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By whose standards is he unjust? Maybe by your standards or the standards of today but you don`t know his motivation
PS. Isn`t our God supposed to be forgiving and compassionate? then why kill them? also, did our God even think about the unborn babies of that time? no! He even killed the innocent and unborn!
Kinda like saw? :D
A) The flood never happened. b) By Biblical terms (if it had happened) god DID kill those people. Who sent the bloody flood? Who told Noah to build the ark?
Are you people really that stupid? Do you acctually read the bible?
In the case of Noah`s Arc, it was GOD that killed them. Sure they the people had a choice, but the guy with the most power, GOD, chose to kill them instead of using his godly powers save them and force them to repent.
But keep going, I`d like to see where you going with this..
People keep spewing out facts on this site without acctually having any hence my annoyance!
Myth.Isn`t Atheism the Same as Communism?
You clearly are having a problem with this, thus my annoyance at you rolling out Stalin and Communism. I`m not going to dispute that there are plenty of "atheist" ideas in Communism but you are confusing the men with the system. Vladimir Lenin often spoke out against religion and was an atheist yet in communist China "freedom of religion" is more or less guarenteed.
So get your facts right.
Your proping up Stalin as some form of atheistic leader (no such thing) when infact he was a totalitarian, exactly the same thing as Hitler and it is documented he considered himself a Catholic (though he was not a practicing one).That said, Hitler did a fine job of rallying all the German Christians to get up and fight for him.
However..since you bring up the Crusades that was s
By the way, the crusades were composed by humans. It wasn`t God. If they used God`s name, that`s another story.
But I have to get one thing clear...
Isn`t torture worse than death?
The crusades "in god`s name" (aka Christianity) killed more people than nearly any evil HUMAN movement on earth before and since.
Hitler was raised Roman Catholic but ceased all official religious observance when he became an adult. He did often reffer to the creator in his in some of his speeches and "Mein Kampf" however.That said, it is documented that in 1941he said to General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" so one has to assume he thought of himself as catholic.He never left the church and he was never excommunicated (no suprise there).
He wasnt an Atheist either (contrary to what some christians would have you belive).
Nice try, but Hitler wasn`t Christian... He kind of tried to invent his own religion...
And you belive that Myth?
Communism fails because upon implementation it becomes Totalitarian, therefore every so called communist nation is infact a totalitarian nation.
Of course if your stupid enough to belive atheist = communist = cold blooded killer then this is a wasted post, because lets be honest, no one wants to discuss these complicated matters with a retarded cabbage!
Wow, no... Sure they killed a lot of people and it was horrible. But, the crusades anyone? How about the inquisition? the list goes on.
You forgot zombies viczko zombies. Now for the ultimate combo a zombie kitty jesus....
Starving Zomibe Kitteh
Don`t know if you remember, we emailed once before. I grew up in Portadown and watched the fires of the zealots burn on the hill from the kitchen window.
Religion is a farce, a list of do`s and don`ts intended to scare you into being a good person. Faith, IMHO, is (or at least should be) entirely different, it should be personal and positive, rather than theologically atheistic and indifferent.
Bring in the doctrine of zombies and you`ve got more crap hitting the fan, than you hear at a joint Miley/Billy-Ray Cyrus concert.
ANYWAY, I go to bed, come back and see what happened here, and the most important thing I came away with was: 5cats has been playing matchmaker (about as effectively as making any kind of point)!
So, uh... hey Baal, when are we going out?
ok I`ll stop now..
Thats OK, just reimburse me for the cost of a new mouse and we`ll forget all about it
Suck on that bitches.
Churches were closed, religions were banned, but no one was killed.
That`s because Baalthazaq is pretty much the last Christian left on IAB defending his beliefs from the poo-storm of "l0l, relligon is teh sux0rzzz".
I gave up a long time ago.
neheheheheimjoking btw im not religious really that just made me chuckle
I do believe that Satan was supposed to be the originator (cause) of mankind to sin.
And sin = death.
So technically, Satan is the cause of all deaths.
Again, this is from my limited religious perspective, and I`m sure there are the arguments of why God lets people die, but I suppose the answer to that question is based on your particular flavor of religious beliefs.
OMG OPIE YOU`VE LOST YOUR PORT AILERON!!! EJECT! EJECT!
Let me try again:
U R RETerded lol.
*tosses a Zombie Survival Guide as her theological choice and ducks*
Can I second that, its wearing out my mouse wheel having to scroll past it all
Dear sir, Judging by the large block of text you have posted I have come to determine that you are angry. I am very sorry if this post has inspired banter. I do wish you a good year and whatever you are arguing about to soothe your soul.
Luckily, I`m not like that. I get what you`re saying, but from the standpoint of running a website it doesn`t make sense to me why anybody would approve of this - they knew it was going to cause a flame war and a lot of people were going to be offended and there would be a great big debate.
If it were any other website, I`d be fine. But that`s not what this site is for. This site is for curing boredom, and all this picture has done towards that is anger a lot of people who anger other people.
TL;DR:(religious link submitted)Admins: :D (posts religious link)Forum: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE(site traffic)($$$$)(disgruntled site users)
What does this mean? Well, I`ll tell ya. I can`t tell ya whether or not there is a god, but I can tell you that the beliefs of a human mean absolutely SQUAT when it comes to determining whether or not there is one.
If you want me to believe that there is a god then you need to offer something stronger than the beliefs of an Odin worshiper as proof. And don`t offer your beliefs, because they aren`t any stronger than the beliefs of that Odin worshiper.
How can you have over 500 posts and still not know what IAB is all about?
tvremote = :)
Then yes, Jews, Muslims, and Christians have different Gods. Lets go further: As does every individual.
No two people are going to have an identical concept of God, and according to you, a different aspect = an entirely different being.
You claimed I said "Islamic Belief = Christian Belief". I did not.
You are not talking about some other Baalthazaq, who said these things. You are simply wrong about what this Baalthazaq (the same Baalthazaq you`re arguing (poorly) with) said.
You have not (by drating up what I said) created a second Baalthazaq, nor a third, nor a fourth by drating it up previously.
There is one here, it is me. You`re just wrong about what I said.
NOW, just because Jews claim God did not have a son, does not suggest that they think it must be another God who had a son. They are saying that Christians are mistaken when they suggest God (the God we`ve been discussing the whole time) had a Son.
Seriously, the table analogy and Tom Cruise analogy both work fine.
No wonder you didn`t want to address them and instead made an offhand comment about cats. (Before suggesting *I* don`t stick to the point).
There is no need to explain further.
"Just because Islam copies parts of Christianity (in the same way Christianity copies parts of Judaeism) does not mean that Islamic Belief = Christian Belief."
I have never stated that Christian belief and Islamic belief are the same.
You said the word Strawman, to me, and then proceed with arguing against a statement I have never made.
Effectively, your argument is correct on one condition:Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all agree that everyone else is correct.
They do not.
We are talking about the same God, and simply disagree on whether or not God said circumcision is necessary.
Christians do not believe that a second God called Allah asked for circumcision, they believe that the same God, didn`t.
fify! (capital P there brother!)NO NO NO! Bad Baalth!Different beliefs! We`re not talking here (directly) about God, just about the belief systems. YOU can say all you like that YOUR belief system has 1 God and it`s the same as Jews and Christians, have fun!BUT others (like the aforementioned Jews and Christians) have different belief systems and THEIR God is NOT Allah! Your straw-man arguemnets are increasing my boredom, Ghod-Dammit!Got it? Good!Hinus do not worship Allah, k?
Both religion`s preach that Jesus was:Sent by God. Of virgin birth.
The difference is terminology when it comes to parentage. "Son" in Arabic implies sex with God, and therefore is seen as giving God base attributes.
The actual sequence of events are the same however.
The difference is not "Jesus + story + attributes", or "Three heads!".
It is one word. The sequence of events leading up the the crucification are also the same. the major difference here is in Islam, he was protected by God, in Christianity he was crucified.
There is more than enough information to understand my point here Cat, feel free to catch up at any point.
Especially when the criticism revolves around "keeping on point", and you`re playing matchmaker between me and Boad, even though so far our only similarity is that we seem to disagree with you.
(Seriously, can you genuinely not distinguish between an argument or do they all simply roll into a ball of "Omg they don`t like me u should date LMAO!"
Until some semblance of reasoned debate comes from you, I shall continue to have barely any respect for your opinion when it comes to "intelligence".
Hail Satan! I got into a conversation with 3 "Witnesses" at a drunken Tits-or-GTFO Party last night. It surprised some that I mentioned I`m a Satanist, like Lucifer the fallen angel of God. I am the enemy of Yahweh. HAIL SATAN and may his Reign be Mighty
"which renders my alignment Lawful Neutral"
I normally don`t like you, but a reference to D&D must be properly praised.
If we have a disagreement about a table right in front of us, we are not talking about different tables if I say it is beige and you say it is more light brown.
Same table. Difference of opinion on an attribute.
The same applies to God. Unless you`re not talking about the God that:Came to moses. Made Adam/Eve. Created the universe. Came to Abraham. Sent Jesus. Sent Noah. Commanded the building of an Arc. Protected Jonah in the belly of the whale. Sent Enoch/Eber/Lot/Ishmael/Isaac/Jacob/Joseph/Job/Jethro /Aaron/David/Solomon/Elijah/Elisha/Ezekiel/Zakariah/ and John the baptist.
But oh! Really? Your (non-traditional) interpretation of an aspect of him is different? Gosh, I guess they`re TOTALLY different people we`re discussing here!
On the second thing, of course I`ve seen the posts Santa for Adults etc, on this site and others. If you`re gently probing me to see if I`m plagiarising previously-spouted points, I`m not at all (I genuinely think religion is "Santa for Adults" all on my own.). I`m not in the business of regurgitating previous arguments, good logic or otherwise. It really was a genuine experience.
In other words. You were just wrong on every count.
1) They are all 3 about redemption. 2) They are all 3 equally "listen or else". 3) Even if they weren`t this remains an attribute, and therefore does not make them different gods.
Russia killed quite a few trying to wipe out religion.
2) there is no way, as a Moderator of this site, you have not seen at least 30 or 40 posts of "God is Santa for adults". No. Way.
The greek doesn`t says Gods, it says gods. (Small g)The arabic doesn`t say Allahs, it says ilahs. (Same difference)
Where the bible says God (capital G), it is a translation from the Greek which says "the god". In Arabic, this is "al-ilah". al=the, ilah=god.
When concatenated, this becomes: God (Drop the "the" capitalize the G), and Allah (Drop the i).
Furthermore, a different attribute of God, does not make a different God. (By your logic, the Jews were worshiping some other God).
Lets go through an example:If you give me a thirty page rundown of the life of Tom Cruise including his filmography. I give you the same. They are identical except I say he didn`t have pets, and you say he had a cat.
Now, options: 1) At least one of us is wrong about the cat. 2) There is an entirely different Tom cruise running around with an identical life to the first (is in all the same films, won the same awards).
And I thought to myself, "Wow! If only there was a similar way to control actual adults".
That was the point at which I ascertained a deeper understanding of what religion is. I`m not making this up, it really happened this week and it was a turning point for me. And it wasn`t in the direction of god, lemme tell ya.
Funny you mention that. If I can take off my impartial referee Mod hat for a moment (it`s stifling sometimes) which renders my alignment Lawful Neutral, and momentarily don my Regular User hat (which is more like Chaotic Good), I had a revelation last week, which I`d like to share.
I have a 3-year-old daughter. Last week, just before Christmas, my girl was acting up a bit. Nothing serious, but making life a bit difficult, as kids do. At those moments, with Christmas fast approaching, my wife just had to say to her: "Santa`s watching, now, you better behave!"
Sorry Cats, missed that bit. Your posts are valued and add to the colour of this site which I love so much. Please keep `em coming, I can only speak personally, but your contribution makes me less bored for one!
if anyone had read logic for first-graders, they would know this.
religion is not a bad thing, it just brings the worst out in people. namely people who disagree with theri religion.
We`re not scared Cats, if that`s your drive. Hell, I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and am still here. Not much scares me anymore when it comes to religious differences.
We don`t avoid anti-Islam links because we`re afraid. We avoid them because they ain`t funny. At least, we haven`t seen a funny one yet. It`s literally that simple.
*sigh* Eplaining the obvious to the ignorant.Modern Islam demands that gays be jailed and/or killed. Period. Today, not in ancient times. Not "some" ALL, if you are a Muslim you must believe this. Just like not eating pork, 5x a day paryers & etc.Christianity USED TO do many bad things to homosexuals, this is true. Lately (past 100 years or so) it`s been more like "hate the sin not the sinner". Ok? Boadicea, you should talk to Baalth, lmao! Date, even.LazyMe, Charles Manson ring a bell? How about Clifford Olson? BTK? Green River? Pickton? No, no one who`s an athiest is violent, eh?Sorry Glowy, had to edit. Many mass murderers believe there is no God, so they do count as atheistic killers. The point is that the origional idea of this "graph" is just as silly, eh?
Meant with sincere respect to all.
Look, we`re a website which tries to alleviate boredom and ennui in everyday life. That is all. It just so happens that there are not that many entertaining links out there bashing Allah, or Vishnu, or atheism for that matter. If they`re out there, submit them, and if they`re sweet, they`ll be posted.
We know some people get pissed off, but these kind of things (in moderation), generate lots of energy and discussion, get people up off their arse and get animated, and by definition, make people un-bored in one way or another. That`s all we`re trying to do.
No one is willing to kill or die for the non-existence of God. Just like how no one is willing to kill or die for the non-existence of UFOs or unicorns or fairies or leprechauns.
Also why do some gay women dress like men? I assume a women dressing like a man would be less attractive to a gay women, as she would look like a man.
Explanations: I DEMAND THEM! :D
Suck on that bitches.
Is that some kind of rebuttal to him saying that some of the worst gay bashers are christians? So the fact that (some) Muslims also hate gays makes it okay or less terrible for christians to do so? What point are you making?
I just want to call bs on this. Only about 1/10 that many people die every day of ANY cause, much less of hunger.
[quote]How is `God` the same as `Allah`?[/quote] Well said dax2009! (cuchulainn - it was Baalth who said that Allah and God are the same)
...and STOP ARGUING!!
I want to know where these numbers came from (dont say the bible, cause DUH) but did someone sit down and tally it all up? I think they stats were pulled from their butt
That`s quite a mental image
"It`s cherry picked to for maximum effect. You know it, I know it!" Yes it is, and it has been abused for Millenia to justify just about every evil that one human can perpetrate on another.
Mindless religion is as abhorrent as mindless atheism. If you believe - read and learn why you believe, the same charge goes for non-belief.
As for metaphor vs literal - that`s not straight forward. The Bible is not a single piece of writing by a single author written with a single purpose. To believe that God created the world in the way explained in Genesis ignores the purpose of Genesis - to understand a Divine Being by understanding the underlying structure in the chaos of creation. Yet the teachings of Christ are not myth - even though the writings are distorted by 20-80`s of time there exists underlying principles - honor God, honor one another, care for those are unable to care for themselves.
And I apologize for my smart-ass comment about Ghandi. I wrote in a
Or something like that.
Some people had some stories (which likely happened and were great and realistic at the time) that were held on to for-- what? Decades before being written down and recorded. Then it was edited over more ridiculous periods of time, with people throwing in their own two cents, taking out what they didn`t agree with, adding some crap that made sense at the time, and continuing on.
For drat`s sake, they had a damn council to decide if Jesus was a part of God or not (among other things). Yeah, a council of random dudes really knew enough to decide about that. "Gee, do you think this guy that died a million years ago was made out of the almighty other guy nobody has ever seen? Let`s put it to a vote!"
It`s not worth getting worked up over; if you like it and want to live by its message, which I can only assume is be a decent person, then go nuts. I`d rather do that using common sense though.
Satan doesn`t exist, and even if it did, humanity really doesn`t need the help, we`re doing just fine without it.
As for this being hell, with 15,000,000 people dying of hunger every day while we in the "civilized" world sit back and stuff our gluttonous selves, I find it hard to believe that this isn`t hell. How much worse could hell be than babies starving to death while parents are helpless to prevent it?
You wont call me on anything! Religion is a house of cards. It`s based on fluffy thinking and faulty logic and most of all, fear. No christian can decided if the whole bible is literal or metaphorical. If it`s supposed to be literal then Genesis is in a lot of trouble and thats just for starters. If it`s metephorical then the whole things open for debate and nothing in the bible should be taken at face value...but thats not happening either!
It`s cherry picked to for maximum effect. You know it, I know it!
Oh and if your gonna try to be smart dont trip over before we even begin. Mohandas Karamchand Ghandi IS Mahatma Gandhi. The Indian people called Gandhi Mahatma, it meaning "Great Soul".Either name is acceptable.
Honestly...it`s not like we dont have google at our finger tips!
Only all the smiting kind of shows his true colours, as Satan is truly who he is, and he uses the God alias to keep people a little off-kilter and with a false sense of security.
So Satan is actually God, and "God" doesn`t even exist. We are in hell already. Chew on that.
I didn`t say the commonly understood Judeo-Christian term "God" was the same as Allah.
And it`s not christian-bashing that I take issue with, since this material includes Jewish Scripture, also. If you have an issue with my faith in Christ, take it up with me, and I will respect your belief/non-belief, and most likely agree with you that the history and current place of "The Church" is pathetic. Sit back and take cheap pot-shots and I will call you on it.
And my hypocrisy would be what exactly? Racism and homophobia are very diffrent from someone questioning your religion. Of course, you preffer to call it "christian bashing" and perhaps it is. I dont care really.
You can bleat about hypocrisy all you want but lets be honest, christians have been prodding us non belivers with the pointy stick for centurys. Would you like a history lesson or did the dark ages (along with many other historical faux pas from christians) never happen? It;s really quite sad. To quote Mahatma Gandhi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
So very true.
You`re still dealing with people; people who have a faith in Deity.
My issues is "the easy target". Mockery, simply on the grounds that a person chooses to believe or not believe, is pathetic. Don`t believe the Bible/Q`ran/Torah/Version of Sacred Literature, that`s fine, but don`t become a hypocrite by using that same VSL to mock others` beliefs. This is just another means of hating.
Funny how people feel the need to point out hypocrisy in others, and never identify it in themselves
Funny that..some of the worst gay bashers ARE christian.
...and no, I dont think we`ll be stopping with these sort of posts any time soon.
Hold on I`m confused... I was under the impression (as it has been preached to me before) that we have free will and therefore anything that we as human beings do that is evil is actually Free will... So either we are choosing to do it or being influenced by Satan and then surely it is Satan`s will..
Then again anything good we do is God`s will so we`re kinda screwed really... This is gets so bloody confusing... Don`t know how you guys do it.
So he sent himself to die as payment to himself for a crime he saw in advance billions of years ago and caused directly.
However, Doing so is really fallacious because mankind itself has killed billions people. And it can be argued that many of those mass murdering men were under the influence of satan.
umm jesus wasn`t killed by god and even if he was killing his son would be the ultimate sacrifice
Don`t f*ck with God!
(Reply to baalthazag, the first post)I don`t get why Christians just don`t get that fact it`s pretty god dammed simple isn`t it. A different language I wonder if its like the other way around in the middle east or other mostly Muslim places
and to coodude26,Just deal with the religious poo one time I had a christian friend who told me I was going to burn in Hell because I was Muslim we were 5 years old and he hasn`t talked to me since"
I can only correct spelling/grammar mistakes, but his point still remains a mystery.
Or I could just say his comment means "Blaaaaah."
and coodude26just deal with the religious poo one time a had a christian friend who told me i was going to burn in hell because i was muslim we were 5 and he hasnt talked to me since
I`d like to see if it exists.
So by your logic, God murdered all those people for sinning, yes?
The hell did he need Jesus for, then?
thats what i get for going to a christian school all my life.
Really? You know that you only look stupid with the arguing.
I`d suggest that you do a little more research into Hitler`s reasoning for what he did.
Christian SourceMuslim Source
*gasp* DEVIL!!! 666 POSTS! REMOVE THINE SELF FROM THINE...umm...COMMENT SECTION! NOW, HEATHEN!
I dunno. No one here can compete with the douchiness of your profile.
"My name`s Jarett, I`m 16 and a Junior in highschool. I`ve smoked more bowls than you`ve eaten cereal out of. I listen to METAL. I don`t mess around with 1800 subgenres, just bang your head. SMOKE WEED, DRINK BOOZE, EAT PUSSY."
Wow dude. Just wow.
Rinse and repeat for every religion, culture, race, group, etc.
Bottom line is, people can`t laugh at a good joke about themselves, and ignore the rubbish ones.
I`m sorry, but anyone who looks like that has no right to call anyone a douchebag.
Secondly, the graph is talking about kills IN THE BIBLE. Are you suggesting the Crusades are in the bible? I`ll give you a clue: The last book of the bible was written about a thousand years before the crusades.
Furthermore, Allah, for all intensive purposes, is God. "The God of Moses" "The creator of the universe" "The Father" "The Divine Creator" etc.
Arab Christians call God "Allah", English Muslims call Allah "God".
Mohammed`s personal body count is actually fantastically small, saying as all battles prior to his death were between small tribal factions, it was only upon his death that there was any real expansion under Abu Bakr: Link.
this assume of course you count all people under Mohammed as being part of his Bodycount (even if the battles were defensive). If not, it dwindles to the tens.
Remember that from the bible somewhere (think it is in one of the corinthians).
God killed all the bad people to protect the jews.
Bible doesn`t record as many of the actions of satan.
God is more powerful than satan.
No. It has ALL been, 100% anti-Christian. Christianity is the only religion that is apparently okay to be ridiculed and mocked in the name of free speech here at IAB.
But yeah, the Bible was totally wrong when it predicted that all Christians would be hated and the Bible would be rejected for false teachings. Way to fall in line with prophecy, lemmings :)
Enough with the Anti-Christian propaganda. Let`s start posting things that show the billions of people slaughtered in the name of Allah.
Are you suggesting that if I didn`t pitch in, there would be nothing but serene calm in this forum?
I put to you that:a) She did, and therefore, she started it. b) The blissful silence would be broken by the sounds of fapping, after what started as self congratulatory argumentation devolved into outright mutual masturbation.
Trust me, I provide a service here.
If God does exist, along with the surrounding philosophy (heaven/hell etc). God is just moving people from one place to another (both of which are kinda his) using infinite wisdom.
If God doesn`t exist, he didn`t kill anybody.
Satan is a prick either way, who gets his jollies causing men to kill each other, and (again referring to the philosophy) is pretty much the reason any man kills any other man.
.... oh whoops, sorry forgot where I was for a second, I`m on IAB. LOL ITS FUNNY COS RELIGION IS WRONG AND I HAVE FARTED OUT ALL THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER ANYTHING OBJECTIVELY ROFL!!!! (Insert Flying spaghetti monster, hitler, IPU, Epicurus quote as needed).