgot...but i did know it at one point.
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    JadeEskimo Female 18-29
    45 posts
    March 7, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Heres some poo to think about

    ...and what about this?

    or this?

    A link to a few more links


    Ah, a field of study which involves life treatening misdiagnoses and selfish non-nice individuals raking in the money from their test subjects. Sounds like you`re in the right field Jaybee. You`ll do just fine!

    Please, tell me again how much better your medicine practices are...

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