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No, we have military bases in 133 countries all the while refusing military presence in our own... That`s why we need taxes... Don`t you see? Haven`t you ever played risk? you have to put a military presence on every territory in order to gain world domina... i mean peace...
So what if 66% of our tax money goes to military spending, that`s ok, one day america will control every other government in the world and then we wont have to pay those taxes anymore...
summation: blacks are more racist than whites.
hmmm, someone is again only looking at one side of the coin. I make racist jokes, I make racist jokes about whites as well, its all in good fun, much like my blonde jokes or school rival jokes. how many white comedian shows do you go to and they talk about how the black man keeps them down, etc etc etc. how many black comedians (hispanics do it too) use their race to boost their ratings. one of the few I know that doesn`t is Bill Cosby, he didn`t have to be racist towards whites or blacks to get laughs in the `80s, though thats all people want no-a-days.
also, how often do you hear "cracker/corn flake/vanilla" sung about in rock/pop/"white music", how many times do you hear the N word in "black" music?
summation - blacks ar
For a start it helps defines WHY (for example) the person was attacked to start with!...Understandably, it has everything to do with the litigation process, but, when it boils down to the root, a crime is nothing more than a crime. Labeling any crime by its motive devalues the same crimes that came before and after it. If I were to walk into a public place and shoot every soul in there, I should get as much time as if I were to shoot the same number of black people in that place. (seeing as how I`m white). Does this not make any sense?
Where are you getting these figures from? I can`t be remotely arsed to even do the basic research to debunk your other figures, but:
Basic Rate: 20% (£0-£37,400)Higher Rate: 40% (Over £37,400)
Median gross annual earnings: £20,801
All figures for 2009.
Oh, and we`re not a socialist country. I enjoy my public healthcare. Seems your government taxes you more than mine, while providing less.
Saying that some people are against Obama`s plan because they are racist is one thing. Changing it in "All people against Obama plan are racist" is so ill faith.
Some people won`t swim today because they don`t know how to. So I guess if I don`t swim today it means I don`t know how to swim... You have to be mentally sick to do such reasoning.
Motive has no bearing in the judicial system.--------------------------------------------------Wait..what? Do you know anything about how the legal system works? Motive has EVERYTHING to do with the crime! It`s what defines exactly what the crime was to start with!For a start it helps defines WHY (for example) the person was attacked to start with!
I wouldn`t mind it :D
ten points for who gets this first!
Of course, they don`t realize the issue is about race and class because they`re all priveledged, white, upper-middle class asshats who haven`t ever bothered to take a lot outside of their own communities. They don`t see things outside of their "real America" and can`t imagine that we have actually created a class system here in this country that is nearly impossible to escape without help, education and change. Because it`s never touched them. Rock on, idiots. Keep calling yourself racist. Maybe one day you`ll get it?
How do they do it? In Ontario, the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) is paid for by the corporations. Medication, unfortunately isn`t covered, but that`s what the insurance companies pay for.
The main difference between capitalism and socialism is that in capitalism person A exploits person B. In socialism it`s precisely other way around.
Socialism and communism are even more "unfair" The inventor of tetris got basically nothing for HIS invention, Because he lived in the soviet union. How fair is that ?
Socialist countries have tax rates of 40% or more.Sweden 54%, Belgium 50%, Britain 50%, Germany 45%, China 45%, Italy 42%, France 40%
Americans taxes are increasing, In 2004 the top tax rate was 31%, Next year it`s rising to 35%.
Your pipe dream of a classless system has never and will never exist. Because you can not eliminate greed. The question then becomes, What is worse.. Socialist greed or Capitalist greed ?At least with capitalism there is competition, Socialism offers oligarchy and government run monopoly which are not competitive at all.
The answer is government regulated capitalism. It`s the fairest system yet devised.
No they`re not. Everyone may be a bit racially prejudiced, but not everyone is racist.
Racial Prejudice =/= Racism.
You can be prejudiced without being racist.
in my experience, everyone needs to do menial labor, I don`t care how rich they are or will be. I have worked many of crappy jobs paying as little as $2.15/hr (waiter) to office work doing an accountants job, making <20% what he does (got paid $7.50/hr and thought I was doing good...). I worked my ass off, people saw that and when opportunity came about, I moved up to a better job. hard work might not necessarily mean more money, but it does mean steady money. they aren`t going to fire someone who is productive if they don`t have to. steady work = more exposure = raises.
you also need to know when to cut and run, like you. if something doesn`t look like it`ll pan out, you need to have the know how to turn it loose and find something else.
this exactly. Affirmative action started in the `60s, when minority races needed the boost. its now the 2000`s almost 2010`s, 50 years later, and nothing has changed in the policy although the world, as far as race goes, has changed vastly...cont
much like the mail man incident, our approval rating is a scale from .7-1.3 (don`t ask me...), being minority they automatically get a .1 boost in their score. so a mediocre worker getting a .9 gets to 1.0 which is closer to being an overachiever. btw, these affect your bonus/raises.
how would you like it if in school/SAT/etc, minorities automatically get 20%?
And farm labor is damned hard.
Regardless i hope you end up getting the 2 dollar an hour dream job you desperately wish for... at least for a time so you can see what its really like working like a dog in a crap job to make somebody else a ton of money.
Yes, yes I would.
Illegals don`t even get paid minimum wage. Would YOU haul bins of apples around all day for $2/hr?
Not always. I can go downtown and see tons of (most likely illegal, lol) immigrants sit on tractors all day hauling bins of apples around. Not a lot of hard labor going on there.
That is such drating bullpoo. I have been to the hospital several times and none of them have they asked me all of that before they saw me. Also once they saw me they asked if I could afford it and I said no and they got me on a medical plan to pay for it for me.
We already have paid healthcare, but only for the people who actually need it. The people who have money can pay for their own healthcare.
Also my doctor won;t even take insuance. No matter what you go in for he only charges $60 and he gives you a minimum of one hour of his time.
So all this healthcare poo is stupid as drat we already have good health care. I do not need any one making me get insurance. If they do then I am screwed because I cannot aford any more bills at the moment.
Seriously everyone spouting this poor people are lazy crap...its just outlandish. What century are you from, seriously? Read a freaking book, go to school, get a freaking clue.
oh and if racism does exist it isn`t prevalent. our world is so fake and softened up its unbelievable. am i supposed to allow that black kid in the hall call me a cracker? i think not. so when i say "shut up ni_gger" i get sent to the deans office.
America, I’m reaching out to you, because I love America. Every European kid grew up with the A-Team, Knight Rider, Baywatch, and we loved it so. Please don’t let my hero die on me. Cause right now, my Hero is being a bit of a dick.
There are many factors which input a person’s economic class, including race, gender, age, qualifications, your parent’s jobs, the town you grew up in which empowered you to reach those qualifications, whether there was a good school in you town etc, et f*cking cetera.
I hear a lot if sh*t being talked here about “f*ck the poor, that’s their own fault!”. There are two end-points on the political spectrum. One is Communism, the other is Fascism. Far Left and Far Right.
Communism is wank and doesn’t work (first sensible thing Pooptart has said all day), so let’s discard that for now. Alternatively, Fascism is f*cking evil, some crazy guys in Europe even had a war over it a few years back. The correct answer, as anyone who has a modicum of education will tell you, is somewhere between the two extremes.
.....but in alot of things a white man would be a better provider of the work needed.
says the white man. Perhaps I should take that as well with a grain of salt.
Funny you mention that, I got an email from a Nigerian Prince just last week and he`s offering exactly that! And you betcha, he`s already got my bank account details so he can transfer the funds.
Mind you, I haven`t heard from him for a while. And my local ATM machine is out of order, apparently, something about "insufficient funds". Prob typo.
Please give references for this. (Michael Moore`s documentary in which Cuba shows him what they want us to believe about them does not count.)
"Vast majority" is quite staggering. I imagine people dying of polio in the streets the way you say this.
well i know for a FACT that if you apply to be a mail man, a black man will automaticaly get 50 extra points on their exam that they have to take just for being black, so you can`t say that white men get everything for free or any easier then anyone else, that being said, yes there are some things that white people get more than a black man would, but in alot of things a white man would be a better provider of the work needed
And so far as exploitation goes, income-redistribution is this monster in its starkest form - `from each according to his ability..` implies such exploitation, virtually unlimited to the extent that it can be justified as necessary to the well-being of the people, or `to each according to his need..`
Oh, and if you`re having difficulty following our 13-year-old philosopher`s argument here, it might be the best course of action for you to start by reading Animal Farm.
If you`re really concerned about the relegation of people to certain privileges or benefits along class lines, then you should be rallying against the widening of that chasm which inevitably takes place as a result of any income-redistribution efforts, especially comprehensive ones.
It`s evidence of your supposed solution to the creation of this gap by Capitalism being assuaged by socialist intervention efforts to be completely untenable simply through referencing history and engaging in a little thought-experiment. Socialist systems never turnout to be egalitarian; they`re inevitably complete oligopolies. The people with power and influence in these systems are generally significant members of the given single-party, and curry preferential treatment and favoritism through their status as `spokesmen of the people.`
Read a fu cking BOOK!
That being said, this video has NOTHING to do with the health care reform issue. NOTHING. It doesn`t state what our current system is, or what the new system will be. That`s all Fox is pushing down peoples throats, "It`s bad because we say its bad". They don`t bring up points, or alternatives, they just say the reform is bad. But if you look at our current system (ran by companies looking to make profit by refusing service), the vast majority of our country has worse health care than some third world countries.
Am I saying the current reform being pushed through is perfect? Hell no, there are parts I disagree with. But dammit, it`s a hell of a lot better than what we have.
Anyone whose taken a basic Economics class knows Capitalism exploits. Only the people on top of the Pyramid talk about "hard work and moving up". Everyone on the bottom knows you can`t do sh it with out Capital. So....you know.....read a book or something.
Face it capitalism and fighting to get to the top is how humans work.
SPrinkZ, you should be ashamed of your ignorance.
SPrinkZ, you are so full of it. Capitalism makes people WORK for their own keep. Work harder, become smarter, and you gain more. I can see no evil in that whatsoever. People CAN and DO move up in America. It`s only the whiney idiots who b*tch and moan that they can`t who don`t put in the effort to get to where they want to be.
[quote]I will have to put in 10,000 times the effort of someone who has a nest egg at the age of 21.[/quote]
Get over it.
Communism does function best in smaller units--but the best form of government would probably be a form of anarchy. If people would actually take the time to understand it doesn`t mean chaos and actually means self-government [which doesn`t imply people will be killing everyone--people will just grow up to learn how to be PERSONALLY responsible, and not steal because it is wrong; not because some tangible entity will stop you or punish you for it] then maybe it could be implemented--anarchic systems have worked before for workers and whatnot. It`s just that the stigma with it is the problem.
Plus, capitalism is a damn monster. It loves to exploit--it just exploits while giving you hope you won`t be exploited anymore. Hahaha.
Upward mobility in this country is a legend--an opiate for the oppressed, and little children who have no idea how bleak and depressing their lives are going to be when they realize that without a masters or a PHd they will never have an easy life or a happy one.
No one really moves up in any significant way anyway--1% of the population has 40% of the wealth. Seriously--wtf?
Don`t tread on me.
Give me liberty or give me death."
I don`t know...but our forefathers actually CREATED this type of government--the same way that COMMUNISM was created by Karl Marx--or at least it was imagined by him in a faint way...it has never been applied properly, and ultimately there are many problems with how to divide the labor that need to be worked out.
But yes, communism would totally and utterly alter the way we live--it would finally be a meritocracy--not a place where people with more money keep all the money for 1,000 generations and never have to really lift a finger because their capital can get them even MORE capital.
No skills necessary--just throw cash it. Just look at Donald Trump.
Holy crap. Are you serious?? LOL. Affirmative action is about white discrimination--against blacks! Black women are the most up and coming educated demographic--yet they find themselves barred from jobs because of their race.
Black people are discriminated against heavily--and so are Asians, Mexicans, Africans, Jamaicans, Cubans, [insert any race that isn`t white here]. It`s a white world out there. Trust me. Every president up until now has been as white as the text box I am typing in--and certainly one black president isn`t convincing me that he isn`t just another whitey puppet.
His skin color doesn`t reflect his agendas--his feelings, or how he views the world. It is MELANIN. That`s all it is!
npdarren, I`m not surprised that a liberal would say something like that. Living in a communist government WOULD be the end of our way of life if one valued liberty at all, and I strongly do.
Give me liberty or give me death.
davy, I luv ya, but if you think that US banks had no government control, you understand jack sh*t about what got us into this mess.
[quote]So... why exactly aren`t people freaking out about governmental education, city maintenance, federal mailing, or other social institutions?[/quote]
opie, I am. Ever since the Federal Dept. of Education was created, the education in this country has gone to sh*t. Not to mention that Social Security is bankrupt and the Fed is going to be the end of us all. Limited government? Follow the Constitution? Does D.C. even remember how to do that?
I dunno if China is still considered a communist state, but I`d say they`re pretty successful and their success is definitely on the rise. Also, Soviet Russia thrived for over 60 years, beating the U.S in just about everything for the few decades between the end of WW2 and Reagan taking office. They collapsed because they couldn`t keep up with Reagan`s military spending.
Essentially, I think communism is viewed far too negatively. True, most communist states have been utter failures and a skidmark in the underpants of world history, but I believe that results from corruption of government rather than the communist system. Socialism, even communism, thrives when you have a very large population (like the U.S has), and a large amount of land (like the U.S has). I don`t advocate communism, but I think it wouldn`t mean the end of our way of life.
You know, what Roosevelt did during the great depression was very similar to what Hitler did to pull Germany out of an economic slump following WW1. Aside from the antisemitism and Fascism, Hitler was a great leader; he just had stupid socio-religious views.
or " I have a white/mexican/asian etc" racist affect more than just blacks, though nobody wants to admit it. trust me, whites get discriminated against almost as much as blacks, affirmative action is all about white discrimination, especially males.
As stupid as it may sound, I know it, but there are not enough people dying to make the earth as a whole healthy with a steady population because they are saved from death. And because of that the eath`s population has exploded in the last 100 years. Go ahead and google a graph of the earths population.. if it goes on like that, in less than 200 years, meaning your grandchildren may experience it, people will have to pile up to fit on the earths surface ( no, literaly).
I have a hard time explaining this because it`s common sense to save a persons life.. but in a realistic sense it`s true.
But generally.. every one who differs between skin colors is a racist because he sees that the other person is different. This may not be in a negative way of course but simply saying something like "hey, cool I have a black friend" in a totally positive way is still racist.
I`d be dead without it!
My "sorry ass" is far from broke, rugbypunk. I`m loaded, in fact. And next time you call my parents stupid, I will personally permaban your ass into the f*cking adminisphere. Insult me all you like, but personally insulting a mod`s parents can be extremely hazardous to your internet health.
No banker in his right mind would have given loans to people who couldn`t afford it if it hadn`t been for pressure from the government saying that everyone needs to own a home.
As a footnote to those whimpering about too much government control, the recent mass global economic clusterf*ck was mainly caused by a LACK of US government control over American banks (just one rung lower on the bottom-feeding food chain than insurance companies, in my opinion). Though thankfully that`s being sorted out now, breaking news today. Well done Obama!
Here`s my opinion on healthcare: The current situation sucks. Insurance companies being the means through which we pay for healthcare services is a clusterf*ck. Promote HSAs and give the power to the consumer. Allow doctors and clinics to set up prices for services. People can shop around and get the best deal. Prevent @sshats from twisting the Constitution to set up health insurance company cartels.
Some people b*tch and moan and jerk off to being "progressive." Well I`m sorry if I refuse to give my money to someone who doesn`t deserve it. Don`t like it? F*ck off.
Name one country that has *thrived* with a communist economic system..not just survived but thrived...
Erm, just no. What you are seeing is a recreation of the NHS; something that doesn`t judge you based on what you do or don`t do but gives you what you need. They treat a tramp (hobo) the same as they treat any working class citizen. America should, on the basis of the opposition to the healthcare plan, change their motto to "We help everyone. As long as they can help themselves." You`re so scared of communism that you can`t see a good thing when it`s staring you in the face.
"We wouldn`t need congressional intervention had you not sought profits over practice."
The problems started with frivolous lawsuits. People started suing doctors over things that doctors weren`t responsible for, and so insurance rates went through the roof. Some of it is greed on the part of the insurance companies, but a far larger part is greed of lawyers and people who can`t take responsibility for themselves.
I do agree that framing it in the context of race is pretty stupid, though 12% is arguably a large enough percent for the stupidity of the stance to be aired.
Can anyone who supports this bill give a legitimate answer of how do you add 30 million uninsured, lower the age of Medicare to 55, increase the threshold for Medicaid, but $500 billion from Medicare and pay for this? Why can`t he add tort reform? Why not allow insurance companies to compete across state lines?
Even if you want a public option, do you stop to think what is with all the fuzzy math, closed door meetings, increase in taxes for years before benefits start? Most of you are worse than the lemmings you call conservatives.
Please, wake up! T_T
Thats actually a pretty easy problem to solve. Up here in our frigid wasteland the percentage of tax you pay is proportional to your income. If you make less than $10,000/yr or so, you don`t pay income tax, if you make $100,000/yr, its about 40%.
Fortunately, that will still be less painful than listening to some of these commenters spout ignorance about HCR.
People realize that duh, it is cheaper to buy insurance from the government. That takes clients from the private insurers which in turn makes them charge a higher rate so they can..wait for it..turn a profit...then because of the higher rates no one can afford private insurance and then the insurance companies go out of buisness...where does everyone go? The only medical insurer on the block..Big Brother.
It isn`t about providing health care..it is about Big Brother government driving private companies out of business and controlling markets...aka communism...first it is health care and then what?
"Don`t like what Bush is doing? You`re unpatriotic and you hate America."
True, Horribly True.
Oh yeah, Our government is so efficient at "sorting things out" <sarcasm>
That`s why Medicare and Medicaid are going broke.
point well made. I`m got some friends over there in the UK, been talking to them lately about how ISP`s over there are going to start spying on internet users for people who use torrents and P2P`s...it feels like your government is increasingly using excerpts from Orwell`s 1984 for cues on how to run the country
Don`t worry most of America doesn`t either :) it`s called:-secrecy-
I agree, They do and that`s pretty crappy. That is what should be "Reformed" in our health care. Passing the control from one a corporate bureaucrat to a government one is even worse!
And second... this only proves that many many Americans are idiots... 12%, to be exact.
Actually no, People don`t go to jail right now for not being able to pay for their health care. What happens is that the cost of those who doen`t pay is passed along to those that do. Much like the way shoplifting increases a stores prices. Get it ?
Um, in our current system, corporate bureaucrats get between patients and Doctors ALL THE TIME by deciding what insurance companies will and will not cover- regardless of whether or not the doctor deems a procedure necessary. And they drop patients for having "pre-existing conditions," even if those conditions have nothing to do with the illness related to a current health-insurance claim.
I too work for my money. I work my ass off. But since I`m also going to school in order to advance in my career, and thus can only work part time, I don`t qualify for insurance under my employer, and can`t afford private coverage. Not that it matters- I`ve looked over what my employer offers, and it wouldn`t cover sh*t if I got a serious illness or injury- I`d still be stuck with most of the bill.
I google`d it, was a bit surprised by it but I stand corrected. I still wonder how the change to the system effects you so differently from now, it`s only going to be people who claim isn`t it?
I should point out, as I`m from the UK, that I`m just here to cause trouble / taking a general interest in this issue. I`m not pro Obama or Bush or any politician. But I`d probably shoot the lot of them given half a chance :)
Being forced by the government to buy health care, OR ELSE!, Is not freedom. It`s taxation and will be enforced by the IRS.
As for the "But surely that would be fraud". Yes, It would be fraud for illegals to game the system. But then again, They do it all the time and are very good at it now.
2) The government DOESN`T "have" the banks or the mortgage companies. They just gave them free money- which is even worse. The banks and the mortgage companies are free to [email protected] themselves up all over again, and are under no obligations to pay the taxpayers back. There is still virtually no federal oversight of the financial sector- which there really should be since we gave them hundreds of billions of dollars. And I`ll be the first to admit Obama is just as responsible for that total ripoff as Bush. I`m by no means a supporter of Obama- but I do believe we need to drastically overhaul how medical care gets paid for.
"A lot of people in this country are racist." That`s the one true part of this video. People are racists in this country, but the racism and the healthcare are hardly connected.
It has been confirmed by Pelosi and Reid`s offices. Pelosy was questioned about it in a press conference and said that it was fair.
I DON`T like seeing proponents of one side being labeled by the other side, just because they disagree.
And certainly, jumping on the `racist` label for arguing against a policy supported by the current President SHOULD be exposed for the cynical, manipulative and desperate tactic that it is.
But surely that would be fraud, they can already do that with private health insurance so what would be the difference? Instead of incurring the cost in tax and having the government trying to put a stop to it, it would be incurred in insurance premium rises and the insurance company would be going to the police to get it sorted out... so there`s no real difference to your wallet is there?
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
There is no enforcement mechanism for that waffle, and it wouldn`t be the aliens getting paid anyways, It would be the doctors and hospitals to get paid. What would keep thm from faking credentials to give them health care and get paid for it ? There is nothing in the bill that would prevent that.
Of course they did, insurance companies will up your rate if they find out you fart more than once a week; they just take the excuse to up prices - it`s the same the world over.
"And guess what, If you don`t purchase a health care plan the government can prosecute you, fine you $25,000, and throw you in jail for 5 years."
Show me the proof of that.
Sure but at what price ? Insurers and the CBO have already calculated that rates would increase significantly and they are going to be taxed on top of that.
And guess what, If you don`t purchase a health care plan the government can prosecute you, fine you $25,000, and throw you in jail for 5 years.
In addition, certain employers are permitted to purchase health insurance for their employees through the exchange. There is no requirement that such covered employees be citizens or legal residents; illegal immigrant employees are clearly eligible.
ROFL PMSL... seriously? OK then link me the page in the proposal that says that and I`ll believe you.
Not yet it isn`t, But it`s a huge step toward a "Single payer" system which is the democrats stated goal for health care in the US.
No bureaucrat should get between you and your Dr. telling you what treatment you can or can`t have. The plan is over 2000 pages long, and does little to help anyone except illegal immigrants. Medicare and Medicaid will be cut drastically under this bill. It`s a huge government power grab of 1/6th of our economy.
Don`t they already have enough ? They have the banks, Mortgage companies, General Motors, and Chrysler. We are headed straight toward socialism.
ROFL - explain how an illegal immigrant would get health care?
well that`s drating wrong. don`t quote bullpoo if you don`t fact check. no illegal immigrants are going to be covered
The President has very little "decision making" power given to him by the US constitution. He doesn`t make law, Congress does. He can sign the bills into law or veto them, But even vetos have been overturned and became law.
Second, and I can`t stress this enough- OBAMA`S PLAN ISN`T ANYWHERE NEAR A "COMPLETE GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE." A complete government takeover would mean the government buying out and taking over the management of every hospital and clinic in the country. Obama`s plan 1) outlaws some of the worst abuses by the private insurance industry by preventing them from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions etc. and 2) establishes a government run healthcare plan that citizens can choose to buy into if they don`t like any of the private options available. Calling this plan a "complete government takeover" is an out and out lie, and I`ve heard it repeated over and over again since the government started tackling the immensely important job of reforming our broken health insurance system.
Private Healthcare = Quality work for those in need of it.
Now, both sides have their merit. Perhaps only those with middle class and lower class incomes should be the ones with the tax increase...