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"Ollie, that statement (hide the decline) was three words, meant nothing in the greater context of the email, and was blown out of all proportion by the media. Just like SARS was. Just like Avian Flu was. Just like Swine Flu was. The media had an orgasm over it, and made it into more than what it was. It was to do with tree-ring data disagreeing with contrary evidence form ice-cores, lake-bottom varves, isotopic analysis and other scientific measurements. Sure, there are uncertainties, that`s how science works. That statement was about those uncertainties, nothing else. "
Anyways, this thread is dead. I`ll explain in more detail on the next live debate.
On another note, I genuinely enjoy these debates, no animosity here from me to you. Long may it continue. Intended with a sense of friendliness and mutual respect.
Okay, Davy, tell us please, in what context can "hide the decline" be construed as anything other than blatant scientific fraud?
The Climategate emails simply confirmed what many of us have known for years: the peer-review process has been totally corrupted by a bunch of incestuous charlatans. The old "everybody agrees" bullpoo has had its run. The fact is, everybody does NOT agree. It`s just that skeptics can`t get their work published by the corrupt journals, so they have found other outlets.
Most people aren`t buying it anymore. The hucksters who have been raking in $millions and accumulating political power that would make Hitler blush have finally been exposed as liars and thieves. The wheels are coming off, Davy. I suggest you bail while you still have a reputation.
Maybe, maybe not. Sure, climate change is cyclical (despite Mr Comedy`s slandering ealier, I know a thing or two about it), what`s unprecedented now is the RATE of climate change. That`s why there is likely an anthropogenic component to our current climatic shift.
Anyways, I`m done being trolled off-topic and I`m done trying to teach armchair scientists who think they know it all from some articles they read on the internet rather than listen to the scientific community. Laters.
Bullsh*t, lies, and conservative propaganda. Global emissions of methane due to termites are estimated to be between 20 and 29 Tg per year. Emissions of methane from human activity IN THE US ALONE is estimated at around 585 Tg per year. That would make it around 4% of human emissions (that`s just the US`s contribution, that number shrinks considerably taking in world emissions). NOT 600% the global level. Those are very different numbers.
Difference between your number and mine is that I can back mine up with an actual internationally respected scientific source (something I don`t see you climate change nay-sayers do very often). From the US EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). http://epa.go
5. I never once alluded to whether it was man-made or not. YOU put those bullsh*t words in my mouth. As it happens, I do believe it is (in large part) man-made, though I never said so, I only said that to claim it’s not happening is a downright lie. So please do me the courtesy of not pulling bullsh*t that I never said.
6. Personal insults such as directly calling other users scumbags (especially when they said nothing to elicit such an attack) is against the rules. That includes insults against Moderators. Consider this an official warning.
1. An Earth Scientist studies the Earth. That’s all earth systems, geological, hydrological and atmospheric. To say an earth scientist “knows nothing about” atmospheric science is as retarded as saying a doctor knows nothing about anatomy.
2. My PhD is in sequence stratigraphy (look it up). That’s the study of sea level fluctuations throughout geological time, and their association with climatic controls. That’s what we USE to find hydrocarbons in the subsurface. I can almost guarantee that I know more about climate change than just about everyone you know.
3. So I work for an oil company? So what? I’m not fed bullsh*t by the “Shell Corporation” (you make it sound like the Church of F*cking Scientology), and am quite capable of thinking on my own.
Wow. Lemme answer that:
Besides, it`s not the end of the world, its the end of the world as we know it. I think there`s going to be a big change not total destruction.
you are. remove the a, put an an apostrophe.
Mr. Comedy, no personal attacks. That includes childish name calling.
Guys you remember me warning you before. Don`t be surprised if you wake up tomorrow to a ban. I want these boards civil.
Lies, propaganda and rampant bullsh*t. Again, the "people who are behind all the global warming research" is the world`s international scientific community. Accusations that these people made up their own data, ignored other data that contradicted theirs, paid people off, took money, etc requires some evidence, kid. Linky?
p.s. save the "climategate" bullsh*t, as they were a handful of scientifically insignificant, innocuous comments from 5 climatologists taken wildly out of context (from those with an agenda) from a hacked email databank of 10s of thousands of emails spanning more than a decade, deliberately blown out of all proportion.
Other linkys may count.
Oh forsooth - `Dilemma`, what is thy definition?
On the one hand, I agree with Davy - the focus of GW has now shifted in the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of scientists from "Is it real or not?" to "Yes we ackowledge its real, but is it manmade or natural cycle?"
On the other hand, I`ve never read anything Davy said that made sense before, so I can`t agree with it just on principal.
Dilemma, be gone from me.
Ollie, don`t be dick. The vast majority of the international, peer-reviewed scientific community "believe" in global warming (including this PhD professional Earth Scientist), the same group who have said 2012 is a bucket of horsewank since the beginning.
Your statement is akin to saying "The people who believe in this tooth fairy crap are the same idiots who believe in evolution."
i am shocked.
Mayans: Ok, so now we have 2012 all set out, now let`s start work on the next--
Conquistador: SILENCE! I KEEL YOU!
The End! ^____^