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134 Responses to Woman Kills Son, Self at Gun Range [Video]

  1. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
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    January 28, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    Link: Woman Kills Son, Self at Gun Range - A security camera from inside a gun range shows a Florida woman shoot her son because she wanted him to go to heaven.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:08 am
    Really old. But really true.
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    apermal Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Not really. She was mentally ill. At some point, even being an atheist, there would have been anything that would been her reason to shoot.
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    apermal Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:14 am
    And yeah, what`s with the bizarrely old news as a post?
  5. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:21 am
    What does her killing people have to do with religion?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:22 am
    Agreed. How can anyone feel safe with these religious lunatics surrounding us? From Osama bin Laden to Dr. Tillers killer to this batpoo crazy broad. Religion destroys lives.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Whilst I am most definitely an avowed atheist, and I disapprove of much religion, I am afraid that this happened because the woman was mentally unbalanced. She would have done the same, or similar no matter what her belief- she would have phrased the notes differently.
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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Nope. No one has ever killed a family member in cold blood for any reason that they did not attempt to explain in language tinged with religious tones.

    Well, except that one guy feautured in Esquire the other month who`s on death row for killing his family... strangled his wife during sex, you know. Oh, and threw two of the kids into a river with bags of rocks tied on. While they were asleep. Because he couldn`t bring himself to own up to his family and tell everyone he was a failure.

    But he`s probably the only one.

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    fxckingbored Male 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:24 am
    If you`re f`d up in the head, you`re f`d up in the head. Don`t blame religion.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Woman was crazy doesent matter if she was religous or not. Murder and suicide are both against religon poor show IAB
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    Farsidedown Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Sure there are religious nuts who pull crap like this, but they`re far outweighed by those who actually follow some of the actual core tenets of most religions and go out and get involved in service projects(missions) and programs like the Salvation Army. I think that makes them better than the atheists who do nothing but sit around and troll christians.

    Oh and she was mentally ill, so of course let`s blame it all on religion. So yes, if she was an atheist she may have ended up doing something like this anyways.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:33 am
    madest = owned. Even athiests agree that if she was an athiest, her son would be worm food just the same.
  13. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    There are just as many psychotic atheists out there.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    I wouldn`t blame religion, but I would blame people who don`t UNDERSTAND religion. Isn`t there something in the Bible about "love your neighbor" and "thou shalt not kill"?
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    Afromeister Male 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Whoop for atheism! (I just thought I would make my views known :D)
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    Sigon Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Personally I feel that the Atheists need to leave the religious alone and the religious need to stop preaching to the atheists...would be a lot better that way...both sides go back to your corners and leave the other alone already...all the religion bashing on this website gets old...fast..thats not so much directed to the mods of the site...but more to the community
  17. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    There are just as many psychotic atheists out there.

    No there aren`t.

    This video shows the main reasons why I hate America/Americans, guns, religion and stupidity.

    Since she took out her son, I think this qualifies for a Darwin award.

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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Nuts!!!!
  19. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Uhm, yes there is. It`s just whenever an atheist commits a hideous crime, no one cries "OMG IT`S TOTES CAUSE THEY`RE ATHEIST".
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    She had a history of mental illness. There is no reason to believe Christianity or ANY religion had anything to do with this. And even if she claimed to follow a religion, I`m pretty sure her admission ticket to heaven of any sort is void now, because if you actually believe/ follow a religion (rather than just claiming to), you would not do this. I think this is a no-no no matter who you worship.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    ...this really needs to stop.
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    TheGosus Male 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    LazyMe484

    You shouldn`t be so quick to generalize. I could just as easily say all Canadians are nothing more than bitter and baseless anti-American people, but that wouldn`t be a fair representation. Also, even though there are fanatics in religions or most groups for that matter, something like this suggests mental illness outside of religion (if you want to call it a mental illness.)

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    beccajdavis Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    LazyMe:

    You hate all Americans? Why? That`s pretty drated up; you don`t even know me!

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    bex753 Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    anybody who believes in the rapture has a mental illness
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    or, you just sent you both too nothing.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    "No there aren`t.

    This video shows the main reasons why I hate America/Americans, guns, religion and stupidity.

    Since she took out her son, I think this qualifies for a Darwin award."

    yes there are, they just dont blame religion when they do something crazy. this has nothing to do with religion. she was unstable to begin with. if you dont understand that, i mean actually understand it, you shouldnt be talking about it.

    as for you hating america and american`s for this video, well that just makes you an idiot. because any rational person would look at this and not see two americans with guns. they would see someone with an obvious mental illness (according to family) murdering her son, because of said menta illness.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    madest = owned. Even athiests agree that if she was an athiest, her son would be worm food just the same.
    ------------
    I`m an Athiest and I don`t agree. When one believes in God they know that eternal treasures await their demise and nothing they do in this life matters so long as they merely ask for forgiveness.
  28. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    @bophus, No, a rational person would clearly see this as happening in America. Its pretty f-ing obvious.

    And no, there aren`t nearly as many atheist nutjobs by percentage or total number out there as there are religious ones.

    "You`re an idiot for hating America", well you`re an idiot for loving it. See how that leads nowhere?

    But I will concede that not all Americans are stupid, and that goes for the religious as well. I shouldn`t have generalized.

  29. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Guys, no personal attacks. Disagree all you want, that`s fine, but keep the name calling to a nonexistence.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    thats one crazy bitch
  31. Profile photo of wake_n_bake
    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    On a side note, one of the worst parts about IAB is all the country/religion bashing. No one`s going to change anyones ideas, all you`re going to do is offend people. Save your breath.
  32. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    I`d like to see some something that actually backs that up.
  33. Profile photo of SammyCyanide
    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    That happened like, right around where I live.
  34. Profile photo of Ani187
    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    How is it everything has turned into a debate lately? I don`t even like reading the comments anymore because all it is is "This is why I hate _____"
    Let`s focus on the actual post, crazy lady shoots son then self. How sad, for her family, for her son who was so young and now robbed of a future. How sad for the man in the booth next to them, he`s going to see that in his nightmares for a very, very long time.
  35. Profile photo of wake_n_bake
    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    and lazyme, not to feed the flames, but you seem extremely bigoted from your posts. thats how your representing yourself. I don`t see how saying "i hate americans" is any different from saying "i hate black people" or whatever
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    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    What gets me "the mother died in the hospital"
    they should have just let her die there.

    because, you know, she obviously wanted to die, just let her.

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    Lou-Saydus Male 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    /facepalm
  38. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Thats so fd up! whats happening to the world, a parent should never outlive there child!
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    Mooshoo Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Hehe, lazyme, you`re a racist my friend!!

    And FYI, I agree with you in one point: I too hate stupidity. Specially here! hoho

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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    and lazyme, not to feed the flames, but you seem extremely bigoted from your posts. thats how your representing yourself. I don`t see how saying "i hate americans" is any different from saying "i hate black people" or whatever

    Well you are feeding the flames. He has already said he should not generalize.. leave it alone.

    Anywho.. Damn.. that`s a crazy bitch. Memo to me: Never turn your back on someone with a gun.. even your own mother.

  41. Profile photo of Elle1987
    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Hehe, lazyme, you`re a racist my friend!!

    Erm American isn`t a race. If anything he is xenophobic by making those statements.. but not a racist.

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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    Thats so fd up! whats happening to the world, a parent should never outlive there child!

    LOL Well she didn`t.. not by more than a couple of hours anyway...

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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    DeJa vu. Not on this, not saying its a repost so lower your pitchforks and torches. IMO, some people shouldn`t have kids at all.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    People shoot themselves all the time at gun ranges to commit suicide. Its sad when crazy moms kill their kids then themselves. Just kill yourself, damnit!
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    i can`t watch this
  46. Profile photo of Mooshoo
    Mooshoo Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    @Elle1987 - How dare you say American isn`t a race? That`s so racist!!!! =)

    And btw, discrimination race assumes the existence of "race" itself. The US Government Human Genome Project indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types. Based on this evidence, "racial characteristics" logically cannot exist either, such as group differences in eye color or human hair color.

    And I should know, I`m a whale biologist.

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    adam432823 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    i really thought the video was going to show the pink mist. anyone who is holding off on watching have nothing to worry about, its a news clip.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    wow. for a second there I thought IAB had posted it`s first snuff film. Thank christ for that. Now i can get on with my life.
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    sinisterspid Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    that`s disgusting.
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    keg74 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Dam, that`s awful. Can you imagine if you were that poor guy next to them.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    A person`s beliefs only affect the content of one`s pathological delusions, not whether or not they will have them. Schizophrenia is a good example.
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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    RELIGION FOR THE WIN!!!
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    alchemist18 Female 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    Oh man!!! I wanted to see the splatter. This is just another "murder fir a religious cause because of a mental illness".
  54. Profile photo of ad4mc
    ad4mc Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    quick point..
    Why would anyone with some sort of sense let a person with a mental illness have gun ?
  55. Profile photo of HarryBalszak
    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    I don`t know if this is a repost, but it happened over a year ago.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    She is blonde, too
  57. Profile photo of ratmand
    ratmand Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    It was because of a mental illness, most people use their faith as an excuse to commit acts such as these. Religion is no more the cause then diaper rash.

    So anyone who thinks religion was the cause (unless Islam where it actually SAYS strike down nonbelievers) think a little bit more dynamically will ya?

    Jesus...

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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Who decided it was a good ideal to rent a gun to a woman with a history of mental illness anyway?

    Oh, I forgot. They said this took place in Florida. Now it all makes perfect sense.

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    pui Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    SHE TOTALLY DID THIS BECAUSE SHE IS BLONDE. There aren`t nearly as many brunette nutjobs by percentage or total number out there as there are blonde ones. It`s true because I said so.
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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    "It was because of a mental illness, most people use their faith as an excuse to commit acts such as these. Religion is no more the cause then diaper rash.

    So anyone who thinks religion was the cause (unless Islam where it actually SAYS strike down nonbelievers) think a little bit more dynamically will ya?

    Jesus..."

    Ooh, that was a good troll, just sliding in that little attack against Islam in there. But I`m on to you.

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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    Why are people saying that whoever posted this is trying to slant religion? She really did believe she was sending him to heaven. She was mentally ill. No where does it say "Woman kills son because of Christianity". People making assumptions...
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    Blutdurstig Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Why.. why Floridians? WHY must you do these things? It makes me feel bad that I`m living here. I`ll probably end up on this site in 10 years, I just know it. >.<
  63. Profile photo of OmgZelda
    OmgZelda Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    "SHE TOTALLY DID THIS BECAUSE SHE IS BLONDE. There aren`t nearly as many brunette nutjobs by percentage or total number out there as there are blonde ones. It`s true because I said so."

    And how many of those blonds are really brunettes? Hmm? Most, if not all, of the blonds I know are bottle blonds.

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    Kanashto Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    i hope she suffered
  65. Profile photo of pariahnola
    pariahnola Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    Pretty sure this is an old story from last year. I remember seeing this months ago
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    UrielElOsO Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    OMG... All I can say.
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    snottydyck Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    cool
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    -cyin Female 13-17
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    January 29, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    Well, at least her plan worked.
    People with a history of mental illness should not be allowed to come in contact with weapons.
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    thunderguy5 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 5:32 pm
    ::sigh:: when MY mom wanted ME to go to heaven, she just sent me church... This woman is, well how should I describe this... F^CKED UP!
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    bloostarfish Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    This is tragic.

    If I have a family member who`s not exactly of sound mind, I wouldn`t even bring her near a gun range.

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    fillemorte Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    what a crazy
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    AlewaresXD Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    What useful footage, censored and all. >_>
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    January 29, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    Cool, I did not know you could send ppl to heaven that way. I`ll make a note, right after I eat my son`s eyes
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    Brittttt Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    Lmao!
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    TypicalJerk Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    old?
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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    "It was because of a mental illness, most people use their faith as an excuse to commit acts such as these. Religion is no more the cause then diaper rash.
    So anyone who thinks religion was the cause (unless Islam where it actually SAYS strike down nonbelievers) think a little bit more dynamically will ya?

    Jesus..."

    Ooh, that was a good troll, just sliding in that little attack against Islam in there. But I`m on to you.

    I LOL`ed and spat out my coke..

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    Imshellshock Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    Guy sounds like he was crackin up
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    Religion is so good. Sending people to heaven through creative use of human ballistic technology all the time.
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    Samsonite219 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    hmm... i wonder if hes in heaven... either way that chick needs to burn in hell
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    Holy crap....that sucks :/
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    January 29, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    Wonder if that chubby guy ever went back to the range for target practice. I imagine being witness to something like that might make you pick a different hobby.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    Too bad there isn`t a heaven lady, gg.

    Target practice- you`re doing it wrong!

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    Uniform Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 10:29 pm
    I remember when this whole thing went down. I`ve driven past the place a few times. Thats Florida for ya....


    yay......

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    est87jmg Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 10:38 pm
    Wow I cant believe this video is on here. So this gun range/shop is seriously 5 minutes down the road from me. I went to a party about a month before that incident, I was filling beers by the keg and I filled that dude beer. My friends friend was dating the dudes sister. Shes normal though... Not crazy nor was the kid. small small world...
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    January 29, 2010 at 11:50 pm
    yay religion :-)
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 12:50 am
    [email protected]
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 1:00 am
    Madest says: "I`m an Athiest and I don`t agree. When one believes in God they know that eternal treasures await their demise and nothing they do in this life matters so long as they merely ask for forgiveness."

    Crazy lady says: "I need to send myself to hell".

    Crazy lady disagrees with your hypothesis.

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    scorpio28 Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 4:35 am
    Oh my. It`s Florida again. *puts paper bag over head* I need to move.
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    RawrXD Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 4:51 am
    Doesn`t the bible say something about not killing?
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    zafiras88 Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 5:05 am
    That`s why she stated she was sending herself to hell.

    She suffered from mental illness. Very sad story.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 6:32 am
    Don`t you get it? Believing in an invisible man in the sky is a mental illness. It causes conflict between reality and fantasy. It explains all the born-again Christians on death row.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 6:53 am
    g
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    IseeingI2I Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 7:30 am
    "Don`t you get it? Believing in an invisible man in the sky is a mental illness. It causes conflict between reality and fantasy. It explains all the born-again Christians on death row."

    I`m Christian and you don`t see me killing my son at a Florida gun range

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    meowmixx419 Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 7:48 am
    ya know, im beging to think that florida people are crazed spyco-paths. LOL!
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    lgm432 Male 13-17
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    January 30, 2010 at 7:53 am
    ...Sad, very sad...
  96. Profile photo of ohthedrama
    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:03 am
    Jeez. Madest: Your logic is just as flawed as Christian Fundamentalists. I honestly don`t know who is worse, you or them.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:14 am
    My logic is only flawed to believers.
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:27 am
    ah no... it`s not flawed cause you don`t see past your ego like most fundamentalists. You are more alike than you think.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:34 am
    "Don`t you get it? Believing in an invisible man in the sky is a mental illness. It causes conflict between reality and fantasy. It explains all the born-again Christians on death row."

    But it doesn`t explain the millions upon millions of people murdered by the atheist Stalin (23 million killed), or the atheist Mao (78 million killed), or the atheist Pol Pot (almost 2 million killed), or the atheist Kim Il Sung (over 1 and a half million killed). Does it, Brainiac?

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    AlienPoison5 Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:34 am
    Madest, your logic is just as flawed as Westboro Baptist Church. I`m not a believer by far but even I know the difference. Other than the crazies that will be out there, a true Christian doesn`t have a problem with separating reality from what you consider fantasy. They know that God is not going to do anything for them but watch. We have our own free will and our right to exercise it. What we do with our lives is our choice. It`s the time after death that is decided by God, with what you did with your life being the weighing factor in his decision. For you group all Christians in with this woman or Westboro; or people who group all Islamic with Al-Qaeda; or people who start hate issues because they can`t respect someone`s belief, like you, is not logic. It`s stupidity.
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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 8:54 am
    madest - This is absolutely NOTHING to do with faith, religion or a belief system. This has everything to do with a mental illness. Would you be so adamant if she killed her son so he could go to the Death Star? To live in a pineapple in the bottom of the sea? I think not. I`m not a religous person so don`t think that a Jesus freak is after you. Your logic IS flawed. Don`t use the rantings of a crazy woman to blame an entire group. That, my friend, is stereotyping and to a degree, racism.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 9:22 am
    @ SaintsFan. To state that this had NOTHING to do with religion ignores the facts of the case. Many horrible deeds are done in the name of God every day. To deny scientific fact and the quest for knowledge for a ritualized fantasy ending is absurd to me.
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    xcaitiebabie Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 9:22 am
    Why is it that you only bring Christians into it. Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, and many other religions worship a God of some sort. Are you saying that every single person with some sort of Faith has a mental illness? Maybe you are the one with the mental illness for not believing in anything. Actually you are more than likely a hypocrite and you do believe in something you have no control over. I for the longest time have been on the fence on my religion but honestly I am no longer afraid of it. If you have a problem with myself and others believing in a God, then you are the one with the problem. You can`t hate the whole world for believing in something. And all of those men on death row who are "born-again" as you say, they need something to believe in; they have nothing else to live for. Just because you don`t have faith does not mean that you can constantly bash ours. If you want to debate Religion I`m sure you can find some forums to that in.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 9:34 am
    This forum will do thanks.
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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 9:52 am

    @Jake_Justus:
    This is classic religious diversionary tactics. Somehow an unrelated counter argument proves the existence of an imaginary being and that its followers are somehow righteous.

    No, a better and more true point would be that not all religious people are mentally ill but some are, and can kill.
    Not all atheists are mentally ill, but some are, and can kill (like the examples you quoted).
    Mentally healthy atheists do not commit genocide, serial kill or start unnecessary wars.
    Otherwise mentally healthy (but indoctrinated) religious people WILL and FREQUENTLY DO murder and start wars in the name of their religion.

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    steelman Male 13-17
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    January 30, 2010 at 10:03 am
    Wow she is a bitch
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 10:18 am
    This wasn`t religions fault...I mean, I am not religious at all. But blaming this on religion is just stupid. Its the fu*cking insane lady. She obviously has a mental illness, and I assume in /her/ mind this was a completely normal thing to do. A normal sane religious person would never do this, I can assure you. Only people who are messed up in the head would. End of story.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 11:48 am
    Yeah, no, religion can`t be blamed for this poo. It can be blamed for a lot of fcuked up poo, but not this. She could have just as easily got caught up in The Matrix and murdered her son so she wouldn`t morph into an Agent. If there were a Church brainwashing mothers to murder their sons, and a whole group of them did it, then yeah, I`d say find the fcukers responsible and lock `em up. But this is pretty clearly a case of someone experiencing a severe psychotic break incorporating religious beliefs into her diseased mind in order to rationalize a horrific act.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    January 30, 2010 at 11:49 am
    What? S-h-!-t gets turned to poo? WTF, the posts on this site often have NSFW language- why can`t the comments? I`ve never understood that.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    "But it doesn`t explain the millions upon millions of people murdered by the atheist Stalin (23 million killed), or the atheist Mao (78 million killed), or the atheist Pol Pot (almost 2 million killed), or the atheist Kim Il Sung (over 1 and a half million killed). Does it, Brainiac?"

    Not the same comparison. None of those killed in the name of atheism, they killed in the name of greed, and control, and often in the name of a bastardized version of socialism--but it was all really for greed. A lot of religions do the same thing, but the grunts think they are dying for God, but the pope knows they are dying for his coffers.

    It`s the same game, but played to a different tune--religion can inspire tremendous amounts of murder, whereas you need a different mechanism to get the same results. Atheism isn`t one of those mechanisms.

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    weresphinx Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    the fat guy, just pointed to them, like duh: "there`s two corpses next to me, the same poo everyday". Yeah fat people doesn`t have souls.
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    menivituiksi Female 13-17
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    January 30, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    "Wow she is a bitch"

    Haaa.
    You tell `em.

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    LtFurpie Male 30-39
    1013 posts
    January 30, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Whether you believe in a murderous megolomaniacal deity or not, you cannot dispute that the woman used religion as her excuse to murder. Once again, religion is used as the crutch to a wrong deed. A very common use of it I`d say.
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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    "Why are people saying that whoever posted this is trying to slant religion? She really did believe she was sending him to heaven. She was mentally ill. No where does it say "Woman kills son because of Christianity". People making assumptions..."

    It was originally posted with a different description... pointed out how religion screws everything up and asked if an atheist would have done this. Description was changed an hour later.

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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    Oh and, Madest- Christianity does not necessarily entail believing in an "invisible man in the sky". That`s a rather shallow and limited view of it all. I don`t personally know a single religious person who believes in a literal man in the sky. Arguments about invisible men and spaghetti monsters are, at best, great examples of the `reductio ad absurdum` fallacy.

    Just saying.

    That which is not currently empirical encompasses an unsettlingly large amount of the universe.

    Maybe that scares the bible thumpers and the hardcore atheists in equal measures.

    Also, it`s like 3 am here and I`m just a little tipsy, so I hope I`m not being too... something. :P

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    Cornettos Male 18-29
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    January 30, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    BOOOM...HEADSHOT!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    This is absolutely NOTHING to do with faith, religion or a belief system.

    Of course it does - religion was her reason and her actions make sense in that context. According to her religion, her son would go to heaven. So why not kill him? *In the context of her religion*, she sacrificed her soul to save her son`s. Isn`t that a noble act in that context?

    Religion is involved.

    Would you be so adamant if she killed her son so he could go to the Death Star? To live in a pineapple in the bottom of the sea?

    Religion is not treated the same way as those delusions.

    That, my friend, is stereotyping and to a degree, racism.

    You regard Christians as a race? Does that make sense to you? Or are you just playing the race card because you`re low enough and desperate enough to do so and you know you don`t have a rational argument?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 30, 2010 at 11:45 pm
    Doesn`t the bible say something about not killing?

    No, it doesn`t. That`s a very common misunderstanding stemming from a mistranslation. Far from forbidding killing, the Christian bible contains all sorts of orders to kill.

    Besides, it still makes sense in a Christian context even if it`s a forbidden killing because in a Christian context her son`s soul will go to heaven.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 12:15 am
    Ooh, that was a good troll, just sliding in that little attack against Islam in there.

    It is one interpretation of some passages in Islam, so it isn`t an entirely unjustified attack.

    However, if they were thinking of the verse I think they`re thinking of, I think they`re wrong because they`re missing the context. The clearest passage about striking down unbelievers was given directly before a battle and appears to apply specifically to the battle. A pre-battle revelation to psych up your soldiers and convince them that your god is on their side, which is hardly unusual in religiously motivated wars.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2010 at 12:26 am
    And btw, discrimination race assumes the existence of "race" itself. The US Government Human Genome Project indicates that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types. Based on this evidence, "racial characteristics" logically cannot exist either, such as group differences in eye color or human hair color.

    I disagree slightly - there are some differences that have strong tendencies to show in different groups.

    Despite that, I agree that race doesn`t actually exist for two reasons. Firstly, the differences are not absolute. Secondly, they`re nowhere near big enough to support the idea of people being different races. Some of them can have massive effects, but the differences themselves are miniscule.

    Example: the CCR5-delta32 mutation is far more common in people whose ancestry in the last 700 or so years is from northern Europe, Britain or Ireland. The effect is large, but it`s only one gene.

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    adlinbaby Female 18-29
    404 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 12:29 am
    o m double g
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 12:35 am
    For those who can`t be bothered to look it up:

    The CCR5-delta32 mutation results in immunity to a variety of viruses in people who have two copies. Most relevantly nowadays, it makes a person immune to current strains of HIV. It`s thought to be far more common around here because of the devastating plagues, especially the Great Death of the late 1340s. So many people died that a previously very rare immunity became much more common amongst the survivors.

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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
    1163 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 12:49 am
    It`s the man in the sky`s fault! But it`s ok, she only had one strike so she still gets a mansion
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    ecpkngt Female 18-29
    150 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 1:59 am
    RE: This conversation:

    That, my friend, is stereotyping and to a degree, racism.

    You regard Christians as a race? Does that make sense to you? Or are you just playing the race card because you`re low enough and desperate enough to do so and you know you don`t have a rational argument?
    --

    I believe that statement was directed at someone`s derogatory comment about Americans. But sure, see what you want in it.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 3:33 am
    I believe that statement was directed at someone`s derogatory comment about Americans. But sure, see what you want in it.

    The post I quoted from did not mention Americans. The post they were replying to did not mention Americans. It was about Christians, not Americans.

    So where did you pull Americans from? What was that about seeing what you want in it?

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    banjolegs Male 30-39
    176 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 3:33 am
    Bat poo crazy is what that was... not any sort of religious fervour... But hey guns and heads don`t mix..In blighty we have the same sort of thing.. but instead of shooting, they write strongly worded letters to the daily mail about "the state of society today!"
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    Irontop33 Male 18-29
    89 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 5:22 am
    I dunno, but when my mom.( who "has a history of mental illness") says "hey son lets go the the range and do some shooting, It`ll be great" I would have to respectfully decline.
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    Pingas Male 13-17
    312 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 11:23 am
    What the hell, that`s so messed up and hilarious...she wanted to go to Hell?
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    January 31, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    Oh, gees, I`ve seen this. Horrible.
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    PuppyHeart Female 18-29
    6 posts
    February 1, 2010 at 1:53 am
    @Pingas:"What the hell, that`s so messed up and hilarious...she wanted to go to Hell?"

    How in the hell is this in any way hilarious? You need to grow the hell up kid.

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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    February 1, 2010 at 10:41 pm
    ...Oh Lordy Lord.
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    last_ninja Male 18-29
    610 posts
    February 2, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    well if he didn`t kill himself he could still go to heaven. as an atheist, i think that the church made suicide a sin so you couldn`t cut in line, so to speak
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    Asakura Female 18-29
    236 posts
    February 3, 2010 at 7:02 am
    I dunno about stuff like this.
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    7Mechanical Female 13-17
    56 posts
    February 6, 2010 at 3:39 am
    Hera help us...these people are insane.

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