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    PreoSmo Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    Link: Switzerland: Lowest Rate of Crime Anywhere - And here`s why. Go ahead, call them pansies.
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    sugaman2k3 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 7:29 am
    awesome concept, why dosent it work as well here in America?
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    jkuroneko Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 7:41 am
    Because in America, short-sighted people prefer to demonize the guns themselves.
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    k-two Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 7:55 am
    Myth busted: Actually, the crime rate in Switzerland is about average in Europe. Others are doing far better, without guns at home. Check out the European Sourcebook of Crime and Criminal Justice Statistics on europeansourcebook.org.

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:00 am
    i believe all adults with the ability, should own a firearm. This is so they may protect their home, their family, or their country if need be.
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    Greven Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:04 am
    I am from Switzerland and the low rate crime is because of the culture/education not the military training or the weapon at home.

    And these people in the video are just weapon freaks. I am in obligation to train shooting once a year but the rest of the time my rifle is unused.

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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:07 am
    HaHa, Nice one k-two.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:11 am
    its because america is full of rednecks who would shoot their guns in every goddamn BBQ
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:12 am
    Why was this voiced by a 14 year old with a retainer?


    Also, this is why Germany never touched Switzerland.

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    Swisskid10 Male 13-17
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:31 am
    No Germany never touched Switzerland, because there plan was to get them after taking over Britain. Since that never happened taking over Switzerland never happened.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:33 am
    Guns make the weak strong. Make the crazy insane. Everybody would have a chance against a murderer without a gun.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:45 am
    @Quackor

    Ya rednecks legally owning guns and shooting them is the source of all crime sure............

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    Astheroid Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:53 am
    "Guns make the weak strong. Make the crazy insane. Everybody would have a chance against a murderer without a gun."

    You really sure about that?

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:02 am
    "the key to freedom is the ability to defend yourself"
    Amen brother!
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    jfunkhsr Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:07 am
    "Guns make the weak strong. Make the crazy insane. Everybody would have a chance against a murderer without a gun."

    Dumb.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:14 am
    Whatever. Guns suck no matter where you are or why you think you need them.
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    snottydyck Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:20 am
    everyone should own a gun! people need to be able to defend themselves.
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:33 am
    @snottydyck
    How far do you live from the border of the U.S.? I remember a sociology class in college where the professor told us the most violent cities in Canada were on the border of the U.S. The theory was they lived close enough to be able to watch U.S. television shows. Personally, I think it`s b.s., but thought it was an interesting theory.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:40 am
    ugaman2k3 "awesome concept, why dosent it work as well here in America?"

    It does work. Crime is lowest in states and cities with the fewest restrictions on gun ownership. Multiple-victim mass shootings ALWAYS occur in "gun-free zones."

    It`s all been documented in John Lott`s book, More Guns, Less Crime.

    Where do liberals get vaccinated to make them immune to facts?

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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:45 am
    WIN
    :D
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:51 am
    ProXlaw: You can see US tv shows everywhere in Canada, that`s like all we get, so I don`t think that`s the problem.
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    ProXLaw Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:01 am
    Thanks Boadicea. It`s nice to know our quality programming is reaching our neighbors to the North! You must feel lucky to be blessed with shows like "TMZ," "America`s Next Top Model," and "Gossip Girls."
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:03 am
    i think its too late for the US to adopt this type of policy, there`s too many people who want to voice themselves but don`t have the means to do it, giving them all guns will do just that... There will be skin heads going on racial killing sprees, Gangs using their new firepower to defeat rival gangs, and other political fanatics trying to prove a point will take the opportunity to do so. I believe its the large lack of education and and narrow-minded people thats stopping us from doing this... We have to educate the country more, before we start relying on ideas like this...
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:05 am
    facts are ignored in most parts of the world
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:14 am
    An armed society is a polite society. :)
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:18 am
    Government issued guns. Awesome.
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:20 am
    Somalia also has very little gun restrictions and a heavily armed populace -- why doesn`t it have a low crime rate you might ask? What it doesn`t have is widespread, poverty-fighting public programs like compulsory, government-run universal health care and social welfare assistance. All funded through a progressive income tax.

    Thank God for fact-immune liberals...

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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:28 am
    wold everyone please read mantistadors comment. now. if somebody wants a gun to kill people, they will get it. also, grevin.even if u dont use your rifle the fact that you have one and so does everybody else, makes criminals and the government rmbr that everyone is armed. and lastly k-two, its not really about the crime rate, its about the fact that i am a man and i am armed, my people will not accept a government it does not like and has the ability and the will to fight for it.


    READ MY COMMENT

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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:34 am
    Guns really don`t have anything to do with it. It`s all just culture and community. The effect of throwing guns into the mix depends on the people behind them and the mechanics of the culture. Switzerland does fine having guns everywhere because its a nice place to begin with. Whether they`re there or not just doesn`t matter.
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    Sigon Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:36 am
    Guns don`t kill people, Uneducated people kill people....A gun is an inanimate object, rarely (if ever) has a Gun ever killed someone that was not operated by a user...
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    420foy Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:43 am
    "the tools for that, are guns."
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:45 am
    vv You`re right Sigon. Gun`s don`t kill people. Bullets kill people. Guns just make the bullets go really really fast.
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    revdrdark Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:51 am
    The difference, between Somalia and Switzerland is that Der Schweiss have a strong centrilized government, democratic traditions, and, at base, they are well-organized and have planning. In Somalia there is chaos, and they are without a centralized government of any kind, so that`s not a fair comparison. They`ve got a great thing going there, and it apparently works.
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    feiku Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:53 am
    I`m a democratic/liberal and I believe gun restrictions are a horrible, horrible idea. When you restrict guns, the only people who will have them are the `bad guys` who will get them illegally. Safe? Don`t think so. Not all liberals/democrats believe in gun laws.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 11:10 am
    i am 100% pro gun ownership, that being said i think we need MORE gun safety classes and More gun education. this guy has said it perfectly and i commend him. he is what most gun owners i know are like, responsible, intelligent, aware gun users.

    people always say thatat the constitution provided the guns amendment during a "militia state" type scenario but get real a revloution could be upon us at any time, why do you feel so safe? do not left the government lull you into a false sense of security, as Americans we must be ready to defend our nation at all times.

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    xxlittleme Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 11:31 am
    I find that kind of funny and ironic, because Switzerland is one of the only neutral counties, and I`m not sure whether or not there`s others.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 11:33 am
    the u.s. would highly benefit from a non interventionist foreign policy. i am all for pulling out of every country we have bases on and keeping our troops at home.. defending our land not acting like the world police.
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    imyownpeople Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:10 pm
    oceanbeast I haven`t seen that said better.
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    imyownpeople Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    Reading all these comments about guns you`ll find that most of the ones who say guns are "violent, dumb, not needed etc" are from 18-29 year-olds who are not from middle America.
    Fact is that guns are the great disturber of the natural order. Anyone can get a gun and shoot it and kill another man without skill.
    With that having been said, guns are also the great equalizer. As said before, it takes no skill, so if someone were to pull a gun out on you but you have one as well it depends on who pulls the trigger first.
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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Guns are not the problem. The problem is our culture. Banning guns would not work in the United States. Neither would giving everyone a gun. Banning guns in the United States would lead to every law-abiding citizen to be unarmed. Every criminal on the other hand, would be that much more dangerous. Arming everyone on the other hand, would be an even worse idea.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:45 pm
    oceanblast: I agree with you, so don`t take this the wrong way. If I`m correct, the thought behind what you said is that the right to bear arms would easily contribute to a revolution, should one occur. However, the Constitution allows us to defend ourselves in the case of a revolution of that sort with the same right to bear our own arms.

    The real issue is the argument ignorant people make saying that the guaranteed right to bear arms can`t come with any responsibility on behalf of the people whatsoever because the Constitution doesn`t specifically say the government needs to be sure a person purchasing a gun is responsible.

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    tkpb9381 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    "The real issue is the argument ignorant people make saying that the guaranteed right to bear arms can`t come with any responsibility on behalf of the people whatsoever because the Constitution doesn`t specifically say the government needs to be sure a person purchasing a gun is responsible."

    This. This. This.

    Well said, sir.

    Everyone should have the right to own a gun, but only if they have been deemed responsible enough to do so.

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:53 pm
    Perfection beat me to it. The problem the US has with crime is that the people themselves are simply more inclined to commit crimes than those of Switzerland. Perhaps the Swiss have that figured out with their mandatory military training. I believe every Swiss male receives a conscription at about 19 years old and go through 18-21 days of basic training. The kind of discipline and patriotism taught through the military can probably not be taught anywhere else, and I believe if a system like that existed in the US, crime would be severely reduced. Of course, no congressman would even try to write a bill like that as they would immediately lose their job, so it can never be tested on a US population of any size.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    tkpb9381: Thank you. I worked hard on that sentence.
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:57 pm
    Put it this way, if you take away all the weapons on the planet, crime will still happen, just the stronger people will prevail, what then? Are they gonna outlaw working out?
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Huh, thought the standard rifle today was the .556 Sig. Israel does the same thing too! Imagine here in the US if you saw...oh, I dunno, what seems to be 6 gangbangers in 7-11 with M-16`s. Chances are the Popo would be called. In Israel, no difference lol.

    imyownpeople
    "Fact is that guns are the great disturber of the natural order. Anyone can get a gun and shoot it and kill another man without skill."
    Actually, there is one skill you do need, otherwise you can`t. It`s the urge to kill...actually, I take that back. Killing seems to be more of a crime of opportunity than premeditated.

    Oceanbeast
    "people always say thatat the constitution provided the guns amendment during a "militia state" type scenario but get real a revloution could be upon us at any time, why do you feel so safe? do not left the government lull you into a false sense of security, as Americans we must be ready to defend our nation at all times."

    I`m gonna hug you if I ever

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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    See you >.>
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    iambuzzed Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    At the end: "the key to freedom is the ability to be able to defend yourself". Wiser words have seldom been spoken....
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    If everyone owns a gun, no one would want to break in!
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    Plague555 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    Man a country needs to have serious balls to invade Switzerland lol. All their male citizens are trained in combat...
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    "Fact is that guns are the great disturber of the natural order. Anyone can get a gun and shoot it and kill another man without skill."

    A huge misconception and one no doubt supported greatly by Hollywood. That would be like saying anyone can get a car and drive it well without skill. Or saying anyone can play a video game and win without skill.

    With shooting with the intent to kill, defend or both there are huge factors at play like heart rate, adrenaline, focus, fear, coordination... just to name a few. There are many, many instances of people popping off all their rounds toward a human right in front of them and missing the opponent each and every time because they were not trained.

    Which is what this all boils down to. The people of Switzerland are trained and that is the difference. I am all for guns, but many of our citizens are way too soft to get the necessary training to own firearms. And many times these are the same people who are pro gun control. Sad really

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    Hey here`s a question I`m too lazy to google:

    To get a gun in America, is the only requirement to not have a criminal record? Oh wait no you need a license right, so does that involve taking a few classes or something?

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    redbozo23 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 2:56 pm
    Does anyone know about the suicide rate? I may be wrong but i would guess in a country where everyone had guns there would be more suicides. There have been times where i was REALLY depressed and glad i didn`t have a gun around the house. Sad but true.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    Hey here`s a question I`m too lazy to google:
    "To get a gun in America, is the only requirement to not have a criminal record? Oh wait no you need a license right, so does that involve taking a few classes or something?"


    No you do not need a license to get a firearm in most states. I hear that a lot and I don`t know where that idea comes from either. I think the general population equate firearms as something dangerous and extreme and so it "must" need some sort of license to get one. Vehicles are many times more technical and dangerous than firearms ever will be.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    Oh my god, well there`s the issue. It should be mandatory (and really there shouldn`t even be a basis to argue against this) for anybody wanting to own a firearm to complete SEVERAL (or just one INTENSIVE) class(es) before being granted one. And clearly the reason most people think you need a license to own a firearm is because you SHOULD. I can`t point my car at somebody in anger and kill them. Yes I could run them over, but obviously that happens less than murder. I can`t even believe that splurby, I can`t even believe that.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    Murder committed with a firearm, I should clarify, since running somebody over is also murder obviously.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 3:50 pm
    I`ve shot guns since I was 6 years old...my dad taught me most of what I know and gave me a good foundation in safety. Taking a class for me would be totally redundant.

    Here`s a story, one time when I was young (6-7) I was at the range with my dad. A guy came up to my dad and asked if I was his son. My dad replied "oh, is it bothering you that he is shooting from the storage tray (Below the shooting area)" and the guy says "no, I`m just so amazed at how safe he is"

    I keep a pistol next to my bed and an AR-15 in my closet (mostly because it is my favorite) and yet no one in my house has ever been shot...weird...

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 3:56 pm
    Ah yes your one story of your own subjective experience really DOES invalidate all other possibilities, you`re right. Thanks for opening my mind to your one experience in a country of millions, truly.
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    ola773 Female 13-17
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    December 8, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    lamp shades made out of human skin!?!?! O.O
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    logandaninja Male 13-17
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    December 8, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    guns=ftw peace=fail
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    An armed society is a polite society.
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    That`s it, I`m moving to Switzerland. Beautiful scenery, awesome snowboarding, great chocolate, and all the guns you want? Hell yeah.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    boadicea - you are obviously a misinformed and scared individual. you have an extremely anti-gun stance yet i can`t understand what it is you are trying to say? owning a gun at least in the south, is a way of life, for hunting, home security (yes if i hear a bump in the night i will shoot at it. AFTER acquiring and identifying my target), and its tradition it`s within our culture to own and learn about firearms. gun ownership protects our rights at the most basic of levels. and i think most Americans here that have spoken about gun ownership are speaking strictly about America. do in canada whatever you want, but don`t try to tell Americans what to do in America.
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    Dfaulted Male 13-17
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    December 8, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    @oceanbeast & boadicea
    I agree that you should understand the rules of firearms like my dad showed me me at the range and to own one you should go through the courses but theres nothing wrong with owning a gun if your informed and know about how it works and how dto use it properly
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don`t.
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    felena Female 13-17
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    "Ah yes your one story of your own subjective experience really DOES invalidate all other possibilities, you`re right. Thanks for opening my mind to your one experience in a country of millions, truly."

    Say whatever the hell you want about Canada. You don`t live in the U.S, so don`t go whining about how crappy we are. My 14-year-old sister is learning how to shoot with a Soft Air gun, and my mom is teaching her. What`s wrong with this? It`s not like she`s gonna go batpoo, take the real guns we have in the house, and go paint the streets crimson. She has every opportunity, as does everyone else in the family, but none of us take it. Just because you theoretically COULD do something doesn`t mean you will. You COULD take your car to the sidewalks, hit loads of people, and laugh when you need to turn on the windshield wipers. Will you? Probably not.

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    MechaWolf Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    Bah, infantry is nice and all, but how much air power and armor units can they call up? Infantry doesn`t mean much when you don`t have the air power or the tanks to support them.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:14 pm
    are you serious? infantry is still the backbone of any army. you need bodies to take the ground, planes can bomb something all day but until you have bodies taking a city you haven`t accomplished anything. all armies still use soldiers. sure tanks and airplanes are an incredible force to be reckoned with, but infantry can take the airports and the armories, try using your planes and tanks when they cant even leave the base.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm
    Boadicia, let me help you out. I understand you`re Canadian and, hence, you are unfamiliar with American History. I can suggest that you google that and really read up on it or obtain a copy of The Founder`s Second Amendment by Stephen Halbrook to further understand the following:

    2nd Amendment To The Constitution: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    First part, Militias at the time were composed of the people of the colonies and they had to take up their hunting rifles, pistols, etc against the British military.

    Second Part, Can`t have a Militia without the individuals who actually own the guns.

    With our National Guard (The States` Militias) Federalized, the state itself (comprised of it`s people) have the RIGHT (note: Not Privilege) to also own weaponry (i.e. arms...not specified) in order for self-defense and defense of the rights and freedoms of resp

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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    (completion from previous statement) respective states.

    By having that amendment written in to our Bill of Rights, the government was not giving us anything but guaranteeing that our "creator" (test tube, mother, deity, spark of accident) had endowed us with the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and that no one could alienate us from those rights.

    See, when you have the right to do something, you just do it. Whether or not you actually do it is solely up to you. Example: You go out and choose where you will go or what you will do. No one else gets to have a hand in it unless you deem it necessary.

    When something is a privilege, you have to ask. Example: You are licensed (i.e. you have to ask the permission of the government) to operate a motor vehicle.

    Our founding fathers fought a foreign country with guns...why should we let YOU decide which of US owns anything?

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    bravo genocyde
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    Before we laud the Swiss for their gun-ownership laws, we must first parade them as being Nazi collaborators in WWII.

    Sure, they were neutral. But *surprised face* where did all this impressionistic art come from, from 1939 to 1945?

    Switzerland is a European Tax Haven, akin to Belize for you Americans, founded on collaboration with Nazi imperialism. Switzerland should NOT be held up as a shining beacon of how to govern a country, gun laws or otherwise.

    At least the other countries in Europe had the cojones to pick a side, and fight for what they believed in.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    that is on such a ridiculous tangent its not even worth going into.

    apples and oranges.

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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:04 pm
    Davy, while I understand your position on the past of the Swiss, you must also understand that no one is immune from embarrassing chapters in History.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    did you miss the whole part about the guy getting emotionally moved at the sight of a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR? and how he never wants to see that happen again?!
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

    I never said "ooh none of you should own guns you`re all insane" douchebags. I SAID that classes on gun ownership should be mandatory to own a gun. I`m sure you all here are wonderful and all-knowing about guns, but some people are idiots. In fact many people are idiots, and while it`s great some of you are brought up with responsible and intelligent parents, many are not. So for the safety of everybody, *everybody* who owns a gun should need a license or permit/whatever else to do so. Again, how is that even arguable? "blah blah blah crap about the constitution" Whoopdee doo. Guess what? The gov. already tells you who can own a gun based on criminal records or whatever, so telling you "hey you should know some of these safety tips/whatever else before you take home a lethal weapon eh" is hardly infringing on your rights. But oh I guess you want the right to remain ignorant.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 10:53 pm
    (OR IF YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT ABOUT GUNS WHICH I`M SURE YOU ARE PERSONALLY NOT, THEN KEEPING OTHER IDIOTS WHO KNOW NOTHING ROAMING THE STREETS WITH TRIGGER HAPPY FINGERS)

    I am seriously astounded how the suggestion of education about the ownership of objects that are intended to cause harm and death is seen as offensive and somehow provocative. Get some perspective people.

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    Samsonite219 Male 18-29
    703 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 11:42 pm
    PANSIES
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 11:53 pm
    GUNS FER ERR`BODY!

    Wouldn`t it be great if everybody had a gun?

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    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    You`re dumb Boadicea.

    The people who kill with guns are people who don`t want their gun registered with a permit so that they don`t go to jail when they kill someone, and hunters.

    People with guns usually know the VERY minute "safety tips" that come with them.
    1. Don`t aim at a friend
    2. Safety ON
    3. Proper load/unload procedures

    There is not much to know. Trust me. If you know how to use a power drill, you can figure out a gun. The "safety" part is common sense.

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    ljdp Male 13-17
    28 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:15 am
    guns are for pussies, whatever happened to strongest man wins?
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
    650 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:30 am
    "guns are for pussies, whatever happened to strongest man wins?"

    Ever since the `strongest man` got his head blown off in the trenches

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    teph2112 Male 13-17
    650 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:32 am
    "Bah, infantry is nice and all, but how much air power and armor units can they call up? Infantry doesn`t mean much when you don`t have the air power or the tanks to support them."

    That`s what you guys thought in Vietnam. You lost.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:09 am
    @Boadicea

    In the state of MA your require to fill out loads of paper work and take an 8 hr class to own a gun. Along with a bunch of other oppressive laws depending on the county and then the chief of police can determine what kind of license to give you depending on his mood(I don`t agree with that). In fact in Worcester you have to get 2 letters of recommendation from bussiness owners too(I also think thats stupid).This state has also put sever restrictions on pistols to meet what they call "saftey standards" some like a drop test to make sure a gun won`t go off if dropped( I agree with) and also requiring other things like a loaded indicater(I don`t agree with). In reality what they did was give S&W most of this states pistol sales because when it was enacted S&W pistols were the only few to meet requirements which other have eventually been approved.(sounds like a law maker here got his pockets lined) So yes we do have firearm requirements but not Federal it`s s

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:19 am
    @ljdp="guns are for pussies, whatever happened to strongest man wins?"
    Well you see one day a caveman had a thought and made a club then a spear then a bow and arrow and so on. So logic happened Ljdp logic try using that thing called a brain it`s alot more powerful than any muscle.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 8:23 am
    Hey look Switzerland has rednecks too.
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    Gluggr Male 18-29
    422 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:31 am
    Greetings from Switzerland ;) Havn`t got a gun though, because I didn`t do military service.
  88. Profile photo of Wildcats2008
    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 11:23 am
    Even if future criminals did want to buy a gun legally, my 1st grade niece could pass the class (i.e. go read my story about learning to shoot at 6).

    Just because a guy takes a class about safety doesn`t ensure he is going to be safe. Just like in high school, when you went to chemistry class and took a test. It didn`t make you a chemist.

    (Most) Anyone can take a class and pass a test. But if someone is going to go on a shooting rampage they`re going to do it no matter what class and license you try to put in their way. They`ll either get the gun from a friend or take a stupid simple class and buy the gun legally.

    Thumbs up to the guy who mentioned the "may issue" licensing problems. Those are BS, either issue or don`t.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 11:38 am
    Just because you own a driver`s license, doesn`t mean you won`t run down people in a parking lot. That means nothing. To the guy in MA: well good then, some states have some brains I suppose. Criminals are not the only people who kill people, and I`m sick of you gun fanatics always saying that. No high school kid who ever killed themselves or their classmates was a criminal with an illegal gun. But maybe if their parents had some common sense (or some sense DRILLED INTO THEM in a basic class of some sort), the guns they used wouldn`t have been so handy and accessible. Your own assertions that you have common sense don`t mean everybody does, and as soon as everybody realizes that, the world will be a better place. God.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    VV If a some wants to go on a killing spree they`ll find a way for example you can make all sorts of nasty explosives with gasoline and other household chemicals.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    Okay, so you want the government to make a law that makes me pay for something I don`t want or need? hmmm...oh the government will pay for it? With what? My taxes..again I`m paying for something I don`t want or need...

    Sounds like something else they`re trying to create.

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    Abacab2112 Male 18-29
    433 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:44 pm
    Gun control FTL.

    I`m liking Switzerland more and more every day. They are the only country shrinking their national debt!

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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:06 pm
    Baodicea, broad generalization and melodrama won`t make you right.

    Maybe you feel as though all should jump through hoops to exercise what is a basic right that will be exercised with or without the permission of you or anyone else but it simply will not happen.

    I understand that it just makes you boil over but it doesn`t change anything. Your dismissal of those facts is telling enough.

  94. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:18 pm
    "guns are for pussies, whatever happened to strongest man wins?"

    Wins? Wins what? When did combat become a sport?

    Sounds like you should try your hand at going into the military or law enforcement with that type of mindset. You`ll figure it out.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 9:29 am
    I didn`t dismiss any facts you self-righteous turdbag. Learn to read.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    "I am seriously astounded how the suggestion of education about the ownership of objects that are intended to cause harm and death is seen as offensive and somehow provocative. Get some perspective people."

    Well, my perspective is that while guns are capable of "harm" amd "death", they are most effective at preventing both of those things. We are all very good at taking note when someone uses a gun to harm an unarmed person, but at the same time should`nt we be giving credit to all the circumstances when a person does not get attacked because he has a firearm? Well, I suppose it would be much easier if people dialed 911 to report an instance of that, but we know that can`t happen.

    But I`ll tell you what. I support your mandatory firearm license... but if we all agree and do that, our only stipulation is that gun control fanatics can never challenge us or the 2nd amendment again. Agreed?

  97. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    Boadicea, you have shown that you`re incapable of actually engaging in any form of discussion and with your ad hominem accompaniment, I see that the only thing that matters to you is being right. I`ve read more of your statements than I care to.

    Let`s just say that you`re actually successful in getting those who wish to own guns to actually jump through your hoops. You`ll find very very few of them actually will.

    I was born with my right to self-defense/gun ownership. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I`m sure you`ll deal with it.

  98. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 8:31 pm
    "Well, I suppose it would be much easier if people dialed 911 to report an instance of that, but we know that can`t happen."

    Splurby, if you actually ask people why they`d dial 911, you`ll find a couple of things that are very apparent.

    1. "Because the cops have guns" You`ll never hear that they have mace, tazers, batons, handcuffs or badges...it`s always guns.

    2. Those that offer the aforementioned answer don`t own guns because they don`t want the responsibility. It`s a series of buck passing that continues.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    December 11, 2009 at 12:21 am
    guns for all responsible informed Americans because we know that when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns.

    :0)

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 11, 2009 at 8:27 am
    "I support your mandatory firearm license... but if we all agree and do that, our only stipulation is that gun control fanatics can never challenge us or the 2nd amendment again. Agreed?"

    Haha well since both of these are in the realm of `will never happen`, sure! Agreed.

    And Genocyde, you`re just as annoying and delusionally self-assured, so let`s all just move along.

  101. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 12, 2009 at 9:57 pm
    Boadicea, you`re only concerned with being right and that`s all that obviously matters to you. Continue your ignorance in Canada because if you think I`m annoying now, I`ll be a living nightmare to you if you ever decide to infect the states with your brand of ignorance.
  102. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    What does that even mean? If I go to the US, you`re going to what-- shoot me? Go for it. I may be obsessed with being right, but at least I don`t issue pathetic threats over inane arguments on the internet.

    kthxbai.

  103. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    Boadicea, you claim I need to read and you have to ask what I mean when I type it in plain English?

    Breaks down like this: For an atheist, you sure do believe in fairy tales more so than I. See, you like to believe that if the government gets to decide who owns guns and who doesn`t, that no more school killings and robberies and all that wonderful nonsense will happen. I suppose that Canada`s stringent anti-gun propaganda might have taught you that.

    Truth is, you`re an insufferable know-it-all who has never encountered actual criminals. Coming from a law enforcement background, I know better than you that criminals don`t shop at the local gun shops but they tend to find those Roving Van Deals in back alleys.

    But you seem to believe that anyone who disagrees with you doesn`t have a brain. Okay. What you think vs. what I know...worlds of difference there.

    Have a nice day.

  104. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    One more thing. The only thing that`s inane is the fact that you`ll simply dismiss facts and ridicule anyone who disagrees with you rather than discussing it. You`re irresponsible and, worst of all, a loud-mouthed braggart who assumes far too much.

    Do yourself a favor, if you want to come to America, that`s fine by me but you`re going to deal with people owning guns whether you like it or not. If that`s not an option, stay in Canada.

  105. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    Whoa, holy projecting Batman. Where did atheism even come into this, and what does that have to do with my beliefs about the government. Wow.
    And again, you still need to learn to read, as I already said I DON`T CARE WHERE CRIMINALS GET THEIR GUNS.

    *I`m* the insufferable know-it-all? Really? You`re the one getting worked up over nothing. Over, yes, an inane argument on the internet. And by saying that the first time, I was including all members of the argument, so yes even myself, recognizing the ridiculousness of this. Yet you can`t let it go, and need to resort to crazy, over-the-top personal attacks.

    You`re the one ridiculing those who disagree with you, so yet again, you`re just as bad as me, and by this point, you`ve proven to be worse.

    I`m tired of you now.

  106. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    "I didn`t dismiss any facts you self-righteous turdbag. Learn to read."

    "And Genocyde, you`re just as annoying and delusionally self-assured"

    "I DON`T CARE WHERE CRIMINALS GET THEIR GUNS."

    Your words here. So where insults fail, you rely on bait and switch.

    Then, you continue to display your own ignorance by flat out saying that those who haven`t committed a crime should be punished for what criminals have done?

    You`re right...projection indeed.

  107. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    "Then, you continue to display your own ignorance by flat out saying that those who haven`t committed a crime should be punished for what criminals have done?"

    I`m sorry, I think you`ve been having a different conversation with somebody else. Because in the conversation (inane argument..) I`ve been in, nowhere has it been said that people should be punished for the actions of criminals. Oh, I guess you equate safety education with punishment, of course, that seems to be the issue here.

    But you know what, I don`t care anymore. You`ve already decided that I`m an idiot and clearly know nothing (I`ve certainly never met any criminals!! You said so!) about anything.

  108. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    I am a loud mouth braggart and I assume far too much.

    I am ignorant. I dismiss facts and am irresponsible.

    I am an insufferable know-it-all.

    I am going to deal with people owning guns whether I like it or not.

    I believe in fairytales more than you do.

    I have been brainwashed by Canada`s anti-gun propaganda (not that America equally has pro-gun propaganda, no not at all, because something you agree with is not propaganda, and something you don`t clearly is)

    You know better than I do.

    I am incapable of engaging in any form of discussion.

    Broad generalization and melodrama won`t make me right.

    My dismissal of facts is telling.

    You will be a living nightmare to me if I ever infect the states with my brand of ignorance.

    I dismiss facts and ridicule those that disagree with me.

    I rely on bait-and-switch.

    I will remain ignorant in Canada.

    My name is Joe and I am Canadian.

    Thank you.

    Hey man you`re all right we should do lunch.

  109. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    You keep saying you`re done with me, you`re bored with me but you keep coming back.
  110. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 13, 2009 at 11:11 pm
    "not that America equally has pro-gun propaganda, no not at all, because something you agree with is not propaganda, and something you don`t clearly is"

    The Constitution`s Second Amendment says nothing about any citizen of this nation having to own a gun. It`s simply a guarantee of the freedom (choice, if you will) to own any type of weapon in order to defend our gifts of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness from any threat. My neighbor next door doesn`t own guns, doesn`t like them and prefers bladed objects. Guess what? Clearly his right. I prefer blades as a backup but I have family members that refuse to own any type of weaponry. Completely their right as well.

    The point is, regardless of what you might think, I don`t give up any right based on some weak argument that I should have "nothing to hide." Our recent Supreme Court Decision in the Heller case supports that. Not propaganda, just fact.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 14, 2009 at 11:11 am
    Oh okay.
  112. Profile photo of oceanbeast
    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    December 15, 2009 at 7:05 pm
    genocyde, i know its frustrating to get these kinds of people (yeah im generalizing, and there are a lot of you on this site) so just don`t bother with them. i know where you are coming from just be happy with the fact that our nation guaranteed us these rights because a few men with much more foresight than bodeacia(whatever that is) will ever have. guns are for protecting self, family, and country.
  113. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    OceanBeast, it`s not really all that frustrating. Fact is, there are going to be people that are underinformed, misinformed, disinformed, and willfully ignorant of the facts. I`ve just come to expect that. The only problem is that ignoring these people as the Douglas Adams equivalent of "Mostly Harmless" was the mistake that this country has made in the past and it`s a mistake that I`ve already ensured will never be repeated with me.

    My father was a Marine who swore an oath to protect and defend our constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I never joined the military but the way I see it, you really don`t have to in order to stand by something like that.

    My own stance on the matter is that I won`t just freely give up my guns, nor will I give up my right to own, carry and bear them.

    Now, if someone were to catch all the bullets I fire at them without getting hurt or killed...then and only then. Far as I`m concerned, that person just became my new bodygu

  114. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 17, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    (continued) bodyguard because they`re one bad motor scooter that I don`t want getting sideways at me. Hell, they can even name their price and I`ll happily pay it.

    Since I can`t find a taker for that audition...

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 18, 2009 at 10:40 am

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    December 21, 2009 at 12:06 am
    boadicea - did you have to stoop as low as that? a caricature? look up "straw man"
  117. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 21, 2009 at 8:56 am
    OB, I think we see Boadicea`s basis for any logical argument just disappeared faster than a pack of Marlboros at an AA Meeting.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 21, 2009 at 9:06 am
    Ah okay, humour=bad, got it. Sorry for trying to lighten the mood guys.
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    December 21, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Yay!

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