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  1. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:08 am
    The amount of stupid in this one picture is mind blowing.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:08 am
    lmaonade...
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:11 am
    I love it. I wonder if they were going for irony there.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:11 am
    They just told their staff to give at least 110% - then they went the extra 10% for luck.
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    hckrgddss Female 18-29
    27 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:12 am
    Everyone needs to just back off Fox... if you don`t like what they are reporting, don`t watch it.
  6. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:15 am
    Let me explain. Each of the following would, ON ITS OWN, loose all shreds of the maker`s credibility:

    - A poll that doesn`t add up to 100%
    - A poll that asks average, uneducated people their opinion on any issue.
    - Anything by fox news.
    - Anything that suggests climate change is not occurring.
    - Anything that suggests that scientists (as a single entity) are frauds.

    Why don`t we throw a little creationism and celebrity gossip in there and make it complete?

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:16 am
    Fox is as relative to `news` as the Onion is or the the Sun, tabloid BS.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:19 am
    If they just took "news" out of their name then they wouldn`t be so disgusting.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:21 am
    @hckrgddss

    Hey, "hacker goddess" (rofl, seriously?) ignoring them won`t stop the damage they are doing to our country.

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    iSagacious Female 13-17
    50 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:22 am
    Good to see maths is a priority in the world today.
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    hckrgddss Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:25 am
    @Zerocyde
    Thanks for making fun of my name... I appreciate the thought you put into your argument. I`m not ignoring them, I also watch it and find what they report to be wrong- however, I also don`t see the need to condemn them to the seventh level of hell just because of this.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:30 am
    I also don`t see the need to condemn them to the seventh level of hell just because of this.

    I wouldn`t send them to hell either. Death would suffice.

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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:32 am
    Any who takes anything FoxSpews reports is an idiot and most likely a Conservative which makes them a self-marginalizing idiot.
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    thor82 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:37 am
    haha damage to the country, thats good Zerocyde
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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:37 am
    HA HA HA, shopped anyway, and I love how you green queers won`t accept that your religion of "saving the climate" has been a lie the whole time, instead you gotta post a fake picture to make Fox look dumb. And way to go EPA you just made the most important gas to plants a "hazard" to the environment, CO2. It would be funnier if my paycheck didn`t have to pay for your fake science
  16. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:37 am
    @hckrgddss

    When fox news leads the crusaders in the second dark age you will be thinking; "Man, if only we had done something about them... Now, I better get to church, I wouldn`t want to be burned alive by the roaming death squads for breaking fox law."

    lol, it could happen!

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    thor82 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:39 am
    So your saying StarDagger, that all other news channels speak nothing but the truth?
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    thor82 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:39 am
    haha damage to the country, thats good Zerocyde
  19. Profile photo of Zerocyde
    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:40 am
    "HA HA HA, shopped anyway"

    drating retard. If you would crawl out of your ass you would know that this is legit.

    drating blind ignorant fox news sheep. See hckrgddss? ForAllThSin will be one of the people roaming the streets wearing a flame thrower, killing people for not believing what you are supposed too. :P

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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:41 am
    I suggested posting this after I recalled someone in another thread raving about how unfair "libtards" were being because a similarly botched poll was done by some LOCAL Fox affiliate, NOT Fox News Channel and that FNC would NEVER, etc, etc....

    And while I normally agree that if you don`t like FNC, don`t watch it, too many other people actually believe this crap, and that affects the rest of us. So, no, everyone doesn`t need to "back off Fox."

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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:43 am
    would be???
    I already do, gotta burn those fuels to destroy the earth and all.

    so you`re saying i`m dumb cause i`m skeptical that a bunch of libs might try to debase fox polls. but you`re enlightened because you blindly follow your green way of life even though it`s been shown for the scam it is. fine i`ll be dumb and you can be enlightened. hope your prius gets you where you want to go at a whopping 55mph

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:45 am
    Fox News are stupid, CNN are massively biased. Are there any decent news channels from the USA?
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    585 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:48 am
    Whats with you lot on other side of Pond saying the Sun doesn`t report news. The Sun reports news but heavily inputs their own views and actively looks for stories which supports its agenda.It`s not worth the paper its printed on but doesent invent News like the Onion.

    Fox is for conservatives and will contain a spin on their views. There is a lot of evidence to prove that Global Warming isn`t man made. If i want to do a study on the decline of red squirrels in the UK no interest, if i propose a study for the decline of red squirrels in UK due to Global Warming they throw money at you. The inconvenient truth has been proven to be filled with inaccuracies and Al Gore the Saviour with hummers and a massive mansion refuses to debate with the anti-man made climate change lobby. Scientists as a whole committing fraud no, a large amount tailoring there research to further their aims ie put food on the table plausible...

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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:58 am
    Anyone here who either thinks global warming exists or doesn`t exist, but isn`t a scientist who has studied the subject thoroughly and spent years carrying out experiments, has an opinion that literally doesn`t matter.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:59 am
    I like Fox news. Fox news` Chicago based weather section is lead by a woman named Amy Freeze. Kick. Ass. Name. That is and will probably always be the only redeeming quality to Fox news in my opinion.
  26. Profile photo of BubbaLuvSpon
    BubbaLuvSpon Male 30-39
    159 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:01 am
    I don`t see what all the Global Warming fuss is about. Won`t we simply evolve to a species better suited for the climate?
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:09 am
    Are you all intentionally being stupid? All of the `Very Likely` votes are counted in the `Somewhat Likely` area as well. Because if someone thinks something is VERY likely, they also would agree it`s probably somewhat likely. Sheesh. Fox does have it`s bias moments, but you`re not even trying to be honest here.
  28. Profile photo of TxP
    TxP Female 70 & Over
    1190 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:12 am
    bubbaluvspon, there is so much wrong with what you just said that i dont even have time to start...
  29. Profile photo of tenty
    tenty Male 18-29
    425 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:15 am
    That would be the case bubba, if we didn`t make climate change so speedy.
  30. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:15 am
    NoArms5534 > That would add up to 94%, it still doesn`t work.
  31. Profile photo of iplaymusic
    iplaymusic Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:25 am
    Like John Stewart said "120% Is Perfect"
  32. Profile photo of mathsik
    mathsik Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:30 am
    Stupid people,
    Look at the pole source, not the broadcaster. Its a Ramussen pole, which shows that it is probably incomplete data being displayed as well as the fact that the polling group carries a right bias.
  33. Profile photo of Galuf
    Galuf Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:34 am
    noarms even if those numbers did add up it`s a stupid way to make a poll. If I really think something is going to happen I don`t want to be counted as a maybe as well. I don`t think it`s somewhat likely, I think it`s very likely. Maybe if this was like this many people think there`s a 20% chance or above and then this many think there is a 40% chance or above than you could stack them but not here
  34. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:35 am
    "Are you all intentionally being stupid? All of the `Very Likely` votes are counted in the `Somewhat Likely` area as well. Because if someone thinks something is VERY likely, they also would agree it`s probably somewhat likely. Sheesh. Fox does have it`s bias moments, but you`re not even trying to be honest here."

    So off the 100% involved in the poll how many percent gave 2 answers instead of 1? This is the percentage of the statistical pool that I think are retards.

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    Annie1889 Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:36 am
    It`s a 120%. Which leads me to believe that someone at FOX is making poo up.
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    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
    353 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:37 am
    Screwed up polls or not, Global Warming is a heap of BS, and I know for a fact scientists falsified research to support it.

    Human caused Global Warming is a lie.

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    Galuf Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:42 am
    mathsik learn how to spell poll before you call anyone stupid
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:45 am
    I`m doing about whether global warming is caused by humans or not in physics. I watched an inconvenient truth and was like: `woah, do I reeeeeally need to flush the toilet everytime? It`s wasting water and killing polar bears." Then I watched the great global warming swindle and was like: `woah, I do need to flush the toilet, it stinks!` So I did and I don`t know what`s going on with the polar bears. Maybe it puts them in a coma or something...
  39. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:48 am
    HEY GUYS GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM 200 SCIENTISTS SAID IT IS A LIE

    ...JUST IGNORE THOSE 50,000 SCIENTISTS WHO BACK GLOBAL WARMING

  40. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:51 am
    global warming is awesome. with any luck the UK will soon have balmy warm weather all year around, be much smaller so nearly all beach AND all the man eating polar bears will have died out. It`s a win / win situation people!
  41. Profile photo of ollylimpfish
    ollylimpfish Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:53 am
    76% of all statistics are made up
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    BABY_BEAR Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:54 am
    It gives The Onion a run for its money in the Best Spoof News catagory.
  43. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:55 am
    @kikayoaka - yeah, you can`t vote but I totally trust your opinions! :P
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    chadders42 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 10:57 am
    kikayoaka "Screwed up polls or not, Global Warming is a heap of BS, and I know for a fact scientists falsified research to support it.
    Human caused Global Warming is a lie."

    You know for a fact do you?

  45. Profile photo of RyanF701
    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:10 am
    "
    bubbaluvspon, there is so much wrong with what you just said that i dont even have time to start..."

    Er.. how? He just said why don`t we evolve into a species better suited for the climate. What`s wrong with that? Animals have been doing it for millions of years. Please don`t tell me you`re one of those people who say any animal (including humans) don`t adapt or evolve in the slightest.

  46. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:20 am
    Yeah, all this man-made global warming stuff is just BS! A load of people who argue over evidence for a living got together and just decided to start saying that man was probably causing global warming just so that they`d have something to talk about!

    And the same for this recession crap too! Economists and other random business owners just decided to make some story that there was a recession on, just so that they could get some attention and save money by firing people! What dicks!

    /satire

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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:32 am
    RyanF701: I think TxP was trying to point out that evolving to be a little warmer over tens of thousands of years doesn`t really cancel out all the immediate problems and makes global warming nothing to fuss about.
  48. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:33 am
    I hope global warming kills every human on the planet because I can`t stand their idiocy anymore.
  49. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:41 am
    Are you all intentionally being stupid? All of the `Very Likely` votes are counted in the `Somewhat Likely` area as well. Because if someone thinks something is VERY likely, they also would agree it`s probably somewhat likely. Sheesh. Fox does have it`s bias moments, but you`re not even trying to be honest here.

    The maths still fails if this was true. This would mean that:

    26% said not very likely.
    24% said it would be somewhat likely, but not very likely (59-35=24).
    35% said more than somewhat likely, it was very likely.

    Giving a grand total of 85%.

  50. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:45 am
    opie: having superheroes doing your weather is a pretty big redeeming quality.

    "And it`s snowing heavily in downtown Chicago."
    "No it`s not."
    *concentrates*
    "Yes it is."
    "Holy crap, Amy!"
    "Call me... Miss Freeze."
    *dramatic pose, gust of wind blows hair, heroic theme music plays*

  51. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:49 am
    "Giving a grand total of 85%"

    Did you account for the 25% who ran away when they found out it was for Fox News?

  52. Profile photo of sfcg
    sfcg Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:50 am
    To anyone who defends FOX news, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
  53. Profile photo of Paul1582
    Paul1582 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:58 am
    I think the funny part is what the actual options were... "Somewhat Likely"? Really?
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    FumblingMala Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Waffle247, that`d be 15%.
  55. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    Human caused Global Warming is a lie.

    As a professional earth scientist with a PhD, I`m gonna come right out and there say:

    No. No it`s not.

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    EvilDictator Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    ok i hate fox news as much as anyone here, but really waffle, really? 85 + 25 = 110 not 100 simple math. swry for bein an ass just found it funny someone made a math mistake while correcting someone elses.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:26 pm
    Mathematics! who needs it :)
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    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:42 pm
    Actually, you guys are all idiots. Ever hear of Robert Lindzen American atmospheric physicist and Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology? He disagrees with human caused climate change. I tend to agree with his theories. And everyone who criticizes FOX, why don`t you open your eyes when you go home and watch "The Inconvenient Truth." Remember that part where the ice cubes melt and the water level rises? Now that is what I call bull crap! Just proves that libbies are ignorant and don`t understand basic scientific concepts.

    Oh and by the way, anyone can make a slip of the tongue and say something wrong. Remember when king Obama said that he had been to 57 states? Hahahahahahahahahah! What and idiot! Who ever vote for a dolt who can`t even do simple addition!

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    Noamfer Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    It`s funny there`s no simple "no" option..
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:01 pm
    Coolhandluke
    Male, 18-29, Western US

    What and idiot! Who ever vote for a dolt who can`t even do simple addition!
    --------------------------------------------------

    I know. It would be just as bad as listening to someone who doesn`t even have a basic grasp of english!

  61. Profile photo of lUnderground
    lUnderground Female 18-29
    449 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Blah, I feel guilty even saying this... but up here in Canada I wouldn`t mind a bit of "warming".
  62. Profile photo of Paul1582
    Paul1582 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:03 pm
    I know. It would be just as bad as listening to someone who doesn`t even have a basic grasp of english!

    The first thing I noticed was that he said "king Obama."

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    kooleyo Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:10 pm
    fox news is giving 110%!
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    billy66bare Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    Well it all makes since now!!! Using Fox`s math, you can pump as much crap as you want into the atmosphere!! Once the world is 100% covered in water, we can just use the other 20% that`s land to live on!! And per republican values, that`s the way it`s suppose to be anyways...just them the super elite!

    @coolhandluke: Don`t ever use that as a screen name to act like a looser.

  65. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    Actually, you guys are all idiots. Ever hear of Robert Lindzen American atmospheric physicist... He disagrees with human caused climate change. I tend to agree with his theories.

    I on the other hand tend to agree with the IPCC`s findings which says the opposite. The latest IPCC report being written, as it was, by 620 scientists from 40 countries. They wrote almost 1000 pages on the topic. Those pages in turn were reviewed by another 400+ scientists from 113 countries.

    I`ll trust them over one maverick (albeit, very good) scientist.

    p.s. It`s Richard. Not Robert.

  66. Profile photo of ElSombrero
    ElSombrero Male 13-17
    716 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    Global Warming or not... still... work toward the goal...

    Whether we`re causing global warming or not, this place is still a mess! Clean it up!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    when they say global warming do they mean here or on Mars? Either or they both are warming at the same rate...couldn`t happen to be that the sun is getting warmer now is it? No of course not, Al gore said so in his movie
  68. Profile photo of Burguntea01
    Burguntea01 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    @davymid No all those scientist are government run so, they tell them what to say just to make the public scared and keep them in line.
  69. Profile photo of kikayoaka
    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
    353 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    @davymid

    Please explain to me that if Humans are causing the climate change, why during the industrial boom in the 1940`s, where greenhouse gas emissions were at all time high since before that point, the temperature did not increase, but decrease?

    Also what about the medieval warm period? There were no cars or factories back then, so why did the temperature raise the way it did?

    Past temperature changes have shown no relation between human industrialization and climate change.

    Now unless you can show me some groundbreaking new studies that prove the earth got warmer and not cooler during the industrial boom, and that the medieval warm period never happened, I`ll stick with "Man caused global warming is a lie"

    The earth`s climate is always changing, there have been many times in it`s history where it`s been much warmer and much cooler than it is now. The jump from the medieval warm period to the little ice age was huge, and with no help from us humans.

  70. Profile photo of Coolhandluke
    Coolhandluke Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 2:11 pm
    Why didn`t anyone acknowledge the ice cube scene in an inconvenient truth? Is it because is a fallacy and it ruins Al Gore`s ethos? Or is it because you are afraid that your beliefs are based on lies?
  71. Profile photo of kikayoaka
    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
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    December 9, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    Unless the earth has just completely changed in the4 last thousand years and is now suddenly affected by us.
  72. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s Very Likely. Just 26% say it’s not very or not at all likely that some scientists falsified data.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...

    The source, 4th paragraph down.

    Not Fox`s fault here, That`s exactly what the poll stated.

  73. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    The number look odd but it`s likely due to how the question(s) was/were asked.

    If it was asked as 3 separate questions, It`s likely there would be some overlap with people agreeing to 2 queries at once.

    Example: Do you agree it`s snowing heavily ?
    Do you agree it`s snowing ?
    Do you agree it`s snowing lightly ?
    Do you agree it`s not snowing ?

    One person could answer yes to 2 questions there, If those questions were posed in that order.

    Understand ?

  74. Profile photo of travis35911
    travis35911 Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 2:42 pm
    "Oh and by the way, anyone can make a slip of the tongue and say something wrong. Remember when king Obama said that he had been to 57 states? Hahahahahahahahahah! What and idiot! Who ever vote for a dolt who can`t even do simple addition!"

    Umm... You know.... The USA says that English is "more important" than math in our schools..... so..... tbh you should work on your English before you go around making fun of someone else.

  75. Profile photo of pomunium
    pomunium Female 13-17
    77 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    This is silly. We all know that global warming was Chad`s fault.
  76. Profile photo of v_ataraxic
    v_ataraxic Female 18-29
    208 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    It looks like a couple scientists kept changing their minds.
  77. Profile photo of Gajroy
    Gajroy Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    That equals 120 percent.
  78. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    "FOX News Uses Fuzzy Math in Online Poll Again"

    You`ve done this twice now. FOX`s math is correct. IAB`s is wrong. You can have results that add up to more than 100%. This was the case last time too.

    What`s worse, is this was the case the last time too, and you have the cheek to say "again". You were making it up the first time, you`re making it up this time. Again?

    Unless of course by "Fuzzy" math you are simply referring to it being above preschool level, and therefore seems "Fuzzy" to your clearly inadequate levels of mathematical knowledge.

  79. Profile photo of Stane
    Stane Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    120%? Hahaha
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 3:16 pm
    I don`t see whats wrong with this. It proves its point very well. That point being if you believe in global warming your are a terrorist.

    Also, if you don`t see that point from these numbers, you are also a terrorist.

  81. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    Seriously.
    "Yesterday Fox said 90% of America were employed, and today it says 70% are worried about the economy. The other week it said about 50% were women, and the week before that it said 80% were white"
    Now, that is a fairly accurate picture of the USA.
    It adds up to 290%. It is true. Is it something to do with a quantum tunneling accident and the Large Hadron Collider`s malfunction?

    No. This is how it works.

    The thing you are looking at on FOX is a collection of what people stated their opinions were in an (unpublished?) format.

    110% is fine. Dumbasses.

    It pisses me off so much that most of you don`t get it, AND that you`re sitting there criticizing it WHEN you don`t get it.

    It`s like watching Leonardo Davinci being shat on by cheering monkeys in some bizarre celebration of stupid.

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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    "It`s like watching Leonardo Davinci being shat on by cheering monkeys in some bizarre celebration of stupid."

    I kinda want to see that now that you bring it up.

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    last_ninja Male 18-29
    610 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    ummm.... baalthazag, i`m not sure how to tell you this... but ummm... you`re wrong.

    in a single poll, you can`t have over 100%. i understand what you said about "90% of America were unemployed, and today it says 70% are worried about the economy. The other week it said about 50% were women, and the week before that it said 80% were white" because those are different things. but if you asked 10 people the same question, and 5 say yes, 4 say no and 6 say maybe, then it`s wrong.

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    psychoshadow Male 30-39
    62 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    even if the numbers are right, presenting them in such a format is misleading at best.
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    OMGitsJASON Male 18-29
    177 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    its actually proven that all the facts in like the inconvinient truth are proven false... a company made false info and everybody bought it, now that company is getting sued for trillions
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    iplaymusic Male 18-29
    292 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 3:59 pm
    Fox News. *teabag* That`s all that needs to be said.
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    Skreshavik Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Reasons why T.V. isn`t worth your time.
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    Coodude26 Male 13-17
    340 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    "Yesterday Fox said 90% of America were employed, and today it says 70% are worried about the economy. The other week it said about 50% were women, and the week before that it said 80% were white"

    Is there some magical force preventing any white women who are employed & worried about the economy?

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    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    "Example: Do you agree it`s snowing heavily ?
    Do you agree it`s snowing ?
    Do you agree it`s snowing lightly ?
    Do you agree it`s not snowing ?"

    Ah, so that`s how it can add up to more than 100%.

    I still don`t like it though, those questions seem to be misleading and favor a bias, as I`m sure the questions posed by whoever did this survey were.

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    Slade8 Male 18-29
    951 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:41 pm
    "even if the numbers are right, presenting them in such a format is misleading at best."

    120% is not right, if that`s what you were implying.

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    JTheGreat Female 13-17
    285 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    *Adds Up Percentages*

    *Head Asplodes*

  92. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 5:06 pm
    I think its rediculous to ask the general population for their views on global warming when the majority of people couldn`t draw a picture of a hydrogen atom, YET we are supposed to believe they have enough of an understanding of climate science to make an informed opinion.

    Here is a sad fact - Republicans have convinced a large proportion of the uneducated that Science = Liberalism = The Devil.

    IMO, many of the climate change "skeptics" (1) wouldn`t understand the basics if you drew them a picture, and (2) will simply disbelieve whatever any scientists say out of some kneejerk reaction to authority. Ain`t no pointy headed scientist gonna explain to me the chemical composition of the atmosphere!

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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    a fair % of the people were so stupid they picked more than one choice. The point here is that the poll was taken by Fox, therefore making them stupid in a different way.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    The sad part is you could be armed with definitive data, and have drawn demonstrable conclusions, suppoted by peer-reviewed research, and there would be people who simply lack the capacity to understand - BUT, those people don`t believe they lack the capacity to understand, so those scientists must be lying!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    BUt for the record - CrakrJak and Balthazag are correct, and this poll isn`t necessarily false (although it doesn`t really prove anything.)

    If you believed that something was "very likely" to happen, then by definition you also believe that same thing is "somewhat likely" to happen. But it doesn`t work in reverse. These numbers aren`t meant to add up to 100%.

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    And I challenge anyone who thinks "Climategate" disproves global warming to explain it....explain what the controversy is....I`ll wait.

    BUT your sentences have to be cogent, and you have to demonstrate an understanding of manipulating data sets for input into computer models that extrapolate input data into long-term projections...and the basis of your argument cannot be "librls r stupd!"...ok, go!

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    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    my god goaliejerry, don`t go overboard with the posts there.
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    spultra13 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    Yo jerry you misspelled "ridiculous" a couple posts back, so you`re stupid and therefore wrong, END OF DISCUSSION.
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    83nu Male 40-49
    89 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:01 pm
    But liberals r stupid. You idiots are so brainwashed that you have closed your minds to any opinion but your own. Fox isn`t perfect but way better than main stream media. Oh and by the way, all you American kids are completely screwed and will be in debt your entire lives. Bravo on your voting. Chumps.
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    Did he just call me an idiot?
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    Adoras Male 18-29
    265 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    this is soooo dumb. not fox news but rather the crap that iab posts sometimes. and it seems like its always fancys asst. all i will say is put the climategate fuzzy math up here next fancys asst.
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    batyzero Male 13-17
    28 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    @Yo jerry you misspelled "ridiculous" a couple posts back, so you`re stupid and therefore wrong, END OF DISCUSSION.@


    He did not and you`re positively redunkulous for saying so!

  103. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    @davymid, Please explain to me that if Humans are causing the climate change...Past temperature changes have shown no relation between human industrialization and climate change.

    OK, seeing as you asked. Here`s a few facts for ya. Facts, mind.

    1. Carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values.
    2. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in 2005 (379 ppm) exceeds by far the natural range of the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm)
    3. The amount of methane in the atmosphere in 2005 (1774 ppb) exceeds by far the natural range of the last 650,000 years (320 to 790 ppb)
    4. Eleven of the twelve years in the period (1995-2006) rank among the top 12 warmest years in the instrumental record.

    I won`t go into the isotopic fingerprints of carbon molecules involved (given the post limit) which show that this due to human activities.

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    Ferram Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    Do none of you no-global-warming morons pay attention to the heat? All there is to it. It`s been drating hot for the last decade.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    It`s incredible how few of the skeptics are scientists in a relevant field, isn`t it.

    Guys, when 99% of the relevant experts in a field agree on something, and the tiny fraction disagree, it`s usually safe to ignore the tiny fraction. If they had a good case against the prevailing theory, it would be well published, it would make them hugely famous, and the 99% would change their mind. That is how science works.


    And people who say crap like this:
    @davymid No all those scientist are government run so, they tell them what to say just to make the public scared and keep them in line.
    make me sick. To trash someone`s professional reputation like that just because you disagree with them is intellectual cowardice and displays an embarrassing lack of understanding of the scientific process and community.

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    DertMerchant Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 6:58 pm
    Go Davy! Go Bob! Intense.
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    dinglefly Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    Ha haha... Fox is always giving us 120%
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    83nu, nice fail at your attempt to start a flame war you retard.

    Also, it doesn`t matter if climate change is caused by humans or not...the climate is changing and people need to get their heads out of their collective asses about it and be more conscientious about the future of our planet.

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    lerie Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    @Ferram
    Indeed. This heat sucks.

    Aside from that...

    Global warming is a normal process in the planet, except our over industrialization has accelerated it. The consequences are gonna be bad when the Ice Age comes.

    super global warming = super cold ice age

    And it is near...it has been 40 000 years since the last Ice Age...

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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    Go Davy! Go Bob! Intense.

    Yep, if there`s anything worse than coming up against someone who might actually know what they`re talking about, it`s coming up against two of us.

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:24 pm
    As I said before, Fox News haters are the most gullible f**ktards on the Internets.

    You`ve all fallen hook, line, and sinker for the global warming hoax, so it doesn`t surprise me in the least that you were taken in by a 3rd-rate Photoshop job like this.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    Davymid, I love you. Thank you, and thank you, almightybob, for standing up for science.

    I never get here in time to say anything useful, but I want you two to know that your fight against Stupid and Misinformed does not go unappreciated.

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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:31 pm
    I don`t know how you fall hook, line, and sinker for a well-documented fact, Ollie. If you`re wondering what "fact" I`m talking about, I refer you to one of Davymid`s earlier posts concerning the IPCC.

    Just because Al Gore made a movie about it doesn`t make the fact unreal or illegitimate.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    I never get here in time to say anything useful, but I want you two to know that your fight against Stupid and Misinformed does not go unappreciated.

    That`s good to know, yellowsquare. Sometimes it feels like we`re so outnumbered that we should revert to guerilla warfare rather than a pitched battle.
    But then I think "screw that, not on my watch".

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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    Pretty much the argument is, people that believe in global warming have a plethora of facts to back it up. The ones that don`t believe in it say, "It was cold today, there is no global warming."
  116. Profile photo of ElDavo
    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    Sephiroth: People don`t have statistics that support anything more than a general pattern of global climate change. It`s happened before, and even if the Earth warms up for a while, it`ll cool back down. The human race won`t die off, we`re resilient enough to survive climate change.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    Whatever happened to Yes, No and Undecided?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    Ah, well, I did some research, and it turns out somebody in the FNC graphics department (probably some lib art school graduate) screwed up the chart. The real results are:

    35% very likely
    24% somewhat likely
    21% not very likely
    5% not likely at all
    15% not sure

    Apparently, they combined the first two categories - those who thought the fraud was either very or somewhat likely - to get 59%. Then then combined the not very likely and not likely at all groups to get 26%. The mistake was in showing the very likely group by itself.

    What the poll shows is this:

    59% very or somewhat likely
    26% not very likely or not likely at all

    that is, people believe by more than 2:1 that the global warmists falsified their data.

    One screwed up graphic may make you Fox haters jizz in your diapers, but it hardly discredits an entire news organization. THIS, on the other hand, does:

  119. Profile photo of MrYouKnow
    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:27 pm
    looks like 1/5 of the voters hax0rzed at life and voted twice.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:53 pm
    You can debate politics all you want, but Amy Freeze, Fox Chicago`s weather lady, is still the best weather lady ever.

    Only because of her name.

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    XbigXmommaX Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:56 pm
    np--lmfao liberal arts schools are not for artists silly! liberal arts just refers to the broad scope of disciplines that are available and sometimes required for graduation. for example, im majoring in environmental studies but instead of taking only science classes i`ve taken classes in english literature, zen religion, political science, and music theory to name a few and some people look down on liberal arts colleges/universities because they think they produce graduates that know a little bit of everything and a lot of nothing
  122. Profile photo of Batmanners
    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    This is undeniable truth that FOX News gives us, not 110%, but 120% of the news that matters...somewhat.
  123. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    XbigXmommaX "lmfao liberal arts schools are not for artists silly!"

    My sincerest apologies for being unclear. I was not talking about someone who graduated from a liberal arts school; I was talking about a liberal who graduated from art school. Sorry for the confusion.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 10:43 pm
    "I was not talking about someone who graduated from a liberal arts school; I was talking about a liberal who graduated from art school."

    Who`s on first? What`s on second?

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    urnotthetime Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:19 pm
    I found the Rasmussen article that reports exactly those numbers.

    The only thing I can figure is this: the article said the 59% thought that it was at *least* somewhat likely, so that must include the "very likelys". So:

    35% Very Likely
    24% Somewhat (total of these is the 59%)
    26% Not-very + Not at all

    which leaves 15% as undecided. Who knows. Rasmussen is usually pretty good about posting raw numbers, but not in this case I guess.

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    jareddevour Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:33 pm
    wait wait. XbigXmommaX, you`re taking a class in "zen religion" because last time I check zen is not a religion.

    And the last time I checked was right now.

    Sorry, just had to call you out on that one.

  127. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2009 at 11:49 pm
    "It`s incredible how few of the skeptics are scientists in a relevant field, isn`t it."

    Oh, come on, have you looked at the members of the IPCC recently?

  128. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 11:50 pm
    Last-Ninja:
    "in a single poll, you can`t have over 100%"
    Sure you can, especially if the format is a sequence of yes or no questions or a series of checkboxes with "check all that apply".

    Even if the topic is related, as long as it is not mutually exclusive (which this isn`t), you can have overlap. In this case, people who think they modified the data at all, and the people who think they did it alot are made into one group, as people have pointed out.

    This poll is equivalent to:
    "Would you go to Disneyland?"
    "Would you go to Disneyland more than once?"
    "Would you go to Disneyland more than 5 times?"

    #of people who said yes to >5 should also be included in >1 and >0. As such the numbers could easily be 75% +50% +25%. Even in a poll with a related subject.

    Last time IAB did this it was "Would you support Republican ____?"
    There were people who would support more than 1 candidate. Therefore

  129. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 9, 2009 at 11:54 pm
    Anyway, Anthropomorphic Global Warming is a complete farce, there is absolutely no scientific grounding to it whatsoever. I have yet to see any compelling evidence that links CO2 and climate change. Yes, the world has warmed (and is currently cooling) but this proves nothing, beyond a natural phenomenon, it isn`t even hot in the scheme of things. So many scientists are still clinging to the hockey-stick as undeniable proof, it is a rubbish piece of faux-science.
  130. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 12:10 am
    * continued: Therefore the numbers added up to over 100%.

    Almightybob:

    "If they had a good case against the prevailing theory, it would be well published, it would make them hugely famous, and the 99% would change their mind. That is how science works."

    1) Fame isn`t exactly the prerequisite for good science.
    2) 100% of people will never agree on something. This is true of scientists too. This may be a good thing.
    3) It`s not just a matter of having a good case.
    - Look up Ernest Duchesne, earlier inventor of Penicillin who was ignored for his age for example.

    In a perfect world, maybe something akin to your suggestion is how science works.

  131. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 12:18 am
    Odeed:
    "I have not seen compelling evidence to..."

    Try reading instead of just jumping straight to the typing part of this little exercise.

    Seriously, you`re just going to completely write off everything everyone has said (well reasoned, informative comments by the likes of Davymid) with an "Anyway"?

    You`ve contributed nothing to the opposing argument. You made 2 or 3 blanket statements.

    If you haven`t found the evidence: Run along, and read up on the topic instead of expecting the IPCC to do home delivery of knowledge into your slack jawed head through drating osmosis.

    "The burden of proof is on you" is fine, so long as you realize the burden of learning is yours. No one is under any obligation to spend large amount of time spoonfeeding you knowledge like a mommy with a 1 year old making aeroplane noises.

  132. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 1:08 am
    Baalthazaq, I was just adding to my original comment, not contributing to any argument. Now, if you`d like, I`ll actually tell you why I believe AGW is false, it is a futile exercise, though, who am I going to convert? This is the problem; both sides are so stubborn, they refuse to listen to the other. The supporters of AGW are the worst, though; so far, Al gore has refused any sort of actual debate about the subject... Come to think of it, there has been no debate at all, really. Whenever skeptics try and facilitate real discussion, and many have, they are told that it is `diversion` and that `the debate is over`.
    It makes me sick to see the sort of scientific debasement that has happened, in favour of politically fueled alarmism.... Now, sorry for not reading the other comments, I had not realized there was such a fierce debate. I am running out of characters, so I`ll use another post to actually present evidence, rather than this slander.
  133. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 1:23 am
    Here are my problems with AGW: Firstly, the IPCC is a joke, most of the members, (you can look this up) are bureaucrats; people who have no scientific background, people who are clearly going to agree on the findings.
    However horrible the organization is, however, one has to look at evidence. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the temperature moves in cycles... There are warmer periods, and cooler periods. To find out why the temperature has jumped, we have to look at the start, the period when the warming began. AGW supporters will tell you that this links with the dawning of the industrial age, however, this connection is vague, at best. What the temperatures do correlate with, though, is the conclusion of the `little ice age`, and also with the start of modern meteorology, as such, the rise makes sense within this period, but is also extremely fallible, due to the imprecise measurements before that time.
    Oops, out of characters... Will write more.
  134. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 1:32 am
    Now, surely that could be caused by CO2, right? I mean, Al Gore showed us a huge graph spanning hundreds of years showing close correlation between temps and CO2. Well, there is certainly a correlation, yes, though, it is the other way around. The key here, is the scale of the graph; zoomed out, the graph shows that when CO2 rises, so does the temperature... However, if we actually look at the graph at a more reasonable scale, we see that it is actually the temperature which rises first... This is fairly easy to explain, know what happens in the environment when the temperature rises? Life flourishes! With more life, comes more Carbon Dioxide output, simple.
    New post coming up...
  135. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 1:38 am
    Baal:

    1) I never meant to imply that fame was all that important to the actual scientific process. My point was that if any scientist were to produce significant evidence that contradicted a widely accepted theory, they would be immortalised in the scientific world. There is far more personal gain to be made by a scientist through overturning a theory rather than confirming it, so there is no incentive to hold back as someone suggested.

    2) I agree with you on this point completely. I`m not sure if you thought I was saying the opposite here, but I wasn`t.
    However, it`s important to remember that science is not a democracy. It`s a meritocracy. Not all opinions are of equal weight or equal validity.

    3) The fact that we know about Duchesne shows that his case was sound. It just took a while to get out. With the ease of communication these days, that wouldn`t really happen now.

  136. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 1:45 am
    Surely, though, we know CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, therefore, it should have this effect with increased input? Well, yes, it is indeed a Greenhouse Gas, no one is denying that this effect is real. Whilst this is a legitimate phenomenon, there is no reason that CO2 is a particularly potent greenhouse gas.... In fact, it isn`t really that bad at all. The two particularly strong Greenhouse Gases are Methane and Water Vapor, go figure.
    Now, the infamous hockey-stick graph, it is, in a word, dodgy. The `hockey-stick` phenomenon, is due entirely to tree-rings, if we look at other, more precise, factors, this effect becomes an outlier. In a word, false.
  137. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 1:55 am
    "2) I agree with you on this point completely. I`m not sure if you thought I was saying the opposite here, but I wasn`t.
    However, it`s important to remember that science is not a democracy. It`s a meritocracy. Not all opinions are of equal weight or equal validity."

    This is another thing that I want to bring up, peer reviews. AGW proponents will oft reference the number of peer-reviewed papers, published by the IPCC. Now, let me present a scenario, to highlight the major flaw in peer-reviews.
    Let`s say you`re a scientist, a profession that is not very well-paid, money mostly comes from outside funding, and government grants. Now, I want to publish a paper, one which is very critical of the `consensus`, I bring it to a peer to review, and possibly publish... Now, this department wants continued support, obviously, and to have a sceptic (or DENIER as they are so affectionately known) on your team is a threat to their continued funding, and possibly, my job....... Cont

  138. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 1:59 am
    Now, I`d say that it would be a much better plan to agree with my superiors, to ensure that I can feed my family, and continue my employment. This effect is magnified in the IPCC, where scientists obviously have to agree with the consensus, otherwise, there is no way that their report is going to be published. In fact, scientists that have defected, have left, requesting that their name be removed from the list of supporters, only to be refused.
  139. Profile photo of Valonqar
    Valonqar Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2009 at 2:01 am
    Russia says global warming is bullpoo. We`re heading for an ice age. Do not question Russia`s supreme authority over reality, mortals.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 2:37 am
    Odeed, I award you no points.
  141. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 2:50 am
    "Odeed, I award you no points."

    Hahaha, I liked it... Also, well done at proving my point about the contention between the two sides.

  142. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 2:59 am
    Also, reading back, that was a little incoherent. I`ll surmise:

    The start of the warming is extremely iffy, it doesn`t, however, have any connection with the industrial age.

    There is no evidence that CO2 has warmed the planet in the past, there is causation, however, Warmth causes CO2.

    CO2 is not a potent Greenhouse Gas, at all.

    The earth is cooling.

    The Hockey-Stick graph is based off one variable, the others point to a much milder warming.

    In other words, CO2 shouldn`t warm the earth, never has, and there is not evidence that it is doing so now.


  143. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 3:04 am
    Also, Al Gore`s estimates of water rise assume that the poles will melt completely.... Do you know how much warming that would take? East antarctica is so far below zero, the temperature would have to rise more than 10 degrees.... and here`s the twist, the more the temperature rises, the more the ice grows, evaporation increases humidity.
  144. Profile photo of odeed
    odeed Male 18-29
    453 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 3:10 am
    So in summation almightybob1, you`re wrong.
  145. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    December 10, 2009 at 3:14 am
    Also, well done at proving my point about the contention between the two sides.

    Sigh.

    I posted that because it`s an accurate assessment of your idea of the peer review process. From your description, you don`t know how peer review works. You don`t take your research to your boss or a coworker and say "peer review this please". You submit it to a scientific journal,of which there are hundreds, in every field. These journals are not government-owned or sponsored. When the paper is published, everyone involved in that field is able to review your work and provide feedback, criticism or praise as appropriate.

    Peer review is an incredibly robust testing system, and has given us all the modern science you take for granted every day.

    Show some respect for what generations of humanity`s greatest minds have achieved, rather than swiping it all aside with some infantile implication that scientists sell their souls to the highest bidder.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 3:19 am
    The earth is cooling.

    Davy`s post:

    Here`s a few facts for ya. Facts, mind.

    4. Eleven of the twelve years in the period (1995-2006) rank among the top 12 warmest years in the instrumental record.

    That is not a cooling trend.

    You`re not even reading the counter-arguments, you`re just spewing inane babble from the soapbox in your mind.
    It`s only 11am and you`ve already filled my crap-meter for the day. I`m done.

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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 3:23 am
    almightybob1, point accepted, I wasn`t trying to suggest that science isn`t one of the noblest professions on earth. It also isn`t all scientists who face this problem.... However, don`t be naive, observe what happens to anyone who speaks out publicly against the consensus.
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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 3:31 am
    look at these they sum up some of my points in much more depth.
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 4:40 am
    bottom line, humans are part of a delicate system. destroy the system....
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 5:34 am
    Unless you have a PHD in a related subject, I think I`m going to keep ignoring the inane babble that passes for a discussion around here.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 6:05 am
    Funky thing is, I do, Waffle.

    Anyways, back at odeed... nice link there to Warren Meyer`s presentation. Took me a while to track him down (I was wondering why I hadn`t heard of him).

    Turns out his credentials for being a scientific expert on climate change are as follows:

    1) He`s proprieter of a blog called Climate-skeptic.com.
    2) His only postgraduate qualification is an MBA from Harvard Business School. His pre-grad was mechanical engineering.
    3) He wrote a self-published book called "A Skeptical Layman’s Guide to Anthropogenic Global Warming.”. Key word there. Layman.
    4) Best I can tell, his only original research was carried out by him and his 9-year old son, driving around Pheonix with a thermometer.

    Now, you`ll understand if I choose to listen instead to the tens of thousands of qualified professional scientists in the field of atmospheric science who say that global warming is both real and anthropogenic over the guy with an MBA and a blog.

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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 9:36 am
    math fail
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    norton75 Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2009 at 11:55 am
    Odeed
    Very good and informative post. The only problem is that it is a bit to complicated for the liberal drones to comprehend.
    What they need is a lobotomy.
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    norton75 Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    Speaking of scientist. I have worked with quite a few of them, and one thing they rarely do is admit that they are wrong.
    It is much easier for them to expand their hypothesis and discount any rational other than their own. A tame dog never bites the hand that feeds them, in this case a govrnment(s) that have a sole agenda of taxing you to death.
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    moonperyie Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 12:19 pm
    So only about 26% if the people who watch fox news believe that global warming is not a lie?

    That proves it. People who watch this news are really retarded.

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    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 12:41 pm
    We humans will likely not address this issue as a whole unless the world ends next year. This is just how it all works. We humans as a race are still quite dumb. The brighter ones can present as many facts, theories, and reports, but it usually fails to convince those with little understanding of our world(or the will to understand).

    It is right to be skeptical about anything. However, the right to present one`s skepticism goes to those with equal education, practical experience, and intellectual competence as the hundreds of scientists that constantly research on this matter.

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    norton75 Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm
    Snoopdawg the number is in the thousands not hundreds, It sounds as if you do not believe in free speech, you are already in comrade Obummers camp.
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    MrHyde Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    @Norton, I`m not going to waste my time on someone as dumb as you especially since you`re probably a troll.
    @SnoopDawgg, I agree.

    So, instead of replying with real information to your fallacious, hateful and ignorant posts; I`m going to post a picture of an adorable kitten, something the world will be without if people like you stay on your track.


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    Loveabye Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    @MrHyde: You`re the best. That is the best argument stopper, right there.
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    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
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    December 10, 2009 at 2:33 pm
    @davymid

    Davy, just because there happens to be a warming trend now does not solidify that Humans are the reason WHY there`s a warming trend.

    Again, I point to past temperature records that show that the earth`s climate changes constantly. Just because there was a long period of warming in the medieval warm period, does not prove that lack of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide were the reason it was warmer in that time.

    And the little ice age that took place after the medieval warming period does not prove that lack of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide made it cooler.

    I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again, the earth`s climate is always changing, and I will personally eat my shoe if the climate doesn`t begin to change again in the next 50 or so years.

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    squirebag Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    take that MRHYDE

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    norton75 Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    MrHyde You will not waste your time because you know you are wrong.
    Please give some facts to counter or you will sound like just another whining liberal.
    You already sound like another Obummer drone.
    Hope and change what a bunch of bs.
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    norton75 Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    Cats are a females pet anyway.
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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 5:14 pm
    "1) He`s proprieter of a blog called Climate-skeptic.com.
    2) His only postgraduate qualification is an MBA from Harvard Business School. His pre-grad was mechanical engineering.
    3) He wrote a self-published book called "A Skeptical Layman’s Guide to Anthropogenic Global Warming.”. Key word there. Layman.
    4) Best I can tell, his only original research was carried out by him and his 9-year old son, driving around Pheonix with a thermometer."

    He uses research of others, come on, I thought you`d know better than that Ad-hominem attack, Davy. He freely admits that he has no climate-science qualification, however, who was awarded the nobel peace prize? Tell me about his qualifications... Base your attacks off the evidence that they present (unless it is isn`t sourced), rather than qualification.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    I thought you`d know better than that Ad-hominem attack, Davy. He freely admits that he has no climate-science qualification... Base your attacks off the evidence that they present... rather than qualification.

    Odeed, I`d hardly call it an Ad Hominem attack to call into question someone`s professional qualifications. Science, as you know, is made up of two parts: Data and critical analysis of those data. Sure, Mr. Meyer has the data, as we all do. However his critical analysis is that of a layman, who best I can tell, has had not so much as a single day`s professional training or qualification in atmospheric science.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    Again, forgive me for sounding arrogant if I first question someone`s professional qualifications in their claimed field of expertise. He`s a mechanical engineer with a business degree. If that speaks to you over the voice of consensus among the scientific community, then that`s your prerogative.

    Until then, I reserve the right to treat Mr. Meyer with with the same disdain that I normally reserve for people like Ken Ham or Kent Hovind when they espouse Evolution as being a lie. Or for that matter a crystal-waving alternative medicine practitioner who diagnoses and treats my disease without so much as a single day`s professional medical training.

    Also, while we`re on the subject of Ad Hominem attacks, why is Obama slated on every comment on this thread which denies anthropogenic climate change, when the subject is clearly nothing to do with the man?

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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    Ok, here`s a question for you, Davy; did Al Gore deserve his Nobel Peace Prize?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 8:06 pm
    odeed, you and I both know that the Nobel Peace Prize is like the Oscars. It has sweet f*ck all to do with actual achievements. Nice attempt at derailing the train, but I refuse to be sidelined into a political argument about what is a fundamentally scientific issue.

    Anyways, we`re talking about climate change, you`re talking about Al Gore and Barack Obama. What`s your point, caller?

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    I said it before in response to Baal, but I`ll reiterate it:

    Science is not a democracy. It is a meritocracy. Not everyone`s opinion is equally valid. An evolutionary biologist has no place commenting on the physics of the Big Bang, and vice versa a theoretical physicist has no place commenting on the intricacies of the process of evolution.
    We have experts for a reason.

    What all scientists CAN comment on are the fundamentals of science - skepticism of claims until they have met the burden of proof, rigour, reproducibility, peer review etc etc.
    When these fundamentals have been applied in a field other than the scientist`s own, they can be confident that the theory is sound, because the scientific process is robust.

    That is why we can accept theories from other branches of science we may not personally have great knowledge of.
    What we DON`T get to do is presume to know more than the experts in that field about their own specialty.

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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    "odeed, you and I both know that the Nobel Peace Prize is like the Oscars. It has sweet f*ck all to do with actual achievements. Nice attempt at derailing the train, but I refuse to be sidelined into a political argument about what is a fundamentally scientific issue."

    I have not once mentioned Barack, he really has nothing to do with the problem, at all.

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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    almightybob1, I understand your position... However, the IPCC is a fiercely political orginization, it has no place at all within science. If we actually look at facts, real facts, that we have known for many years, coupled with science`s awful record of band-wagon jumping, one has to question the motives of these groups.
    All I ask, really, is for a proper debate, one where scientists aren`t terrified of speaking out, for fear of their job security. However, I`m afraid that we`re too far-gone, governments have bullied each other into such a flimsy concept, Billions will be be spent to no effect.
    Worse still, third world countries are going to be forced into accepting `green-energies` even though most people don`t have access to electric light.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 8:54 pm
    I have not once mentioned Barack, he really has nothing to do with the problem, at all.

    Sorry, I read this:

    however, who was awarded the nobel peace prize? Tell me about his qualifications...

    Forgive me for assuming you were talking about Barack Obama.

    Anyway, this thread is dead. See you on the next debate, odeed. Next time around, bring an actual qualified, peer-reviewed, professional scientist as your backup, rather than some dude with a blog. Then I`ll be more inclined to take you seriously.

    Until then, I`m very sincerely yours,
    Davymid.

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    odeed Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    Yeah, I`m not coming back here, also, I was talking about Al Gore when I referred to the Nobel Peace prize, sorry. Also, back at you Davy, next time bring some evidence with you, and we can have a proper debate, cool?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    odeed, glad to. However, I won`t spoon-feed you evidence. You can do that for yourself, by reviewing the scientific peer-reviewed literature on the topic. There are literally thousands of them, published and reviewed by people that are (frankly) smarter than both you and me.

    Again, not meaning to sound like a dick, you`re obviously an intelligent guy, but I refuse to spoon-feed you evidence for anthropogenic global warming in the same way I refuse to spoon-feed so-called "young earth creationists" evidence for evolution.

    Do your own research, mate. It`s not that difficult. Burden of Proof is not a scientific principle that we scientists take lightly.

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    DrkAng3LxNat Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    Fox News is such BS lol
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    Keitarohusky Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2009 at 10:03 pm
    Ven diagram maybe?
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2009 at 11:43 pm
    is it bad that i had to use a calculator to find out that this is 120, eets basic maths...
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    imitchy Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2009 at 12:01 am
    Lol vorpalsword, I had to use one too.
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    adam432823 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2009 at 12:48 am
    Actually no, because probably somewhere in your brain it refused to believe that someone could drat up that bad and forced you to use a calculator to prove it. What`s sad is that Fox needs to use a calculator.
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    neojester12 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    Congrats.

    Both of you know more than everything there could possibly be to know about Global Warming, while having your heads so far up your own asses that not one of either of your posts refers to the topic referenced in the original post.

    *Golf Clap*

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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    Fox mathematicians are just way ahead the rest of us
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    scotharvath Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    i don`t know if anyone`s told you guys this yet, but that really is what the percentages are according to rasmussen, so it`s kinda the rasmussen mathematicians who aren`t doing to well, not fox.

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