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*South Park Refrence to AIDS vs. Aides episode
i dont support the us help to israel becuz they r killing muslims. i wouldnt agree neither if muslims were killing israelis but thats not the case. they r killing muslims. how do i no? becuz palestinians dont have the support of the strongest country on earth. the jews do. and they want to eradicate muslims. this is a neo-crusade thats y we r bombing muslim countries.
and, there is no reason jews and muslims cannot live in peace, they have done it be4. do u no jews and muslims used to drop off thier kids at eachothers homes while they made religious pilgramages?
We cannot necessarily blame Israel for the many unnecessary civiliam losses on the palestinian side of the scuffle. It is hard to determine the soldiers when compared to people just walking around. Anybody they see could be a hostile, including children, which has to be one of the hardest things to pull yourself to do. To point your weapon at a child who may or may not have been sent to kill you, and pull the trigger.
On the other side of this, i cant see why there are so many civilian casualties on the Israeli side. The soldiers where uniforms and are easily determinable from the general population. To harm the civilians in Israel, you have to try. But, this is nothing new for the muslim extremists in the middle east. They always seem to attack the innocent.
Yes, but first we need a rubbish "Too soon?" caption to get `em angry enough to really rip someone a new one, even though it was EIGHT YEARS AGO!!!!
I never said I thought Japanese civilian deserved to die.What I was trying to show was if put in the sitiuation we were put in then I would support the decision we made because the alternative would have been even worse. It also kinda sounds like your holding the U.S. responsible for the actions of Israel we are two different countries and have no control over what their military does you know.
I fail to see the logic in this statement. If the billions of those who cannot afford etc. didn`t exist, would that stop us from being able to afford electricity or speak our mind - NO.
Maybe you should seperate out your two twisted arguments here, and shine some light on them:- "if we don`t keep the poor masses at bay we won`t have so much good stuff" and- "if we don`t oppress everyone else we won`t be able to speak our minds"
You`re twisting stuff, dude, but hey don`t let me stop you, on with the fear and loathing...
The very fact that you have access and can afford electricity to power your PC, afford and have available a roof over your head, you being well fed and educated and living in an environment where you safely can speak your mind; is based on the fact that billions can not.
You Sir, are a hypocrite.
Clear enough? I Love the place I live, I just hate a lot of the people in it. You remind me of them. Thanks for not being here.
It is not about my point. There is no "my" point. This is about a clash of civilization. About the western empire that slowly comes to its natural end and new forced that desire to raise and inherit. But the end is not that near yet for the west.
9/11 didn`t happen because the plotter and executers were so amazing and elite. It was made possible because some people in charge, on the western side, failed, became over confident and opened our flanks. So you towel heads reacted and brought the point home. Bravo.
Look what you get for it now. Hundreds of thousands dead brothers. Call them martyrs? Go ahead, we call them dead Hajis. Infidels closer on your doorsteps than ever. Palestine further from a future than ever.
Whoever will be the heir to the western empire, it will not be a muslim Nev
dude, you don`t know how to comment.
this is IAB not ur political science class
Or like, Jesus or something.
If only because when he types, he actually cites his sources and uses grammar.
That said, I found this funny, and if you have a problem with it... well drat you. I`m still going to laugh at it, and everything like it. Just try and stop me >;D
You are! Yes you are! Smooochie woochie woochie.
I am simply presenting the facts after someone else was discussing why someone else deserved an atrocity visited upon them.
I merely pointed out that by that reasoning so do they.
I then made about 10 more posts because they found what I was saying "unbelievable" (I agree, it is pretty fecking unbelievable) and asked for sources and elaborations.
It is alot easier than you think to justify genocide if you use the logic of many IABers. I am merely calling that logic into question and pointing out that they don`t want to die being gunned down by gunships or to watch their friends and family melt in a rain of nuclear fire as they`ve basically claimed so many others "deserve" for the actions of their government.
"All glorious and however clever articulate reasoning you dish out taken into account, you miss something: Nobody cares about how miss treated Palestine is".
1) Thanks. 2) Not nobody.
"Why? Because the truth is defined by the empowered, history is written by the winners."
So, basically, you`re suggesting 9/11 is warranted? This is exactly the philosophy of Al Qaeda. That it would be better if the entire world rose up and took the US down a peg because they`re non-nice individuals.
Are you suggesting they`re basically right and you`d support this? No your mouth only opens to say the things you say when it is advantageous to your side of the argument.
The problem is, it isn`t. Your argument is a stillborn, it makes no points in favor of you that it doesn`t make stronger for the opposing viewpoint.
The EVIL DICTATOR is telling me about his faith in humanity and the strength of peace and whatnot....
Skipping that for a moment: Are you suggesting that the best course of action would be to maintain the status quo? A status quo which allowed a thousand people to die with bloodshed, against the entirety of the international community, simply because they have an influential friend who will stand beside them (blindly as you put it) when even it`s own people, government, and supporters will not?
If they didn`t think America would: 1) Back them, 2) Veto every allegation that ever comes their way.
They would not commit atrocity after atrocity. I know you want to sit in the corner and cry that people are arguing over the internet cos it makes you sad, but what makes me sad right now is 1000 dead bodies in the streets.
So drat you. Harder.
However there`s nothing that makes an item belong to a country unless it is developed by the state, which it wasn`t.
It is perfectly reasonable to call it Canadian (where it was invented), American (where it was patented), Italian (If you agree Meucci was the inventor), Scottish (If you decide it`s the nationality of the inventor).
However, none of these have any sole claim to being correct. No matter how loud you squeal.
It demonstrates that I was saying this poo to you idiots long before it could be called hindsight.
2) Facts are:The senate voted unanimously, congress voted 390-5 (not 390 to 2 as I had earlier stated).
This is at a time when even the Israeli defense minister, minister for foreign affairs, 9 Israeli human rights groups, 500 Rabbis in the US, the UN, Ban ki moon, Amnesty international, and the Red cross all came down against Olmert for his decision to go to war and keep fighting.
This is to all the people butt-hurt and crying over said pic/joke:
Thank you for this link, very interesting read.
@evildictator, well stated
@baalthazaq, i dont trust facts spouted at me over the internet, so can you site your sources. this time, make it somewhere other than wiki or your own site please and thank you.
Nope. US patent 174465 by Alexander Graham Bell (March 7, 1876) is the quint essential first telephone patent. And as the US might have given away, it is an american patent.
You show me the canadian patent and I will rest the case.
Must be one of those "I have no life" specimens.
It is such a completely futile thing to do.
The Telephone is under a Canadian patent therefore it is a Canadian invention.
Why? Because the truth is defined by the empowered, history is written by the winners.
We here in the west, the evil infidels, are living in prosperity at the cost of the rest of the world. And it happens that arabs and muslims are pretty high on the loser list.
You guys had your shot at global domination, now it is our time. Then India, China and whoever, just no arabs and muslims.
When Israel invaded Lebanon in 2006, the USA was the number one supporter. When asked to vote on whether it was the right thing to do, the Senate voted unanimously in favour, congress voted near unanimously (I believe only 2 votes were opposed).
This gives the US roughly 99.4% approval rating of the conflict.
The runner up? Israel. Whose government voted 60% approval, and 40% who claim it was basically a mismanaged disaster, and saw the subsequent removal and replacement of many of the top people involved.
The UN were generally against it.
While we`re on the line of hypocrisy, the conflict revolved around the holding of an (1) Israeli by Hezbollah, at a time when Israel holds over 7000.
One of which, I might add, was a friend of mine, who was arrested for having a firework on Eid. He was 16 at the time. He was held for 2 years.
I was talking about the 3.5 million Palestinian refugees who currently occupy most of the Middle East and who have no right of return.
Apparently, the USA only supports a right of return after 2000 years (hey it`s still their "true home"), not 2 (hey, you left, drat you).
I`m talking about the 25`000 Palestinian homes Israel demolished to make way for Israeli settlements. (Remember, the slogan was "A land without people, for a people without land", skipping of course that the land may have had some "brownies" living there)
The deaths are exclusively civilian deaths caused by the occupation. (Not combatants, which have been factored out). (Note here: 50% the *Israeli government* blamed on Ariel Sharon, who they then elected to power, and who was then called a "man of Peace" by bush, who couldn`t understand why the Palestinians were unwilling to negotiate with him).
"The expulsion of 3.5 million refugees from their homeland." - Would you happen to be talking about Israel?
"The equivalent of 3 9/11s since 2000." - Do you mean deaths from the above incident?
"The destruction of 25`000 homes." - where?
"If Japan did: I`m fairly sure you cannot claim America did not do (at least) 1000th of that. " - Yes we did because we were involved in a world war which I seem to recall Japan brought us into also before that they killed about 15-20 million chinese people directly being ordered to kill civilians. Don`t belive that they have a statue of a nazi in china because he tried to stop them because he thought what they were doing was wrong A NAZI THOUGHT THEY WERE SICK.
I`m not throwing out random accusations here.Everything everyone said about America and the Iraq war has been true.
The most bullpoo response of course being the one about hindsight. I say bullpoo, because even as a kid barely out of the 13-17 age range, I predicted every problem the US faced from then till 8 years on.
the problems were obvious. They were always obvious. they will always be obvious. It doesn`t take hindsight. It is universally idiotic, bad politics, bad ethics, bad planning, and bad strategy that gets America where it is.
Not how people talk about it, as you so self servingly replied.
Cobra, to be fair most of the time it`s us deciding there is a problem and the UN then backs us. We decide there is a problem because somebody told us to start another fight so the war machine can continue running and profits can be reaped.
Everyone needs to realize that it is not US vs. Middle East vs. whoever. It`s rich vs. poor and we all need to be on the same side when the time comes.
Whereas the UN has 62 resolutions against Israel killing civilians at a rate 6 times higher than all the terrorists combined, taking new land up to 40 years after "the end of the war", and building settlements on land it deemed it needed to take as a "buffer zone", the US has done nothing but support it in the face of the international community.
Personally, I know of at least 12 of my friend who have had their homes destroyed, many who can never return to homes they built with their own hands, and so on and so forth.
Now if you`re quite done failing on every metric you SET FOR YOURSELF. May I put forward, from everyone who DOES have a personal reason to hate you (and that includes threatening my country with battleships, without reason), F*** YOU TOO.
For example could be called the true inventor of the telephone.
People always try to hijack inventions for their own people, usually by picking their favourite "first inventor" and sticking to it.
The Italians prefer Meucci, Canadians claim the Telephone (invented in Canada) is Canadian, the British claim it is British, as the inventor was. Neither is false.
As neither is false, either could be correct, as either is correct, the 13 year old is perfectly legitimate in his claims.
then even though we were asked to help, the rest of the world hates us for getting involved. but these same people who hat us during this time will ask us for our help when they are in trouble. the world is full of hypocrites and we always seem to be hated no matter what we do. so, from the bottom of my heart, if you hate america, and have no reason to personally hate us, [email protected] YOU! and, thank you for your time.
Write a list of everything America has done to the Middle East prior to 9/11.
Then write a list of everything Japan did to the USA before Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Is the Is the Japan-> USA list 1000 times larger than the USA -> ME?
Then it might be time to reconsider your perspective on the matter when it comes to "when is killing thousands of people justifiable".
Your government has so far backed:The expulsion of 3.5 million refugees from their homeland. The equivalent of 3 9/11s since 2000. The destruction of 25`000 homes. The the inclusion of an article in the constitution that ONLY Christians and never Muslims be allowed to hold the prime political position in Lebanon, despite Muslims being a 70% Majority. Permanent troop placements propping up several dictatorships across the middle east. Support of heinous tyrants such as Saddam when it was profitable.
Japan, in no way shape or form, is more guilty of offenses against your nation, let alone warranting of the equivalent of 1000 9/11s.
Don`t do the justification afterwards. Do it properly. "What would warrant 1000 9/11s being visited upon a nation".
If Japan didn`t do that: It`s word eating time. If Japan did: I`m fairly sure you cannot claim America did not do (at least) 1000th of that.
See, in order for it to be funny, it should have something about it that makes people laugh.
This, is only taboo. Some people like to giggle when something is taboo because it makes them feel like they`re doing something naughty.
It doesn`t make it funny however.
Having fun with that telephone we invented?
Errrrr do you mean petty?
Maxell, as long as you know your place.
also, there is no comparrison to what the japanese did to POW`s and what our soldiers have done to the people they have captured. the japanese during WW2 were much more vile and disturbing when it came to their actions. I dont think this was a reason to drop the A-bombs, which might be why nobody has since.
The problem with that is the WTC had no industrial capacity and didn`t affect U.S. armies really the pentagon attack made more sense there. As for gitmo prisoners thats not too accurate they`re alive Japan worked a good portion of their prisoners to death and it`s army was encouraged in China to kill civilians even babies.
How do we not have much to say? What difference is it if my memory of the attacks is more hazy than yours?
This line of reasoning could equally apply to the people who carried out 9/11 - they attacked your cities because you could just rebuild your armies. It`s a terrible argument. Non-combatants are never fair game.
[quote]Also if you take a look at what Japan did to Chinese civilians and POWs at the time you wouldn`t have much compassion for what had to be done.[/quote]
Again, terrorists could equally use this logic to justify their attacks based on your treatment of Gitmo prisoners.
We bombed cities because just destroying an army dosen`t take away a countries capacity to just rebuild it. Also if you take a look at what Japan did to Chinese civilians and POWs at the time you wouldn`t have much compassion for what had to be done.
Besides the rifle isn`t even pointed at the towers.
America was responsible for those attacks and remains the only country to have used atomic weapons in anger.
Did they shorten the war - probably - but why did the bombs have to be dropped on densely populated cities first off - levelling an island or two might have got the message home. Also.. troops sign up, civilians don`t.
p.s. I`m well aware that us Brits have a few oustanding examples of bombing civilians - Dresden etc.
Look back to my post. All I did was say that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not America`s FAULT. I didn`t go into right/wrong, justified/unjustified, moral/immoral, etc.
And now the majority of Americans are "blatant unintelligent non-nice individuals"? This means a lot coming from a 13 year old. I`d ask you what you base that on, but Americans don`t general like to get into battles (of wits) with unarmed persons...
Like I said to Josh - Time to stop playing on the interwebs and get back to school...
in fact, i couldnt care less for the people who died. the picture was good.
ya cuz we all know japan didnt attack first right
Oh get over it, Many countries have had far worse tragedies. Mostly caused by the US anyway. Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring a bell? They got over it.
you just keep living in your shell believing your country can never be blamed for anything, because you`re all far superior then the rest of the world right.of course you agree you`re American.
and am I standardizing Americans right now? yes I am, sure I know quite a few Americans who are respectable kind people, but when the majority of you are blatant unintelligent non-nice individuals, and someone like you gives off the vibe so clearly, I`m perfectly allowed to voice my opinion.
but alas, remember I`m just a weak Canadian who lives in an igloo, and will never be smart enough to achieve anything great like the Americans can.
You can make jokes about car bombs to the irish, but we`ll shoot your drating knees off.
Whats the difference between smarties and terrorists?Smarties don`t blow up in the tube
Our war with Japan was clearly as a response to Pearl Harbor and all other aggression by them. They just picked the wrong country to mess with.
Time to stop playing on the interwebs and get back to school...
56 people died and over 700 were injured
Besides, the humour in these sorts of jokes aren`t laughing at the actual event, there`s nothing funny about 9/11. It`s just the nature of the jokes, they make you uncomfortable and think "oooh, can you really say that?". You either find them funny or you don`t, I personally quite like dark humour, but each to their own.
To be honest, in england we`ve always been quite light hearted about the July 7th bombings, no one died and we got a new NEXT! Everybody wins!
(also, can I point out that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were America`s fault?)
-The people can wait a few years or decades until they feel like it`s "okay" to poke fun at 9/11
-The people can not be hypocrites and just poke fun anyway.
Either way, people are horrible.
Done, done and done.
OOH OOH!! I DO!! :D
kidding, don`t eat me alive.