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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Link: The Real Reason Why Republicans Are Scared - Then again, these numbers complete fluctuate once these 18-29 year-olds get mortgages, have kids and develop careers.
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    MrVandercar Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:49 am
    where are the figures for all the people that have changed their vote to a facpalm since he`s been elected?
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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:50 am
    Wut? I don`t get it... isn`t that what it looked like more or less anyway? Nyeeeh, I`m probably wrong, I don`t even care though.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:52 am
    Yeah, only one problem: 18-29 year olds (or people under the age of 60, in general) need to ACTUALLY VOTE. I think only 10% of people 18-29 voted, while more than 50% of those over 60 voted, or something like that, I don`t have the exact numbers and I`m too lazy to look them up.
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    polkafromny Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:53 am
    Haha. I knew I wasn`t alone.
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    handeman77 Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 9:54 am
    TRUTH
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:04 am
    Fortunately, people tend to get smarter as they get older. It`s called experience. Young people tend to vote based on what feels good. As you get older, you tend to vote more on what works in the real world.

    Liberalism may feel good, especially to the young and inexperienced, but after you have worked and paid taxes, and watched those taxes pissed away on Utopian social experiments that actually do more harm than good, you tend to become less idealistic and more realistic.

    Winston Churchill said it best: "Anyone who is not a liberal at 20 has no heart; anyone who is not a conservative by 40 has no brain."

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    Norris Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Heh, its because propaganda works.

    2012 map will be completely red.

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    flingspoo Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:10 am
    That`s why we need both sides. People who have life experience and people who don`t have as much voting. It balances out the system.
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    bankvole Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:11 am
    But then again Oldollie, Winston Churchill was somewhat of a prick
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:21 am
    OldOllie:
    I was considering the same line of thought, but than that does not explain how Obama got in. The over 40`s voted for him also.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Politics, such a game for those silly knuckleheads who can`t even be layed off >.>

    I don`t even see why we, as the people, don`t fix the problem ourselves instead of voting for one liar after another. Then sit on our rears and say "oh, well we can`t do anything about it =("...

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:22 am
    as well they should be. go blue states.
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    Bubbarider66 Male 70 & Over
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:25 am
    Actually, as people get older they stop thinking and just listen to the same rants by the same people they believed when they were younger. Conservatism has never, in the history of the world, pushed society forward, and that is a fact. If conservatives had their way we would still be British subjects. Renaissance? Liberals. Medicare? Liberals. Housing crisis? Conservatives. Wall Street greed? Conservatives.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:26 am
    How many were survey`d or this?? 1000 ppl probably
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    neosophist Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:34 am
    *note: numbers represent actual voters between 18-29 not electoral votes
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    neosophist Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:35 am
    abolishing slavery: ironically, conservatives
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    Kadinsky Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Skreshavik: If those people can`t even VOTE for the right person, why, in heavens name, should you let them do ANYTHING. Actually, I`m quite fed up with people thinking that politics is all about lying and cheating. If you want to address issues for group A, group B is going to be unhappy and visa versa. So no matter what any politician does, it`ll all result in that some part of the country is dissatisfied.

    And seriously, if you want to change things: vote.

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    bdr127
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:39 am
    @LandoGriffin: You should really check your facts before spewing garbage like that... In the 2008 presidential election, ~52% of 18-29 year olds voted; ~70+% of those 45+ year olds voted.

    http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2008/tables.html
    http://www.civicyouth.org/?p=323

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    zapfina Female 18-29
    44 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:40 am
    neosophist--it`s true that republicans abolished slavery, but at that time, republicans were liberals.
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    PSU840 Male 18-29
    78 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:41 am
    Yes, Republicans (Lincoln) did abolish slavery, even though it really did nothing since all of the slave heavy states already seceded from the union. But that Republican part became what is known today as...DEMOCRATS!
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    snottydyck Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:45 am
    proves that most kids are morons
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:45 am
    Housing crisis was a product of conservatism? I thought it was (in a nutshell) caused by Congress pressuring banks and lenders to give out home loans to those whom the bank had already done its loan evaluations and would have turn them down because of default risk? And then they all defaulted...

    Utopia - an ideal commonwealth whose inhabitants exist under seemingly perfect conditions. Hence "utopian" and "utopianism" are words used to denote visionary reform that tends to be impossibly idealistic

    It`s not going to happen. Some people are going to get screwed over and some people are NEVER going to be content.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:46 am
    MUWAHAHAHA! Keep it up, members of my awesome generational cohort, world domination is nearly within our grasp! }-)
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    bdr127
    48 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:48 am
    @neosophist: The "conservatives" did not abolish slavery, but the "Republican Party" did. However, the Republican and Democratic parties of the 19th century had totally different values/ideals than they do today. In fact, they are about opposite. The Democrats were pro-business and for lower taxes; The Republicans were all about the middle class and anti-big business. (They pushed for the Sherman Antitrust Act, for example).
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 10:51 am
    hows about all politicians and politics are a joke.
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    BBQ Male 18-29
    467 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:00 am
    @Wildcats2008
    I don`t think you can blame it on the congress, but I suppose I don`t know for sure.
    From what I`ve heard, the banks were the ones mainly responsible. (They chose to lend money to those who didn`t pass loan evaluations)
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    Fealiks Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:02 am
    scottserious is a wise, wise chap.
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    p0l4r21 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:05 am
    That is not what you want to see. The 30-49 crowd is the most important. They have past experience and would likely vote for the one that is suited for the position*.

    *I voted for Obama.
    **What do the republicans care let the democrats win drat everything up and it will all go right back to the republicans. It is the natural course of politics. Don`t really here the republicans bitching to much they made tons of money in the past presidency.

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    RyanHake Male 18-29
    2690 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Is that really necessarily snottydyck? Not that your username doesn`t make sense as to why you`d say something like that or anything ;)
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:33 am
    GOP is dead, they can try again next century.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:38 am
    i dont know if thats just a question of age. sure, young ppl tend to vote left. but i think in the usa its very much about the candidates.(?) mcain had no chance against obama, old vs young, boring vs exciting, and also 8 terrible yrs of rps vs fresh dems. lets see whos running against obama next time. his halo will have lost a lot of its glitter until then.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:41 am
    and also nobody is easier to motivate than young people. but you can disappoint them and make them angry just as easy.
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    HalfSandwich Male 18-29
    145 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:43 am
    ya but what happens when those 18 to 29-year-olds stop smoking weed and get a job? and what happens if those same 18 to 29-year-olds get a non-union job at that? the reason most of them voted for obama is because if they saw a picture of nancy pelosi they would think it was the transvestite obama recently hired and not the very lovely and elegant speaker of the house. just wait till they have to face the real world and need to be productive, they will turn.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:48 am
    VV So what happens if they continue smoking weed and get a job???
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    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:54 am
    If you liked the Nazis, you`ll love the Republicans!
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    ImNoGod Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 11:56 am
    It`s because younger people vote for who is cool and hip and older people vote for who has the better policy`s. DONE
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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
    273 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:59 am
    McG they realize that their paycheck is taxed to hell and grow up real fast
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    I have to agree with OldOllie - you just automatically become conservative once you see what the government (state and fed) do with your tax money. I am registered independent so I can vote for either candidate, but I do usually vote republican because democratic ideals are a bit too big brother for my liking.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    "...you just automatically become conservative once you see what the government (state and fed) do with your tax money."

    Hasn`t happened to me or to anyone I know.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    VV Did you work for AIG & get a bonus???
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Young people voting liberal? What?

    If you`re not a liberal at age 20, you have no heart. If you`re still a liberal at age 40, you have no brain

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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    "It`s because younger people vote for who is cool and hip and older people vote for who has the better policy`s. DONE"

    It`s because people who make broad sweeping assumptions are the ones who might as well be voting for the one who is "a cool guy" because they`re obviously very, very uneducated. Or, you know, they`re just retarded. My condolences.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    While the idea of automagically turning from Democrat to Republican as one ages seems ridiculous, voter demographics have indicated that young people tend to vote Democratic and older people tend to vote Republican- but these demographics have been compiled over long enough of a timespan to eliminate the possibility of a recent trend.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
    2149 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Both parties have good and bad platforms, so I`m independent. Generally I agree with Democrats on social issues, and Republicans on everything else.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    edana42 "I was considering the same line of thought , but than that does not explain how Obama got in. The over 40`s voted for him also.

    My apologies, I should have been more clear. What I should have said is that most, but certainly not all people tend to get smarter as they get older. As the great American philosopher Ron White so aptly and succinctly put it, "You can`t fix stupid."

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    VV Hey I have the same condition as him for medical marijuana. I get depressed... when I`m out of weed.
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    yepimbored Male 30-39
    131 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    I`m sick of little 18-22 year old, bleeding heart kids attacking my morals and values when most of them still have mommy doing their laundry. It`s easy to push for social handouts when you are either A: receiving them or B:not paying in to the system and living in your parent`s basement. Besides place a $55,000 burden on every man, woman and child in the US (legally) to pay off this $12B debt, closed-door meetings on health care, buying up clunkers, cap-and-trade B.S., and spending like a hood-rat with a stolen Platinum Visa, what has Osama Bin-Obama done?
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    JHSpring26 Male 18-29
    492 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    A wise woman once told me "If you`re under the age of 35 and vote Republican, you don`t have a heart. If you`re over the age of 35 and vote Democrat, you don`t have a brain."
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    lucu Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    I`ve never hear of anyone changing from Democrat to Republic just because they got older and supposedly "wiser". I agree with OldOllie. :)
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    GTrain Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Awwwww, crack out the Violin, Grandpa....
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    OldOllie - IQ tests are scaled to age, and all things being equal a person`s IQ will NOT increase due to age alone. They might know more, but they aren`t "smarter" in the sense of greater brain power.

    But as a general proposition, people do get more conservative as they age, and young people do tend to be more liberal. I don`t think fair assumptions of the validity of either view can be drawn from that fact.

    Its simply that young people will be more willing to take risks, and old people are more afraid of change.

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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    Republicans want people to keep what they earn, and they don`t want to help others.

    Democrats want to take money from the rich, and they want to help others.

    Seeing as the top 5% of wealthiest people in America hold 90% of the wealth, it makes sense to take money from them.

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    MadDrBiggie Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    lol StarDagger and everyone else who thinks the Dems have control locked down is obviously not very involved or even interested in politics. Better cut the blind statements and start paying attention/getting involved if you want to see your representatives stay in power. The GOP definitely blundered up, but they are certainly not dead. I feel like the next election will be a pretty tight race, and frankly, I`m pretty excited.

    (Coming from an independent)

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    rebetikas Male 30-39
    213 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Sounds like Obama will try and lower the voting age. This makes sense though, most kids think its cool to vote for the left, up until they realize that it doesn`t come cheap.
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    Wundt Male 40-49
    410 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Sadly, this age cohort has the lowest turn out. Obama won because these people `showed up` this last election.

    Also, I am not sure this map is really any different than is was 20 years ago. As we get older, people tend to become more conservative. This is an old saying, "Democrats don`t die, they become Republicans".

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    "Seeing as the top 5% of wealthiest people in America hold 90% of the wealth, it makes sense to take money from them."

    God self-righteous liberals make me angry. What right do you have to excessively take someone`s money simply because they have more of it than you? Don`t you understand that when you allow the majority to strip individuals of their basic rights that no one is safe anymore?

    America was built on individualism and self-reliance. Safety nets are fine, but what you`re talking about is redistribution of wealth, and that is something I can confidently say is very surely anti-American

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    unbanned Male 13-17
    999 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    im too stupid to find out how to upload a picture....
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    It`s funny because NONE of these opinions matter, and will never matter unless you one day get into politics. I don`t think it matters enough for you guys to get angry at eachother over it.. even if someone "wins" the argument, nothing has changed.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    If your 20 and not liberal you have no heart. If your 40 and not conservative you have no money.
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    Olk Male 18-29
    91 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    @ggolbez, people like you really piss me off, you simply assume all republicans are greedy fatcats and you know nothing about them
    for instance there is a man i know who grew up dirt poor. he had 2 brothers who both died before the age of thirteen because of heath complications, and their medical bills put the family far into debt. this man worked his ass off and got a scholarship to a good school and went on to become a chemical engineer. he now makes a million dollars a year, you would take that reward away from him because you stereotype him as a greedy rich man, while in reality he sits on the board of a charity and is a foster parent. your just an ignorent non-nice individual thats all you are.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 11, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    2 years old... I believe a lot of people have become disillusioned with Obama, His choices, And his administration as well as congress. They`ll be a big push back toward the center-right and you`ll see it during the 2010 election.
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    mjfoxman Male 18-29
    336 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    ggolbez your an idiot. first off democrats don`t want money from the rich so they can help others, they want it to help themselves and republicans don`t want to keep their money, because they don`t want to help others. they want to keep it because they work hard for it. second why should we punish those who work hard for their money and reward those who don`t.

    my father is republican and would be classified as rich, he did not inherit his fortune. he started his career at John Deere working middle management. he switched careers and worked his way up in insurance and then took the risk of starting his own business, in the next 6 years he worked his ass off and made his business one of the fastest growing company`s in our state. he doesn`t make millions but still donates just as much to charity each year as someone who does. now why does he deserve to get his money taken away.

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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
    256 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    "ggolbez - Democrats want to take money from the rich, and they want to help others.

    Seeing as the top 5% of wealthiest people in America hold 90% of the wealth, it makes sense to take money from them."

    Give me $20.00 right now. I don`t have it and since you have $20.00, it`s only fair you give it to me.

    ggolbez - Next time you have a thought, let it go....

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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    Kadinsky, You missed my point. All politics are worthless. It`s a game that you lose every time. You`re putting your future on some sketchy person you`ve never met personally on your life. And, what`s worse is people actually think that person they vote for will fix all their problems. LOL!

    You gotta take initiative and change it yourself, otherwise you`re just a follower. Easy to manipulate, easy to cheat, easy to bury.

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    flipNhigh Male 18-29
    194 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    I believe this is WRONG...texas should be RED, it dont matter if its 19-29, and p.s. GO LOUISIANA!!!
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    HalfSandwich Male 18-29
    145 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    why do people keep saying republicans don`t care about others? last time i checked republicans and conservatives are FAR more charitable on average than democrats and liberals. if you allow someone who tends to lean towards the right to keep his or her own money then he or she is far more likely to willingly give what he or she can to help others. while in comparison, someone on the left needs to have the government take money from those who have it instead of willingly donating themselves so they can pat themselves on the back for the good work they did. (on average of course, there are exceptions on both sides, such as the good work many liberal celebs do, not sean penn though he hangs with commies) its true folks, look it up.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    One more piece of advice for these take-give scenarios then I`ll give it a rest =p

    People need to work for their materials in order to understand how valuable it is. Otherwise, they`ll waste in on more booze, crack, WoW, whatever fuels their addiction.
    On the other hand, people who`ve earned that needs to know that material goods aren`t the only thing about life. Life`s prime objective is to help others, not self-indulgence as most American`s are led to believe.

    Crazy concept, but your life isn`t all about WoW or that new Lotus Spyder.

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    anguskhan79 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    I believe it was Churchill that said if you`re not a liberal by 20 you have no heart, if you`re not conservative by 50 you have no brain. It`s not at all unusual for younger people to tilt toward the democrats. As for me I`m socially liberal and economically conservative so I`m dratted either way lol.
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    TCullen23 Female 18-29
    330 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    mmhmmm go blue go blue! ;)
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    When your right your right!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    mrwnt - "What right do you have to excessively take someone`s money simply because they have more of it than you? Don`t you understand that when you allow the majority to strip individuals of their basic rights that no one is safe anymore?"

    Oh poor exploited rich people! How do they cope?!

    The reply to why its fair to tax the rich more than the poor (in order, mind you, to FUND THE GOV`T) is that the rich have gained much due to the stability and prosperity of the country. And its not as if the rich lack political power. What counts as the proper level of taxation - what is "excessive" - is a policy question with different answers depending on ideology. But its not as if poor little rich people lack a voice in gov`t.

    mrwnt said: "America was built on individualism and self-reliance"

    Oh, and slavery, and the forceful taking of indigenous land, and exploitation of the working classes and the poor and immigrant labor.

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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
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    January 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Complete fluctuate?
    Grammar Nazi is displeased.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    January 11, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    mrwnt - I`d argue that a progressive tax system is entirely American - it is HOW we tax, and it is an inherently redistributive system. THAT is the American way as it has been my entire life, and indeed for long before I was born. What America are you refering to???
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    no goaliejerry, the progressive income tax system, hey even the idea of a federal income tax at all, would mortify the Founders if they could see what the US is like today. The tax system is not meant to redistribute wealth, but to fund government services. There is a fundamental difference between the two.

    "Oh, and slavery, and the forceful taking of indigenous land, and exploitation of the working classes and the poor and immigrant labor. "

    You`re describing how virtually every country on Earth at the time grew economically. The US was not the worst among the bunch.

    "But its not as if poor little rich people lack a voice in gov`t."

    Actually, because we live in a democracy, rich people have very little say in gov when it comes down to it. We live in a country where more than 50% of voters will not be paying any income taxes by the time Obama leaves office because of all the rebates (it was 41% under GWB).

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    There is something very dangerous about a non-income-tax-paying majority voting for what to do with tax money and, more importantly, deciding HOW MUCH to tax the minority.

    I am not against any sort of progressive tax system, but redistributive tax policy is unamerican. It erodes property rights, one of the pillars this country was founded on and what made us so unique in the world in our earliest days.

    Liberals are so bitter that some people in this world are successful and want to reap the benefits of their labor. You work your own darn way up the ladder, there are plenty of opportunities if you want to work. Cutting down those who succeed is a cowardly way to improve one`s own situation, and in the end everyone is worse off for it

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    ansurdu Male 18-29
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    January 11, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    wouldnt look like this now...

    what`s the saying? if you`re young and a democrat you`re heartless, but if you old and not conservative you`re stupid.

    i always found that amusing

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    Jonas999 Male 30-39
    78 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    18-29 year olds. That would be the portion of america without major crushing debt, children that take more than diapers and milk and worrying about the fact that all the rent they pay isnt going to be going into a 30 year mortage? Yeah, I`m scared of them being in charge too :-)
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    mrwnt-"...Actually, because we live in a democracy, rich people have very little say in gov when it comes down to it...."

    Are you on the hard stuff, mrwnt?! Occasionally voting on who sits in those chairs in D.C. is only voting for window dressing, dude. How the government operates, and where the money it handles is spent, is determined almost exclusively by the lobby in D.C. And that lobby is paid for by whom again? Oh yeah, multi-drating-million/billion-aires and mega-corporations. Voting at this point is nothing more than a tool to distract the masses while the rich get richer.

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    anguskhan79 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    I`ll agree with mrwnt. What happens when 2 wolves and 1 sheep vote on what to have for dinner?

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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2442 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    I`ll have to agree with mrwnt on this, but I do think that corporations and the Fed have done their best to screw us over.
  82. Profile photo of MrComedy
    MrComedy Male 18-29
    21 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    Mr. Comedy says: What`s funny is that no one seems to remember that capitalism requires consumerism. Thank the fat cats, thank the corporations, and thank the 5% of America that control 90% of the wealth, or whatever misinformed figure you`ve been given. You like your MP3 players and your cell phones? Enjoy the internet? Like being a vegan? Appreciate a medium with which to voice your opinion, no matter how worthless? It`s all because useless crap was bought, and saved money was spent. Cry about the value of your dollar, but remember that the value was invested, wisely, in the luxuries you afford today. Perhaps someday we will all eat government issued MREs while we enjoy our non-progressive, non-offensive safe lives.
  83. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    BIBLE FI- Oh sh*t, wrong argument...

    Now what do I do with my bible, The Zombie Survival Guide?

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    MrComedy Male 18-29
    21 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    You should throw it in the trash, the Zombie Survival Guide has way too many misinterpretations. The anti-firearms position it takes is completely unfounded, and not advising people to utilize vehicles is odd, considering zombies aren`t typically known to consume gasoline, so chances are there will be plenty to go around. :-/
  85. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    "If your 20 and not liberal you have no heart. If your 40 and not conservative you have no money."

    *tear* It`s beautiful....

  86. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    "The anti-firearms position it takes is completely unfounded, and not advising people to utilize vehicles is odd, considering zombies aren`t typically known to consume gasoline, so chances are there will be plenty to go around."

    Uhh...

    The whole concept behind those specific arguments is that in a world-wide zombie apocalypse type of situation, guns and motor vehicles require non-renewable resources that need a functioning society in order to be salvaged and purified for human use.

    You might want to read it again.

  87. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    mrwnt - "There is something very dangerous about a non-income-tax-paying majority voting for what to do with tax money and, more importantly, deciding HOW MUCH to tax the minority"

    OH, MR. ARISTOCRAT ARE WE???

    That explains your position perfectly. YOU ARE AN ARISTOCRAT - that is EXACTLY what you said. Let the rich govern, since they have the "most" at stake, at least in terms of $$$ - and it seems, for YOU, $$$ is all that matters. (But note that the poor, who compose the "majority" in your view, are disproportionately more likely to be sent to die in wars, or DIE from lack of health coverage).

    And I don`t think you understand that BY DEFINITION a progressive tax system is redistributive - it taxes the rich more, thus redistributing their wealth away from them towards others, the beneficiaries of government services.

    And "founders" arguments are useless - the "founders" didn`t let women or blacks vote. They would be appalled a

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 8:55 pm
    *they would be appalled at the civil rights movement, but that doesn`t make the civil rights movement wrong.

    How does taxation of income erode the pilar of property? People have tried to argue that federal income taxes are unconstitutional, and the US Supreme Court has REJECTED those claims.

    Lastly, I`d like to point something out - I`m rich, and I`m STILL a Democrat because I believe that the right thing for the propserous to do is to ensure that the least fortunate have a minimal standard of living - most recently, by ensuring people don`t die or go bankrupt because they are sick and too poor to pay.

    Republican`s greatest political success was convincing poor people that their interests were served by protecting the rich. Because as we know, not enough rich people alone to get the votes, so just co-opt votes with red-herrings about abortion and guns - while really just protecting the rich.

  89. Profile photo of Logan033
    Logan033 Male 13-17
    94 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    Someone PLEASE tell me Why is it that a post that has ANYTHING to do with religion and/or politics starts a stupid debate with everyone trying to act smart by using big words that the person saying something probably dosn`t even understand? Honestly, this is a goddamn humor website. We don`t want to read your views on religion/politics. If there is a post about religion/politics, please just keep your opinions to yourself.
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    rissarose Female 18-29
    109 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    Unless Republicans decide to turn liberal on social issues, I will forever and always vote Democrat. I don`t give a flying drat how old you are; you vote conservative, you have no soul.

    And yes, I do work. Yes, I get the poo taxed out of me. And I`ll forever be damn happy to get the poo taxed out of me as long as someone with brains, a heart, and soul continues to stay in charge.

  91. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    anguskhan79, "As for me I`m socially liberal and economically conservative so I`m dratted either way lol."

    It`s worse than that. You`re not just dratted; you`re LIBERTARIAN! :-O

  92. Profile photo of MrComedy
    MrComedy Male 18-29
    21 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    @Logan033; What`s funny is that you`re really an idiot. It`s kind of funny, go on laugh. To elaborate, you are posting your useless opinion to tell people not to post theirs, but oddly enough, yours is even more useless by virtue of the fact that you`re suppressing the sport of debate, which educates and satisfies others, even should they not admit, nor concede their own opinion. 13-17? I`m going to guess 12, go hit up some 10 Random Pics posts and look for nipple slips and allow the grown-ups their talk.

    @opiebreath: I took those suggestions to imply the actions one should take in the early aftermath of a Zed apoc. If that were the case, I would be correct, but If I`m wrong in my interpretation, apologies around.

    @rissarose: You might do better for this country by putting forth a little more effort than that, and deciding for yourself what the best course of action for a specific issue is, rather than voting based on your `party.`

  93. Profile photo of mrwnt
    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    goaliejerry: You are completely misunderstanding me. Did I ever say only the rich should rule? No, I said everyone`s right to property should be respected. Everyone gets one vote, but no one should be able to conduct theft by the tax system.

    Actually, in Pollack v. Farmers Loan and Trust Company, the SC ruled the income tax unconstitutional. Congress then had to amend the constitution to allow it to continue.


    It is funny though how you jump to the conclusion that I am an aristocrat because I believe people are entitled to what they work for.

    You think all the founders were racists and misogynists huh? We wouldn`t have a United States today if those men hadn`t acquiesced to Southern pressure to allow slavery to continue. They sacrificed for the greater good.

    Republicans are not about protecting the rich. Liberals always misinterpret this. Conservatism is about protecting the rights of ALL people, INCLUDING the rich

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    MrComedy Male 18-29
    21 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    Oh, and one more thing.

    @goaliejerry: You`re rich? That`s kind of contradicting, don`t you think? I mean, based on your position, it`s up to the rich to `care` for the impoverished or what have you. You could live very comfortably with about 50K a year, so do you donate the rest to charity? I take `rich` to mean that, even while living extremely comfortably, you still have much more money than you can spend. If this is the case, all that money should go to charity, shouldn`t it? You`ll be fine, won`t you?

    Yeah, you`re probably either not rich, or a giant hypocrite.

  95. Profile photo of eviljimmie
    eviljimmie Male 18-29
    1 post
    January 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    @mrwnt: You need to read up on your Supreme Court cases, in Pollock v. Farmers` Loan & Trust Company, the Supreme Court ruled: that although generally income taxes are indirect taxes (excises) authorized by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1, the taxes on interest, dividends and rents under the 1894 Act had a profound effect on the underlying assets. The Court ruled that the tax on dividends, interest and rent should be viewed as a direct tax falling on the property itself rather than as an indirect tax. As direct taxes, these taxes were required to follow the rule of apportionment found in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3.

    In other words, only the income taxes under that particular act were deemed unconstitutional.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10443 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:49 pm
    Republicans are stupid.
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    najamesk1 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    January 11, 2010 at 11:50 pm
    I don`t exactly agree with the comments, If i were single, owned a mega corporation or two, and held a part time job as a lawyer, yes, maybe yes.

    but, I am married, I have a mortgage, and have a great career, and I vote Blue. Red will destory my mortgage, destroy my career, and give me cancer.

  98. Profile photo of mystery08
    mystery08 Male 18-29
    160 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 1:48 am
    LazyMe484-
    No. The pions who subscribe to one of two predetermined sets of ideals are stupid. They fight in flame wars with no flux of intellect yelling meaningless words back and forth. Those are the true morons. drating people are dumb =/

    all of you!

    If you want to have a political opinion drating know what your talking about. drating people talking about whats good for the economy without knowing basic economics themselves save a few regurgitated flashy words they learned on talk radio. (yes its a preposition i don`t drating care about grammar)

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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 4:24 am
    Being republican requires you to deny science for belief in an invisible man in the the sky. They do not support civil rights and indeed want to control behavior. Good luck with that mrwnt.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
    334 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 4:46 am
    Madest: I`m agnostic. I believe in evolution. I`m a republican, more libertarian actually. Even if there are some things about the republican party, on the whole it is much better for our country than a bunch of liberals who think they have all the answers and that they can create a utopia that will never exist, if only they can raise taxes enough

    The only behavior Republicans to control is the unadulterated slaughter of innocent babies in this country.

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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 5:06 am
    Definitely says something that younger, more naive, more broke, more irresponsible voters are more likely to vote for/ trust democrats. Republicans are poo heads too though. We`re screwed either way. Oh well! When people stop trusting politicians all together, regardless of which team they`re on, maybe we`ll have a government that actually serves the people and not itself.
  102. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 5:36 am
    Oh and one more thing that I`ve been hearing a lot recently on the internetz and in person (as our freedoms erode): People supporting a political party or politician because they support your PERSONAL PREFERENCES (eg. "I hate cigarettes so I`m glad they`re banning smoking). It`s not the government job to create laws just because they please you! It truly pisses me off when people are happy that someone else`s personal liberties are infringed because of their own personal preferences. If you think rich people should support the poor than GIVE YOUR MONEY AWAY! Don`t tell other people what they should do with their money or their body or their spare time! That`s complete bullpoo and fewer and fewer people in this country have any regard for personal liberties and freedom. I understand that this is a very trite and cliche phrase, but if people don`t like that this country is based on freedom and liberty then why don`t they just get the drat out?
  103. Profile photo of anguskhan79
    anguskhan79 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 5:46 am
    Yeah OldOllie I know I`m libertarian. It`s why I`m so miserable around voting season. Few candidates are interested in real, honest to God freedom anymore. Conservatives want to say who can and can`t get married. Liberals want to tax away our motivation to be productive. Conservatives don`t want to re-legalize recreational drugs (yes I said re-legalize, it was once a matter of individual liberty what you put in your own body, but not for the last century). Liberals want to take away our guns. Conservatives want to shove their religious views down out throats. Liberals are offended about religious expression in schools or the workplace where free speech should still apply. I could go on for hours...
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 6:06 am
    The arguing over Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, neither option is a valid one considering that both parties adhere to neo-liberal economic policy. Which advocate the destruction of what is the underpinnings (organs) of what a democracy is. The stupefaction done by the media and eduction system, is designed to make (churn out) drones (people who don`t think, don`t question, don`t organize) Thus those that assume control, have an unquestioning mass at their command. Demockarcy, freedoms, rights, liberties, or old fashioned fairness are hindrances to this taking of control.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 6:15 am
    The Imperial Republic of the United States is drated. Either from with in or from abroad.

    And those that disagree that the US is an empire; what looks like, talks like, and behaves like an empire shall be called an empire.

    A rose is a rose, by an other name is still a rose.
    Something Shakespearian

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 6:19 am
    Also the The Zombie Survival Guide is awesome and funny
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 6:51 am
    @Brimstone
    Well if the US falls the rest of the world economy will go into the sh*tter have fun.

    @MrComedy
    The guide is split into different phases of the zombie apocalypse so he looks for sustainability. Speaking of I`ve found a renewable energy source all I need is a method of generating electricity from a treadmill.

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    Afromeister Male 13-17
    42 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 9:08 am
    Proves the younger generation is the cleverer one. :)
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    admisaok Male 18-29
    516 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 9:43 am
    @BrimstoneOne:

    way to explain all your "fancy" words to me... because i obviously don`t know what the words `make` and `drone` mean

    maybe if you throw in a couple more words people won`t realize that you have no idea what you are talking about

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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3830 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 9:53 am
    i dont really get it. so, this means old people are dumber than us, or smarter for wanting mccain?
  111. Profile photo of Coolhandluke
    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
    95 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 9:58 am
    Part of the problem is that the republican party had a crappy candidate. Mike Hukabee took all the votes away from Mitt Romney and then dropped out of the election so that neither of them could compete, leaving it open for John McCain. Nobody really wanted McCain as the candidate and I even heard some republicans say that McCain is so liberal that they might as well vote for Obama. Most Americans are idiots though. I hate how everyone acts like Obama is the savior and he can never be wrong. Here is what I mean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjrn4GZGd...

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    jde824 Male 18-29
    241 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Except the republican party did have a good candidate but everyone ignored him until after the election. RON PAUL!?
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    alexvieux Male 13-17
    78 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    "Proves the younger generation is the cleverer one. :)"
    Or possibly that the younger generation don`t really care if the president is Republican or Democrat, but do care if the US overcomes its racial injustices
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    @ mrwnt, "The only behavior Republicans to control is the unadulterated slaughter of innocent babies in this country."
    -------------
    I suspect you meant to say that they only want to control abortion. If so I wonder why they got involved with the Terry Schiavo affair and why they took away Americans right to play online poker. Democrats are spineless and fold like lawn chairs so I`m not a supporter of theirs either but If my option in the republican party is anyone other than Ron Paul, I`d need to be sold. Your words are based upon a fantasy party.
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    thundermonk Male 18-29
    126 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    this would be funnier if i knew the states better
  116. Profile photo of anguskhan79
    anguskhan79 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    @jde824-I agree Ron Paul wants the right kind of change for the most part, but he wants too much too fast. You can`t pull the plug on the system and reset it all overnight. You would have to eliminate one tax and one program at a time over a period of years, maybe decades to return us to a truly free market without causing an even more massive economic collapse than the one we`re having now from the failure of corporatism (it was not a "free market" failure but the failure of a system rigged in favor of large corporations).
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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm
    Ron Paul is a Libertarian. And I frankly question this diagram as anything more than political belief masquerading as statistics.
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    Sickhead Male 18-29
    59 posts
    January 12, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    idiots. running this country into the ground
  119. Profile photo of sonnaPA
    sonnaPA Female 18-29
    12 posts
    January 14, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    Republicans want to strip women, minorities, and gays of their rights.
    Democrats want a live and let live policy.
    Sarah Palin actually advocated burning books. BURNING BOOKS. Is there really any wonder why reps didn`t win? And I don`t know why conservatives try to say liberals are pushing "big brother", the conservatives are the ones who want to control everyone and make them adhere to an arbitrary moral code.
  120. Profile photo of anguskhan79
    anguskhan79 Male 30-39
    89 posts
    January 15, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    @sonna-Democrats are no better. They want to remove all of our economic freedoms with coercive redistribution and force their arbitrary views of political correctness down our throats. I agree Republicans suck, but don`t let their partners on the other side of the aisle fool you. They`re 2 sides of the same coin. Neither cares about you or your liberty.

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