Did James Cameron Steal Avatar`s Idea? [Pic]

Submitted by: Fancys_Asst 7 years ago in Entertainment

The jury"s still out, but Disney"s Pocahontas has a serious case of copyright infringement on her hands.
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Male 77
brilliant.
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Female 914
eh, don`t care anymore.

funny @ Aidieal

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Female 250
Augh! Spoiler?
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Male 168
I mean, star wars was pretty much watching Shake Spears plays all over again xD

You know Shakespeare is one word right? It`s the dudes last name.

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Female 118
well Disney got Pocahontas from Smith`s "real" encounters with Pocahontas. And by real I mean they were all lies.
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Male 131
Does it really matter that much?
I mean, star wars was pretty much watching Shake Spears plays all over again xD
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Female 5,222
:O really? ive gotta watch this movie now XD
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Male 167
Also, KoalaMeatPie,

Ridiculously involved comment is ridiculous.

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Male 167
I grow weary of people complaining about this Pocahontas business. Avatar was still an epic movie. I never liked Pocahontas anyway.
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Male 2,576
All I`m saying is: I called it from far orbit.
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Male 2,576
FINAL PART

So, in conculsion, Avatar? Unoriginal (It`s drating Pocahantas: IN SPACE! You even have a romance between a Collonist and a Schmurf FFS!), specific demographic and no Celine Dion. (This is important,
Leona Lewis is not Celine Dion. And more to the point, who the hell is Leona Lewis?)

Avatar is doom to fail to succeed.

We all know that it will make it`s budget in less then a week thanks to all the hype around the making of the movie not the quality of the product itself (Might aswell say "Your car has been made out of the finest glass, polished to a shine by 11 Brazillian models") thus will have the inevetible advertisment with a prominent "#1 Movie in Canada".

It`s poo, it will make a lot of money. Don`t see it.

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Male 2,576
PART THREE

Terminator 3: Also known as the downfall of the Terminator series, soo bad that Those behind T4 concider your work "not of the same timeline" i.e.; "non-canon"

Titanic: No debating here, that was a success. It appealled to many demographics, hell, I wanted to see it for the whole "disaster" aspect every 9, 10 year old likes. It also had Celine Dion. This movie appealed to many different people AND those who like Celine Dion`s nazals tones.

Terminator 2: A Sequal (key word) to a dark horse success and a rising star. Yes, the movie was awesome, but no matter the awsomeness of something, if it had not been a sequal, it would not have had the budget it got. Which is what happened with "The Terminator"

The Terminator: Great original Story, never before seen footage, dark horse success.

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Male 2,576
PART TWO

James, your movie is poo. Long gone are the days of Terminator and Aliens. You are making a movie, in the future, retelling the whole "Colonists vs Aboriginese" with overgrown Gi-Joe war machines and Shmurfs. Literal, overgrown, Schmurfs. All blue and at one with nature. Shmurfs. Even has a Shmurfette.

There is nothing original about this. It has been done, to death. You are doing Pocahantas: IN SPACE! - Hardly anything is improved by adding said suffix. (See Jason X or Disney`s Treasure Planet)

If you are not yet convinced that the movie is going to be poo, lets analyse. Here are the last projects you worked on:

The Sarah Conor Chronicles: Allthough good, failled to attract viewers. PLUS, you had everything going for you seeing as their was a writter`s strik meaning relatively few new and/or quality shows where on that where not repeats.

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Male 2,576
I wrote this on December 17th, 2009, way before Avatar was released:


PART ONE

URGH I am tired of this drummed up "Avatar" following. Most of the moviegoers will not know or care that you have invented a unique language, or used "brand new" filming techniques. The movie will have to stand up on it`s own.

Unfortunately, from what I have read and seen, the story is bland and unoriginal, the the characters unexciting. This is a nine year old boy`s movie. Thats your demographic, like it or not.

So when it fails to meet expectations of everyone losing their proverbial poo, buying all the merchandise and [always, consistently awefull] tie-in game, remember this:

I called it.

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Male 534
People also noticed the similarities with Fern Gully.

oh Avatar. Well at least it`s bringing the idea to more people.

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Male 772
Same here, Rainwolf. Even if he did use the same idea, he obviously pulled it off a DAMN sight better than anyone else has so far.
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Female 82
Meh you could argue the same with just about every movie based on two different cultures. I personally loved that movie, I can`t wait for the DVD to come out.
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Female 204
wow, haha this is basically it Avatar.
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Male 2,868
"Tom Cruise was the last samurai.
Even just saying it is hilarious."

`What`s next, the last nigga on earth starring Tom Hanks?` -Paul Mooney

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Male 2,868
@pui I fully agree about the use of Papyrus.

And people can hate all they want, but I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and I`ll see it again. Although I watched Aliens the other day and it made me miss good old-fashioned animatronix. The alien queen is one of the most bad-ass special effects ever created.

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Male 8,300
And just about every other Girl Meets Boy Against Wishes of Evil InsertRelativeHere While No-one in InsertSocietyHere Understands movie.
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Male 4,546
Uhm, and every other movie about American settlers in America.
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Female 1,589
Funny thing is, when I was watching it, this is exactly what I was thinking. XD
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Female 1,427
Only ONE difference.

Tsu`tey doesn`t die that fast and Eycutan does.

HAHA. WHERE IS YOUR PLOT NAO?!?!?!

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Male 2,510
Tom Cruise was the last samurai.

Even just saying it is hilarious.

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Male 741
Also: The Last Samurai, Dances With Wolves.
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Female 735
UM, DUH!!! THE PLOT WAS poo!
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Male 1,150
thats cool....i haven`t seen it yet. jerks
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Female 158
ahaha they really are alike! disney should sue!
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Male 3,431
He forgot that in both movies you spend half your time hoping to see up the skirt of the lead lady.
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Female 1,441
It doesn`t matter if the story has been done before as long as it was executed well and it was.

Besides, exploiting native peoples for their resources is nothing new or original. It`s something that has actually happened in history and has been adapted for literature/film countless times.

Just because it`s a story we`ve heard before doesn`t mean it`s not worth hearing.

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Male 2,796
Whoa... wait a second. Is he saying there was a plot with a beggining, middle and end. There was also a hero and a villain?? What the drat? Well that`s all been done before!
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Male 999
i guess...
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Female 3,828
woah when you put it that way it does sound the same...but there are a lot of differences, too.
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Male 91
I can write a summary for a movie and later change words to make it seem like another movie as well.
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Male 74
And Lion King reference too!
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Female 529
I`ve only seen a couple of clips, but the dialogue was pretty bad.
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Male 41,139
This doesn`t even get into the jumping off of cliffs, the sentient `animal friends` and the PC force-feeding of the "noble savage` myth (which is actually an unspeakable insult to any aborigional person, eh?)
Do the blue peeps sing badly too?
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Male 658
I have been saying since I saw it that I never thought I would enjoy watching lanky smurfs reenact Pocahontas so much.
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Male 236
lol i don`t care if it was pocahontas with blue people, i still liked it!
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Male 294
>>You don`t see Avatar for the storyline, anyway, >>you see it for the visual effects.

Except that the effects looked so real in some parts that you forgot they were special effects... (In my case anyways. lol)

AVATAR FTW!

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Male 1,455
Give it ten years. Once the spectacle of the CGI wears off, all that will be left is Dances With Wolves In Space and not much else.
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Male 23
Haha unobtainium was in The Core too. This movie was not good because of the script, it was the delicious CGI!
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Male 2,510
It wasn`t THE best movie EVER11111!!!!!!!

But i do give it credit it was a good movie.

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Male 9,305
Even when I was watching the movie "unobtainium"? Seriously?
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Male 332
I thought it was Pocahontas when I first saw Avatar!!!
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Male 350
>Kaikuro
>And now here it is - the best movie ever :)

WHAT THE F*CK???

>Female, 13-17

OH.

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Male 2,148
Saw this earlier on /b/. One of the few examples of material there that`s the slightest bit funny.
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Male 56
Lando, you must be trollin. I liked the storyline in Avatar, and the graphics complemented it.

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Male 326
Pocahontas + Ferngully + Dances With Wolves + abusive levels of CGI = Avatar
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Male 894
wow. complete parallels between the two stories. if it weren`t for technology, we would have a copyright issue on our hands.
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Male 25,416
Everyone knew Pocahontas was actually avatar! they stole the idea!
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Male 2,510
Was there ever a question of Avatar being Pocahontas?

^^^^

i was thinking the same thing, lol, people amuse me.

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Male 3,842
Disney didn`t invent the story of Pocahontas, the story was invented by historians over the years. Anybody can make a movie about historical legends. You don`t see Avatar for the storyline, anyway, you see it for the visual effects.
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Male 663
How was it anti american in any way shape or form? It was just a futuristic retelling of pocahauntas. I thought everyone knew that.

Saw it in 3d imax though. Badass.

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Female 525
Kaik:
"It was an amazing movie, doesn`t matter if the idea was `recycled`. James Cameron spent more than 30 years planning this movie, because originally there wasn`t enough technological advancment to make it. And now here it is - the best movie ever :)"

Actually, he wrote the script 15 years ago but didn`t actually start working on filming it til the last 4-5 years. He stated this in an interview. He simply "shelved it" for 10 years until the technology was ready, not because he was always making it better.

The person who stated the Carl Jung thing is very true, every story is based off another story, every character cliche is based off another character cliche..

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Female 525
See it for the graphics, not the story. The same story has been used a million times in the film industry already, as proven above.
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Female 169
Was there ever a question of Avatar being Pocahontas?
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Male 15,832
I was going to go see Avatar till I heard that the story is just a bunch of preachy left-wing, anti-American propaganda. I`m not going to pay $20 for two tickets if I know in advance it`s just going to piss me off. Now that I know it`s not even an original story, it makes me even more convinced I made the right decision.

James Cameron may be a brilliant filmmaker, but he`s a major-league @$$hole, so f**k him!

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Female 1
honestly i thought it was closer to fern gully yet another disney movie they all have the same plot
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Male 226
Yea Emily, but the idea is to mix the story with others. Not just change the setting and hope people forget about the original.
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Male 1,598
No musical numbers in Avatar? Looks like Disney just won this round.
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Male 318
talk about spoiler.
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Male 5,314
i don`t want to read becuase it looks like it might spoil the movie for me. i`ve yet to see it.
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Female 128
Have you ever heard the saying that "there are no new stories"?
Every story has an archetype, or core conflict/idea/plot, and there are only so many of those. Almost every story nowadays is an echo of one of Shakespeare`s plays, for example. Both Pocahontas and Avatar are stories of star-crossed lovers, the core conflict of Romeo and Juliet.
Every story is a recycled version of a former story, because they share the same archetypes. Read up on Carl Jung for more information.
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Male 287
@Kaikuro

I see you`re aged somewhere between 13 and 17. Figures.

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Female 14
It was an amazing movie, doesn`t matter if the idea was `recycled`. James Cameron spent more than 30 years planning this movie, because originally there wasn`t enough technological advancment to make it. And now here it is - the best movie ever :)
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Male 639
>>"Anyone else notice it was even more identical to an old film called Ferngully the Last Rainforest?? Except with Na`vi and not fairies....

Still it was a beautiful film, stunning to watch visually but an old and well used plotline :D"<<

WIN. Watched it all the time in my early years.

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Female 12
Anyone else notice it was even more identical to an old film called Ferngully the Last Rainforest?? Except with Na`vi and not fairies....

Still it was a beautiful film, stunning to watch visually but an old and well used plotline :D

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Male 1,958
I thought he stole dances with wolves
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Female 3,574
I`m more annoyed about the movie`s use of Papyrus. It`s a multi-million dollar, ground-breaking film... and James Cameron decided on Papyrus? wtf.

Seriously though, it`s an amazing movie.

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Male 3,425
This film was cleary inspired by Native American culture, but that doesn`t make it any less brilliant. Besides, give me a Hollywood film nowadays that doesn`t use a generic plot line, they`re especially prominent in romantic comdies and family films.

I would still recommend anyone to see this film, it`s visually stunning, and the plot and characters really aren`t as bad as the uptight critics make them out to be.

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Male 690
Ever occur to you there is such a thing as a "Formulaic plot" and that the writers for both films were lazy hacks? Hmmm?
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Male 7,839
nexus, i was there for the whole movie. it just must have been such a small moment during the big battle that i dont remember it.
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Male 52
And? It was pretty obvious that Avatar was based off of Native Americans vs Colonists when I first saw the preview.
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Female 136
cobra: Tsutey died trying to get on the big ship during the big battle. Made me mad how it was made to be like a side note, you were probably in the bathroom and missed it, that`s how short the mention was.

Ans I only saw this for the sparkly, awesome graphics. I figured the plot was gonna be mediocre given that the trailer seemed to focus on explosions and zomg there are blue aliens.

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Male 2,868
"very similar no doubt, but the ending differs greatly."
It was left open for sequels- and if they act as an accruate parable for the relationship between "civilized" people and indigenous people in the United states, The Company will return with diseases and addictive substances and thoroughly destroy and demoralize the Na`vi. Then they`ll let them open casinos and act like they`re doing them a favor by doing so.
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Male 820
There are no new ideas.
also
Avatar= Pocahontas + Dances with Wolves+ some action movies+ a few nip slips
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Male 100
Could also do exactly this with Dances with Wolves IMHO.
What a piece of [email protected]#%^ Avatar was. I hope he does get sued. By the makers of Fern Gully, Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas, everyone.
Although he did add 1 thing. They plugged their f*cking hair into trees. I hope he dies in a car fire. Hair into trees!! DIAF Cameron!
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Male 500
If Neytiri then shat herself to death in a (space?)ship near England when she was still in her early 20`s, then it surely is a rip-off of Pocahontas. I have not seen the Disney movie, but presumably "resolving their differences" means slaughtering all the Indians and stealing their land (ok, not a good plot for a kids movie, but the Germans didn`t retell the "Holocaust Story" with the Waffen-SS having a barndance and BBQ with all the Jews of Germany and Eastern Europe at the end of the movie). History is written by the victors, which is why us British are as pure as the driven snow.
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Male 216
very similar no doubt, but the ending differs greatly.
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Male 4,807
Well... I WAS going to see it tonight. Now I`m not sure because I`ve already seen Pocohantas. I wish, really wish, there was a spoiler alert on this post.
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Male 3,301
And I`m pretty sure Pocahontis was taken from Dances With Wolves in turn.
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Male 26
just curious,but, wasnt unobtanium the metal they used for the vehicle in the core?
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Male 7,839
tsutey wasnt killed in avatar. also you could do this with a lot of movies. it is a basic plot structure that has been used many times. its the details of the movie that are important.
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Male 1,764
Well, the last part did not match too well, but whatever.
The whole point of Avatar is to show the greed of conquerors and the horrors of war and the blah blah blah, so there`s no real surprise it matches an actual story about explorers conquering by force the natives` homeland.
The storyline is generic and has been done a thousand times, if you`re planning to see Avatar because of it, then don`t. The movie overall is very enjoyable (explosions! robots! aliens!), even with the aforementioned crappy plot.
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Male 1,674
wow, i didn`t know the original screenplay was written as a 12 year old`s book report.
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Male 893
Howtheworldworks was right
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Male 418
um... i agree and all but.... let us not forget THAT NOT ONE SINGLE DISNEY CARTOON MOVIE IS AN ORIGINAL IDEA. They are all stolen. I seriously doubt The Grimm Brothers gave them permission to pussify their stories..... and `The Lion King` ? Ha look up that outright stolen piece of work and read up on how Disney denies it all.

- I don`t think any movies in my lifetime have been created as a new fresh idea. so damn sad

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Male 409
There are a dozen movies which follow this plotline, Pocahontas is hardly the only one. The two that come to mind are "Dances with Wolves" and "Last Warrior".

However, I still enjoyed the movie and would recommend it.

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Male 1,596
you could replace any of the variables with any number of character`s names - avatar is a technological showpiece with a bland and generic storyline
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Female 9,585
When you put it that way...
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Male 2,552
Touche.
Well, at least one could see it from the point of view that, now there are proper explosions in it, guys will love it for it`s epicness and girls for the cute story. And the environment on Pandora. Sorta.

In whichever case: it`s a (sorta, once again) grown up version of Pocahontas, but one that both boys and girls like! =D

Pass the win will you.

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Male 287
Seems pointless to mention that Disney based their story on the legend of Pocahontas, making wether or not Avatar ripped off the story a moot point.
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Male 504
Well good thing I am waiting for the blu-ray to come out.
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Male 3,014
Hey guys... you know what?

I think James Cameron ripped off Disney`s Pocahontas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs

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Male 17,511
Not completely accurate, But close.
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Female 1,780
Link: Did James Cameron Steal Avatar`s Idea? [Pic] [Rate Link] - The jury`s still out, but Disney`s Pocahontas has a serious case of copyright infringement on her hands.
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