Teen Cheerleader Claims Discrimination?

Submitted by: Matwix_2004 7 years ago in Weird
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/02/gay_mentally_challenged_bi-rac.php

Gay, mentally handicapped, biracial, male cheerleader claims he is discriminated against. Not from Onion.
There are 128 comments:
Male 134
I think the main issue is that no one wants to stare at his ugly ass all day, big drating deal. give the people what they want, who gives a poo about the retard? back in the day we used to toss babies off cliffs that had defects. i say we go back to doing that.

drat everyone who thinks this kid should be a cheerleader.

Clearly hes not `cheerleader` material. NO ONE WANTS TO STARE AT HIS UGLY MUG ALL DAY. face the facts!

thats life.

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Female 236
i wanted to be a cheerleader but our school uniform skirts were too short so my parents didn`t let me
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Female 612
People are ridiculous. You have to try out and actually be GOOD to cheerlead. Now, if he had done that and they refused, maybe he`d have something to sue for. The problem is he is a mentally-handicapped individual who, though obviously high-functioning, can not do what is needed to be a cheerleader. I don`t think it has as much to do with his race or orientation. I do feel sorry for him, but every kid can`t expect to be able to do whatever they want because they`re "special." Some people are just better at things than others. That`s life.
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Female 584
He can`t even drating cheer....wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
he just stands there and claps! He is on the damn team so how in the hell are they discriminating? He needs to sit his ass down somewhere and find something he`s actually good at.
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Female 999
Does she REALLY want her son to be thought of and remembered like this?
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Female 168
If you read other articles and commentary to this, this article really is half-assed.

First of all, he has Asperger`s. For those who don`t know what it is- look it up on wiki. It is technically a mental handicap because it alters a life of a person that isn`t considered "normal" and disrupts aspects of life "normal" people have.
However, he is cognitively functional and capable.

He was allowed to cheer, he missed practice with Winter Break and wasn`t allowed to participate in the game. Yes, that`s his mother`s fault. PLENTY of parents don`t pull their kid out of school to go on vacation.

As far as the school thinking Shakira shouldn`t be shaking his hips- we don`t know the full story. My guess is that he was wearing loose pants and it was obvious that, without wearing a cup or whatever, he stood out. And chances are, with AS, he was a repeat offender of failing to maintain good appearance.

If he CAN do things, yes, let him. If he cannot do them, that`s f

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Male 299
well atleast he`s not a ginger
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Female 1,963
Yeah, you`re a shining example of how loving society is, vindictive.
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Female 1,077
"This is about a young gay man with mental issues who was not allowed to participate in an activity based SOLELY on things outside of his control."

it`s out of my control that i don`t have the capacity to understand molecular physics, should i still be allowed to teach it? by your standards, i should. cut the touchy-feely no child left behind bullcrap. like someone said earlier, mother nature would have destroyed this kid if society wasn`t so loving.

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Male 36
he looks like that kid off the suite life on deck
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Male 225
and this is what happens when you drink while you`re pregnant. As for them allowing him on the team, they have the right to refuse him. There are high school cheerleading competitions, and those in turn can and DO turn into grants for college. So in allowing someone sub-par to be on the team just because we`re such pussies and we don`t wanna hurt feelings, you can and are hurting the rest of the team`s chances of a higher education.
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Male 237
I think this is just another "minority" screaming discrimination because they didn`t get what they want.

I`ve seen it all too often. If minorities want to be treated equally then they shouldn`t call discrimination when they aren`t allowed to do something.

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Male 674
"Sweet mother of pearl! Put a bag over his head and neuter him asap!"

the being gay part takes care to ensure he wont breed.

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Male 189
The next thing you know, the entire cheerleading squad will be comprised of "mentally challenged biracial male cheerleaders" and the hot chicks will end up in the parking lot turning tricks...actually I like where this is headed...
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Male 782
The kid is going to have a tough life. While cheerleading isn`t going to help with that, it brings him pleasure.

@Shisi I would disagree with you saying he needs to grow some balls. Despite how different he is, he is doing what he wants. We all know what kind of environment the public school system is.

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Male 10,440
I agree with moefreak because my real opinion is close enough to hers and I`m too lazy to write it out.
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Male 2,148
I have no problem with this. Cheerleading is as much about how you look as it is about what you`re doing. At some point the mom has to stop being less protective. I`m sorry the kid is so messed up (by today`s standards of normal), but that`s just the way it is. She can`t change the whole world so that he can cheer like the girls.
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Female 1,963
I totally agree that IF this were a job and these were adults THEN the employers would be completely entitled to not allow him to join the cheerleaders, or to dictate what his role in the team would be. HOWEVER, this is a high school, and he is a student. He should be allowed on the cheerleading team, as long as he can do it well enough (even if not outstandingly). It`s just high school cheerleading, people, let the kid have his fun.
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Female 125
Also, I have to agree that No Child Left Behind is the most ridiculous crap one of our dumb presidents created. My school is using tons of money to educate students who don`t need it and will never use it. I WILL. So, No Child Left Behind is retarded, no pun intended.
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Male 779
Personally, I think the kid needs to grow some testiculars and stop playing with Barbies.

Now don`t get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with being a whateverthedratheis. He should just stop being such a little vag about it.

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Female 125
LOL. That sucks for him, really, really, bad. And I don`t have any experience around mentally challenged people, but do they even know about sex and what it means to be gay? I didn`t think so, but apparently they do. Well, good luck to him.
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Male 4,680
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE BLACK AND GAY AND RETARDED IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A CHEERLEADER IN FACT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE SO STOP SAYING OTHERWISE

Not that he`ll ever read this, but I had to get that out.

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Male 3,431
You know what MF`er, I am *not* Gay, Retarded, Bi Racial or any of the other myriad "obstacles" this idiot claims, Can I be a High School Cheerleader!? NO! Because I`m a 33 Year old DUDE, GTFO!
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Male 3,431
Should we feel sorry for him and let him have his way because he`s Gay? Retarded? Biracial? Etc? He shouldn`t be treated any different than the rest of the students. If the school has a policy that forbids Males from waving Pom Poms then guess what kid, you don`t get to wave em. Buck up and move on, be glad society has sympathy because mother nature does not and had your fate been left to Darwin, you wouldn`t have made the cut.
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Male 154
hes better than my schools cheerleaders. there all super gnar girls or gay kids. haha actually the gay kids are way cooler than the girls. like i said, are cheerleaders are GNARLY.
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Male 3,369
@ twitchy11B

Who are you to decide what the rest of us want to see? I dont want to see posts like yours but here we are discussing it!

It`s not your world, it`s mine! You just happen to live in it!

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Male 1,625
Meh.
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Male 198
wow twitchy, from a biblical stand point, your a drating hypocrit. way to accept all people for who they are. go back to sunday school jacka$$

(kinda sad some non believers knows the bible better than some believers)

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Male 371
On top of being gay, biracial, and mentally retarded, his last name has to be GRUNDY.
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Male 40,291
Sweet mother of pearl! Put a bag over his head and neuter him asap!
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Female 1
Haha wow, much to my surprise after clicking this link, I saw his face and thought "Wow IAB, this guy? Really?"

I sat next to him in health class in middle school and its not surprising to see that he hasn`t changed much. He was always being made fun of for how he did feminine things like how he acted and what he doodled in class.

I don`t see any harm in him being a full-fledged cheerleader. However, the image of a cheerleader is of a thin, cute girl, and not a biracial, mentally challenged young man. It`s kind of like modeling. They are there for eye-candy and to show off. If he got a haircut and was a little bit more hygienic, I think he would stand a better chance at acceptance. After all, cheerleading is very superficial.

The principal seems a bit clueless and unable to really back up her statements of how Garfield High doesn`t discriminate.

From what I`ve seen of him IRL, he receives much ridicule, but at the same time he doesn`t do much to stop it, other than te

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Male 124
*shudder* im not saying that he cant be jay, i do think its wroung in a biblicol sence, but i just wish he would keep it low key. very few peaple want to see that and those that do can band togeather and entertain themselfs with out disturbing the rest of us. rant over, and sorry.
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Male 2,528
What does this mother expect? Cheerleading alone is the epitome of discrimination. I mean, this mother might as well be screaming "racism" and petitioning against the KKK because he son can`t get in.
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Male 1,297
gay, biracial are whatever.

but if he can`t do the job, why does he deserve it?

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Male 367
LOL @ mischeif
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Male 601
This is the kind of poo No Child Left Behind creates. I`m not saying this wouldn`t have been an issue before it, but devoting resources to help people who slow society down (and with minimum return) instead of helping talented/promising students is ridiculous.
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Male 764
OMG hate to make light of someones struggle but I thought the artical said his name was solomon grundy and i LOL`ed.


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Male 367
1. Why aren`t cheerleaders hot anymore?
2. (Somewhat off-topic) I know I`m terrible but it`s not fair to let the handicapped kids get whatever they want just because their IQ is low. At my school, the slow kids get everything handed to them at talent shows and the like while the deserving people get shut out.
3. Rant over. Life sucks w/e.
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Male 233
I`m sorry, but there`s a limit. You see plenty of male cheerleaders. Sexual orientation is also a factor that doesn`t matter. I think its absolute bullpoo that they even bring those two factors into this argument. The point is, he`s handicapped. He slows them down. And welcome to the real world. The ones who slow you down get thrown out first. Let`s see him jump around and do flips and cartwheels and handstands. THEN we can argue.
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Male 108
It`s so easy a gay, mentally challenged, biracial, male cheerleader can do it!
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Male 108
faaag
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Female 237
According to all American teen movies this is what cheerleaders are meant to do...
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Male 848
Quite interestingly, nobody has argued to the contrary, xpekt
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Male 134
I think the main issue is that no one wants to stare at his ugly ass all day, big drating deal. give the people what they want, who gives a poo about the retard? back in the day we used to toss babies off cliffs that had defects. i say we go back to doing that.

drat everyone who thinks this kid should be a cheerleader.

Clearly hes not `cheerleader` material. NO ONE WANTS TO STARE AT HIS UGLY MUG ALL DAY. face the facts!

thats life.

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Male 848
@Vindictive:
It`s people who enter into things thinking they`ll change it for the better that end up changing things for the better.
Funny, that.
It`s an incredibly sexist institution.
It segregates the genders and represents women as performing beauties for men to gawp at.

It takes many many people who enter things trying to change them before things get better.
Like I said, it`s a slow process but it;s a process.

Just because your school does one thing doesn`t mean other school can`t do other things.
Your anecdotal evidence means nothing meaningful.

It`s not difficult to provide a male uniform, the lack of one further shows the discrimination present...

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Female 1,798
OH GOD. KILL HIM WITH FIRE.
i hate people like this. people who think they should be allowed to do ANYTHING THEY WANT and whimper and moan when they can`t. i can`t teach molecular physics. i can`t be an olympic athlete. and i, a pretty damn normal person, CAN`T BE A CHEERLEADER BECAUSE I DON`T HAVE THE SKILLS. absolutely retarded, no pun intended. i wish natural selection had taken this kid down."

You are an immature twit and you REALLY need to grow up. This is not about some kid whining and complaining. This is about a young gay man with mental issues who was not allowed to participate in an activity based SOLELY on things outside of his control.

Grow the hell up.

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Female 1,077
tainteddeity;
what`s your point? of course he was denied to wear a female uniform. our school has male cheer-leaders. they wear the male uniform. that school did not have any male uniforms for him to wear. he was denied the ability to perform feminine dance moves. you can call me a bigot if you want, it seriously doesn`t matter to me, but this is god damn cheerleading. if this kid got into it thinking he`d change the game and move it away from the cuteness, the thinness, and the sexuality of the pseudo-sport then he`s more retarded than the article made him look.
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Male 848
Ah, it was also suggested he be the team mascot instead of being part of the cheer leading team.
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Male 848
He wasn`t kicked off, at all.
He was refused a uniform, refused pom poms and not allowed to move his legs or body.
The rest of the team is female and have uniform, pom poms and do little jumps and shakes on the spot.
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Female 1,077
LandoGriffin;
there were no try-outs, for anyone. there wasn`t going to be a team but that kid and some of his friends organized a team. only a few people could be on it. he was kicked off because he couldn`t do the moves the girls could.
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Male 3,842
I`m not going to bother with this link, since I gather from your comments that this young man was allowed to try out for the cheerleading squad just like anyone else and didn`t make the team just like anyone else (except a select few), so it sound to me like he was treated exactly the same way as everyone else. That`s not discrimination. If I`m wrong and he was not allowed even to try out, that`s a problem.
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Female 160
"penises don`t make babies"

WTF?!?! Vaginas don`t make babies either! Sperm (from the penis) fertilizes an egg (from the ovary, not the vagina) where it then sits for nine months and does the whole growing thing where the baby then passes THROUGH the vagina. Men and women MAKE babies TOGETHER. Have you ever been to fifth grade health class, or is "the talk" for you?

Besides, that has no bearing on carrying pom poms!

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Female 1,894
"our policy is taht every student has the rights.. um..... that uhh everybody has and there is not discrimination." yea good quote
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Male 5,194
You have to qualify for things in life. Main qualification for being a cheerleader is that you have to be cute. This guy`s ugly.
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Male 25,417
how retarted can some people be? this retarded!
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Female 160
I actually added him on fb and congratulated him for at least trying.
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Female 1,077
"What they should do is say "We are going to give you an equal opportunity, and cut you just like all of the girls that weren`t good enough to cheer." "

yes, exactly. sometimes people are only alive because the judicial system has forbid me from killing them.

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Male 61
This family is looking for something to complain about. I mean, seriously, i doubt the athletic director is saying "your mentally challenged, gay, and biracial, so you cant move your hips.".

What they should do is say "We are going to give you an equal opportunity, and cut you just like all of the girls that weren`t good enough to cheer."

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Female 1,077
OH GOD. KILL HIM WITH FIRE.
i hate people like this. people who think they should be allowed to do ANYTHING THEY WANT and whimper and moan when they can`t. i can`t teach molecular physics. i can`t be an olympic athlete. and i, a pretty damn normal person, CAN`T BE A CHEERLEADER BECAUSE I DON`T HAVE THE SKILLS. absolutely retarded, no pun intended. i wish natural selection had taken this kid down.
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Male 2,796
"You kids who have grown up with this "self-esteem" bullpoo are all going to get bitch-slapped into reality when you get out in the real world and find out that nobody gives a dry fap about how good you think you are."

/agree and if you don`t believe it, look up failed auditions for American Idol... there is a reason why they are funny in a pathetic way.

Well played Sir!

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Male 15,832
Cheerleaders, aside from the requirement to be somewhat physically attractive, must be top-notch athletes as well. Dancing, tumbling, and acrobatics are part of the gig. At the college level, cheerleaders are more likely to suffer injuries than football or basketball players. So, aside from being gay, bi-racial, mentally challenged, and ugly as a horse`s twat, he`s a big fat fatty! He can`t do the damned job!

You kids who have grown up with this "self-esteem" bullpoo are all going to get bitch-slapped into reality when you get out in the real world and find out that nobody gives a dry fap about how good you think you are.

VVV Sorry, I deleted and edited my post. tainteddeity was responding to this post, VVV

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Male 848
As brutal as that was, OldOllie, I agree with what you`ve said :P

Nice to see discrimination based on necessity, not gender bias.

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Male 795
Poor kid. He`s got enough problems, just let him gyrate.....
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Male 848
Just to start: gender is not physical shape.
Sex and gender are different.
Gender is your societal position.
Sex is your physical position.

Now that is out of the way:
Thing is, it`s perfectly reasonable for a patient to not want a black midwife if the patient has been sexually persecuted by black people since birth then I can understand them not wanting to expose their genitals to that person.

Similar situation for men.
Women are exposed to sexual persecution by men from their early teenage years. It is understandable their is some conditioning there.

Of course, black people don`t systematically sexually persecute women.
However, a lot of men do.

The two are different and, once again, incomparable.

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Male 2,850
Continued: Substitute gender, and you have my view. You can`t go around saying what jobs people can and can`t do based solely on your personal prejudices. If you don`t like men doing this, or women doing that, or black people doing this, or white people doing that, suck it up; because it`s not fair to restrict other people`s freedom of opportunities because you have an irrational hatred or fear of certain traits.

If someone is capable of doing the job, and you reject them because of how they look (that`s all gender is; physical shape), or what they do in their personal time (who they like to have sex with, who they worship, what they eat, whatever), then you`re in the wrong.

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Male 1,929
Is he, or is he not, sh*t at cheerleading?

Therefore, GTFOOTCS*


*(get the drat out of the cheerleading squad)

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Male 2,850
"A lesbian midwife isn`t as likely to exploit the patient as much as a male midwife."

That`s a pretty big claim. Where is the statistical analysis on which you are basing that assertion?

I seriously doubt that either of us knows whether or not a straight man or a homosexual women are more likely to engage in gross misconduct whilst working in the role of a midwife.

And as a gay male, I`d be rather offended if I was told I couldn`t do a job because "I might rape the women".

This probably isn`t the best debate for us to be in anyway; with me personally having no real interest or insight into the inner workings of the female...inner workings, I doubt I can have a clear view on what women are comfortable with in that situation.

But I can draw parallels; if a pregnant women rejected a midwife because the midwife was of a certain ethnicity, then the pregnant woman would be discriminating, and would probably get a lot further in life if she changed her views. Sub

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Female 318
poor kid, I wanted to laugh just reading about him.
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Male 848
"In an ideal world men could equally be midwives, I agree.
However, we live in a patriarchy and so some men would take advantage of a woman`s vulnerable position."

Some women might too; lesbians.

Your point? All men can`t help being rapists if they`re tempted? Doesn`t that sound a little like a certain extreme interpretation of a much-maligned religion?"

This really needs tackling right now.
A lesbian midwife isn`t as likely to exploit the patient as much as a male midwife.

A lesbian midwife is also subject to male leering all her life and will empathise with the woman.
Furthermore, a lesbian midwife does not share the same power divide as a straight male midwife would.

The two are very different.
The onyl comparison one can draw between a lesbian midwife and a straight male midwife is that they`re both attracted to women.

There is a lot more to sexual exploitation than that.

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Male 2,796
I gotta run for a bit. I leave you with this.

I want to be a woman... Safe For Work

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Male 2,850
"Go to Bourbon Street, New Orleans and get a shot from any of the shot girls in any of the bars down there... then come back to me and ask that question."

I can answer that question already; it wouldn`t make any difference to me; I`m a gay man.

"An attractive female will outsell an attractive male any day, whether the product be alcohol or cheers."

Any day? Any product?

I`d advise you to rethink that belief in regards to my above answer.

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Female 1,963
Why not let the kid do what he wants? These aren`t professional cheerleaders, the audience are not paying customers, it`s a high school. Let him enjoy himself while he can. It would be different if he was being hired for a job (like professional cheerleading for a professional team), then they could set whatever requirements they want for the applicants (ie. requiring them to be female, of a certain size, or even attractive).
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Male 848
I`m not saying we just replace all scantily clad girls with athletic men.
Keep the girls and add a few men too.

Don;t change what the women are doing just add a few male cheerleaders doing something too. Something athletically impressive and you`ll lose little to no male customers and pave the way to equality and more female customers too.
It`s a gradual process.

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Male 2,850
"It`s called "popular demand". In a perfect world we can all expect everyone to be objective about these things, but it`s not. The people that attend football games expect to see large men pummeling each other and attractive females cheering for their team."

Okay, let`s get all free-market economics on your arse; women account for 51% of the human population. So if sports are trying to appeal to the popular market, and heterosexuality is the majority sexual orientation, surely they should be appealing to their largest potential market: heterosexual women.

So, thinking like you do, why shouldn`t there be athletic men cheerleading too?

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Male 2,796
"Do you think it is okay for customers to be demanding that they only be served by people they find attractive, when looks don`t have any bearing on performing the service requested (in this case, serving drinks)?"

Go to Bourbon Street, New Orleans and get a shot from any of the shot girls in any of the bars down there... then come back to me and ask that question. An attractive female will outsell an attractive male any day, whether the product be alcohol or cheers.

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Male 9,305
"my grammar is horrible today..."

As long as you strive to improve. :)

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Male 2,850
"In an ideal world men could equally be midwives, I agree.
However, we live in a patriarchy and so some men would take advantage of a woman`s vulnerable position."

Some women might too; lesbians.

Your point? All men can`t help being rapists if they`re tempted? Doesn`t that sound a little like a certain extreme interpretation of a much-maligned religion?

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Male 2,796
"There is no reason an athletic male cheerleader could also perform the same moves and even show a bit of flesh. Women watch sports too."

Dude, you don`t understand... I get what your saying and on a certain level I agree with you. But you see.. .there IS a reason. It`s called "popular demand". In a perfect world we can all expect everyone to be objective about these things, but it`s not. The people that attend football games expect to see large men pummeling each other and attractive females cheering for their team. This is what sells tickets and makes it part of the experience.

So, my argument here is that it IS the reason. Just because you don`t like the reason doesn`t mean that there is not one to begin with.

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Male 2,850
"I am going to apply for the job of shot-girl at the bar down the street. I am sure the paying customers won`t mind."

If the customers are more concerned with the appearance of the person bringing their drinks than with the drinks themselves, perhaps they should be in a strip club or brothel instead of a bar.

Do you think it is okay for customers to be demanding that they only be served by people they find attractive, when looks don`t have any bearing on performing the service requested (in this case, serving drinks)?

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Male 848
In an ideal world men could equally be midwives, I agree.
However, we live in a patriarchy and so some men would take advantage of a woman`s vulnerable position.
Even if no men would take advantage, women are subject to sexual assault from men from their teenage years onwards.

Breaking down the patriarchy would fix the inequality of power and likely help to remove the stigma of male wmidwives

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Male 3,255
"The crowd would be just as comfortable if men were alongside them getting the crowd going too."

Cite your sources? Because if your average sports fan ("BOOBIES ARE AWESOME!" type guys) all just suddenly up and vanished, I`d like to know.

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Male 2,850
"Nobody is comfortable letting an overweight gay male gyrate his hips, wave pom-poms around while he squeezes himself into a plus size "uniform"."

Just as an amusing aside...

...you`ve encountered this thing called "the internet", right? You should know that, if you look in the right places, you`ll always find people who are veeeeeeeeerrry comfortable with whatever you might dream up.

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Male 2,796
I am going to apply for the job of shot-girl at the bar down the street. I am sure the paying customers won`t mind.
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Male 2,850
"A wet nurse or midwife needs to be female because other women feel more comfortable when a women is in their intimate space. That`s it."

If that is true (and I have no idea if it is, what with not being a woman and all), then it surely comes down to the women who get uncomfortable to change their ways.

What would you say if pregnant women got uncomfortable if their midwives were of a different ethnicity?

I don`t think anybody`s "discomfort" should trump equal rights. Otherwise, nobody would have any damn rights at all, because there`s always someone who`s personally offended by something or other.

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Male 848
splurby:
We`re not just talkign about this male here.
He is unsuitable for cheerleading because of his apparent lack of skill.

We are talking about male cheering in general.
There is no reason an athletic male cheerleader could also perform the same moves and even show a bit of flesh. Women watch sports too.

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Male 848
The crowd would be just as comfortable if men were alongside them getting the crowd going too.

Them being female is not necessary.
Leading the cheer is necessary.
There is more than one way to get a crowd going. Showing flesh and being pretty isn`t the only way.

When midwifing, the woman being comfortable is necessary.

They are two different situations, you cannot compare them like that.

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Male 2,796
"A wet nurse or midwife needs to be female because other women feel more comfortable when a women is in their intimate space. That`s it."

And that`s what it`s all about right? Comfort zones... Nobody is comfortable letting an overweight gay male gyrate his hips, wave pom-poms around while he squeezes himself into a plus size "uniform". Although I think everyone would be comfortable if he were to get his fat ass in shape and perform the tasks that normally a male cheerleader whould have. Like helping the girls with their routines, holding up signs, doing a few acrobatic stunts... and so on and so forth. That is what male cheerleaders do.

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Male 3,255
Reason and change are vital, but saying "EVERYONE SHOULD BE EVERYTHING AND ANYONE WHO DOESN`T LIKE IT IS A dratING RETARD AND SHOULD CONFORM" is just as backwards and foolish as claiming that cheerleaders should only be women.
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Male 2,850
@javavid:

"if that was your child regardless of want to do anything dont you feel you should help them not get made fun of or beaten up at school?"

Saying a child deserves abuse because they don`t fit into a social norm is like saying women deserve to be raped because they`re attractive.

The bullies are the ones at fault for mistreating someone for being different, not the kid for being different.

There is NO excuse for mistreating someone, for any reason whatsoever, and to say someone is "asking for it" is blaming the victim, not the criminal (you do remember that verbal and physical abuse is illegal, regardless of the age of the people involved, right?).

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Male 3,255
"A wet nurse or midwife needs to be female because other women feel more comfortable when a women is in their intimate space."

A cheerleader needs to be female because men feel more comfortable when a women is in their team`s corner gyrating.

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Male 848
"it is what it is"
Like I said, things can change.

I don;t see how you can understand that an enforced gendered role is wrong and then so happily rollover and let it happen.
gender roles can be fought and are fought.
Fighting the majority is how important changes happen, little by little.

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Male 3,255
I personally say let him be a cheerleader, because, well, drat cheerleaders. They and the people who expect them to be young attractive women are drating brainless morons.

But it is what it is. Not saying it`s right, I`m saying it`s drating pointless. It`s moot. Cheerleading is retarded and pointless.

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Male 2,796
my grammar is horrible today...
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Male 848
A wet nurse or midwife needs to be female because other women feel more comfortable when a women is in their intimate space. That`s it.

Being female does need to be part of being a midwife.
Being female does NOT need to be part of cheerleading.

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Male 2,850
"Well, the entire point to cheerleading is being an attractive woman in short clothing"

Funny, I thought the entire point of CHEERLEADING was to LEAD the CHEER.

Why are breasts and a vagina critical to getting a crowd of spectators cheering?

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Male 126
this is totally ridiculous and a waste of congressional time if it gets that far. I understand that discrimination is bad and being latino i have felt it all im saying is that sometimes you have to look at whats best for everyone and letting someone put themselves on display like that is just going to make things worse i understand he has a right to do whatever but lets be serious for a second and if that was your child regardless of want to do anything dont you feel you should help them not get made fun of or beaten up at school?
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Male 848
Zerocyde, a cheerleader does not need to be those things.
Those things are not vital to being a cheerleader.

Leading the cheer is vital to being a cheer leader.
Question why. Things change. Stop being ignorant.

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Male 2,796
Musuko: Gender apparently is part of this discussion. The paries involved made it part of the discussion and most everyone on this thread made gender part of this discussion. And if you disagree, then I am making it part of the discussion right now. That`s what discussions or arguments are all about. You want to debate something, then fine, but don`t try to negate something jsut because you want to negate it. Closing your eyes to the facts doesn`t make them go away.

The fact is he is male and arguably most people have a problem with a male acting in a capacity traditionally filled by females.

The role of a male cheerleader is not to act saucy, cute or sexually sugestive in order to motivate a crowd. If you don`t believe me, ask yourself why the NFL doesn`t hire male cheerleaders.... because it is not appealing to the people that pay! It`s not popular whjile sexy women are. That`s just the way it is... no excaping it.

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Male 3,255
A cheerleader is a young, attractive woman in short clothing who cheers.

If he gets to be a cheerleader then I wanna be a wet nurse.

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Male 2,850
"Well, the entire point to cheerleading is being an attractive woman in short clothing"

Funny, I thought the entire point of CHEERLEADING was to LEAD the CHEER.

Why are breasts and a vagina critical to getting a crowd of spectators cheering?

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Female 1,798
"He do not have the physical traits the job requires. Sometimes, even if it seems unfair, you have to just go with it. Penises do not make babies. "

That is probably the dumbest comment I have seen on this thread all day.

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Male 2,850
"No... instead I think some societal norms are acceptable and should stay acceptable."

Why? Of what benefit to society is it to restrict the potential talent pool for many occupations to only half of the population?

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Male 848
Once again you`re not questioning things.
Stop taking things at face value. Question everything you see. Ask `Why?`

Segregating the genders and forcing them to stay in arbitrary gender roles is discrimination.
Simple as that.
I can`t see why you don`t think forcing people into gender roles is sexist.
That`s practically the definition of sexism.

You are advocating enforcing something because it`s traditional.
That is flawed logic.
It used to be traditional to hang black people if they dared to speak up. Does that sound good to you?

What`s wrong with pom poms or skirts on men?
Once again you;re enforcing gender stereotypes onto people for no other reason than "tradition"
Bullpoo.

In this case the guy doesn;t fit into the aesthetic of cheerleading, however you aren`t mentioning that.
You are making a deal out of the fact he is male.
What if an athletic male wanted pom poms and to do the same moves as the others?
There`s no good reason

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Male 3,255
"So unless your genes or your genitals are important in cheerleading, gender isn`t part of this discussion."

Well, the entire point to cheerleading is being an attractive woman in short clothing so... yea, I would definitely say that genitals and genes have everything to do with cheerleading.

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Male 2,850
@splurbyburbl:

"First off, Men and Women are different no matter how you want to spin or twist it."

Remember that old saying; everyone is different? The only differences that you can catagorically say exists between ALL men and ALL women is that they have different sexual organs and a different arrangement of chromosomes (and even those two are murky in a lot of situations; hermaphrodites and chromosome doubling springs to mind).

So unless your genes or your genitals are important in cheerleading, gender isn`t part of this discussion.

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Male 2,796
BTW... I am going to go apply for the job of Midwife today. You peeps wish me luck! I am sure all the pregnant ladies want me, a man, all up in their personal space while they are pregnant, etc. I am sure that it would be discrimination if I am qualified, but get denied the position.

No... instead I think some societal norms are acceptable and should stay acceptable.

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Male 26
"It`s comments like this that keep this society gendered to believe that "women should do x, men should do x." who the hell says that men should ONLY lift and women should ONLY grind and look like skanks in short skirts?"

Typical Female response.

Cheerleaders. What`s their purpose? I say to get the sports players hyped up, and then the crowd as well. But are the players going to want to see a mentally challenged gay man hopping about and cheering for them? That`d just be terrible for moral.

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Male 3,255
Yea, keith2!

Try going a bit further, say 150 million years...
"How about not being a Archaeopteryx in Caudipteryx territory. You`re just asking for it"

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Male 3,619
He do not have the physical traits the job requires. Sometimes, even if it seems unfair, you have to just go with it. Penises do not make babies.
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Male 2,796
Taintteddeity: I stand by my argument. I don`t think it`s sexist to say a boy should not be filling the shoes of what is traditionally a girls role. He wants pom-poms and a uniform. The uniform is ok, if he got a male uniform ( I hope he doesn`t expect a skirt...) but I would stop at the pom-poms. He wants to be one of the girls... but he is a guy, so he can be a MALE cheerleader and do what MALE cheerleaders normally do. I don`t think that`s discrimination.

It would be the same as if I wanted to scream discrimination if Hooters didn`t let me be a waitress just because I am gay, retarded and want to be one of the girls. (which actually happened.) No way, there is an image to keep and a task to perform. You can`t motivate a crowd when the crowd is instead wondering who the fat, slow, ugly, retarded boy with the pom-poms is.

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Male 848
@keith2
Just transport yourself 30 years ago for me...
"How about not being a black person in America. You`re just asking for it"

Try going a bit further, say 70 years...
"How about not being an independent woman. You`re just asking for it"

And just come back to the present for me
"How about not being a homophobic douchecanoe. You`re just asking for it"

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Female 1,798
"um.. how about not being a gay male cheerleader? you`re just asking for it."

asking for discrimination because of his sexual orientation and desire to do something that makes him happy?

we really are living in a screwed up world....

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Male 218
The saddest thing is that gays (ahem... we) are the most discriminating people.
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Female 1,798
"Wow I know its technically discrimination but c`mon... Cheerleaders are supposed to be hot, young women and yeah he doesn`t fit... Who wants to see this guy grinding or shaking his hips.."

It`s comments like this that keep this society gendered to believe that "women should do x, men should do x." who the hell says that men should ONLY lift and women should ONLY grind and look like skanks in short skirts?

If this kid wants to do his thing with the girls, then he should be allowed to. screw societal norms, let the kid have some happiness.

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Male 2,591
um.. how about not being a gay male cheerleader? you`re just asking for it.
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Male 3,255
Hey, that`s my local news! I`m in Spokane though.
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Female 895
...He didn`t sound slow to me.
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Female 519
Wow I know its technically discrimination but c`mon... Cheerleaders are supposed to be hot, young women and yeah he doesn`t fit... Who wants to see this guy grinding or shaking his hips.. and what splurdy said below.. Male cheerleaders tend to do the heavy lifting etc not the sexy grinding part.

I know its his dream bla bla bla but If I was one of those girls I don`t think i`d want him on the team either..

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Female 1,798
poor kid :(
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Male 848
@splurbyburbl

You`ve pretty much just said "Girls do X so girls should do X"
Think `Why?` actually analyse what the hell you`re talking about. Saying "it has always been this way so it will continue" is drating bullpoo.
It`s also bullpoo to say that the male cheerleaders are the ones who do throws and catches, female cheerleaders are just as good at them because they learn to do them.
Sure, a male might have an advantage if they begin stronger but regular cheerleading will cause the females to be just as good.

I`m not even going to comment on that "girls role if he is not a girl" bullpoo.

In this specific case he may not be fit enough to do some of the more athletic moves so he may not be entirely suitable for the cheerleading team, however if a male who was more athletic wanted to fill in "the girls role" as you put it, what`s to stop them?
Nothing apart from sexism.

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Male 31
Maybe he`s just...bad at it? Even when just moving his arms, he didn`t seem to keep up all that well. If he`d been a skinny chick, he probably would have gotten kicked off due to a lack of coordination. They probably kept him on with the intention of avoiding discrimination accusations.
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Male 190
maybe hes just not very good

my guess is that they let him try out just like they let anyone try out

and he probably just isn`t that good, and if thats the case just because hes handicapped gay etc etc shouldn`t even come into it, seems to me like him and his mum are just listing off his problems to get his own way. Some people arn`t ment to be cheerleaders, life isn`t fair, get over it.

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Male 2,796
This is a case of a principal and a public school system being so worried about being politically correct and not getting sued that they forgot how to use common sense. You can tell the Principal was drating baffled by the whole thing. What she wanted to say was, "The mother is setting her retarded child up for failure and she should help him to achieve more practical goals."
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Male 2,796
I disagree with the whole damn thing. Both the Mother as well as the school are all wrong.

First off, Men and Women are different no matter how you want to spin or twist it. Cheerleading is traditionally done by mostly women while being backed up by male cheerleaders with the muscle and fortitude to catch, throw and support. If he wants to be a cheerleader... he can be a male cheerleader and act in those capacities. There is nothing wrong with that. However, he wants to be a "girl" cheerleader... but he is not a girl! There is no discrimination here.

It`s not discrimination if you tell a person he cannot fill a girls roll if he is not a girl. Especially if the aforementioned roll is always filled by women. Just tell the retard it`s not appropriate and move on.

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Female 876
He`s not a hott skinny chick, which is what all cheerleaders are. They have standards. They`re also bitches.
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Female 254
I have a feeling he`s going to spend the majority of his life fighting discrimination.
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Male 216
in denial much?
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Male 2,551
Link: Teen Cheerleader Claims Discrimination? [Rate Link] - Gay, mentally handicapped, biracial, male cheerleader claims he is discriminated against. Not from Onion.
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