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Also, I fully intend to wear uni-color tracksuits and fedoras once I reach age 50.
I love Quiznos.
This face to you as hard as I can make it: ":|"
Anyway, I don`t think being homosexual is wrong, or bad, or evil, or anything like that. I never said that. I never said homosexuals were a waste of space either. I said they have no purpose as far as propagation of the species goes. That`s all I said. Of course this is IAB so it got taken out of context and twisted (which is strange because it was written, not said.)
Just sayin`. I`ve got no problem with the Homos okay?
I think we`re getting close to our "limit" because the natural growth rates for many industrialized countries are stabilizing. Could we have more? Sure, but we`re recognizing now that we like the balance we`re at between population size and quality of life.
There is a biological concept called the law of minimum. It states that the fastest a plant can grow is limited by the resource in least supply.
auburnjunkie, I can apply this to your population assertion. Our population limit is set by the resource in least supply. If we have enough energy for 300 billion people but only enough water for 20 billion, then we only have 20 billion. Even if we find ways of extending our natural resource limit, you have to use other resources (e.g. solar energy = solar panels = raw materials). The closer you get to those limits, the more thinned out those resources become and quality of life decreases.
I think we`re getting close to our "limit" because the natural growth rates for many industrialized coun
And go ahead and move to the Sahara or Antarctica if you think those are a reasonable places to live. Good luck finding the resources that you need to survive!
Whether something is a disease or disorder is in the eye of the beholder. I don`t know anyone who considers the color of your skin as a disorder.
Many genetic adaptations in any species are only harmful. But homosexuality doesn`t actually cause any health problems. Like you said, the only way it could be considered "harmful" is from an evolutionary standpoint where they are less likely to pass on those genes. If it is a method of population control -- it`s pretty clever. Gay people prefer to have sex that will never produce children, but are still capable of reproducing.
In the end, who cares if it`s a non-beneficial adaptation? They aren`t a detriment to society (any more than straight people are). Many want the same opportunities for family and career that straight people have. The people who deny them that because of their homosexuality are simply pr
you`re using a stupid way of seeking attention. shut your mouth bigots.
@auburnjunkieYou`re dumb. Plain and simple. So let`s say a gay man invented the cure for cancer. He can`t procreate and maybe he doesn`t want kids. Is he a waste of space? No. So therefore, your arguement=FAIL.
And whoever said babies know their own orientaition... BABIES DON`T THINK ABOUT THAT YET DUMBBUTT.
oh and well said opie, well said.
Just asking based on your argument.
Also, the Sahara is nearly as big as Europe, and not one person lives there. Siberia is larger than Europe, and has at most 10,000 inhabitants.
My point of all the population talk was, someone said that we were overpopulated. As a whole, the world is not, but there are certain countries are. Expanding on that, India and China aren`t overpopulated, but the cities are. There are vast expanses in both countries that have no inhabitants.
Going back to the Earth running out of resources, Why can`t we come up with alternatives to supplant the use of fossil resources. Like wind or solar?
So do gay people serve an evolutionary function? Is homosexuality wrong? Well, what about cystic fibrosis? That doesn`t propagate our species and those damn people are so selfish for using up resources NORMAL people could use. Some of them have the nerve to never have children either.
Also, most genetic mutations in any species are not beneficial -- only a few are. Crazy thing is that most of us have a value for life that extends beyond evolutionary usefulness. It`s called being human.
I`d like to know where you got that 2% from because that sounds like a ton of bullpoo to me. Maybe only 2% has buildings on them, but what about the vast land used for agriculture? Or the undeveloped area that`s still owned? You can`t judge population capacity by % of the land developed. If you have 100% developed, then where do you grow food? The earth is becoming overpopulated because we`re using more resources than are available in the long term.
As far as the overpopulation argument goes, it is a fallacy.
Yes there are countries that are over populated, but the earth as a whole isn`t even close.
Just in terms of North America, 2% of this continent is developed, and 2% of that is inhabited.
As far as Earth numbers go, the population covers about 25% of LAND on earth, not including Antarctica. Overpopulated?
Just drating admit you`re an ignorant dick who doesn`t like change and is afraid of stuff that is different.
...that sounded wrong...
By reducing the negative effects of gender disparity.
How does persecuting people for being gay advance our species?
I`m not sure what I projected? I didn`t insinuate that people of any non-hetero status can`t, won`t, or shouldn`t have children. All I did was give a small insight into the biological aspect of homosexuality in terms of advancing the species.
I also included the part about it only being speculation, because I don`t have answers. I am extremely critical of my own convictions and in no way shape or form think that I can educate anyone on the subject, however, I do take offence to extremists on either side of the issue. If you don`t want to delve into the idea of "Why am I gay" I think you`re as bad as the people who think it`s "just plain wrong". What`s wrong with examination?
i dont think straight people consciously "shove their sexuality in other people`s faces" by mentioning their significant other... this might just be me but I don`t find people talking about their relationships to sound like, "HEY A$$HOLE, CHECK OUT MY SEXUALITY. YEAH! THAT`S RIGHT. MY SEXUALITY IS [email protected]#%IN` SWEET."
but hey that`s just me
Aptly named there.
"Homosexuality does interupt the natural desire to proliferate the species."
No. Many heterosexual have no desire to reproduce, many homosexuals do. Sexual orientation is independent of fertility and urge to reproduce.
You are trying, clearly, but still have a lot to learn, and it would help if you stop projecting heterosexist assumptions onto the lives of GLBTQ people.
"You can`t run around saying people are "homophobes" because you disagree with their arguments. "
Depends on the argument. If the `argument` is that GLBTQ people are inferior, then the person making that argument is a homophobe.
"Prentending (sic) you have the answers only makes you look foolish."
You did a great job of that for yourself.
... no. I`m not sure where you got that statisic, but it`s pretty funny.
I think the 9 months may mean that he`s been that way since conception... he seems to be advocating that one`s sexuality is determined genetically :)
:-) :-P ;-)
I plainly said he was my wife`s brother, not a friend. We are friendly true, but that wasn`t what I said. Did you read my argument?
If you are offended by what I have said, and think I am wrong, educate me.
Anyway, I am off. Good debate, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
No sweetie just disgusted by your attitude... Your ignorance has not backed me into any corner.. but yes you have disgusted me and angered me by saying things that would offend a lot of people I care about and with your attitude I doubt very much your "gay friend" would share such personal information..
Not true. That is a load of crap and there are plenty of cases around the world where you can see this.
BTW my wife`s brother is gayer than a pink jaybird, and he knows how I feel. He is not offended, and he tells me that he began to feel "gay" around 18 or 19.
That is something a homophobe would say.
I wonder - would a gay person take offence to that statement.. Excuse me sir, because you (through no fault or control of your own) are gay serve no purpose in life and you are selfish.
Like I said, history and science goes against you.. Some of the greatest men and women and influential figures in history were gay.. it had nothing to do with what they contributed to this earth and they probably served more of a purpose than you could ever hope to achieve by producing more homophobe miscrient offspring.
Erm, okay well you are the only person who would choose to do it that way.. I don`t say I have been straight for 16 and a half years and 92 days because frankly that was a random stab in the dark..
And as for sexual feelings as a baby - how do you know? Can anyone here honestly say when they had their first sexual thought? And for that matter how far back can you remember?
Global warming being a hoax is in all the papers and all over the internet news sites (even ones that aren`t Fox News.) Climate change is the keyword now, and it is a naturally occurring phenomenon.
Also, the people that are infertile are unfortunately in a bad situation. It is caused by either a disease, or a birth defect. Sucks and I feel for them.
Oh really? And do you have the facts to back that up or is there any point in reasoning with the ignorant homophobes of the world? Hun, I base all my stuff on science and fact and what you can see happening around you but I have a feeling you don`t so you can continue in your ignorant and highly offensive stance that any gay person is selfish and serves no purpose. History and science goes against you.
If you believe that your only goal in life is to continue the evolution of the species in the way that "nature intended" (even though nature is not sentient, and evolution is just a side effect of the physical principles that govern the universe), and you also for some reason don`t care enough about your mission in life to step out of the expectations of society, you would be doing this:
Marry a woman. Have a baby with her as often as possible, producing a baby every couple of years or so. You then have to remove every single luxury from your and the children`s lives in order to keep them alive, ignoring any emotions that don`t explicitly contribute to the propagation of the species.
And your point is?
Yeah but that is saying that is what we are here to do? Its not selfish, there are many ways people can serve their purpose and it is not just to have children... Plenty of people cannot procreate.. are they selfish? No. Everyone has a purpose and it is not determined by their sexuality.
Also, for the evolutionary argument: if you think the only meaning in life is to continue evolution, you should be constantly attempting to procreate while supporting every child you create, ignoring your own personal needs. For some reason I don`t see that happening.
We are? Hmmm well thank you for clearing the meaning of life up for us.. I mean we all have theories of why we are here and our purpose but apparently it is just to make babies... in a world that is dying... and is over populated... Yeah okay then.
Point is, we are here to procreate, and Bill and Bobby cannot do that. Neither can Tina or Tammy. They can be gay and that`s fine, but they serve no purpose whatsoever except self gratification. They can adopt and serve a purpose, but most don`t.
Fair enough but you don`t say you were straight from a certain point of time. You have never had reason to believe otherwise so You will say you were straight from the duration of your life not when you first realised you were straight.. the same with being gay.. this guy says he realised and recognised he was gay from the very start he is not going to begin from when he first had a sexual thought towards the same sex.
Erm scientific studies in which they tried to decipher if being gay was environmental/genes/hormonal etc If you are gay then you would be gay from the beginning... Yes you will not realise sexual thoughts straight away but no child does whether straight or gay or transgender etc etc etc... Its a state of mind.. its chromosomes and its not something anyone can predict or change.
"Coming out" is when you choose to openly acknowledge to society/family/friends that you are gay for those who seem to misunderstand the concept.
Yea, it does. It`s direction is survival of the species. Two dudes having sex in no way helps the species survive. Babies do that.
Sitting on my ass playing video games serves no evolutionary purpose, but it`s not bad that I do that.
They call it `coming out` and not `becoming gay` because it`s always there.----------------------------------------What`s your source?
However, homosexuality harms absolutely no one. Therefore, bone whatever you want and haters can go drat themselves.
Because that`s the idea we`re getting at here. No one CHOOSES what they`re attracted to.