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Summary:Bible = FictionFiction = NOT TRUEReligion kills a lot of people
And the strip was funny
I don`t know how people still follow a religion that, at one point, went as far as killing people for simply being accused of being a witch. Now THAT`S the meaning of good sense.
Or, killing people for saying the truth. Like our good ol` Giordano Bruno, who was killed by religious-freaks just because of his astronomical theories.
Just a simple, rough count of how many people were killed due to theism and how many due to atheism:*Deaths causd by theism: 2,229,074,100*Highest possible atheism death toll without Stalin: 45,000,000.*Highest possible atheism death toll with Stalin: 95,000,000.
Yup, seems to me that Religion DOES serve a purpose: avoid over population of the world.
People blindly follow a religion that has no proof of happening but some papers with letters in it.
I could grab a pen and paper right now and write a whole book and say everything happened and hopefully, some years for now, someone will find it and say "holy crap! Check this out! I found the REAL religion".
What makes people act so foolishly and actually thing that religion, any of them, is worth a minute of your life? You are wasting time reading what some people saw - or THINK they saw - which might not even be true.
Just because I read The Fellowship of the Rings, doesn`t mean it is a recorded event. It is a FICTIONAL story, just like the Bible. Except the Bible was made to control empty-minded people and the LOTR trilogy was made to entertain people.
If you grow
Please do point to these hundreds of written testimonies of people who saw Jesus after his death. I`ll give you the 4 in the Bible to start with.
So what you`re saying is... believing without seeing is too much to expect?For once, we agree.
One lie. That`s all it would take and you are suddenly no longer worthy of heaven. That Hindu/atheist medical team is no different. They are sinners.
The murderer may have committed a greater sin (at least in our eyes) and it is highly unlikely that he would throw himself into TRUE repentence upon his deathbead that quickly.
However, salvation takes but a split second. God is powerful enough and just enough. Thankfully it isn`t our job to judge who does and does not deserve heaven, because honestly, NONE of us do!
All it takes in an American court to convict a criminal (generally speaking) is 3 eye-witnesses that say the bad guy did it. But when hundreds of people saw AND recorded what Jesus did during his lifetime, so many people balk. Strange.
Wundt - You are not the judge. Neither am I. Does it seem fair to me, a Christian? Not entirely. However, keep in mind that God doesn`t judge us purely on our actions, but on our thought lives as well. Every wicked thought we`ve had (and the Hindu doctor and atheist nurse) is held against us.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, has EVER gone to hell for a failure to believe in Jesus Christ as their savior...
"There ia a Hindu medical doctor and an atheist nurse, both of whom volunteer at a community medical center and who, combined, have saved and improved the lives of thousands of people. They have never committed any significant crime or engaged in overtly `immoral` activity. Then, a lifelong criminal enters the clinic, kills the doctor and rapes and kills the nurse. He is fatally shot by the police. During his last momments, he has a heartfelt `conversion` and accept JC `into his heart`. By christan teaching... he would be accepted to heaven while the two he killed... hell (or non-heaven).
I cannot believe in any religion, or in any god, where your worship of him is more important than how you behave. It shows that christianity has no moral authority and that christian should stop claiming their religion as a moral compass.
Religion as a tool HAS it`s place. There are perfectly good reasons to have it.
If a watering hole would get you sick, and you had no idea of well contamination from bacteria, saying it`s a "cursed well" will keep folks from drinking from it and getting sick.
If you`re in the desert and there`s no form of automobile or refridgeration, saying that you shouldn`t eat shellfish is probably smart, as it`s not preservable (like fish), probably spoiled from the heat, and would likely kill you.
The problem is that the core wisdom of the religion is the Old Testament, which is based on a desert tribe. While some ideas are still pretty good and universal (don`t kill, don`t steal, don`t want your neighbors stuff), others don`t make any sense because our lifestyle is different.
We need to work on the why`s behind the stories. Because now we DO have the understanding.
Let`s use it.
I think someone, somewhere along the line did create heaven, as a concept. Sounded good (especially for controlling a population mired in the mud) so it caught on. You`ll get your reward in the afterlife, the suffering will be worthwhile etc.
"god will provide a way,you read about it every day,all you have to do is pray,and furnish his house with silver"
[ Danielle Dax, Big Hollow Man ]
Either Thomas got into heaven, or he didn`t. If he did, then I`m right. If he didn`t, then Jesus screwed Thomas over by appearing to him. Jesus took away Thomas` free will to believe without seeing. Just like he did when he appeared before the 500, and indeed everyone else who saw him after the resurrection. Were they all damned to miss out on heaven for believing after seeing? Either believing after seeing is good enough, or it isn`t. If it isn`t, Jesus condemned to hell everyone he appeared to after the resurrection.
Frankly, whether they got into heaven or not is irrelevant. The point is, Thomas said "I won`t believe until I see", and Jesus made a personal appearance to him to convince him. But he won`t do the same for me.
Make fun of them all or none.[/quote]
I have read the Bible plenty of times. I was raised Catholic so I was made to read it a lot then, and I often use quotes from the Bible to point out flaws in any one person`s stance which they say is "based on what the Bible says" - eg they say all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Jesus, but Jesus himself said that to get into heaven you need to be "more righteous than a Pharisee" (Matthew 5:20) - i.e. be more devout than the Pharisees, who followed all 400+ OT laws.
And I do consider all religions equally ridiculous, but I don`t encounter the others anywhere near as often as Christianity.
Truth be told, no body knows for sure if Thomas went to heaven. But do you not remember what Jesus said to him immediately after proving His resurrection?
He said "You believe because you have seen, but blessed are those who believe but have not seen."
To Wundt: You mention a non-believer living a "good life?" By whose standards? Yours? Society`s? We didn`t create and we don`t rule heaven. God does. He decides the standards, not us. Don`t like His laws? Then don`t obey them. But don`t cry if and when you`re denied something for your choices.
No one is good. Not the rapist. Not Mother Theresa. Not according to God`s standards. That`s the whole point of Jesus` death and resurrection.
The Jews and Romans didn`t kill Jesus... God the Father crushed Jesus under the full weight of his own wrath against sin.
Perhaps you should all read the Bible before
Just because you`ve never read the Bible and therefore base your entire understanding of the faith upon the few outspoken(and crazy), self-professing "Christian" representatives doesn`t mean that you need to single out this one religion for ridicule.
Make fun of them all or none.
Actually its key for recruitment. If you`re not in this club you can`t come in.
Its all a spin off from our basic tribal nature, a god thats on `our` team.
So he did get in? Good. Then all Jesus has to do to save my soul is do the same thing he did for Thomas - appear personally, and prove it. If he loves everyone equally, he`ll do the same for me that he did for Thomas.
I was raised southern and general baptist...we believe there is not death bed confusion and that true absolution of sin come for realizing the wrong you did and strive to make amend for the rest of your life (sound grim). But southern baptist do not believe in backsliding (losing your faith) they believe those who lost there faith never believed int eh first place
sorry I-Am-bers I always fidn the dogma of the clergy to be a little weird and thus studied it
unless of course your anti religious bias derives amusement from anything that in any way makes fun of god/religion/faith.
ha, religious joke, god is silly. ha ha. sweet.
If *the plan* is to repent just before death, as it is in the cartoon, why wouldn`t you "truly in your heart be interested in repenting".
Exactly what I was thinking.
You can die instantly (car crash, shot in the head, run over by truck, stroke, break neck in bike/motorbike fall, etc).
From the dialog, tt looks like the girl didn`t forgive, so she shouldn`t be there either. To forgive is almost like forgetting, but as humans we don`t have the capacity to forget on purpose. But God forgets, forgives, and gives us yet another chance.
Hell is full of people with good intentions. But faith without deeds is dead.
No if someone we`re just "uh, hey Jesus, I`m dyin and, uh, I`m sorry, so lemme in now." No it wouldn`t.
But this is one of the many reasons I`m agnostic.
That`s because that`s how we roll. 8-)
This is such a fracked up theology I do not even know where to start. Maybe at the Church, who created the idea of Confession to gain power over the royal families of Europe? Maybe at the fracked up book of Genesis, that blames women for the "Fall"? Maybe with the fact that the 2000 years of Catholicism have been the most bloody in the history of humankind, due mainly in part to the Church? Maybe at the fact that you have no idea what forgiveness and admission of guilt means, looking at your self-serving statement.
So that must mean that the female angel in that pic should go up and give him a big hug and say you`re forgiven, instead of saying "WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?". Yep, I can see that happening here on earth too.
And the rest, is history. And so was that, but meh, you get the idea. Also, history aside, this cartoon is right given that even in the bible itself there are the two thieves tacked up along JC, and one repents while dying on the cross as well. It`s right there, in writing, in the bible.