Christians Sully Wiccan Site at Air Force School

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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/02/03/christians-desecrate-wiccan-religious-site-at-air-force-academy/

An evangelical Christian group desecrated a Wiccan worship site with a big cross. Expect lots of witch spells over this.
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Male 7,378
"By far way more Christian churches have been vandalized, burned, and even blown up than any other religion`s sites here in America."
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And you get these stats from the Redneck Gazette? I`m pretty certain that here in the US most desecration goes on at synagogues. Stop trying to gain sympathy for Christians just because you are one.
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Female 50
i do find it odd that christianity actually uses a symbol of death as their main symbol. but i suppose i understand it.
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Female 50
in all honesty, a true wiccan would have accepted the cross, and possibly invited people to bring other religious symbols. wicca is not about closed-mindedness to other religions; in fact, it embraces them all, as long as they do no harm to others.
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Female 26
Religion fooks everyone up.
Even on I-A-B.
How sad.
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Male 820
[quote]Actually, I believe they`d just get out the vacuum, clean it up, get together afterward and pray for those that did it.[/quote]

Do that here, in eastern Tennessee...,
I`ll give you the most probable situation for that. (note, I`m using my father`s previous actions to base this off of.)

1) he finds the pentagram
2) he calls the police to take photos and find how they got in
3) clean up the pentagram
4) he attempts to hunt down those who did it.
5) talk about it for hours on end to people about how it`s an "Evil witchcraft conspiracy"
6) get a minor hint at who did it
7) tell everyone at the church it was them, in no uncertain terms
8) annoy the living hell out of the police to get them to arrest them
9) claim "God moved everyone into action"
10) ignore the fact that he is a bully using his church as weight behind his demands.

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Male 17,512
Btw, There was an old German church out in the country that used to get vandalized regularly by kids. It had a star in stained glass above the door. Boys took their GFs there and tell them it was a satanic church (Which it wasn`t) to scare them. "Der HERR ist mein Hirte" was painted below the glass as well. Unfortunately young ignorant kids thought that was satanic. It made local news a few times, But the church members never sued the families of the kids. However, The county judge made one group of them clean off the graffiti and repair the damage.

By far way more Christian churches have been vandalized, burned, and even blown up than any other religion`s sites here in America.

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Male 2,229
interesting read, but the commentator`s comments trend lean towards repetition of veiw
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Male 17,512
Christians saying "just remove it" would be crying bloody murder were someone to chalk a satanic circle on the floor of their church.

Actually, I believe they`d just get out the vacuum, clean it up, get together afterward and pray for those that did it.

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Male 17,512
"if a Star of David was placed on a Christian site, would they just move it? I don`t think so."

Actually there are `Stars of David` in some Christian cemeteries and I`ve heard no complaints.

I`ve seen Masonic symbols, Muslim crescents, and even a Pentagram on headstones in a Christian cemetery.

I seriously don`t see most Christians getting `bent out of shape` over a Star of David, and if some did they`d just move it elsewhere.

Your acting like the cross would harm them in some wayby trying to move it, Do you think they`ll catch on fire ? Lol!

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Male 74
"/me high fives any other Buddhists or Taoists reading this silly argument, we chose religions that get to avoid this nonsense!

So who wants popcorn? Christians, Atheists, Muslims, and some Wiccans and Jews, you don`t get any, you`re the entertainment, not the audience."
Way to empirically contradict yourself.

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Female 876
Hate crimes FTW.

Way to be non-nice individuals, "Christians".

...Pricks.

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Male 302
These people make religion look bad..
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Male 1,505
"I wonder what would happen if the Wiccan students chopped the cross into logs and burned it in a celebratory bonfire. Would anyone be upset? And if so, I wonder why?"

^This wins.

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Male 39
<i>But religion itself is not the core, the attitude is present in politics, among sports fans, among movie and music fans, etc...

Ignorance is the problem.</i>

Don`t agree with the sports part, if there were no other sports fans who would i throw beer on during the game?

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Female 122
I wonder what would happen if the Wiccan students chopped the cross into logs and burned it in a celebratory bonfire. Would anyone be upset? And if so, I wonder why?
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Male 1,106
Christians, listen. Yes, we believe that other religions are incorrect in their beliefs... but we need to stop being afraid of them, and using un-Christian-like behavior against them. You`re making it worse, not better.
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Male 4,290
[quote]/me high fives any other Buddhists or Taoists reading this silly argument, we chose religions that get to avoid this nonsense!

So who wants popcorn? Christians, Atheists, Muslims, and some Wiccans and Jews, you don`t get any, you`re the entertainment, not the audience.[/quote]

Your faith does not "avoid this nonsense", it just happens to be irrelevant to this particular discussion. Should a topic about reincarnation, life after death, multiple lives, cosmic justice systems such as karma, or anything related to your beliefs come up, I`ll be happy to discuss them.

Incidentally, how many karma points do you lose for smug self-satisfaction and considering yourself superior to others? Gotta be at least 10.

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Male 4,290
[quote]So, Christians are haters? Tell you what, Farty, why don`t you go over to Saudi Arabia and build a Wiccan prayer site there? Then let me know how that works out for you -- that is if they don`t beat you like a rented mule first for driving a car or going outside without a male family member and a burka.[/quote]

This example is irrelevant. Sharia Law being intolerant of other religions does not preclude Christianity from also being intolerant.
It is not OK to do something bad just because someone else does something worse.

And I can see why Wiccans would be offended by this. All the Christians saying "just remove it" would be crying bloody murder were someone to chalk a satanic circle on the floor of their church.

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Male 7,378
Our military has been taken over by religious nutjobs.
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Male 299
@McGovern1981:
No, that would be awesome.
Be sure to youtube it!
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Male 14,331
Would it be considered desecration to answer the door naked and preach the power of satan to jehovah witnesses? I can`t stand when they show up.
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Female 1,077
"I don`t recall any atheists defacing anything."

i always considered myself a passive-aggressive atheist. i only deface pride.

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Male 3,327
"All that was done was the placing of a wooden cross ?, Seriously ? It was burnt or on fire ?

That`s really not desecration, Just move it."

And if a Star of David was placed on a Christian site, would they just move it? I don`t think so. The golden rule, a Christian concept if I`m not mistaken, is to treat others the way you want to be treated. If you want your holy sites respected, you have to respect others` holy sites. Even "just a wooden cross" is desecration.

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Male 3,327
"The problem here is the ignorant "I`m right, everyone else is wrong" attitude. Sadly, most religions encourage that attitude. But the human race will never mature as a species until we lose that attitude."

The truth is that most likely, you are wrong, whoever you are, myself included. There are just too many options out there. Too many people saying that they are right. Even if you stick with one religious base, say Christianity, you still have too many choices. You could be a Catholic, Presbyterian, Protestant, and so on. They all have different believes, but worship the same God. They can`t all be right. Even if we assume that one group has it right, all the rest are wrong. Have faith that you are right, folks, but be willing to accept that you are wrong, and let others go about their day having their faith that they are wrong.

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Male 3,327
"So who wants popcorn? Christians, Atheists, Muslims, and some Wiccans and Jews, you don`t get any, you`re the entertainment, not the audience."

Why are Atheists the audience. We trump you all. We bypass all of it by not having any religion. I don`t recall any atheists defacing anything.

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Male 674
/me high fives any other Buddhists or Taoists reading this silly argument, we chose religions that get to avoid this nonsense!

So who wants popcorn? Christians, Atheists, Muslims, and some Wiccans and Jews, you don`t get any, you`re the entertainment, not the audience.

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Male 20
The problem here is the ignorant "I`m right, everyone else is wrong" attitude. Sadly, most religions encourage that attitude. But the human race will never mature as a species until we lose that attitude.

Actually, most Christians I know are really cool folks who keep their beliefs to themselves, it`s just the obnoxious few who give all of them a bad image. Same goes for other religions.

But religion itself is not the core, the attitude is present in politics, among sports fans, among movie and music fans, etc...

Ignorance is the problem.

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Male 1,399
Wait wait wait....they "desecrated" the site by leaning a cross on a rock?

Desecration brings to mind destruction, pissing, defecating, burning....not a couple of sticks nailed together that could easily be chucked off the site.

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Male 39
The best part about this site is reading these forums, you guys always make me smile. :)
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Male 2,306
dooflotchie:

Oooh, me likey kitty cat. :D

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Male 2,306
Smileyguy: The difference is that I don`t give a damn if I am wrong about some things if I`m right about most of the things that matter, ie religion.
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Male 17,512
When I heard the site was `Desecrated`, Was picturing spray paint graffiti or damage to the site.

All that was done was the placing of a wooden cross ?, Seriously ? It was burnt or on fire ?

That`s really not desecration, Just move it.

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Male 3,301
One religion attacking another. I`m pretty sure that this has been going down for, oh I don`t know, millenia? At least they don`t kill eachother nowadays.

Yet.

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Male 25,417
Silly people! no comment!
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Male 74
simrankhann why the [email protected] are you spamming that [email protected] ass sh!!t?

We need a link to report these idiots!

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Male 127
since religion won`t just vanish, how bout we aim for a world without the hackneyed atheist banter? I guess there`s a much better chance of religion vanishing...
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Male 10,440
[quote] All the people who hate religion are thinking the same thing these Christians were thinking about the wiccans. [/quote]

Nope.

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Male 1,793
All religions are wrong... 6000 year old earth, spacemen, virgins, whatever... It would be a much better world without gods and their worshipers
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Male 731
As an Apatheist, I disagree with any religion or lack thereof that performs any action of hate, disrespect or ill-being against any other human.

As Bill Maher once said, "Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don`t have all the answers to think that they do."

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Male 367
All the people who hate religion are thinking the same thing these Christians were thinking about the wiccans.
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Male 388
Idiots hating idiots. Religion is retarded.
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Male 3,255
@OldOllie

Ollie is right, some other religions treat people worse than Christians do.

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Male 3,255
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Male 15,832
tenty "Is anyone keeping track of the amount of religions that are made up in America?"

Yeah, pretty all of them, except, of course, the ones that were made up elsewhere.

Fartacus "Why are Christians such haters?"

So, Christians are haters? Tell you what, Farty, why don`t you go over to Saudi Arabia and build a Wiccan prayer site there? Then let me know how that works out for you -- that is if they don`t beat you like a rented mule first for driving a car or going outside without a male family member and a burka.

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Female 336
Ugh. Religion. *eyeroll*

I can`t tell you how often I worry about the fact that if the human race as a whole does not let go of the ridiculous, mindless and dangerous belief in religion we are doomed to extinction. Preventable, unnecessary and entirely self-made extinction.

I can`t say I`ve never thought that maybe it`s a fate our species deserves.

SPrinkZ said:
"Respecting religion to me is like respecting someone for having a completely wrong idea.

I just can`t do it. I will correct someone`s batpoo insane thoughts every single chance I get."

I love you.

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Male 1,452
I hope you guys realise; I have been watching this entire flame war go down whilst giggling like a school girl
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Male 118
If I were the devil, I would create the bible, the torah, and the koran. Then I would take a vacation and let the good people do my dirty work.
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Male 928
That`s exactly as mature as putting a pentagram in a church.
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Female 1,682
Ugh. Evangelicals are the worst. They are so insane. My step-grandmother was one. I remember walking in with Harry Potter and her LITERALLY screaming bible quotes and sh*t at me. She also wouldnt let her other grandchildren read any fantasy books, or watch cartoons. Also, for a good look at some as well, take a look at "Jesus Camp" pretty interesting >_>
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Male 820
[quote]And on that note I would also like to say some people replying to this thread need to learn some manners tolerance and respect towards other people... It doesnt make you look good or big or clever it makes you look ignorant and reflects badly on how you were brought up if you cant even show another human being the simple act of respect for their beliefs.

Oh and please dont reproduce!
The world has enough ignorant hate filled people already thanks![/quote]

First off, what part of religion should I respect? The ancient text written by nomads? the general hatred for other religions?

Why should [quote]I[/quote] give up my personal belief that it`s all horsepoo so they won`t get offended? they don`t offer me the same courtesy.

I also find it humorous that after you go "BE TOLERANT TO OTHERS!" you then go "don`t reproduce, you`re idiots for not allowing huge groups to be delusional"

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Male 124
@SPrinkZ

Remember, someone out there is just as set to correct your thoughts.

Karma`s a bitch my friend and she likes it rough. She won`t even give you the choice of "Lube" or "No Lube".

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Male 2,306
Respecting religion to me is like respecting someone for having a completely wrong idea.

I just can`t do it. I will correct someone`s batpoo insane thoughts every single chance I get.

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Female 124
And on that note I would also like to say some people replying to this thread need to learn some manners tolerance and respect towards other people... It doesnt make you look good or big or clever it makes you look ignorant and reflects badly on how you were brought up if you cant even show another human being the simple act of respect for their beliefs.

Oh and please dont reproduce!
The world has enough ignorant hate filled people already thanks!

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Female 124
I believe in bits and pieces of quite a few religions but try to respect everyones religious standing, in my eyes making a negative comment on someone elses religion is simply bad manners. This behaviour of putting a Christian symbol in a Wiccan place of worship is something I am sure their God would definitely not approve of.
"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"
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Male 474
One of, if not the most important factors that define a religion is conversion. Some people are so enamored with this mission they go to extremes.

If you ask a typical american christian why this is done, your answer will most likely be something like this:

"Because jesus told his deciples to go forth and preach to the gentiles"

Here`s what that passage ACTUALLY says:

Matthew 10:5
Those twelve jesus sent forth, and commanded them saying, "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, or into the city of the Samaratins, but go instead to lost sheep of israel."

Jesus was a revolutionary Jew. He wanted to change Judaism, not the world. Somewhere, someone got the wrong idea...

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Male 1,505
/popcorn
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Male 15,510
They are just so sully
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Female 68
<<Your Local Normal Sweater-Vest-Wearing Wiccan,
Hylian4Hire>>

A sweater vest! You are NOT normal.
;)

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Female 2,289
"That`s nice and all, Hylian4Hire, but Wicca is still a load of horsesh*t."

I disagree


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Female 2,289
Christians are really starting to push my buttons.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Listen, guys, especially Piepig and Max Normal... it`s hard being Wiccan in a world where most "Wiccans" are nothing but LARPers and goth kids who end up dropping it like piano lessons. Becoming Wiccan takes years of study, practice, and discipline. Most people go out and buy a pentagram from Hot Topic... it took me 18 years to EARN mine, it was passed down from my mother to me. It`s easy to sh** on a religion when it`s not yours, but trust me, not all of us are "ignorant escapists". I`m not.[/quote]

That`s nice and all, Hylian4Hire, but Wicca is still a load of horsesh*t.

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Male 8,302
> alk3v
> Not true (re China apparently imprisons and executes all Christian missionaries and those practicing it)

Agreed. Feelgood God-Loves-You evangelical Christians have been spouting this BS for years because it makes them feel good to send missionaries to the `poor ignorant masses` of China. You can`t just admit you want to be a tourist, you have to get your local congregation to pay the expenses AND make yourself out to be a selfless courageous martyr risking death in the process.

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Male 1,625
Christians at it again eh?

yep.

My advice, bring a shovel. And a towel. It`s going to be a long day, and it`s gonna get messy.

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Female 328
Listen, guys, especially Piepig and Max Normal... it`s hard being Wiccan in a world where most "Wiccans" are nothing but LARPers and goth kids who end up dropping it like piano lessons. Becoming Wiccan takes years of study, practice, and discipline. Most people go out and buy a pentagram from Hot Topic... it took me 18 years to EARN mine, it was passed down from my mother to me. It`s easy to sh** on a religion when it`s not yours, but trust me, not all of us are "ignorant escapists". I`m not.

Your Local Normal Sweater-Vest-Wearing Wiccan,
Hylian4Hire

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Male 9,305
Ever hear of the Rule of Three? (Fairly sure it`s Wiccan based.)

Whatever you put out into the universe comes back to you three times stronger.

So make sure it`s all good, guys.

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Female 529
Why are Christians such haters?
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Male 339
"China apparently imprisons and executes all Christian missionaries and those practicing it. I`m voting China more messed up than Japan."

Not true. I grew up there. Sounds like some good ol` American Faux News propaganda to me.

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Male 5,314
yay religion, you`ve done it again.
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Male 10,440
[quote] Why can`t people just let others practice whatever religion they want to practice in peace?[/quote]

Cuz` they`re both dumb.

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Female 721
"Why can`t people just let others practice whatever religion they want to practice in peace? Some people have no respect."

Because a good number of religions worldwide believe THEY are the right one, everyone else is wrong, and therefore they should either die for being a heathen or be subject to getting raped by pamphlets.

China apparently imprisons and executes all Christian missionaries and those practicing it. I`m voting China more messed up than Japan.

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Male 820
[quote]Why can`t people just let others practice whatever religion they want to practice in peace? Some people have no respect.[/quote]

Religions haven`t earned my respect.

[quote]The second someone desecrate a Christian establishment, it is all about religious intolerance. If Christians desecrate other religious sites...they look at it as doing god`s work.[/quote]

My father thinks like that. he`ll demand that the government stay out of healthcare, and to let him make his own choices about his health..., then demand that abortions be outlawed. (just one of many, many examples there.)

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Male 39
How do we know the Christians placed the cross there? Maybe it belongs to some other religious group that uses a cross, I blame the Scientologist. If you read closely Tom cruise had been on campus a week before, this is obviously a plot to get the republicans back into power to expedite the return of a resurrected zombie robot Hitler.
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Male 182
The second someone desecrate a Christian establishment, it is all about religious intolerance. If Christians desecrate other religious sites...they look at it as doing god`s work.

Funny how this works, eh?

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Female 718
Why can`t people just let others practice whatever religion they want to practice in peace? Some people have no respect.
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Male 1,452
stupid dagger is really on a tear of douchebaggery
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Male 425
Is anyone keeping track of the amount of religions that are made up in America?
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Male 12,138
vv I lol`d
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Male 500
"What I want to know is how do you know you want to become a eh... Wiccan? Piepig"

Exactly the same as becoming a christian. Find a bunch of ignorant credulous escapists. Go to where they "worship" or cast "spells" (pray) and make it obvious you are a complete numpty who can be easily brainwashed. Alternatively be one of the children of a christian or wiccan and be indoctrinated before you are old enough to think for yourself or know any better. If you can`t find a local wiccan coven or church, try your local LARP, trekkies, furries or D&D club.

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Male 7,814
is anybody really surprised?
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Male 1,523
What I want to know is how do you know you want to become a eh... Wiccan?

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Male 674
"The Middle Eastern death cult that practices ritual cannibalism strikes again.

Xians are a disgusting bunch of self-righteous fools. Maybe they are upset at the fact that Neo-Paganism is growing faster than their death centered cult."

Wow, someone took this a bit too personally....

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Male 716
Every religion has its idiots.

Christians, just being a larger religion, have more.

Yes, they are annoying. But Christians aren`t doing this. People are.

I for one, Christian though I may be technically be, embrace the Wiccans.

Crosses might actually play a part somewhere in Wicca... I`ll have to check that one out.

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Male 712
Really mature, guys. I think the Wiccans should now be allowed to pop a pentacle up on the chapel now.
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Male 2,796
It`s ok to persecute so long as we are not the ones being persecuted... That is the mentality. These fools obviously don`t realize their religion is largely based of Pagan ideas and Wiccan beliefs are similar.
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Male 820
..., Wow, my dad would do something like that.

That is a bad thing, a very, very bad thing.

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Female 82
Well its the thought that matters I suppose, at least they didn`t leave a flaming bag of poo at their doorstep
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Female 120
I second that OldOllie
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Male 1,190
The Middle Eastern death cult that practices ritual cannibalism strikes again.

Xians are a disgusting bunch of self-righteous fools. Maybe they are upset at the fact that Neo-Paganism is growing faster than their death centered cult.

Blessed Be, so mote it be.
They shall learn the threefold law.

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Male 674
Lets see here... Muslims go off and blow themselves up, Christians go off and be dicks....
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Male 15,832
This could have been obnoxious Christians, or it could have been someone trying to make Christians look bad. We may never know which, but regardless of their motives. I`m not going to condemn anyone except the specific person(s) who actually did this.
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Male 601
Although I despise the evangelical types, I don`t like how obviously bias this post is.
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Male 299
Link: Christians Sully Wiccan Site at Air Force School [Rate Link] - An evangelical Christian group desecrated a Wiccan worship site with a big cross. Expect lots of witch spells over this.
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