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102 Responses to What To Do Seconds Before You Die… [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:23 am
    Link: What To Do Seconds Before You Die... - If this is how it really works, then we`re probably all gonna be OK.
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    crimsonattck Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:27 am
    thats kinda what my bible teacher says.
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    clam85 Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:34 am
    Definately gonna do that!
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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:37 am
    oh I can`t wait to see the war this is about to ignite.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:39 am
    yup. that about sums it up. funny right?
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:47 am
    Yeah, but if you are always doing good, you have full-time coverage, instead of just deathbed.
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    BABY_BEAR Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:54 am
    That`s utter lameness. Christians say it doesnt work like that; you can`t `decide` to suddenly believe that Jesus was the son of God and accept the biblical God as is; i know, ive tried, really hard! you either believe or you don`t. I dont know where that faith comes from; it doesnt seem to be something a person can rationalise themselves into, and if you genuinly believe, know whats wrong or a `sin` then you dont choose the time of your remorse, thats how conscience works; if you have one. If its a genuine process. And according to Christians God knows if youre BS-ing anyway, so this lazy cliche of a cartoon isnt working on more than 1 level.
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    alexus2394 Female 13-17
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    December 13, 2009 at 10:55 am
    Yeah that`s not how forgivness goes at all, but their ignorance won`t hurt me.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:07 am
    Reminds me of the Godfather for some reason
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    mr_c_bowler Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:13 am
    im catholic and the way i have interpreted the forgiveness is not that you need to believe it, as long as you acknowledge it and put forth even the most minimal effort. god always gives forgiveness to those who ask for it. therefore that pic could be true. either way, don`t get angry over it. just enjoy it, think of it like a comedic skit. it a comedian were to have said that, you all would be laughing.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:34 am
    O the controversy! let it begin!
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    YLE Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:46 am
    lol so true
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    Jaellot Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:53 am
    This is had it worked in the beginning. Roman big-wigs would worship their gods and goddesses, then on their death-beds convert. Xians at the time didn`t mind, since it meant some form of acceptance in society at large. This eventually gave way to some Romans openly practicing, and eventually the faith moving from cult status to state religion when Constantin had a dream, of a flaming cross, and the words "By this sign shall you conquer" or something like that.

    And the rest, is history. And so was that, but meh, you get the idea. Also, history aside, this cartoon is right given that even in the bible itself there are the two thieves tacked up along JC, and one repents while dying on the cross as well. It`s right there, in writing, in the bible.

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    andybme Male 50-59
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:06 pm
    Well according to:
    Colossians 3:13
    Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

    So that must mean that the female angel in that pic should go up and give him a big hug and say you`re forgiven, instead of saying "WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?". Yep, I can see that happening here on earth too.

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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    What a very fascinating and not at all controversial topic this is.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    In the next panel, she is sent to Hell for irate.
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    v_ataraxic Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    I think the man saying,"that`s all it took" can be proof he didn`t really mean the forgiveness and really accepted whoever or whatever.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    Stupid cartoon, lazy cartoonist.
    IF he really did accept Jesus & Christianity, God would know (obviously) and he`d get into christian heaven. What`s wrong with being surprised? It`s not like the female is saying "You don`t belong in Heaven, get out!" or something.
    Now as for this being a good idea, as opposed to living honestly and being good? Don`t bet your life, er soul, on it, eh?
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    @C Bowler
    "im catholic and the way i have interpreted the forgiveness is not that you need to believe it, as long as you acknowledge it and put forth even the most minimal effort. god always gives forgiveness to those who ask for it. therefore that pic could be true. either way, don`t get angry over it. just enjoy it, think of it like a comedic skit. it a comedian were to have said that, you all would be laughing."

    This is such a fracked up theology I do not even know where to start. Maybe at the Church, who created the idea of Confession to gain power over the royal families of Europe? Maybe at the fracked up book of Genesis, that blames women for the "Fall"? Maybe with the fact that the 2000 years of Catholicism have been the most bloody in the history of humankind, due mainly in part to the Church? Maybe at the fact that you have no idea what forgiveness and admission of guilt means, looking at your self-serving statement.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    ...2000 years of Catholicism have been the most bloody in the history of humankind...
    Oh obviously StarDagger! The Mongel Hordes, pre-columbian Aztecs, China`s Emipres, all because of the Catholics! The source of all evil and wickedness in the universe! Surprised you didn`t also blame the Jews while you were at it...
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    TheFrankster Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:31 pm
    That`s drating ridiculous, just before you die you beg to God it doesn`t work like that. So 2 seconds before Hitler died, he said "Sorry, forgive me." After he killed millions of innocent people. Your drating retarded go die you mean person.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    "What a very fascinating and not at all controversial topic this is."

    That`s because that`s how we roll. 8-)

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    yepimbored Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:34 pm
    So who is this Jesus Christ guy that everyone is talking about? Never heard of him. Was he some kind of Mexican king or something? This guy came by my house last Saturday and asked if I had heard the "Good News"...I asked if Obama had been impeached. He said no and told me Jesus loved me and killed himself because I like to take a drink every now and then and I once saw a nudie movie on HBO.
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    apexraised Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Hey star maybe you should I don`t know, read the Bible before speaking? The church honestly believed that confession was the way to get to heaven, ever heard of the tabernacle? The Catholic church didn`t "invent" confession they might have misused it, but it was a good idea in theory. Adam was standing next to Eve when she "caused the fall"
    and was punished. Remember that whole thought that men where supposed to take care of women? And maybe you could, I don`t know, calm down and take this as the joke is was meant to be?
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    Calderis Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    Raised christian myself, and yes, it does work that way. The Key is "accepting jesus into your heart" so it would have to a sincere desire for repentance and change, but it would work.

    No if someone we`re just "uh, hey Jesus, I`m dyin and, uh, I`m sorry, so lemme in now." No it wouldn`t.

    But this is one of the many reasons I`m agnostic.

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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 1:23 pm
    You may as well give it a shot on your deathbed, it only takes 10 seconds to "repent". Best of both worlds!
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    Mickets Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    It only takes 10 seconds to SAY you repent.

    From the dialog, tt looks like the girl didn`t forgive, so she shouldn`t be there either. To forgive is almost like forgetting, but as humans we don`t have the capacity to forget on purpose. But God forgets, forgives, and gives us yet another chance.

    Hell is full of people with good intentions. But faith without deeds is dead.

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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Well I was gonna say that is cartoon is stupid because you obviously need to believe in your repentance for it to mean anything, but I see that everyone beat me to it, so i`ll just say GO GIANTS!!
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    Mickets Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    Oh, I forgot to mention: don`t count that you will die slowly and have those 10 seconds.

    You can die instantly (car crash, shot in the head, run over by truck, stroke, break neck in bike/motorbike fall, etc).

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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    it`s funny because religion is a hoax <3
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 2:31 pm
    thats a handy little piece of advice
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    uunnfair_4ol Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    Micket, That makes so much sense. No wonder life is messed up. TheOleGreatOne keeps forgetting about us.
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    NotHerAgain Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    Aka: How atheists view religion.
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    verinon Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    Sweet! That means I can use religion in the last seconds of my life but be an atheist the rest of the time! Thank you, Christianity!
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    To be honest, if you though about the Christian God (of all things) just before you died, you probably would really really really mean the apology in your last seconds.
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    snargh Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    Nice! Now he gets to rape and mutilate the poo out of her for all eternity. Suppose she will have to accept her fate and just enjoy it, maybe even fall in love. Truly heavenly!
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    Where is the second panel and then the third panel with the punchline?
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    "Oh, Mephistopholes!"
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    ToughCookie Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    @LandoGriffin

    Exactly what I was thinking.

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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    wow..
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    i think people miss the point of faith. it`s not profess with the lips and that`s it. you have to have it in your heart. almost anybody would accept somebody if they had a change of heart, so why wouldn`t god? but then it wouldn`t be funny.
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    Gorodetsky Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    Loopholes ares Hilalious!
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    Hayllee Female 13-17
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    December 13, 2009 at 4:57 pm
    I agree with what looks to be 50% of the comment section, and makes me happy to know I`m not the only Christian on I-A-B. You can easily say you repent, but if you truly in your heart are not interested in repenting, you`re screwed.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    What if he truley did believe he had done wrong, and repented.
    That wouldn`t take back what he had done, would it?
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    SparkleBabys Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    LOL GORODETSKY
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    Paul1582 Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Heh. Heathen.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    but if you truly in your heart are not interested in repenting, you`re screwed.

    If *the plan* is to repent just before death, as it is in the cartoon, why wouldn`t you "truly in your heart be interested in repenting".

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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    Because, Lazyme, you have to in your heart believe you did something wrong, and repent for what you did wrong. Its not enough to say, "oh no if I don`t say I`m sorry I`ll be screwed". Stop trolling.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    that`s how it works.
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    Concetra Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 9:16 pm
    Anyone who posts an atom.com links on this website is immediately escorted to hell as soon as they die no matter how many times they repent.
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    dreambrother Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2009 at 11:31 pm
    This is how it works for Baptists. If you`re Catholic, acting like an non-nice individual will score you negative points against God.
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 12:00 am
    nice one
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 12:01 am
    but for the catholics you just have to burn a few years before entering heaven.
    and compared to eternity in heaven nobody cares how long you burn before, simple math
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 1:00 am
    there by the grace of god.... it`s a simple enough idea.

    unless of course your anti religious bias derives amusement from anything that in any way makes fun of god/religion/faith.

    ha, religious joke, god is silly. ha ha. sweet.

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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2009 at 1:13 am
    That`s NOT how it works....... exactly. Again.. when someone looks at something else without knowing a damn thing about it, you get this. The Sacrament of Penance ONLY works on someone who MEANS and if you think that`s easy, remember who you are trying to convince.
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    ammit13fma Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 1:30 am
    ohthedrama, would you perhaps be catholic?

    I was raised southern and general baptist...we believe there is not death bed confusion and that true absolution of sin come for realizing the wrong you did and strive to make amend for the rest of your life (sound grim). But southern baptist do not believe in backsliding (losing your faith) they believe those who lost there faith never believed int eh first place

    sorry I-Am-bers I always fidn the dogma of the clergy to be a little weird and thus studied it

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    Samsonite219 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:04 am
    rape can get you into heaven?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:38 am
    Christians, could one of you tell me - did the apostle Thomas get into heaven?
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:55 am
    ammit13fma: That makes perfect sense and conforms to the ideas in the Bible to begin with. However it is possible to lose faith. The Israelites did it quite often. Difficult to not see this from the OT. True absolution cannot be unless you truly know the wrong you have committed and that you truly wish to be made whole again. Thus lies the problem with humanity. We cannot see past our own faults and the more graven the crime we simply cannot accept the idea that the perpetrator can even be healed. (S)he is condemned for life. And why would the Apostle Thomas not go to heaven. He may have doubted Christ`s resurrection but this is a VERY typical of humankind to begin with and completely on par with the OT.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:56 am
    And why would the Apostle Thomas not go to heaven. He may have doubted Christ`s resurrection but this is a VERY typical of humankind to begin with and completely on par with the OT.

    So he did get in? Good. Then all Jesus has to do to save my soul is do the same thing he did for Thomas - appear personally, and prove it. If he loves everyone equally, he`ll do the same for me that he did for Thomas.

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    Wundt Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 4:44 am
    I once asked this exact question to Christians and they said, "yes, this is absolutely correct" and "yes, we are okay with it". The idea that a non-believer who lives a good life should be denied heaven (in their eyes) while a `christian` criminal is let in is one of the most wrong-headed aspects of the christian faith.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 4:57 am
    "I once asked this exact question to Christians and they said, "yes, this is absolutely correct" and "yes, we are okay with it". The idea that a non-believer who lives a good life should be denied heaven (in their eyes) while a `christian` criminal is let in is one of the most wrong-headed aspects of the christian faith. "

    Actually its key for recruitment. If you`re not in this club you can`t come in.

    Its all a spin off from our basic tribal nature, a god thats on `our` team.

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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 5:03 am
    So... what is with I-A-B`s fanatical anti-Christian agenda lately? Why not take on the Hindus? The Muslims?

    Just because you`ve never read the Bible and therefore base your entire understanding of the faith upon the few outspoken(and crazy), self-professing "Christian" representatives doesn`t mean that you need to single out this one religion for ridicule.

    Make fun of them all or none.

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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 5:09 am
    And almightybob, nice try, kid; but your "clever trap" is flawed from the beginning.

    Truth be told, no body knows for sure if Thomas went to heaven. But do you not remember what Jesus said to him immediately after proving His resurrection?

    He said "You believe because you have seen, but blessed are those who believe but have not seen."

    To Wundt: You mention a non-believer living a "good life?" By whose standards? Yours? Society`s? We didn`t create and we don`t rule heaven. God does. He decides the standards, not us. Don`t like His laws? Then don`t obey them. But don`t cry if and when you`re denied something for your choices.

    No one is good. Not the rapist. Not Mother Theresa. Not according to God`s standards. That`s the whole point of Jesus` death and resurrection.

    The Jews and Romans didn`t kill Jesus... God the Father crushed Jesus under the full weight of his own wrath against sin.

    Perhaps you should all read the Bible before

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    Jayno Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 6:09 am
    So Jesus died for all of humanities sins, and all I have to do is accept Him as my savior, and I get to go to Heaven?
    This doesn`t Jive with me because of this fact. If someone committed a murder, and is on trial, and I go in to the court and say "I`ll take his place it`s ok", do you really think that is the right thing to do? Would the family of the victim really say think this is the just? And should the judge even allow this?
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2009 at 6:15 am
    Just be thankful that we can have this dialogue without fear of persecution. While you`re at it, be thankful to those who put their lives at risk everyday to keep us safe (police, fire fighters, and soldiers) and for those who`ve gone before to fight for our rights. Through their sacrifices, we can continue to have these debates, speak freely, and maintain the freedom to make our own choices.
  67. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 6:58 am
    Just because you`ve never read the Bible and therefore base your entire understanding of the faith upon the few outspoken(and crazy), self-professing "Christian" representatives doesn`t mean that you need to single out this one religion for ridicule.

    Make fun of them all or none.

    I have read the Bible plenty of times. I was raised Catholic so I was made to read it a lot then, and I often use quotes from the Bible to point out flaws in any one person`s stance which they say is "based on what the Bible says" - eg they say all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Jesus, but Jesus himself said that to get into heaven you need to be "more righteous than a Pharisee" (Matthew 5:20) - i.e. be more devout than the Pharisees, who followed all 400+ OT laws.

    And I do consider all religions equally ridiculous, but I don`t encounter the others anywhere near as often as Christianity.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 7:07 am
    And almightybob, nice try, kid; but your "clever trap" is flawed from the beginning.

    He said "You believe because you have seen, but blessed are those who believe but have not seen."

    Either Thomas got into heaven, or he didn`t. If he did, then I`m right. If he didn`t, then Jesus screwed Thomas over by appearing to him. Jesus took away Thomas` free will to believe without seeing. Just like he did when he appeared before the 500, and indeed everyone else who saw him after the resurrection. Were they all damned to miss out on heaven for believing after seeing? Either believing after seeing is good enough, or it isn`t. If it isn`t, Jesus condemned to hell everyone he appeared to after the resurrection.

    Frankly, whether they got into heaven or not is irrelevant. The point is, Thomas said "I won`t believe until I see", and Jesus made a personal appearance to him to convince him. But he won`t do the same for me.

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    JTheGreat Female 13-17
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    December 14, 2009 at 7:57 am
    Hah, heaven`s pretty flexible.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 9:18 am
    "We didn`t create (and we don`t rule) heaven."

    I think someone, somewhere along the line did create heaven, as a concept. Sounded good (especially for controlling a population mired in the mud) so it caught on. You`ll get your reward in the afterlife, the suffering will be worthwhile etc.

    "god will provide a way,
    you read about it every day,
    all you have to do is pray,
    and furnish his house with silver"

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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 9:26 am
    Almightybob has never heard of an allegory apparently.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 9:43 am
    Heaven is just ANOTHER way for the church to control simple minded people. If you believe you are NOT free. You are a sheep. Make believe is for kids grow up and look at the real world people instead of living in a fantasy that does not exist. Just cause a book says it is true does not make it true.
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    DaisyDope Female 13-17
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    December 14, 2009 at 9:47 am
    haha, religion.
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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 10:56 am
    Speaking as an athiest (or more specifically as a don`t care agnostic)...

    Religion as a tool HAS it`s place. There are perfectly good reasons to have it.

    If a watering hole would get you sick, and you had no idea of well contamination from bacteria, saying it`s a "cursed well" will keep folks from drinking from it and getting sick.

    If you`re in the desert and there`s no form of automobile or refridgeration, saying that you shouldn`t eat shellfish is probably smart, as it`s not preservable (like fish), probably spoiled from the heat, and would likely kill you.

    The problem is that the core wisdom of the religion is the Old Testament, which is based on a desert tribe. While some ideas are still pretty good and universal (don`t kill, don`t steal, don`t want your neighbors stuff), others don`t make any sense because our lifestyle is different.

    We need to work on the why`s behind the stories. Because now we DO have the understanding.

    Let`s use it.

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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Ha just checking back, yep, its gotten to be a religious debate!
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    Wundt Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 1:06 pm
    Reformer81... I gave the following scenario to the christians I talked to.

    "There ia a Hindu medical doctor and an atheist nurse, both of whom volunteer at a community medical center and who, combined, have saved and improved the lives of thousands of people. They have never committed any significant crime or engaged in overtly `immoral` activity. Then, a lifelong criminal enters the clinic, kills the doctor and rapes and kills the nurse. He is fatally shot by the police. During his last momments, he has a heartfelt `conversion` and accept JC `into his heart`. By christan teaching... he would be accepted to heaven while the two he killed... hell (or non-heaven).

    I cannot believe in any religion, or in any god, where your worship of him is more important than how you behave. It shows that christianity has no moral authority and that christian should stop claiming their religion as a moral compass.

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    jennifer6716 Female 13-17
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    December 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    word, Janus, word
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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 2:14 pm
    Almightybob, if Jesus had not appeared to any of his followers after His death, no one would believe He had risen. There wouldn`t be the hundreds of written accounts of His life that we have now. He doesn`t need to personally "appear" to you because His resurrection has already been witnessed (and recorded) by hundreds of witnesses.

    All it takes in an American court to convict a criminal (generally speaking) is 3 eye-witnesses that say the bad guy did it. But when hundreds of people saw AND recorded what Jesus did during his lifetime, so many people balk. Strange.

    Wundt - You are not the judge. Neither am I. Does it seem fair to me, a Christian? Not entirely. However, keep in mind that God doesn`t judge us purely on our actions, but on our thought lives as well. Every wicked thought we`ve had (and the Hindu doctor and atheist nurse) is held against us.

    No one, and I mean NO ONE, has EVER gone to hell for a failure to believe in Jesus Christ as their savior...

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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    (cont.)... even what the Bible teaches! No. People go to hell for breaking the laws that God has given us all to obey (specifically, the 10 Commandments). Our SIN earns us hell, not our failure to fall upon Jesus in faith.

    One lie. That`s all it would take and you are suddenly no longer worthy of heaven. That Hindu/atheist medical team is no different. They are sinners.

    The murderer may have committed a greater sin (at least in our eyes) and it is highly unlikely that he would throw himself into TRUE repentence upon his deathbead that quickly.

    However, salvation takes but a split second. God is powerful enough and just enough. Thankfully it isn`t our job to judge who does and does not deserve heaven, because honestly, NONE of us do!

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    Reformer81 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    err... I mean that "is not even what the Bible teaches" ... I should pay closer attention when I hit that max character mark :)
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 2:32 pm
    All those who think Jesus was really the son of God, I have got a question: how come if he could heal people, he died on the cross? I mean, shouldn`t he have been able to heal himself? Or was it like kryptonite nails or something?
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:27 pm
    @waffle: It was a plot! Jesus was a well trained fakir who knew how to fake his death. Also Judas didn`t betray him, it was part of the plan. A big promotion show. That`s the only explanation that makes any sense if you believe what 4 (not hundreds) people recorded (some 80 to 100 years after the event)
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm
    osmandias - does that mean that the disciples who wrote the gospel were over 100 years old? Damn I didn`t know that people lived longer in those days than they do today! Wow!
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    Hergs Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    RELIGIOUS DEBATE!! WOOOH!
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    wow... guess what i`m doing tonight.. wink wink
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    @waffle: some of those people live until today - if you believe the bible where jesus reportedly said that some of his disciple would live to see the second coming ...
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    RipJack Male 13-17
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    December 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    the rapists eye is a backwards six.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 11:32 pm
    Almightybob, if Jesus had not appeared to any of his followers after His death, no one would believe He had risen.

    So what you`re saying is... believing without seeing is too much to expect?
    For once, we agree.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2009 at 11:40 pm
    There wouldn`t be the hundreds of written accounts of His life that we have now. He doesn`t need to personally "appear" to you because His resurrection has already been witnessed (and recorded) by hundreds of witnesses.

    Please do point to these hundreds of written testimonies of people who saw Jesus after his death. I`ll give you the 4 in the Bible to start with.

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 15, 2009 at 4:55 am
    osmandias - so what do they work as today then? Did one of them play Yoda?
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    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    December 15, 2009 at 9:17 am
    @waffle
    Everyone/Anyone who follows Christ is a disciple, you`re thinking of Apostles
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    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    December 15, 2009 at 9:19 am
    I`m pretty sure people are thinking saying the words "I`m Sorry" and being sorry are the same thing...They ain`t.
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    icecream2269 Female 18-29
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    December 15, 2009 at 8:49 pm
    i always think of this too, if simply letting jesus into your life and begging for forgiveness is all it takes... what is the level of sin where this doesn`t work?
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    elaklok Male 18-29
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    December 16, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    well whatever does happen then fucccck it..we gotta go truh with it! =/
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    nikkicuntfac Female 13-17
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    December 16, 2009 at 5:50 pm
    Yeah hes able to get into heaven if he ment it and ask for forgiveness becasue christians are suposed to be able to forgive those who sin againist them 0.o
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 17, 2009 at 2:40 am
    @Discomonkey - so Jesus didn`t choose 12 disciples? OK... <consults bible> nope says disciple in this work of fiction over here... <checks other chapters> oh this bit says Apostle... <reads further> snore.....
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    SalokinX Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2009 at 8:53 am
    You know. The other day I was reading a book called The Fellowship of the Rings by J.J. Tolkien and I thought to myself "This is a well recorded sequence of events, why isn`t this a religion?"

    People blindly follow a religion that has no proof of happening but some papers with letters in it.

    I could grab a pen and paper right now and write a whole book and say everything happened and hopefully, some years for now, someone will find it and say "holy crap! Check this out! I found the REAL religion".

    What makes people act so foolishly and actually thing that religion, any of them, is worth a minute of your life? You are wasting time reading what some people saw - or THINK they saw - which might not even be true.

    Just because I read The Fellowship of the Rings, doesn`t mean it is a recorded event. It is a FICTIONAL story, just like the Bible. Except the Bible was made to control empty-minded people and the LOTR trilogy was made to entertain people.

    If you grow

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    SalokinX Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2009 at 9:09 am
    of religion, does that make you an Atheist? Most likely. Does that prevent you from getting into heaven? Definitely. Now THAT`S a good religion: either find humanity and get into Church or get eaten by lions and go to hell for your innocence.

    I don`t know how people still follow a religion that, at one point, went as far as killing people for simply being accused of being a witch. Now THAT`S the meaning of good sense.

    Or, killing people for saying the truth. Like our good ol` Giordano Bruno, who was killed by religious-freaks just because of his astronomical theories.

    Just a simple, rough count of how many people were killed due to theism and how many due to atheism:
    *Deaths causd by theism: 2,229,074,100
    *Highest possible atheism death toll without Stalin: 45,000,000.
    *Highest possible atheism death toll with Stalin: 95,000,000.

    Yup, seems to me that Religion DOES serve a purpose: avoid over population of the world.

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    SalokinX Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2009 at 9:11 am
    http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/0...

    Read that.

    Summary:
    Bible = Fiction
    Fiction = NOT TRUE
    Religion kills a lot of people

    And the strip was funny

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    regalia13 Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2009 at 7:07 am
    "Yup, seems to me that Religion DOES serve a purpose: avoid over population of the world."

    Interesting viewpoint....

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    yepimbored Male 30-39
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    January 29, 2011 at 9:52 am
    So who is this Jesus Christ guy that everyone is talking about? Never heard of him. Was he some kind of Mexican king or something? This guy came by my house last Saturday and asked if I had heard the "Good News"...I asked if Obama had been impeached. He said no and told me Jesus loved me and killed himself because I like to take a drink every now and then and I once saw a nudie movie on HBO.
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    yepimbored Male 30-39
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    February 5, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    So who is this Jesus Christ guy that everyone is talking about? Never heard of him. Was he some kind of Mexican king or something? This guy came by my house last Saturday and asked if I had heard the "Good News"...I asked if Obama had been impeached. He said no and told me Jesus loved me and killed himself because I like to take a drink every now and then and I once saw a nudie movie on HBO.

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