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Date: 12/27/09 12:04 PM

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  1. Profile photo of Fancys_Asst
    Fancys_Asst Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:30 am
    Link: Who Killed More People In The Bible - Interesting stats--so who`s the bad guy now, really?
  2. Profile photo of TxP
    TxP Female 70 & Over
    1190 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    they have a point...
    oh man, let flame war begin!
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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:12 pm
    In b4 massive holy flamewar.
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    lucu Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:13 pm
    Meh...I`m not a Christian or anything, but all this Anti-god and other religious stuff is getting kinda old now.
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    howlingwolf Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    Someone counted?
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    god is
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    lucu Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    The debates are getting old too. Doesn`t anyone just go and "lol" at themselves and not post any negative comments. If you see something that offends you, move on to something else. Don`t complain, people. I`m assuming everyone here is an adult. Can`t we please be mature ones?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:34 pm
    But he was killing bad people! God only kills those who deserve it, like chronic masturbators, and Satan only kills... pretty nuns who don`t leave the house! DUH.
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    regediT Male 18-29
    716 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm
    Suck IT!!!
  10. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:45 pm
    So let me get this straight.

    If God does exist, along with the surrounding philosophy (heaven/hell etc). God is just moving people from one place to another (both of which are kinda his) using infinite wisdom.

    If God doesn`t exist, he didn`t kill anybody.

    Satan is a prick either way, who gets his jollies causing men to kill each other, and (again referring to the philosophy) is pretty much the reason any man kills any other man.

    .... oh whoops, sorry forgot where I was for a second, I`m on IAB. LOL ITS FUNNY COS RELIGION IS WRONG AND I HAVE FARTED OUT ALL THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER ANYTHING OBJECTIVELY ROFL!!!! (Insert Flying spaghetti monster, hitler, IPU, Epicurus quote as needed).

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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:45 pm
    "The debates are getting old too. Doesn`t anyone just go and "lol" at themselves and not post any negative comments. If you see something that offends you, move on to something else. Don`t complain, people. I`m assuming everyone here is an adult. Can`t we please be mature ones? "

    No.

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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Ha ha ha! nice effort!
  13. Profile photo of Standards
    Standards Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm
    Baal, stop starting flame wars.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Baalthazaq, your comment is funnier than the pic :)
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    Qtee_mo Female 18-29
    414 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Hahahahaha yayyyy relgion war
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm
    Who cares.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:06 pm
    HaHa, funny cos it`s true....
  18. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    Standards:
    Are you suggesting that the original poster had no intention of starting a flame war?

    Are you suggesting that if I didn`t pitch in, there would be nothing but serene calm in this forum?

    I put to you that:
    a) She did, and therefore, she started it.
    b) The blissful silence would be broken by the sounds of fapping, after what started as self congratulatory argumentation devolved into outright mutual masturbation.

    Trust me, I provide a service here.

  19. Profile photo of Reformer81
    Reformer81 Male 18-29
    38 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:15 pm
    And tell me, who says that all those people didn`t deserve to be killed? We aren`t the judge. God would be perfectly just to wipe us all out at this very moment without a moment of mercy, but He doesn`t.

    Enough with the Anti-Christian propaganda. Let`s start posting things that show the billions of people slaughtered in the name of Allah.

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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
    38 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    And to everyone here that keeps commenting on things being "anti-god" or "anti-religion," get a clue. There`s never been an anti-Islam, anti-Buddhist, anti-Atheist, or anti-Evolution post here.

    No. It has ALL been, 100% anti-Christian. Christianity is the only religion that is apparently okay to be ridiculed and mocked in the name of free speech here at IAB.

    But yeah, the Bible was totally wrong when it predicted that all Christians would be hated and the Bible would be rejected for false teachings. Way to fall in line with prophecy, lemmings :)

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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:25 pm
    vah, God. what selfrighteous bastard
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    ParasyT Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    whoever made this graph is a retard. i have nothing against the stats, just the way they presented it makes me think the author is a stupid.
  23. Profile photo of akabane
    akabane Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    yeah right reformer81, there has been plenty "anti-Islam." There has been plenty, but i do admit, there are more anti-christian posts.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    Satan? 10 really? Which version of the Bible is that info from? Are you counting those he`s resposible for, or just the ones he personally did? AS for `God`s numbers`, it`s just more anti-christian slag.
    Yes, by all means put up a chart for Allah, and Vishnu. Mohamed`s personal body count is impressive too.
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    Molehouse Male 13-17
    303 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    `Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord`

    Remember that from the bible somewhere (think it is in one of the corinthians).

    God killed all the bad people to protect the jews.

    Bible doesn`t record as many of the actions of satan.

    God is more powerful than satan.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    there has been plenty "anti-Islam."
    Do provide a link akabane, k-plz&thx.
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    ansurdu Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    trolls trolling trolls
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    Valonqar Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:32 pm
    @ Reformer81:
    You`re assuming that there is a god of course. Until you can prove that assumption, kindly shut the f*ck up.
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    clam85 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    @reformer81
    They make jokes about christianity because its easy, but (i atleast think) the graph is true, look at the crusades and evrything...
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    bakedBEAR Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:36 pm
    [email protected], and everyone arguing. You guy`s make yourselves look like total douchebags.
  31. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    To be fair, there have been 2 anti atheist posts that I know of, so your 100% is wrong.

    Furthermore, Allah, for all intensive purposes, is God. "The God of Moses" "The creator of the universe" "The Father" "The Divine Creator" etc.

    Arab Christians call God "Allah", English Muslims call Allah "God".

    Mohammed`s personal body count is actually fantastically small, saying as all battles prior to his death were between small tribal factions, it was only upon his death that there was any real expansion under Abu Bakr:
    Link.

    this assume of course you count all people under Mohammed as being part of his Bodycount (even if the battles were defensive). If not, it dwindles to the tens.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    Clam85:
    The Crusades, if anything, would be tagged under "Satan", not "God".

    Secondly, the graph is talking about kills IN THE BIBLE. Are you suggesting the Crusades are in the bible? I`ll give you a clue: The last book of the bible was written about a thousand years before the crusades.

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    Jalajal Male 18-29
    20 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    HAHA Nobody wins these things but it is funny to watch the Jesus Puppets argue with the Godless Heathens.
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    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    Okay, I get that a lot of the people on this site aren`t religious, but why am I getting my religion poked fun at every time I come on this site to have a little fun? Not specifically this post, I guess, but most of the other ones aren`t even funny, which is what annoys me - they`re up strictly to incite flame wars and insult people. I`m really sick of dodging these posts, there`s at least 5 or 6 a week nowadays.

    </rant>

  35. Profile photo of MidniteRun
    MidniteRun Male 13-17
    72 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    @bakedBEAR

    I`m sorry, but anyone who looks like that has no right to call anyone a douchebag.

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    crazymonkey2 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    This is funny! But I gotta say, all the atheists/agnostics who point to religion and laugh are really no better. People HAVE used religion as an excuse to do terrible things, but I know at least one person (Hitler) who used the principles of genetics and evolution to justify a genocide. Yes, he twisted those principles to justify his own purpose, but that`s the exact same argument people of faith use when someone says their religion is violent. It`s people who cause violence, and blaming it on religion is a bigoted and ignorant thing to do.
  37. Profile photo of MidniteRun
    MidniteRun Male 13-17
    72 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    Why are Christians so intolerant to anti-Christian posts?
    Why are Atheists so intolerant to anti-Atheist posts?

    Rinse and repeat for every religion, culture, race, group, etc.

    Bottom line is, people can`t laugh at a good joke about themselves, and ignore the rubbish ones.

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    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    "bakedBEAR
    Male, 13-17, Midwest US
    [email protected], and everyone arguing. You guy`s make yourselves look like total douchebags."

    I dunno. No one here can compete with the douchiness of your profile.

    "My name`s Jarett, I`m 16 and a Junior in highschool. I`ve smoked more bowls than you`ve eaten cereal out of. I listen to METAL. I don`t mess around with 1800 subgenres, just bang your head. SMOKE WEED, DRINK BOOZE, EAT PUSSY."


    Wow dude. Just wow.

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    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    "BrimstoneOne
    Male, 30-39, Canada
    666 Posts Sunday, December 27, 2009 12:58:30 PM
    Baalthazaq, your comment is funnier than the pic :)"

    *gasp* DEVIL!!! 666 POSTS! REMOVE THINE SELF FROM THINE...umm...COMMENT SECTION! NOW, HEATHEN!

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    imaguitargod Male 18-29
    480 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 2:00 pm
    Damn, God be hatin`. lolz
  41. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 2:02 pm
    Sorry just a link for "Reformer" down there, incase he didn`t quite understand my point about Christians and Muslims worshipping the same God:

    Christian Source
    Muslim Source

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    loveballet Female 13-17
    138 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    I`ve read the bible, SPOILER ALERT: The main character dies. >.<
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    ProjectPat Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    @crazymonkey2

    I`d suggest that you do a little more research into Hitler`s reasoning for what he did.

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    Swisskid10 Male 13-17
    103 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    @crazymonkey
    Hitler did not directly use the TOE, but mearly a warped twisted version of it. Hitler took it to mean survival of the fittest, whereas the actual TOE says survival of the best adapted
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    I would normally ponder the graph, but I am way too busy laughing at you people.

    Really? You know that you only look stupid with the arguing.

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    IONIC Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm
    I love these Theist/Atheist debates. One thing we must understand is, When you first recognize yourself as an atheist, it`s a lot like when somebody first begins to follow religion. There`s an immediate desire to go forth, and try to shift other people towards your particular viewpoint. "It makes so much sense to me, why shouldn`t it to someone else, right". This often results in a Preachy christian 20 something acting as morality police, or a crotchety Atheist 20 something trolling about, curb stomping others beliefs like defective kittens. No group is right, really. We are all dickweeds. So lets try and act Civil, Dammit
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    Baal, you are right. Muslims even respect Jesus as a great man, but don`t believe that he was the messiah.
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    Ando Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    satan is simply a "tempter" sent by god.
    god using his deathy zappy powers to scare the poo out of people so that they will do good :) err something like that.
    in all, dont disobey god.

    thats what i get for going to a christian school all my life.

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    Asspenny Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:29 pm
    @balth don`t forget, jews too
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:37 pm
    This is like saying who put more people in jail: the criminals or the government. Obviously the criminals put themselves in jail by breaking the law.
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    patridiot Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 2:42 pm
    Just a little more, God, and you can beat Hitler too!
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    wereallboned Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    hahahahahahhah @ bakedbear`s profile--damn yo that was a good laugh
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    wereallboned Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    i also just noticed youre a "Bongmaster Extraordinaire" please divulge your secrets--seriously come back to this thread i can laugh at that profile for days
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:10 pm
    "This is like saying who put more people in jail: the criminals or the government. Obviously the criminals put themselves in jail by breaking the law."

    So by your logic, God murdered all those people for sinning, yes?

    The hell did he need Jesus for, then?

  55. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:16 pm
    Can someone post a link to Baalthazaq commenting on a non-religious IAB link?

    I`d like to see if it exists.

  56. Profile photo of kajtaz
    kajtaz Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    reply to baalthazag the first post i dont get why crhistians just donmt get that fact its pretty goddammed simple isntit it a differnt language i wonder if its like the other way around in the middle east or other mostly muslim places

    and coodude26
    just deal with the religious poo one time a had a christian friend who told me i was going to burn in hell because i was muslim we were 5 and he hasnt talked to me since

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    princess0764 Female 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    yeah.
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    TheGrag Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:44 pm
    I`m going to correct kajtaz`s comment so people who aren`t able to read Stupid:

    (Reply to baalthazag, the first post)
    I don`t get why Christians just don`t get that fact it`s pretty god dammed simple isn`t it. A different language I wonder if its like the other way around in the middle east or other mostly Muslim places

    and to coodude26,
    Just deal with the religious poo one time I had a christian friend who told me I was going to burn in Hell because I was Muslim we were 5 years old and he hasn`t talked to me since"

    I can only correct spelling/grammar mistakes, but his point still remains a mystery.

    Or I could just say his comment means "Blaaaaah."

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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    YES! this is awesome!!!
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    lol

    Don`t f*ck with God!

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    wereallboned Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    The hell did he need Jesus for, then?

    umm jesus wasn`t killed by god and even if he was killing his son would be the ultimate sacrifice

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:03 pm
    I`m Christian, so I can only see the red line with nothing but blank space above it. Curse you Satan, you murdering psycho and future IAB Mod you!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:04 pm
    I doubt this even includes those disasters deemed "Acts of God". If you want to find a way to blame God for your problems, Or worse yet, Attempt to accuse God to be evil, Then this "statistic" is right up your alley.

    However, Doing so is really fallacious because mankind itself has killed billions people. And it can be argued that many of those mass murdering men were under the influence of satan.

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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    i`m sending this one to the printer...
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    punkipenguin Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    wereallboned, if jesus wasn`t killed by god, why does religion tell us how great god is because he gave his only son to save the world? maybe he didn`t hammer the nails in, but he gave him to be murdered. hell, that`s the only reason he was born in the first place. you said that `would be` the ultimate sacrafice - you meant was, that`s the whole point of jesus. if what i`ve said is wrong someone please tell me.
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:46 pm
    Well it`s really hard to do a cause and effect thing here, because in the end you could say the "cause" of everything is God, and no one is to blame for anything; such arbitrary rules for responsibility can`t be determined like this, but need to be considered as part of a spectrum that all creation contributes to.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    "umm jesus wasn`t killed by god and even if he was killing his son would be the ultimate sacrifice"

    So he sent himself to die as payment to himself for a crime he saw in advance billions of years ago and caused directly.

    BRILLIANT PLAN

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    Methlab Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:55 pm
    =/
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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:55 pm
    However, Doing so is really fallacious because mankind itself has killed billions people. And it can be argued that many of those mass murdering men were under the influence of satan.

    Hold on I`m confused... I was under the impression (as it has been preached to me before) that we have free will and therefore anything that we as human beings do that is evil is actually Free will... So either we are choosing to do it or being influenced by Satan and then surely it is Satan`s will..

    Then again anything good we do is God`s will so we`re kinda screwed really... This is gets so bloody confusing... Don`t know how you guys do it.

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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
    519 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    Oh religious debates.. fun and ultimately pointless.. The ping pong game from Hell...
  71. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    Oh here we f**king go again, yet another day of religion bashing at IAB. Aren`t you trolls tired of bleating and banging on about God. Whoop-de-f**king-do, you don`t believe in God. Leave those of us who do alone. BTW Mods - if anyone were to gay-bash or race-bash as regularly as you allow God-bashing the poster`s ass would be banned in an instant - at least maintain a common standard
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    @ cuchulainn

    Funny that..some of the worst gay bashers ARE christian.

    ...and no, I dont think we`ll be stopping with these sort of posts any time soon.

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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    @ Maddog

    Funny how people feel the need to point out hypocrisy in others, and never identify it in themselves

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    Atomaton Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    cuchulainn...
    homosexuality and ones race are not choices like ones religion is. to bash someone for something they have no control over is wrong. to bash someone who prays to a murdering psycho with the ability to kill an entire race of people with a massive flood would be the same as bashing a cthulhu worshiper since they basically do the same thing. plus have you seen the stats? numbers don`t lie, man
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:24 pm
    Well cuchulainn, when you`re race-bashing or gay-bashing you`re dealing with actual people as opposed to something that may or (most likely) may not exist.
  76. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:26 pm
    Yes, I have seen the stats, and I address religious zealots with the same passion that I address those who choose to disrespect anothers choice to believe or not believe in God.

    My issues is "the easy target". Mockery, simply on the grounds that a person chooses to believe or not believe, is pathetic. Don`t believe the Bible/Q`ran/Torah/Version of Sacred Literature, that`s fine, but don`t become a hypocrite by using that same VSL to mock others` beliefs. This is just another means of hating.

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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:29 pm
    @Lemon

    You`re still dealing with people; people who have a faith in Deity.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    @ cuchulainn

    And my hypocrisy would be what exactly? Racism and homophobia are very diffrent from someone questioning your religion. Of course, you preffer to call it "christian bashing" and perhaps it is. I dont care really.

    You can bleat about hypocrisy all you want but lets be honest, christians have been prodding us non belivers with the pointy stick for centurys. Would you like a history lesson or did the dark ages (along with many other historical faux pas from christians) never happen? It;s really quite sad. To quote Mahatma Gandhi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"

    So very true.

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    dveke Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    religion is bullcrap. just an excuse for people to try to explain the past. nothing of a higher nature existed, and nothing ever will.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:40 pm
    How is `God` the same as `Allah`? God is generally generic in English; if we talk of the Christian God, then He had a son, Jesus - although WHAT He is is God, one being, His nature is Triune.
    According to Islam, Allah does NOT have a son, nor is his nature triune. Also, please someone answer this, as no one I`ve talked to has, English says - "The ancient Greeks had many gods." Does Arabic say "The ancient Greeks had many Allahs". ?
  81. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:41 pm
    Actually Maddog it was Mohandas Ghandi, the same one who said "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" and "All the religions of the world, while they may differ in other respects, unitedly proclaim that nothing lives in this world but Truth".

    And it`s not christian-bashing that I take issue with, since this material includes Jewish Scripture, also. If you have an issue with my faith in Christ, take it up with me, and I will respect your belief/non-belief, and most likely agree with you that the history and current place of "The Church" is pathetic. Sit back and take cheap pot-shots and I will call you on it.

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:42 pm
    Not to mention that the whole business of death was God`s idea in the first place.
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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    @Dax2009

    I didn`t say the commonly understood Judeo-Christian term "God" was the same as Allah.

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    Swisskid10 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    I still don`t get why God killed all these people... for sinning?. Surely an all knowing and all powerful God should have been able to foresee that mankind would have surcome to sin, and would have never created them in the first place. And don`t give me any of that ``Satan did it`` bollocks, because then Satan would surely be more powerful than God, and as one can not get anymore powerful than all powerful, one must assume that God is not all powerful, so that Satan could be more powerful than him. The whole of Christianity is just too full of loopholes to be believable.
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    Cornettos Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    Only humans would try to blame their stupidity & evil on something that`s in fairy tale book for kids
  86. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:49 pm
    Satan does not exist in the Bible. That is a construct developed by the early Church, and strictly enforced by the Church of the middle/dark ages to allow humanity to blame the inherent evil that we perpetrate on one another, on some mythical "bogey man". Lucifer, as the term exists in canonical Scripture, was an angel given the task of bringing Light to the world, and assumed a role of Judge-Advocate, on behalf of God.
  87. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:50 pm
    If God did exist, I say that he and Satan are the same thing. It`s like using aliases on the internet: just showing different aspects of your personality or screwing around. Only when it comes to this guy, he uses Satan as his straightforward dick self, and as God pretends to be nice and caring.

    Only all the smiting kind of shows his true colours, as Satan is truly who he is, and he uses the God alias to keep people a little off-kilter and with a false sense of security.

    So Satan is actually God, and "God" doesn`t even exist. We are in hell already. Chew on that.

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    NoxasRisen Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    Wow. Lots of pissed off religious and anti-religion people. This should probably be avoided altogether.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    Both sides are retarded just for arguing about it really. It`s counter to logic to argue about this subject.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    @ cuchulainn

    You wont call me on anything! Religion is a house of cards. It`s based on fluffy thinking and faulty logic and most of all, fear. No christian can decided if the whole bible is literal or metaphorical. If it`s supposed to be literal then Genesis is in a lot of trouble and thats just for starters. If it`s metephorical then the whole things open for debate and nothing in the bible should be taken at face value...but thats not happening either!

    It`s cherry picked to for maximum effect. You know it, I know it!

    Oh and if your gonna try to be smart dont trip over before we even begin. Mohandas Karamchand Ghandi IS Mahatma Gandhi. The Indian people called Gandhi Mahatma, it meaning "Great Soul".
    Either name is acceptable.

    Honestly...it`s not like we dont have google at our finger tips!

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    dope_boy_420 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    This is quite amusing. I like it!
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    Sooooo, if YOU were creating a being with free will, how would you do that without creating the possibility that it would `sin`, i.e., murder, rape, ect. ect., (add general pettiness here)? The real question for me is, WHY would God create a being that has free will? What exactly are we worth to Him? His Son, obviously, but we do such evil, why even bother?
  93. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    @Boadicea

    Satan doesn`t exist, and even if it did, humanity really doesn`t need the help, we`re doing just fine without it.

    As for this being hell, with 15,000,000 people dying of hunger every day while we in the "civilized" world sit back and stuff our gluttonous selves, I find it hard to believe that this isn`t hell. How much worse could hell be than babies starving to death while parents are helpless to prevent it?

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:04 pm
    The Bible is just the longest game of telephone ever played.

    Some people had some stories (which likely happened and were great and realistic at the time) that were held on to for-- what? Decades before being written down and recorded. Then it was edited over more ridiculous periods of time, with people throwing in their own two cents, taking out what they didn`t agree with, adding some crap that made sense at the time, and continuing on.

    For drat`s sake, they had a damn council to decide if Jesus was a part of God or not (among other things). Yeah, a council of random dudes really knew enough to decide about that. "Gee, do you think this guy that died a million years ago was made out of the almighty other guy nobody has ever seen? Let`s put it to a vote!"

    It`s not worth getting worked up over; if you like it and want to live by its message, which I can only assume is be a decent person, then go nuts. I`d rather do that using common sense though.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm
    cuchalainn: Well it could be much worse; before starving to death, we`d be raped by pineapples alongside Hitler.

    Or something like that.

  96. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    @Maddog

    "It`s cherry picked to for maximum effect. You know it, I know it!" Yes it is, and it has been abused for Millenia to justify just about every evil that one human can perpetrate on another.

    Mindless religion is as abhorrent as mindless atheism. If you believe - read and learn why you believe, the same charge goes for non-belief.

    As for metaphor vs literal - that`s not straight forward. The Bible is not a single piece of writing by a single author written with a single purpose. To believe that God created the world in the way explained in Genesis ignores the purpose of Genesis - to understand a Divine Being by understanding the underlying structure in the chaos of creation. Yet the teachings of Christ are not myth - even though the writings are distorted by 20-80`s of time there exists underlying principles - honor God, honor one another, care for those are unable to care for themselves.

    And I apologize for my smart-ass comment about Ghandi. I wrote in a

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:17 pm

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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    So maybe Satan didn`t kill people directly, but made them do whatever so that God had to kill them, smartass.
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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:19 pm
    ...And I apologize for my smart-ass comment about Ghandi. I wrote in anger.

    @ Boadicea

    That`s quite a mental image

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    SarahColleen Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    Love the religious debates, guys. Way to open some peoples eyes and piss off others all in one comment box.

    I want to know where these numbers came from (dont say the bible, cause DUH) but did someone sit down and tally it all up? I think they stats were pulled from their butt

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    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    Made me lol...

    ...and STOP ARGUING!!

  102. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 6:53 pm
    Mohammed`s personal body count is actually fantastically small, saying as all battles prior to his death were between small tribal factions
    Gimmie a break Baalthazaq!~ He ordered the murder of every Jew in Medina! Yes killings by his troops and henchmen `count`, is he their leader or not?
    Crap Baalthazaq, that`s pretty stupid, even for you. Allah of Islam and God of Christianity are two completely different dieties, eh?
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    whelshin Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    hahah you all are so lol
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    yay! flame war!
  105. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    So far cuchulainn is the most reasonable and thought provoking poster on this thread:) hats off!
    MadDog you need to look up what Muslims think of gays, eh? Last time Muslins killed homosexuals? (simply for being gay?) 5 minutes ago...

    How is `God` the same as `Allah`?
    Well said dax2009! (cuchulainn - it was Baalth who said that Allah and God are the same)

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    "15,000,000 people dying of hunger every day..."

    I just want to call bs on this. Only about 1/10 that many people die every day of ANY cause, much less of hunger.

  107. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    Again correction is needed 15,000,000 die of hunger and hunger related disease per year, not per day
  108. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    "MadDog you need to look up what Muslims think of gays, eh? Last time Muslins killed homosexuals? (simply for being gay?) 5 minutes ago..."

    Is that some kind of rebuttal to him saying that some of the worst gay bashers are christians? So the fact that (some) Muslims also hate gays makes it okay or less terrible for christians to do so? What point are you making?

  109. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    Number of people killed in the name of atheism: 0.

    Suck on that bitches.

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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:44 pm
    Just a thought, why do some gay men talk in camp voice? there`s no medical reason for it. Or is there?

    Also why do some gay women dress like men? I assume a women dressing like a man would be less attractive to a gay women, as she would look like a man.

    Explanations: I DEMAND THEM! :D

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    tuxman4 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    Wasn`t aware Satan even killed a single person, let alone ten. Ooh, something to look into in my new Latin Bible I got for Christmas!
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    dfcrackhead Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    I`m with LazyMe484 on this lol...No one is willing to kill or die for atheism
  113. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    "I`m with LazyMe484 on this lol...No one is willing to kill or die for atheism"

    No one is willing to kill or die for the non-existence of God. Just like how no one is willing to kill or die for the non-existence of UFOs or unicorns or fairies or leprechauns.

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    Glowy Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    They didn`t kill in the name of atheism though.
  115. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    Just a quick note to those who complain about all these "anti-Christian" posts on IAB. And furthermore to those who say it`s unfair, and we should post some anti-Islam, anti-Hindu, or for that matter anti-atheism material.

    Look, we`re a website which tries to alleviate boredom and ennui in everyday life. That is all. It just so happens that there are not that many entertaining links out there bashing Allah, or Vishnu, or atheism for that matter. If they`re out there, submit them, and if they`re sweet, they`ll be posted.

    We know some people get pissed off, but these kind of things (in moderation), generate lots of energy and discussion, get people up off their arse and get animated, and by definition, make people un-bored in one way or another. That`s all we`re trying to do.

  116. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    And in before the pshaw! We`re a balanced bunch covering the full spectrum of outspoken atheist (e.g. Maddog) to young-earth-creationist born again Christian (e.g. Lionhart). We genuinely have no agenda beyond relieving boredom for a few minutes per day. For free. At risk of sounding like a c*nt, if you don`t like it, it`s a big internet out there. In fact, some people call it the World Wide Web. World Wide! Literally!

    Meant with sincere respect to all.

  117. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm
    What point are you making?

    *sigh* Eplaining the obvious to the ignorant.
    Modern Islam demands that gays be jailed and/or killed. Period. Today, not in ancient times. Not "some" ALL, if you are a Muslim you must believe this. Just like not eating pork, 5x a day paryers & etc.
    Christianity USED TO do many bad things to homosexuals, this is true. Lately (past 100 years or so) it`s been more like "hate the sin not the sinner". Ok? Boadicea, you should talk to Baalth, lmao! Date, even.
    LazyMe, Charles Manson ring a bell? How about Clifford Olson? BTK? Green River? Pickton? No, no one who`s an athiest is violent, eh?
    Sorry Glowy, had to edit. Many mass murderers believe there is no God, so they do count as atheistic killers. The point is that the origional idea of this "graph" is just as silly, eh?

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    quack_stud Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    @5Cats: Charles Manson was a scientologist, BTK was a member of the christ lutheran church. BTW, what do any of them have to do in regards to killing FOR atheism?
  119. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    generate lots of energy and discussion, get people up off their arse and get animated
    Hey! That`s why I bother posting! :)
    As part of the anti-boredom efforts, I offer my wisdom and experience, also for free!
    You get what you pay for, eh? ;)
    Now, as for the lack (no one`s offered a single link) of anti-Islamic postings? I understand completely! A single cartoon of The Prophet can get you killed. I view the Christian bashing as a way of pointing out the vast chasm between Christianity and Mohamidism, and I`m a Deist! Go figure.
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    ToxicXzOmbie Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    Hail Satan!
  121. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:49 pm
    Now, as for the lack (no one`s offered a single link) of anti-Islamic postings? I understand completely! A single cartoon of The Prophet can get you killed.

    We`re not scared Cats, if that`s your drive. Hell, I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and am still here. Not much scares me anymore when it comes to religious differences.

    We don`t avoid anti-Islam links because we`re afraid. We avoid them because they ain`t funny. At least, we haven`t seen a funny one yet. It`s literally that simple.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    Not that i know if this is accurate but it seems like a pretty reasonable estimate what with god demanding genocide and raining brimstone and fire down on people all the time. He comes off as rather a petty attention-whore-douche the more i think about it and the more of the bible i read.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    god is fake. it is a story to make people stay on the straight and narrow.

    if anyone had read logic for first-graders, they would know this.

    religion is not a bad thing, it just brings the worst out in people. namely people who disagree with theri religion.

  124. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    As part of the anti-boredom efforts, I offer my wisdom and experience, also for free!
    You get what you pay for, eh? ;)

    Sorry Cats, missed that bit. Your posts are valued and add to the colour of this site which I love so much. Please keep `em coming, I can only speak personally, but your contribution makes me less bored for one!

  125. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    Thanks for asking quack_stud! (Great name btw!)
    These mass murderers may have appeared to `follow` other religions but they certianly weren`t believers, eh? Many rejected God early on in life (Dahmer) band obviously they obeyed the laws of `do as thou wilt` as opposed to the laws of God. They murdered in obedience to the laws of atheism, IMHO.
    As more `modern` countries like UK, Canada and soon the USA join the likes of Russia and China in having national atheism as the official religion, we are a poorer planet because of it, eh?
  126. Profile photo of septimus00
    septimus00 Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm
    just to address wot 5Cats said, and not a critism, but even though islam believes these things, doesnt it say more about a relgion that it has stuck to its teachings instead of changing it to fit around popular culture, like ure saying christianity has? I have no evidence either exists so im judging either religion, just making a point
  127. Profile photo of Glowy
    Glowy Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    Meh.
  128. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Sorry Cats, missed that bit
    No troubles davy, you caught it in good time, lolz!
    Butting heads is a good thing! Mountain goats, musk ox, teenagers, lots of critters do it, it`s only natural! A little bit of conflict & disagreement never hurt anyone (note: accent on LITTLE).
    Better than bashing one`s head against a wall, eh?
  129. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:08 pm
    god is fake. it is a story to make people stay on the straight and narrow.

    Funny you mention that. If I can take off my impartial referee Mod hat for a moment (it`s stifling sometimes) which renders my alignment Lawful Neutral, and momentarily don my Regular User hat (which is more like Chaotic Good), I had a revelation last week, which I`d like to share.

    I have a 3-year-old daughter. Last week, just before Christmas, my girl was acting up a bit. Nothing serious, but making life a bit difficult, as kids do. At those moments, with Christmas fast approaching, my wife just had to say to her: "Santa`s watching, now, you better behave!"

  130. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:08 pm
    It was like pressing the reset switch on an automaton. I never would have believed the reaction if I hadn`t seen it with my own eyes. Instant servitude, grovelling and self-depreciation, in the face of not getting something nice.

    And I thought to myself, "Wow! If only there was a similar way to control actual adults".

    That was the point at which I ascertained a deeper understanding of what religion is. I`m not making this up, it really happened this week and it was a turning point for me. And it wasn`t in the direction of god, lemme tell ya.

  131. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    a relgion that it has stuck to its teachings -septimus00
    A good point! And it helps illustrate what I`ve been saying (in my subtle way).
    Catholics have stuck to their age-old beliefs like Male priests and no contraceptives. Other Christian groups have not (United Church, eh?). Catholics take a lot of heat for this, but Muslims get off scott free! Notice in this thread how one side quickly accuses Christians of "gay bashing" while ignoring (or worse, apologising for) the fact that Islamic nations put gays to death for simply being gay.
    The more I learn about Islam the less I like, but that doesn`t mean I don`t like individual Muslims. Same for Christians, Jews, what have you.
    I judge the person on individual merit, the religion on the merits of it`s masses.
    I judge a lot of things, it`s human, er, cat nature to judge!
  132. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    Dax2009.

    The greek doesn`t says Gods, it says gods. (Small g)
    The arabic doesn`t say Allahs, it says ilahs. (Same difference)

    Where the bible says God (capital G), it is a translation from the Greek which says "the god". In Arabic, this is "al-ilah". al=the, ilah=god.

    When concatenated, this becomes: God (Drop the "the" capitalize the G), and Allah (Drop the i).

    Furthermore, a different attribute of God, does not make a different God. (By your logic, the Jews were worshiping some other God).

    Lets go through an example:
    If you give me a thirty page rundown of the life of Tom Cruise including his filmography. I give you the same. They are identical except I say he didn`t have pets, and you say he had a cat.

    Now, options:
    1) At least one of us is wrong about the cat.
    2) There is an entirely different Tom cruise running around with an identical life to the first (is in all the same films, won the same awards).

  133. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    I have a 3-year-old daughter
    Yes, I`m addicted to the quotey-thingy!
    You`re a luck man davy! I`m a daycare worker, kids never fail to enlighten me as to the workings of our `adult` minds! (that and D&D, I note that reference, lolz!)
    I`m fond of saying "what would a caveman do?" for almost any situation - caveman logic applies!
  134. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    Davy:
    1) Your turning point turned you opinion from itself to itself.
    This is not a turning point.

    2) there is no way, as a Moderator of this site, you have not seen at least 30 or 40 posts of "God is Santa for adults". No. Way.

  135. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:26 pm
    At least one of us is wrong about the cat
    That would be you Baalth! lolz! I`m never wrong about cats ;)
    Or God for that matter, despite being a Deist.
    Jews: Yahweh is going to send a Redeemer for our sins.
    Christians: God has sent his only Son to redeem our sins.
    Islam: Allah has sent His true Prophet (idk about the sins part) so listen or else!
    Don`t be fooled by the similarity in English translations, these are three different Deities we`re talking about here. Yes! Jews and Christians worship a different God!
    Now which is the ONE TRUE GOD? That`s for you to decide, eh? Freewill is a harsh mistress.
  136. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    Lazyme:
    "Number of people killed in the name of Atheism: 0"

    Russia killed quite a few trying to wipe out religion.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm
    Cat5:
    Again, you`ve pulled an attribute, (were wrong about it), and declared them different gods. The table I linked earlier already addresses the issue of redemption.

    In other words. You were just wrong on every count.

    1) They are all 3 about redemption.
    2) They are all 3 equally "listen or else".
    3) Even if they weren`t this remains an attribute, and therefore does not make them different gods.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:35 pm
    vv Alright Baal my old friend. I shouldn`t have used the words "turning point". I guess it was more of a reaffirmation.

    On the second thing, of course I`ve seen the posts Santa for Adults etc, on this site and others. If you`re gently probing me to see if I`m plagiarising previously-spouted points, I`m not at all (I genuinely think religion is "Santa for Adults" all on my own.). I`m not in the business of regurgitating previous arguments, good logic or otherwise. It really was a genuine experience.

  139. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm
    as a Moderator of this site, you have not seen at least 30 or 40 posts of "God is Santa for adults"
    Just when I`m about to lose faith in Baalth, he says something very intelligent!
    There`s a world of difference between `seeing` and `understanding` ok? You can see the truth 40 times, but until you understand what it means? It doesn`t help much.
    And davy took off his moderator hat to share his story with us, so give him a little slack!
    His turning point is still there, he`s just turned a little further away from a belief in God (or Allah). There can be hundreds of `turning points` in someone`s life, not all of them need be 90 dgrees or more.
    NOW why did I say Baalth said something (remember, just my opinion!) intelligent? Because both his points were on-topic and understandable! So what if I disagree, that`s kinda moot, eh?
    Now Baalth and Boadicea should start dating, lmao! Ooo it`s late, I`ll see you tomorrow!
  140. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Basically it is possible to talk about an object, or a person, and be mistaken about one if it`s attributes, without it being an entirely different object.

    If we have a disagreement about a table right in front of us, we are not talking about different tables if I say it is beige and you say it is more light brown.

    Same table. Difference of opinion on an attribute.

    The same applies to God. Unless you`re not talking about the God that:
    Came to moses. Made Adam/Eve. Created the universe. Came to Abraham. Sent Jesus. Sent Noah. Commanded the building of an Arc. Protected Jonah in the belly of the whale. Sent Enoch/Eber/Lot/Ishmael/Isaac/Jacob/Joseph/Job/Jethro /Aaron/David/Solomon/Elijah/Elisha/Ezekiel/Zakariah/
    and John the baptist.

    But oh! Really? Your (non-traditional) interpretation of an aspect of him is different? Gosh, I guess they`re TOTALLY different people we`re discussing here!

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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    davymid

    "which renders my alignment Lawful Neutral"

    I normally don`t like you, but a reference to D&D must be properly praised.

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    RotBottom Male 18-29
    100 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Check out nobeliefs.net/darkbible for more on this, and Yahweh in fact killed closer to 20M humans if you consider the pre-Deluvian population of the world being approximately 18M people
    Also, Satan didn`t kill anyone in the bible.
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    RotBottom Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    ToxicXzOmbie
    Female, 18-29, Canada
    25 Posts Sunday, December 27, 2009 8:44:01 PM
    Hail Satan!

    Hail Satan! I got into a conversation with 3 "Witnesses" at a drunken Tits-or-GTFO Party last night. It surprised some that I mentioned I`m a Satanist, like Lucifer the fallen angel of God. I am the enemy of Yahweh. HAIL SATAN and may his Reign be Mighty

  144. Profile photo of FlameOfUdun
    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
    1222 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    According to the Bible, Satan must ask permission first, so is he REALLY killing anybody?
  145. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:43 pm
    and therefore does not make them different gods
    Oh heck, then he says things like this.
    My God has 1 head!
    My Ghod has 2 heads!
    My God has 3 heads!
    WHAT? They must all be the same God, they all have 1 head! (or more)
    Allah does not have a Son, he cannot be the same God as Christianity. K? Jews do not recognise Christ as the Son of God, so their God is also different.
    Simple really.
    Now, if YOU believe they`re the same, have fun figuring out the Laws! But don`t go saying silly things like Allah = Yahweh = God The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.
    k?
  146. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:44 pm
    Cat5:
    when you can punctuate your sentences, I will happily give your criticism more than the briefest of glances.

    Especially when the criticism revolves around "keeping on point", and you`re playing matchmaker between me and Boad, even though so far our only similarity is that we seem to disagree with you.

    (Seriously, can you genuinely not distinguish between an argument or do they all simply roll into a ball of "Omg they don`t like me u should date LMAO!"

    Until some semblance of reasoned debate comes from you, I shall continue to have barely any respect for your opinion when it comes to "intelligence".

  147. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:49 pm
    Again, you are choosing an attribute (and mistakenly representing it).

    Both religion`s preach that Jesus was:
    Sent by God. Of virgin birth.

    The difference is terminology when it comes to parentage. "Son" in Arabic implies sex with God, and therefore is seen as giving God base attributes.

    The actual sequence of events are the same however.

    The difference is not "Jesus + story + attributes", or "Three heads!".

    It is one word.
    The sequence of events leading up the the crucification are also the same. the major difference here is in Islam, he was protected by God, in Christianity he was crucified.

    There is more than enough information to understand my point here Cat, feel free to catch up at any point.

  148. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 9:53 pm
    Gosh, I guess they`re TOTALLY different People we`re discussing here!

    fify! (capital P there brother!)
    NO NO NO! Bad Baalth!
    Different beliefs! We`re not talking here (directly) about God, just about the belief systems. YOU can say all you like that YOUR belief system has 1 God and it`s the same as Jews and Christians, have fun!
    BUT others (like the aforementioned Jews and Christians) have different belief systems and THEIR God is NOT Allah! Your straw-man arguemnets are increasing my boredom, Ghod-Dammit!
    Got it? Good!
    Hinus do not worship Allah, k?

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    Fab186 Male 13-17
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    December 27, 2009 at 9:53 pm
    Awww! Don`t spoil the ending!
  150. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm
    Cat, feel free to catch up at any point
    Can`t catch up to someone who`s so far behind me Baalth... I`m just trying to wave you over to the path of intelligent thinking.
    Circumcision, ring a bell? Baptism, heard of that? Do both Gods demand the same thing? NO! So how then can They be one and the same?
    Just because Islam copies parts of Christianity (in the same way Christianity copies parts of Judaeism) does not mean that Islamic Belief = Christian Belief.
    You can march that straw-man around all you like, how "similar" the two religions are, but it won`t change any of the facts you`re avoiding.
    I puncutate my sentences how I like. They`re mine! Keep you laws off my grammer :P You think my words mean less based on punctuation? Says a LOT about YOU brother.
    Acually, I think you & she are both idiotz and would fight like two rabid dogz, lolz!
    No doubt we`ve cross-posted again :) if not I`ll goto sleep now (with a big smile on my oh-so int
  151. Profile photo of xtreme_dude
    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
    1372 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    STOP ARGUING ABOUT RELIGION AND COMMENT ON THE DAMN CONTENT. This is the COMMENT section not the debate section.
  152. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    You again, are not at all addressing the analogies I presented.
    They clearly demonstrate how the same object can have different attributes to different people.

    There is no need to explain further.

    "Just because Islam copies parts of Christianity (in the same way Christianity copies parts of Judaeism) does not mean that Islamic Belief = Christian Belief."

    I have never stated that Christian belief and Islamic belief are the same.

    You said the word Strawman, to me, and then proceed with arguing against a statement I have never made.

    Effectively, your argument is correct on one condition:
    Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all agree that everyone else is correct.

    They do not.

    We are talking about the same God, and simply disagree on whether or not God said circumcision is necessary.

    Christians do not believe that a second God called Allah asked for circumcision, they believe that the same God, didn`t.

  153. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm
    Even better example:

    You claimed I said "Islamic Belief = Christian Belief". I did not.

    You are not talking about some other Baalthazaq, who said these things. You are simply wrong about what this Baalthazaq (the same Baalthazaq you`re arguing (poorly) with) said.

    You have not (by drating up what I said) created a second Baalthazaq, nor a third, nor a fourth by drating it up previously.

    There is one here, it is me. You`re just wrong about what I said.

    NOW, just because Jews claim God did not have a son, does not suggest that they think it must be another God who had a son. They are saying that Christians are mistaken when they suggest God (the God we`ve been discussing the whole time) had a Son.

    Seriously, the table analogy and Tom Cruise analogy both work fine.

    No wonder you didn`t want to address them and instead made an offhand comment about cats. (Before suggesting *I* don`t stick to the point).

  154. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:48 pm
    Finally, lets for a moment suggest that EVERYONE IS correct.

    Then yes, Jews, Muslims, and Christians have different Gods. Lets go further: As does every individual.

    No two people are going to have an identical concept of God, and according to you, a different aspect = an entirely different being.

  155. Profile photo of BigWaFuu
    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
    1163 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    Baalth, Imma let you finish. But God kills more peepl than satan. Amirite?
  156. Profile photo of Hellioness
    Hellioness Female 18-29
    133 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    Ya know, in my opinion Satan was never really evil anyway, he was cast down because he went against god. Does that really make him evil?
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    zanneh Male 13-17
    130 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    truth
  158. Profile photo of tvremote
    tvremote Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2009 at 11:20 pm
    Baalthazaq every time I see some vaguely religious link you always leave like 30 enormous comments, but this is the internet and no one cares.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:39 pm
    Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God`s infinite love.
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    flingspoo Female 18-29
    999 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:46 pm
    If God made people, isn`t he allowed to take them out?

    tvremote = :)

  161. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:50 pm
    @xtreme_dude

    How can you have over 500 posts and still not know what IAB is all about?

  162. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    December 27, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    A few thousand years ago people believed in a god named Odin. They didn`t pretend to believe, they didn`t write about how great Odin was, and then whisper to each other, "lol just kiddin, Jesus is really the cool one!" They REALLY believed in him. Today, people sit around talking about how silly the ancient people were for believing in Odin, all the while, firmly believing in Jesus or Alla or whomever. In a few thousand years, people will sit around laughing at the people of today for believing in Jesus.

    What does this mean? Well, I`ll tell ya. I can`t tell ya whether or not there is a god, but I can tell you that the beliefs of a human mean absolutely SQUAT when it comes to determining whether or not there is one.

    If you want me to believe that there is a god then you need to offer something stronger than the beliefs of an Odin worshiper as proof. And don`t offer your beliefs, because they aren`t any stronger than the beliefs of that Odin worshiper.

  163. Profile photo of Coodude26
    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:28 am
    kajtaz
    "and coodude26
    just deal with the religious poo one time a had a christian friend who told me i was going to burn in hell because i was muslim we were 5 and he hasnt talked to me since "

    Luckily, I`m not like that. I get what you`re saying, but from the standpoint of running a website it doesn`t make sense to me why anybody would approve of this - they knew it was going to cause a flame war and a lot of people were going to be offended and there would be a great big debate.

    If it were any other website, I`d be fine. But that`s not what this site is for. This site is for curing boredom, and all this picture has done towards that is anger a lot of people who anger other people.

    TL;DR:
    (religious link submitted)
    Admins: :D
    (posts religious link)
    Forum: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
    (site traffic)
    ($$$$)
    (disgruntled site users)

  164. Profile photo of SammyCyanide
    SammyCyanide Female 18-29
    427 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:39 am
    I can`t even see what this graph says.
    Nor do I care what the comments say, even though I can`t see them because I already know there`s going to be some kind of argument and everyone`s mad and someone`s complaining about someone`s posts and I haven`t even read a comment yet.

    Dear sir,
    Judging by the large block of text you have posted I have come to determine that you are angry. I am very sorry if this post has inspired banter. I do wish you a good year and whatever you are arguing about to soothe your soul.

  165. Profile photo of barrooo
    barrooo Male 30-39
    414 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:10 am
    `Baalthazaq every time I see some vaguely religious link you always leave like 30 enormous comments, but this is the internet and no one cares.`

    Can I second that, its wearing out my mouse wheel having to scroll past it all

  166. Profile photo of AlexTron
    AlexTron Male 18-29
    534 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:44 am
    ive seen this somewhere before. but it was made better. :P
  167. Profile photo of Molehouse
    Molehouse Male 13-17
    303 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:04 am
    Zerocyde: All religions are a path to God.
  168. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:07 am
    BIBLE FIGHT!

    *tosses a Zombie Survival Guide as her theological choice and ducks*

  169. Profile photo of RickyGTO
    RickyGTO Male 18-29
    289 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:09 am
    Posting anything regarding religion is sure to start a big flame war... every time
  170. Profile photo of TheShape
    TheShape Male 30-39
    568 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:15 am
    To be fair, the vast majority of people that God took out were douche-bags anyways.
  171. Profile photo of snoopdawgg
    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
    481 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:24 am
    i would say that god makes babies every second but i am an atheist so what do i know
  172. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 3:30 am
    My apologies, I`m not very good at this whole internet thing.

    Let me try again:

    U R RETerded lol.

  173. Profile photo of janus_games
    janus_games Male 18-29
    294 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 3:39 am
    I could make a religious flame comment, but instead...

    OMG OPIE YOU`VE LOST YOUR PORT AILERON!!! EJECT! EJECT!

  174. Profile photo of Lord_Jereth
    Lord_Jereth Male 40-49
    725 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 3:44 am
    Looks about right ...

    LJ

  175. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 5:45 am
    Wouldn`t god make sure that the weather on the anniversary of the birth of his son was nice? No rain? No snow? No tsunami`s?
  176. Profile photo of Shirobon
    Shirobon Male 18-29
    3 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 6:21 am
    From what limited understanding of the Bible that I have, for I do not consider myself a religious person by any stretch...

    I do believe that Satan was supposed to be the originator (cause) of mankind to sin.

    And sin = death.

    So technically, Satan is the cause of all deaths.

    Again, this is from my limited religious perspective, and I`m sure there are the arguments of why God lets people die, but I suppose the answer to that question is based on your particular flavor of religious beliefs.

  177. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 6:28 am
    Satan seems to be a hell of a lot more fun than god anyway.
  178. Profile photo of quack_stud
    quack_stud Male 13-17
    439 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 6:47 am
    @Madest: I think you`ve just disproved every single religion. Just remember everybody, you saw it at IAB first.
  179. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:02 am
    True Scripture!
    *Lobs it like a gernade at Opiebreath`s hiding place*
  180. Profile photo of iab-danijo
    iab-danijo Female 13-17
    24 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:28 am
    shirobon satan=sin=death
    death=populationcontrol=more food and room=more life

    life=death=sin=satan
    life=satan

    nehehehehe
    imjoking btw im not religious really that just made me chuckle

  181. Profile photo of pomunium
    pomunium Female 13-17
    77 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:37 am
    I`a Cthulhu?
  182. Profile photo of Webz
    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:39 am
    @tvremote

    That`s because Baalthazaq is pretty much the last Christian left on IAB defending his beliefs from the poo-storm of "l0l, relligon is teh sux0rzzz".

    I gave up a long time ago.

  183. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:51 am
    Number of people killed in the name of atheism: 0.

    Suck on that bitches.

    @Baal>

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in...

    Churches were closed, religions were banned, but no one was killed.

  184. Profile photo of MetalicDemon
    MetalicDemon Male 18-29
    1485 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:56 am
    lol, religeon sucks!!!!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:59 am
    Its a good thing Baalthazaq is wasting his "talent" here, in a place where no one cares, rather than trying to undermine society like a creationist.
  186. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:08 am
    Lazy - whilst I bat for the aethiest side - any theism can, if pursued aggresively, lead to genocide. e.g. Pol Pot.
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    barrooo Male 30-39
    414 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:47 am
    `My apologies, I`m not very good at this whole internet thing.`

    Thats OK, just reimburse me for the cost of a new mouse and we`ll forget all about it

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    roflmao Male 18-29
    37 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:50 am
    @metalicDemon
    Yo momma sucks..
    sorry that was just to easy.....like yo momma.

    ok I`ll stop now..

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 9:07 am
    @opiebreath
    Tosses...

    Need the second one for good mesures.
  190. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 9:07 am
    I love how everytime somebody disagrees with an argument on principle alone (since they obviously don`t understand the argument being made..), they yell out STRAWMAN! and feel somehow vindicated. It`s nothing more than a pathetic diversionary tactic that only puts a spotlight on the amazing idiocy behind it.

    ANYWAY, I go to bed, come back and see what happened here, and the most important thing I came away with was: 5cats has been playing matchmaker (about as effectively as making any kind of point)!

    So, uh... hey Baal, when are we going out?

  191. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
    138 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 9:16 am
    @ Opie

    Bring in the doctrine of zombies and you`ve got more crap hitting the fan, than you hear at a joint Miley/Billy-Ray Cyrus concert.

  192. Profile photo of cuchulainn
    cuchulainn Male 30-39
    138 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 9:29 am
    @Davymid

    Don`t know if you remember, we emailed once before. I grew up in Portadown and watched the fires of the zealots burn on the hill from the kitchen window.

    Religion is a farce, a list of do`s and don`ts intended to scare you into being a good person. Faith, IMHO, is (or at least should be) entirely different, it should be personal and positive, rather than theologically atheistic and indifferent.

  193. Profile photo of viczko
    viczko Male 13-17
    906 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 10:42 am
    baal seriously? cmon man. is the 16th time the charm to get it to through IAB. That is unless of course you just like to show off your extreme religious knowledge, which would be sad considering its a bunch of people that like nothing more than cats caught in funny poses
  194. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32823 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 11:04 am
    Trust me, I`m a good matchmaker (except for myself...)


    Starving Zomibe Kitteh

  195. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 11:25 am
    Atheism not killing anybody? Lenin, Pol Pot anyone?
    Communism (an atheist system) has probably killed as many or more than all Christian sects combined.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 11:29 am
    @viczko

    You forgot zombies viczko zombies. Now for the ultimate combo a zombie kitty jesus....

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    kellbell1991 Female 18-29
    76 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 11:34 am
    LOL
  198. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 11:38 am
    Ballthazag - i think maybe that clears the god/allah thing up - but really, does an muslim say - "The Greeks had many illah" then?
  199. Profile photo of kaffebaggel
    kaffebaggel Male 18-29
    43 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    "Atheism not killing anybody? Lenin, Pol Pot anyone?
    Communism (an atheist system) has probably killed as many or more than all Christian sects combined."

    Wow, no... Sure they killed a lot of people and it was horrible. But, the crusades anyone? How about the inquisition? the list goes on.

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    killer199106 Male 18-29
    18 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:22 pm
    EPIC WIN!!!
  201. Profile photo of Lellin
    Lellin Female 13-17
    54 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    On addition to kaffebaggels point: Have you ever heard of a little guy called Hitler. He was a christian and look what he did. You can argue that his values and actions weren`t christian but then you say that about atheist extremists is that they do not truly represent a whole belief. Check out EvilBible.
  202. Profile photo of Lellin
    Lellin Female 13-17
    54 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:35 pm
    Can I just apologise for the awful grammar and spelling but you get the general message.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm
    dax2009
    Female, 50-59, Midwest US
    4 Posts
    Monday, December 28, 2009 11:25:27 AM
    Atheism not killing anybody? Lenin, Pol Pot anyone?
    Communism (an atheist system) has probably killed as many or more than all Christian sects combined.
    --------------------------------------------------

    And you belive that Myth?

    Communism fails because upon implementation it becomes Totalitarian, therefore every so called communist nation is infact a totalitarian nation.

    Of course if your stupid enough to belive atheist = communist = cold blooded killer then this is a wasted post, because lets be honest, no one wants to discuss these complicated matters with a retarded cabbage!


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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
    1358 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    Lenin kaffebaggel??
    Try Stalin, yeah Lenin was going down the same road, but he died and, thus cannot be blamed.
    Almost as if to say that Niche is responsible for the holocaust.
  205. Profile photo of BenTheBug
    BenTheBug Male 18-29
    1195 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    If you think about it, God kills everyone no matter what...

    and @Lellin

    Nice try, but Hitler wasn`t Christian... He kind of tried to invent his own religion...

  206. Profile photo of TCullen23
    TCullen23 Female 18-29
    330 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    and @ lellin every religion you will find a group of extremists and yeah hitler kinda wasn`t a Christian hun. sorry
  207. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:21 pm
    I think the Bible is actually Satan trying to trick people into believing that he is god. God seems more Evil then Satan Every day
  208. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    @ Lellin

    Hitler was raised Roman Catholic but ceased all official religious observance when he became an adult. He did often reffer to the creator in his in some of his speeches and "Mein Kampf" however.
    That said, it is documented that in 1941he said to General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" so one has to assume he thought of himself as catholic.He never left the church and he was never excommunicated (no suprise there).

    He wasnt an Atheist either (contrary to what some christians would have you belive).

  209. Profile photo of tvremote
    tvremote Male 18-29
    447 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:12 pm
    Baalthazaq I don`t mean to say you don`t have good points to make, what I`m trying to say is this:
    You can argue with a wall all day long that it should be a door, and you can make every logical and well reasoned points in the world, but at the end of the day you`re just arguing with a wall.
  210. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
    791 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    OK with the Hitler or Stalin being athiest-Hitler no and Stalin yes-however the German people were among the highest observing populace of religion, Hitler didn`t personally kill all those people also, he merely had 20th century weapons/technology while Ghengis Khan would have gladly killed more people if he had had 20th century weapons/technology
  211. Profile photo of Sabre200000
    Sabre200000 Male 18-29
    1039 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Meh, forget that. Whether you believe in God or not...

    The crusades "in god`s name" (aka Christianity) killed more people than nearly any evil HUMAN movement on earth before and since.

  212. Profile photo of Paul1582
    Paul1582 Male 13-17
    670 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 5:09 pm
    This religious debate is really dumb.

    But I have to get one thing clear...

    Isn`t torture worse than death?

  213. Profile photo of Mickets
    Mickets Male 30-39
    246 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 5:36 pm
    Satan has no power to kill a person. He can persuade a person to kill another or himself, though.

    By the way, the crusades were composed by humans. It wasn`t God. If they used God`s name, that`s another story.

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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    crusades killed aprox 11 million people - stalin 16 million.
  215. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:05 pm
    maddogg - i do not believe atheist = communist = cold blooded killer any more than you believe christian = cold blooded killer (unless, of course, you do). neither did i say nor imply that i did. and if these matters are really complicated for you, then you are the retarded cabbage, aren`t you?
  216. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 7:06 pm
    by the way, what "myth" are you referring to?
  217. Profile photo of Aceyblob
    Aceyblob Female 18-29
    91 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    it`s truuuue D;
  218. Profile photo of Skreshavik
    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    Crusades? Lol, that`s when Rome highjacked Christianity and turned it into a pseudo-Pagan belief!
  219. Profile photo of Jfizzle
    Jfizzle Male 13-17
    184 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    Open your eyes, people! It`s all Urchins! The Urchins are behind it all! Can`t you see?!
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    JakInVegas Male 18-29
    17 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 9:18 pm
    Here is my not much needed commentary, Even though i dont take much seriously on i am b, but, why the drat would anyone worship a fictional character that killed millions of people "supposedly" and they worship "him" out of fear of sending to hell. And then hate on another fictional character that barely did anythying. Religion makes me pissed...
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    December 28, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    My oh my I-a-b has degenerated to levels I thought unattainable. Not long until /b/tards start pouring in...
    o crap i`m already here
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    savoytuffle Female 18-29
    74 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 12:53 am
    ):
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 1:48 am
    @ dax2009

    Myth.Isn`t Atheism the Same as Communism?

    You clearly are having a problem with this, thus my annoyance at you rolling out Stalin and Communism. I`m not going to dispute that there are plenty of "atheist" ideas in Communism but you are confusing the men with the system. Vladimir Lenin often spoke out against religion and was an atheist yet in communist China "freedom of religion" is more or less guarenteed.

    So get your facts right.

    Your proping up Stalin as some form of atheistic leader (no such thing) when infact he was a totalitarian, exactly the same thing as Hitler and it is documented he considered himself a Catholic (though he was not a practicing one).
    That said, Hitler did a fine job of rallying all the German Christians to get up and fight for him.

    However..since you bring up the Crusades that was s

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 1:53 am
    >>
    Infact in the case of the crusades it was pretty much started by a speech made by Pope Urban II which then just snowballed for the next 2 centuries.


    But keep going, I`d like to see where you going with this..

    People keep spewing out facts on this site without acctually having any hence my annoyance!


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    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
    1081 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 2:41 am
    With gods like these...
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    lordtyusa Male 30-39
    301 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 5:52 am
    Cute, but completely erroneous. Look, I put my source down on the paper as the "Bible"! That must mean all my facts are 100% true, and totally NOT just my poor attempt to spread my retarded personal agenda! Fail IAB. Fail.
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    Nickel_Creek Male 18-29
    76 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 8:20 am
    one down, thats uncalled for
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    Paula28 Female 18-29
    57 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 9:05 am
    your spectulation of the # of people mostly came from Noah and the Ark. BUT, God did not kill them. They killed themselves. They had the choice to save themselves and chose not to. Oh and how can you have an exact number were you there for any of these times???
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    HepaB Male 18-29
    43 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 9:48 am
    "your spectulation of the # of people mostly came from Noah and the Ark. BUT, God did not kill them. They killed themselves. They had the choice to save themselves and chose not to. Oh and how can you have an exact number were you there for any of these times???"

    In the case of Noah`s Arc, it was GOD that killed them. Sure they the people had a choice, but the guy with the most power, GOD, chose to kill them instead of using his godly powers save them and force them to repent.

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    Satkela Female 18-29
    583 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 11:04 am
    No... they did kill themselves...We as human beings are responsible for our own actions and our own choices that we make...God created us with the freedom of choice...so forcing us to do something would be a contradiction of his own words...and Noah warned them what God`s plans were...It was their own stupidity and hardheadedness that was their demise...
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    Oh my!

    A) The flood never happened.
    b) By Biblical terms (if it had happened) god DID kill those people. Who sent the bloody flood? Who told Noah to build the ark?

    Helllloooo!!!

    Are you people really that stupid? Do you acctually read the bible?

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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    maddog: freedom of religion in china? tell that to the underground church, and the ministers of those churches they keep sending to prison/labor camps for umpteen years. Pleaseeeeeeeee. As to the flood - God sent people a way out of the flood, which He is still doing, and people ignored (or chose not to believe it) as they are still doing today. Metaphorically speaking, of course. And communism IS an atheistic system.
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    Mr_Onix Male 18-29
    59 posts
    December 29, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    @Paula28

    Kinda like saw? :D

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    mac_n_cheese Male 13-17
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    December 30, 2009 at 7:14 am
    hiler wins at 6000000
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    iknowmyname Male 18-29
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    December 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    @Macncheese
    "Hitler"
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    HepaB Male 18-29
    43 posts
    December 30, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    Maddog is correct, even if the people had a choice, GOD still decided to bring the great flood, hence, GOD killed those people.

    PS. Isn`t our God supposed to be forgiving and compassionate? then why kill them? also, did our God even think about the unborn babies of that time? no! He even killed the innocent and unborn!

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    Frogtango Male 13-17
    1720 posts
    December 30, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    stalin wins at an estimated 20,000,000
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    December 30, 2009 at 5:22 pm
    X.X
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    flattoptyce Male 70 & Over
    12 posts
    December 31, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    "PS. Isn`t our God supposed to be forgiving and compassionate? then why kill them? also, did our God even think about the unborn babies of that time? no! He even killed the innocent and unborn!"

    By whose standards is he unjust? Maybe by your standards or the standards of today but you don`t know his motivation

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    diaphram Male 13-17
    91 posts
    February 2, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    OH YEAH!!!!

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