Justice Sunstein Wants To Ban Guns, Free Speech

Submitted by: Nidonemo 7 years ago
http://www.infowars.com/obamas-favorite-for-supreme-court-justice-sunstein-wants-to-ban-guns-free-speech/

Full disclosure: He"s President Obama’s appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Hmmm...
There are 86 comments:
Male 712
Jak, enlighten us all then. I mean no one here gets it but you, right? So let`s hear it.
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Male 154
haha its the internets job to give idiots a voice. no one here actually understands basic american government. there are checks and balances so people like hannity dont get complete control.
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Male 154
haha you retards, there not gonna outlaw guns or free speech. its impossible. obamas not stupid. putting restricions just means itl be a step harder to get a f#cking glock. the free speech crap is just paranoid idiots with access to a computer who actually belive fox news haha.
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Male 158
Very Paranoid News site. That`s all.
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Male 712
Liquid and 83,

I`m sorry but I`m going to have to disagree with you on the "It Will Never Happen" idea.

Simply put, if you ever want what will be a working model for society, go check out the inner workings of a prison at some point in your lives. I mean get hired on and work there for a couple of years and you`ll find the following parallels:

1. Everyone is numbered.

2. Everyone has an account that goes with that number (a cashless society within a society)

3. Trade and barter is outlawed.

4. Rebellions are quickly quelled though the officers are outnumbered every day of the week.

5. No one is armed there except those who disregard regulations anyway. Even in those few cases, the weapons are found and confiscated and they are used as examples.

The only way it will never happen is if people are vigilant and diligent about letting their representatives know where they stand and make them understand that the only way they will give up their guns is if they

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Male 89
I agree - never happen. The ever-corrupt UN is also trying to disarm us. Doesn`t help that you ignoramuses voted in obama and his transvestite wife (?).
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Male 13
No way will they ever outright ban guns. There are far to many well armed people who wouldn`t just lay down and let their government deiced how the citizens are safe. The only reason a government would want to get guns out of the hands of their people is so the people cant use them against them.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. " Thomas Jefferson

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Male 1,106
Is this legitimate?
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Female 365
NRA 4EVR
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Male 712
::Alex Jones!?::

Yes, Alex Jones...I mean it is on his site isn`t it?

::Seriously?!::

Seriously

::He`s one of those 9/11 Truthers::

LOL Can`t get anything by you but I`m just wondering what that little observation has anything to do with anything. It was Steve Watson who wrote the article and I`m wondering what Alex Jones supposedly being a 9/11 Truther is in relationship to that?

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Male 147
How the hell is a czar in a seat of power when they have no administrative power? Yea infowars is insanity.
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Male 29
If it wasn`t on Alex Jone`s site, I might get worried. But dude, this guy is just as crazy as any government loon, left or right. They won`t be able to ban guns. They just won`t. They will put restriction after restriction after restriction, like Clinton did, but not ban altogether. I moved to Arizona 5 months ago, and one week ago bought my first handgun, a Glock 19. I feel a lot safer knowing I don`t have to wait 5 minutes for the police to get there(if I`m able to call them at all) if I`m being attacked. And McGovern is correct. Seriously people, if you believe everything the media portrays, you are as dumb as the "x,y,z" you hate, usually dems/republicans. I have a college education and I`m a general manager, and I bring my handgun everywhere to protect my family.
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Male 14,330
@Baalthazaq
Most gun owners aren`t uneducated rednecks as you`d like to belive & the supreme court has said it`s a citizens right you should really stop being a hypocrite.
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Male 9
Alex Jones!? Seriously?! He`s one of those 9/11 Truthers.
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Male 11
Another left loony. The are becoming the new nazi party.
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Male 7,378
Need some justices to counter the lunacy on the right. Remember Clarence Thomas thinks it`s acceptable for any school administrator to strip search children simply for the suspicion of ibuprofen.
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Male 2,579
There will be an uprising.
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Male 544
On the upside, he`d make Gay marriage legal, says Wikipedia.
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Male 712
One more point I`d like to make is that, should Sunstein wish to tax "Conspiracy Theorists," he`s going to open one hell of a Pandora`s Box.

Prosecutors do this type of theoretical analysis every day. If you don`t believe me then please, by all means, tell me why "Conspiracy To Commit X Offense" exists.

Now, not only will they be heavily taxed but they will also need representation in the political arena.

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Male 712
GJ, While I can agree that someone who is highly educated should be qualification for consideration or even nomination for a position, that`s not the defining criteria. This is only one of two places where you`re wrong.

The first point is that if his record is indicative of any actual voting or stance that is unconstitutional, then he will not honor the oath of office. If our president appoints someone who will not honor their oath of office, then they are both impeachable.

The second place where you`re wrong is that the second amendment guarantees your right to carry as you wish. It doesn`t mention anything about licensing and registration. So, carry on, carry on! I completely support your right to do so.

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Male 4,014
If my link doesn`t work, just google "Sunstein Conspiracy Theories" and look for the link to papers.ssrn.com
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Male 4,014
And I`m kidding about the spelling errors, my spelling is terrible.
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Male 4,014
"I would love to see an article about this without the blatant bias that is in this one...
Anybody got one?"

It doesn`t exist, because any reputable reporter knows how to READ. Seriously, here is the SSRN link to the paper they claim is so damning. You have to "download" the paper (the link is to an abstract). Read it yourself.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?a...

No non-tea-bagger article exist because not everyone are propogandists. Feel free to search for yourself.

And FYI - OIRA, the office Sunstein CHOSE to head (he is so well respected he had a choice of his position within Obama`s cabinet), is an office within the Office of Management and Budget (and executive agency) with the responsibility of overseeing all administrative agencies within the US Government to ensure they are promoting the president`s agenda.

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Male 4,014
I`ll be fighting the GOP until I am a fricken corpse. And I expect nothing less than the same in return. Through conflict comes truth, the ultimate goal. And I am NOT saying I`m always right.

Oh, and BTW, I have a beautiful nickel plated 12 ga. shotgun, a 45 cal. semi-auto, a 9mm Glock, and my little beauty 357 magnum snub nose. I have a concealed carry license, and I carry frequently because IT IS MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Life is complicated.

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Male 4,014
"I think the problem with zealot left-wingers with obvious verve for higher education is the way they talk down to those who lack the afore mentioned education as if it will produce interest in scholastic endeavors."

NOTICE how the ONLY response is an attack on “elitist” left-wingers. WHAT ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT I SAID??? AM I WRONG???

Spell-check doesn`t catch compound words that are wrongfully separated yet whose parts are themselves properly spelled stand-alone words.

"Aforementioned" is one word.

And I`m not on IAB to win any converts. People are free to make up their own minds.

And I GLADLY express contempt for the purposefully ignorant, such as those who posted this tripe and either (1) blatantly and dishonestly mischaracterized the contents of the paper, or (2) simply lack the faculties to understand what was said, and blissfully ignore the truth as I have shown.

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Male 591
Actually, no, he doesn`t want to ban guns and free speech. But I`m laughing my ass off at the typical right-wing freakout over totally incorrect info.
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Female 377
We need guns to protect ourselves from the government!
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Male 2,440
Woah woah woah, hold the phone. A link from infowars.com? REALLY? The site of that crazy f*cktard Alex Jones? F*ck that! Don`t believe a word off of this insane site unless you`re wearing a tin foil hat.
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Male 346
I would love to see an article about this without the blatant bias that is in this one...

Anybody got one?

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Male 1,404

Your Honer, what happens when we all just say NO!

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Male 2,229
SamVimes, love the gif smiley
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Male 2,229
This article/link is not a surprise, since it is in the Project for the New American Century white paper. This is just the dissemination of the `blue print` for totalitarian take over. And if there is anything to the Haitian/Iraq/Afgan military operations, prepare thy selves for a puppet government that doesn`t give damn about anything other than its own skin.
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Male 2,796
I think the problem with zealot left-wingers with obvious verve for higher education is the way they talk down to those who lack the afore mentioned education as if it will produce interest in scholastic endeavors.

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Male 4,014
"I wonder what the hell would qualify him for that position?"

THIS: "Harvard Law School graduate, clerk for Justice Thurgood Marshall. One of the nation`s leading legal scholars. Author of numerous ground-breaking books on constitutional law and behavioral economics. Recently left long-time post as University of Chicago Law School professor to join faculty at Harvard Law."

Yeah, the LAST thing we need on the Supreme Court is a widely respected constitutional law scholar. HENCE why the tea-baggers are SO AFRAID.

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Male 4,014
This is the problem with GOP anti-intellectualism. You get people who don`t know how to read very well reading an academic paper, finding troubling words, and failing entirely to understand the concept of CONTEXT and the manner by which academics write explorative essays.

JUST BECAUSE HE WROTE A SENTANCE DOES NOT MEAN HE ENDORSES IT. It`s illustrative.

Its like me saying this:

"Nazi`s had an idea to kill jews."

And then right wing tea-baggers saying "LOOK! GOALIEJERRY SAYS HE AGREES WITH THE NAZI`S ABOUT KILLING JEWS!!"

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Male 4,014
(cont:) He specifically lists things the gov`t COULD DO, but also asks what SHOULD it do? And he says his position is:

"our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration
of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5)."

THUS BY IMPLICATION HE REJECTS (1) and (2).

Whats crazy is dumbf*cks read websites like this amazingly biased link and think they`ve learned something factual - WHEN THE ACTUAL FACTS ARE COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE.

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Male 4,014
What is this propaganda? You all realize what this is, right?

I`ve read the "Conspiracy Theories" paper. Here is the pertinant part.

"What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do,
what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1)
Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind
of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government
might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy
theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in
counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such
parties, encouraging them to help."

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?a...

He is THEORIZING AS ACADEMICS DO. He

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Male 478
*readies himself for the Obamaniacs to defend this nutcase*
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Male 601
Did anyone else notice how the guy in the videos was reading info directly from a wikipedia page?
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Male 301
Things that make you go hmmmm...
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Male 36,430
madest why do you insist on be-clowning yourself? Every post you make reinforces just how little you know.
[quote]which Supreme Court justice will either die or retire to make room for this nonsense?[/quote]
The article lists TWO. One who`s 75 and not well, the other is 90!!! That`s who. Jeez man, if you can`t even read a short article, why make stoopid comments about it?
THEN Opie makes a point that supports your previous position, and you B*TCH about it!!! Lolz! Sad.
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Male 712
“I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

This is the oath that a Supreme Court Justice takes when he or she is sworn in. Doesn`t look like this guy will ever hold himself to that oath...ever. I wonder what the hell would qualify him for that position?

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Male 4,547
However, I will say again that if you want to claim "The Supreme Court has never suggested that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to have guns" was not a factual statement when it was made in 2007, you`ll have to demonstrate.

Check the wording for most reports on the case at the time: Los Angeles Times for example points out this is the first time the Supreme court has specifically stated "the 2nd Amendment explicitly protects Americans` right to own guns for self-defense".

The Justices deliberation contains similar statements.

You could argue "The 2nd Amendment DOES protect X", but that does nothing to the statement that "The supreme court have never said so".

Not only does that statement remain true, you can make it while still claiming A2 protects individual gun ownership.

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Male 4,547
That I can`t help but take a shot at a pun?

Like this:

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Male 2,796
Baal: I have been on this site long enough to know you are educated and make good arguments. However, you have insulted me while I have not insulted you.

What do you think that says about you?

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Male 4,547
Splurb:
I`m fairly sure even the most adamant anti-gun lobbyist is fine with your sleeveless shirts.

Olk:
You say "That`s what they`re actually called :Link:"
Your link says "There have never been any U.S. government offices with the title "czar", but various governmental officials have sometimes been referred to by the nickname "czar" rather than their actual title".

Which leaves Pomunium with a point, though I disagree with the wide range to which he applies it.

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Male 2,796
"The Supreme Court has never suggested that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to have guns".

That is an untrue statement, hence the reason the District of Columbia residents are allowed their 2nd Amendment right.

A gun ban in America will never happen without a civil war. Ever.

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Male 4,547
1) Read his paper.
2) Source infowars.
3) Read a list of his views on wikipedia.
4) Source the video.

You`ll also note that infowars, without irony, wants him to be "forced out of office and barred from practicing law with immediate effect" for stating facts.

Such as "The Supreme Court has never suggested that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to have guns".

This is not his opinion. This is a statement of fact, not only this, but he was correct in that he added "Do not be surprised if the first time it happens is in the next 4 years".

First case of it happening: 2008

Date of his lecture: October 27, 2007.

Lectures, should never, ever, under any circumstances, be devoted to piping out the opinions of jackasses, rather than stating facts, irrespective of how annoyed you are at t

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Male 2,796
drat this idiot... It will never happen. This guy is almost as retarded as all of our president`s have been, including our current moron in office. They all suck, but one thing for certain is that our right to bare arms will not go away. This cat will be strung by his toes before that happens.
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Male 41
[This message has been altered by the US government for inappropriate opinions expressed against certain parties involved with or related to the Obama administration, and in turn, the United States of America]

This article was interesting.
The writer had some good points.

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Male 716
Guns are iffy.

But free speech.. yes, the first thing we thought about when creating this country, we should definately ban that. No question.

I really am considering leaving more and more by the day.

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Male 91
@pomunium thats what they`re actualy called,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S...
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Male 73
Sounds great to me. Well, the getting rid of guns part, anyway. Further, many legal theorists agree with him that almost all gun control regulation is consistent with the Constitution.
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Male 7,378
If this doesn`t ever happen then what did IAB share with us? Me thinks it`s called propoganda.
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Female 15,763
SEE, I-A-B!? HMM? WE SHOW SH*TTY PEOPLE FROM ALL PARTS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM!
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Female 77
I do love guns, though. Don`t get me wrong.
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Female 77
You know they`re a good ol` unbiased source when they call people Czars.
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Male 7,378
Really? Ok then which Supreme Court justice will either die or retire to make room for this nonsense? Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar. He`ll do a much better job picking a justice than that embarrassment GWB did.
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Male 7,585
not a respectable source, and the video shown only allowed him to get through half a thought before cutting over a new couple of sentences.
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Male 25,416
NOt getting political!
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Male 73
Infowars? What`s next? Moveon.org? Freerepublic? There is a reason we leave the wingers in the wings. Nobody is coming for your guns. You are quite safe in your barricaded trailers. Go back to watching Glenn Beck.
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Male 7,933
"not just someone’s emotional rant."

"This is another case of far right wing nuts twisting reality to support their own mental illness. God forbid they should use ANY critical thinking."

LOLIRONY!

"I dare them too, because you know if it actually happened you wouldn`t do anything about it."

You`ve obviously never been in the US. I don`t own a gun, but the second they tell me i cant have one I`ll be sure to have several

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Male 2,544
hes not doing a good job...i just bought an AK at a gun show sunday...man i love arizona!
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Male 207
Why the hell are we allowing Obama to stack the supreme court? What happened to a system of checks and balances? If we lose our guns and free speech than we are just further along in Obama`s socialism plan.
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Male 15,832
"`I dare them to come try to confiscate my family`s guns. I dare them.`

I dare them too, because you know if it actually happened you wouldn`t do anything about it."

I used to think that if they ever came for my guns, I`d blow their heads off. Then I realized how stupid that sounds. I live in the middle of the block. My neighbors would blow their heads off before they even got to my house.

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Male 734
Hope & Change.
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Male 2,076
infowars and prisonplanet is hardly a far right extremists groups, these guys were accused of being hard left people because they criticized Bush a lot. and I mean, a lot. People talk about getting your facts right. Get yours right too.
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Female 42
Infowars on IAB?? Sweet!!
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Female 999
"I dare them too, because you know if it actually happened you wouldn`t do anything about it."

and do you know why? Cause we`re americans and we sit by and let our government bend us over whatever they want and take it without lube.
All we`ve given them here in Cali about the bs we`re in up to our eyeballs (teacher`s unions, state worker`s wages, upsidedown budget, EVERYONE is sucking the teat of welfare and our kids aren`t learning anything in school) in has been a few tea parties and a tax rally.
Everybody is too worried about being proper and legal to do anything. Shoot, the other day we had that underwear bomber and we gave him a fuuking lawyer!!! He`ll see his day in court yet...

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Male 7
is I-A-B seriously getting articles from Infowars?

really? really?

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Male 14,330
@Vhreio

Lol ya I`ll give them my guns one round at a time.

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Male 533
lmao @ vhrejo. It is NEVER going to happen. MOST the people that actually own guns and know how to use them will have to have their weapons pried from their cold dead hands with their fingers still on their triggers.
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Male 206
15 seconds on the Google tells me your "Full disclosure" is somewhat less than "Full."
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Female 475
This is the LAST place I would have expected an infowars post to show up.

You surprise me, IAB.

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Male 506
"I dare them to come try to confiscate my family`s guns. I dare them. "

I dare them too, because you know if it actually happened you wouldn`t do anything about it.

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Male 2
Cmon IAB stick to poop picture and funny graphs. If I want lunatic right wing conspiracies I`ll go to Michell Malkin or Free Republic.
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Male 4,807
I thought I was reading an article from the onion for a minute there.
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Male 32
There are so many things wrong in this link, including the IAB caption. Sunstein isn’t a justice. He has never been nominated. He’s an academic. The clip in the link is a law school lecture.

To assess Sunstein you need to look at his record, not just someone’s emotional rant. He has both liberal and conservative ideas. He supported W’s Supreme Court nominees. He has spoken in favor of the death penalty and the second amendment. He is a proponent of judicial minimalism. It’s not as simplistic as the writer of the article wants it to be.

This is another case of far right wing nuts twisting reality to support their own mental illness. God forbid they should use ANY critical thinking. It’s an excellent example of why I will never call myself a republican again.

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Female 1,566
I dare them to come try to confiscate my family`s guns. I dare them.
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Female 4,039
This makes me want to buy a gun.
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Male 15,832
If you listen to Glenn Beck, this is very old news. This guy is just one of dozens of progressive fascists in the Obama administration.

BTW, if you try to spell fascists correctly on this site, it comes out fasçists.

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Male 4,746
Ha ha ha ha ha!
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Male 964
He is threading on thin , thin ice!
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Male 9,306
Link: Justice Sunstein Wants To Ban Guns, Free Speech [Rate Link] - Full disclosure: He`s President Obama’s appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Hmmm...
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