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  1. Profile photo of indofosho
    indofosho Male 13-17
    107 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    Is that a pencil in his pocket or is he just happpy to see me?
  2. Profile photo of alliknow
    alliknow Female 18-29
    155 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    ha ha, perhaps the "and f*ck HER" was a bit too far?
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    lol, nice xD I love it.
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm
    I think that`s kinda the point... The problem those right-wingers have is that gays are, well, gay. Not gay = not a problem. So to answer this man`s question on behalf of right-wingers: Yes.
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    Qwertyuiop95 Male 18-29
    215 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    Wow, hitting them right in the logic. Ouch.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:00 pm
    True true!
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    haha love it
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    AlexTron Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    LOL nice
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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:13 pm
    WIN
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    Freyr108 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:14 pm
    yes i would :) hes a fairly good looking guy, nice genetic material XD
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:17 pm
    yes im pretty sure an anti-homosexual protester would rather that man (if he is respectable) to marry their daughter rather than engage in gay sex..is that even a question?
  12. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    Why not? He looks like a nice bloke and she`s gay, so it could work out.
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    sinfulsisi Female 13-17
    1892 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 1:32 pm
    is...is that....is that his penis?
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    skine Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    "is...is that....is that his penis?"

    The pencil-shaped thing in his left pocket?

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    ParasyT Male 13-17
    533 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    I would rather you marry my daughter than my son.
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    nice one there
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    CitrusCider Female 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    He has a point. xD
  18. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:00 pm
    Ummm...

    I fail to see his point here.

    I am pretty sure most Anti-Gay people would rather you screw their daughter then their son...

    Or is this all completely going over my head?o.O

  19. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:02 pm
    You can`t call a spade a fork, words mean what they mean. "Marriage" is the oath sworn before God between a man and a woman to live and act as one. I`m not saying gays can`t live together or whatever, but its not "marriage", just as a hetero man and woman living together isn`t "marriage".
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    thetoastking Male 18-29
    625 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    what parasyt said
  21. Profile photo of DeSheaaaaa
    DeSheaaaaa Female 18-29
    187 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    H`s going to put it in her butt. lol
  22. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    Can he cook, clean, and do yard work? If so then sure. Beat`s the hell out of some of the cretins in the world.
  23. Profile photo of PhilF1203
    PhilF1203 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    ParasyT - You would rather a gay man who is neither attracted to nor in love with your daughter marry her than if that same male was in a mutual loving relationship with your son get married? That doesn`t sound right to me.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7425 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    "and then f*ck your son...mmmmmmm hmm!"
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Lionhart2
    Male, 40-49, Australia
    5479 Posts Friday, December 4, 2009 2:02:01 PM
    You can`t call a spade a fork, words mean what they mean. "Marriage" is the oath sworn before God between a man and a woman to live and act as one. I`m not saying gays can`t live together or whatever, but its not "marriage", just as a hetero man and woman living together isn`t "marriage".


    Lion: first of all, where does it say that it has to be between a man and a woman? Secondly, anything having to do with "God" is not a valid legal definition because laws may not establish an official religion in the United States. A church can use any definition of "marriage" they wish, and in fact, your definition is probably the best one for a church to use, but that cannot be a legal definition in the United States because it establishes an official religious belief. I don`t think the law should recognize a "real" hetero church marr

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    "You can`t call a spade a fork, words mean what they mean. "Marriage" is the oath sworn before God between a man and a woman to live and act as one. I`m not saying gays can`t live together or whatever, but its not "marriage", just as a hetero man and woman living together isn`t "marriage"."

    That`s the religious interpretation of marriage, ask google to define the word and you`ll find many interpretations from around the globe that don`t include the religious dogma.

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    Not my quote, someone said it in a previous thread. But it`s so good it deserves repeating:

    "Religious types, don`t like gay marriage? Then shut the f*ck up and don`t get one"

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
    3844 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:32 pm
    Damn, I got cut off!

    I don`t think the law should recognize a "real" hetero church marriage any differently than they recognize an atheist hetero marriage (legal but not recognized by the church) or a gay "civil union" (also not recognized by the church). They should all be the same in the eyes of the law, even though only the first one is a "real" marriage according to the church.

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    mcflylives Male 30-39
    334 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:33 pm
    Lionhart2:
    marriage IS a oath taken before god, but it can also be taken in front of a JOP, having NOTHING to do with church or religion, and still be a legal, binding marriage.
    the term "marriage" is not just for use by a church.
    not sure how it works in Aussie land, but in the states, there is a thing called "common law marriage", which says after a certain period of time (average is about 7 years i think) your basicly married.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    Windrider15
    Male, 13-17, Western US
    605 Posts Friday, December 04, 2009 2:00:06 PM
    Ummm...
    I fail to see his point here.

    I am pretty sure most Anti-Gay people would rather you screw their daughter then their son...

    Or is this all completely going over my head?


    On behalf of all the people who don`t get it: Marrying a woman would not make him straight, he would still be gay, but he would be living a lie, and an innocent woman would be stuck in a loveless, sexless marriage to someone who prefers dudes.

    He would not screw anyone`s daughter. He is gay. But he would have to marry a woman in order to live a lie, if the law does not allow him to be with a man. The woman might not like that her husband is into dudes.

  31. Profile photo of durdikkimeng
    durdikkimeng Male 50-59
    743 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    I`m just fed up with all people who think that they fall into a "group" demanding so called rights.
    So, gay whales against the lesbian bomb black marriage jewish referendum disability save the planet climate change zombies have feelings too,
    as we say in England,GET A LIFE! It was all here before you were born, it`ll all still be here when you`re dead. There`s nothing new under the sun,you just think you invented it. (i feel better now)
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    lilykat19800 Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    Who cares!!! My boyfriend thinks the same with me. He is eight years older than me, lol. We met online at ##Agelessmatch.com## a nice and free place for Younger Women and Older Men, or Older Women and Younger Men, to interact with each other. Maybe you wanna check out or tell your friends.
  33. Profile photo of BeatleAddict
    BeatleAddict Female 13-17
    226 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 3:17 pm
    LandoGriffin: Not to mention that he might also have other `heathen` qualities that would anger fundamentalists such as questioning religion, having liberal beliefs, etc.
  34. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    You can`t call a spade a fork, words mean what they mean. "Marriage" is the oath sworn before God between a man and a woman to live and act as one.

    You`ve picked a losing argument there. The word `marriage` is an Anglo-French version of a Latin word. It predates the Christian takeover of Rome by centuries, so if you`re really dead set on the real meaning of the word you can`t possibly connect it to Christianity at all in any way.

    You could formally connect it to a single god, but that god would be Jupiter.

    On top of that, it would only really apply to the nobility and was archaic more than two millenia ago. The cōnfarreātiō form of marriage was for the patrician class only and even amongst that class had become almost unheard of by the late Republican period.

    In almost all Roman marriages (i.e. the "real" meaning of the word), what mattered was what the two spouses said to each other and to other people. Variou

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    GregH7 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    "GET A LIFE!"
    that was good durdikkimeng
    i dont think there is a point in picking a side just to argue with the opposition. its not going to change anything
  36. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Gah, the fake 1000 character limit!

    Various gods could be referenced as well. Hercules, the guardian. Juno, for marriage itself. Venus, for love. Fortunata, perhaps, for luck. There were many gods.

    But the key point was the statements of the spouses, as the key point was always the intent of the spouses. If people stated they were married, they were married. Ceremonies would be added on top most of the time, but the guts of marriage was simply the repeated consent to marry by both spouses.

    If you want formal oaths for the real meaning of the word marriage, here they are in English:

    Where and when you are Gaius, I am Gaia.

    Where and when you are Gaia, I am Gaius.

    In summary, your argument is wrong.

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    Keitarohusky Male 13-17
    131 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    I find it strange how a lot of things to do with gays are bought up here. I may be on their side but that does not mean I can`t be hypocritical but I think gay people are trying to use I-A-B to promote their own kind and lower religion x.x
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    not sure how it works in Aussie land, but in the states, there is a thing called "common law marriage", which says after a certain period of time (average is about 7 years i think) your basicly married.

    Are you sure about that? I`m not, because it`s a very common misconception here in England - almost everyone thinks it exists and it doesn`t. USA common law was mostly English common law, so perhaps the same misconception exists.

    But the original meaning of marriage (i.e. the Roman meaning) definitely did have marriage of that form. usus marriage - live together, state that you`re married and do not spend more than three consecutive nights apart in a year.

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    JTheGreat Female 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    You can`t call a spade a fork, words mean what they mean. "Marriage" is the oath sworn before God between a man and a woman to live and act as one.

    Let`s get a little technical here. The definition of "existence" is that it can be proven to be in a state of being either by direct observation or indirect reasoning by scientific or mathematic fact (quoted from npdarren). So if we follow your standards, God doesn`t actually exist.

    Ball`s in your court, Lionhart.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    A touch of brilliance there, JTheGreat. The ball you`ve served is definitely an ace.
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    he looks like a stereotype, and also, lol, good for him
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    HUFFER Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Haha just kidding! :D

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    HOLYCRAP1234 Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    "I`m just fed up with all people who think that they fall into a "group" demanding so called rights."

    If they`re human, and haven`t done anything atrocious or unforgivable, let them have rights. What`s the big deal with people being gay? So what, a dude likes a dude.

  44. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    Lets get more technical:
    This is the definition of existence. (Quoted from a dictionary).

    There is no criteria for evidence in common usage or official usage of the term, let alone proof.

    Take your ball and go home.

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 3:59 pm
    i love the topical links on here. its always fun to read the arguments that transpire between idiots on both sides who usually only have the smallest idea of what they are talking about. most of the reasons given on both sides seem inadequate, or stupid to the people on the other. you can fight it out all day on this forum, but you will never change a mind. people are hard headed, and dont change because some non-nice individual on the internet tells them they are wrong. thank you for your time, and sorry for my little rant. i love you all.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:00 pm
    non-nice=a$$hole, i learn something new everyday. :)
  47. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    How many times do I have to repeat myself on this site: Marriage is a legal institution that has existed since long before Christianity. Because marriage is a legal institution in the U.S, it is (or at least should be) protected by the 15th amendment of equal protection of the laws. Even if a civil union is equal on legal grounds (just like racial segregation was equal on legal grounds), because it is different it will be treated as such by the public, and therefore is inherently unequal to marriage. I see the fight for gay rights as much the same as women`s rights and civil rights. The only difference is that gay people do not have any outstanding public figures to influence the masses.
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    xScalawag Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    Christ, you people are pretentious. I can`t believe we still have to protest this crap. What`s so hard about having equal rights for EVERYONE? Liberty and justice for all, my ass. Anyways, this is still my favorite comment here, by DeSheaaaaa: "
    H`s going to put it in her butt. lol"
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    I HATE CENSORSHIP ON MY POSTS! GAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    Baalthazag:

    I took my definition of existence from a Physics textbook. I`d give you the information for the book but I returned it a while back. I`m not going to say it`s the best definition for existence, but it drove my point across: Just because that`s how someone put it in a dictionary, doesn`t mean it`s absolute fact.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    NPDarren.
    You`ve used the quote before however, and it has changed since. I addressed it previously here.

    I could not find anything to back up your definition.

    It also makes several assumptions.
    Either: This demonstrates that God cannot be proven.
    However, when applied to any level of Nihilism, the same argument could be made that you cannot mathematically or via indirect reasoning demonstrate a table exists. You can infer, via Occham`s, but not prove. Prove is a very strong word.

    Or: Definitions are tricksy things.
    However, again, you should be using official definitions, especially when discussing language and common usage.

    So in the long run, does your definition matter? No. Only if you want it to, or if you want to tell self serving stories about teachers to your friends on the internet.

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    Lockon Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    In what way does this man`s sign make sense? Get serious if you want to be taken seriously...
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    AirLeet Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    You guys can talk semantics all you want, whether "dictionary definition" or "legal definition", marraige was and is meant for raising a family together, not "playing house". And for gay couples who want children, those couples need to think of the future repercussions of their child/children in the social manner. I don`t tolerate gays (or anyone for that matter) being discriminated by equal economic opportunity, but, socially, homosexuality provides nothing. I respect in absolution LionHart2`s comment
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    SlappyMcFish Female 13-17
    248 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    If america would just grow up and let gays marry, theres their f*cking recession buster right there
  55. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    However still:
    Marriage is defined thusly.

    As long as one definition fits the description, you can happily apply the word to the situation.

    You could argue that 2 and 5 could be those definitions, however, it isn`t any more definitive than the ability to call Atheism a religion based on Religion`s entry.

    Definition wise.

  56. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    Baalthazag:

    My point was that you cannot simply say something is fact because that is what it is defined as. Just as you showed by linking to a different definition than mine for existence, there are many different definitions for every word. It just depends on how the creator of the dictionary decides to interpret the word as. True, definitions can be applied to situations as you said, but that doesn`t erase the fact that definitions are subjective in nature.

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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    " I don`t tolerate gays (or anyone for that matter) being discriminated by equal economic opportunity, but, socially, homosexuality provides nothing."

    Anal and oral sex provides nothing, yet it seems very tolerated in our society. I`d go so far as to say that by sheer numbers, there are more hetero married couples who practice anal sex and contraception techniques than all gay men put together. If it`s about being productive, then you should have a problem with any sex that isn`t vaginal.

  58. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3371 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 4:55 pm
    Let me make it simple for you!

    If you discriminate against another adult, who has consensual sex with another like minded adult, no matter what their sex, you are a twat! Their personal life is nothing to do with you! If you discrimate against two consenting adults (no matter what their sex) who acctually love each other, your a nazi!

    Worry about your own damn life and what YOU do!

  59. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    An online dictionary is THE authority.
  60. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:16 pm
    there`s plenty of social contracts/cultures that have religion as their roots. Marriage is one of these things, just like how we don`t expect many businesses to be open late Sunday night, in court we swear over the bible etc.
    Marriage in my opinion is between a man and a woman. Let homosexuals have the same marriage rights through a different process. While I`m atheist i still believe the secularism of today has overstepped its boundaries.
  61. Profile photo of Samuelsoon
    Samuelsoon Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    I think government should get out of the whole marriage thing all together. If you want a marriage, go to a drating church. If you want all the economic and legal benefits of a legal union (which marriage includes as of right now) go to court room.
  62. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:29 pm
    "Worry about your own damn life and what YOU do!"

    Thank you.

  63. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    "While I`m atheist i still believe the secularism of today has overstepped its boundaries."

    That sounds as if you think there are problems that accompany secularism. I personally believe that secularism eliminates many of the problems caused by religion/religious conflict, so why should there be boundaries? I mean, contrariwise you could say that Christianity overstepped its boundaries centuries ago...

  64. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:46 pm
    "Worry about your own damn life and what YOU do!"

    This could go in circles forever, but...

    If I choose to have a negative opinion of a certain group of people then what concern of it is yours? Don`t worry about me. I don`t have anything against gay people, but if I did, and didn`t externalize it in any way, then it`s absolutley no concern of yours and none of your business. So, take your own advice.

    Also, if we all followed your advice this website would be dead.

  65. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm
    npdarren "I mean, contrariwise you could say that Christianity overstepped its boundaries centuries ago," This is why I`m not religious. I don`t believe in many of their practices or ethics. Even so religion has affected European culture, and therefore American culture. Religion, whether or not you follow it defines many American customs, creating something new. For example, around 90% of Israeli Jews are secular but they still allow (not forced) the government to maintain a set of religious laws.
    I guess what I`m trying to say is that liberal politics aren`t wrong, but too secular, and its having a huge effect on reshaping our culture
  66. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    How come we`re supposed to have separation of church and state, but I can`t buy liquor on Sundays?

    To answer my own question, it`s because those laws, while based in religion, have become common law by tradition.

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    lemurs366 Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    AHhahahaha. Touche gay guy, touche
  68. Profile photo of Vega
    Vega Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    Look at what I`ve found. From Merriam Webster:

    Marriage:1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
    2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
    3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

  69. Profile photo of Iroj
    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    Dear god... why no, I don`t want you to marry my daughter. I want you to marry me!
  70. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    Whether homosexuals are allowed to marry or not will have no influence on how much gay activity there is. Gay people will still be gay even if they aren`t allowed to be married. That`s why it makes no sense to disallow gay marriage for any moral reason. People get married because they love each other (usually, I hope) and to share legal status with each other. Is there some reason why gay people cannot have this?
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    LOLOLOL

    I would so let him marry any of my kids.

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    tiger50 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    Good one. Although my daughter might make you straight;-)
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    @tiger50, thats kind of an odd thing to say about ones own daughter. do we have a joe simpson complex?
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    polglowa Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:02 pm
    why shouldn`t gay people have that right? because marriage is a religious institution. i thought liberals wanted seperation of church and state? christianity does not allow for same sex marriage and the govt has no right to have involved itself ever. if gays want the same rights as a traditional married couple, they can draw up a legal and binding contract. why is this so complicated?
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    Solid_Cat Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:05 pm
    am i the only one who think his chin is kinda strange?
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    Gexxo Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:10 pm
    Oh my god I would do him twice in a row and then twice more in a row so that would be four in a row oh my god he`s hot--- *dies from lack of oxygen*
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    redips11 Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:17 pm
    goddamn wtf is the big deal about gay marriage?
    i mean only ppl who care about not having it are stupid conservatives.
    infact a major consrvative even was found making love to another man one time
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2009 at 7:24 pm
    if gays want to get married then let `em. if they can stay together as a couple whats the big deal, only dont call it `marriage`
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    MiBelle816 Female 18-29
    58 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    @Poglowa, are you implying that only christians can get married? If I am an athiest or buddhist or shinto or hindu that my marraige doesnt count. How about all the people married in a courthouse instead of church. You have probably one of the weakest arguments against gay marraige I have ever heard.
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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
    383 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    polglowa, it is not realy a religious right. The state has the power to give to the church to wed someone. hence when the preacher says "...and now by the power invested in me, i now declare..." the state gives the power to the preacher. And its not just a christian thing to get married. Jewish people get married as well, and so do people in other religions.
  81. Profile photo of Nmcan
    Nmcan Male 18-29
    2 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    "because marriage is a religious institution."
    No its not. Its a legally binding contract. Some religions have ceremonies called the same thing, but the government doesn`t care about them.
    "i thought liberals wanted seperation of church and state? christianity does not allow for same sex marriage and the govt has no right to have involved itself ever."
    Some sects are fine with and want to allow gay marriage. Your bigotry is restricting this. You are imposing your religion upon a government institution, therefore violating separation of church and state by both controlling the government and forcing the government to restrict other sects.
    "if gays want the same rights as a traditional married couple, they can draw up a legal and binding contract. why is this so complicated?"
    That`s exactly what they`re trying to do, they`re trying to be allowed to use the same contract straight couples do (Marriage contract). I don`t get why its so complicat
  82. Profile photo of MiBelle816
    MiBelle816 Female 18-29
    58 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    also why are people so hung up on the definition of the word marraige, and say that "you cant change the meaning of a word? Many words have changed their meanings over time. Theres even a word for the study of words and how their meanings have changed (Etymology). Heres so

    awful- deserving of awe
    brave- cowardice (as in bravado)
    counterfeit- legitimate copy
    cute- bow-legged
    guess- take aim
    knight- boy
    luxury- sinful self indulgence
    neck- parcel of land (as in neck of the woods)
    notorious- famous
    nuisance- injury, harm
    quick- alive (as in quicksilver)
    sophisticated- corrupted
    tell- to count (as in bank teller)
    truant- beggar

  83. Profile photo of Nmcan
    Nmcan Male 18-29
    2 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    I don`t get why its so complicated either, perhaps you, polglowa, could tell me why it is since you`re the one making it complicated?

    (sorry for the long post)

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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    lol let`em get married
  85. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7425 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:44 pm
    screw it, ill give this a go; there are two types of marriage:

    legal: as seen through the eyes of the government

    religious: as seen over by the church

    Now, nobody can do anything about a religion banning any form of marriage from their place of worship. They have that right in their freedom of religion. But, when it comes to legal marriage, there really shouldnt be any couple of consenting adults that are barred from this action. Religion has no say in this act, and to ban anyone from this action is making them less than a citizen. We all live in the same country, and are all supposed to be protected by the same blanket of rights. To deny one man of a right given to another is just wrong, and proves that there is no such thing as a free country.

  86. Profile photo of Asspenny
    Asspenny Male 18-29
    1348 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:54 pm
    mibelle have you read "the mother toungue" by bill bryson?
  87. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9311 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:57 pm
    "Oh my god I would do him twice in a row and then twice more in a row so that would be four in a row oh my god he`s hot--- *dies from lack of oxygen*"

    I agree. ^-^

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    DarkMonkey Female 18-29
    62 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    Haha

    Brilliant.

  89. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:02 pm
    Where I live and get married and start a family will be entirely dictated by which state(s) do not care of the genitals of my marriage partner.

    That seems odd, does it not?

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    Ani187 Female 30-39
    4448 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    So..you`re coming to Iowa, Opie? Super!
  91. Profile photo of yayforme
    yayforme Male 18-29
    156 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    People come on, you`re falling short. The don`t smoke weed thread has more posts than this one! I want to see more action! :P
  92. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    I look forward to the day, many years from now, when we look back as a society in abject shame for how we have denied gay people the same basic rights as the rest of us. Looking back in history:

    ---

    Black people: Denied the same rights as the whites (e.g. same seating on the bus), now seen as abhorrent and shameful in the extreme.

    Women: Denied the same rights as the men (e.g. voting), now seen as abhorrent and shameful in the extreme.

    Homosexuals: Denied the same rights as the heterosexuals (e.g. full marriage), up until now deemed not acceptable by religious apologists.

    ---

    Hang in there, gay fellows. You`re just the last in line. Your emancipation will come, as soon as we ditch the religious bigots.

  93. Profile photo of Mornaf
    Mornaf Male 18-29
    820 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:38 pm
    I`m secure in my masculinity and straightnessisity, and I have to agree with Nido, that guy is rather good looking.
  94. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    I`m secure in my bisexuality and I think he`s cute too!

    ...Wait a sec...

  95. Profile photo of Vega
    Vega Male 13-17
    28 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    I am not sure if you bothered to read this part:
    (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage
    The point of this was to drop the "definition" argument against gay marriage. While I`m at it,enough with the "don`t call it marriage" deal. If two people marry, then the union is a marriage.
    finally, MiBelle816, agreed, I just wanted to include that part of a definition I found at Merriam Webster to contradict the "man and woman" fixation.
  96. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Also, on a subtler level of counter-insult:

    don`t call it marriage

    Don`t like your so-called patented, self-professed copyrighted institutions (such as the Holy Sanctimony of Marriage, not my capitalisation) being hijacked? Then don`t call it Christmas, dicks. It wasn`t when the kid was born. It was convenient for being already there as a pagan festival.

    Also, sorry, but I have to get this off my chest. What if Mary told a wee white lie that she had been dicked by an angel, impregnating her with the seed of God blah blah blah, when in fact she just had a quick roll in the hay with the stable boy? And she had to make up something fast, being up the duff as she was, while betrothed to her husband Joseph, whom she hadn`t yet dicked?

    Just saying, cause it`s important. Whole religions have been based on this kind of sh*t.

  97. Profile photo of yayforme
    yayforme Male 18-29
    156 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    I`m secure in my, err, good taste and I say he`s not thaaat cute...
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    MzThikG727 Female 18-29
    80 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:43 pm
    IDK... if he did something with those eyebrows I could pretend to date him
  99. Profile photo of thelonious
    thelonious Male 40-49
    3278 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:45 pm
    Wait...he wants to marry someone`s daughter?
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3830 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:47 pm
    1. guy IS cute

    2. davy you just PWNED this arguement.

    3. seems like most people here agree that gay marriage should be legal. why, then, is it not in most states?
    i think its the older generation with their old fashioned views. lets just wait for the old people to die off, and continue to vote. its slow, but there is progress.

    4. seriously though, i cant even believe that this is such an issue in the states. i love being canadian and having gay marriage legal.

    5.DONT LIKE GAY MARRIAGE? THEN SHUT THE F UCK UP AND DONT GET ONE.

  101. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
    1265 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    I am angry at religion.
  102. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4019 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 9:57 pm
    In America, groups with histories of majority oppression have ALWAYS prevailed in asserting their rights in the end. It is ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

    And the state`s involvement in marriage is NOT based on religion, it is based on PROPERTY RIGHTS.

    Give it time, gays, the march of progress is inexorably forward, and conservatives have ALWAYS resisted granting broader rights, and lost.

  103. Profile photo of moonperyie
    moonperyie Female 18-29
    91 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    I just want to point out that it`s not just religious bigots who are against homosexuality.
    Even psudo-Christians and some agnostics/atheists are against it because its not in our culture (at this present time) to accept homosexuality and much less gay marriage with open arms.
    Nor do most people (religious or not) want their kids to feel encouraged to engage in homosexual practices (whether they are gay/not gay/ or experimenting) in the future as a result of not only tolerating and eventually accepting but also embracing and encouraging homosexuality in society and making it part of our culture.
    This issue is more complex then just the marriage or the sharing of benefits. A lot of people are for gay marriage because because as humans we all want to be kind, progressive, and tolerant as possible but... don`t just say yes to this issue because it sounds cool or liberal. Think about it in depth and its impact long term because it will change society forever.
    BTW,very funny lad
  104. Profile photo of Wired
    Wired Female 13-17
    49 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 10:16 pm
    lol xD that is a good point. If I was a homophobic father I`d rather have my daughter with a straight man and have their own lives away from the gay guys. Legalize gay marriage and love your family. Win-win xD
  105. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 10:19 pm
    "And the state`s involvement in marriage is NOT based on religion, it is based on PROPERTY RIGHTS."

    ...And hospital visitation rights, and tax rights, and federal rights, and and and...

    Just thought I`d add that. C:

  106. Profile photo of StarDagger
    StarDagger Male 40-49
    1189 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 10:30 pm
    I look forward to the day when people do not petition govt to try to stop others from doing what they want.

    I also think this guy is not only bright but hot as well. How can anyone not recognize the brilliance of this statement and the consciousness raising it leads people to.

  107. Profile photo of airsofter1
    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 10:52 pm
    hey guy below me. agreed. if he can have the same legal rights as a straight guy i can own anything i want. wer talking tanks rpgs fullauto glocks, the works. i got the money i can buy it. and if the government does something i don`t like, or the people don`t like. it gets overthrown. like the wacko right wing fundamentalists intended (our founding fathers)
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    Stork_Berry Female 18-29
    53 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm
    I love it!
  109. Profile photo of are7era
    are7era Male 18-29
    562 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:13 pm
    holy crap he`s kinda really hot!
  110. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
    2486 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    I`m gonna keep this short:

    If you oppose it for any reason involving the bible or religion, please, just kill yourself, your choice of deity will be much happier to have you with them than we will here.

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    boomerang05 Female 18-29
    439 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    That`s so true.
  112. Profile photo of magoo22
    magoo22 Male 30-39
    660 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:47 pm
    I don`t have a problem with gays at all. It`s just that have this tendency to try to seduce you at nightclubs with their cool,dark good looks. THEN they take you somewhere quiet to bite you and drain every drop of your precious blood!............. WOOPS sorry! that`s vampires...I was talking about vampires again!.....gays are OK by me :)
  113. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
    2700 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:52 pm
    Pure and simple,
    Im a very str8 guy, but I oppose NOT to marriage amongst gays. If they love one another, if they care and damnit if they are willing to die for one another, then the recognition of homosexualtiy shold be ccepted. The practices of homosexuality are as old as marriage itself. Let them let the world RECOGNIZE their love. Pure and simple.... let it be...or let the bigots that oppose gay marriage remarry 3-4-5 times to....well you know, preserve the sactitiy of marriage
  114. Profile photo of KittenCereal
    KittenCereal Female 18-29
    956 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    hehe.

    homos.

    ....hehehe.

  115. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    Oh, I love when people desperately grasp at straws and compare a simple marriage right to something completely different.
  116. Profile photo of aussieguy29
    aussieguy29 Male 18-29
    422 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:25 am
    i support homosexual men, as that leaves more women for us non homosexuals. However, I am a strong opponent of female homosexuality. Its wrong, horribly wrong.
  117. Profile photo of polglowa
    polglowa Male 30-39
    43 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:33 am
    nmcam...`because marriage is a religious institution.`
    "No its not. Its a legally binding contract." really? govt was around before religion? it`s a contract now because the govt made it their business. i don`t have a problem with what people do with their lives. i really don`t, so no need to call me a bigot or a right wing nut job. i think the problem is the definition of marriage itself as still a great many ppl, when they talk about marriage, they refer to it as a religious institution. in a church/temple/whatever, you make your vows before god. it`s a persons own choice to decide where they want to get married. don`t you dare tell me that im "imposing my religion upon a govt institution" because the same can be said of your govt imposing it`s laws on my religious insitution.
  118. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:38 am
    Well, the government isn`t telling the religions to do anything. It seems to be the other way around.
  119. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:38 am
    polglowa

    You forget that the US was founded with the principles of separation of church and state. The government is not only allowed to impose its laws, but it is expected to. The same cannot be said for churches; laws are not their jurisdiction.

  120. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:46 am
    I don`t know why you`d complain about how government handles religion anyways. It seems to me like the government does its best to allow religious freedom. I mean, a good example is how our government still allows Native Americans to smoke Payote (sp?) during religious ceremonies, even though it is illegal for everyone else. If it weren`t for government protection, I`m sure there would be constant conflicts between the several minority religions in this country with the majority which is Christianity.
  121. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 12:53 am
    Also, nobody is suggesting that the government force churches to marry gay couples. Because of the religious freedom that the government enforces, they could never require that. The issue here is just if they should be allowed to get married at all. If they are, they will probably get married in court or by some other means.
  122. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 1:13 am
    Can I just say, if you`re going to criticize me for bringing a dictionary (I actually looked in 4, wiki for the hell of it, and googled around too for definitions), perhaps you should first have criticized the guys who:

    1) Made up his own definition, which has changed twice so far.
    2) The guy who quoted an internet post as his source for the meaning of a word.
    3) The people cheering them on like they just presented an argument Socrates himself couldn`t have ever aspired to creating.

    Yes. I opened a dictionary. I did this because someone else said "The meaning of this word is X", and I couldn`t find (via any tool available to me, online or off), anything to back it up.

    I figured a dictionary is a good place to start.

    Mainly because it is.
    It`s a book with the meanings of words.
    People were talking about the meaning of a word.
    It`s a thing created for this purpose.

    This is not rocket science.

  123. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 1:26 am
    =\
    Baalthazag, I acknowledged already that I wasn`t trying to pass any definition as credible, I was just trying to prove a point. I don`t know why you keep dwelling on it. As for the person who quoted me, I hadn`t anticipated that. But that alone should go to show that someone viewed that definition as credible, which only reinforces the point I was trying to make (God, I feel like I`m repeating myself) that all definitions are subject to scrutiny and may have bias from whomever created the definition.
  124. Profile photo of MattPrince
    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 1:57 am
    "The book was called The Physics Way, or something like that, and it had a short chapter about theoretical physics "

    The Crowd: Tell us more!

  125. Profile photo of Samsonite219
    Samsonite219 Male 18-29
    703 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 3:22 am
    no, id rather you not marry anyone and live your life very unhappily
  126. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 3:39 am
    npdarren: The definition of marriage is (and always has been) "The state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law" First and foremost.

    If gays want the same legal status they can get civil unions in many states. In every state where the issue has came to a public vote, Gay marriage has gone down to defeat. If it`s not stopped here, Then polygamy and child marriage (Pedos marring their victims) will be next.

  127. Profile photo of Reignblazer
    Reignblazer Male 18-29
    2334 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 3:40 am
    I wonder if he`s a lumberjack. And is he okay?
  128. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 3:49 am
    Also, nobody is suggesting that the government force churches to marry gay couples.

    A few people are already suggesting exactly that on the basis that if gay marriage is not allowed and straight marriage is, that`s anti-gay discrimination. It *is* discrimination against gays. Which is what so many people are objecting to, isn`t it?

    If gay marriage is legalised in the USA, there will be more people making that argument. Probably not enough people with enough influence to force it through. Probably.

    It is a legitimate concern for theists of religions that disapprove of homosexuality.

    There`s more - even the scantiest knowledge of the subject shows that people who passionately support group politics, advocating more for a single group of people only, are rarely content with their favoured group only having the same rights as everyone else, and even more so if they advocate group pride. Ever seen any gay pride stuff? Bet you have.

  129. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:04 am
    really? govt was around before religion?
    Good point - we don`t know, because it`s almost certain that religion, government and marriage all predate recorded history.

    it`s a contract now because the govt made it their business.

    We do know that prior to government involvement marriage was a personal thing, not necessarily a religious thing. That`s why the essence of a wedding is still the vows (which is what `wedding` means).

    So I argue that the origin of marriage is neither religion nor government.

    i think the problem is the definition of marriage itself as still a great many ppl, when they talk about marriage, they refer to it as a religious institution.

    I agree, which is why I think fighting about just the word `marriage` is counter-productive except for people who really do want to force religions to submit and obey them.

  130. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:09 am
    I say just do what the United Kingdom has done. Gave all marriage rights to same-sex couples, but called it a "civil union" to keep the conservatives from blubbering.

    And those telling United States same-sex couples to "just get a civil union," well... civil unions in most U.S. states are lacking 1,138 rights. That`s totally fair, right?

  131. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:09 am
    In every state where the issue has came to a public vote, Gay marriage has gone down to defeat. If it`s not stopped here, Then polygamy and child marriage (Pedos marring their victims) will be next.

    I have a spanner to throw in your "slippery slope" argument:

    Do you argue that the same is true of "inter-racial" marriage? After all, that used to be illegal in the USA too, and not all that long ago. Do you think that making "inter-racial" marriage legal inevitably leads to paedophiles marrying their victims? If you don`t believe that, why don`t you? It the same slippery slope argument that you`re making.

  132. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:17 am
    I say just do what the United Kingdom has done. Gave all marriage rights to same-sex couples, but called it a "civil union" to keep the conservatives from blubbering.

    It`s called civil partnership in the UK, not civil union. Just in case anyone wants to check the legal status of it. It is identical to marriage, but people should check things for themselves. The only difference is one custom - marriage vows are spoken, partnership vows are signed. Either is legally binding in both cases, so it`s solely a matter of custom reflecting the change in levels of literacy over history.

    But I disagree about condescendingly dismissing the legitimate concerns as "conservatives blubbering".

  133. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:20 am
    Civil partnerships, I`m sorry.
    Sure, it was "condescending," but no more offensive than all those people equating homosexuality with incest, paedophilia and bestiality.
  134. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:24 am
    Think about it in depth and its impact long term because it will change society forever.

    Not if it`s done as equality rather than gay rights. If the prevailing force is gay rights, it will cause prejudice and discrimination against heterosexuals and the more power gay rights has, the more prejudice and discrimination it will cause. That is inevitable with group rights, because it`s what group rights is for. Oh, there would be some gay rights advocates saying "That`s not what we meant!", but they wouldn`t be running the show.

    If it`s done as equality instead, it won`t really change society. What would change, really change, if genuinely no distinction was made between homo- and heterosexuality?

  135. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:32 am
    Sure, it was "condescending," but no more offensive than all those people equating homosexuality with incest, paedophilia and bestiality.

    True, but don`t you see yourself as being better than that?

    "I`m no worse than them" isn`t a good course of action if you want the moral high ground.

  136. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:34 am
    Then I apologize. But I am bound to be a bit cranky when it`s almost five in the morning, I haven`t slept and stuff has been going on. Not an excuse, I`m just saying that I`m in a Crankypants mood.
  137. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4033 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 4:43 am
    Oh, also when the site refuses to let you change your avatar. For f-ck`s sake, errors!
  138. Profile photo of Owanie
    Owanie Male 18-29
    240 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 5:17 am
    Stop f*cking discussing the future of our society. You`re thoughts are all for naught.
  139. Profile photo of PongApp
    PongApp Male 18-29
    11 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 6:13 am
    In answer to his question, yes. He looks like a swell chap who has a good sense of fashion, is well groomed, and has an infectious smile. I approve.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:01 am
    that smile looks sorta like a pedosmile... maddox? eh anybody eh? get the reference?
    it is lost amongst you poor poor men. D:
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    lemurs366 Female 18-29
    385 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:04 am
    Shut up anumilo no one loves you
  142. Profile photo of METALLICAROX
    METALLICAROX Male 18-29
    324 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:08 am
    Who gives a damn about gay marriage? They`re not hurting anything. But I can tell ya that if a queer hits on me...it`s black eye for gay guy!!!
  143. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:37 am
    lol actually he is kinda cute. ALL THE SEXY ONES ARE GAY.
  144. Profile photo of bobhub600
    bobhub600 Male 13-17
    964 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:45 am
    " But I can tell ya that if a queer hits on me...it`s black eye for gay guy!!!"

    You seem like a nice fella` hows about we go back to my place and watch Will & Grace while we drink wine?

  145. Profile photo of yayforme
    yayforme Male 18-29
    156 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:47 am
    The smoking pot thread still has more posts....
    And wow I hadn`t realized this site is most active at four in the morning XD
  146. Profile photo of Spirithound
    Spirithound Male 18-29
    815 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 8:41 am
    "You seem like a nice fella` hows about we go back to my place and watch Will & Grace while we drink wine?"

    *punches you in the face*

  147. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
    1265 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 8:47 am
    You people all know you`ve been brainwashed, right?
  148. Profile photo of SpoonFork
    SpoonFork Male 30-39
    1265 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 8:47 am
    Religious and non-religious alike, just so nobody tries being clever.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 8:49 am
    yayforme these posts actually have a point to them..most of the weed posts are quoting the ridiculous things u should never say to anyone trying to give u weed
  150. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:02 am
    "You people all know you`ve been brainwashed, right?"

    You could stand to be a bit more specific...

  151. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:16 am
    You people all know you`ve been brainwashed, right?

    Every morning, 2 pints in the left ear, add a splash of washing up liquid, headbang for a minute, water out the right ear.

    What, doesn`t everyone?

  152. Profile photo of yayforme
    yayforme Male 18-29
    156 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:38 am
    "You people all know you`ve been brainwashed, right?"

    Of course we have, how else would we have an opinion on anything? The only difference is who you`ve been brainwashed by...

  153. Profile photo of Skreshavik
    Skreshavik Female 18-29
    1284 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:51 am
    Angilion
    Male, 40-49, Europe
    1563 Posts Saturday, December 5, 2009 9:16:04 AM
    "Every morning, 2 pints in the left ear, add a splash of washing up liquid, headbang for a minute, water out the right ear.

    What, doesn`t everyone?"
    That made me laugh.

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    mntlmstrbtr Male 30-39
    737 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:53 am
    lol... I know that guy
  155. Profile photo of StarDagger
    StarDagger Male 40-49
    1189 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 10:01 am
    @Air
    "hey guy below me. agreed. if he can have the same legal rights as a straight guy i can own anything i want. wer talking tanks rpgs fullauto glocks, the works. i got the money i can buy it. and if the government does something i don`t like, or the people don`t like. it gets overthrown. like the wacko right wing fundamentalists intended (our founding fathers)"

    I do not know how you make the leap from Civil Rights to gun ownership and then link it to the Founding Fathers (who by definition were Left-wing). You might want to actually READ the Constitution again, your so called gun rights are concomitant with a state militia, not meant to be an individual right at all.
    That aside, if you want to have all that military equipment and have some place to play with it, not harm anyone or the environment I dont care.
    I do not have the time to try to control other people`s lives.

  156. Profile photo of HOBOMOE
    HOBOMOE Male 18-29
    515 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 10:08 am
    i love these flame wars
  157. Profile photo of GlamKills
    GlamKills Female 18-29
    9 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 10:27 am
    i dont get wats the big deal if they wanna get married. if its "not what God intended" why would God make gays? cant say the devil did it. then God wouldnt be all powerful cuz theres so many gays.
    enh im straight and i still dont care. ive never even met a gay mostly because my town is filled with weirdo white republicans. ha ive been cursed out for being spanish XD
  158. Profile photo of Bard
    Bard Male 18-29
    138 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:23 am
    I never understood the Religious aspect of the argument over their right to marry. How does the right to freedom of religion not crush that topic out of hand? If your church opposes homosexual marriages, then by all means, the church should retain the right to not marry them, but that shouldn`t prevent a legally binding marriage.
  159. Profile photo of Isseepy
    Isseepy Female 18-29
    160 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:25 am
    I have a few gay friends. They`re all awesome.
  160. Profile photo of Antonin
    Antonin Male 18-29
    72 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:27 am
    The way I see it, God has much bigger things to worry about than people`s sexual preferences.
  161. Profile photo of clanie37
    clanie37 Male 18-29
    9 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:34 am
    lol i like the flame wars too
  162. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:44 am
    I like when people use the "homosexuality isn`t natural" argument. They pretend like anal sex between two men is so absurd and sinful, yet many hetero couples engage in anal sex (and not always as foreplay, but as a contraception technique). There is nothing that homosexual couples do that many hetero couples don`t do on a frequent basis, yet nobody seems to care when a hetero couple has sex that is "unnatural".
  163. Profile photo of heartx3jess
    heartx3jess Female 18-29
    1578 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 11:47 am
    silly humans. just let everyone do what they want.
  164. Profile photo of Dfaulted
    Dfaulted Male 13-17
    1920 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    hmmm the alternative is? You marrying someones son? I`m not against gay`s but seriously think about it
  165. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
    1196 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    what does "gay" mean?
  166. Profile photo of RepostPolice
    RepostPolice Male 13-17
    190 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 6:20 pm
    Gay guys are gross because anal sex is gross.

    And that means girl in girl is still ok.

    Unless they pull out a cup.

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    britt566 Female 18-29
    2291 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    RepostPolice.

    Your face is gross.

    ---------------------------

    God forbid the word "Equal" ever actually happen.

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    TBirdVBall Female 18-29
    519 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    That is the best point ever. :D
  169. Profile photo of kronosbr
    kronosbr Male 18-29
    274 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 8:38 pm
    YES id rather you marry my daughter

    better than for me to find out my son is gay and youre marrying him! that would suck a lot more...

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    cloud86 Male 18-29
    7 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    Anal sex is awesome RepostPolice.
  171. Profile photo of xdumbxdude
    xdumbxdude Male 18-29
    18 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    "Gay guys are gross because anal sex is gross.
    And that means girl in girl is still ok.

    Unless they pull out a cup."

    yeah girl in girl is totally ok, because we dont mid the fact that one girl will make a coat out of the other

  172. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15782 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 10:28 pm
    "YES id rather you marry my daughter
    better than for me to find out my son is gay and youre marrying him! that would suck a lot more..."

  173. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 5, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    vv Opie, I feel your pain. Please hold me while I weep for the species.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
    2220 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:57 am
    God I love the smell of facepalm in the morning.
  175. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:35 pm
    The species known as man has had an appreciation of homoeroticism since 12000BCE (twelve thousand, no extra zeros). Anthropologists suggest that ancient man treated homosexuality the same way that more modern 3rd world tribes did, often making them leaders of a tribe or shamans and priests. Prior to the establishment of Ancient Judea, homosexuality was commonplace and seen as natural, often deified and given high standing. Pedastry among the ancient cultures of greeks, and the asias were looked upon as a form of marriage. Other than the Hebrews, no one had a problem with the gays. The Hebrews were a small tribe of people who were constantly invaded, enslaved, or slaughtered. This lead them to develop morality and laws to set them apart from their neighbors and encourage procreation for strength in numbers. So the homophobia of the Jews, from which all homophobia in the world has stemmed, was developed out of xenophobia.
  176. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    Other than pedastric relationships, ancient cultures did have gay marriage. Same age, same sex unions have been recorded throughout Greece, Rome, the Norse peoples, as well as ancient Chinese and Japanese. Same sex marriages were being performed in Rome right up to the time it was specifically outlawed by the increasingly christian controlled government. Prior to this, marriage in Judea (biblical times) was not about a religious institution. It was about property. A woman was property. You paid her father to marry her. You could have as many wives as you wanted, as long as you had them all at the same time. Polygamy was the norm, and the number of wives you had was a symbol of accomplishment and influence. You`re wives bore you daughters to be sold off for marriage, or sons who would carry on your legacy and your property rights.
    Christ came (supposedly) and was not a fan of marriage. He said it was not for everyone and some men are born "eunichs." He did, however, deplor
  177. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:44 pm
    deplore Divorce. Early christian leaders who went into Rome have been documented as blessing same sex unions among roman citizens who wished to convert. Same sex marriage became illegal under christian rule in Rome only in the late 3rd century. Shorly afterwords, ALL homosexual activity was banned and those convicted were burned alive for public amusement. The government continued to collect taxes from male prostitutes for another hundred or so years. With the spread of Christianity through the Roman world, leading to its eventual downfall, the middle ages had a very different idea of marriage than in years prior. Here marriage among the people was generally dictated by the local Feudal lord, coupling peasants to produce a work force. Or it was among the lords to combine and share property and ensure the power of the family for years to come. This notion of marriage as we have in modern times is very, VERY new.
  178. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:53 pm
    Modern marriage is, and has always been about property rights. Your religion, whoever deity it is performed under, does not give your union ANY kind of benefits. So you`re imaginary sky father saw you said "I do" and it was good. That`s about it. As a legal institution, it gives thousands of rights, responsibilities and benefits to that couple. We already KNOW gay marriage is not the downfall of civilization. It existed for thousands of years before Christianity. We`ve had it in Mass for 5 years now, and the divorce rate actually DROPPED to pre-WWII levels. Canada hasn`t been swallowed by the earth, nor has England, or Spain. This country, thanks to it`s hidden obsession with other peoples sexual activity, and it`s ridiculous obsession with religion, is falling behind. Marriage is not a religious institution. That thing you have at the church? It`s a wedding ceremony. That`s IT. It has no effect on your relationship ever again.
  179. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    And while we`re on religious lunacy, What about all those religions, all those Christian sects, all those churches who WELCOME same sex marriage? Who WANT to be able to bless such unions? By making it illegal, aren`t you encroaching on their religious freedom?
    You know what will happen if gays can get married? GAYS WILL GET MARRIED. That`s about it. It will not effect anyone else in any way shape or form. You have a moral objection to homosexuality or gay marriage? Learn some history. Read something other than a goddamn bible. Develop a sense of Empathy. It`s astonishing how many people spout the same crap regarding marriage and actually have NO clue what the hell they are talking about.
    Ok...rant over. Pardon the Out-rage.
  180. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    Same sex marriages were being performed in Rome right up to the time it was specifically outlawed by the increasingly christian controlled government.

    Can you provide any references to that?

    Homosexual sex was normal in ancient Rome, but that`s not marriage. The further back you go in Rome, the more restrictive marriage laws were. I would be very surprised if formally recognised homosexual marriages ever existed in ancient Rome.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
    4198 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    He looks like a nice, handsome young man. No, I don`t think I would mind if he dated my daughter (after she was old enough... somewhere in her 80s I think)
  182. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 6, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    @ Angilion
    Several emperors actually married men as well as women. There is documentation of same sex marriage within Rome as early as 27 BCE. Emperor Nero married two different men in public ceremonies. Emperor Elababalus married an athlete in a public ceremony.
    First law within Rome to outlaw gay marriage was passed in 342 CE by Constantine`s heirs to the throne. 390, homosexual sex is outlawed and punished by public burning.
  183. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 7, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    From a legal standpoint, the states don`t know what they`re doing.

    Look it`s really simple math here. First, I`ve been through a divorce and it cost me through the nose. I`m paid up and good now. Took me a little bit but I`m good. Legally speaking, what makes gays and lesbians exempt from our legal system in that respect? If I have to pay out to the state and part with some of my stuff that I worked for, guess what...when they get a divorce...so do they.

  184. Profile photo of Jeessssii
    Jeessssii Female 13-17
    34 posts
    December 7, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    Is it really necessary for everyone to pick this apart?
    Just laugh at it and move on.
  185. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 7, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    There is documentation of same sex marriage within Rome as early as 27 BCE.

    Please provide a reference. Also, you said it happened right up until the Christian takeover, but Rome was founded in 753 BC *with a very Puritan morality*. That had relaxed hugely by the late Republican period, so I wouldn`t rule out gay marriage in the early Imperial period, but I haven`t seen any evidence of it.

    Several emperors actually married men as well as women.

    The rules for emperors were different, if they had enough power. You cite only two. More on that below.

    Nero married two different men in public ceremonies.

    Nero was insane. He had an affair with his mother. He ennobled his favouite horse. And those were among his least offensive and bizarre actions.

    Emperor Elababalus married an athlete in a public ceremony.

    When? I couldn`t find any references to it.

  186. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 8:47 am
    Documentation of gay marriage in Rome as early as 27 BCE is recorded by Roman poet Martial. Prior to that, Romans had complicated views on sexuality but did regard homosexuality, or at least bisexuality, as natural. Pederasty was common in Rome, mostly in Greece and was considered a form of marriage. The age difference of participants mirrored regular marriage at the time.
    Nero did not have an affair with his mother, nor did he "ennoble" a horse. That was Caligula, Nero`s uncle, and the latter is a debatable rumor, as are most of his "Bizarre acts". You`ve mixed up your emperors. While a bit power hungry and attention craving, there is no evidence that Nero was insane. He was quite popular in his rule and only fell out of favor with the Senate later on.
    Roman historian Dio Cassius recorded Nero`s marriage to two men, as well as Elagabalus`s marriage to the athlete Zoticus in a lavish public ceremony.
  187. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 8, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    I take it that you think Tacitus and Suetonius were lying about Nero, then, because their descriptions of him are as I described. Admittedly, the affair with his mother was only rumour. There`s much stronger evidence for him murdering her, though.

    He`s not a role model I`d look up to.

    Elagabalus lasted only 4 years before being murdered, during which time he managed to offend pretty much everyone in the empire. Not for being gay - Romans at the time didn`t much care about that. For sacrilege and excessively bizarre behaviour.

    Also not a good role model.

    I can`t find any references to homosexual *marriage* by Martial. Lots of homosexual sex, but not *marriage*.

    I doubt your image of a society in which homosexual marriage was normal from the beginning of Rome. That would have been far too Greek for the Romans until the very late republic.

    Consider, for example, how Julius Caesar was ridiculed for his alleged homosexual affair.

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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
    519 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:02 am
    lol Jeessssii I concur :)

  189. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:00 am
    Angilion. again. NO. The affair with his mother and the whole horse thing was Caligula. Not Nero. Tacitus, Dio Cassius, and Suetonios never recorded anything like that about Nero. They all did, however, record him ordering his mother`s murder and attempt to make it look like a suicide. Nero`s greatest scandal was the Fire of Rome for which he made the Christians a scapegoat. Despite his vilification by the Christians because of this, Nero was quite popular with the general populace of the Roman Empire.
    Whether they are role models or not, they are still examples of what and what was not legal within Rome. Gay marriage was legal, plain and simple. Otherwise the Christian rulers later on wouldn`t have specifically outlawed it.
    Ceasar was not mocked for his homosexuality. Even in his own time, homosexuality was legal and acceptable. He was mocked, however, for a very overbearing sexual appetite all around - "Every man`s wife, and ever woman`s husband."
  190. Profile photo of REBELComx
    REBELComx Male 18-29
    477 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:06 am
    And for the record, i did not say gay marriage existed within rome since the founding of the empire. all i said was that it existed UNTIL it was outlawed. I do not know when it began. ANd yes the very early romans had strict moral standards, not laws, about sex unil the mid roman period when they relaxed quite a bit. BUT same sex marriage happened. Even if I am wrong about the romans, it certainly doesn`t completely negate my argument about the rest of human society previously mentioned. Even without the Early ROman morality applied, there is still enough of a rich and either neutral or positive history of homosexuality upon the planet that we should be educated enough to treat the LGBT community as equals who deserve all the same rights as everybody else, including marriage.
  191. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    The affair with his mother and the whole horse thing was Caligula. Not Nero.

    You`re right about the horse, but both were rumoured to have had affairs with their mothers.

    Despite his vilification by the Christians because of this, Nero was quite popular with the general populace of the Roman Empire.

    Not by that time, he wasn`t. Especially after the Golden House fiasco.

    Whether they are role models or not, they are still examples of what and what was not legal within Rome.

    Two emperors, both reviled and murdered. They don`t serve as examples of what was legal or normal. Elagabalus married a Vestal virgin! That doesn`t mean it was legal, let alone normal.

    Gay marriage was legal, plain and simple. Otherwise the Christian rulers later on wouldn`t have specifically outlawed it.

    They outlawed homosexual sex. Which was legal and normal.

  192. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    Ceasar was not mocked for his homosexuality.

    It`s worth mentioning here that the Romans didn`t even have a word for "homosexual", which shows how different their views were.

    Caesar was mocked for his affair with the King of Bythnia. For some while, he was best known for that and for being spectacularly in debt (which he was also mocked for).

    Homosexual anal sex was seen quite differently in Rome depending on whether you were giving or receiving. It wasn`t as clear-cut as you think it was.

    BUT same sex marriage happened.

    Apparently only with two emperors, both of whom were way out of the norm and both of whom were assassinated.

    Many Romans were actively bisexual, although they didn`t have a word for that either. It was traditionally considered unsuitably passive for a man past his youth to be penetrated, but Caesar only got seriously mocked for it because of his high profile public image and show of tradtionalism.

    *Marriage* is an

  193. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    Even if I am wrong about the romans, it certainly doesn`t completely negate my argument about the rest of human society previously mentioned.

    I was arguing about *marriage* and *ancient Rome*. Nothing else.

    we should be educated enough to treat the LGBT community as equals who deserve all the same rights as everybody else, including marriage.

    I disagree with some of the assumptions implicit in that statement.

    Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you for any reason must be uneducated is unreasonable.

    `the LGBT community`....bleh. We`re not all similar enough for there to be a single community. It`s just defining people by one actually rather unimportant aspect of them, and that gets on my tits.

    all the same rights as everybody else, including marriage.

    what do you want - the rights or the word? Right now, it is one or the other. I`ll have the rights. I think they`re more important than a word.

  194. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:17 pm
    "what do you want - the rights or the word? Right now, it is one or the other. I`ll have the rights. I think they`re more important than a word."

    My personal belief is that if there is any discontinuity in equal rights whatsoever, than that is not okay. Even if it is just a word, barring someone from it is discrimination no matter how you look at it. If I were gay, I probably wouldn`t care about the word itself, but rather just knowing that I wasn`t being discriminated against regardless of how small or trivial that discrimination was.

  195. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 28, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Weren`t there gay marriages in an ancient Chinese province?
  196. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 28, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    I don`t quite understand where this slogan comes from either.

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