Question US Healthcare? I Guess I`m A Racist [Vid]

Submitted by: pmarren 7 years ago in

Don"t agree with President Obama"s health care plan? Fine... but you"re a racist.
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Male 2
Otto3663, To view politics in a political party in general is stupid. Everyone one has their own idea`s and it is about compromising and getting the most people content as possible. What happens when you place people in groups? Take a look at cliques in high school or football fans, even patriotism with every major country. Anyways I will sum it up; It takes away from free thinking and individuality. Therefor, ALL political groups are stupid.
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Male 29
Democrats are idiots and liars - they will say or do anything to keep facts out of a conversation
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Female 519
This was the most stupid video in the history of stupid videos... No people you aren`t racist, your just stupid...
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Male 312
Hes not black shut up.
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Male 218
this was stupid...
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Male 2,510
Take your arguments to the Bilderberg Group. Those are the people who are truly ruling the world.
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Male 474
Really, in all honesty people don`t like to hear that "if we just cut the defense spending we could make anything work" but it`s the truth. the army military is supposed to be for the defense of this country. that is not the current position our military holds. we have a military presence in over half the countries of the world. When you hear people shout about the american empire, this is what they are screaming about. When i say bring the troops home, i mean from every OTHER country in the world, not JUST iraq. 66% of our annual budget (and more since we seem to have to keep borrowing money) goes to military spending. That is WAY too much. We are not in danger from any nation in the form of an invasion. Terrorism is not a land war, it`s a cat and mouse game, only the mouse has explosives strapped to his chest. If we cut HALF the defense spending, and removed ourselves from HALF the nations in this world, the government could afford healthcare for everyone.
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Male 474
"Oh, and we`re not a socialist country. I enjoy my public healthcare. Seems your government taxes you more than mine, while providing less."

No, we have military bases in 133 countries all the while refusing military presence in our own... That`s why we need taxes... Don`t you see? Haven`t you ever played risk? you have to put a military presence on every territory in order to gain world domina... i mean peace...

So what if 66% of our tax money goes to military spending, that`s ok, one day america will control every other government in the world and then we wont have to pay those taxes anymore...

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Male 474
And yes, Juggalotus is full of pooe. The hospitals around here will take you if you don`t have insurance, but if you can`t pay the bill in full when you leave the hospital they feck your credit score up and call collections agencies who will begin calling your house within the week. Happened with my wife and i, the insurance decided not to pay for the epidural because they claimed it wasn`t necessary... My wife`s credit is now fecked because we couldn`t pay the 4.5k for a fecking shot in the back...
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Male 2
(cont.)and give them to someone else(welfare).Gunpoint charity is no better than swordpoint conversions both are morally wrong. Taking something by force of gov`t is theft,theft by proxy,yes but theft nonetheless.
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Male 2
Okay,for the person who said that Russia and China were successful gov`ts please remember that they killed TENS of MILLIONS of their own people,I dont want to be under the power of a gov`t that`s successful in that sense.
Now to all of you who say Communism/Socialism aren`t all that bad,yes they are.
Firstly,the concept of "From each according to his ability,to each according to his need" is a flawed way of thinking.Why should anyone excel when the gov`t is going to take all that his abilities produce except for what he needs (and who determines his "needs" anyways? A beuracrat who has no idea what his specific needs are and likely doesn`t care?)?Please,don`t answer with some vague "He should do it for the good of society/a sense of satisfaction BS.That`s not even a valid argument.If a man puts in the effort/capital to see something new developed he deserves a reward when it pays off.Also its extremely evil for the gov`t to take someone`s wealth(taxes)an
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Male 2,703
RAWR!!!!

summation: blacks are more racist than whites.

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Male 2,703
"alot of white ppl have deep rooted racism that they dont wanna be honest and admit it. many of them amongst thier white counterparts make racist jokes and gestures and are confused when it makes us uncomfortable..."

hmmm, someone is again only looking at one side of the coin. I make racist jokes, I make racist jokes about whites as well, its all in good fun, much like my blonde jokes or school rival jokes. how many white comedian shows do you go to and they talk about how the black man keeps them down, etc etc etc. how many black comedians (hispanics do it too) use their race to boost their ratings. one of the few I know that doesn`t is Bill Cosby, he didn`t have to be racist towards whites or blacks to get laughs in the `80s, though thats all people want no-a-days.

also, how often do you hear "cracker/corn flake/vanilla" sung about in rock/pop/"white music", how many times do you hear the N word in "black" music?

summation - blacks ar

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Female 169
alot of white ppl have deep rooted racism that they dont wanna be honest and admit it. many of them amongst thier white counterparts make racist jokes and gestures and are confused when it makes us uncomfortable...
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Male 203
The_Maddog

For a start it helps defines WHY (for example) the person was attacked to start with!
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Understandably, it has everything to do with the litigation process, but, when it boils down to the root, a crime is nothing more than a crime. Labeling any crime by its motive devalues the same crimes that came before and after it. If I were to walk into a public place and shoot every soul in there, I should get as much time as if I were to shoot the same number of black people in that place. (seeing as how I`m white). Does this not make any sense?

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Male 194
@uunnfair_4ol
im not white [email protected]
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Male 38
Blacks are the most racist people I know of... and it`s completely acceptable for them to be.
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Male 1,629
this is an odd film b/c its common knowledge that only white people can be called racist and have it stick
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Female 99
If you look at someone the wrong way these days, they`ll blow up at you and start calling you a racist lol
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Male 198
What! they`re changing something that hasn`t been working for years to something else!?!?
I guess I`m racist...
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Female 36
@CrakrJak:

Where are you getting these figures from? I can`t be remotely arsed to even do the basic research to debunk your other figures, but:

Income Tax

Basic Rate: 20% (£0-£37,400)
Higher Rate: 40% (Over £37,400)

Median gross annual earnings: £20,801

All figures for 2009.

Oh, and we`re not a socialist country. I enjoy my public healthcare. Seems your government taxes you more than mine, while providing less.

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Female 1,963
Wow that was bad. That was the worst argument for anyone to do anything since the history of arguments.
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Male 21
Ahah, I love how people, when they run out of argument, dishonestly change their opponent statements.
Even if it again all understanding of basic logic rules.

Saying that some people are against Obama`s plan because they are racist is one thing. Changing it in "All people against Obama plan are racist" is so ill faith.

Some people won`t swim today because they don`t know how to. So I guess if I don`t swim today it means I don`t know how to swim... You have to be mentally sick to do such reasoning.

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Male 25,416
tis fd up!
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Female 1,283
...This has gone out of hand lol.
Ok, to put this simply. Universal Healthcare will be government regulated. The senate takes bribes from drug industry lobbyists.
Just more profit for them.
*shrugs* Oh well, have fun with more taxes lol.
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Male 172
2k people rated this video 2..
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Male 3,369
Gorodetsky

Motive has no bearing in the judicial system.
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Wait..what? Do you know anything about how the legal system works? Motive has EVERYTHING to do with the crime! It`s what defines exactly what the crime was to start with!
For a start it helps defines WHY (for example) the person was attacked to start with!

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Male 600
As Russel Peters said,
we have white people so scared of being racist...
but they will never be as racist as us (non-white people)
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Male 955
I`m sure there`s some people that would oppose anything Obama supports based on the fact that he`s black. And I`m also pretty sure there`s plenty of people that oppose it because they don`t agree with it either. Neither of the points are mutually exclusive.
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Male 203
ok.... B-b-beccah.... First of all, hate crimes don`t exist. If 2 white people get hit in the head with a bat, one by a black guy, and one by a white guy, they should both get the same sentence. A crime is a crime. Motive has no bearing in the judicial system.
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Male 83
"how would you like it if in school/SAT/etc, minorities automatically get 20%?"

I wouldn`t mind it :D

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Male 4,807
They`re not racist, they`re just really bad actors!
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Male 42
`Then, apparently, a lot of people in this country are racist!`
I fail to see how this fact helps their argument.
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Male 116
This looks more like an ad for racism, than an ad against Obama`s health care plan.
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Female 668
also....
"Everyone`s a little bit racist
Sometimes!
Doesn`t mean we go
Around committing hate crimes!
Look around and you will find
No one`s really color blind.
Maybe it`s a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race!"

ten points for who gets this first!

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Female 668
man that word just stoped making sense all through this video...
And come on now my fellow Canadians, yes our healthcare is better than certian other countries, but do we really need to keep putting it up on this golden pedestal? We still have a lot of improvements to make...
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Male 4,431
I love all the white people they got (and the one black man) to realize that they *are* a bunch of racist bastards. Progress! If only.

Of course, they don`t realize the issue is about race and class because they`re all priveledged, white, upper-middle class asshats who haven`t ever bothered to take a lot outside of their own communities. They don`t see things outside of their "real America" and can`t imagine that we have actually created a class system here in this country that is nearly impossible to escape without help, education and change. Because it`s never touched them. Rock on, idiots. Keep calling yourself racist. Maybe one day you`ll get it?

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Male 1,439
I guess I`m a rapist.
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Male 322
I’m not saying this is the answer but something has to be done. I worked for an health ins provider and after 1 month on the job I was told I had to deny 10% of all the claims that I did. I had to search and find something to deny these people..sorry I no longer work there because it makes me sick what these co. do to us. I know the inside at people need to wake up. maybe not to this extent but something has to be done.
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Male 310
AHAHAHA! Your healthcare system is fubar!
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Male 792
Hmm...that`s funny. Canada manages to get away with universal health care at and a tax rate of 29% in the top bracket.

How do they do it? In Ontario, the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) is paid for by the corporations. Medication, unfortunately isn`t covered, but that`s what the insurance companies pay for.

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Male 120
CrakrJak: "Socialism and communism are even more "unfair""

The main difference between capitalism and socialism is that in capitalism person A exploits person B. In socialism it`s precisely other way around.

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Male 19
Lol. Our country is screwed.
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Male 17,511
"Capitalism creates classes--it MAKES things unequal and generally unfair."

Socialism and communism are even more "unfair" The inventor of tetris got basically nothing for HIS invention, Because he lived in the soviet union. How fair is that ?

Socialist countries have tax rates of 40% or more.
Sweden 54%, Belgium 50%, Britain 50%, Germany 45%, China 45%, Italy 42%, France 40%

Americans taxes are increasing, In 2004 the top tax rate was 31%, Next year it`s rising to 35%.

Your pipe dream of a classless system has never and will never exist. Because you can not eliminate greed. The question then becomes, What is worse.. Socialist greed or Capitalist greed ?
At least with capitalism there is competition, Socialism offers oligarchy and government run monopoly which are not competitive at all.

The answer is government regulated capitalism. It`s the fairest system yet devised.

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Male 2,238
"everyone is racist to some extent."

No they`re not. Everyone may be a bit racially prejudiced, but not everyone is racist.

Racial Prejudice =/= Racism.

You can be prejudiced without being racist.

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Male 167
everyone is racist to some extent.
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Male 2,309
So someone is trying to apply evolution [which involves replication, variation, and selection] to why people are in their particular social standing? If that were the case then a lot of poor people would be richer, and our president would almost always come from the middle class or lower--because our genetic diversity is pathetic. We came from one common female--and that proves we are from a bottlenecked population.
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Male 2,703
"You think for nanosecond that people like Dick Cheney got wealthy (not rich, wealthy) by doing back breaking labor?"

in my experience, everyone needs to do menial labor, I don`t care how rich they are or will be. I have worked many of crappy jobs paying as little as $2.15/hr (waiter) to office work doing an accountants job, making <20% what he does (got paid $7.50/hr and thought I was doing good...). I worked my ass off, people saw that and when opportunity came about, I moved up to a better job. hard work might not necessarily mean more money, but it does mean steady money. they aren`t going to fire someone who is productive if they don`t have to. steady work = more exposure = raises.

you also need to know when to cut and run, like you. if something doesn`t look like it`ll pan out, you need to have the know how to turn it loose and find something else.

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Male 2,703
"well i know for a FACT that if you apply to be a mail man, a black man will automaticaly get 50 extra points on their exam that they have to take just for being black, so you can`t say that white men get everything for free or any easier then anyone else, that being said, yes there are some things that white people get more than a black man would, but in alot of things a white man would be a better provider of the work needed"

this exactly. Affirmative action started in the `60s, when minority races needed the boost. its now the 2000`s almost 2010`s, 50 years later, and nothing has changed in the policy although the world, as far as race goes, has changed vastly...cont

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Male 2,703
you say its a "white" world, but have you worked in this world? the company I work for, its office work, and let me tell you, more than 50% of my co-workers are black females, thats 50% that are a combination of white male/female, asian male/female, hispanic male/female, and black male. of those remaining 50%, 20-25% are hispanics. I work with more than 1000 people in the same building, thats a messed up demographic. race is a limiting factor in jobs, but because blacks have it to their advantage, they use race as a benefactor.

much like the mail man incident, our approval rating is a scale from .7-1.3 (don`t ask me...), being minority they automatically get a .1 boost in their score. so a mediocre worker getting a .9 gets to 1.0 which is closer to being an overachiever. btw, these affect your bonus/raises.

how would you like it if in school/SAT/etc, minorities automatically get 20%?

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Male 372
KX250F thats because your in the 13-17 range and i`m guessing have never had a real job yet.
Many of the "illegals pulling apple bins around" are actually seasonal workers, aka legal.

And farm labor is damned hard.

Regardless i hope you end up getting the 2 dollar an hour dream job you desperately wish for... at least for a time so you can see what its really like working like a dog in a crap job to make somebody else a ton of money.

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Male 264
"Illegals don`t even get paid minimum wage. Would YOU haul bins of apples around all day for $2/hr?"

Yes, yes I would.

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Male 474
"Not always. I can go downtown and see tons of (most likely illegal, lol) immigrants sit on tractors all day hauling bins of apples around. Not a lot of hard labor going on there."

Illegals don`t even get paid minimum wage. Would YOU haul bins of apples around all day for $2/hr?

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Male 474
And yes, Juggalotus is full of pooe. The hospitals around here will take you if you don`t have insurance, but if you can`t pay the bill in full when you leave the hospital they feck your credit score up and call collections agencies who will begin calling your house within the week. Happened with my wife and i, the insurance decided not to pay for the epidural because they claimed it wasn`t necessary... My wife`s credit is now fecked because we couldn`t pay the 4.5k for a fecking shot in the back...
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Male 264
"lowest paying jobs are the hardest working jobs these douchebags wouldn`t know anything about."

Not always. I can go downtown and see tons of (most likely illegal, lol) immigrants sit on tractors all day hauling bins of apples around. Not a lot of hard labor going on there.

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Male 762
Complacent much?
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Male 474
I know first hand the "hard work does not equal more money". I started my working life off in restaurants, then moved to factory work, then i decided i had enough, went to college, got a degree, and now i make 50k a year talking to people on the phone who work general factory labor who make 25K a year. It`s not about working hard, it`s being able to recognize an opportunity and running with it...
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Male 474
It`s not that America is "Classist" it`s that we are fecking greedy. The people who shout "they didn`t work hard enough" know nothing about hard work. The lowest paying jobs are the hardest working jobs these douchebags wouldn`t know anything about. You think for nanosecond that people like Dick Cheney got wealthy (not rich, wealthy) by doing back breaking labor? You`re less educated than i thought. No, most the wealth in this nation comes from 2 places, crime and inheritance, maybe even a little of both. Fact is, the real money makers in this nation ARE the fattest, laziest people in this nation. You think Fat Limbaugh ever worked a hard days labor in his life? HA! Blabbing into a microphone is FAR from hard work. Look at today`s youth, they think the only way to get rich is to get on TV, Silver Screen, or Radio, because rich people don`t work. They hire poor people to do that for them...
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Male 1,746
juggalotus, which hospital is this and what doctor is this? If this is true, everyone should be told, b/c over here at Kaiser, Hoag Hospital, and the county clinic, the only way you`re seeing a doctor without medical insurance is if you enter through the emergency room. Many of my family members and friends are doctors, and their hospital would never let them get away with that!
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Male 474
The fact of the matter is this. The reason they are calling people racists is because those people that started the whole "He`s a Socialist" craze ARE racists. It`s the like of Rush Limbaugh, Bill Oreilly, and Glen Beck that scream this over the airwaves who ARE racists that are the cause of all this. When Rush vomits on the are and says socialism, its because he is using it as a racially derogatory term. If you listen to the context of that rant, it boils down to this equation. "Im an ignorant fool who thinks most black people are on welfare. Welfare is a social service paid for by tax dollars. Therefore welfare is socialism. Since Obama is black, and black people are socialists, that makes obama a socialist." Basically, Socialism = Tax paid Social Services = Welfare = N***ers... It doesn`t take a genius to listen to him speak and know what hes really saying when he says "Obama`s gonna take money from the working people of America and give it to the poor lazy
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Male 18
najamesk1

That is such drating bullpoo. I have been to the hospital several times and none of them have they asked me all of that before they saw me. Also once they saw me they asked if I could afford it and I said no and they got me on a medical plan to pay for it for me.

We already have paid healthcare, but only for the people who actually need it. The people who have money can pay for their own healthcare.

Also my doctor won;t even take insuance. No matter what you go in for he only charges $60 and he gives you a minimum of one hour of his time.

So all this healthcare poo is stupid as drat we already have good health care. I do not need any one making me get insurance. If they do then I am screwed because I cannot aford any more bills at the moment.

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Male 474
Sigh, it`s sad that i have to yell at a fellow airsoft player, but lookit. It isn`t evolution. In fact if you knew anything about evolution you would know it`s not even part of the same discussion. But here`s what this really means. If i have to pay money to get antibiotics for an upper respitory infection so it doesn`t turn into pneumonia and kill me, then what you are saying is that americans have the right to say what they want, own any gun they want, but don`t get the right to live. Health is life. Period. Without health you don`t have life. And it amazes me that the most of the people who are frothing at the mouth over healthcare are the same people who froth at the mouth about protecting unborn children. Saying they have the right to life, but those that have been born have to pay to live. That`s counter intuitive. And another thing, this country HAD socialized healthcare before Nixon came along. That was 40 years ago...
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Male 372
Being poor isnt part of evolution you moron, it`s an economic reality created by a flawed system. Its not a genetic factor that can be weeded out by natural selection. And the only reason you`re okay with the status-quo is because you were born into a position with monetary stability.

Seriously everyone spouting this poor people are lazy crap...its just outlandish. What century are you from, seriously? Read a freaking book, go to school, get a freaking clue.

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Male 1,089
im not exactly going to jump into this. and if your poor, you get sick, and you die. thats called evolution. the people who work hard to buy healthcare get healthcare. plain and simple gentlemen.

oh and if racism does exist it isn`t prevalent. our world is so fake and softened up its unbelievable. am i supposed to allow that black kid in the hall call me a cracker? i think not. so when i say "shut up ni_gger" i get sent to the deans office.

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Male 194
I support health care reform. every other major country in the world does it. and it works very well. but america, its the only place a sick man goes to the hospital, and the doctors ask you for your insurance, proof of employment, Your race, income, and power of attorney; before they ask you how you feel.
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Male 335
What`s funny is a lot of people in this country ARE racist, and thus hate Obama and anything he does. Everyone always says he hasn`t done anything...well, that`s because the white bigots won`t let him. As for the healthcare debate, why is it exactly that no one wants poor people to have free health care? Because they`re poor? Cause then that would mean you`re classist as well. Not a good combo.
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Male 563
Shoot, I only used two exclamation points when I called my senator.
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Male 12,138
Look, Obama is promoting Socialised Capitalism in respect to Health Care. That’s how sh*t is run in places like France, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, the UK, Ireland, Sweden, the Gulf States, Australasia, to name but just a few. And it’s working fine there. Best Healthcare in the world, according to the World Health Organisation. I won’t hurl insults or link to random websites, but I assure you, these countries are all better places to live in than the US, having lived in a few of them in my time.

America, I’m reaching out to you, because I love America. Every European kid grew up with the A-Team, Knight Rider, Baywatch, and we loved it so. Please don’t let my hero die on me. Cause right now, my Hero is being a bit of a dick.

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Male 12,138
It’s this idea that people who are not as economically well off as me, don’t deserve it, f*ck them. They didn’t work hard enough. I hear this kind of retarded horsewank all the time, usually from kids from the ‘burbs with a meaty trust fund and an xbox live account paid for by daddy. It’s abhorrent in the extreme.

There are many factors which input a person’s economic class, including race, gender, age, qualifications, your parent’s jobs, the town you grew up in which empowered you to reach those qualifications, whether there was a good school in you town etc, et f*cking cetera.

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Male 12,138
On Fascism (which is just after all conservatism shifted a bit more to the right), it’s traditionally been secularism and discrimination focused on one part of society. I would argue that there is a new kind of Fascism going on in Middle America and from posters right here on IAB, which makes me feel a bit sick. Not the kind of traditional hatred, which has been against people of different religion, race, gender, we’ve seen all of those, and they were all ugly. Sectarianism, Racism, Sexism were the terms we used, and cried foul, cause now we know better, right? Wrong. There’s a new kind of right-wing fascism going on right now in America, and it’s not sectarian, or racist, or sexist. It’s economic classist.
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Male 12,138
I preface this by saying that I love America, and love my American friends, of which I have many. They are among the brightest people I know. I have no beef here. On to my point:

I hear a lot if sh*t being talked here about “f*ck the poor, that’s their own fault!”. There are two end-points on the political spectrum. One is Communism, the other is Fascism. Far Left and Far Right.

Communism is wank and doesn’t work (first sensible thing Pooptart has said all day), so let’s discard that for now. Alternatively, Fascism is f*cking evil, some crazy guys in Europe even had a war over it a few years back. The correct answer, as anyone who has a modicum of education will tell you, is somewhere between the two extremes.

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Female 5
It`s not that you question healthcare, it`s that you screech "Socalism!" instead of making real arguments and trying to get your concerns across in a logical way, not to mention the fact many of you are delluded enough to think there`s nothing wrong with our current system. And it`s no0t htat you`re a racist, it`s that you`re a douchebag. People have a right to argue against Obama`s plans. I`d like to see them actually do it. Until then, this video = no, dudes.
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Female 147

.....but in alot of things a white man would be a better provider of the work needed.

says the white man. Perhaps I should take that as well with a grain of salt.

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Female 77
Why did it end up sounding like "rapist" at the end? Was it just me?
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Male 670
point being, theres still alot of racist people out there
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Male 601
Communism, if un-corrupt, would be a good form of government. But I have to agree with whoever said that people and government are inherently corrupt. That`s why I said I don`t advocate communism, because I know that the greedy people in the U.S would weasel their way into the government and turn everything to sh*t. I`m content with our current capitalist society, I`m just a little struck by how disgusted people are at the idea of spreading the wealth...
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Male 736
12% believe that? that means that 88% do not believe that. which means that this video is totally out to lunch. this is one of the dumbest things I`ve seen in a while.
total government takeover? that is nothing more than a lie. like `death panels`. also a lie. they`re trying to provide an option, not a mandate. this isn`t about being racist, it`s about refusing to think for yourselves and simply believing what the pharma-industry is spouting. good god, this debate is being ruined by the greed of the status quo.
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Male 534
@ FoSchizle - I have been in plenty of discussions where that was never brought up.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Anyone can say they are for everyone being equal but if Bill Gates or Donald Trump died and you got a phone call saying you inherited all their wealth, you`d jump on that without a second thought.[/quote]

Funny you mention that, I got an email from a Nigerian Prince just last week and he`s offering exactly that! And you betcha, he`s already got my bank account details so he can transfer the funds.

Mind you, I haven`t heard from him for a while. And my local ATM machine is out of order, apparently, something about "insufficient funds". Prob typo.

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Male 330
I`d like to know how the video is retarded when it`s true? You disagree with anything that Obama says and most of the time it`s because "you`re a racist." Get a real argument and then come back to me with why I`m wrong to disagree.
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Male 181
@sprinkz, Yes, communism and anarchy would be perfect government systems in an ideal world, but let`s be realistic here, do you really think criminals will just stop doing bad things because it`s bad? They won`t and you would know that if you ever stepped outside your house.
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Female 410
"the vast majority of our country has worse health care than some third world countries."

Please give references for this. (Michael Moore`s documentary in which Cuba shows him what they want us to believe about them does not count.)

"Vast majority" is quite staggering. I imagine people dying of polio in the streets the way you say this.

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Female 838
That was retarded
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Male 194
"Also if you want to talk about racism. Take an average White male, he will make a certain percentage more than a Black man annually, just for being white. They do the exact same job, both started at the same time. If black mans wages went up 5% a year, and the white males did not increase, the Black mans wages would not reach the equal rate of he`s average white worker counterpart until 2448. But,....you just gotta work 10,000 times harder.
Read a fu cking BOOK!"

well i know for a FACT that if you apply to be a mail man, a black man will automaticaly get 50 extra points on their exam that they have to take just for being black, so you can`t say that white men get everything for free or any easier then anyone else, that being said, yes there are some things that white people get more than a black man would, but in alot of things a white man would be a better provider of the work needed

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If the simple fact that through legislation such as this, only the rich will be able to afford private insurance (basically the precise antithesis of the `competition stimulation` justification) doesn`t illustrate a widening of the very class gap you`d presume to remedy through an alternative to capitalism, I don`t know what will.

And so far as exploitation goes, income-redistribution is this monster in its starkest form - `from each according to his ability..` implies such exploitation, virtually unlimited to the extent that it can be justified as necessary to the well-being of the people, or `to each according to his need..`

Oh, and if you`re having difficulty following our 13-year-old philosopher`s argument here, it might be the best course of action for you to start by reading Animal Farm.

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Male 3,631
"Capitalism creates classes--it MAKES things unequal and generally unfair."

If you`re really concerned about the relegation of people to certain privileges or benefits along class lines, then you should be rallying against the widening of that chasm which inevitably takes place as a result of any income-redistribution efforts, especially comprehensive ones.

It`s evidence of your supposed solution to the creation of this gap by Capitalism being assuaged by socialist intervention efforts to be completely untenable simply through referencing history and engaging in a little thought-experiment. Socialist systems never turnout to be egalitarian; they`re inevitably complete oligopolies. The people with power and influence in these systems are generally significant members of the given single-party, and curry preferential treatment and favoritism through their status as `spokesmen of the people.`

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Also if you want to talk about racism. Take an average White male, he will make a certain percentage more than a Black man annually, just for being white. They do the exact same job, both started at the same time. If black mans wages went up 5% a year, and the white males did not increase, the Black mans wages would not reach the equal rate of he`s average white worker counterpart until 2448. But,....you just gotta work 10,000 times harder.

Read a fu cking BOOK!

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Male 1,931
There is a very large portion of the republican party that is, in fact, racist. Up to twenty years ago they where pretty damn proud of that fact too. They have made massive steps to getting that out of their party, but it still very much exists.

That being said, this video has NOTHING to do with the health care reform issue. NOTHING. It doesn`t state what our current system is, or what the new system will be. That`s all Fox is pushing down peoples throats, "It`s bad because we say its bad". They don`t bring up points, or alternatives, they just say the reform is bad. But if you look at our current system (ran by companies looking to make profit by refusing service), the vast majority of our country has worse health care than some third world countries.

Am I saying the current reform being pushed through is perfect? Hell no, there are parts I disagree with. But dammit, it`s a hell of a lot better than what we have.

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Male 561
Yay POOPTART ....A shining point of light in the ever widening abyss of ignorance...I bow to you.
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Male 815
I guess I`m racist
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Female 147
PoopFart19 take your trust fund and sit yourself down somewhere. Capitalism is a scam. I`m all for working my keep, but not working so your ass gets jet skis for christmas.

Anyone whose taken a basic Economics class knows Capitalism exploits. Only the people on top of the Pyramid talk about "hard work and moving up". Everyone on the bottom knows you can`t do sh it with out Capital. So....you know.....read a book or something.

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Female 15,763
Wildcats, I do believe communist concept in government have been shown to work in small communes where every person has the ability to leave, easily.
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Male 346
Hey everybody guess what? Capitalism isn`t a perfect system. It can be exploited by greedy men in order to make ridiculous amounts of money. But so is Communism, in fact Communism is even more easily exploited, AND it falls apart more quickly once it is. So until you come up with a better system, stfu and help make the poo we got now work better.
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Male 237
Communism doesn`t work because humans are inherently corrupt and greedy. Anyone can say they are for everyone being equal but if Bill Gates or Donald Trump died and you got a phone call saying you inherited all their wealth, you`d jump on that without a second thought.

Face it capitalism and fighting to get to the top is how humans work.

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Female 465
Look at how the government stole all the money out of the social security fund, and how bad government run public schools are, and now school lunches have been found to have below par meats. Do we really want the government to have control over our health care? If Obama were white his regime would still be Stalinist. And, oh by the way, he`s the racist.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Plus, capitalism is a damn monster. It loves to exploit--it just exploits while giving you hope you won`t be exploited anymore. Hahaha.[/quote]

SPrinkZ, you should be ashamed of your ignorance.

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Male 2,440
[quote]Capitalism creates classes--it MAKES things unequal and generally unfair.[/quote]

SPrinkZ, you are so full of it. Capitalism makes people WORK for their own keep. Work harder, become smarter, and you gain more. I can see no evil in that whatsoever. People CAN and DO move up in America. It`s only the whiney idiots who b*tch and moan that they can`t who don`t put in the effort to get to where they want to be.

[quote]I will have to put in 10,000 times the effort of someone who has a nest egg at the age of 21.[/quote]

Get over it.

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Male 194
this would be SO much funnier if there was more black people...since you know, there is no such thing as a black racist
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Male 2,309
I love the 13 year old philosophers around here. You`re just parroting someone else`s stunted and stilted views anyway.

Communism does function best in smaller units--but the best form of government would probably be a form of anarchy. If people would actually take the time to understand it doesn`t mean chaos and actually means self-government [which doesn`t imply people will be killing everyone--people will just grow up to learn how to be PERSONALLY responsible, and not steal because it is wrong; not because some tangible entity will stop you or punish you for it] then maybe it could be implemented--anarchic systems have worked before for workers and whatnot. It`s just that the stigma with it is the problem.

Plus, capitalism is a damn monster. It loves to exploit--it just exploits while giving you hope you won`t be exploited anymore. Hahaha.

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Male 2,309
And not only that, but why or how can anyone who believes in liberty--and individuality, and personal freedom and all that nonsense support our stratified system? Capitalism creates classes--it MAKES things unequal and generally unfair. I will have to put in 10,000 times the effort of someone who has a nest egg at the age of 21. Sure, my ingenuity can get me to the top--but I have be the sharpest guy in the entire world almost to get to the top...whereas they can be relatively average--they already have the money to do what they need to do to KEEP it.

Upward mobility in this country is a legend--an opiate for the oppressed, and little children who have no idea how bleak and depressing their lives are going to be when they realize that without a masters or a PHd they will never have an easy life or a happy one.

No one really moves up in any significant way anyway--1% of the population has 40% of the wealth. Seriously--wtf?

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Male 438
Lets not forget the Soviet Union was a totalitarian communist government, forcefully making workers work and not having any slacking with the secret police. Big countries thrive with capitalism, little countries can be self sustained and make socialism work. Communism is just "the equal sharing of misery" as Churchill said, and is a violation of all rights, leading to corruption.

Don`t tread on me.

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Male 2,309
"npdarren, I`m not surprised that a liberal would say something like that. Living in a communist government WOULD be the end of our way of life if one valued liberty at all, and I strongly do.

Give me liberty or give me death."

I don`t know...but our forefathers actually CREATED this type of government--the same way that COMMUNISM was created by Karl Marx--or at least it was imagined by him in a faint way...it has never been applied properly, and ultimately there are many problems with how to divide the labor that need to be worked out.

But yes, communism would totally and utterly alter the way we live--it would finally be a meritocracy--not a place where people with more money keep all the money for 1,000 generations and never have to really lift a finger because their capital can get them even MORE capital.

No skills necessary--just throw cash it. Just look at Donald Trump.

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Male 2,309
"or " I have a white/mexican/asian etc" racist affect more than just blacks, though nobody wants to admit it. trust me, whites get discriminated against almost as much as blacks, affirmative action is all about white discrimination, especially males."

Holy crap. Are you serious?? LOL. Affirmative action is about white discrimination--against blacks! Black women are the most up and coming educated demographic--yet they find themselves barred from jobs because of their race.

Black people are discriminated against heavily--and so are Asians, Mexicans, Africans, Jamaicans, Cubans, [insert any race that isn`t white here]. It`s a white world out there. Trust me. Every president up until now has been as white as the text box I am typing in--and certainly one black president isn`t convincing me that he isn`t just another whitey puppet.

His skin color doesn`t reflect his agendas--his feelings, or how he views the world. It is MELANIN. That`s all it is!

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Male 2,440
[quote]I don`t advocate communism, but I think it wouldn`t mean the end of our way of life.[/quote]

npdarren, I`m not surprised that a liberal would say something like that. Living in a communist government WOULD be the end of our way of life if one valued liberty at all, and I strongly do.

Give me liberty or give me death.

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Male 2,309
There have never been any true communist countries. Ever. I don`t know why people think Russia, or China are communist. China`s economy is pretty capitalist. Trust me.
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Male 2,440
[quote]the recent mass global economic clusterf*ck was mainly caused by a LACK of US government control over American banks[/quote]

davy, I luv ya, but if you think that US banks had no government control, you understand jack sh*t about what got us into this mess.

[quote]So... why exactly aren`t people freaking out about governmental education, city maintenance, federal mailing, or other social institutions?[/quote]

opie, I am. Ever since the Federal Dept. of Education was created, the education in this country has gone to sh*t. Not to mention that Social Security is bankrupt and the Fed is going to be the end of us all. Limited government? Follow the Constitution? Does D.C. even remember how to do that?

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Male 601
"Name one country that has *thrived* with a communist economic system..not just survived but thrived..."

I dunno if China is still considered a communist state, but I`d say they`re pretty successful and their success is definitely on the rise. Also, Soviet Russia thrived for over 60 years, beating the U.S in just about everything for the few decades between the end of WW2 and Reagan taking office. They collapsed because they couldn`t keep up with Reagan`s military spending.

Essentially, I think communism is viewed far too negatively. True, most communist states have been utter failures and a skidmark in the underpants of world history, but I believe that results from corruption of government rather than the communist system. Socialism, even communism, thrives when you have a very large population (like the U.S has), and a large amount of land (like the U.S has). I don`t advocate communism, but I think it wouldn`t mean the end of our way of life.

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Male 601
"Anyone see anything between what is going on now, and what happened when the Nazis took over Germany? If you look close, you`ll see history repeating itself."

You know, what Roosevelt did during the great depression was very similar to what Hitler did to pull Germany out of an economic slump following WW1. Aside from the antisemitism and Fascism, Hitler was a great leader; he just had stupid socio-religious views.

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Male 7,378
Another insurance industry poly?
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Male 642
addendum:

http://www.iricen.gov.in/documents/shared/N1772135/WorldPopulationGraph.jpg

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Male 2,703
""hey, cool I have a black friend" in a totally positive way is still racist."

or " I have a white/mexican/asian etc" racist affect more than just blacks, though nobody wants to admit it. trust me, whites get discriminated against almost as much as blacks, affirmative action is all about white discrimination, especially males.

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Male 642
as a sidenote, you could make socialistic healthcare responsible for the earths misery..

As stupid as it may sound, I know it, but there are not enough people dying to make the earth as a whole healthy with a steady population because they are saved from death. And because of that the eath`s population has exploded in the last 100 years. Go ahead and google a graph of the earths population.. if it goes on like that, in less than 200 years, meaning your grandchildren may experience it, people will have to pile up to fit on the earths surface ( no, literaly).

I have a hard time explaining this because it`s common sense to save a persons life.. but in a realistic sense it`s true.

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Male 642
well there ARE a lot of racists in america.. though not 12% I believe.

But generally.. every one who differs between skin colors is a racist because he sees that the other person is different. This may not be in a negative way of course but simply saying something like "hey, cool I have a black friend" in a totally positive way is still racist.

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Male 761
Sounded like "I guess I`m rapist" at the end...
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Female 15,763
So... why exactly aren`t people freaking out about governmental education, city maintenance, federal mailing, or other social institutions?

o_O

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Male 3,369
So called "socialist healthcare" saved my life!

I`d be dead without it!

Kthanxgoboilyourheadbye!

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Male 12,138
[quote]If I did that than i would be as broke as your sorry ass davymid. Its your own parents for being stupid in school and not trying to get a good job[/quote]

My "sorry ass" is far from broke, rugbypunk. I`m loaded, in fact. And next time you call my parents stupid, I will personally permaban your ass into the f*cking adminisphere. Insult me all you like, but personally insulting a mod`s parents can be extremely hazardous to your internet health.

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Male 237
Not enough control on banks? Who do you think told them to make all those sub prime loans and give mortgages to people who had no business taking on debt?

No banker in his right mind would have given loans to people who couldn`t afford it if it hadn`t been for pressure from the government saying that everyone needs to own a home.

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Male 3
I dont think that should pay for your health care. If I did that than i would be as broke as your sorry ass davymid. Its your own parents for being stupid in school and not trying to get a good job that lets them pay so they can live. We used to fight to survive. Know all you have to do it work and make some money and you can live. So shut up and Obama is a good man and is doing what he thinks is right. That doesnt mean i like the way hes doing it.
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Male 12,138
Poop, being poor is not necessarily equal to being lazy. I know many poor people who work their asses off, my parents and brother included. For one, there are many many thousands of people who got made redundant in the recent economic clusterf*ck. There must be a subset of those who then couldn`t afford medical insurance when they subsequently became seriously ill. I`m sorry, but NO-ONE should go broke just because they rolled the dice of life and got sick. Or even worse, be denied treatment because they can`t "afford" it. It`s basic morality.

As a footnote to those whimpering about too much government control, the recent mass global economic clusterf*ck was mainly caused by a LACK of US government control over American banks (just one rung lower on the bottom-feeding food chain than insurance companies, in my opinion). Though thankfully that`s being sorted out now, breaking news today. Well done Obama!

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Male 13
I don`t get it. 12% isn`t that big a number. 67% said "No", and they only surveyed 1000 people with a 3% +/- margin of error. Plus it`s a loaded question anyway. The actual question was "Are most people who oppose the President’s health care plan doing so because they are racist?". The numbers may have changed if they had removed "most" from that question.
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Female 121
A lot of people in that country ARE racist. So in essence that part is totally correct.
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Male 9
God damn, these conservative spots are sooo effing tiresome! It`s just in such poor taste. Not to mention grasping at straws. Now reply with your hate comments.
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Male 2,440
Frankii, giving out healthcare to everyone sounds fine bloody-tastic to you, but I think the hobo should get off his lazy @ss, be productive, and get goddamn job.

Here`s my opinion on healthcare: The current situation sucks. Insurance companies being the means through which we pay for healthcare services is a clusterf*ck. Promote HSAs and give the power to the consumer. Allow doctors and clinics to set up prices for services. People can shop around and get the best deal. Prevent @sshats from twisting the Constitution to set up health insurance company cartels.

Some people b*tch and moan and jerk off to being "progressive." Well I`m sorry if I refuse to give my money to someone who doesn`t deserve it. Don`t like it? F*ck off.

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Male 10
Well put.
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Male 237
Communism a good thing?

Name one country that has *thrived* with a communist economic system..not just survived but thrived...

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Female 15,763
I love you, Wicked.
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Female 437
"Anyone see anything between what is going on now, and what happened when the Nazis took over Germany? If you look close, you`ll see history repeating itself."

Erm, just no. What you are seeing is a recreation of the NHS; something that doesn`t judge you based on what you do or don`t do but gives you what you need. They treat a tramp (hobo) the same as they treat any working class citizen. America should, on the basis of the opposition to the healthcare plan, change their motto to "We help everyone. As long as they can help themselves." You`re so scared of communism that you can`t see a good thing when it`s staring you in the face.

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Female 457
Male 45
We need reform. This bill sucks for everyone.
Start all over.
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Male 85
whoa. that`s a lot of racists.
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Female 3,696
pfft I like the mom "I guess we`re racist!" Little girl: hum?? o.o
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Male 377
Sociophobic - didn`t Mel Gibson already get that role? :P
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Male 439
Dragging racism in to it just seems silly, especially when a great deal of people seem to think that America will turn in to a communist regime if there is social security.
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Male 367
I think we`re overlooking the more important issue, here. Once everyone realizes that there is nothing backing up money any more, we`re all screwed. Apocalypse Now, man. WE`RE ALL SCREWED!!
P.S. I call being Mad Max.
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Male 377
@opie - to them that talk of storms remind them: "The world isn’t interested in the storms you encountered, but whether or not you brought in the ship."
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Male 601
I`m sure Obama is a smart man, not deserving of the overly critical ad hominem thrown his way. You should blame the congresspeople who blindly force their bills onto the stage without even reading the damn bill. That`s what many congresspeople are doing right now; pushing for policy because of the interest groups and lobbyists pulling their strings behind the scene.
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Female 15,763
I kept thinking in the middle of this video someone`d would pull out that old line, "There is a storm brewing... and I.. am afraid.."
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Male 322
Hey say no to everything.. That way we can keep given money to the ins co. and then they can refuse who they want ohh..yeah we dont want all the long lines like they do in canada..oh wait..thats not true soo..oh thats right we want to spend 500 for a script when we can pay 10..hmmm..what else..ohh the docs are not as good..we all will die...blah blah blah..
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Male 377
I`d like to know how they worked out that 12% stat.
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Female 728
madest:

"We wouldn`t need congressional intervention had you not sought profits over practice."

The problems started with frivolous lawsuits. People started suing doctors over things that doctors weren`t responsible for, and so insurance rates went through the roof. Some of it is greed on the part of the insurance companies, but a far larger part is greed of lawyers and people who can`t take responsibility for themselves.

I do agree that framing it in the context of race is pretty stupid, though 12% is arguably a large enough percent for the stupidity of the stance to be aired.

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Male 377
smokey101983 - ROFL, which posts were you reading?
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Male 14
Rather than addressing conservative fears and criticisms of Obama`s healthcare plan these posts show that the left relies on attacking rather than debate.

Can anyone who supports this bill give a legitimate answer of how do you add 30 million uninsured, lower the age of Medicare to 55, increase the threshold for Medicaid, but $500 billion from Medicare and pay for this? Why can`t he add tort reform? Why not allow insurance companies to compete across state lines?

Even if you want a public option, do you stop to think what is with all the fuzzy math, closed door meetings, increase in taxes for years before benefits start? Most of you are worse than the lemmings you call conservatives.

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Male 25,416
Meh. crazy people!
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Male 1,929
I was wondering where all the black people where.. and then POW!
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Male 377
@LazyMe484 - I`m from the UK. We invented that system. :)
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Male 2,229
lazy you got 15cm? i got 20cm, so there
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Male 533
Holy balls Obama is black?
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Male 9,305
Anyone see anything between what is going on now, and what happened when the Nazis took over Germany? If you look close, you`ll see history repeating itself.

Please, wake up! T_T

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Male 10,440
[quote] If you say the rich have to bail out the poor when they need something where do you draw the line? [/quote]

Thats actually a pretty easy problem to solve. Up here in our frigid wasteland the percentage of tax you pay is proportional to your income. If you make less than $10,000/yr or so, you don`t pay income tax, if you make $100,000/yr, its about 40%.

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Male 377
oh come off it Canadians, we know you wiped out nearly all the natives too. :P
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Male 10
Healthcare should be available to all, not just those who can afford it. Maybe I`m missing something?

Go OHIP!

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Male 4,745
LOL! This again? You Americans crack me up with your misplaced fears of progress.
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Male 10,440
Canada is such an awesome place to live. I take it for granted sometimes... like Wednesday when we got 15cm of snow.
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Male 206
Wow. So much stupid in one place. One of these days, conservatives are going to concentrate so much stupid into one policy...(wait, what am I saying? Conservatives don`t DO "policy")...into one policy opposition that it`s going to tear a wormhole in the space-time continuum.

Fortunately, that will still be less painful than listening to some of these commenters spout ignorance about HCR.

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Male 377
keith2 - yeah but then where does it end? If you say the rich have to bail out the poor when they need something where do you draw the line?
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Male 833
lol @ wildcats2008
proving how stupid and uninformed the south really is
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Male 377
@Wildcats2008 - that doesn`t take into account the type of cover you get privately. In the UK private insurance thrives because you can get better health care for a lot of things by going private.
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Male 237
Government provides a "healthcare plan" that competes with private insurance companies. Guess what? The government doesn`t have to make a profit yet the insurance companies do. That means the government can automatically undercut every single private insurance company out there.

People realize that duh, it is cheaper to buy insurance from the government. That takes clients from the private insurers which in turn makes them charge a higher rate so they can..wait for it..turn a profit...then because of the higher rates no one can afford private insurance and then the insurance companies go out of buisness...where does everyone go? The only medical insurer on the block..Big Brother.

It isn`t about providing health care..it is about Big Brother government driving private companies out of business and controlling markets...aka communism...first it is health care and then what?

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Male 2,591
its all about money. most people who oppose it have money. they don`t want to pay the taxes to help those in need. they`re not racist, no. they`re greedy as hell. i mean damn, why should they have to pay because people are poor? i wish they`d all lose every penny they have to live like those without insurance or even a decent meal. yall call it socialism. i call it shut the f*** up and do your part to help your fellow man and don`t complain. greedy f***s.
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Male 159
Public healthcare, peh! Who wants an economy like Norway anyway..
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Male 123
Fwhoa, that`s alotta rapists
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Male 534
Reminds me during Bush`s days.

"Don`t like what Bush is doing? You`re unpatriotic and you hate America."

Good times.

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Male 377
CrakrJak / AnwarNoca: ROFL - yeah kind of. It`s because Blair had a plan, executed it, then legged it before the poo hit the fan. Leaving us with Brown who makes Bush look like an academic. I still have no idea how Brown ever got into politics, he`s got less charisma then a pedophile. I wouldn`t be surprised if he is a pedo tbh.
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Male 2,440
Well I`m racist I guess. :/
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Female 1,395
haha thats the funniest thing ive seen since batmans tangerine. I love how they got them to all act like their puppy just died or something: `but, whyyyy? why did my puppy have to die??`, the black man at the end almost managed to pop a tear out =D Officially you have to talk to the American public like theyre 5 year olds.

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Male 17,511
"it feels like your government is increasingly using excerpts from Orwell`s 1984 for cues on how to run the country"

True, Horribly True.

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Male 17,511
"But wouldn`t putting the system in the hands of the government make it easier to sort it out"

Oh yeah, Our government is so efficient at "sorting things out" <sarcasm>

That`s why Medicare and Medicaid are going broke.

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Male 2,076
"UK budget speech"

point well made. I`m got some friends over there in the UK, been talking to them lately about how ISP`s over there are going to start spying on internet users for people who use torrents and P2P`s...it feels like your government is increasingly using excerpts from Orwell`s 1984 for cues on how to run the country

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Male 377
AnwarNova - nah I didn`t but to be fair most of the world outside of America doesn`t give a poo about it`s internal policies... no offence, just like you guys probs don`t care about the UK budget speech.
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Male 377
But wouldn`t putting the system in the hands of the government make it easier to sort it out... <thinks about the state of the UK NHS>... erm.. ok good point.
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Male 2,076
Waffle, you didn`t know that under the current plan you can go to jail if you don`t want to buy healthcare insurance?

Don`t worry most of America doesn`t either :) it`s called:
-secrecy-

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Male 2,076
The healthcare overhaul is not healthcare reform. Anyone who thinks it is either woefully ignorant, or blindly optimistic.
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Male 17,511
"in our current system, corporate bureaucrats get between patients and Doctors ALL THE TIME by deciding what insurance companies will and will not cover"

I agree, They do and that`s pretty crappy. That is what should be "Reformed" in our health care. Passing the control from one a corporate bureaucrat to a government one is even worse!

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Male 377
CrakrJak - so at the moment you pay for people who can`t afford to pay for it themselves? OK now I am totally confused about why you don`t like this bill. :S
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Male 377
@tuxman4 - yeah that`s why I was going on about media driven drivel. First it was all "oooh the first black president woohoo and yay free health care!" then it was "oooh your racist if you disagree and we don`t want our tazes to pay for it!" they just pick the most provocative line for the story and push it.
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Male 716
Okay first, a ton of people in this country are racist.

And second... this only proves that many many Americans are idiots... 12%, to be exact.

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Male 17,511
"if they can`t pay then they get in trouble with the law for theft of services"

Actually no, People don`t go to jail right now for not being able to pay for their health care. What happens is that the cost of those who doen`t pay is passed along to those that do. Much like the way shoplifting increases a stores prices. Get it ?

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Male 2,868
"No bureaucrat should get between you and your Dr. telling you what treatment you can or can`t have."

Um, in our current system, corporate bureaucrats get between patients and Doctors ALL THE TIME by deciding what insurance companies will and will not cover- regardless of whether or not the doctor deems a procedure necessary. And they drop patients for having "pre-existing conditions," even if those conditions have nothing to do with the illness related to a current health-insurance claim.

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Male 377
CrakrJak - don`t they already tell us all, it`s the one thing we all have in common, "pay your taxes or ELSE!" ?
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Male 367
I still don`t get it. This healthcare plan was one of his strong points when he was campaigning, and now everyone hates him for it. :/
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Male 2,868
"sbeelz grow the drat up...I work for my money and pay $71 every 2 weeks for my insurance and now I need to pay for illegal immigrants and others to be insured too....that`s drating bullpoo."

I too work for my money. I work my ass off. But since I`m also going to school in order to advance in my career, and thus can only work part time, I don`t qualify for insurance under my employer, and can`t afford private coverage. Not that it matters- I`ve looked over what my employer offers, and it wouldn`t cover sh*t if I got a serious illness or injury- I`d still be stuck with most of the bill.

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Male 377
"It has been confirmed by Pelosi and Reid`s offices. Pelosy was questioned about it in a press conference and said that it was fair."

I google`d it, was a bit surprised by it but I stand corrected. I still wonder how the change to the system effects you so differently from now, it`s only going to be people who claim isn`t it?

I should point out, as I`m from the UK, that I`m just here to cause trouble / taking a general interest in this issue. I`m not pro Obama or Bush or any politician. But I`d probably shoot the lot of them given half a chance :)

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Male 7,834
alot of people in this country are racist, but it has nothing to do with healthcare.
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Male 17,511
"there`s no real difference to your wallet is there?"

Being forced by the government to buy health care, OR ELSE!, Is not freedom. It`s taxation and will be enforced by the IRS.

As for the "But surely that would be fraud". Yes, It would be fraud for illegals to game the system. But then again, They do it all the time and are very good at it now.

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Male 4,393
I guess I`m a racist :(
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Male 2,868
@CrackerJack
You sir, are and idiot. 1) Even if they did pass a single-payer system (which they never will), it still wouldn`t be a government takeover of healthcare, because the Government wouldn`t be taking over the hospitals and clinics like they have in actual socialist nations like Cuba.

2) The government DOESN`T "have" the banks or the mortgage companies. They just gave them free money- which is even worse. The banks and the mortgage companies are free to [email protected] themselves up all over again, and are under no obligations to pay the taxpayers back. There is still virtually no federal oversight of the financial sector- which there really should be since we gave them hundreds of billions of dollars. And I`ll be the first to admit Obama is just as responsible for that total ripoff as Bush. I`m by no means a supporter of Obama- but I do believe we need to drastically overhaul how medical care gets paid for.

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Male 377
CrakrJak - no I didn`t that`s why I wanted clarification. My question is what do people with no insurance do now when they get sick? I`m assuming they have to pay the bills anyway they can, and if they can`t pay then they get in trouble with the law for theft of services or whatever? It sounds like that would cost you personally because your taxes go towards supporting the courts, so if they are fined / imprisoned for using the government given stuff then that`s the same thing really isn`t it? I mean either way, it`s going to cost you if someone doesn`t have insurance or the means to pay medical bills, and they only get in trouble if they claim - what`s the difference to you in that case?
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Male 2,076
The Health Care plan will not have the public option. The health care plan is corporatism, plain and simple.

"A lot of people in this country are racist." That`s the one true part of this video. People are racists in this country, but the racism and the healthcare are hardly connected.

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Male 17,511
"CrakrJak - a hand written note? That`s your evidence? ROFL."

It has been confirmed by Pelosi and Reid`s offices. Pelosy was questioned about it in a press conference and said that it was fair.

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Male 17,511
There is a vast difference between the illegals who can`t afford health care, and those that are legal and can afford it. I was talking about two different groups of people and you know it.
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Male 377
CrakrJak - a hand written note? That`s your evidence? ROFL.
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Male 2,372
What I like seeing on these pages is some heated debate on the US healthcare proposal.

I DON`T like seeing proponents of one side being labeled by the other side, just because they disagree.

And certainly, jumping on the `racist` label for arguing against a policy supported by the current President SHOULD be exposed for the cynical, manipulative and desperate tactic that it is.

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Male 377
"There is no enforcement mechanism for that waffle, and it wouldn`t be the aliens getting paid anyways, It would be the doctors and hospitals to get paid. What would keep thm from faking credentials to give them health care and get paid for it ? There is nothing in the bill that would prevent that."

But surely that would be fraud, they can already do that with private health insurance so what would be the difference? Instead of incurring the cost in tax and having the government trying to put a stop to it, it would be incurred in insurance premium rises and the insurance company would be going to the police to get it sorted out... so there`s no real difference to your wallet is there?

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Male 17,511
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

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Male 377
@@CrakrJak - hang on, just want to check something by you. You`re against paying for people who don`t pay for their own health care... but you`re also against them going to jail / being fined for using government provided health care? Um... seems a bit contradictory to me.
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Male 17,511
"@CrakrJak - Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," ... go figure."

There is no enforcement mechanism for that waffle, and it wouldn`t be the aliens getting paid anyways, It would be the doctors and hospitals to get paid. What would keep thm from faking credentials to give them health care and get paid for it ? There is nothing in the bill that would prevent that.

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Male 377
"Sure but at what price ? Insurers and the CBO have already calculated that rates would increase significantly and they are going to be taxed on top of that."

Of course they did, insurance companies will up your rate if they find out you fart more than once a week; they just take the excuse to up prices - it`s the same the world over.

"And guess what, If you don`t purchase a health care plan the government can prosecute you, fine you $25,000, and throw you in jail for 5 years."

Show me the proof of that.

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Male 17,511
"@CrakrJak - you dumb feck! you can still have your private health care moron."

Sure but at what price ? Insurers and the CBO have already calculated that rates would increase significantly and they are going to be taxed on top of that.

And guess what, If you don`t purchase a health care plan the government can prosecute you, fine you $25,000, and throw you in jail for 5 years.

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Male 377
@CrakrJak - Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," ... go figure.
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Male 1,381
obama would be a dumbass if he was PURPLE.

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Female 914
nice one waffle247 and sbeelz!
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Male 2,893
O.K. I`ll admit it. I`m a racist.
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Male 17,511
Section 301 of H.R. 3962 creates the government health insurance exchange, and Section 302 speci­fies that "all individuals are eligible to obtain cover­age" through the exchange unless they are enrolled in another qualified health care plan such as Medi­care, Medicaid, veterans health care, or some employer-provided coverage. No requirement lim­its participation in the plan to citizens and lawful residents; the bill makes illegal immigrants fully eli­gible to participate and purchase insurance through the government exchange.

In addition, certain employers are permitted to purchase health insurance for their employees through the exchange. There is no requirement that such covered employees be citizens or legal residents; illegal immigrant employees are clearly eligible.

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Male 162
I guess I`m not a racist.
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Male 377
"Yes...illegal immigrants will be getting healthcare."

ROFL PMSL... seriously? OK then link me the page in the proposal that says that and I`ll believe you.

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Male 377
@CrakrJak - you dumb feck! you can still have your private health care moron.
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Female 1,380
Yes...illegal immigrants will be getting healthcare.
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Male 17,511
"OBAMA`S PLAN ISN`T ANYWHERE NEAR A "COMPLETE GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE.""

Not yet it isn`t, But it`s a huge step toward a "Single payer" system which is the democrats stated goal for health care in the US.

No bureaucrat should get between you and your Dr. telling you what treatment you can or can`t have. The plan is over 2000 pages long, and does little to help anyone except illegal immigrants. Medicare and Medicaid will be cut drastically under this bill. It`s a huge government power grab of 1/6th of our economy.

Don`t they already have enough ? They have the banks, Mortgage companies, General Motors, and Chrysler. We are headed straight toward socialism.

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Male 377
"sbeelz grow the drat up...I work for my money and pay $71 every 2 weeks for my insurance and now I need to pay for illegal immigrants and others to be insured too....that`s drating bullpoo."

ROFL - explain how an illegal immigrant would get health care?

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Male 74
now I need to pay for illegal immigrants and others to be insured too....that`s drating bullpoo.

well that`s drating wrong. don`t quote bullpoo if you don`t fact check. no illegal immigrants are going to be covered

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Female 1,380
sbeelz grow the drat up...I work for my money and pay $71 every 2 weeks for my insurance and now I need to pay for illegal immigrants and others to be insured too....that`s drating bullpoo.
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Male 377
This is such a bunch of media driven drivel. All politicians are w*nkers. It goes like this: kid goes to school, decides they want to become a politician, give themselves wrist ache then try to f*ck over the world as much as possible while making money out of it. We would just shoot them but then some other fecker would run for government.
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Male 2,868
@JUGGALETTEx0
ICP fans aren`t allowed to have opinions.
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Male 17,511
"I`d be pretty pissed if I became the president and wasn`t even allowed to make decisions"

The President has very little "decision making" power given to him by the US constitution. He doesn`t make law, Congress does. He can sign the bills into law or veto them, But even vetos have been overturned and became law.

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Male 2,868
One- this video is responding to what TWELVE PERCENT of the country believes- that isn`t a whole hell of a lot of people.

Second, and I can`t stress this enough- OBAMA`S PLAN ISN`T ANYWHERE NEAR A "COMPLETE GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE." A complete government takeover would mean the government buying out and taking over the management of every hospital and clinic in the country. Obama`s plan 1) outlaws some of the worst abuses by the private insurance industry by preventing them from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions etc. and 2) establishes a government run healthcare plan that citizens can choose to buy into if they don`t like any of the private options available. Calling this plan a "complete government takeover" is an out and out lie, and I`ve heard it repeated over and over again since the government started tackling the immensely important job of reforming our broken health insurance system.

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Female 1,380
I guess I`m a racist.
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Male 76
Socialized Healthcare = Higher taxes must be pulled out of the pockets of every American citizen.

Private Healthcare = Quality work for those in need of it.

Now, both sides have their merit. Perhaps only those with middle class and lower class incomes should be the ones with the tax increase...

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Male 472
and spirithound:
you don`t count you`re Canadian
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Male 424
I`d be pretty pissed if I became the president and wasn`t even allowed to make decisions....
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Male 472
This was stupid- the statistic they quoted is most likely biased due to faulty questioning (that`s just my geuss) I think most people, when answering that question, thought of all the nutjobs attacking Obama like he is the anti-christ; which in my oppinion is most likely due to the hidden fact that they`re racist. So they took a misleading statistic and made crap out of it.
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Male 2,034
"I`m not racist. I don`t like his white half, either. "

HA! Win.

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Male 228
A lot of people? A lot of people my ass. A vast majority of the American people want health care reform.
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Male 7,378
Nice try Insurance Industry. Your attempts to frame the entire health debate around race is a giant FAIL! We wouldn`t need congressional intervention had you not sought profits over practice.
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Female 751
Yeah, basically anyone who opposes ANYTHING he does is racist. . . but it`s not the same with Bush, and ppl HATED him... but that was ok. Hate a black president though? DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT PAROLE.
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Male 373
bah! What is with americans and they`re total fear of anything that could be vaguely considered "communist".
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Male 15,832
I`m not racist. I don`t like his white half, either.
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Male 58
Oh yeah, and Hannity is full of pooe when he says he didn`t know racism still exists in America and he doesn`t personally know one racist individual. He tours with country-rock bands for cripes sake!
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Female 209
agreed PSU840...agreed
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Male 814
I guess I`m racist...
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Male 58
I just realized `racist` is one of those words that starts to sound really weird after it`s repeated over and over again.
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Female 9,572
I saw that a few days ago. Now that out of the way, let the flame war begin.
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Male 1
And this is why America is messed up.
Nobody understands how amazing it is to walk into a hospital, get treated and walk out without paying a cent out of your pocket to have it done.
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Female 2,509
I guess I`m a racist...
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Male 1,793
We need this plan to pass!!!
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Male 78
woooooow
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Male 4,593
Link: Question US Healthcare? I Guess I`m A Racist [Vid] [Rate Link] - Don`t agree with President Obama`s health care plan? Fine... but you`re a racist.
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